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educated and underemployed you got fed in here

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you might have noticed we now have a theme song

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here on the podcast and I want to thank Sloan

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Brothers for setting that up you'll remember

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I had Sloan Simpson on the podcast a couple months

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back and he was gracious enough to record that

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for us so check his music out check out Sloan

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Brothers on Spotify there's a link in the description

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And this is the first of my series that I recorded

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at AthFest in Athens, Georgia. Now today we've

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got my interview with artist Frances Thrasher.

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Frances Thrasher is most known for her album

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cover for Patterson Hood's latest record, Exploding

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Trees and Airplane Screams. She also directed

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the music video for the song The Pool House.

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and created the tour poster for Patterson's last

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solo tour, which I did happen to catch and was

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a fantastic show. Highly recommend that album.

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Frances has been published in both the Odyssey

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and the Iliad News Magazine, literary art magazines,

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multiple times. She's had her work on display

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at many different exhibitions. Going back the

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last five years, she's been active. She's also

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done a little bit of acting here and there. And

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also did a music video for the band Jucifer.

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And they are the inspiration for the Oscar -nominated

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film Sound of Metal. So check that out. She was

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in a music video for the band Monsoon. She's

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done workshops at SCAD and at Columbia. is a

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very talented young artist, so keep an eye on

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her future work. We did talk about AthFest, too.

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AthFest is a music festival I've been going to

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for several years now, and it's a festival that

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is a combination free outdoor festival during

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the day, and then in the evening into the late

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night, it turns into a club crawl that you buy

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a wristband for at a very reasonable price. You

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buy a wristband. And it gets you into clubs all

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around downtown Athens. Full of amazing bands

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playing all night. You can't possibly see everybody

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you want to see, as with most festivals. And

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they have all kinds of music. They have everything

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from hip -hop, Americana, rock and roll. They

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have a gospel brunch. There's jazz. There's reggae.

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It was heavy rock. There was all kinds of music

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there. The other thing that's important to know

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is that all the money raised for AthFest goes

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to grants that fund arts and music education

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in the Athens area. Now, Frances did not have

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any recollection of anything that she's done

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being funded by a grant, but her high school

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teacher, her high school art teacher, did just

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receive and AthFest Grant to improve her class.

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And we've already had a couple of art teachers,

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music teachers in particular, on the show. Make

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sure you hit the subscribe button, because the

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other interviews I've got coming up, I talked

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to Jen Bryant, who is the Drive -By Truckers

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webmaster, but was also a board member for AthFest

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for several years. I interviewed members of Slightly

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Famous Somebodies. Kane Stanley, Valor Trucks,

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Jonathan Spencer, Laura Slade Wiggins. So back

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to Frances Thrasher. I think she was maybe a

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little bit nervous. I think this was the first

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podcast she'd ever been interviewed for. I think

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she was nervous at first, but about two to three

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minutes in, she really settles into it. And I

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think she gave a really great interview. And

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it was really interesting to hear the perspective

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of somebody that... was so young and early on,

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but also had found their voice and kind of their

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medium, or at least one they were really comfortable

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in at such a young age. So I think it's a really

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awesome talk. I hope you enjoy it. I'm here with

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visual artist Francis Thrasher, and I'm going

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to modify the question I've been asking a lot

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of people first, but because you're a visual

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artist and not, and maybe you are, but not so

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much of a songwriter or a musician. What is the

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first piece of art that you remember like really

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grabbing you as like a child? Okay, that's a

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hard question. But I was always just making anything

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at home, painting -wise, like little sculptures

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if I wanted, I don't know, something that I couldn't

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buy. But I think I finally started thinking that

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my work with art was when I was like a freshman

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in high school and I was developing my style.

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And I realized, okay, this is something that

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I haven't, seen before and I'm liking where it's

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going so I don't think there is a specific piece

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but the first time I started doing portraits

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I think was when I was like okay this is what

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I am really into doing okay okay I think you

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jumped ahead a little bit of what I'm asking

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and that's totally cool that's I was going to

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ask that basically next but like I'm talking

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about other people's art Oh, other people's eyes.

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Yeah, so the first question I've been asking

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musicians is, like, what's the first song that

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they remember? Oh, okay. And being inquisitive

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about. And so similarly, like, what's the first,

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like, painting, statue, photograph that you,

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like, that really sticks? And it might not be

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the first, but the first one you remember now.

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Right, okay. It did give me a lot to go on and

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go in that answer. So I'm going to follow up

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on all that. That is also hard. I do. I always

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loved Monet. I remember when I was really little,

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I like, my family took me to a gallery. I think

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it was maybe in New York, I think in New York,

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but I saw, I don't remember the exact painting,

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but I saw a Monet painting and I just ran right

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towards it trying to touch it and it scared me

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so bad. But I think I knew, I was like, okay,

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this is something I need to get my hands on and

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get my hands on some oil paintings. So you, you

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started with... paint than when you were like

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really and it sounded like you started by imitating

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a lot of other people's art things you wanted

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to have your own copy of yeah can you talk a

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little bit more about some of the earliest pieces

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you you remember imitating yeah it was mostly

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like this was when i was like in elementary school

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i was just yeah i was seeing like i guess not

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necessarily toys but collect collectible figures

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i was like i really want that so i was like making

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them out of clay and doing things with fabric,

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making little sets and stuff. And then that developed

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more into me making other sculptures. So I'm

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a painter, but I do still have that childlike

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wanting to create things that are tangible and

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I can actually move around and stuff. I'm a terrible

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painter, but that's actually what I spent my

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birthday doing with a friend. We did one of those

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step -by -step YouTube video kind of things.

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it looked like a five -year -old and i was still

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like happy i was still fine it was still like

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great to get into that creative space yeah even

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if it's not what you excel at right so i totally

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can relate to that but i guess what kind of switched

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for you and when do you remember like what kind

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of made you go okay i'm gonna stop imitating

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other people's stuff not even when you started

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considering yourself like an artist and found

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your like medium and style but when were you

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like all right i'm gonna make my own stuff instead

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of making a copy of this other thing or trying

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to because i think that's a really i think i

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mean if you think about what musicians do they

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start by covering other people's music like and

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it's weird with comedy because like comedy If

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you go up there and tell somebody else's jokes,

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that's your one -way ticket out of getting another

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show. But almost every other art form, it's pretty

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accepted that's the beginning. So what switched

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where you were like, okay, I'm going to make

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my own stuff? Back to what I was saying about

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right before Corona hit, it was I think 2019,

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and I started doing portraits of just anyone,

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like random people I knew, if not. people I like

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saw on Instagram or something. And it came from

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that, like me wanting to draw clothes that I

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liked or something like that. So similar to where

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I was like doing other things that other people

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have done. I was like, I want to, I don't know,

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make a style with these people's faces and what

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they're wearing. And then that ended up just

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developing more of how I found how to do my own

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style wise with pen and watercolor and stuff.

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So were you, at that point looking at other portrait

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artists and other watercolor and colored pencil

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and painters were you looking at them to try

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and find what you liked and didn't like about

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their styles or was your style like purely like

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it came out of me and of course there's influences

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yeah yeah but was it a conscious thing I guess

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is my question I think I actually I when I was

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developing my style I was trying to do things

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that other people have done and I realized okay

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this isn't working And I was like, I just want

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to do whatever's easiest for me. And that ended

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up being what was, I don't know, was my style.

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It was, I feel like something about doing my

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own work was definitely easier than trying to

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do something else that someone has already done.

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Once, I hear that over and over again from pretty

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much every artist I've talked to on and off the

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podcast, right? And it's once they're able to

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be their authentic self in their art. Yeah. And

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sometimes that's... the obstacle for them, right?

