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So this is jewelry as your side hustle.

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And this is Sugar Gay Isber, and that's me.

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And today we're gonna talk to my friend

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who I actually met through the Craft Industry Alliance,

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which is what I'm gonna do today.

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So I'm good for another year, yeah.

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It was a really great group.

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And in this group, there is a lot of people

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that have side hustles or full-time careers within their art.

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So the scope of this might not be jewelry,

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although it's jewelry adjacent,

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because I made things that Jill would like to go on her.

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And we're gonna talk about that.

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And we really want to introduce Jill Wolcott,

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who is from, where are you from?

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I live in Seattle.

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Yeah, I figured it was somewhere really fabulous,

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because we'll talk about that too,

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because she's got a great life.

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And she is an extremely creative book author,

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inventor of new knitting things, I would say.

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Like I think that's in your scope, like you're creative.

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So you're coming up with new ways to knit,

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which is amazing.

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And you need to buy her classes and her books

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and her kits, patterns, I think it's patterns.

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And she'll tell us all about it,

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but we're so happy to have her today,

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because she has a lot of great experience

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and a lot of great ideas, and she's very professional,

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and we're so glad to have you on.

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So Jill, welcome to my podcast.

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Thank you.

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What a great introduction.

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So I am Jill Wolcott of Jill Wolcott Knits.

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And I started out in fashion design.

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So that's really kind of a special thing

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that I bring to the knitting world.

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And I started out as a sewer.

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So I actually went through a technical program here,

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which is just down the street from where I live now,

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where I learned pattern making and garment construction.

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And then I went on to, then I was like,

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yeah, I don't want to do that my whole life.

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So I went on and got a degree in fashion design.

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they said I needed to take a second degree.

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So I got a degree in product development,

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which was adjacent to-

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I really appreciate the degree.

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I think I had that degree.

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Yeah, so I ended up teaching product development

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in San Francisco for over 15 years.

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And I would have loved to have taught design more,

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because that's really where my brain lives.

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But the department was so disorganized.

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I realized we were having the same meeting

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every time we met.

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And I'm kind of action oriented.

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And so I went over to the product development team,

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which was a little more organized.

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And I'm sure they're still having the same meeting.

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But that's where your love of using a rock comes from,

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I'm sure, because well, I don't know what years those were,

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but he was at his height in the 80s, like early 80s,

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with the Reeve Gauchan, all of his really high end,

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You asked me, who was my favorite designer?

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It would still be him.

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And I actually went to Morocco and to his gardens there,

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and I painted pots with his blue color.

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like, you know, he was long dead at that point,

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but it was just like, you know, did my heart good,

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because I get it.

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I used to be in retail during those times.

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that were like, it was so great just to be able to touch them.

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I never even tried one on, didn't it?

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I'm gonna try one more time in a picture.

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What was I thinking?

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The closest I could ever get,

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and I didn't even go for that.

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but I also, I watched your video on your website,

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on the tour of your studio.

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And I have to say, you really inspired me.

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It was such a great tour.

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I saw your degree there from the technical school.

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I saw how you were organizing, how things meant to you,

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and how things do mean to you.

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and it had all those little balls on it.

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But you're an amazing craftsperson.

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you know, there are people who are much better knitters than me.

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to knit my things because I can't focus that long on anything.

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I could never knit, so I got you.

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and then forget.

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but I knit every night for like two and a half hours.

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just not necessarily pattern related.

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those things that I make for myself.

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Ha ha ha.

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And I think it's cause it really taps into my passions

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and what interests me.

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So I'm just kind of naturally a problem solver.

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to be done better or done differently.

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So sewing something together doesn't bother me,

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but most knitters don't want to do that.

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So I spent a lot of years just learning how to do things

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on the needles that, so to avoid sewing.

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I gotta tell you, like I am never bored.

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I'm sure you're never bored.

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I know, we're the same, of course.

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In every project that I do,

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and I do multiple projects for product design,

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I'm creating, you know, collections for this,

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you know, this company,

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it's like all different kinds all week long.

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but we're the same on that product design.

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Like it is about creative thinking and problem solving.

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Like how can I, I'm doing a project right now

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for Niagara Falls and it's all selenite.

