WEBVTT 00:00:20.179 --> 00:00:24.269 Hi, welcome to jewelry. as your side hustle with 00:00:24.269 --> 00:00:27.370 Sugar Gay Isbur, and I'm Sugar Gay Isbur. And 00:00:27.370 --> 00:00:29.870 today we have Edie Eckman on and she is gonna 00:00:29.870 --> 00:00:32.530 tell us all about all kinds of fascinating things. 00:00:32.929 --> 00:00:35.369 Her and I know each other actually from the Cracked 00:00:35.369 --> 00:00:37.689 Industry Alliance. And I have lots of people 00:00:37.689 --> 00:00:41.530 on here from that group. So if you're a creator, 00:00:42.090 --> 00:00:44.530 get into your groups, contact me if you wanna 00:00:44.530 --> 00:00:47.409 be on my show. It's so much fun. And by the end... 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:50.340 we're going to be best friends so so good okay 00:00:50.340 --> 00:00:53.060 so welcome to my show you know this is really 00:00:53.060 --> 00:00:55.960 for entrepreneurs i i started this office saying 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:58.820 jewelry but you know because I knew a lot of 00:00:58.820 --> 00:01:00.579 jewelry makers, but they don't want to be on 00:01:00.579 --> 00:01:03.000 the show. They're all very shy. So I'm so glad 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:05.540 I've opened it to the world and other members 00:01:05.540 --> 00:01:09.359 that we know from our collective groups. And 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:11.840 I would love to hear all about you. So welcome 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:14.159 to the show. Take it away. Tell us all about 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.260 you. Well, I'm so excited to be here and I don't 00:01:17.260 --> 00:01:20.400 make jewelry. Although I guess I have made jewelry 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:24.359 because some time ago I did a crochet jewelry 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:28.019 booklet. So I don't know. I've been a professional 00:01:28.019 --> 00:01:32.040 in the, let's say, yarn industry for 30 years. 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:36.760 Wow. Almost 30 years. I base it on my daughter's 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:40.739 age. Which is always changing. Well, actually, 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:45.980 let's say 35 years, because I started by buying 00:01:45.980 --> 00:01:48.620 into a yarn shop when my baby was two months 00:01:48.620 --> 00:01:53.540 old. Wow. That's a big move. That was cool. Well, 00:01:53.540 --> 00:01:57.579 I was going to be a stay -at -home mom. And I 00:01:57.579 --> 00:02:00.659 had always worked, and so that lasted a total 00:02:00.659 --> 00:02:04.359 of about six weeks before I needed to be doing 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:07.480 something else. So the nice thing about being 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:10.139 a partner in a yarn shop at that time, this was 00:02:10.139 --> 00:02:13.300 the early 90s, was I could bring my baby to work 00:02:13.300 --> 00:02:15.939 with me. I remember those days. I took my baby 00:02:15.939 --> 00:02:18.919 to work too. So my baby came to work with me, 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:21.520 and then my other baby came to work with me 20 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:25.729 months later. Yeah, I had children at work with 00:02:25.729 --> 00:02:28.990 me for a while. It's really good for them because 00:02:28.990 --> 00:02:32.349 they get like the work ethic I think comes from 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:35.520 seeing their mother just like, you know, being 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:37.819 an entrepreneur and a business owner, that's 00:02:37.819 --> 00:02:41.719 a whole different slog than, you know, than people 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:44.039 that have a nine to five, you've got this whole 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:45.979 different mindset, because it's like 24 hours 00:02:45.979 --> 00:02:48.460 a day, right? Right. Right. And you're not to 00:02:48.460 --> 00:02:52.699 be entrepreneurial? Well, no, but no, and yes. 00:02:53.770 --> 00:02:56.569 they didn't stay, they didn't stay in retail 00:02:56.569 --> 00:02:58.990 very long and I didn't stay in retail very long. 00:02:59.289 --> 00:03:02.449 I learned every, I used to say every 10 years 00:03:02.449 --> 00:03:04.629 I would do some kind of retail gig and then go, 00:03:04.689 --> 00:03:07.849 oh yeah, retail's not really for me. Retail sucks. 00:03:08.990 --> 00:03:10.889 I've had three stores, I can say that. I was 00:03:10.889 --> 00:03:13.550 a yarn shop co -owner for five years and then 00:03:13.550 --> 00:03:17.669 that was, that was it and I moved on to something 00:03:17.669 --> 00:03:20.469 else because I didn't I didn't want to do retail. 00:03:20.909 --> 00:03:25.879 So I have great respect for retail. businesses 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:30.120 because it's really hard. You have to be nice 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:32.979 to people all the time. It's just, it's tough. 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:35.479 The general public has just really got a thing. 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:38.400 I have so many memories of just going, did that 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.520 really just happen? I remember telling my parents, 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:45.520 even when I was in high school, which was my 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:48.120 first experience with retail was that I really 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:52.379 like people, but I don't like the public. So 00:03:52.379 --> 00:03:56.169 retail is not really for me. I think the one 00:03:56.169 --> 00:04:00.590 story that always just goes into my head, I had 00:04:00.590 --> 00:04:03.330 a brand new store that was spectacular. I had 00:04:03.330 --> 00:04:06.389 built it from ground up. It was a big deal. I 00:04:06.389 --> 00:04:09.270 had somebody that was homeless came in and said, 00:04:09.430 --> 00:04:10.969 oh, can I just go to the bathroom? I'm like, 00:04:11.389 --> 00:04:13.490 I understand. Sure, use the bathroom. It was 00:04:13.490 --> 00:04:16.350 right there. She came out a few minutes later. 00:04:16.470 --> 00:04:18.970 A little bit later, we walked in there. She had 00:04:18.970 --> 00:04:21.610 destroyed the bathroom. I mean, the toilet had 00:04:21.610 --> 00:04:24.329 to be repaired. I mean, like, it was broken. 