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It's not that they don't realize that's the best

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way, but how were you able to just like pour

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yourself into it and open up that way? Yeah,

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I think so. I just started doing a lot of portraits

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of some people I knew and then some people who

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I just saw online and thought were pretty. And

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I did like this idea of... Beauty and like women

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so really only paint women I painted actually

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Patterson technically with my first male subject

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and that was him as a werewolf but Yeah, but

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so still that's technically the only man I painted

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and I just really like feminine beauty and doing

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things with Fashion and hair and accessories,

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but there's also a darkness. Yeah to your work

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exactly Can you talk a little bit about where

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that comes from? Yeah, because it sounds like

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it It's authentic. It's not something that you're

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like, okay, I'm going to make this dark. And

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I will say most artists I talk to talk about

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having some kind of a darkness. They have to

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get out. How did you find that? And I also know

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people that it takes them a lifetime to find

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it. You found it at a really young age. I think

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that's really, that's pretty unique in a lot

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of ways. You found your voice at a really young

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age. I think it was a mixture of me developing

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my style and finding okay this is what I want

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to do and then two months later it was locked

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down and I was forced to literally just be by

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myself with art and I was like not doing best

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as everyone else was during that time and I think

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that definitely pulled out a lot of negative

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feelings but with my art I was able to like channel

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them and then put them on the paper instead of

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dealing with them with myself so I was using

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my paintings as a way to handle all the issues

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that were going on. And sometimes I don't even

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mean for them to be that dark. And then I finish

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and I'm like, oh, okay. A little too much. So

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you really, do you think like the isolation of

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COVID and everything like that was a large contributing

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factor to kind of the dark? lens that goes over

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some of your work? Yes for sure because before

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it hit I was still just developing my style and

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then during those like two years I think it was

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just the only thing I could do and it was really

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helping and I would just be in my room all day

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dealing with my own emotions and the only thing

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I could help to ease them was to draw something

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a little scary. Maybe a little cute at the same

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time. Yeah, one thing that a lot of artists I've

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talked to have said, and I'm using that in the

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broadest sense, is that if it doesn't come out

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in their art, it's going to come out in a destructive

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way. Exactly, I feel the same way, yeah. Were

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you able to stay ahead of that, or did you struggle

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with some things and then you found solace in

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your art? Yeah, it definitely was... a rocky

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time and I think it was for everybody because

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of like just getting used to being alone for

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long periods of time and it definitely wasn't

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easy. I think during corona I, yeah I struggled

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a lot but I think it did eventually help me like

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realize okay there's other better ways to deal

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with this stuff than taking it out on myself.

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I realized that, okay, I can put this on paper

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and it will end up making something positive.

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Yeah. So do you think that you've always had

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some of that internal struggle, darkness? Do

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you think a lot of it really came from the external

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factors that were going on in the world while

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you were developing your style or some combination

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of both? Yeah, definitely a combination of both.

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I was, I don't know, I feel like... before when

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I really started it's hard to see like before

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after corona because I really started during

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that time period when I made my whole first body

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of work but I don't know I definitely had a darkness

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before then that I had no escape with I had nothing

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to do anything like it was just building up I

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it wasn't it's not good to let things build up

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yeah so I think when I found that okay this is

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the best solution to how to get rid of these

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emotions and I was like It's the only possible

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way to get rid of that. So I've talked to a lot

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of people that have a similar, some of it, sometimes

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it's a little more internal. Sometimes it's a

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little more external. Like Jay Gonzalez, for

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instance, had a very stable upbringing. I think

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his parents stayed together, like their whole

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everything. And he really didn't have any struggles.

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externally growing up there wasn't a pandemic

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when he was a kid his family believed in what

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he wanted to do but he did have like internal

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things right anxiety and i guess where i'm going

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with this is do you think that do you think that

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like you would have had do you think it would

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have become like found that outlet without the

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external thing and i know it's so hard to separate

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like covid from just like your existence yeah

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at some point just because of the time they my

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daughter isn't she just turned it so she's not

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much she's she was is impacted by covid as like

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a lot of people in your age range where i had

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a world before covid that like i was able to

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like keep up with friends in better ways i had

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lived longer had coping skills for other things

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you know her whole world shut down during her

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like developmental years exactly and a lot of

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artists i've talked to almost found In a very

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aware way, COVID ended up being almost a blessing

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to their artistic abilities and finding either

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Roddy found himself again. I think Cole Taylor

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talks about how when you have the whole world

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shut down, it gives you the space to get that

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creative outlet. What would your take on all

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that? I feel like if it hadn't happened things

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would be completely different for everyone I

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think it did affect the way people act at least

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for the first year we got back to normal I definitely

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I've changed a lot since before and I think it

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does it definitely did give people like chance

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to like focus on themselves and do that internal

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healing and I don't know I guess just like realizing

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okay as humans we do have a lot of issues and

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there are things that we can't really help but

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there are things that we can do to make things

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better and not just dwell on the issues and I

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think that's how I spent that time I was just

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really focusing on myself and and I didn't even

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realize it but I was making my style and now

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it's made me to be the person I am today where

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I'm just continuously like if I have issues I'm

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like let me put this on the canvas let me think

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of some dark idea that will help me deal with

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this issue. I think when people say that everything

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happens for a reason, like, the people that say

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that, I think what they, whether they consciously

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mean this or not, what they really mean is, like,

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you have to make a reason for everything that

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happens. Exactly, yeah. And so, like, making

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the most of any situation that you put in. And

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it sounds like you were already on the path.

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You were really fortunate enough to be, like,

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finding your artistic outlet. Exactly. Like,

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it happened at a really, it happened at a crucial

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time, I guess. It was... starting of finding

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myself and then I was like everything was put

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on pause and I was like okay what else can I

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do and I realized like the only thing I really

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wanted to do was be in my room all day and paint

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and create these ideas that I hadn't seen before

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and stuff like that why do you think that is

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and this kind of goes back to what I was asking

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you earlier is like where do you think that darkness

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or whatever comes from if it's not just the COVID

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if it existed before that and another one of

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me presumptuous but it seems like you had a pretty

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stable upbringing and everything like that but

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so where do you feel you struggle with like anxiety

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and depression yeah yeah I do I do a lot with

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both of those things yeah and I feel like Many

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humans do have one or the other or both or a

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mixture of just a whole lot of stuff. I don't

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think anyone's necessarily sane. Normal is just

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average. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know. I

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think everyone has that darkness in them, and

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I think it just takes a way to dealing with it

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if it's positive or negative, and most of the

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time in this world it's become negative. So with

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art and music, it's a really good way to challenge

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those inner... hatred or inner feelings of just

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not being good enough or anything like stability

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and relationships and I think that like music

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and art like just really show like that there's

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light in this darkness that you can create because

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if someone's just happy all the time and doing

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good they're not going to be able to like make

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really good art they probably can but it's not

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going to be as emotional I've at least heard

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that it's a lot harder. Yeah. Even if you are

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happy, it's harder to be artistic in that frame

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of mind. So let's go back. Speaking of music,

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I'm going to ask you the question I've asked

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everybody else. What's the first, and I'm assuming

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that you love music. You were raised in a very

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musical upbringing at City. Yes. What's the first

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song that you remember hearing and loving and

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being inquisitive about and be like, who's this?

00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:10.259
I want to know more about this. There was a lot.

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That is really hard because as a kid, I definitely

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just listened to the music my dad would play.

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And I don't know, there's just so many good records

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that he would put on in the morning that definitely

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are nostalgic to me now, like Beach Boys or Beatles,

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like old classic bands. But I don't know, I always

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just really liked any type of music. Like I don't

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have, I don't know, anything like really that

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has a good like... meaning or like a good sound.

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I just, I enjoy it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

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to me, there's two kinds of music. Yeah. Good

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music and bad music. Yes. Yeah. Like there's

00:20:49.869 --> 00:20:51.950
not, like genre doesn't really matter. Yeah,

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exactly. What was your first concert? Oh, okay.

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My first concert actually was at the Classic

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Center here in Athens and it was Alabama Shakes.

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Yeah. And that was really exciting for me because

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I did really love, I loved them growing up and

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Having that be my first concert was definitely

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amazing. I love them. Yeah, they're so good.

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I saw them open for the truckers. Oh, wow, yeah.

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And actually on New Year's Eve with Booker T.

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Nice. And then six months later, I went to Birmingham

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to see the Alabama Shanks, and Patterson opened

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for them. Thanks. I was able to turn at that

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point. Yeah, they were definitely... amazing

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first concert to have. I'm happy to say that

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they were my first concert. They got back together.

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Have you heard? I did, yeah. It was so cool.

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I'm excited. Me too. I like Britney's solo records,

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but I'm really excited to hear what they've got

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next. Are you musically inclined or inquisitive?

