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Thank you. Welcome to Overeducated and Underemployed.

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Today we've got a really cool episode. I had

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the chance to sit down with Jay Gonzalez from

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the Drive -By Truckers. The weekend that the

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Sloan Brothers, Jay Gonzalez split EP came out.

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I went to the release party. Got to see Jay play.

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Lee Baines played afterwards. It was an awesome

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show. Jay has always been super kind, and he

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was gracious enough to sit down with me for a

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little over an hour. And we talk about his early

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music influences, talk about different things

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he did to make ends meet before being a full

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-time musician. And I really enjoyed talking

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to him. I think you're going to enjoy listening

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to it. Here's my interview with Jay Gonzalez

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of the Drive -By Truckers. I'm here with Jay

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Gonzalez, and I'm just going to dive into it

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and start with the question I ask everybody first.

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Sure. What's the first song you remember loving?

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Oh, God, that's tough. The first one I remember

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being inquisitive about hearing and then trying

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to find out who it was. And I don't remember

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what year it was. I know it came out around 76,

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but it was a Paul McCartney side of the wing

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song called Let Him In. And I remember I have

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a vivid memory of being in bed thinking about

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the song and asking my mom, you know, singing

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the chorus to the song and asking her if it was

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a Beatles song. She didn't know. But then years

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later, I heard it again and I realized who it

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was. More or less. Yeah. From the beginning,

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I guess it was I was going to be into that. I

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always loved the Beatles and stuff, but we were

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never a record collecting family or anything

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like that. So it was always radio. And my dad

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had a small record collection. And I think, ironically

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enough, he had the Blue Beatles record collection.

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The second. the Blue Album. The Anthology, yeah.

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Yeah, and that was great. But he also had Paul

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McCartney's Ram album. Oh, yeah. And I think

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that was a big thing, was listening to that even

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before I really dove into the Beatles stuff.

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Yeah. I was doomed from the start. Yeah, Paul

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and I have the same birthday. Oh, cool. He's

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one of those, he's actually, for a long time,

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he was like my least favorite Beatle. And honestly,

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I was watching the Get Back documentary, and

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I really started to just see how wrong I had

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been about him, to be honest. I think people's

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favorite Beatles, just like anything, they're

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these archetypes, personality -wise, and you

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either relate to them or not. And I also think

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him being the... the most maybe not friendly

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but at least offensive beetle is why in general

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he's a lot of people it's their favorite but

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then also if you have any edge to you're going

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to lean lenin and then in recent times i've it

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doesn't i agree with it but how many people i

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know are george George is their favorite. And

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it surprised me for a while. I feel like he had

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some of the best solo stuff. He did, absolutely.

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They were all great. No, he really did. I think,

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especially right at the start with All Things

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Must Pass, I think because he was constipated

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because they wouldn't let him play any of his

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songs. Yeah. Or record his songs. They cut versions

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of All Things Must Pass, but they wouldn't put

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it on an album, which is insane. But in a way...

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made for a better album for him right yeah for

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sure and you can see and get back his dynamic

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by then he had given up on doing anything other

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than just following directions yeah and i thought

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that was like really telling it is and it's a

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little but sad when you see like john barely

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listening to his song or paul putting it it's

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a i think it's a sibling thing and he was the

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younger sibling and at that age you're still

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even in your 20s you're still act like when you're

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teenagers and you're two years older than the

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other person. It might as well be 10 years. I've

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heard Paul say that Ringo wasn't even the best

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drummer in the Beatles. Right. He said it, but

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he was joking. It's such a funny thing to say.

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It's such a dig move. But it is. The style is

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everything. Ringo's style is just... Paul's a

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great drummer, but... you think of the parts

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and everything i don't i'm defending ringona

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which is ridiculous but it is a i love i don't

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know i've got a special place in my heart for

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all of them some way shape or form they yeah

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it's a little perspective i do meet people and

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i do believe there are people who don't like

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them and i think i don't know if it's always

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the music per se but i'm sure it's just being

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having it shoved down your throat sure and Even

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if you don't like them, you can't deny that you

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were influenced. Even if you're like, I hate

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the Beatles, you clearly influenced everything

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in our culture. I would say there's only been

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one person that didn't mention a Beatles song

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or related as the answer to that question. Like

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it's super common for that to be like the first

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artist to latch on to. Sure. And I think it's

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really telling too that you were able to recognize

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who you had that recognition right away. You

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were like, is this the Beatles? Yeah. I think

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that's pretty telling too. It is because I think

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I was, that song, it must have been, I was born

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in 73. I must have been six or seven maybe at

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that time. So yeah. They were all over the place

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at that point. And I think it's weird now when

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you see stuff online where kids don't know who

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they are. And it's natural. We are at the end

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of, not the end of rock and roll, but we are,

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if you're looking at the history of music. I

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mean, Lester Baines was saying that 50 years

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ago. He was. You're right. But I feel like it's

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just inevitable when you see. jazz or any style

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and how any popular music has a shelf life certain

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amount what i do think is what you're onto i'm

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not sure genre really exists that much anymore

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so in that sense they're like it's all dead i

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think it's such a different world there's no

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we're not all listening to the same stations

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or the top 40 and we are there is a general But

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it just seems so spread out due to the internet.

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I think it's not just music, right? I can't think

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of the last time other than Baby Yoda or something

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where we all were into the same thing. Yeah.

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It doesn't happen very often. TV shows occasionally

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and usually not TV shows that are on network

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TV. It's a severance or something. It's like

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there are little things that pop up. but it's

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interesting yeah i think it's really good in

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a way that any kid can just go on youtube now

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and listen to anything and be into something

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from the other side of the world something super

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obscure as opposed to back in the day when you'd

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have to you can find it but you'd have you go

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to the library or something but it's harder it's

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not just going to pop up in your feed now now

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it's just all of a sudden you can hear some music

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from eastern europe or something that's just

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just in the back of a video game or someone's

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youtube video right but it is interesting i certainly

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when it all started when the internet like late

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90s early 2000s i was head over heels for it

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musically because it was also free music was

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coming if you were looking for obscure stuff

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like I was at that time. Hot music, obscure 60s

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stuff or whatever. You can find it so easily

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and get it. Not good for people making money

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for their music, but good for people who are

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looking for music. The money thing is definitely

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a problem, but it also has made it. easier for

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bands and artists to find their audience too

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like the reverse is also true so it is that's

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but it's a blessing it's yeah both it's a double

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-edged it is but i i'm all about it it's i get

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caught in going down rabbit holes of the book

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of certain styles of music and you can find anything

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on youtube and i do love it But I think that

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highlights like a, just a big difference between

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like somebody who's really into music and like

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a casual listener. It's like casual listeners

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never talk about going down rabbit holes. But

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they also come across stuff that they wouldn't.

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And it's easy for them to find, Oh, I like this

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and get it as opposed to that. I don't know.

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It's an interesting thing. It's all right there,

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but it also, I feel like. at least the problem

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with me is I used to spend more time with something

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if I went if I spent the money going to a record

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store going somewhere and buying it and then

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didn't like it right away but you don't have

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any other option so you listen to it three or

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four times and then all of a sudden you realize

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you fall for it whereas it's a lot harder for

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me anyway and I think I'm a pretty It's a pretty

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common example of someone who's a short attention

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span. And that's been shortened even more. And

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if I hear someone's new album, if I listen to

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it once, if I listen to it twice, it's amazing.

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You know what I mean? Even if it's someone I

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really love, it's hard. But I also have some,

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I think it being my profession or whatever, what

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I do, it's... I'm also doing it all the time

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so that there's less time for me to listen maybe

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as I used to have. And it's like a fan. Yeah.

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I think most musicians are fans, and it varies.

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I know a lot of folks that don't listen to a

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lot of music at all who are musicians because

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they're just doing their own thing, and I think

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there's no right or wrong way, but I have found

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I'm listening to music constantly, but I feel

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like it's a lot less than I used to. do you ever

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like knowing that now that you're conscious of

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that do you sometimes i'm gonna force myself

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to listen to this two or three times before i

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even pass yeah i try i try i wish i was a little

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more i wish i had a little more structure and

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a little more what is the word i wish i had a

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better vocabulary i wish i would give things

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a go more but i do tend to try to if someone

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suggests something even if i don't love it at

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first like you find you try to look at it through

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their eyes and especially someone you respect

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right something musically and then it does a

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lot of times it does it shows itself that you

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realize just there's so many so much of it is

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just what your taste is i've jokingly said there's

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no good or bad music it's just what you like

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and what different people like and i think that's

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pushing it a little bit but it's yeah i almost

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say the opposite yeah there's no such thing as

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like genre there's just good and bad yeah but

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it's interesting if you think of where if someone

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comes up in a certain part of the world or something

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and what they grow up here and all the time is

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going to influence their oh sure you know what

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i mean so oh it's completely subjective objective

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and also you think of it in the time you grew

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up all as well and there's the baggage of what

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kind of social things that the song has but it's

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i think it would be even if everybody just heard

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a song didn't know who did it and just i don't

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know it's i think you bring a lot to what you're

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listening to yeah no 100 yeah i think the analogy

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i like to think about with it is if you think

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about and i don't know if you're really into

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sports at all but if you think about somebody

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who's like a fan of a team right and what the

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reasons are for them being a fan of that team

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they're pretty arbitrary most of the time or

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or at least very tied to the person and their

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individual experience where they grew up absolutely

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what player they latched on to and i think it's

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very similar with the kind of music that you

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like and especially if you're only exposed to

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like a certain kind of music it's true i mean

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it's harder to break out of it it is i think

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now The other issue is if you think of someone

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growing up in a village in the mountains and

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somewhere where all they hear is the folk music

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of the surrounding areas. Obviously I'm talking

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way back, but even in the last century, you have

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radio and stuff comes in, but you're... you're

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isolated bringing your ears or you yeah you're

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isolated but you're also you hear things everybody

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hears things differently and likes different

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elements and also you realize that now with style

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and production styles in popular music how there

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was a time where I I came up in the 80s really

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for all kinds of purposes the music i tend to

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lean towards the 60s 70s and generally speaking

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but right realistically i was 10 years old in

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83 and i was like that was from sort of 79 to

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89 was like pretty influential musically and

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and and then in the 90s i would never listen

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to anything that was 80s the 80s pop huge drum

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sound kind of stuff and stayed away from it and

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but i loved it when it came out at that time

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and now all of a sudden it's this many years

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later so much indie music is and is influenced

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by the 80s stuff and a lot of those sounds are

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popular again and i'm like all of a sudden i

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am liking these sounds again and so it's it's

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a lot of it is fashion and time and something

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you said earlier like it's not being shoved down

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your throat now It's true, it's true. And the

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thing I realized, and here's where you get the

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people who say, oh, that's not how they did it

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back then. I hear records where it is influenced

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by 80s production and synthesizers and stuff.