00:04:24.970 --> 00:04:27.370 Like, how in, like, the three minutes that she 00:04:27.370 --> 00:04:31.610 was in there, did she just... So yeah, the general 00:04:31.610 --> 00:04:35.029 public. Nobody tells you that part about being 00:04:35.029 --> 00:04:39.910 in retail. So when we closed the yarn shop, I 00:04:39.910 --> 00:04:44.389 decided I had been doing designs, knit designs. 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:46.879 custom designs for people you know they couldn't 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.060 find a pattern they liked remember this was just 00:04:50.060 --> 00:04:54.360 like before the internet really early 90s so 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:58.189 you couldn't patterns came from magazines So 00:04:58.189 --> 00:05:00.009 knitting patterns, crochet patterns all came 00:05:00.009 --> 00:05:03.170 from magazines or books or yarn companies where 00:05:03.170 --> 00:05:04.949 you would go to the shop and you would buy a 00:05:04.949 --> 00:05:07.149 pattern. So sometimes people couldn't find what 00:05:07.149 --> 00:05:10.089 they wanted or they wanted something to fit because 00:05:10.089 --> 00:05:12.709 they had an interesting body shape as we all 00:05:12.709 --> 00:05:16.170 do. So I had been doing sort of custom designing 00:05:16.170 --> 00:05:19.569 before when I had the shop and I thought, oh, 00:05:19.610 --> 00:05:21.889 I need to stay, I've been buying yarn at wholesale. 00:05:22.029 --> 00:05:27.730 So I needed to like keep myself in yarn. send 00:05:27.730 --> 00:05:30.250 a proposal to a magazine because I looked at 00:05:30.250 --> 00:05:33.050 a magazine, I thought, I've done better work 00:05:33.050 --> 00:05:36.110 than this. And the first proposal I ever sent 00:05:36.110 --> 00:05:39.750 to a magazine was accepted. And I thought, this 00:05:39.750 --> 00:05:45.290 is easy. Of course, it's not that easy, but it 00:05:45.290 --> 00:05:50.949 seemed like it was easy. I even had, it was for 00:05:50.949 --> 00:05:54.930 a felted pot holder, I think. And the letter 00:05:54.930 --> 00:05:57.149 that I sent, and this was a letter. This is like 00:05:57.149 --> 00:06:00.250 a typed, mailed letter. This shows you how old 00:06:00.250 --> 00:06:02.470 I am. We were mailing letters through the post. 00:06:02.470 --> 00:06:04.089 I remember these days. You remember that? You 00:06:04.089 --> 00:06:07.189 leave a stamp and all that. And the letter that 00:06:07.189 --> 00:06:10.670 I had sent was just, please consider my proposal 00:06:10.670 --> 00:06:13.689 for this design, whatever. And that didn't seem 00:06:13.689 --> 00:06:17.490 long enough to fill the page. So I also wrote. 00:06:18.170 --> 00:06:21.370 felting has been popular in my area recently, 00:06:21.389 --> 00:06:24.470 I'd be happy to write an article to go with the 00:06:24.470 --> 00:06:28.209 design. And a few days later, I got an acceptance 00:06:28.209 --> 00:06:31.389 for both the design and the article. So look, 00:06:31.689 --> 00:06:33.709 that's what they call it, right? I was like, 00:06:34.290 --> 00:06:37.069 this is easy. Now I worked with that editor for 00:06:37.069 --> 00:06:40.290 many years and probably eight years later, I 00:06:40.290 --> 00:06:44.079 said, Jean, how did you like, you never heard 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:46.399 of me, how did you know that I could even write 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.480 an article? And she said, we could tell from 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.860 your, let's face it, it was a four sentence letter. 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:54.060 She said, we could tell from your letter that 00:06:54.060 --> 00:06:56.220 you could write well enough, we could edit it 00:06:56.220 --> 00:07:02.920 if we needed to. I was like, okay. So that's 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:05.779 how my design career kind of got started was 00:07:05.779 --> 00:07:10.740 just not on a whim, but it was me trying to somehow 00:07:10.740 --> 00:07:15.220 monetize Just enough to keep myself in yarn because 00:07:15.220 --> 00:07:20.019 Yeah Well, of course I used to live in Canada 00:07:20.019 --> 00:07:22.279 where people wore a lot of sweaters and so I 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.899 was heavily into a knitting group But they were 00:07:25.899 --> 00:07:29.420 really also spinners and weavers Which is I it's 00:07:29.420 --> 00:07:31.620 like the precursor to you because they got to 00:07:31.620 --> 00:07:34.620 spin the wool in order to get right and it was 00:07:34.620 --> 00:07:38.579 fascinating these girls They literally it was 00:07:38.579 --> 00:07:41.079 like that. They were from ancient times it was 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:43.759 like they were from like 3 ,000 years ago because 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:49.060 they could walk and Spin as they walked because 00:07:49.060 --> 00:07:52.180 as they explained back then you weren't sitting 00:07:52.180 --> 00:07:55.019 around you were spinning in order to make a You 00:07:55.019 --> 00:07:57.680 know a little bit of fabric took a lot of stuff 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:00.839 to make and you know, so it's an ancient craft 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:04.360 It's like so old like it's from the beginnings 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:07.629 of man. They figured this out you know after 00:08:07.629 --> 00:08:11.610 bear skins got a little rough they're like oh 00:08:11.610 --> 00:08:13.970 let's make this hair and a little something smoother. 00:08:14.550 --> 00:08:16.810 We have to figure out how to make fabric right? 00:08:17.009 --> 00:08:20.629 I mean seriously it goes back so far do you feel 00:08:20.629 --> 00:08:24.670 part of that that history that heritage that 00:08:24.670 --> 00:08:29.129 eons ago kind of a. Right and the thing about 00:08:29.129 --> 00:08:31.800 modern Knitting and crocheting and spinning and 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:34.500 weaving and and whatever needle felting all of 00:08:34.500 --> 00:08:38.100 those We're we're in matched. Of course back 00:08:38.100 --> 00:08:42.059 then we were everybody Everybody knew how to 00:08:42.059 --> 00:08:45.200 do all the things because that's how you yeah 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:48.419 finished clothing, right? But I just got back 00:08:48.419 --> 00:08:50.059 from Maryland sheep and wool. Well, I just got 00:08:50.059 --> 00:08:52.320 back from H &H America's but for that I went 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:54.659 to Maryland sheep and wool where we where we 00:08:54.659 --> 00:08:58.960 have the shepherds and we have the spinners and 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:02.379 we have the dyers and we have just the entire 00:09:02.379 --> 00:09:06.100 gamut from wool on the hoof all the way through 00:09:06.100 --> 00:09:09.460 the finest shawls and sweaters and so on. So 00:09:09.460 --> 00:09:11.759 that's fun. That Maryland sheep and wool and 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:14.899 then Rhineback, of course, in the fall are two 00:09:14.899 --> 00:09:18.039 of the big fiber festivals. And if you are a 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:23.720 yarn fanatic, go to those because that's really 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:27.139 it's for all ages and and you know if you're 00:09:27.139 --> 00:09:29.720 into jewelry there's stuff there you're interested 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:32.980 in too so it's it's a really fun type of event 00:09:32.980 --> 00:09:36.980 to go to. I had somebody from our group on um 00:09:36.980 --> 00:09:38.539 I forgot her name right now but she only uses 00:09:38.539 --> 00:09:43.399 like one breed of whatever her sheep. goats. 