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Do you play instruments on your own, or do you

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like to sing or anything like that? No, I just

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love listening to music, and I think that I have

00:22:00.750 --> 00:22:04.109
to keep, I've just, I've never been a very musical

00:22:04.109 --> 00:22:07.490
making person. I tried learning multiple instruments

00:22:07.490 --> 00:22:09.769
and it never really clicked. And I think that

00:22:09.769 --> 00:22:12.730
was maybe because people have what they're good

00:22:12.730 --> 00:22:14.849
at. I think you can also practice and that will

00:22:14.849 --> 00:22:17.309
make things better. Like I definitely was not

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like good at drawing when I started. So it takes

00:22:20.250 --> 00:22:22.130
a lot of practice. You have to want to practice.

00:22:22.269 --> 00:22:23.990
Exactly. Yeah. And I think that was my issue.

00:22:24.029 --> 00:22:26.759
Like I was like. I don't have a wanting to make

00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:29.339
music, but I have a wanting to create some imagery

00:22:29.339 --> 00:22:33.539
or something that is still showing emotion. But,

00:22:33.539 --> 00:22:35.779
yeah, I wish I could make music. It seems so

00:22:35.779 --> 00:22:38.680
fun. But at this point in time, I'm sick of painting.

00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:43.160
Yeah, yeah. I'm a karaoke singer. Yeah. But I

00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:45.119
joke that, like, all comedians are wannabe rock

00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.559
stars. And most songwriters, like, wish they

00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:51.400
were comedians. Exactly. Like, I'm pretty sure

00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:54.039
Mike Cooley wishes he was Dean Statham sometimes.

00:22:54.259 --> 00:22:57.240
But he's so meticulous about his words. Exactly.

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He would only do 10 minutes, and that would be

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it. Yeah. I know. Everyone should try something.

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At least once. So it's music, comedian, or art.

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How much do you think growing up in an environment

00:23:10.900 --> 00:23:15.359
where art was being fostered, assuming that nobody

00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.940
was like, you need to come out of your room and

00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:22.119
stop drawing so much. Yeah. So you had a really

00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:26.579
positive environment to foster that kind of growth

00:23:26.579 --> 00:23:29.700
in. What would you have done if you didn't? Yeah,

00:23:29.779 --> 00:23:31.759
that would have been, I can't even imagine that.

00:23:31.859 --> 00:23:33.339
Would you have been like rebellious about it?

00:23:33.740 --> 00:23:35.819
Definitely, because I can't, I literally can't

00:23:35.819 --> 00:23:38.559
see myself doing anything else besides painting.

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And it's hard because when it comes to thinking

00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:42.880
about my career, I still haven't gotten there

00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:46.299
yet. So that's a whole nother chapter. But yeah,

00:23:46.460 --> 00:23:49.660
if I hadn't, like I had so much support, like

00:23:49.660 --> 00:23:52.140
in this, like growing up being like, yes, you

00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:54.480
can do art. You can like find a way to make this

00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:56.839
a job. And I think having that is just really

00:23:56.839 --> 00:23:59.279
nice because. No one's in your ear being like,

00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:01.359
there's still people in your ear, but no one's

00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:02.839
really being like, no, this won't work. You'd

00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:05.880
be broke and stuff like that. But I feel like

00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:08.859
if you have the ability and the wanting to make

00:24:08.859 --> 00:24:11.299
it into something, I think it's possible and

00:24:11.299 --> 00:24:14.660
anything. Somebody, I'm trying to remember who

00:24:14.660 --> 00:24:17.099
said it, but somebody on here was like, if you

00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:19.599
give yourself a backup plan, like you're absolutely

00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:21.940
going to do that. Yeah. Don't give yourself a

00:24:21.940 --> 00:24:23.660
backup plan. If you know what you want to do.

00:24:24.059 --> 00:24:26.240
Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Don't give yourself

00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:29.380
a backup plan. Yeah, exactly. Otherwise, you're

00:24:29.380 --> 00:24:31.099
going to go there. You're going to take that.

00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:33.960
Eventually, it's... Yeah, that makes sense. That

00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:36.079
makes a lot of sense. I think it was J. Roddy

00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:37.740
Walston, actually, that said that. I'm getting

00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:41.079
to the point now where they're starting to run

00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:44.140
together. And I'm getting like, oh, cool, the

00:24:44.140 --> 00:24:46.339
train's going by. The train's coming. I don't

00:24:46.339 --> 00:24:47.960
know if they'll even pick it up, to be honest

00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:50.759
with you. Because it's not going very fast. But

00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:54.400
there's a train going by. How much do you paint

00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:57.569
in here? Or draw in here at all? No, I just have

00:24:57.569 --> 00:25:00.609
had a show here, and then I am able to sell some

00:25:00.609 --> 00:25:03.450
of my prints, and that's just really nice because

00:25:03.450 --> 00:25:05.970
I'm alongside such other really great artists.

00:25:06.369 --> 00:25:10.190
That's Grant Britton's photo of the skateboarder,

00:25:10.269 --> 00:25:13.410
and then we got all Terry's work. That was a

00:25:13.410 --> 00:25:15.410
short trip. Yeah, it was very short. It was only

00:25:15.410 --> 00:25:18.390
like six cars. Yeah, they come through a lot.

00:25:18.549 --> 00:25:21.349
At least it didn't make a ton of noise. We heard

00:25:21.349 --> 00:25:23.960
you. Just kidding, yeah. I didn't make enough

00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:29.759
noise for you. That's funny. That's great. At

00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:32.079
least it got a little action. It's hilarious.

00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:35.940
I love that. It's too funny. I think the train

00:25:35.940 --> 00:25:38.220
is far enough away. Yeah, yeah, I think it is.

00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:42.619
So when did you decide, like, what was the final

00:25:42.619 --> 00:25:44.180
start where you're like, I'm not going to play

00:25:44.180 --> 00:25:47.279
music? This is something you tried. Yeah, I did

00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:49.599
try a lot. Like, growing up, it was pushed. Before

00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:51.599
I knew, like, painting and art was definitely

00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:54.529
what I was. wanting to put all my effort towards.

00:25:54.690 --> 00:25:58.890
I did try, I tried learning the piano, I tried

00:25:58.890 --> 00:26:02.549
learning the ukulele, the guitar, flute, and

00:26:02.549 --> 00:26:04.809
then none of those worked. And I think after,

00:26:04.849 --> 00:26:07.829
I did band in middle school, and that's when

00:26:07.829 --> 00:26:10.730
I tried to learn the flute, and I just realized

00:26:10.730 --> 00:26:14.289
this is not working. I have no wanting to, I

00:26:14.289 --> 00:26:16.710
guess, write music. And that was definitely,

00:26:16.849 --> 00:26:19.349
also I was young, and I wasn't really thinking

00:26:19.349 --> 00:26:21.920
about art as much. Than just as a fun little

00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:24.279
hobby. It's one of those things we take for granted.

00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:28.039
It's everywhere. All the time. And music is too.

00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:31.779
But we don't even think about. It's so abundant.

00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:37.380
From the graphic design of a commercial. And

00:26:37.380 --> 00:26:40.380
I don't necessarily want to call that art. But

00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:42.680
it was done by a graphic designer. And an artist.

00:26:42.859 --> 00:26:47.539
And maybe less these days. But my point is. It's

00:26:47.539 --> 00:26:48.920
one of those things we just take for granted.

00:26:48.980 --> 00:26:52.470
That it's there. Think about who made the flyer

00:26:52.470 --> 00:26:55.750
for that fest. Right, right. Who took the photo

00:26:55.750 --> 00:27:00.250
that's on the greatest hits album cover. Or whatever.

00:27:00.410 --> 00:27:02.930
We just take it for granted. Definitely. But

00:27:02.930 --> 00:27:04.930
one thing, like, Patterson has always talked

00:27:04.930 --> 00:27:07.569
about being important to him. I think, and I

00:27:07.569 --> 00:27:08.869
don't know if you've ever seen it, but there's

00:27:08.869 --> 00:27:11.230
a documentary that came out 15 years ago called

00:27:11.230 --> 00:27:13.269
The Secret to a Happy Ending. Okay, no, I haven't.

00:27:13.410 --> 00:27:16.089
And he talks about when he got into Led Zeppelin.