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but the 1800s in selenite jewelry.

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and have it priced right and all that?

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Cause it's all part of this.

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Like we have to be such business people as entrepreneurs.

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Like we really have to be able to take the photos.

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Do you take photos for this?

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I know you're literate and computer,

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which is such an important part, but.

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until I got my first iPhone, which was an iPhone 7.

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your husband needs to get you a better phone.

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I was like, no, I'm good with the flip phone

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because I hate my phone.

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I realized I had never taken pictures.

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when he was in college.

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in a very lawyerly way.

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and just like went through their program

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to teach myself how to see through the camera.

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the thumb was in there, the foot was in there.

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I didn't, cause I can like block out all that stuff

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that's behind me.

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Now it does though.

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So I had to learn and I had to learn how to take videos.

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Like all on your own, you're taking yourself videos,

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you're taking yourself, you know, like that's something I,

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I don't even want to be in front of the camera.

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Like I'm like, I don't know.

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Yeah, no, it's so different.

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And I am approaching my 70th birthday.

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When's your birthday?

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October 5th, I'm at total labor.

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Aren't you glad that you do though?

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I tell everybody the best thing that you can do

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is buy a good phone.

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like it's a professional grade cell phone.

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have good equipment.

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It can't be more than two years old

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because it was too much things that have happened

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in two years.

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and the upgrades are really important.

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I had to learn all this like layout software

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and illustrator and Photoshop.

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to teach me illustrator.

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Oh, I wish I could.

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I just had a list of every question,

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of questions every week and say,

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it would say like, I want to do this, just teach me that.

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cause I kind of like need to be able to do something

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right away. And then pretty soon I became an expert.

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I did classes on illustrator.

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I'm not so good at Photoshop.

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So I recently switched to another, away from Adobe.

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Me too. I did too.

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I canceled my Photoshop since I had it since 2005.

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which was the last time you could actually buy the program.

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And so I have this ancient computer over there.

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I heard you talking about it that you have to fire it up.

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I getcha.

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Affinity software is really good.

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It's like $200 ish and for all three programs and you own it.

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So then when they come up with like a complete new upgrade,

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you pay $100 to upgrade.

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I heard you talk about that.

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It's brilliant.

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just because they haven't, you know,

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they built it from scratch with all the knowledge

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that Adobe had discovered,

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where Adobe's been like, you know, patching things on.

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So it's really good software.

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And it certainly makes my life easier.

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But when you make a transition like that,

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it's huge.

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I know.

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I would say you have to.

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You have to.

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I was trying to do something yesterday

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and I told my husband, I'm like,

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in like the beginning of computer time, like,

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19, eight, let's just say 1990,

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because that's why I was using it.

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I was using computers before, way before that,

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but there was a piece of software called Print Artist.

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And it was such a,

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it was the precursor to Photoshop.

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And I told my husband, I'm like,

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with that piece of software,

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I could do something that they don't have anymore.

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You cannot do it.

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It was called tiling.

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And you could just click a button

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and your image would like tile,

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whatever it is size that you needed.

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And I needed something that could be printed on the front

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and then run it back through

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and it's printed on the back.

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So that was one piece of paper.

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But I need to sign

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the frustration, the waste of time.

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But I'm like Googling it.

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I'm like, looking on YouTube.

284
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I'm like, I know I should be able to do this.

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Yeah.

286
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Yeah.

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It's probably available in something like Photoshop,

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which I just ditched.

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So for Canva,

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because you know, it's all AI now.

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And I don't know, I think it's that much better,

292
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but it's hard.

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Like it's tricky.

294
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I'm gonna like really like figure it all out again.

295
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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So my big interest

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for the last several years has been fit.

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And because of my pattern making background,

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I understand why things don't fit

301
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and how to make them fit.

302
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I like the darts.

303
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You were talking about the darts.

304
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The darts are huge.

305
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And you know, getting this to fit

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if you've got a big bust is crucial.

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But no one really knows how to do it

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because they don't understand the pattern making,

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but also we tend to not understand bodies.

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And you know, like the way I put on padding

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is not gonna be the same as the way you put on padding.