00:09:43.500 --> 00:09:46.340 I'm not sure which one it was, but and then like 00:09:46.340 --> 00:09:49.159 that that is like what she searches for this 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:53.100 one kind of breed that's within like a radius 00:09:53.100 --> 00:09:55.399 where she could drive to to go get their yarn. 00:09:55.659 --> 00:09:58.019 Are you kind of like that too, like very specialized? 00:09:58.139 --> 00:10:02.639 No, I am very much a generalist and I generally 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:06.860 use commercially available yarn because I need, 00:10:07.059 --> 00:10:10.539 I do this for a living, you know, and sometimes 00:10:10.539 --> 00:10:14.330 we We have to either specialize or generalize 00:10:14.330 --> 00:10:17.110 depending on what our business plan is so I do 00:10:17.110 --> 00:10:20.509 tend to use I'm not a spinner. I'm going to I'm 00:10:20.509 --> 00:10:24.409 going to spin when I retire But I'm not retired 00:10:24.409 --> 00:10:27.590 yet, so I'll take that up later, but I certainly 00:10:27.590 --> 00:10:30.450 know plenty of spinners But I generally use yarn 00:10:30.450 --> 00:10:33.950 that you can purchase At a yarn shop because 00:10:33.950 --> 00:10:36.409 if I'm selling patterns or I'm teaching or something 00:10:36.409 --> 00:10:39.980 people want to be able to use the same yarn exactly 00:10:39.980 --> 00:10:43.360 and the colors that are available which is the 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:46.340 other problem is because on custom dyed things 00:10:46.340 --> 00:10:48.299 and people will be like oh what's that about 00:10:48.299 --> 00:10:50.740 because i don't have that it's like yeah so tell 00:10:50.740 --> 00:10:54.600 me a little bit about h &h because i Could have 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:57.159 gone I didn't go. I just kind of have a lot going 00:10:57.159 --> 00:11:00.360 on. I'm I'm still reeling from it It was a lot 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:04.200 of peopling, you know, it's a big show. It was 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.620 bigger this year than last year that it's full 00:11:07.620 --> 00:11:11.240 of yarn and fabric and there were embroidery 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:16.980 kits and and needle felting and Wow, I mean I 00:11:16.980 --> 00:11:19.539 think there were 24 aisles and I don't know how 00:11:19.539 --> 00:11:22.690 many vendors but I was there for the whole show 00:11:22.690 --> 00:11:25.470 for three full days. I didn't get to everything. 00:11:26.009 --> 00:11:29.370 Um, it was, it was enormous. This is for those 00:11:29.370 --> 00:11:32.330 who don't know the H and H America's trade show 00:11:32.330 --> 00:11:36.389 is where yarn shops and fabric shops and designers 00:11:36.389 --> 00:11:39.750 and any anybody in the yarn or fabric industry 00:11:39.750 --> 00:11:43.409 goes to learn about new products and meet with 00:11:43.409 --> 00:11:47.110 vendors and network with each other and had an 00:11:47.110 --> 00:11:50.690 amazing time and didn't sleep much and Lots of 00:11:50.690 --> 00:11:53.389 people came home with COVID so far so good. I 00:11:53.389 --> 00:11:57.210 seem to be okay. Wouldn't have occurred to me 00:11:57.210 --> 00:11:59.470 that that would be what was on the radar, but 00:11:59.470 --> 00:12:02.690 that's okay. Apparently a lot of people, you 00:12:02.690 --> 00:12:04.870 know, there was a lot of talking going on. We 00:12:04.870 --> 00:12:08.429 were talking to each other a lot. Which is of 00:12:08.429 --> 00:12:11.190 course. The energy, it must have been so great. 00:12:11.330 --> 00:12:13.970 Did you come home like inspired and like with 00:12:13.970 --> 00:12:17.019 some new ideas? I have an entire notebook of 00:12:17.019 --> 00:12:19.559 follow -up emails that I need to be sending or 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:23.419 have sent. And yeah, and it's just taken me three 00:12:23.419 --> 00:12:26.120 days. This is Thursday. I don't even know what 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:30.379 day it is. It's taking me several days just to 00:12:30.379 --> 00:12:32.940 kind of unpack and figure out where my head is. 00:12:33.220 --> 00:12:37.129 Did you see Abby? I did see Abby. I saw Abby 00:12:37.129 --> 00:12:39.389 a couple of times. She was up at the front of 00:12:39.389 --> 00:12:42.669 the room a lot of times, behind the microphone 00:12:42.669 --> 00:12:46.409 and behind the podium. She's wonderful. She gets 00:12:46.409 --> 00:12:50.210 my hats off. I know she's the real deal. She 00:12:50.210 --> 00:12:53.889 really cares about her peeps. And I hope that 00:12:53.889 --> 00:12:56.990 she makes it to H &H Europe, or whatever they 00:12:56.990 --> 00:12:59.669 call it over there, because that would be a whole 00:12:59.669 --> 00:13:05.250 other level of action. But not that that would 00:13:05.250 --> 00:13:08.509 be anything bad, but it's also kind of good to 00:13:08.509 --> 00:13:11.610 know your American counterparts and who all's 00:13:11.610 --> 00:13:15.169 here. Well, and I met a fair number of people 00:13:15.169 --> 00:13:19.009 from the UK as well, and there was a whole German 00:13:19.009 --> 00:13:23.789 pavilion with, because of course H &H is, Colin 00:13:23.789 --> 00:13:26.509 Misa I think runs it, and they're a German company, 00:13:26.610 --> 00:13:30.590 so there was a whole German pavilion. Irish, 00:13:30.649 --> 00:13:33.370 like I say, there were a lot of people from other 00:13:33.370 --> 00:13:35.470 countries, Mexico. And that makes sense because 00:13:35.470 --> 00:13:38.049 they do a lot of, it's a lot colder there. I 00:13:38.049 --> 00:13:40.870 mean, like in Texas, you know, I was wearing 00:13:40.870 --> 00:13:42.529 a