00:27:16.190 --> 00:27:18.730
I didn't get into Led Zeppelin because I heard

00:27:18.730 --> 00:27:20.630
it on the radio. I got into Led Zeppelin because

00:27:20.630 --> 00:27:23.289
I was in the record store and the art looked

00:27:23.289 --> 00:27:25.569
cool. And I took it home and it was fucking Led

00:27:25.569 --> 00:27:29.710
Zeppelin. And he's always put a lot of care into

00:27:29.710 --> 00:27:32.230
the artwork of his music. As a result, I think

00:27:32.230 --> 00:27:35.450
because of that, and also because he cares about

00:27:35.450 --> 00:27:38.730
the products he puts out as art, not just as

00:27:38.730 --> 00:27:41.609
a product. And I'm jumping ahead here a little

00:27:41.609 --> 00:27:43.289
bit, but I feel like it just came up naturally

00:27:43.289 --> 00:27:46.380
at this point and we can move all around. But

00:27:46.380 --> 00:27:49.940
can you just talk about how he approached you?

00:27:50.180 --> 00:27:52.660
Because I feel like there was part of it that

00:27:52.660 --> 00:27:55.460
you had already done and then part of it he commissioned.

00:27:55.619 --> 00:27:58.380
Is that right? Yes. Okay, so let's just, if you

00:27:58.380 --> 00:28:00.960
can just tell that story. Yeah, perfect. Okay,

00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:04.440
so the painting he picked for the album cover

00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:09.180
was one I did a very long time ago. It was during

00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:12.480
Corona when I did it. And it's actually so crazy,

00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:14.160
but this has only happened with this painting.

00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:16.579
During that time, I was watching a lot of Twin

00:28:16.579 --> 00:28:19.700
Peaks. Cool. Yeah, and I was really into that,

00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.920
and it was that night, and I was dreaming, and

00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.180
I had this weird dream that I was in the Twin

00:28:25.180 --> 00:28:27.240
Peaks kind of room, but everything was green,

00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:31.140
and it had these gold lights, and then I was

00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:33.859
like, weird, I really like this idea. And I'd

00:28:33.859 --> 00:28:36.119
never seen, like, I think the room's all red

00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.059
in Twin Peaks. Like, the floor might be black

00:28:38.059 --> 00:28:40.180
and white, but the curtains are red. So this

00:28:40.180 --> 00:28:42.119
room was completely all green, but it still had

00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:43.859
the long curtains, like, floor to ceiling. And

00:28:43.859 --> 00:28:45.539
I was like, I don't know why, but this is really

00:28:45.539 --> 00:28:49.519
speaking to me. And then I painted this painting,

00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:53.240
and I was also dealing with girl drama and growing

00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:56.619
up being petty. And I decided to do the knife

00:28:56.619 --> 00:29:00.460
in the head with the green curtains and background.

00:29:01.769 --> 00:29:03.369
I titled it, I think at the time it was like

00:29:03.369 --> 00:29:06.490
Death of a Soft Girl in the Dream World, something

00:29:06.490 --> 00:29:10.809
like that. And I remember at the time I posted

00:29:10.809 --> 00:29:12.730
on Instagram. I think that's where Patterson

00:29:12.730 --> 00:29:15.910
had seen it. And I think, I didn't know this

00:29:15.910 --> 00:29:17.630
at the time, but he had really connected with

00:29:17.630 --> 00:29:21.609
it. And this was like multiple years later, he

00:29:21.609 --> 00:29:23.170
I think reached out being like he wanted to buy

00:29:23.170 --> 00:29:24.829
it. And I was like, yeah, of course. But then

00:29:24.829 --> 00:29:28.190
it was one of the few paintings I didn't have

00:29:28.190 --> 00:29:32.289
in my solo show here. at the gallery and so i

00:29:32.289 --> 00:29:34.450
still had it and it was just kept away in a box

00:29:34.450 --> 00:29:37.829
and we pulled it out and he mentioned that he

00:29:37.829 --> 00:29:39.430
had been thinking about it for the past like

00:29:39.430 --> 00:29:42.230
three years and that he just really yeah he just

00:29:42.230 --> 00:29:44.569
really connected with it and that was like so

00:29:44.569 --> 00:29:46.250
meaningful because i don't know it's like something

00:29:46.250 --> 00:29:48.170
about the dream telling me to paint it and then

00:29:48.170 --> 00:29:50.109
having someone else really feel connected with

00:29:50.109 --> 00:29:52.809
it it was like special and i was like wow someone

00:29:52.809 --> 00:29:54.829
something was driving me to be like you need

00:29:54.829 --> 00:29:57.710
to make this painting because it opened up so

00:29:57.710 --> 00:30:00.490
much these nice opportunities and So then Patterson

00:30:00.490 --> 00:30:02.509
was like, I want to use that as an album cover.

00:30:02.630 --> 00:30:05.170
And I was like, please. I would love that. It's

00:30:05.170 --> 00:30:08.210
such an honor. And then after that, I created

00:30:08.210 --> 00:30:10.970
a music video for him. So that was commissioned.

00:30:11.009 --> 00:30:14.569
And a tour poster. So those two were commissioned.

00:30:14.650 --> 00:30:17.130
But then the album cover itself was made multiple

00:30:17.130 --> 00:30:19.690
years before. Man, that's the ultimate petty

00:30:19.690 --> 00:30:25.769
revenge. Right. Exactly. On an album cover. Really?

00:30:26.089 --> 00:30:29.039
I think about that. piece a lot you have the

00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:34.279
vinyl the 12 inch print print of it yeah is and

00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:36.140
that's part of what patterson has always cared

00:30:36.140 --> 00:30:38.819
about like making really nice like packaging

00:30:38.819 --> 00:30:42.559
for his record and so usually it was a very conscious

00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:46.500
decision for him to use i will say i have a few

00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:48.420
questions here i guess i'll start here when was

00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:51.650
the first time like you became aware of the drive

00:30:51.650 --> 00:30:54.109
-by truckers, Patterson Hood. Were you a fan?

00:30:54.309 --> 00:30:56.569
Did you, were you like going to their shows already?

00:30:56.650 --> 00:30:59.549
And then he reached out or was like, that was

00:30:59.549 --> 00:31:01.569
like your introduction to them? No. Yeah. That

00:31:01.569 --> 00:31:04.289
was not my introduction. I was really close growing

00:31:04.289 --> 00:31:07.750
up with Patterson's kid, Eli, and we were very

00:31:07.750 --> 00:31:10.710
close. I think we were in like a play group together

00:31:10.710 --> 00:31:13.009
with a ton of other babies. We didn't know each

00:31:13.009 --> 00:31:15.849
other. And so Patterson, I would go to their

00:31:15.849 --> 00:31:19.099
show with Eli and We'd be backstage playing with

00:31:19.099 --> 00:31:21.019
little toys, and they'd be on stage doing their

00:31:21.019 --> 00:31:25.140
thing. So I knew of Patterson for a while, and

00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:28.220
I think since they had moved to Portland, I just

00:31:28.220 --> 00:31:30.420
hadn't seen them in a long time, except when

00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:33.339
they come to visit. So it was a shock that it

00:31:33.339 --> 00:31:35.660
was like, oh, you're still thinking of this painting.

00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:38.259
I was like, wow, that's really meaningful. And

00:31:38.259 --> 00:31:40.859
so even though we weren't as close as we were

00:31:40.859 --> 00:31:43.480
when we were little, it was a really nice reconnection.

00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.930
Yeah, yeah. So you were aware of what, like,

00:31:46.970 --> 00:31:49.109
Westbury's work growing up? Yes, yes, yeah. Would

00:31:49.109 --> 00:31:51.269
you call him an influence, do you think? Definitely,

00:31:51.390 --> 00:31:54.529
100%. I remember being terrified of his work

00:31:54.529 --> 00:31:56.650
when I was little. I don't know why, but, like,

00:31:56.910 --> 00:31:59.369
how eerie everything was, I just always was drawn

00:31:59.369 --> 00:32:02.009
to it, but I was very creeped out, and I, like,

00:32:02.009 --> 00:32:05.150
liked that, like, I really am interested in this

00:32:05.150 --> 00:32:07.549
work, but it also gives me, like, a fear, like,

00:32:07.569 --> 00:32:09.430
a feeling of dread or, like, a feeling of, okay,

00:32:09.490 --> 00:32:11.589
this is, like, a dark, I don't know, atmosphere

00:32:11.589 --> 00:32:14.819
that he's created, so. Yeah, he's 100 % influenced

00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:18.559
me. I always loved his work growing up. Me too.