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It's like, it's all mixed in with everything

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that's happened since. But I think my initial

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reaction was like, that's not how they're trying

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to do this. And that's not how you do this. I

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think that's coming from a point where I was

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always trying to copy stuff from the 60s and

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70s. You realize that you just make it and whatever

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happens and you don't want it to sound exactly

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like there's so much that's happened musically

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and otherwise since then, that's going to influence

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you. So it's, I think it's the key as I, in the

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last few years, I've been just trying to not

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try to. oh this is this type of song this is

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this type of song when i'm recording something

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or going for a genre at this point it's like

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it just trying to actually you try to do something

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original i think the key is just like doing it

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and not just letting all your influences come

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in and mix up yeah i think really the really

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good artists are always doing have known to do

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that since they were young i think most people

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and myself included it takes time to realize

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that your product of your influence is good and

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bad and you gotta just accept it basically in

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the end it's what is Whatever you're trying to

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make, how does that sound or look or depending

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on whatever your medium is, if it works, then

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it works. Yeah, yeah. The process is getting

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there is, I feel like you have to be real open

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about it and just let it all in and then edit

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it later. Yeah, yeah. That kind of reminds me

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of this Ben Folds song. You got to learn to live

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with what you are. And you just have to like

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just accept it all and do something with it.

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It's true. What album is that? I think the album

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ended up being songs for... Oh, Silver. But it

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was on those EPs that came out in the early 2000s,

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yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. Beat Graphic, I think,

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was the one we had. So let's talk about when

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you were young and your music, like, you started

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playing music really young. Was that your initiative

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or was that, like, something you thought, like,

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your parents thought would be good for you because

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they saw? Yeah, a little bit of both, probably.

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How much, it sounds like you knew you loved music

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really young. Pretty, I think, my memory is so

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sharp, but from what I remember, I was, yeah,

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I always liked music, but I had a neighbor who

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was an older gentleman who played violin, and

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I think he mentioned to my parents that maybe

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I should, I would always be whistling and singing

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songs, and so he said, maybe you should take

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piano lessons or something and i think that's

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that was a real common thing back in the day

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i assume it still happens but i feel yeah i feel

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there we were at the tail end of that era where

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pianos were still normal in people's houses yeah

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and there was sheet piano sheet music in the

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back of the record store but it was a different

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thing and yeah my mom worked in one of those

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stores in the late 70s yeah yeah it's great i

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i i don't regret it at all i think my mom would

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always push me to find whatever i was gonna do

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and i think there was a lady down the street

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and she took it when i was seven and at that

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point i had also it was the time of billy joel

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and i was in new york so there was like he was

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at that point he had done this glass houses album

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which was his kind of rock and roll new wave

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album in air quotes but like he he i happened

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to cross that album my mother in a store and

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i bought it and that was now i definitely want

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to play piano and i started listening to stuff

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and elton john i remember loving the song daniel

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and and i'm sure a lot of stuff but i was getting

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into the sort of like super pop popular versions

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of that were influenced by new wave stuff like

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hauling notes and stuff so basically all these

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singer songwriters that were trying to change

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with the times and doing these sort of albums

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after hearing blondie and the pretenders and

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stuff and trying to do this stuff anyway piano

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lessons were fine but it was i would walk down

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the street every once a week and do it and i

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did that until i started getting into other karate

00:21:20.630 --> 00:21:24.609
and ninja stuff wrestling other kids stuff and

00:21:24.609 --> 00:21:28.470
then i quit that and then a few years later the

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rock and roll thing started with guitar and i

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started getting into bands rock bands more than

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top 40 radio like a lot of people do but so yeah

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so i had the piano thing at first and were you

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playing classical piano mostly or were you playing

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like some of the billy joel and elton john it

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was i think pretty common thing with at that

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point too was like very classically based and

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all that but all the simple Beethoven typical

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stuff and then a little like a little simple

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ragtime stuff but then I could bring the Billy

00:22:01.869 --> 00:22:05.369
Joel step one or whatever volume one these real

00:22:05.369 --> 00:22:09.130
simple piano pieces and I would do that and so

00:22:09.130 --> 00:22:12.529
yeah I was listening to Top 40 playing that kind

00:22:12.529 --> 00:22:17.470
of stuff always wanting to be a singer -songwriter

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but then As I got older, in my teens, I mostly

00:22:24.089 --> 00:22:27.569
wanted to play guitar in a band. And I always

00:22:27.569 --> 00:22:30.809
wrote songs and stuff and had bands and did original

00:22:30.809 --> 00:22:35.589
stuff. But it just varied a little bit stylistically.

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I'm not saying shit, really. Looking back, in

00:22:39.470 --> 00:22:42.430
my head, I was trying different things. But I

00:22:42.430 --> 00:22:47.559
had to... I'm first generation. born born here

00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:50.420
my dad is from puerto rico technically but he

00:22:50.420 --> 00:22:55.660
came in the 50s puerto rican influx into new

00:22:55.660 --> 00:22:59.339
york and stuff and my mom came from italy via

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montreal but and they wanted me to go to college

00:23:04.539 --> 00:23:07.279
and so i had to that's how i got into classical

00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:11.470
music guitar i learned i was playing Ozzy Osbourne

00:23:11.470 --> 00:23:13.470
and Randy Rhoads stuff. And he had the classical

00:23:13.470 --> 00:23:16.890
thing. He had classical music. And I played that

00:23:16.890 --> 00:23:20.769
at my high school, like on the school's Stratocaster.

00:23:21.230 --> 00:23:24.250
And then this classical guitarist came in and

00:23:24.250 --> 00:23:28.150
the teacher introduced me and they got me lessons.

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So then I studied that and then I went to college

00:23:31.069 --> 00:23:34.430
for classical guitar, but ironically met the

00:23:34.430 --> 00:23:36.349
band that I moved down to Athens with there.

00:23:36.710 --> 00:23:40.579
And I've always played in bands up there. Basically,

00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:43.839
that's what led me to Athens right after graduation.

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Do you remember what the first rock band was

00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:50.019
that you really latched on to? Or any shows as

00:23:50.019 --> 00:23:52.980
a teenager that you really remember being important

00:23:52.980 --> 00:23:58.119
to you? Yeah, sure. I was definitely a suburban

00:23:58.119 --> 00:24:02.920
rock kid. Guns N' Roses was one of the first

00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:08.319
concerts I saw. It opened for Aerosmith in 1987.

00:24:09.230 --> 00:24:11.970
and that was mind -blowing to me at the time

00:24:11.970 --> 00:24:16.109
because it was still like early on when they

00:24:16.109 --> 00:24:19.210
were just all wearing leather all original members

00:24:19.210 --> 00:24:23.109
no extra backup singers and no knocking on heaven's

00:24:23.109 --> 00:24:27.190
door reggae breakdown but it was and that was

00:24:27.190 --> 00:24:30.630
under the hair metal stuff before that too i

00:24:30.630 --> 00:24:33.950
certainly got into my 1415 and stuff like that

00:24:33.950 --> 00:24:36.490
i feel like there was something really just fun

00:24:36.490 --> 00:24:39.980
about oh yeah it was just like yeah it was rock

00:24:39.980 --> 00:24:45.079
to me that i like it because it was just mindless

00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:48.960
rock fun music i was like oh i've always looked

00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.339
like halloween so like the idea of drifting up

00:24:51.339 --> 00:24:54.900
and being a little cheesy and like being it's

00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:57.400
not like they weren't aware of it either it was

00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:01.279
yeah it was an interesting time and i think a

00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:03.579
lot of it had to do with the guitar player being

00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.779
the focal point a lot of times or word and the

00:25:07.779 --> 00:25:11.819
van halen thing and but i fortunately was young

00:25:11.819 --> 00:25:14.220
enough i was too young to really be in any band

00:25:14.220 --> 00:25:16.299
where we started dressing up and doing the whole

00:25:16.299 --> 00:25:19.880
thing by the time i was in high school it was

00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:21.599
like the guns and roses thing had happened so

00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:24.690
it was and then into growing so it was like I