sweater here in the house yesterday, but that's 00:13:42.529 --> 00:13:47.850 because I had the AC on too low. But I also know 00:13:47.850 --> 00:13:50.789 that when I lived in Canada, I was making pins 00:13:50.789 --> 00:13:54.009 that coordinated with the really beautiful yarns 00:13:54.009 --> 00:13:56.289 that they had like all these multi -colors and 00:13:56.289 --> 00:13:58.450 then they would like that's what you would close 00:13:58.450 --> 00:14:01.649 your shawl with right but here we just don't 00:14:01.649 --> 00:14:06.190 see in Texas you know our warm weather is more 00:14:06.190 --> 00:14:08.529 than our cold weather right you don't have a 00:14:08.529 --> 00:14:11.789 lot of need for all that maybe a beanie cap or 00:14:11.789 --> 00:14:14.710 a scarf something like that that's like your 00:14:14.710 --> 00:14:17.190 beautiful scarf you have on today which i'm sure 00:14:17.190 --> 00:14:21.860 you made it is and this is cotton So it would 00:14:21.860 --> 00:14:24.940 be something you would wear in Texas for too 00:14:24.940 --> 00:14:27.720 much air conditioning. And it has a lot of holes 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:30.059 in it. It has a lot of holes in it, as does the 00:14:30.059 --> 00:14:32.740 one behind me. Oh, that's beautiful, too. That's 00:14:32.740 --> 00:14:36.120 gorgeous. It can be a scarf or a shawl. I grew 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:38.460 up in Georgia, so although I live in Virginia 00:14:38.460 --> 00:14:42.820 now, where we do have some cold weather, I don't 00:14:42.820 --> 00:14:45.100 think I had a winter coat every winter when I 00:14:45.100 --> 00:14:47.419 was growing up because we just didn't need it. 00:14:47.500 --> 00:14:52.159 So yeah, I know what you mean. Well, what was 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:53.960 some of the new stuff that you found that was 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:56.720 really interesting that you saw at this convention? 00:14:56.820 --> 00:15:00.019 Because you're a great spot for us to get a little 00:15:00.019 --> 00:15:02.980 bit of behind the curtain of what we missed. 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:06.179 Right. Well, I will admit that I spent more time 00:15:06.179 --> 00:15:09.360 with the yarn people than the fabric people. 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:12.139 So that's just because there were so many boots. 00:15:12.179 --> 00:15:15.220 So I can't really speak to the fabric as much. 00:15:15.580 --> 00:15:20.480 What I did see a lot of were craft kits, needle 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:25.320 felting, embroidery, wood, like little wood ornament 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:30.720 kits. So there seems to be a trend where people 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:32.919 want, like they're branching out a little bit 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:35.799 into other crafts. And so there were quite a 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:41.360 few interesting kits available that were not 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:46.090 knitting, crochet, or sewing. necessarily. So 00:15:46.090 --> 00:15:50.009 that was kind of the main thing I saw. I didn't 00:15:50.009 --> 00:15:54.970 see a huge amount of what I thought was new yarn. 00:15:56.029 --> 00:16:00.210 There was an interesting new C cell yarn. So 00:16:00.210 --> 00:16:03.730 yarn made from seaweed, which was an interesting 00:16:03.730 --> 00:16:06.330 thing. And I've, and I heard buzz. There was, 00:16:06.389 --> 00:16:08.309 there was one company that had it, but then I 00:16:08.309 --> 00:16:11.230 heard some buzz that some other companies are 00:16:11.230 --> 00:16:15.309 coming out with a similar fiber. I guess fiber. 00:16:16.429 --> 00:16:19.370 So that will be interesting to see and what I 00:16:19.370 --> 00:16:23.110 felt felt really nice so I'm going to be excited 00:16:23.110 --> 00:16:26.149 about. Oh exciting. I saw something yesterday 00:16:26.149 --> 00:16:29.509 about how pineapples had been used for fiber 00:16:29.509 --> 00:16:32.070 for a really long time and I was like I don't 00:16:32.070 --> 00:16:34.070 know how that works but I can't even imagine 00:16:34.070 --> 00:16:40.039 like 10 times more I can't imagine seaweed. You 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:43.419 know, some magic happens between the ocean and 00:16:43.419 --> 00:16:45.860 the ball of yarn, and we have to know what that 00:16:45.860 --> 00:16:50.679 is. It's like it's got to dry. And some other 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:54.840 stuff, right? Well, I love it that we're all 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:58.240 being more adventuresome and trying our new products 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:01.919 and that also all of these technologies are really 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:03.899 trying to, I mean, I don't think you can ever 00:17:03.899 --> 00:17:08.220 replace an Angora sheep or a rabbit or whatever 00:17:08.220 --> 00:17:11.579 for that softness. But if they're figuring out 00:17:11.579 --> 00:17:13.380 things, I just read that they figured out how 00:17:13.380 --> 00:17:17.799 to make wood stronger than steel. These are really 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:20.539 big things that we don't know how they will develop. 00:17:20.670 --> 00:17:22.890 in the years to come, but it's certainly on our 00:17:22.890 --> 00:17:27.009 radar. I'm always looking to see what's out there 00:17:27.009 --> 00:17:30.930 that's new and product -wise because that interests 00:17:30.930 --> 00:17:35.390 me, right? And some of the discussion that I 00:17:35.390 --> 00:17:38.430 heard in the aisles and so on was certainly around 00:17:38.430 --> 00:17:42.849 sustainability. We want to save the planet and 00:17:42.849 --> 00:17:46.769 reuse things at the same time. We need to keep 00:17:46.769 --> 00:17:50.079 our stores in business. And if everybody is reusing, 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:52.940 recycle, go to thrift stores. Taking apart their 00:17:52.940 --> 00:17:55.380 old sweaters. Taking apart their old sweaters 00:17:55.380 --> 00:17:57.500 then they're not buying you and that's not supporting 00:17:57.500 --> 00:18:01.839 the business of maintaining our local yarn shop 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:05.880 or in local fabric shops. So it's an interesting 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:10.200 dichotomy where we're trying to sort of balance 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:14.200 what sort of materials we're using and what we're 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:18.140 taking from the earth versus you know, we also 00:18:18.140 --> 00:18:21.279 want, like, I want my local yarn shops to succeed 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:24.180 and my local small businesses to succeed. So 00:18:24.180 --> 00:18:26.740 that was just kind of an interesting discussions 00:18:26.740 --> 00:18:29.819 going on around that topic. Yeah, because ships, 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:32.960 their fur is always going to grow and it has 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:36.220 to come off every year. So that's a product of 00:18:36.220 --> 00:18:38.579 something, like it's got to be made into something. 