00:32:18.740 --> 00:32:22.180
Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I saw that. That was

00:32:22.180 --> 00:32:24.660
nice. Patterson's story about discovering Led

00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:27.119
Zeppelin as a kid is the same story I have about

00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:28.960
the drive -by truckers. I was working at a record

00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.859
store in the Dirty South. It was going to be

00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:33.539
on a listening club. They had a ton of promo

00:32:33.539 --> 00:32:36.180
copies. Oh, yeah. But they were the full artwork

00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:39.119
and everything. It was a CD at the time. I bought

00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.220
the record the day it came out. I took it home,

00:32:42.380 --> 00:32:45.779
and by the time Putting People on the Moon came

00:32:45.779 --> 00:32:47.880
on, which is the fourth song, I put it on repeat.

00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:50.599
Yeah. And, like, the next day, I came in and

00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:53.359
bought Decoration Day and Southern Rock Opera.

00:32:53.539 --> 00:32:55.920
And then two months later, they ran Yoshi, Gangstability,

00:32:56.180 --> 00:32:58.440
and... But it was the same thing. It was the

00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.660
artwork. The artwork, yeah. I was, like, the

00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:03.279
cover of the Dirty South. Similarly, it was...

00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:06.059
I was 18, and it was, like, just... This is,

00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.819
like, scary. Yeah. But I want to know why. Exactly.

00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.589
It's not, like... His work is very, it doesn't

00:33:12.589 --> 00:33:14.109
have anything that's necessarily very scary,

00:33:14.170 --> 00:33:16.069
but for some reason it's just his whole, the

00:33:16.069 --> 00:33:18.710
whole energy of the work was like an uneasy,

00:33:18.869 --> 00:33:21.549
but I want to explore this. So I really enjoyed

00:33:21.549 --> 00:33:24.970
that form of his work a lot. So what does it

00:33:24.970 --> 00:33:28.049
feel like to be in some ways like his spiritual

00:33:28.049 --> 00:33:33.089
successor in the sense of doing Patterson's artwork

00:33:33.089 --> 00:33:36.930
for his music? And how much do you... Did you

00:33:36.930 --> 00:33:39.470
like think about him when doing like the music,

00:33:39.529 --> 00:33:41.470
when you were doing the more, the commissioned

00:33:41.470 --> 00:33:43.589
work, the more intentional stuff? See, I think

00:33:43.589 --> 00:33:45.730
when it was actually commissioned and it wasn't

00:33:45.730 --> 00:33:47.289
something I'd done in the past, it was so much

00:33:47.289 --> 00:33:49.950
harder because I'm thinking about all the eyes

00:33:49.950 --> 00:33:52.630
that are so used to West Free and how much love

00:33:52.630 --> 00:33:55.990
that he has. And I, it was very difficult doing

00:33:55.990 --> 00:33:58.089
the poster because I was just thinking, okay,

00:33:58.150 --> 00:34:01.369
I need to make it my style, but I want it to

00:34:01.369 --> 00:34:03.490
be Patterson's vibe and I want it to like match

00:34:03.490 --> 00:34:06.680
his energy. And that is, it's just so hard to

00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.539
work with such high, those high expectations

00:34:08.539 --> 00:34:10.559
of how great like West Freed was in all those

00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:14.760
years of doing all the posters and album covers

00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.860
and stuff. So it was very stressful. I definitely,

00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.320
like with the commission stuff, that's where

00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:22.679
it got more stressful just because I. didn't

00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.400
want to let him down. I didn't want people to

00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:26.320
be like, oh, this isn't as, it's not, it's definitely

00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:28.739
not as good, but it's. I wouldn't say that. It's

00:34:28.739 --> 00:34:31.019
its own thing and it's amazing. Exactly. I wanted

00:34:31.019 --> 00:34:33.099
to try to make it its own thing. I've stared

00:34:33.099 --> 00:34:35.260
at it just as long as I've stared at some of

00:34:35.260 --> 00:34:37.920
his other pieces. So I wouldn't, it's really,

00:34:38.019 --> 00:34:40.239
as long as you make it its own thing. Exactly.

00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:42.320
It's not, it's comparing apples and oranges.

00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.599
Yeah. But I do think like, when I see it, what

00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:48.610
I don't see is like you. copying or even necessarily

00:34:48.610 --> 00:34:50.730
being influenced but almost like channeling some

00:34:50.730 --> 00:34:53.429
of his energy yeah and it's really interesting

00:34:53.429 --> 00:34:56.250
to me that album cover was drawn years before

00:34:56.250 --> 00:34:59.510
it was even like wes breed talks about in that

00:34:59.510 --> 00:35:02.090
same documentary about how it was like he was

00:35:02.090 --> 00:35:05.610
having conversations with the music wow so he

00:35:05.610 --> 00:35:08.210
would draw things that they that he didn't see

00:35:08.210 --> 00:35:11.309
what the band saw he would he would draw things

00:35:11.309 --> 00:35:13.510
that in the songs and hear things in the songs

00:35:13.510 --> 00:35:18.400
that they didn't hear yeah When you were doing

00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.639
the tour poster, were you just listening to the

00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:23.980
album on repeat? Yes. Were you trying to really

00:35:23.980 --> 00:35:27.000
interact with the music in that way? Yes, 100%.

00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.880
Because his, especially this album, is very just

00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.940
visually, it tells a story. And there's so many

00:35:34.940 --> 00:35:38.460
great things that I could have chosen to paint

00:35:38.460 --> 00:35:40.960
for. He had a few other ideas, like Pinocchio

00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:43.920
or the Volkswagen. And, like, both of those would

00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:45.900
have also been, like, really cool ideas. And

00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:47.500
I think we landed on the werewolf just because

00:35:47.500 --> 00:35:50.739
I guess it was supposed to be, like, it's very,

00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:52.920
I guess it's just a very big symbol of who he

00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.400
was trying to make. He's looking a little werewolfy.

00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.820
Yeah, a little werewolfy. And I like the style.

00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.920
It's very dark and, I don't know, just mysterious.

00:36:02.019 --> 00:36:05.079
So I think it worked. And the whole album just

00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:07.679
had so many, like. really good like visually

00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.039
pleasing things I could have done more with and

00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.539
stuff so it was easy to have that inspiration

00:36:12.539 --> 00:36:15.699
from the album it came easy but it was just like

00:36:15.699 --> 00:36:19.980
trying to make I guess it my own in a way that

00:36:19.980 --> 00:36:22.719
was also fitting Patterson's whole essence so

00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:26.139
that was where it was a little hard so if art

00:36:26.139 --> 00:36:29.320
is like one of your main stress reliever what

00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.679
do you do when your heart is things stressing

00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:34.190
you out that's where it's hard because it's the

00:36:34.190 --> 00:36:35.909
commission work that's stressful and obviously

00:36:35.909 --> 00:36:38.190
that's like work so you know it's gonna be it's

00:36:38.190 --> 00:36:40.969
not as easy as when i just get to paint like

00:36:40.969 --> 00:36:45.050
a girl but it is way more satisfying i feel like

00:36:45.050 --> 00:36:47.789
when i finally finish it so it has the grad like

00:36:47.789 --> 00:36:51.269
it feels it makes up for the stress because like

00:36:51.269 --> 00:36:53.670
the music video was also very stressful and only

00:36:53.670 --> 00:36:56.070
because i was like really anxious about wanting

00:36:56.070 --> 00:36:58.829
it to be perfect and i hadn't done stop motion

00:36:58.829 --> 00:37:02.650
in a long time so i was trying to do what i was

00:37:02.650 --> 00:37:05.570
doing and like during corona and that was years

00:37:05.570 --> 00:37:09.130
ago now so yeah it was reopening these like things

00:37:09.130 --> 00:37:12.050
I had closed but it was still so nice and I think

00:37:12.050 --> 00:37:15.250
it turned out better than I was expecting let's

00:37:15.250 --> 00:37:17.250
go back to corona for a minute what were some

00:37:17.250 --> 00:37:19.889
of your other coping mechanisms to try and get

00:37:19.889 --> 00:37:21.550
through it sounds like painting was the main

00:37:21.550 --> 00:37:23.969
one drawing but I'm sure that wasn't the only

00:37:23.969 --> 00:37:26.510
thing yeah like we're what were some of your

00:37:26.510 --> 00:37:28.610
other things that you did to get through it So

00:37:28.610 --> 00:37:30.829
back when I was little and making those little

00:37:30.829 --> 00:37:33.530
sets, I did little stop motions with my dad,

00:37:33.769 --> 00:37:36.309
and that was more just fun. We were doing Mr.