00:25:24.690 --> 00:25:27.210
unfortunately missed the spandex. I didn't show

00:25:27.210 --> 00:25:29.210
up. There's no video of me like playing with

00:25:29.210 --> 00:25:32.710
spandex and big hair. That's too bad. No, it's

00:25:32.710 --> 00:25:36.869
equally bad shit video of me, but it's at least

00:25:36.869 --> 00:25:45.049
not wearing a spandex. But yeah, and then going

00:25:45.049 --> 00:25:48.250
from there, just yeah, I went to school in upstate

00:25:48.250 --> 00:25:51.890
New York and studied guitar and composition,

00:25:52.069 --> 00:25:56.359
but really. mostly played in bands with friends

00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:59.640
that yeah around and recorded at the there was

00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:05.220
a recording studio a recording program and yeah

00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:08.480
and my buddy Chris Grand who I still work with

00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:11.359
to this day and moved to Athens with and has

00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:14.119
been in a bunch of bands and since we were 18

00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:18.240
or whatever he was in the recording program and

00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.099
so we would you go to class during the day and

00:26:22.099 --> 00:26:25.339
then the their tests or their were basically

00:26:25.339 --> 00:26:28.720
recording bands and you do it overnight and you

00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.700
do it for free so i always was able to like learn

00:26:31.700 --> 00:26:35.539
how to record in a studio not technically but

00:26:35.539 --> 00:26:39.019
to play and record while they learned how to

00:26:39.019 --> 00:26:41.960
heat and he learned how to engineer and all our

00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:44.400
friends all my friends were the engineers and

00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.000
there and stuff and then yeah and then we met

00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:52.700
our singer kitty and our drummer who and both

00:26:52.700 --> 00:26:55.859
of who live still live down in georgia here and

00:26:55.859 --> 00:26:58.299
we had a band called love apple that played two

00:26:58.299 --> 00:27:00.299
years out there and then we all moved down to

00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:03.839
athens one by one and and then i've been here

00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:09.200
ever since 95. cool we all have those people

00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:12.660
growing up that are the guy turn us sometimes

00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:14.839
it's an older sibling sometimes it's just like

00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:17.480
a neighborhood friend but do you remember who

00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:20.930
that was for you and what age like young more

00:27:20.930 --> 00:27:24.410
like teenagers when you were getting into rock

00:27:24.410 --> 00:27:32.569
yeah yeah i had my my aunts and an uncle were

00:27:32.569 --> 00:27:36.910
mostly my two aunts on my mom's side were young

00:27:36.910 --> 00:27:38.789
my mom was the oldest so they were only like

00:27:38.789 --> 00:27:42.170
10 years older than me and so they were pretty

00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:45.640
they were had some really cool they were into

00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:47.220
the rock stuff yeah they were into like kids

00:27:47.220 --> 00:27:48.880
and stuff and would go see them and i remember

00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.319
them like wearing the makeup and going and stuff

00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.039
but they also had really cool record collections

00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:58.039
and that and pilfered their zeppelin albums and

00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:01.720
like joe first two joe jackson albums and all

00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:05.859
this sort of that but all over the map musically

00:28:05.859 --> 00:28:08.319
but they were definitely rockers and they lived

00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.900
in yonkers new york and i would take take their

00:28:11.900 --> 00:28:14.519
records when they moved out of the house my grandmother's

00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.079
house and left the records and then i would listen

00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.500
to that first black sabbath album and stuff like

00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:22.480
that so with all the singer songwriter stuff

00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:26.339
that was happening and then cat stevens and all

00:28:26.339 --> 00:28:29.480
these like 70s singer songwriters soft rock stuff

00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:35.740
was like i loved as well and and always struggled

00:28:35.740 --> 00:28:39.500
that big finding in between and then really in

00:28:39.500 --> 00:28:42.440
the end that's just kind of It's still what I

00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:47.880
basically listen to and do musically. It sounds

00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.680
like, and I might be wrong here, but it sounds

00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:52.539
like you decided pretty young to just, I'm going

00:28:52.539 --> 00:28:54.359
to be a professional musician and there wasn't

00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:56.039
really much Schultz you were thinking about?

00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.079
Yeah, for sure. There was just nothing else I

00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:03.119
was interested really in after 13 or 14. And

00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.319
so, yeah, I always just wanted to do it, but

00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:11.240
I was never one to plan ahead. very far. It always

00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:18.279
just went wherever it seemed like. What were

00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.460
some of the shit jobs or normal jobs or whatever

00:29:21.460 --> 00:29:24.160
you want to call them that you had to... I'm

00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:28.319
sure you, at least in college... Yeah, no. I've

00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.900
never really, even down in Athens, I've never

00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:34.400
had a real job, per se. It's always been delivered.

00:29:34.539 --> 00:29:37.509
I delivered flowers in Athens for... you know,

00:29:37.549 --> 00:29:40.569
10 years at the Athens Florist. And I loved it

00:29:40.569 --> 00:29:42.950
because we could, I didn't make much money, but

00:29:42.950 --> 00:29:47.289
I could tour and play and not drive around and

00:29:47.289 --> 00:29:49.710
listen to music. Well, and people are usually

00:29:49.710 --> 00:29:51.930
pretty happy when you show up with flowers, even

00:29:51.930 --> 00:29:55.410
if they're not from you. You'd be surprised over

00:29:55.410 --> 00:29:57.930
on Millage Avenue, you bring something to the

00:29:57.930 --> 00:30:00.829
sorority house, and if it was like the wrong

00:30:00.829 --> 00:30:05.250
delivery, you'd get screamed at. Or if it's late.

00:30:06.970 --> 00:30:10.470
and the boyfriend said something and then i've

00:30:10.470 --> 00:30:13.210
gotten yelled at a lot but mostly they're happy

00:30:13.210 --> 00:30:17.650
and it is nice and yeah deliver pizza before

00:30:17.650 --> 00:30:21.690
that and it's always been just like i worked

00:30:21.690 --> 00:30:26.490
in a bakery in high school and yeah just that

00:30:26.490 --> 00:30:29.990
kind of stuff and then yeah just always stuff

00:30:29.990 --> 00:30:34.589
that was not didn't take up too much headspace

00:30:34.589 --> 00:30:39.960
so i could just daydream and i do think a lot

00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:44.519
of artists like to have those jobs that are not

00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:49.460
super super labor intensive so you can always

00:30:49.460 --> 00:30:51.799
just think about what you're doing or write songs

00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.279
in your head or or come up with stuff or i think

00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.579
comedians are the same way oh absolutely it makes

00:30:57.579 --> 00:30:59.940
sense i think it's cut from the same cloth yeah

00:30:59.940 --> 00:31:06.279
i know certainly i know so many comedian and

00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:11.519
actor folks that I've met or want to be musicians

00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.440
and vice versa. And a lot of them do both, but

00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:18.099
there's a lot of crime. But I, yeah, I agree.

00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.519
I think it's a, it's just, you're constantly

00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:24.839
thinking of new bits and new songs and new pieces

00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:27.119
and stuff like that. And I don't think there's

00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.240
really much choice about it. It just happens.

00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:33.460
So you got to be in a situation where you can

00:31:33.460 --> 00:31:36.500
let that happen, which on the outside looks a

00:31:36.500 --> 00:31:39.940
lot like, and a lot of times is just lazy and

00:31:39.940 --> 00:31:41.599
sitting around and doing nothing. But a lot of

00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.759
times you're working on stuff in your head. And

00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.559
I'd see it. Yeah. With a lot of my friends, musician

00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.059
friends and stuff and this far away look and

00:31:52.059 --> 00:31:54.779
you're coming up with something. Yeah. Or whatever.

00:31:54.980 --> 00:32:00.240
But yeah. And a lot, so a lot of artists are,

00:32:01.450 --> 00:32:06.369
doing their craft to process trauma or the things

00:32:06.369 --> 00:32:08.549
that they might be lacking in their personal

00:32:08.549 --> 00:32:11.809
lives sometimes or just it's a way to work through

00:32:11.809 --> 00:32:16.630
emotions and but it's also pretty common for

00:32:16.630 --> 00:32:20.329
an artist to have a lot of turmoil in their childhood

00:32:20.329 --> 00:32:22.710
it doesn't sound like that was the case for you

00:32:22.710 --> 00:32:24.569
though and unless I'm missing something you know

00:32:24.569 --> 00:32:30.660
I mean not I would just mostly an anxious kid

00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:34.279
and i think and i don't know if it's caused by

00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:39.400
any real turmoil i think it was just just my

00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:45.160
personality and so i think i was overly sensitive

00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:50.180
and and i think that was a big part of how i

00:32:50.180 --> 00:32:55.599
always would non -confrontational uh so i would

00:32:55.599 --> 00:33:01.150
escape i would I was definitely like, I was more

00:33:01.150 --> 00:33:06.329
apt to run or take a nap or just pretend that

00:33:06.329 --> 00:33:10.009
it's not happening than confront or deal with

00:33:10.009 --> 00:33:13.250
a situation. Probably hasn't changed much over

00:33:13.250 --> 00:33:16.670
the years. But I think in a way, going into your

00:33:16.670 --> 00:33:20.450
head is probably a common way a lot of people

00:33:20.450 --> 00:33:24.569
who do creative stuff deal with that. Yeah. Definitely,

00:33:24.710 --> 00:33:28.430
yeah. But I generally had a happy childhood.

00:33:29.009 --> 00:33:31.369
But the turmoil was more internal, not external.