00:18:38.859 --> 00:18:41.880 It just can't be like, you know, gotten rid of. 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:45.539 So these are really, these are things that really, 00:18:45.819 --> 00:18:49.440 I think it's such a great material to be using 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:51.259 up things that are naturally, it's not hurting 00:18:51.259 --> 00:18:54.359 an animal, for example, it's just, you know, 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:58.420 and it doesn't require a lot of energy. Like 00:18:58.420 --> 00:19:01.539 if you were melting down metals or something, 00:19:01.619 --> 00:19:04.119 you know, there's a lot of, but this is just 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:06.279 kind of like somebody goes out there and then 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:08.240 there's all the behind the scenes. But I'm just 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:11.589 saying, like, it's a pretty, It's a low -tech, 00:19:11.849 --> 00:19:14.390 high -tech world out there. Well, and that's 00:19:14.390 --> 00:19:16.549 maybe for sheep's wool, but there's so many other 00:19:16.549 --> 00:19:20.190 fibers and I can't pretend to speak knowledgeably 00:19:20.190 --> 00:19:23.309 about the environmental impact of any particular 00:19:23.309 --> 00:19:26.509 fiber. It's just something that was kind of in 00:19:26.509 --> 00:19:29.470 the wind, if you will. Yeah, it's a discussion 00:19:29.470 --> 00:19:31.529 for sure because right now we have everything 00:19:31.529 --> 00:19:34.269 else that's being taxed or tariffed or whatever 00:19:34.269 --> 00:19:36.930 to death. So, and I'm sure there's a lot of great 00:19:36.930 --> 00:19:40.000 fibers that are just made here in the U .S. So 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:41.960 you're, you know, you must have a pretty good 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:44.880 pool. So now let's talk about your patterning. 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:47.839 So I've had people on here that were crochet 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:49.720 people and I've had people that are knitting 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:52.440 people. So I know you kind of do a little bit 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:57.039 of both, right? Right. So I started as a knitwear 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:01.240 designer and knitting was all the thing. Crochet 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:03.980 is having a moment now. Finally, should I say 00:20:03.980 --> 00:20:07.279 finally? I was a professional knitwear designer. 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:10.200 In other words, I was getting paid to design 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:13.279 sweaters and other things for a decade before 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:17.480 I ever started doing crochet. And I got a call 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:21.640 one day in 2004, maybe out of the blue. Is that 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:23.900 right? I can't even remember what year it was. 00:20:24.579 --> 00:20:28.180 90, 92, yeah, 2004. Maybe 20, 21 years ago. What 00:20:28.180 --> 00:20:32.400 year are we in now? I don't know. Somebody said, 00:20:32.819 --> 00:20:34.759 this is, I'm not gonna say your name, but this 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:39.319 is so -and -so from Story Publishing. We heard 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:41.759 that you know how to crochet, and I said, yes. 00:20:41.819 --> 00:20:44.539 This was an actual phone call. I'm holding my 00:20:44.539 --> 00:20:48.279 hands like we phone. It was that kind of phone, 00:20:48.420 --> 00:20:50.480 you know, regular landline. It wasn't this kind 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:53.960 of a phone. It was a punch button, but it was 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:58.579 still a phone phone. And I said, Yes, and she 00:20:58.579 --> 00:21:01.180 said we we're thinking about doing a book and 00:21:01.180 --> 00:21:03.220 we would wonder a crochet book. Would you like 00:21:03.220 --> 00:21:06.279 to write it and I was like How did you get my 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:08.839 name? And she said we've been working with Margaret 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:11.579 Radcliffe who was doing a similar book for knitting 00:21:11.579 --> 00:21:15.119 and we asked her if she knew anybody Who crocheted 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:17.119 and and she gave us your name now Margaret and 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:18.700 I have known each other for a long time We're 00:21:18.700 --> 00:21:21.579 both knitwear designers. Um, you know back in 00:21:21.579 --> 00:21:25.299 the day. So I said, I don't know that I know 00:21:25.299 --> 00:21:27.579 enough about crochet I mean, yes, I know how 00:21:27.579 --> 00:21:29.140 to do it, but I don't know that I know enough 00:21:29.140 --> 00:21:30.759 to write a book and she said, well, just think 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:33.640 of all the questions you have and then answer 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:36.920 them. And so I did and it became the crochet 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:39.240 answer book which is sold hundreds of thousands 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:46.440 of copies. It fell into my lap for me to say 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:49.539 yes to this thing that I. didn't know if I knew 00:21:49.539 --> 00:21:53.539 how to do it. But then from then on I became 00:21:53.539 --> 00:21:56.140 known as a crocheter. I've written several other 00:21:56.140 --> 00:21:59.000 crochet books which most people know me for. 00:21:59.019 --> 00:22:02.660 They don't know that I knit. I'm actually a pretty 00:22:02.660 --> 00:22:07.019 good knitter. But I also, lately I've been doing 00:22:07.019 --> 00:22:11.140 a lot of technical editing for knit and crochet 00:22:11.140 --> 00:22:15.670 because it's hard to make living as just a knit 00:22:15.670 --> 00:22:19.250 or crochet designer. So I do a lot of other things 00:22:19.250 --> 00:22:23.549 and always have. I've always had multiple income 00:22:23.549 --> 00:22:27.690 streams over the over the decades to sustain 00:22:27.690 --> 00:22:30.750 myself. Yeah, it really is. It is the answer. 