00:37:36.469 --> 00:37:38.630
Potato Head, spinning in a circle, and stuff

00:37:38.630 --> 00:37:41.110
like that. So then when Corona came and I was

00:37:41.110 --> 00:37:44.369
dealing with finding my own style, I don't remember

00:37:44.369 --> 00:37:49.230
how I got the idea, but I had this old dollhouse

00:37:49.230 --> 00:37:52.530
that was my aunt's when she was a kid, so it

00:37:52.530 --> 00:37:55.989
was a very Victorian -style mansion, and we had

00:37:55.989 --> 00:37:58.650
it growing up. I would play with it. with my

00:37:58.650 --> 00:38:02.150
dolls but I can't remember how I came to this

00:38:02.150 --> 00:38:04.369
conclusion but I was just thinking maybe I need

00:38:04.369 --> 00:38:06.030
to do something more than just painting so I

00:38:06.030 --> 00:38:08.449
started making my more clay dolls like I did

00:38:08.449 --> 00:38:11.550
when I was little and making sets in the dollhouse

00:38:11.550 --> 00:38:16.130
and then I just created a kind of just random

00:38:16.130 --> 00:38:20.079
stop motion to a Radiohead song. And I was like,

00:38:20.099 --> 00:38:22.059
okay, this is really fun. I like doing that.

00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.159
And I made, I think, three more during that time.

00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:27.920
And they progressively got more dark. They were

00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:32.000
definitely darker than my paintings. And I don't

00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:35.159
know. I think I was just definitely... struggling

00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.239
at that time and taking it out on these little

00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:40.159
dolls just helped. Making them murder each other?

00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:44.239
Yeah. I had one about this like crazy doll that

00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.139
was kidnapping people and dismembering them and

00:38:47.139 --> 00:38:49.739
I had my dad help me cut up Barbie heads and

00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:52.519
mount them on the walls of this dollhouse. So

00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.039
it's definitely a change from actually playing

00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:56.179
with the dolls in the dollhouse to cutting them

00:38:56.179 --> 00:38:58.059
up and putting them on the walls. That's a warning

00:38:58.059 --> 00:39:01.630
for other dolls. Exactly. Are those available?

00:39:01.849 --> 00:39:04.969
Yeah, those are all on YouTube and my website.

00:39:05.150 --> 00:39:07.210
So my YouTube is just Francis Thrasher, and then

00:39:07.210 --> 00:39:09.809
my website is Heaven for the Young with a number

00:39:09.809 --> 00:39:13.329
four. So as someone else who uses like a moniker,

00:39:13.409 --> 00:39:15.710
where did you come up with yours? Okay, yeah,

00:39:15.769 --> 00:39:18.809
that is also, I think it was early on before

00:39:18.809 --> 00:39:21.590
I even developed my style. I had created an Instagram

00:39:21.590 --> 00:39:25.329
just to document my sketches. And even if you

00:39:25.329 --> 00:39:27.150
are still on my Instagram, you can scroll down

00:39:27.150 --> 00:39:30.230
and see my first posts were. really simple just

00:39:30.230 --> 00:39:33.630
drawings about like basic things and i think

00:39:33.630 --> 00:39:36.010
that like i came up with the title before i even

00:39:36.010 --> 00:39:38.469
came up with my body of work and i was like i

00:39:38.469 --> 00:39:40.909
think i was young and i was dealing with a point

00:39:40.909 --> 00:39:43.349
of time like not knowing how i feel about religion

00:39:43.349 --> 00:39:48.130
and i think i just like the idea that like you

00:39:48.130 --> 00:39:51.010
can have heaven and be young like it doesn't

00:39:51.010 --> 00:39:52.369
have to be something that you're waiting for

00:39:52.369 --> 00:39:56.469
it can be in the moment And I realized I wanted

00:39:56.469 --> 00:39:59.409
to create a heavenly look to my work, especially

00:39:59.409 --> 00:40:00.929
at the time I was doing a lot more religious

00:40:00.929 --> 00:40:05.150
-related stuff. And I think I somehow just came

00:40:05.150 --> 00:40:07.309
across that, and since then I haven't thought

00:40:07.309 --> 00:40:09.510
of anything better, so I'm just keeping it. I

00:40:09.510 --> 00:40:11.070
mean, it's great that people know you by it.

00:40:11.070 --> 00:40:13.670
Yeah, yeah. Will you talk a little bit about

00:40:13.670 --> 00:40:15.610
some of the more religious work that you did

00:40:15.610 --> 00:40:19.250
in the past? Yeah, I did a lot mostly just related

00:40:19.250 --> 00:40:22.800
to my... like teenage like edgy yourself like

00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.679
girls in cemeteries or girls holding rosaries

00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:29.780
and crying and bibles yeah yeah so I did a lot

00:40:29.780 --> 00:40:31.900
of that at one point of time like in my beginning

00:40:31.900 --> 00:40:37.119
of corona era and I think I was mostly just baiting

00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.280
on what I felt it with religion because I grew

00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:42.980
up around like religious people but at the same

00:40:42.980 --> 00:40:44.820
time it wasn't forced and it wasn't didn't go

00:40:44.820 --> 00:40:47.460
to church or anything But I knew that there is

00:40:47.460 --> 00:40:49.840
some form of higher power. I definitely believe

00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:53.039
in some form of higher power. But the ideas of

00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:57.400
Christianity that was like, there's strict, I

00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:59.940
don't know, like borders to how to believe. And

00:40:59.940 --> 00:41:02.380
I didn't like that. So I think I was developing

00:41:02.380 --> 00:41:06.019
my own way of being spiritual. And I think the

00:41:06.019 --> 00:41:08.059
restrictions that some religions have, I was

00:41:08.059 --> 00:41:10.940
just doing a little bit of that, like how people

00:41:10.940 --> 00:41:14.440
bury their dead and how in other... countries

00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:16.639
that might not be normal and that there's other

00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:18.960
things that aren't as normal that have become

00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:22.019
normalized. So I think I was just dealing with

00:41:22.019 --> 00:41:25.440
a lot of confusion and just different feelings.

00:41:26.099 --> 00:41:29.820
Interesting. Thanks for sharing that. I was definitely

00:41:29.820 --> 00:41:35.280
curious about where's my income. So when you're

00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:39.340
drawing and painting, how much of it is basically

00:41:39.340 --> 00:41:43.489
something... that is totally about me or from

00:41:43.489 --> 00:41:46.389
inside or like how much is it about character

00:41:46.389 --> 00:41:51.949
or a person maybe a feud and I guess what I mean

00:41:51.949 --> 00:41:56.590
is like how much of it is I'm drawing a character

00:41:56.590 --> 00:41:59.130
even if it's a real person and how much of it

00:41:59.130 --> 00:42:01.809
is I'm imagining this thing that I'm drawing

00:42:01.809 --> 00:42:05.969
yeah I think I definitely come up with the idea

00:42:05.969 --> 00:42:09.769
first before I just have at it but I like to

00:42:09.769 --> 00:42:12.320
create a whole like when I first started I was

00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:14.400
just doing faces with white backgrounds and I

00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.679
think when I officially found my style was when

00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.519
I was creating scenes along with the portrait

00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.800
so I like incorporating different rooms or different

00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:26.360
plants or animals and I think that helped me

00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:30.119
like build I just something about building like

00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:31.559
a scene and I think that's the same with like

00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:33.340
building sets for the stop motions like I really

00:42:33.340 --> 00:42:36.789
like creating a whole scene that shows something

00:42:36.789 --> 00:42:39.269
like an emotion that's not just captured with

00:42:39.269 --> 00:42:42.250
just the person. And I like incorporating clothes

00:42:42.250 --> 00:42:45.809
as well, obviously. Yeah, so something about

00:42:45.809 --> 00:42:48.570
just a whole mixture of creating something nice.