00:33:31.390 --> 00:33:33.990
I think so, yeah. I was definitely lucky. We

00:33:33.990 --> 00:33:38.130
lived in the suburbs in this really cool little

00:33:38.130 --> 00:33:41.210
hamlet in upstate New York. Not upstate, but

00:33:41.210 --> 00:33:46.069
north of the city. I really liked where I lived

00:33:46.069 --> 00:33:47.690
and my friends and everything, but I think I

00:33:47.690 --> 00:33:53.339
always tended to be a bit of a loner. Even though

00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:55.240
I hung out with people, but it was always in

00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:57.700
my head. And I think that, again, that hasn't

00:33:57.700 --> 00:34:00.140
changed a lot. But I do think, yeah, I think

00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:03.900
anytime everybody has certain levels of trauma

00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:07.960
and things happen to them. And I think that's

00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:11.699
whether or not I'm writing about it on purpose.

00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:14.519
Certainly as I got older, I dealt with things

00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.039
like the death of family members and stuff by

00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.340
writing about it. And a lot of times probably.

00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.239
a little too, when I was writing lyrics, a little

00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.639
too much in TMI. I definitely think I've had

00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:29.960
people say it made them feel uncomfortable because

00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:32.019
of stuff I'm writing about, and I think that's...

00:34:32.019 --> 00:34:38.619
That sounds like a dumb problem. And obviously,

00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:42.440
being in the truckers, I don't think that's why

00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.139
they brought me in, but I think we're cut from

00:34:45.139 --> 00:34:47.860
a similar cloth in the sense that a lot of certainly

00:34:47.860 --> 00:34:50.519
Patterson's lyrics are about stuff. personal

00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.920
stuff or just stuff you write about heavier stuff

00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:58.079
i think rock and roll is upbeat music with downbeat

00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:03.019
lyrics in a very general sense but it's i don't

00:35:03.019 --> 00:35:07.679
know it always leans dark lyrically do you feel

00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.639
like when you're playing in a band that you have

00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:12.699
to be able to relate to what they're singing

00:35:12.699 --> 00:35:16.000
about in order or is that kind of you can play

00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:19.409
your part and if i relate to it great yeah i

00:35:19.409 --> 00:35:23.869
think i should do that more i don't think i don't

00:35:23.869 --> 00:35:28.170
i strive to do that i do that more now where

00:35:28.170 --> 00:35:30.829
i'll listen to the lyrics or read the lyric sheet

00:35:30.829 --> 00:35:34.929
and try to fit the mood of it i think the key

00:35:34.929 --> 00:35:36.909
even if you don't know exactly what it's about

00:35:36.909 --> 00:35:40.289
or you're not listening exactly to the lyrics

00:35:40.289 --> 00:35:45.119
is it's at least my job is to capture the to

00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:48.280
play the right part and to capture the vibe of

00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:53.099
it and i think that's it's the biggest i think

00:35:53.099 --> 00:35:55.760
that's the most important part of certainly a

00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.539
side musician to someone else's song is to understand

00:35:59.539 --> 00:36:03.840
what they're doing if not exactly lyrically musically

00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:07.900
emotionally and that's the toughest thing i think

00:36:07.900 --> 00:36:12.929
is figuring out what the right part is You throw

00:36:12.929 --> 00:36:15.289
all this stuff at it and you just try to hone

00:36:15.289 --> 00:36:18.190
it down to what's hopefully the right thing.

00:36:18.309 --> 00:36:22.650
Yeah. Without overthinking it. I think I was

00:36:22.650 --> 00:36:25.449
always an over -talker about music and stuff

00:36:25.449 --> 00:36:28.329
and working stuff out. Do you like this? How

00:36:28.329 --> 00:36:31.289
about this? How about this? Which is a neurotic

00:36:31.289 --> 00:36:33.909
New Yorker thing, too. But I learned quickly

00:36:33.909 --> 00:36:37.909
with them that it's more of you go in there and

00:36:37.909 --> 00:36:41.280
start playing it. and come up and you know the

00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.780
less said the better you just you don't explain

00:36:44.780 --> 00:36:48.239
what you're doing or ask you just do what you

00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:50.980
think is right and then nine times out of ten

00:36:50.980 --> 00:36:54.820
it works out eventually with maybe some guidance

00:36:54.820 --> 00:37:00.920
but i think that you're hired because you they

00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:03.980
don't need to think about micromanaging your

00:37:03.980 --> 00:37:06.690
parts At least with the Chalkers, which is great.

00:37:06.750 --> 00:37:08.489
I know there are other bands where it is. You

00:37:08.489 --> 00:37:11.250
go and they want you to play this part. Zappa

00:37:11.250 --> 00:37:17.309
would have just cloned himself. When he got the

00:37:17.309 --> 00:37:21.030
Sinclair computer synthesizer, he was, I think,

00:37:21.030 --> 00:37:22.690
in heaven because he didn't need anybody else.

00:37:22.929 --> 00:37:25.670
I think with MIDI and the time gone down, how

00:37:25.670 --> 00:37:28.210
he lived now, he would probably be doing everything

00:37:28.210 --> 00:37:32.170
in a laptop. Oh, absolutely. He predicted iTunes.

00:37:32.510 --> 00:37:37.460
Yeah. He probably, I think, would still be doing

00:37:37.460 --> 00:37:41.079
stuff at large with other people. I think he

00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:43.039
knows that you have to have other input, but

00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:47.099
I think he'd rather just... And in ways, I like

00:37:47.099 --> 00:37:50.300
to do that with my own stuff. I do writing music

00:37:50.300 --> 00:37:54.059
by myself and just doing stuff, but then every

00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:57.820
time I get together with other people in a band

00:37:57.820 --> 00:38:00.860
playing my stuff, I realize it's... so much better

00:38:00.860 --> 00:38:04.139
to have other people's input and easier and fun

00:38:04.139 --> 00:38:09.539
and so much of the at least my life some most

00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:13.460
of my friends are musicians and that's how i

00:38:13.460 --> 00:38:16.059
communicate that's the thing you're talking about

00:38:16.059 --> 00:38:19.539
the turmoil thing and when you're writing and

00:38:19.539 --> 00:38:22.579
processing pain and i think it's true but i think

00:38:22.579 --> 00:38:26.900
with me it's the i struggle communicating on

00:38:26.900 --> 00:38:31.050
so many levels with people That, I think, it's

00:38:31.050 --> 00:38:33.269
just an easier way to communicate. It's like

00:38:33.269 --> 00:38:38.349
your love language almost. It is. And it's, you

00:38:38.349 --> 00:38:42.610
try to, I don't know, I feel like it's sometimes

00:38:42.610 --> 00:38:46.530
I'm more comfortable. The easiest part of, say,

00:38:46.570 --> 00:38:49.469
touring or something is like being on stage and

00:38:49.469 --> 00:38:54.369
playing for me because it's just doing what I'm

00:38:54.369 --> 00:38:59.460
supposed to do. And I'm most comfortable. The

00:38:59.460 --> 00:39:03.139
hard part is getting from A to B and talking

00:39:03.139 --> 00:39:05.480
to people and getting there and figuring out

00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:10.219
logistics and stuff. But it's all well worth

00:39:10.219 --> 00:39:14.039
it. How do you approach your solo albums differently

00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.400
than when you're working with the Truckers or

00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:21.019
even just any other collaborative project? It's

00:39:21.019 --> 00:39:24.280
always been the same. I just start writing songs

00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:31.059
and depending on... Back when I was in bands

00:39:31.059 --> 00:39:33.539
that were doing my songs, we'd present them at

00:39:33.539 --> 00:39:36.800
rehearsals and do it. But then once I joined

00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:38.980
the Truckers and was doing that, it was harder

00:39:38.980 --> 00:39:42.400
to have to be in other bands at the same time.

00:39:42.500 --> 00:39:46.579
And so that's when the band I was in was falling

00:39:46.579 --> 00:39:51.260
apart. And so I had these songs. And basically...

00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.239
a lot of it was started off with like home demos

00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:56.239
and then my friend chris who i mentioned before

00:39:56.239 --> 00:40:00.960
has always recorded and mixed and produced albums

00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:04.280
with me and my solo stuff so a lot of times i'd

00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.159
show him and then we'd either he'd take what

00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:11.739
i did recording wise at home and make it sound

00:40:11.739 --> 00:40:15.400
a million times better or we would book time

00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.780
in the studio and go in and get our friends and

00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:24.500
play and record that way and then usually a lot

00:40:24.500 --> 00:40:28.079
of my solo albums are mixes of like home demo

00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.679
stuff or recorded in the studio i have an ep

00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.480
that i did that's like a suite of songs and that

00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:38.179
was all done in a studio but it all like runs

00:40:38.179 --> 00:40:42.019
together yeah yeah and that was but a lot of

00:40:42.019 --> 00:40:45.840
times it's a mix of tracks from them out different

00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:48.980
things trying to make it all sound good together

00:40:50.139 --> 00:40:53.639
so yeah but and i really want to get back and

00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:58.440
get all my buddies into a real live studio thing

00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.900
and cut something as live as possible especially

00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:03.679
after the pandemic where it was so much layering

00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:07.699
and sending track yeah i'm fine doing that and

00:41:07.699 --> 00:41:10.400
that's what i do a lot of the time working on

00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:14.159
a lot of times people will send me stuff that

00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.679
they need keyboards or guitar on and i'll send

00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:20.559
it to them And I love doing that, but I do, in

00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:24.079
the end, like having a... If we can get just

00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:28.599
a live performance of a song. There's something

00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:30.340
about the chemistry of being in the room. It

00:41:30.340 --> 00:41:32.739
is. There's a reason I wanted to do this in person,

00:41:32.780 --> 00:41:35.079
too, versus on Zoom. No, you're right, it is.