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And so there is no universal solution.

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And so I got really interested in this.

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And I started thinking about trans people

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because they have a skeleton that was set

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by whatever gender they were at birth.

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Right, at birth. So, you know, if they've gone through puberty,

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they've got that skeleton and they can take hormones,

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they can pad out or remove fat,

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but they still are gonna have that skeleton.

321
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Yeah, you had a skeleton in your back right over there.

322
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And you said it's a male skeleton.

323
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And I'm like, how many differences are there in a skeleton?

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Like I don't want to see SI.

325
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So I'm sure somebody's seen it.

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There's really not a lot of difference

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in the component pieces,

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but we all know that when women give birth or get pregnant,

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that their hips expand to facilitate

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the expelling of a human being.

331
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Yes.

332
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Which I've done. So I get you. I'm there with you.

333
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I'm seeing it. I'm feeling it.

334
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Yeah, so it's mostly structural,

335
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which is often related not to the bones,

336
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but to connective tissue.

337
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So it's that connector thing in here.

338
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Yeah, and so it allows the hip to spread.

339
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So I'm in, is it like, is it all, is it fused?

340
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Is it all like one piece and not flexible?

341
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Is that the only difference?

342
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Is that where we're looking for the difference?

343
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It's just narrower with, you know,

344
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so then the differences come in in connective tissue.

345
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So we have different types of connections

346
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between the genders,

347
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but of course we don't know that much about women

348
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because why would you ever study women?

349
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Don't get me started. I live in Texas.

350
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Yeah, I was going to say that.

351
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This is a whole other thing.

352
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So it really becomes how additional layers

353
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are put on the skeleton.

354
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And then we know that as you age, things change.

355
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As you put on weight, things change.

356
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And one of the things I've become really convinced

357
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is that the type of food that you eat

358
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changes the kind of fat that you put on.

359
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And it's so complicated.

360
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But it's a problem that needs solving.

361
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So I've been working on it.

362
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And I've been working on it for, I think, three years

363
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to make something that would allow people

364
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to individualize a particular design.

365
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And so like take one of my designs

366
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and you put in your measurements

367
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and it rewrites it for your measurements.

368
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It's not quite that simple.

369
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But so when we got to the point of wanting to actually make

370
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that happen, I was doing it in Excel.

371
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,440
And when I say I actually mean someone else was doing most

372
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of it in Excel, I'm like the mastermind.

373
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And it turns out Excel is really porous and really easy

374
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to break into.

375
00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:24,040
So I was mostly concerned about protecting my IP.

376
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And so we built a PHP, whatever.

377
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And again, I say we.

378
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And just this lovely gentleman named

379
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Owen, who I found through his partner

380
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on Craft Industry Alliance.

381
00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:46,760
Yeah, so and there in England, he built me this PHP thing,

382
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which is basically like how your bank does stuff.

383
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It's working on a server.

384
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And so you see like a JavaScript thing on the front.

385
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And there's all this other stuff going on.

386
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So he built that for me.

387
00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,920
And he was so brilliant.

388
00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,520
He kept saying, let's just keep it really simple.

389
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Let's keep it really simple.

390
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,600
Because I had a limited budget.

391
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You don't want that.

392
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,400
I do not need to be an IT manager.

393
00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,600
So we really needed it to be simple.

394
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So we are going to release it in August.

395
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:35,080
And but what I kind of shifted from doing design,

396
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,560
not that many people are going to want to make my design.

397
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So what I really need to do is provide them tools.

398
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,720
Like here's how you can put in a bust dart.

399
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,800
Here's how you can put in a vertical dart.

400
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,800
Here's how you can reshape your sleeve

401
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:55,000
to accommodate your big upper arm.

402
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,280
So that's what we're working on right now.

403
00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:05,360
How do you accommodate your chest if you were a 48D

404
00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:08,360
and you're now wearing a binder?

405
00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:15,560
And so you're diffusing, but you still have a 48 inch chest.

406
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:23,120
How do you accommodate a large belly or a big bum?

407
00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:25,760
So I can do all these things.

408
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,520
So it's a mathematical formula.

409
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:28,520
I kind of heard you.