00:42:49.469 --> 00:42:51.570
Let's just talk about growing up in Athens, Georgia

00:42:51.570 --> 00:42:53.210
for a little bit. This is one of my favorite

00:42:53.210 --> 00:42:55.369
cities in the world. Yeah. There's a reason I

00:42:55.369 --> 00:42:57.269
keep coming up here to do these interviews. It's

00:42:57.269 --> 00:43:02.349
like one of the most culturally abundant, especially

00:43:02.349 --> 00:43:06.960
like per capita, any city in America. Will you

00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:08.780
just tell people, like, what is it like growing

00:43:08.780 --> 00:43:11.219
up in a city like this? Yeah, it's definitely

00:43:11.219 --> 00:43:15.099
fun. I've been here my whole life, and I realize

00:43:15.099 --> 00:43:18.940
I haven't been away from Athens for more than

00:43:18.940 --> 00:43:23.400
two weeks ever, which is crazy. Wow. Yeah. And

00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:26.179
so it's my home, and at some point I want to

00:43:26.179 --> 00:43:29.840
leave, but it will be hard. Because I think with

00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:32.320
Athens, there is such an amazing community of

00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:34.820
all sorts of artists. And everyone understands

00:43:34.820 --> 00:43:37.800
that we're here and we're trying to make something

00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:40.980
of this town and create a very artistic form

00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:44.360
of how we all communicate and the community that

00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:47.019
is made here. And I think having things like

00:43:47.019 --> 00:43:51.059
AthBest or other protests and fairs or things

00:43:51.059 --> 00:43:53.300
downtown have just been really nice to build

00:43:53.300 --> 00:43:57.360
this community. I don't know. I wish I could

00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:01.280
be more involved with the music scene here, but

00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:04.480
I am a very big homebody, so it is hard for me.

00:44:04.820 --> 00:44:07.599
But growing up, I did go to a lot of shows downtown,

00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.079
which was, I guess, not the norm for most kids.

00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.159
And I think that did help me see that there is

00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:16.519
a big family involved with music and art. No

00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:18.960
matter what you're creating or what you do, that

00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:23.329
you're welcome, and I really like that. art community

00:44:23.329 --> 00:44:25.750
in like the broadest sense like really lifts

00:44:25.750 --> 00:44:29.650
each other up yeah yeah and i feel it like every

00:44:29.650 --> 00:44:31.909
time people i see people they are so nice and

00:44:31.909 --> 00:44:33.349
i'm like shocked when people like remember me

00:44:33.349 --> 00:44:36.150
and i'm like wow and it's just really nice to

00:44:36.150 --> 00:44:37.630
hear like good things from all these other really

00:44:37.630 --> 00:44:40.829
good artists here yeah you're an amazing artist

00:44:40.829 --> 00:44:43.750
i just want to like you belong with them like

00:44:43.750 --> 00:44:46.429
you're at home with them yeah i do feel don't

00:44:46.429 --> 00:44:50.190
yeah you should yeah don't don't ever but then

00:44:50.190 --> 00:44:52.949
make you feel like you don't belong. Yeah, you

00:44:52.949 --> 00:44:56.150
definitely do. And it's really nice because really

00:44:56.150 --> 00:44:58.869
no one does. Yeah, Athens is very, it's not like

00:44:58.869 --> 00:45:00.809
other art towns like, I don't know, like New

00:45:00.809 --> 00:45:02.670
York where people are very snooty and they're

00:45:02.670 --> 00:45:04.289
like, oh, that's not art or something like that

00:45:04.289 --> 00:45:07.030
because I think anything that has like good intentions

00:45:07.030 --> 00:45:09.289
or like, even if it's like bad intentions but

00:45:09.289 --> 00:45:12.090
in a good use of it, I don't know, like with

00:45:12.090 --> 00:45:14.630
negative. art that doesn't make sense like some

00:45:14.630 --> 00:45:17.269
people have very hard things to deal with and

00:45:17.269 --> 00:45:19.590
art is the way to create that and i think it's

00:45:19.590 --> 00:45:22.150
just nice that this community is here and everyone's

00:45:22.150 --> 00:45:23.949
just open to when everybody's thinking about

00:45:23.949 --> 00:45:25.969
that fact when they're looking at other people's

00:45:25.969 --> 00:45:28.449
art they're understanding that hey this person

00:45:28.449 --> 00:45:30.349
is putting themselves out there yeah exactly

00:45:30.349 --> 00:45:32.690
exactly it takes a lot to put yourself out there

00:45:32.690 --> 00:45:35.329
and especially with like new bands and new artists

00:45:35.329 --> 00:45:38.980
like i was like I was expecting it just to be

00:45:38.980 --> 00:45:41.420
a hobby for me, and then when I really started,

00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:43.460
I don't know, like, selling work and seeing that

00:45:43.460 --> 00:45:44.880
people, like, connected with it, and I was like,

00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:47.179
okay, maybe I can actually create something,

00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:49.039
and if I didn't have that feeling, I wouldn't

00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:51.380
be feeling this way. Like, it takes the support

00:45:51.380 --> 00:45:53.940
and, like, love from the community. Absolutely,

00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.320
absolutely. Especially, like, the times that

00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:59.099
you grew up here. Yeah, exactly. Those were your

00:45:59.099 --> 00:46:01.699
hard times. I think even when people had positive

00:46:01.699 --> 00:46:04.420
outcomes and experiences with some of what happened

00:46:04.420 --> 00:46:07.510
there, like... It was still far. Yeah, we still

00:46:07.510 --> 00:46:09.610
lost a lot of really good restaurants and people

00:46:09.610 --> 00:46:12.550
that had to move or leave or sadly passed away.

00:46:12.929 --> 00:46:15.849
Yeah, there was ups. It's all faced around like

00:46:15.849 --> 00:46:19.150
a medium of downs, ups and downs. And having

00:46:19.150 --> 00:46:22.710
a really great community. Yeah, yeah. So I'm

00:46:22.710 --> 00:46:25.429
here this weekend for Affest. Can you just talk

00:46:25.429 --> 00:46:27.670
to me about some of your memories with Affest

00:46:27.670 --> 00:46:30.670
as somebody who grew up here? Yes, I definitely

00:46:30.670 --> 00:46:34.590
love Affest. It's always... fun like when i was

00:46:34.590 --> 00:46:36.690
little like being able to just have a group of

00:46:36.690 --> 00:46:38.969
friends and just roam around like without really

00:46:38.969 --> 00:46:41.050
a word because i basically knew everyone i saw

00:46:41.050 --> 00:46:43.829
yeah yeah and it's just nice because everyone

00:46:43.829 --> 00:46:45.590
gets to come out like sell work if they have

00:46:45.590 --> 00:46:47.829
work or play music because it shows like there's

00:46:47.829 --> 00:46:50.730
stages for all sorts of bands so i think it's

00:46:50.730 --> 00:46:53.449
fun just to hop around and see the new bands

00:46:53.449 --> 00:46:56.449
and see the known bands on the main stage and

00:46:57.050 --> 00:46:59.489
yeah i think i actually was out of town last

00:46:59.489 --> 00:47:01.469
year so i missed it but i'm excited to go back

00:47:01.469 --> 00:47:03.750
down this year is there anybody you're like really

00:47:03.750 --> 00:47:06.030
excited to see this year i haven't actually looked

00:47:06.030 --> 00:47:09.210
at any of the side just know like maybe the main

00:47:09.210 --> 00:47:12.570
set and doesn't really catch my attention but

00:47:12.570 --> 00:47:15.150
yeah but i definitely want to go down see like

00:47:15.150 --> 00:47:18.969
the littler band other like people i know i usually

00:47:18.969 --> 00:47:21.610
save the last few minutes here to just talk to

00:47:21.610 --> 00:47:23.590
give you a place to talk about what you've been

00:47:23.590 --> 00:47:25.929
working on lately what you have coming out what

00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.519
you know, where people can find your work, you

00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:29.980
know, what kind of work you're open to, like

00:47:29.980 --> 00:47:32.079
if you're open to commissioning pieces. Yeah.

00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:34.699
And we can wait a second to let the train come

00:47:34.699 --> 00:47:37.880
by so, like, we make sure we capture this clearly.

00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.739
Yeah, normally it's not this many. It's a tiny

00:47:40.739 --> 00:47:46.300
one. It's on two cars. Or, no, three cars. They're

00:47:46.300 --> 00:47:48.900
going back. I saw the reflection. Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:50.780
I was like, wait a second. What am I seeing?