00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.159
It's a different thing, and you can really get

00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:40.800
stuff done so much quicker. I know that's something

00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.320
that drives us crazy when we're sending stuff

00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.719
back and forth and working on stuff. it's we

00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:49.719
get a thousand times more done when we're in

00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:52.900
a room even for an hour than send it what do

00:41:52.900 --> 00:41:55.139
you think of this and changes unfortunately it's

00:41:55.139 --> 00:41:58.780
he lives in new york and i'm down here it's tough

00:41:58.780 --> 00:42:02.480
but i've gotten more into the i'm trying to do

00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:06.320
where i'm collecting songs and then plan a good

00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.360
save up money get together and do an album just

00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:14.039
as much as live as possible as opposed to cobbling

00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.019
this together and then trying to make it sound

00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:19.780
like a live performance and then if i don't and

00:42:19.780 --> 00:42:26.659
now and otherwise i do solo stuff and i do i

00:42:26.659 --> 00:42:30.579
like how jason isbell's new album's just him

00:42:30.579 --> 00:42:33.650
and a guitar i do that too i like being able

00:42:33.650 --> 00:42:37.329
to strip stuff down and i did and i was like

00:42:37.329 --> 00:42:41.730
oh man that's people do that but it's generally

00:42:41.730 --> 00:42:46.590
more in a not on a pop americano thing or whatever

00:42:46.590 --> 00:42:50.050
usually it's a spokesperson or something where

00:42:50.050 --> 00:42:52.409
it's just an early an instrument one instrument

00:42:52.409 --> 00:42:55.500
but it's uh i thought it was really cool to do

00:42:55.500 --> 00:42:58.039
that it's really it's really like telling when

00:42:58.039 --> 00:42:59.960
the songs can stand on their own that's the thing

00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:01.920
but i think it really does you're not hiding

00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:05.380
behind anything and i definitely know i personally

00:43:05.380 --> 00:43:09.159
hide behind arrangement and adding interesting

00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:12.780
or some trying to be interesting parts almost

00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:16.500
to distract from the song and i've learned in

00:43:16.500 --> 00:43:19.360
recent times working with a lyricist my lyricist

00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.360
friend pete smith we put out an album a couple

00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.980
of years ago I grabbed it the other night. Oh,

00:43:25.980 --> 00:43:32.739
cool. Thanks. I know the lyrics are great, and

00:43:32.739 --> 00:43:35.880
I'm like, oh my gosh, and I can just focus on

00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:39.820
the music and setting it to a melody that sounds

00:43:39.820 --> 00:43:43.199
natural. And that's really what I learned is

00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:48.559
my strength and what I really enjoy doing. So

00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:53.840
that makes things easier, I think. if you have

00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:58.400
a good song it can yeah you can play it in any

00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:02.079
form and it'll stand up you know that's the goal

00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:04.019
right you try to write like something like that

00:44:04.019 --> 00:44:07.780
or what they would have called an evergreen standard

00:44:07.780 --> 00:44:12.059
back in the day a modern standard but that's

00:44:12.059 --> 00:44:15.099
not easy but it's fun to try so you moved to

00:44:15.099 --> 00:44:19.099
Evans in 95 how long until you were able to like

00:44:19.099 --> 00:44:23.300
fully make a living being a musician At what

00:44:23.300 --> 00:44:26.679
point did that happen? 2008. When you joined

00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:29.980
the truckers? Yeah. So one thing that we've been

00:44:29.980 --> 00:44:32.460
talking about with other, like a lot of the people

00:44:32.460 --> 00:44:34.900
I've talked to are fans or part of the community

00:44:34.900 --> 00:44:37.760
of the fan base of the truckers, right? And the

00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.179
drive -by truckers have one of the strongest,

00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.739
I think, communities in terms of the fan bases.

00:44:44.900 --> 00:44:46.960
It's something I've heard all of you say repeatedly.

00:44:47.099 --> 00:44:50.840
And we do a lot to help raise money for Nucci

00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.570
Space and things like that. But that community

00:44:53.570 --> 00:44:56.130
already existed when you joined, right? So what

00:44:56.130 --> 00:45:00.309
was it like to join the band that already had

00:45:00.309 --> 00:45:04.590
this established community? I think you really

00:45:04.590 --> 00:45:07.130
became very accessible very quickly and were

00:45:07.130 --> 00:45:10.250
always super wonderful to everybody from the

00:45:10.250 --> 00:45:12.389
get -go. But I'm just wondering what that experience

00:45:12.389 --> 00:45:16.010
was like for you. It was really cool. It was

00:45:16.010 --> 00:45:19.889
a learning curve just because I had never...

00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.659
I didn't tour a lot before I joined the Truckers,

00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:28.420
and no one really knew the music I made outside

00:45:28.420 --> 00:45:33.219
of Athens friends and bands I was in and stuff.

00:45:33.340 --> 00:45:38.019
So I was getting used to... We jumped on that

00:45:38.019 --> 00:45:40.659
tour, and it was a month -long tour, and it was

00:45:40.659 --> 00:45:43.920
jumping right in. But it was great meeting people.

00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:49.090
I think the first gig where we had... someone

00:45:49.090 --> 00:45:52.090
made cookies on the bus and it was sarah henderson

00:45:52.090 --> 00:45:54.489
and what it was like and i met luke and sarah

00:45:54.489 --> 00:45:56.050
there and then you'd start meeting different

00:45:56.050 --> 00:45:58.329
folks and realize and seeing them at different

00:45:58.329 --> 00:46:01.210
shows and becoming friends with them over the

00:46:01.210 --> 00:46:06.090
years it's a lovely thing and it is i've never

00:46:06.090 --> 00:46:08.750
been in a band where there was a community like

00:46:08.750 --> 00:46:11.730
that and i don't think even other bands at the

00:46:11.730 --> 00:46:15.730
same level or whatever as the truckers you don't

00:46:15.730 --> 00:46:18.909
really see that i don't know it's very unique

00:46:18.909 --> 00:46:20.989
no i don't think i maybe i didn't know it was

00:46:20.989 --> 00:46:24.989
unique excuse me at the time i think i and i've

00:46:24.989 --> 00:46:29.590
been a fan for 20 years now and so i feel like

00:46:29.590 --> 00:46:32.030
i'm just in the last few years realizing how

00:46:32.030 --> 00:46:36.150
special and unique it is yeah absolutely we're

00:46:36.150 --> 00:46:38.670
in it it's hard to see the forest for the trees

00:46:38.670 --> 00:46:43.170
when you don't i think it's also a band that's

00:46:43.170 --> 00:46:48.820
not so big that you can't it's we're accessible

00:46:48.820 --> 00:46:52.880
in the sense that it's like we're we're we play

00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:56.739
clubs and you could we have the events like the

00:46:56.739 --> 00:46:59.960
homecoming events and it's like i think patterson

00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:03.320
certainly opened the door for from the beginning

00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:07.420
and i didn't really know anybody else that did

00:47:07.420 --> 00:47:10.619
that kind of thing that would do immediately

00:47:10.619 --> 00:47:14.719
start raising money for Nucci Space. I think

00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:19.539
he learned that from the REM thing. I'm sure

00:47:19.539 --> 00:47:23.940
that was a huge influence. You can do good with

00:47:23.940 --> 00:47:28.079
what you're doing musically and hopefully change

00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:32.719
things for the better. Sadly, I've always been

00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:36.059
selfish previously with bands and just only thinking

00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:39.599
about making the music and playing the show.

00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.940
the end of it granted also it was also all the

00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:47.039
same group of friends that before that you know

00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.099
yeah yeah it's i was overwhelmed frankly at first

00:47:51.099 --> 00:47:55.460
but i think in a good way overall it was i was

00:47:55.460 --> 00:47:59.619
finding my way within the band and the organization

00:47:59.619 --> 00:48:02.820
and then and then meeting people and stuff like

00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:06.559
that and it was a big learning curve those first

00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.699
few years and i don't think i really totally

00:48:09.699 --> 00:48:12.920
felt like I was comfortable in the situation

00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:16.300
until really after the pandemic I think once

00:48:16.300 --> 00:48:19.199
that happened it was a because I was always I

00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:23.860
feel like from 2008 to 2000 to 2020 it was like

00:48:23.860 --> 00:48:29.840
non -stop trying to feel to feel like a fully

00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:31.920
fledged member of the band or something you're

00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:36.789
also following up after musically after John

00:48:36.789 --> 00:48:40.550
Neff and Jason Isbell and it's oh my god you

00:48:40.550 --> 00:48:44.210
I always felt a little bit of you have to try

00:48:44.210 --> 00:48:47.289
to how do you do that how do you maintain that

00:48:47.289 --> 00:48:51.630
with their stuff and that level of musicianship

00:48:51.630 --> 00:48:55.929
and also fitting in with the music I did always

00:48:55.929 --> 00:48:59.829
feel like I maybe didn't fit in musically as

00:48:59.829 --> 00:49:02.789
much as they did but I think that's what i think

00:49:02.789 --> 00:49:04.630
once i realized that patterson brought me in

00:49:04.630 --> 00:49:08.170
you if you didn't want someone that sounded the

00:49:08.170 --> 00:49:10.190
same as the last part you wanted something different