410
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,200
I watched your strings on your bust.

411
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,440
And you were explaining how, see,

412
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,840
you have this measurement on the sides this way.

413
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,720
And then at the top of the breast,

414
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,040
and it's expanded and it's a gradual expansion.

415
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,920
So you were trying to figure out that formula of what

416
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:50,000
that differentiating growth was there.

417
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,120
Right.

418
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:54,720
And I don't know about you, but I did not do well

419
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,960
in high school math.

420
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,520
I know.

421
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,200
No, you're math for me.

422
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,000
No, no.

423
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:01,760
You're not.

424
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,560
Yeah, barely.

425
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,880
My husband got me through the college algebra class

426
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that I had to take to get my degree.

427
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:17,320
And so I don't understand any of the theory and all of that,

428
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,880
but I can see things.

429
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,160
And I've got kind of a visual brain,

430
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,240
so I kind of see things in 3D.

431
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,600
But I don't have the math.

432
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,440
So Jamie has provided that.

433
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,040
And every once in a while, we have

434
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to call in one of her friends who is a physicist.

435
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,960
And he solves things for us.

436
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,200
Well, there are physicists working on this.

437
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,400
Yeah.

438
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,440
And he came up with it.

439
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,600
I can't say that about my jewelry for sure.

440
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,160
Yeah, he says, you should not be calling yourself

441
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,200
like a designer.

442
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,720
You should be calling yourself a yarn programmer,

443
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:02,320
because what you're doing is like writing programs.

444
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,520
And I plus that, I would get paid a lot more.

445
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,000
Yeah.

446
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:09,960
It's brilliant.

447
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,080
Like seriously, like seriously, if it

448
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,760
is a tool that's not out there to be able to resize your patterns,

449
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,720
you put in your measurements.

450
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,240
This is what the pattern is standard.

451
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,560
And now it's going to convert it.

452
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,880
And this is going to be the new sizes

453
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,280
that how the pattern should be done.

454
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:27,000
Like I get it.

455
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,960
I have friends, my dearest little friend.

456
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,400
And I say she's a little kid.

457
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:32,440
She's like a little doll.

458
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:37,680
But she has the whole laser printing for patterns and all

459
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:37,880
that.

460
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,360
She's like high up in that.

461
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:40,320
And I get it.

462
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,880
She can't make anything without a pattern.

463
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,120
I can't make anything with a pattern.

464
00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:45,880
Yeah.

465
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:46,440
I get it.

466
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,320
Like it's just not my game.

467
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,280
I'm like, I look at it and I go, yeah, I can just.

468
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,080
No, so we laugh.

469
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,560
My husband and I, because I don't actually follow directions.

470
00:22:58,560 --> 00:22:59,960
Uh-huh.

471
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,800
That's because you're a real artist.

472
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:07,040
But that's what I do for a living.

473
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,200
I mean, when I'm cooking, I'm just like throwing things in.

474
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,520
And I just get ideas and make something.

475
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,760
So one time, I had breast cancer surgery a few years ago.

476
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,360
And it was very, they found it really early.

477
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:28,960
But I couldn't use my arms for a few weeks.

478
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,760
So he was making meatballs for me.

479
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,560
And he doesn't cook at all.

480
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,800
And because I needed him to get in there and mix everything.

481
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,640
And he said in kind of a panicky voice,

482
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,000
he's like, you're just throwing things in.

483
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,280
You're not measuring anything.

484
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,760
Yeah, we don't measure.

485
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,680
Yeah.

486
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:51,560
That's what's going on.

487
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,840
So he makes bread and it's all very.

488
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,920
Oh, measure, measure, measure.

489
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,200
Way, way, way.

490
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:57,840
Yeah, I get it.

491
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,000
That's the one reason why even, like,

492
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,640
I may make a box cake.

493
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,080
I still somehow another, I mean, I make a cake.

494
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,920
And I'm like, it is dry all the way around the edges.

495
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,400
It was like, oh, I ever cooked it.

496
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,480
And I was shortening.

497
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,920
So then I threw in a bit of yogurt and a bunch of,

498
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,000
I don't know how this will work.

499
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:16,760
Oh, this will.