00:22:30.829 --> 00:22:32.589 I mean right now jewelry sales, for example, 00:22:32.809 --> 00:22:35.769 are way down because nobody's going to work and 00:22:35.769 --> 00:22:37.789 dressing up and they're not buying things. Right. 00:22:37.950 --> 00:22:40.430 But I've pivoted to books and I'm having fun 00:22:40.430 --> 00:22:43.630 with that. So it's constantly you got to be thinking, 00:22:43.910 --> 00:22:46.930 okay, what am I gonna do? So, I mean. Right, 00:22:46.990 --> 00:22:49.630 and a lot of people think, oh, it would be so 00:22:49.630 --> 00:22:53.309 nice to just have a job where you can sit and 00:22:53.309 --> 00:22:56.789 knit or make jewelry or crochet all day. And 00:22:56.789 --> 00:23:01.069 the number of hours I do that compared to the 00:23:01.069 --> 00:23:03.990 number of hours I do all the other things, I 00:23:03.990 --> 00:23:07.150 probably spend, I don't know, 3 % of my time 00:23:07.150 --> 00:23:14.119 producing an item. compared to all the other 00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:17.900 stuff that goes with that. So it's certainly 00:23:17.900 --> 00:23:23.640 not sitting around crocheting. I have a full 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:27.900 -time job for a multinational giant company but 00:23:27.900 --> 00:23:30.920 yet when I'm not busy my other computer is right 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:35.119 next to that one and I segue over or make my 00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:37.779 jewelry or pack jewelry or whatever I do like 00:23:37.779 --> 00:23:41.039 it's a constant like but I do put in at least 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:45.019 11 hours five days a week and then half of a 00:23:45.019 --> 00:23:47.539 day on the weekend so I get a day and a half 00:23:47.539 --> 00:23:50.660 off geez to clean the house and all that kind 00:23:50.660 --> 00:23:53.660 of stuff but you know because as an entrepreneur 00:23:53.660 --> 00:23:58.599 it takes grit it takes survival skills just to 00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:01.339 be able to keep my hat in the game. So I am with 00:24:01.339 --> 00:24:06.140 you, doll. It's a lot of fun. My husband, if 00:24:06.140 --> 00:24:09.140 you said, oh, would you like do this little entrepreneurial 00:24:09.140 --> 00:24:12.039 thing, he would cry, like literally man tears, 00:24:12.819 --> 00:24:15.819 like can't handle the thought of that. But then 00:24:15.819 --> 00:24:17.920 there's us, people like us, we're like, we can 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:19.420 pivot to this, we can pivot to that, we can go 00:24:19.420 --> 00:24:22.420 to this, we can, you know, it's just. And when 00:24:22.420 --> 00:24:25.680 COVID came, I had been traveling a lot. I had 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:29.019 been, on the road teaching at least, you know, 00:24:29.099 --> 00:24:33.339 probably 15 times a year. So hopping on and spending 00:24:33.339 --> 00:24:36.160 a lot of weekends away from home and COVID came 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:39.000 along and everybody's like, oh, I have to work 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.319 from home. And I'm like, oh, I get to work from 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.039 home because I don't have to get on an airplane. 00:24:44.180 --> 00:24:47.619 So that was, you know, that was a change, but 00:24:47.619 --> 00:24:50.319 it wasn't that much of a change because I was 00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:54.140 already working from home. I wasn't getting dressed 00:24:54.140 --> 00:24:58.569 and going to an office. I was getting dressed 00:24:58.569 --> 00:25:02.309 -ish and walking into my office. So my commute 00:25:02.309 --> 00:25:06.809 didn't change at all. I love being at home, I 00:25:06.809 --> 00:25:09.470 have to say. That was the best thing that ever 00:25:09.470 --> 00:25:12.490 came out of COVID. So I remember the day I came 00:25:12.490 --> 00:25:15.349 home, I'm like, ah, yeah, I'm liking this. Although 00:25:15.349 --> 00:25:19.779 it just also ramps up your other parts. I'm responsible 00:25:19.779 --> 00:25:21.660 for keeping the house clean and you know making 00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:23.160 sure dinner's on the table and the groceries 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:25.420 are on you know like because I'm home but it 00:25:25.420 --> 00:25:28.079 is what it is well but you have you have to draw 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:33.019 those lines and say I am working these hours 00:25:33.019 --> 00:25:39.259 and like you have to not let it seep into work 00:25:39.259 --> 00:25:43.119 which is something I had balanced for years already 00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:45.980 because I was already working from home and and 00:25:45.980 --> 00:25:48.789 raising children and you know, keeping the house, 00:25:48.890 --> 00:25:52.049 whatever. So, you know, just protecting that 00:25:52.049 --> 00:25:55.089 work time, I think, is an important skill to 00:25:55.089 --> 00:25:59.150 learn. Oh, for sure. Time management, too. So, 00:25:59.230 --> 00:26:01.950 I know. So, tell me about your online presence. 00:26:02.029 --> 00:26:06.789 Where can people find you? Well, I am Edie Eckman. 00:26:07.069 --> 00:26:10.450 everywhere. I don't have a business name. I started 00:26:10.450 --> 00:26:13.630 doing this before it ever occurred to us. Well, 00:26:13.690 --> 00:26:16.430 I started doing it before we had an online presence. 00:26:16.589 --> 00:26:21.549 And so I'm Edie Eckman, E -D -I -E -E -C -K -M 00:26:21.549 --> 00:26:27.269 -A -N on Instagram, Blue Sky, YouTube, Facebook. 00:26:28.289 --> 00:26:30.970 My email address, like my website is EdieEckman 00:26:30.970 --> 00:26:33.990 .com. So I am not hard to find. If you Google 00:26:33.990 --> 00:26:38.309 Edie Eckman, You will find me. Actually, I just 00:26:38.309 --> 00:26:40.490 Googled myself because, and I put on Facebook 00:26:40.490 --> 00:26:44.009 to remind everybody, Google yourself and put 00:26:44.009 --> 00:26:47.630 Google alerts on your name because I saw some 00:26:47.630 --> 00:26:49.269 stuff on there. I'm like, oh, look at that. I 00:26:49.269 --> 00:26:51.950 made it in here. My books are now in Great Britain. 