00:49:10.190 --> 00:49:12.889
yeah i think that was the key and now this has

00:49:12.889 --> 00:49:15.710
been the longest there's ever been one line yeah

00:49:15.710 --> 00:49:19.449
so crazy and but yeah during the pandemic i think

00:49:19.449 --> 00:49:21.869
it stopped time to stop and think and really

00:49:21.869 --> 00:49:26.630
appreciate the situation i always have but i

00:49:26.630 --> 00:49:29.789
think i was always so caught up and anxious about

00:49:30.909 --> 00:49:34.730
it working and doing doing stuff right and and

00:49:34.730 --> 00:49:38.469
then now it's i think i i would suspect a lot

00:49:38.469 --> 00:49:41.429
of people feel like if you made it through the

00:49:41.429 --> 00:49:44.750
pandemic it's and it's not totally fucked over

00:49:44.750 --> 00:49:47.789
financially and everything if your business still

00:49:47.789 --> 00:49:50.989
exists or your band still exists then it's all

00:49:50.989 --> 00:49:55.110
gravy and i do think we i feel like we we all

00:49:55.110 --> 00:49:59.030
are enjoying it and having fun playing all the

00:49:59.030 --> 00:50:02.719
shows are just there's no drama and it's just

00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:08.480
all having fun in a weird way. I do think that's

00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:11.199
a turning point. Feeling like you did at the

00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:14.300
beginning of playing in bands. We just go out

00:50:14.300 --> 00:50:17.079
there and have fun doing it. And certainly this

00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:20.099
last tour with doing the Southern Rock Opera

00:50:20.099 --> 00:50:22.519
album has been fun and I think it pulled us out

00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:27.820
of the now a little bit by learning this older

00:50:27.820 --> 00:50:31.639
thing. And I know I don't think really anyone

00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:33.639
was super excited about doing that kind of thing

00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:36.519
initially because it is moving backward. And

00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:37.920
it's something y 'all have never done. You've

00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:40.840
never played the same show repeatedly. Yeah,

00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:42.739
we don't use set lists and stuff. So there was

00:50:42.739 --> 00:50:47.719
a lot of weird shit about it. But in the end,

00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:50.579
it really, I think, it's safe to say everyone

00:50:50.579 --> 00:50:53.820
really loved the experience. I think so too.

00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:56.360
I mean, and I don't mean that in the band. Yeah,

00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:58.400
yeah. I don't know. It looked like everybody

00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:00.699
was having a blast. something yeah it was a lot

00:51:00.699 --> 00:51:04.739
of money and i think and i think patterson's

00:51:04.739 --> 00:51:09.519
his credit made it work in a weird way we're

00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:11.199
coming up on an election year and i think he

00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:14.860
really wanted to push the political thing understandably

00:51:14.860 --> 00:51:18.000
and try to get us to not be where we are now

00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:23.300
but we but instead of having recent songs that

00:51:23.300 --> 00:51:26.480
were political that album is he would i thought

00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:29.880
i really liked how he worked in what's happening

00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:31.980
today with what was happening in the 60s and

00:51:31.980 --> 00:51:34.059
during the civil rights movement and stuff and

00:51:34.059 --> 00:51:39.219
so it really it was a lot of fun having said

00:51:39.219 --> 00:51:41.699
that i am excited to go back to just playing

00:51:41.699 --> 00:51:47.039
hopefully the new songs and looser sets but i

00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:48.920
think that's part of what made it great too was

00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:51.679
like it wasn't forever right it was just and

00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.480
to me it felt like it because i thought the last

00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:56.690
night and then the first night that you weren't

00:51:56.690 --> 00:51:58.809
doing it yeah it was like i don't think you played

00:51:58.809 --> 00:52:01.489
a single song that first night off of it at all

00:52:01.489 --> 00:52:04.409
but then at the end i think we did we would take

00:52:04.409 --> 00:52:06.489
like the last few songs and i think that's something

00:52:06.489 --> 00:52:11.349
that we can do which is you take like a it's

00:52:11.349 --> 00:52:16.769
modular the way the album the show of the summer

00:52:16.769 --> 00:52:19.909
album is like in sections and if you take those

00:52:19.909 --> 00:52:22.110
last three or four songs and decide we need to

00:52:22.110 --> 00:52:25.099
end a set with it when i say we patterson or

00:52:25.099 --> 00:52:28.059
cooley calls a song from that for the last three

00:52:28.059 --> 00:52:31.239
or four songs and that album we go and we can

00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:34.000
end a set like that after playing a bunch of

00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.059
different songs sure and take we have these songs

00:52:37.059 --> 00:52:38.920
i think that was what i loved about it was the

00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:43.000
arc of the album a lot of times they don't albums

00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:45.840
don't translate into live shows and when you

00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:49.500
see people do their do an album they end up they

00:52:49.500 --> 00:52:51.320
do the album then they do a bunch of songs after

00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:54.199
to try to ramp up the ending because not all

00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:57.440
albums and like a rock show but i feel like that

00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:00.940
album does and so there was a definite you could

00:53:00.940 --> 00:53:03.900
feel the excitement at the as the night went

00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:09.719
on and stuff it builds up and so that's and i

00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:11.900
think like anything you take from the whatever

00:53:11.900 --> 00:53:15.079
project you do before and i think i'm sure it'll

00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:17.539
influence our next whatever the next album is

00:53:17.539 --> 00:53:20.559
or whatever musically i think i feel like it'll

00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:24.079
be a probably i certainly want to play more guitar

00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:27.840
and i think i really felt more comfortable doing

00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.800
that because it was a guitar based album and

00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.039
so now i feel like i've learned a lot more in

00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.059
the last couple years doing that of how to fit

00:53:36.059 --> 00:53:40.380
parts in and do the three guitar thing not that

00:53:40.380 --> 00:53:42.460
we haven't done that but i think i've always

00:53:42.460 --> 00:53:44.480
tended to defer to keyboards because there's

00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:48.199
already two guitars and maybe certain songs that

00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:51.000
i thought needed keyboards maybe don't maybe

00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:57.159
i think i'm just maybe enjoying the last hurrah

00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:01.860
of rocking being able to rock out at 51 or whatever

00:54:01.860 --> 00:54:05.480
yeah i know the stones are doing it at eight

00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.699
i know it's no you can still do it but i feel

00:54:09.449 --> 00:54:12.710
I'm really enjoying it, I guess, maybe midlife.

00:54:12.849 --> 00:54:16.510
How much of your performance each night is improvised

00:54:16.510 --> 00:54:22.170
versus what you always play? It depends. Usually

00:54:22.170 --> 00:54:29.429
the song parts are set, and then a lot of times

00:54:29.429 --> 00:54:32.389
the solos are improvised. Got it, yeah. Again,

00:54:32.489 --> 00:54:34.789
with the Southern Rock Opera, it was a less,

00:54:34.809 --> 00:54:41.130
maybe improvised stuff. What happens is a lot

00:54:41.130 --> 00:54:43.610
of times from the beginning of a tour to the

00:54:43.610 --> 00:54:45.929
end or a project, like so the beginning of the

00:54:45.929 --> 00:54:47.949
Southern Rock Opera, I was coming up trying to

00:54:47.949 --> 00:54:49.809
play the guitar parts on the record or something

00:54:49.809 --> 00:54:54.110
that fit. And then toward the end, I'd be changing

00:54:54.110 --> 00:54:56.230
it every night and then it wouldn't settle. I

00:54:56.230 --> 00:54:58.550
think that's how we work. We don't really play

00:54:58.550 --> 00:55:01.630
the album, whatever we record. It's like that.

00:55:02.849 --> 00:55:05.650
I don't think our albums are necessarily like

00:55:05.650 --> 00:55:08.800
worked on. to the point where they're just like

00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:10.460
settled. And then that's the only way we would

00:55:10.460 --> 00:55:13.380
play the arrangement. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers

00:55:13.380 --> 00:55:15.699
would do that kind of thing more where they would

00:55:15.699 --> 00:55:19.280
spend that time working a song and working until

00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:21.780
it gets settled and then play it live like that.

00:55:21.860 --> 00:55:23.980
Whereas we, I feel like the Chuck Resolves are

00:55:23.980 --> 00:55:25.800
just more of a snapshot of the time and then

00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:28.880
it just changes. Certainly my parts have changed

00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:31.940
over the years from say 2016 or whatever. It's,

00:55:31.940 --> 00:55:36.150
oh shit. this there's no nothing's happening

00:55:36.150 --> 00:55:38.909
during this part of the song on the record which

00:55:38.909 --> 00:55:42.230
is on me or whatever but then i can add it online

00:55:42.230 --> 00:55:46.010
hopefully someone will record it and it'll be

00:55:46.010 --> 00:55:48.809
the arrangements do they morph yeah absolutely

00:55:48.809 --> 00:55:50.869
and i think you can do everything for everybody

00:55:50.869 --> 00:55:54.329
yeah you know i think it's that depends on the

00:55:54.329 --> 00:55:56.530
kind of band certain bands the arrangements should

00:55:56.530 --> 00:55:58.690
be tight and but i think it's this is a different

00:55:58.690 --> 00:56:02.389
kind of band yeah yeah so the last thing i really

00:56:02.389 --> 00:56:06.309
want to talk about is i talked to sloan and i

00:56:06.309 --> 00:56:07.909
want to talk about the cp that y 'all did together

00:56:07.909 --> 00:56:11.510
it sounds and one thing that he said that i thought

00:56:11.510 --> 00:56:13.849
was interesting but i wanted to bring it up now

00:56:13.849 --> 00:56:16.929
instead of earlier was the way his recording

00:56:16.929 --> 00:56:20.590
process is almost all like sending tracks right

00:56:20.590 --> 00:56:24.269
yeah originally early on when he first started

00:56:24.269 --> 00:56:28.489
doing these and he said that made him a little

00:56:28.489 --> 00:56:32.780
less meticulous about re -recording parts or

00:56:32.780 --> 00:56:35.559
things like that because it's not just, oh, let's

00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:38.000
lay down another track. It's, okay, go back,

00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:40.900
set up your stuff, record it again, and play

00:56:40.900 --> 00:56:45.320
this whole thing. So that was just something

00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:48.199
that I thought was interesting about the dynamic

00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:51.860
between the way both of y 'all prefer recording

00:56:51.860 --> 00:56:54.760
in some ways, too. But what was that like? What

00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:56.179
was it like working with them? Oh, it was great.