500
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:17,960
I don't know.

501
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,240
Wow, some more butter.

502
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:19,840
It can hurt.

503
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,520
Yeah.

504
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,920
I'm not a cooker.

505
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,880
I'm not a baker.

506
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,000
I'm a good cooker.

507
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:25,760
But we're the same.

508
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,280
I love the taste you're cooking because it's that love,

509
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,520
that passion that just kind of.

510
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:37,160
And I find it really is great when I've

511
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,320
got a problem that I'm trying to solve to go down to the kitchen

512
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,640
and just womp up something because it uses that creative

513
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,920
brain, but it takes me totally out of the problem

514
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,640
that I'm trying to solve.

515
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,160
And then it figures it out for you.

516
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,960
And then it's like, it's the answer to your problem.

517
00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:00,440
Yeah, all I needed was two dozen oatmeal cookies.

518
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,480
That happens when I sleep.

519
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,040
Or I'm driving.

520
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,000
I think when I'm driving, I definitely

521
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,640
just turn off the radio and I just let my brain just

522
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,040
be grateful for a while.

523
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,440
And then things start bopping.

524
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,640
It calls it the lizard brain working.

525
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,760
Yeah.

526
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,200
And I just got back from three months in a row.

527
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,760
I knew.

528
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:21,920
So tell me about that.

529
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:22,920
That was.

530
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:23,760
I was going to tell you.

531
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,080
I was going to ask you about that.

532
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,800
That was on my list.

533
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,960
Three whole months.

534
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:29,600
Yeah.

535
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,000
You said, yeah, it's really big.

536
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,720
It's also very expensive.

537
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,360
I know that.

538
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:36,040
My son just got back from New Zealand and Australia.

539
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,800
And he's traveled the world in his most expensive place ever.

540
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,920
Like, oh my god.

541
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,960
Yeah, no.

542
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,480
So this was like a trip that Mitch particularly really

543
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,120
wanted to do and he's retired.

544
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:53,520
And so he did all of the scheduling.

545
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,920
And I mean, I booked hotels and stuff.

546
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,160
But he figured out our itinerary and all the flights

547
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,600
and blah, blah, blah.

548
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,160
So I would like basically get up and say,

549
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,800
what are we doing today?

550
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,480
Oh, that's nice.

551
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,800
He knew everything.

552
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,360
It was his trip.

553
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:11,200
Yeah.

554
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,680
You didn't come back with an accident.

555
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,080
After three months, I think you'd say something.

556
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,000
Like, no.

557
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,480
I have no ear for accidents.

558
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,040
And I also can't read poetry.

559
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,920
And I don't have a lot of rhythm.

560
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:30,960
And I've decided that those three things are somehow connected.

561
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,520
But so we went.

562
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:40,160
We left on the 28th of February and got there on March 1.

563
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,520
And we came back on May 24.

564
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,800
So you've just been back a couple of weeks.

565
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,400
Yeah, a month.

566
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,160
And it was spectacular.

567
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:57,080
And I now know why people are given sabbaticals.

568
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,920
It's good for your soul.

569
00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,560
Yeah.

570
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,880
And I mean, I'm doing something I love.

571
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,000
But there is a certain level of frustration

572
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,560
to various aspects of it.

573
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:14,880
And I drug my laptop around, hardly did any work.

574
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,480
Believe me, I was cursing myself at the end

575
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,120
that I was dragging this rock around.

576
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:26,840
But like the last week, we were in Sydney

577
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,840
and doing a lot of just walking by the ocean

578
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:37,280
and kind of tooling around, not doing anything.

579
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,880
We'd pretty much done everything.

580
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,960
And one day, I just was like, OK, I

581
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,520
know what I'm going to do for the next 10 years.

582
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,480
I have never had that feeling.

583
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,600
Yeah.

584
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:58,040
And it's because I'm, as I said, I'm almost 70.

585
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,600
And I realize that I typically juggle about 50 projects

586
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,640
at a time.

587
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,800
But I can't do that anymore.

588
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,800
And so I need to find a way to harness my energy

589
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,440
so that it's just focusing on the things that I need to do

590
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,880
before I die.