00:26:52.269 --> 00:26:54.869 Who knew? But it's something that we should be 00:26:54.869 --> 00:26:58.690 doing on an ongoing, but keeping our name, like 00:26:58.690 --> 00:27:00.950 you and I both have the same thing, where our 00:27:00.950 --> 00:27:06.920 name is who we are. It is a thing. So I appreciate 00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:09.579 that. Like, I'm with you because we're old girls. 00:27:09.900 --> 00:27:11.759 We started back, I started back the same time 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:16.079 you did. Right. 2000. And I've had my website 00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:21.119 gayisware .com since 2002. So it's been a long 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:24.779 time I've been supporting GoDaddy. Right. Well, 00:27:24.859 --> 00:27:27.859 I have I have changed hosts a few times. But 00:27:27.859 --> 00:27:32.349 exactly. It's It makes it easy, but it makes 00:27:32.349 --> 00:27:35.170 it hard to hide. I can't hide behind. I know, 00:27:35.210 --> 00:27:40.970 I know. You'll find me. The fun of that. And 00:27:40.970 --> 00:27:45.150 all the fun of that. Right, right. Yeah, so are 00:27:45.150 --> 00:27:47.349 you going to now be selling kits? Is that going 00:27:47.349 --> 00:27:49.509 to be a new thing? I don't think I'm going to 00:27:49.509 --> 00:27:53.009 be selling kits, but I did have some, I did make 00:27:53.009 --> 00:27:56.059 some notes at various. through various discussions 00:27:56.059 --> 00:28:00.119 and round tables at the recent shows. And I'm 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:02.380 not quite ready to say what I'm going to be doing 00:28:02.380 --> 00:28:05.900 next. But certainly made a lot of good connections 00:28:05.900 --> 00:28:08.940 and need to follow up with some some great opportunities. 00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:11.180 And I hate to be cagey about that. But you know, 00:28:11.259 --> 00:28:14.980 we can't talk about what we're doing. I will 00:28:14.980 --> 00:28:17.880 see things to come. Right. Exactly. One thing 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:20.279 I do have coming up, if anybody's listening to 00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:25.609 this. like in real time. I'm starting a new crochet 00:28:25.609 --> 00:28:29.450 tech edit along. So a lot of people don't know 00:28:29.450 --> 00:28:32.569 how to tech edit crochet patterns and one of 00:28:32.569 --> 00:28:36.230 the things I love to do is help professional 00:28:36.230 --> 00:28:39.130 designers and teachers and so on get better at 00:28:39.130 --> 00:28:42.250 their crafts. And so I'm doing a crochet tech 00:28:42.250 --> 00:28:45.869 edit along. You can find out about that. I'll 00:28:45.869 --> 00:28:48.529 give you a link so that you'll You'll have added 00:28:48.529 --> 00:28:50.309 to the bottom. It'll be in the description of 00:28:50.309 --> 00:28:52.470 the podcast with all of your links, of course, 00:28:52.509 --> 00:28:54.789 I will, I will share a link to that. So that 00:28:54.789 --> 00:28:58.890 starts June 11 so I love for people to join me 00:28:58.890 --> 00:29:01.529 in that And where can they find out more about 00:29:01.529 --> 00:29:03.809 that. Would that be on your Instagram or your 00:29:03.809 --> 00:29:07.430 I it's on my website. It's Edie atman .com slash 00:29:07.430 --> 00:29:12.529 crochet edit along But you can find all my classes 00:29:12.529 --> 00:29:15.329 on my website. If you go to Edie atman .com and 00:29:15.329 --> 00:29:20.339 click on classes there. they'll pop up. I hope. 00:29:23.859 --> 00:29:26.319 I know I'm always checking my email on my website 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:31.660 too. It's like I hope that's true. We're assuming 00:29:31.660 --> 00:29:34.279 it's true or it will be soon. It will be soon 00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:37.519 as I get off the off the zoom call with you right. 00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:41.299 Oh my gosh while you're there I just have to 00:29:41.299 --> 00:29:44.180 ask did you meet one of our members She's from 00:29:44.180 --> 00:29:47.259 Africa, like from Cameroon, Elizabeth. Elizabeth, 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:49.759 yes. Did you meet her? That's the only reason 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.160 where I really wanted to go was just to be a 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:57.200 crocheter. Right, so one of the many gigs that 00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.099 I do is I work with the Craft Yarn Council in 00:30:00.099 --> 00:30:02.339 their certified instructors program and that 00:30:02.339 --> 00:30:05.000 is a program that they have to help knitters 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:07.900 and crocheters become teachers because teaching 00:30:07.900 --> 00:30:10.680 is a skill. You may know how to knit or crochet, 00:30:10.819 --> 00:30:13.450 but being able to teach is a different skill. 00:30:13.609 --> 00:30:15.970 So the craft yarn council has this program where 00:30:15.970 --> 00:30:18.670 they help people become teachers. So Elizabeth 00:30:18.670 --> 00:30:22.369 was part of that program. She was assigned to 00:30:22.369 --> 00:30:25.789 me as a master teacher, a master evaluator. So 00:30:25.789 --> 00:30:31.839 I had the pleasure of meeting her through basically 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:34.160 correspondence course. I mean, she sent me materials 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.140 and then we met over, I think it was Zoom, it 00:30:37.140 --> 00:30:39.240 might have been Skype or whatever and had a little 00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:41.559 interview. So I've known her for several years 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.299 and she does amazing work teaching kids in Africa. 00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:49.220 So that's... I just want to make a collection 00:30:49.220 --> 00:30:51.779 and buy her yarn because I think where her project 00:30:51.779 --> 00:30:55.410 is such a... heartwarming to me. It's a great 00:30:55.410 --> 00:30:57.490 thing. I have one thing of yarn sitting right 00:30:57.490 --> 00:30:59.630 over there. I'm like, yeah, that's nothing. That's 00:30:59.630 --> 00:31:03.970 not worth mailing it to her. I'm not a yarn person. 