00:56:57.539 --> 00:57:01.719
So I didn't... I knew Sloan around town, but

00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:05.480
I didn't know that he had... I knew he had played

00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:08.940
in the past, but he hadn't played with bands

00:57:08.940 --> 00:57:13.199
around town. And so when he sent me, he said

00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.739
he's working on this album and he sent me some

00:57:15.739 --> 00:57:18.360
tracks to play on. And I was like blown away

00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:23.239
because I also wasn't sure. He's got such a Catholic

00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:26.559
taste musically, judging from all the bands he

00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:30.139
recorded, that I didn't know. what it would be

00:57:30.139 --> 00:57:32.880
musically and I didn't expect it to be so pop

00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:36.679
oriented in a sort of a classic rock pop sense

00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:41.119
and and so I was really thrilled and really had

00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:44.260
a fun time when people send you stuff it can

00:57:44.260 --> 00:57:46.820
range from something that's up your alley to

00:57:46.820 --> 00:57:49.340
something that's totally what do I do to this

00:57:49.340 --> 00:57:52.179
I don't know how to do it because a lot of times

00:57:52.179 --> 00:57:56.559
I'll if someone sends me a message and asks if

00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:58.920
I can record if I'm free and home and can do

00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:03.400
it, I'll do it. I'll cut that part out. No, I

00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:06.219
love it all. I love doing it all the time, but

00:58:06.219 --> 00:58:09.219
sometimes it's, sometimes it's just not, you

00:58:09.219 --> 00:58:11.619
realize it's harder for me to, but with him it's,

00:58:11.619 --> 00:58:13.539
that's the thing, it's not, again, it's not a

00:58:13.539 --> 00:58:17.199
quality thing, it's a, it's a, it doesn't fit

00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:20.400
stylistically of what you do and do you know

00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.059
how to make a part for it. And sometimes it's

00:58:23.059 --> 00:58:26.340
harder, but with him it was just like very much

00:58:26.340 --> 00:58:30.099
the same. in the same wheelhouse in my wheelhouse

00:58:30.099 --> 00:58:32.539
the same style so i could send him a guitar i

00:58:32.539 --> 00:58:34.440
could pull up a song and i would do a guitar

00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:35.900
so then it would be easy because it would be

00:58:35.900 --> 00:58:38.639
like a few takes and also he was very like loose

00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:43.000
about what he wanted and trusted you to do whatever

00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:47.860
and it was great then so when this so i played

00:58:47.860 --> 00:58:50.840
on a few songs on his first album and now i know

00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:55.510
the next album is with my former band now yeah

00:58:55.510 --> 00:58:58.130
and that's it's guys i've played with for years

00:58:58.130 --> 00:59:00.530
the lane brothers i was in the possibilities

00:59:00.530 --> 00:59:04.250
with and they played in the guilty pleasures

00:59:04.250 --> 00:59:06.829
with me too and they have their band the lanes

00:59:06.829 --> 00:59:11.650
and and then brandon played bass in the arcs

00:59:11.650 --> 00:59:15.289
and it's just the incestuous family of musicians

00:59:15.289 --> 00:59:18.349
and so Unfortunately, I wasn't able to be there

00:59:18.349 --> 00:59:21.409
and cut live with them, but we're all in the

00:59:21.409 --> 00:59:23.610
records and stuff. And so the basis of it is

00:59:23.610 --> 00:59:26.130
you want to at least have the rhythm section

00:59:26.130 --> 00:59:31.510
be as live as possible. Inevitably, everything

00:59:31.510 --> 00:59:35.030
you ever hear is overdubbed, no matter how live

00:59:35.030 --> 00:59:39.489
a band cuts. Although I did a few with my other

00:59:39.489 --> 00:59:43.869
project, Jay and the Boulevardians, we cut up.

00:59:44.219 --> 00:59:47.139
our thing was like no overdubs so there was a

00:59:47.139 --> 00:59:51.719
lot of fun time dude dude you gotta do 15 20

00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:53.920
takes but then you get it live and it's amazing

00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:58.179
so i that's the goal but but i'm excited the

00:59:58.179 --> 01:00:01.820
stuff this new album is killer and it's looks

01:00:01.820 --> 01:00:06.460
like the same vibe of songs but but just full

01:00:06.460 --> 01:00:10.900
rock band going i think slung i don't know i

01:00:10.900 --> 01:00:14.920
can't speak for him but i'm sure i talking to

01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:17.119
him i think we both love being able to work on

01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:19.320
stuff by ourselves and do that and it is great

01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:21.960
but there is you know i do think the goal generally

01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:25.579
is to get some a real drummer especially with

01:00:25.579 --> 01:00:28.800
rock music right that's the thing it's if you're

01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:34.179
doing dance music or whatever or folk or whatever

01:00:34.179 --> 01:00:38.159
it's you don't need uh but the most important

01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:40.539
person in a rock band is a drummer is the drummer

01:00:40.539 --> 01:00:43.619
and it took me years to learn that but it's true

01:00:43.619 --> 01:00:45.739
if you have a bad drummer you have a bad band

01:00:45.739 --> 01:00:51.480
but but this project the split ep was basically

01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:56.239
we each took two songs that we had and i picked

01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:58.340
two songs that had recorded in the past and never

01:00:58.340 --> 01:01:02.320
released and and my buddy chris talked about

01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:05.380
earlier mixed it for me and then we had someone

01:01:05.380 --> 01:01:09.219
master it and so it's but they fit really well

01:01:09.219 --> 01:01:13.269
it's just like theme the sort of bubblegum music

01:01:13.269 --> 01:01:19.110
theme really crosses over it's i love his two

01:01:19.110 --> 01:01:23.849
songs on there like the ramones meet the cars

01:01:23.849 --> 01:01:27.929
and none of neither of us got shot so that's

01:01:27.929 --> 01:01:30.750
i think we're okay i don't think i locked the

01:01:30.750 --> 01:01:33.869
door but we're all right yeah yeah he said he

01:01:33.869 --> 01:01:36.610
takes much more of a steve albini approach than

01:01:36.610 --> 01:01:39.989
like a rick rubin approach oh yeah yeah he's

01:01:39.989 --> 01:01:42.340
much more i'm just trying to like document what

01:01:42.340 --> 01:01:44.579
they want to do to the song and things like that

01:01:44.579 --> 01:01:48.699
yeah it's a trip man i love working with him

01:01:48.699 --> 01:01:52.880
i've known him for so long it's really cool working

01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:55.960
on this project is awesome he's so driven he's

01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:57.820
just like making music all the time it's like

01:01:57.820 --> 01:02:01.659
inspiring yeah yeah and i think i i have been

01:02:01.659 --> 01:02:04.440
doing it with the truckers for a while and doing

01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:07.599
other people's music mostly but it definitely

01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:11.190
pushed me into one and really want to try and

01:02:11.190 --> 01:02:14.929
get my stuff done more and try to not get any

01:02:14.929 --> 01:02:19.010
younger so none of us are no before i let you

01:02:19.010 --> 01:02:21.570
go can you've alluded to a few of these past

01:02:21.570 --> 01:02:23.889
projects and current pro can you just like list

01:02:23.889 --> 01:02:26.190
if people want to listen to more of your music

01:02:26.190 --> 01:02:28.469
like solo music can you list some of those older

01:02:28.469 --> 01:02:30.309
bands that are especially ones that are available

01:02:30.309 --> 01:02:34.929
to find on screen sure yeah look the first band

01:02:34.929 --> 01:02:38.019
i played in When we moved here, it was a band

01:02:38.019 --> 01:02:40.099
called Love Apple. And we had an album called

01:02:40.099 --> 01:02:42.840
Tom Ryan, but it's not on streaming. And it's

01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:46.880
only released on CD in the late 90s. So that

01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:50.340
would be something in a pawn shop or thrift stores

01:02:50.340 --> 01:02:52.500
in Athens probably is where you'd probably find

01:02:52.500 --> 01:02:55.820
those. But as far as stuff that's streaming,

01:02:56.260 --> 01:03:00.500
The Possibilities, Chris and I joined The Possibilities

01:03:00.500 --> 01:03:07.000
in like late 99. We did an album with them called

01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:11.880
Way Out. I love that record. I love it too. I

01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:14.719
wish someone would put it out. If anyone hears

01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:18.920
this and wants to put it out, it's great. And

01:03:18.920 --> 01:03:23.539
they did an album before that was self -titled

01:03:23.539 --> 01:03:26.300
The Possibilities. And then that's available

01:03:26.300 --> 01:03:30.079
as well. And before we joined. And then it's

01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:34.380
great. And then I was in a band called Nutria

01:03:34.380 --> 01:03:38.059
after that. And there's two records, I believe,

01:03:38.099 --> 01:03:42.099
that are available streaming. And then there's

01:03:42.099 --> 01:03:47.239
a bunch of solo albums I did. First one was Mess

01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:52.480
of Happiness. That's 2011. And then I did an

01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:55.940
EP called The Bittersweet from 2015, I think.