591
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,520
And yeah, it was great.

592
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:26,400
I mean, I got on the plane and I was like, I know exactly what

593
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,040
to do.

594
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,680
Of course, my plan in my head was

595
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,360
that I was going to write all this down.

596
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,440
No, it's still in my head.

597
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,800
And I would say that's my biggest failing

598
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,200
is I cannot make myself kind of create a big plan.

599
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,680
And so I'm always flying a little bit by the seat of my pants.

600
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,840
But I like that.

601
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:54,680
On the cusp.

602
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,120
You like being living on that edge?

603
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,520
Or we were at a lecture, I think it was with Jonathan

604
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,720
Franson.

605
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:08,360
And the interviewer said, are you a seat of your pants guy?

606
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,800
Or do you plan everything out?

607
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,240
And he said, oh, I'm a total pancer.

608
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,000
So that's how I refer to myself now.

609
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,120
I'm just pantsing it.

610
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,120
Yeah.

611
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,120
Well, so it's just about writing it all down.

612
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,200
So what does that entail?

613
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,440
Because you can just now on your phone,

614
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,480
you can record everything.

615
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,040
It transcribes it perfectly.

616
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:30,680
Yeah.

617
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,160
So I just have all these little notes.

618
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,000
So this is the one from the CIA meeting where I wrote down

619
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,280
your name to cut down.

620
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,320
Oh, that's so nice.

621
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,680
Yes, yes.

622
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,760
Yeah, so I've got.

623
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,560
Give him a little bit of love.

624
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,400
Paulus, a big pile of notes.

625
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,320
And so it's all there.

626
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,240
It's just I'm not organized.

627
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,000
And I get kind of freaked out when

628
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,480
I try to spend a lot of time on that.

629
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,120
So bits and bobs of it.

630
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,920
So the craft industry alliance is incredible.

631
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,800
How long have you been a member?

632
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,040
I've been a member since day one.

633
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:15,960
Wow.

634
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,760
And partly because I really believe

635
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,840
in being part of your industry.

636
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,760
And it was like the only thing.

637
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,400
But also, I love the monthly meetings because it gives me.

638
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,200
I work by myself.

639
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:39,160
And I'm in a second bedroom with my crazy thoughts all the time.

640
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:45,120
And so it's really fun to see what other people are doing,

641
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,520
to see friendly faces, people who just kind of automatically

642
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,840
get what you're doing, not necessarily in terms of what

643
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,920
you're actually doing, but the struggles.

644
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,320
They have great resources.

645
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,000
If you go on looking for something,

646
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,560
there's tons of articles and webinars and things

647
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:09,560
that you can watch.

648
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,560
I've gotten so much out of many of the webinars.

649
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,200
And I'm sure the notes are in a pile someplace.

650
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,760
I know you have your book of notes.

651
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,320
When you said that, I'm like, oh, yeah.

652
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,400
I have tons of notes I never go back and refer to.

653
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:25,880
I don't know.

654
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,640
How do we keep them?

655
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:27,120
I'm not sure.

656
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,280
But I don't know.

657
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,360
But this is my second year with Craft Alliance.

658
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,400
And I love Abby.

659
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,920
And their newsletter is just the best newsletter I get.

660
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,080
Because I don't know how she is so well connected.

661
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,240
I hate it that I miss there was a round table in the evening

662
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,560
last week.

663
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,240
And I missed it, or it was this week, I'm not sure.

664
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,880
But I was like, oh, I hate missing those meetings.

665
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,840
I just need it.

666
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,960
So I have you done one of their mastermind groups?

667
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,440
No.

668
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,760
Do you pay to be in that mastermind group?

669
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,120
Yeah, it's like $40 or something.

670
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:07,680
Like nothing.

671
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,680
Yeah.

672
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,320
So that's something you think I would benefit from?

673
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,400
I love those.

674
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,560
And I've had both good and bad experiences.

675
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,840
But they're always worth it.

676
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,400
The last one was like the women wouldn't give any flexibility

677
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,160
on time.

678
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,440
And I was the only one on the Pacific Coast.

679
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,400
I don't talk to people before 10 AM.

680
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,800
And so I was just like, bye.