00:31:04.230 --> 00:31:06.609 It's amazing work. I think last year she won 00:31:06.609 --> 00:31:10.609 the Golden Scissors Award at H &H for, I don't 00:31:10.609 --> 00:31:13.109 remember what the category was, but yeah. I got 00:31:13.109 --> 00:31:15.769 her hooked up with Ness, which is Tori Burch, 00:31:15.789 --> 00:31:18.349 so I think she was kind of going forward with 00:31:18.349 --> 00:31:20.680 that a little bit. Like she's got she's got the 00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.460 chop she's got the story and she's a good person 00:31:23.460 --> 00:31:26.839 so she's my only really crocheter friend now 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:29.799 besides you so okay but you said we're friends 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.319 forever now so we're friends forever now so i 00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:36.220 have two crochet friends right i'm knit also 00:31:36.220 --> 00:31:38.299 don't forget oh yeah yeah yeah i know but you 00:31:38.299 --> 00:31:40.539 know i had one person on that they were just 00:31:40.539 --> 00:31:44.089 a crocheter and i said knitter and I got in, 00:31:44.089 --> 00:31:46.450 wow, world's a trouble for that. I'm like, it's 00:31:46.450 --> 00:31:48.990 two separate things. I'm like, I gotcha, I gotcha. 00:31:49.950 --> 00:31:53.589 Working with yarn. They're very similar. I've, 00:31:53.710 --> 00:31:56.329 you know, there's been this over the years, there 00:31:56.329 --> 00:31:58.890 was some sort of schism going on between knitters 00:31:58.890 --> 00:32:02.089 would say, I'm not a crocheter. And crocheters 00:32:02.089 --> 00:32:04.130 would say, I'm not a knitter. And I've always 00:32:04.130 --> 00:32:08.029 thought that was just ridiculous because you 00:32:08.029 --> 00:32:11.069 want to do like, like you can do both. You can 00:32:11.069 --> 00:32:15.299 be both. You can You know, you can quilt and 00:32:15.299 --> 00:32:18.839 you can make jewelry. And it's OK. Nobody says, 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.700 I'm not a quilter or I'm not a jewelry maker. 00:32:21.980 --> 00:32:24.960 And like, no, like we can all do both. We can 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:29.660 embrace all of these creative arts without putting 00:32:29.660 --> 00:32:33.660 up stupid barriers. I shouldn't say stupid, should 00:32:33.660 --> 00:32:35.839 I? But they're stupid. They're stupid barriers. 00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:37.960 We don't need barriers. We need to all come together 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:41.240 because we're making stuff. It does charm me 00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:44.480 because I remember vividly my grandmother showing 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:48.319 me how to crochet just sitting next to her in 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:51.900 embroidery. And that led me years later to having 00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:53.980 the skills to make my first piece of jewelry, 00:32:54.180 --> 00:32:57.099 to make my next piece of jewelry. Like it all 00:32:57.099 --> 00:33:01.079 started from that time with my grandmother, you 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:04.539 know, doing handiwork. So I have really great 00:33:04.539 --> 00:33:08.930 feel. I loved my grandmother. So I love all of 00:33:08.930 --> 00:33:13.869 this. It makes it really fun for me to see how 00:33:13.869 --> 00:33:17.369 other people have evolved with their skills. 00:33:17.750 --> 00:33:19.829 And I think it's really important. You talk about 00:33:19.829 --> 00:33:21.630 your grandmother. I learned from my grandmother. 00:33:21.750 --> 00:33:24.470 But even if we don't have grandmothers who can 00:33:24.470 --> 00:33:26.890 teach us or grandchildren to teach, I think it 00:33:26.890 --> 00:33:29.230 just shows how important it is to pass these 00:33:29.230 --> 00:33:33.420 skills along one to one. whether it's friends 00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:36.799 or groups or or elizabeth teaching children or 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:40.640 or whatever um just that we we can pass these 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:42.920 skills along because you're passing along relationships 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.500 as well for sure well if we ever get together 00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:46.980 i'll teach you some jewelry and you can teach 00:33:46.980 --> 00:33:49.599 me some crochet right so we are going to be cut 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:53.099 off by zoom because okay it's like law can't 00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:56.299 go past this time it's like okay but really it 00:33:56.299 --> 00:33:59.710 was Great to meet you. And I really, I appreciate 00:33:59.710 --> 00:34:03.410 this time with you today and say your last things 00:34:03.410 --> 00:34:06.009 to your fans and then we'll wrap it up. Well, 00:34:06.029 --> 00:34:10.530 I love to create confidence in crocheters and 00:34:10.530 --> 00:34:14.469 knitters. So look me up on any of the platforms. 00:34:14.610 --> 00:34:17.650 Join my newsletter because I send out weekly 00:34:17.650 --> 00:34:20.510 tips and I just want you to be confident because 00:34:20.510 --> 00:34:22.650 I think the more, you know, the more confident 00:34:22.650 --> 00:34:25.829 you are and the more confident you are, the happier 00:34:25.829 --> 00:34:28.469 you're going to be with your craft, whatever 00:34:28.469 --> 00:34:32.190 that craft is. That's a lovely thing. And thank 00:34:32.190 --> 00:34:34.690 you. And thank you for your time today. Thanks 00:34:34.690 --> 00:34:37.610 for having a lot of fun having you on the show. 00:34:37.829 --> 00:34:41.469 And again, this is Jewelry Stars. Not Jewelry 00:34:41.469 --> 00:34:43.730 Stars. That's my TV show. Jewelry is Your Side 00:34:43.730 --> 00:34:46.449 Hustle with Sugar Gay Isbur. And today we've 00:34:46.449 --> 00:34:49.289 been talking to Adi Eckhart and she is a master 00:34:49.289 --> 00:34:56.539 of all things yarn. Oh, I got you mixed up with 00:34:56.539 --> 00:35:01.619 that movie star. Sorry about that. I told you 00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:04.420 I'm terrible with names. It's a filter problem. 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:06.500 I don't even know my kids' names. Who are they? 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:11.550 I don't know. Anyway, thank you again. And it's 00:35:11.550 --> 00:35:13.730 been fun getting to know you. And this thing 00:35:13.730 --> 00:35:17.170 is going to time out any second. So I will stop 00:35:17.170 --> 00:35:20.030 from it being abrupt. And thank you very much. 00:35:20.130 --> 00:35:23.030 And we'll be talking again soon, hopefully, especially 00:35:23.030 --> 00:35:25.730 at the Crafty Industry Alliance meetings. Right. 00:35:26.130 --> 00:35:28.250 Thanks. Thank you, dear. Bye -bye.