01:03:56.380 --> 01:04:01.260
And then Back to the Hive. God, I don't know

01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:04.059
if it was 1920. It was during the pandemic, I

01:04:04.059 --> 01:04:08.820
guess we finished it. And then the last thing

01:04:08.820 --> 01:04:13.320
I did was a Gonzalo Smith with my friend Pete

01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:17.639
Smith, the lyricist. And that came out a couple

01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:20.579
of years ago. And then I just, with the Jay and

01:04:20.579 --> 01:04:23.480
the Boulevardians project, there's a fella in

01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:28.679
town, Grady Thrasher, who's a great dude. He

01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:32.980
basically wrote lyrics and had me write music

01:04:32.980 --> 01:04:34.900
and then brought all his friends in and we'd

01:04:34.900 --> 01:04:37.980
record all these songs live and started off with

01:04:37.980 --> 01:04:41.300
like 20s, 30s sounding jazz stuff. And then now

01:04:41.300 --> 01:04:44.099
it's just all kinds of spans, all kinds of different

01:04:44.099 --> 01:04:46.860
styles. And John Neff's playing with us now too.

01:04:46.980 --> 01:04:50.260
So now we have Killer Pedal Steel. saxophones

01:04:50.260 --> 01:04:53.539
and it's i saw him saturday night yeah yeah yeah

01:04:53.539 --> 01:04:56.559
he's awesome and i love being able to play with

01:04:56.559 --> 01:04:59.659
him again in that project and then i played briefly

01:04:59.659 --> 01:05:05.179
with the bad ends and he's in that too and and

01:05:05.179 --> 01:05:08.599
that was a lot of fun and i'm sure there's more

01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:10.860
but that those are the main things that i've

01:05:10.860 --> 01:05:13.659
been doing i can add anything you didn't mention

01:05:13.659 --> 01:05:18.000
to the description last year we released on a

01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:22.940
local cassette label, Attaboy Tapes. This project

01:05:22.940 --> 01:05:26.820
I did probably 2006, 2007. Oh, cool. We called

01:05:26.820 --> 01:05:29.519
it the Inflatable Orchestra, which was all instrumental.

01:05:29.980 --> 01:05:35.440
And so that's streaming now, too. Oh, it's not

01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:40.699
only on cassette. Yeah, yeah. I think it's streaming.

01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:42.440
I don't know. I haven't checked, but I'm pretty

01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:45.150
sure it is. But I have cassettes if anyone wants

01:05:45.150 --> 01:05:46.550
them. That's the other thing is I need to put

01:05:46.550 --> 01:05:50.250
stuff up on Bandcamp because I have stacks of

01:05:50.250 --> 01:05:54.090
vinyl and stuff in my house. Yeah, I did a 45

01:05:54.090 --> 01:05:57.409
also with the band Eyelids from Portland, a friend

01:05:57.409 --> 01:05:59.869
of mine. And that was really fun where I wrote

01:05:59.869 --> 01:06:02.230
a song and they played it, recorded it, and they

01:06:02.230 --> 01:06:04.429
wrote a song and I recorded it. And it's really

01:06:04.429 --> 01:06:06.530
cool. That's awesome. I love that concept. Yeah,

01:06:06.630 --> 01:06:10.889
it's great. You can find it on there. Man, you're

01:06:10.889 --> 01:06:15.829
busy. Yeah, I am and I'm not. This is all over

01:06:15.829 --> 01:06:18.570
a long period of time. And there's also a lot

01:06:18.570 --> 01:06:21.130
of unreleased stuff. And now I'm working on a

01:06:21.130 --> 01:06:23.289
movie with a friend. So I'm trying to get into

01:06:23.289 --> 01:06:26.130
playing guitar. He's scoring this movie and I'm

01:06:26.130 --> 01:06:28.590
playing guitar because he's a keyboard player

01:06:28.590 --> 01:06:31.769
and he needs guitar. So I've been learning how

01:06:31.769 --> 01:06:35.530
to do that. So I definitely want to get into

01:06:35.530 --> 01:06:38.849
that more. So that's been honestly keeping me

01:06:38.849 --> 01:06:43.710
busier. real work like the band stuff is i'm

01:06:43.710 --> 01:06:46.929
not saying it's not work but it's it doesn't

01:06:46.929 --> 01:06:50.210
it's not it's you get together you do stuff you

01:06:50.210 --> 01:06:52.150
write songs there's breaks in between you play

01:06:52.150 --> 01:06:55.010
live it's all there it's also what i know how

01:06:55.010 --> 01:06:57.949
to do but then this is writing to picture and

01:06:57.949 --> 01:07:01.610
strict deadlines When somebody's, like, managing

01:07:01.610 --> 01:07:03.710
the tour and all the, like, telling you where

01:07:03.710 --> 01:07:05.550
you need to be, when you need to be there, and

01:07:05.550 --> 01:07:08.610
all that sort of thing. Yeah, when I do my tours,

01:07:08.670 --> 01:07:10.630
it's only basically when someone asks me to open

01:07:10.630 --> 01:07:13.789
for them, because I can't put it all together.

01:07:15.369 --> 01:07:17.909
It's a lot. That's a whole other job. It is.

01:07:17.989 --> 01:07:21.070
It's a lot of other jobs, and I respect folks

01:07:21.070 --> 01:07:25.150
who do it. I like playing live, and I love playing

01:07:25.150 --> 01:07:27.030
with, especially with the Guilty Pleasures, with

01:07:27.030 --> 01:07:32.059
the band, but it's... Also, we can't tour all

01:07:32.059 --> 01:07:36.760
the time. I love performing live, but I think

01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:40.760
with the time I have, I try to record more when

01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:43.099
I'm not playing with the truckers or doing other

01:07:43.099 --> 01:07:45.820
stuff. It's all a matter of, again, as you get

01:07:45.820 --> 01:07:49.619
older, you try to focus your energies. I think

01:07:49.619 --> 01:07:52.159
I've always just scattered them all over the

01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:54.360
place, and now I'm just trying to hone in on

01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:57.409
stuff. I really appreciate you being here, man.

01:07:57.690 --> 01:08:01.349
It's been great. Make sure to catch the truckers

01:08:01.349 --> 01:08:04.110
this summer on a tour with Deer Tick and Thelma

01:08:04.110 --> 01:08:07.170
and the Sleaze. Real quick, tell me about the

01:08:07.170 --> 01:08:08.769
Caverns venue because I know y 'all are playing

01:08:08.769 --> 01:08:11.309
that in August and it's one of the most unique

01:08:11.309 --> 01:08:13.369
places in the world. Have you been? I have not,

01:08:13.449 --> 01:08:16.510
but I think I'm coming. You should. It's killer.

01:08:18.170 --> 01:08:20.649
It's in Tennessee somewhere and I forget exactly

01:08:20.649 --> 01:08:24.720
the town, but it's like you basically... if you

01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:28.000
walk into the cavern from the outside it's it's

01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:29.920
about a five minute walk to get to the stage

01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:33.060
so you're well in there and it's just you're

01:08:33.060 --> 01:08:36.300
playing in this huge cavern and it's cold and

01:08:36.300 --> 01:08:38.899
it's dank but it's do they make you turn it down

01:08:38.899 --> 01:08:43.340
a little bit you know i mean i remember because

01:08:43.340 --> 01:08:45.340
we played with wednesday and they were oh yeah

01:08:45.340 --> 01:08:49.279
loud and it was i'm sure you have to be under

01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:51.560
a certain decibel level but i think it seems

01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:55.029
louder because it's like just echoing and reverberating,

01:08:55.090 --> 01:08:58.210
but it sounds good. It's so big that it's, it's

01:08:58.210 --> 01:09:02.090
not like bouncing like crazy. It's pretty special.

01:09:02.289 --> 01:09:04.170
I'm looking forward. I wasn't sure if we'd ever

01:09:04.170 --> 01:09:06.810
do it again though. Yeah. Yeah. No, I was, when

01:09:06.810 --> 01:09:09.069
I saw you overdoing it again, I was like, I think

01:09:09.069 --> 01:09:12.970
I really need to make that happen. If you can

01:09:12.970 --> 01:09:14.750
catch any show there, it sounds like a really

01:09:14.750 --> 01:09:17.329
amazing place. Absolutely. Yeah. Thanks again,

01:09:17.390 --> 01:09:19.409
Jay. Thanks. Appreciate it, man. That was my

01:09:19.409 --> 01:09:21.829
interview with Jay Gonzalez, one of the nicest

01:09:21.829 --> 01:09:26.029
people in music, period. He's done incredible

01:09:26.029 --> 01:09:28.649
things over the years for people I care about.

01:09:29.529 --> 01:09:32.029
He's always made a point to come say hi to my

01:09:32.029 --> 01:09:35.649
kid when I'd bring her to shows. Just one of

01:09:35.649 --> 01:09:40.470
the best guys out there. Not to mention an incredibly

01:09:40.470 --> 01:09:43.569
prolific musician. Everything he touches sounds

01:09:43.569 --> 01:09:47.779
great. So check out all of his projects. I've

01:09:47.779 --> 01:09:50.439
got them linked in the description. Check out

01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:53.659
the Drive -By Truckers on tour right now. And

01:09:53.659 --> 01:09:57.560
check out their entire catalog. They're literally

01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:02.420
one of the best bands ever. And they just keep

01:10:02.420 --> 01:10:05.659
getting better. Thanks for listening to Overeducated

01:10:05.659 --> 01:10:08.939
and Underemployed. Thanks to Sloan Brothers for

01:10:08.939 --> 01:10:12.619
our theme song. Thanks to Lee Baines for inspiring

01:10:12.619 --> 01:10:16.319
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01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:16.659
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