681
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,960
If you're that rigid, you're not my people anyhow.

682
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,920
But the first one I was in, we still meet twice a month.

683
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,320
And so we just support each other.

684
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,040
It's so helpful.

685
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,520
It is.

686
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,040
And I've seen people's businesses evolve and change

687
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,640
and personal growth and other people who kind of aren't

688
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,360
at that pace, place in their lives,

689
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,520
and they don't have the space for that,

690
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,320
but want to hold the candle.

691
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,520
Yeah, they're amazing when they're really good.

692
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,720
But that first one was the special one for me.

693
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:18,220
So.

694
00:33:18,220 --> 00:33:19,440
It's a good catalyst.

695
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,000
I'll have to look into this again because I think.

696
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,680
They open in August or September.

697
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,240
I really like the meetings.

698
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,120
I try really hard to be on there.

699
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,000
I love their programs.

700
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:33,840
I've written them.

701
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,400
I made it into the newsletter a few times.

702
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,160
And I've got another article coming out soon.

703
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,600
I'm waiting.

704
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,360
Something that I did is going to be on TV.

705
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,000
And so it's a big thing.

706
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,840
I wrote the article, but we're waiting for it to get closer.

707
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,080
So yeah, Abby is a force to be reckoned with.

708
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,920
And it is about connecting with other people.

709
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,800
Like, even though I'm kind of an outcast

710
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,240
because I don't know how many jewelry makers are in the group,

711
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,680
but it's still the same tribe.

712
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,280
We are creators.

713
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,360
We are creators.

714
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,480
And that's the thing that's key is

715
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:12,760
that we all have kind of the same voices active in our heads

716
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,240
and the same desire to accomplish things

717
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:23,160
and to enjoy the beauty and sometimes

718
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,960
solace of what we do.

719
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,080
You know, that the hands-on is that's why I knit every day

720
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,720
is because I can't let that go even if I'm not doing it

721
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:37,120
productively for my business.

722
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,200
I have to be hands-on and kind of experiencing

723
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,560
and recognizing in my own behavior things

724
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,560
that I could help other people with.

725
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,080
And also new materials, maybe, too.

726
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,040
Did you go to wool shops or yarn shops while you were?

727
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,840
They have hardly any wool shops.

728
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,160
And yeah.

729
00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:59,880
What's that about?

730
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,040
They have wool.

731
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:01,800
I know.

732
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,280
So of course, as soon as I got back,

733
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:10,840
I discovered a small mill that's outside of Melbourne.

734
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,920
So I'm going to see if I can do something with them

735
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,600
just because I love small mills.

736
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,920
And so they have terrible colors.

737
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:22,840
There you go.

738
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,000
Got to help them with that because I saw your pantom

739
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,960
pictures on your Instagram.

740
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,160
And yeah, I mean, colors change all the time.

741
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,520
Like it's an ever-moving thing.

742
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,160
Yeah.

743
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,240
And I couldn't find, bless you, very many hand-dyers,

744
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:41,880
which are huge in the US.

745
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:42,960
Huge in the US.

746
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:43,600
Huge.

747
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,240
Using all kinds of natural ingredients.

748
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:47,440
And yeah.

749
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,600
So it was disappointing in terms of that,

750
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,200
but I have 1,200 pictures of beautiful colors.

751
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,080
Well, I wonder if it's because it's not very cold there

752
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,320
very often.

753
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,560
I used to live in Canada.

754
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,680
And there was a really big group of spinners and weavers.

755
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:08,280
Right.

756
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,720
And they would have these amazing combination threads

757
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,600
of three different colors that they had spun.

758
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,000
And I'm like, ah, it's so gorgeous.

759
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,640
And then they would make it into shawls.

760
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,320
And I would make the pin using all the colors

761
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,760
within that yarn scope so that they could have something.

762
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,080
I noticed that you had our little shawlet thing.

763
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,680
You had a little closure thing.

764
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,800
And it's like, oh, you need to tell Jill,

765
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:31,800
I can match any wool.

766
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,800
I can match any color.

767
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,960
Like I got five million bees.

768
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,080
There's nothing I can buy more.