00:47:51.019 --> 00:47:53.500
Yeah, there's more than I was expecting to come

00:47:53.500 --> 00:47:55.780
by. Yeah, what have you got going on? What have

00:47:55.780 --> 00:47:58.699
you been working on? What kind of work are you

00:47:58.699 --> 00:48:03.559
working on and open to? Yeah, so I have been

00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:08.239
studying art at UNG in Oconee in Athens, or in

00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:12.179
Oconee, Georgia. And I have enjoyed that, like

00:48:12.179 --> 00:48:14.820
starting with figuring out my art major. But

00:48:14.820 --> 00:48:17.320
I'm going to try to apply to UGA because I want

00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:19.780
to get to Lamar Dodd and actually have a bigger

00:48:19.780 --> 00:48:22.900
community of people to work with. At this point

00:48:22.900 --> 00:48:25.139
in time, I'm mostly just working on my own. So

00:48:25.139 --> 00:48:26.860
you're going to art school? Yes, yeah. I want

00:48:26.860 --> 00:48:30.579
to be an artist. That is the goal. I wasn't sure

00:48:30.579 --> 00:48:33.679
if some artists, if they find their voice. One

00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:36.380
thing I'll say about you that's rare, and this

00:48:36.380 --> 00:48:39.920
goes for all mediums, whether it's comedy, finding

00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:44.260
your voice is the quintessential part of... And

00:48:44.260 --> 00:48:46.420
I think you're always going to be evolving it.

00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:49.820
Exactly. But being able to... Have this sense

00:48:49.820 --> 00:48:52.460
of self that you can put into your work that

00:48:52.460 --> 00:48:55.219
takes years for some artists decades. Some people

00:48:55.219 --> 00:48:57.780
never find it So you're like way out of the game

00:48:57.780 --> 00:48:59.179
there. I wouldn't you know, I wasn't even sure

00:48:59.179 --> 00:49:01.199
if you were gonna get ours I was like, yeah,

00:49:01.219 --> 00:49:04.539
because at some point like you They can't teach

00:49:04.539 --> 00:49:07.380
you. Yeah what your voice is, right? That being

00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:10.179
said like I think that's amazing and they're

00:49:10.179 --> 00:49:13.809
lucky to have I'm applying so fully And I've

00:49:13.809 --> 00:49:16.170
never taken actually a painting class or any

00:49:16.170 --> 00:49:18.190
sort of painting thing. So to actually be like

00:49:18.190 --> 00:49:20.389
in a painting classroom and have someone be like,

00:49:20.409 --> 00:49:22.110
this is the correct way to do things. This is

00:49:22.110 --> 00:49:24.550
how you should do things. It will be hard and

00:49:24.550 --> 00:49:26.610
I will have to get out of like my head of how

00:49:26.610 --> 00:49:28.710
I have taught myself to do like my painting.

00:49:28.809 --> 00:49:30.510
But I think that is something I need to learn.

00:49:30.690 --> 00:49:34.969
And I think that's how artists grow. Yeah, exactly.

00:49:35.289 --> 00:49:37.619
But I think like... Having that ability to have

00:49:37.619 --> 00:49:39.639
almost, like, that direct connection. And your

00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:41.699
art is going to grow as you grow as a person.

00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:43.739
Yeah. But you've already been able to create

00:49:43.739 --> 00:49:46.119
that channel from who you are to what your art

00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:49.440
is. And I'll be honest, I feel pretty lucky as

00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:51.500
a comedian. Like, I found my voice pretty quickly,

00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:54.619
too. But I also didn't start doing comedy until

00:49:54.619 --> 00:49:58.380
I had lived and done a lot of stuff, a lot of

00:49:58.380 --> 00:50:00.260
public speaking, for instance. A lot of things

00:50:00.260 --> 00:50:03.519
that, like, led to me being, like, comfortable

00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:06.690
there. Yeah, yeah. So... I just think it's like

00:50:06.690 --> 00:50:10.550
the fact that you were able to have that stuff

00:50:10.550 --> 00:50:13.130
on your voice. Are you open to doing commission

00:50:13.130 --> 00:50:16.269
work for people right now? And if so, what kind?

00:50:16.469 --> 00:50:18.610
Where can people reach out to you to get it done?

00:50:20.570 --> 00:50:24.329
Don't talk crisis. Where can they find you and

00:50:24.329 --> 00:50:27.210
be like, hey, I want stuff? Yes, I do. I do want

00:50:27.210 --> 00:50:30.429
work. doing the commission work for Patterson

00:50:30.429 --> 00:50:32.989
was like a first and I think like it really showed

00:50:32.989 --> 00:50:35.150
me that like I can do it and I really want to

00:50:35.150 --> 00:50:37.269
do that because I don't know so doing work for

00:50:37.269 --> 00:50:40.090
other people just adds more like that you're

00:50:40.090 --> 00:50:42.650
doing work for people it's not for yourself and

00:50:42.650 --> 00:50:44.369
I like that like I want people to connect with

00:50:44.369 --> 00:50:48.269
my work so I have on my website I have my email

00:50:48.269 --> 00:50:50.949
and my phone number so that is my main way of

00:50:50.949 --> 00:50:54.349
connecting and my Instagram so my website is

00:50:54.349 --> 00:50:57.579
heaven for the young with The number four. And

00:50:57.579 --> 00:50:59.539
then my Instagram is the same thing. No, I'll

00:50:59.539 --> 00:51:01.039
be linked in the description of this episode

00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.440
for everybody. Perfect. So yeah, that's my main

00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:06.260
way. Anyone can email me, text me, and I'll be

00:51:06.260 --> 00:51:08.500
happy. Awesome. Is there anything else you want

00:51:08.500 --> 00:51:10.179
to share with everybody before we wrap this up?

00:51:10.780 --> 00:51:13.179
No, no. That's been really nice. I really enjoyed

00:51:13.179 --> 00:51:16.059
talking. Yeah, this was great. I really appreciate

00:51:16.059 --> 00:51:19.179
you opening up about your creative process and

00:51:19.179 --> 00:51:22.340
just everything. This is wonderful. Yeah. Thank

00:51:22.340 --> 00:51:24.840
you so much for being here and for doing this.

00:51:24.860 --> 00:51:27.639
Thank you. Thank you. That was my interview with

00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:30.940
Frances Thrasher, a .k .a. Heaven for the Young.

00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:34.659
I really think she's got a really bright future

00:51:34.659 --> 00:51:38.039
ahead of her. She does have an art show coming

00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:43.300
up October 19th at the Ace Francisco Gallery.

00:51:43.980 --> 00:51:46.900
So if you're in Athens, Georgia or anywhere near

00:51:46.900 --> 00:51:51.019
it, I highly recommend you check that out. You

00:51:51.019 --> 00:51:54.000
can also get in touch with her directly, as she

00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:56.920
said. If you're interested in commissioning some

00:51:56.920 --> 00:52:00.380
work, I think she also has prints available for

00:52:00.380 --> 00:52:03.599
sale on her site. It was a real pleasure talking

00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:06.880
to a young artist and seeing some of the direct

00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:11.239
impacts that art education has had. Thanks for

00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.179
tuning in. Click that subscribe button because

00:52:13.179 --> 00:52:15.760
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00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:18.380
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00:52:18.380 --> 00:52:20.599
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00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:24.480
so inclined, hit that donate button. That's what

00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:27.239
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00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.659
Helps pay for some of the upkeep on this site.

00:52:31.460 --> 00:52:34.579
Thank you so much for tuning in. That was my

00:52:34.579 --> 00:52:37.559
interview with Frances Thrasher, a .k .a. Heaven

00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.980
for the Young. I really enjoyed talking to her.

00:52:41.059 --> 00:52:44.699
I think she's got a really bright future ahead

00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:49.320
of her. She does have an art show coming up October

00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:54.659
19th. at the Ace Francisco Gallery. So if you're

00:52:54.659 --> 00:52:57.659
in Athens, Georgia or anywhere near it, I highly

00:52:57.659 --> 00:53:01.400
recommend you check that out. You can also get

00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:05.440
in touch with her directly, as she said, if you're

00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:08.579
interested in commissioning some work. I think

00:53:08.579 --> 00:53:10.960
she also has prints available for sale on her

00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:14.239
site, which you'll find linked in the description

00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:16.820
of this episode. It was a real pleasure talking

00:53:16.820 --> 00:53:20.070
to a young artist and seeing... Some of the direct

00:53:20.070 --> 00:53:24.429
impacts that our education has had. Thanks for

00:53:24.429 --> 00:53:26.369
tuning in. Click that subscribe button because

00:53:26.369 --> 00:53:28.949
we've got some great guests coming up. I'm not

00:53:28.949 --> 00:53:31.590
going to go through the list again, but you're

00:53:31.590 --> 00:53:33.789
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