769
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,800
Yay, that's all better for me.

770
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,800
But yeah, there's pretty much not a color

771
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,960
because I have beads that go back from whatever.

772
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,200
Just go back in time.

773
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,760
Like however far you can go back, I got those beads.

774
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,080
And then come forward.

775
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,040
Because I buy from old warehouses mostly in Rhode Island,

776
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,000
in New York, and all that old horse.

777
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,280
So I have access to all that.

778
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,200
But the colors, you can see.

779
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,520
You can go, oh, yeah, that's from this.

780
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,520
Oh, yeah, look at this one.

781
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,520
You can just see it.

782
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,280
You can tell it by looking at it.

783
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,480
What age it is.

784
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,440
Yeah, so I visit vintage button stores every place.

785
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,000
Tell us something about your buttons.

786
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,640
And since Francisco used to be a really great button place,

787
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,640
it's all gone now.

788
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,640
It's all gone.

789
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,280
So 10 buttons in New York and Chicago is gone.

790
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,800
Yeah, so there's this gal.

791
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,440
Her name is not Dusty.

792
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,360
But her company is called Dusty's Vintage Buttons.

793
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,680
And yeah, she does the same thing.

794
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,440
She buys up from warehouses and personal collections

795
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,520
and stuff like that.

796
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:56,200
So at the end of COVID, she got access

797
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,920
to a bunch of Italian stuff.

798
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,880
Yeah, well, that was expensive for me.

799
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,680
I think I saw one of your Antelago buttons.

800
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,880
Yeah, so I buy from her.

801
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,280
I love those old buttons.

802
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,360
I have tons from England.

803
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,080
And I found some beads in Oregon.

804
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,280
I don't buy a lot of stuff anymore when we travel,

805
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,160
but I look for little things like that

806
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,240
where I can tuck into a shoe.

807
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,000
It's carrying stuff is real.

808
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,160
We don't need more stuff.

809
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,720
That's kind of the issue of all this.

810
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:38,680
So I mean, the first step I take when

811
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,640
I'm getting towards the end of a project

812
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,640
is to go see if I have buttons that go with it.

813
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,000
And I wear these pins every day.

814
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,280
Yeah, I saw them.

815
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,440
And so that's how I started making what I call my art

816
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,400
buttons, which are just basically small collages using

817
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:03,720
antique buttons and yarn and threads and beads

818
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,760
and whatever I have around.

819
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,920
So if it's not something that needs a button,

820
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,080
I make an art button for it.

821
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,520
And for me, it's kind of like the closure of the project.

822
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,080
It's like, OK, I've done everything.

823
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,160
I don't really wear them.

824
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,840
Somebody said I should sell them.

825
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,640
But they just are fun to make.

826
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,680
And yeah.

827
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,720
And what are you making your collages with?

828
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:31,920
Like I'm trying to visualize this.

829
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,840
I didn't see a sample of that on your.

830
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,400
Oh, I don't have a lot of it.

831
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,160
I can get my box.

832
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,720
Your button box, your old jewelry box, the jewelry,

833
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:43,880
the broken jewelry box.

834
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,040
Because I saw that box, that thing too.

835
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:54,800
So this was a project.

836
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,040
Now is that a ring?

837
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,040
Oh, I see the thread in there.

838
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,520
Yeah, so there's thread.

839
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,600
There's like a kabony.

840
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,560
No, this is like a cover your own button form.

841
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,800
And then these are buttons that I got in Santa Fe.

842
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,720
Like probably.

843
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:16,520
I mean, they're vintage now, but I bought them.

844
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:17,760
And then what's on the back?

845
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,840
Like what are you making?

846
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,280
Oh, so this, it goes with a cowl.

847
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,960
And I just put a button on so I can button it into the loose

848
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
yarn and the stitch pattern.

849
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,880
So it just hangs like that.

850
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:30,920
Oh, wow.

851
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,760
So it didn't need to have to have a stiffer thing.

852
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,200
It just has to have a button.

853
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,800
The weave is going to have to put it in there.

854
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,160
Oh, it's got a needle in it.

855
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,280
These are mother of pearl sequins.

856
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,880
I see that.

857
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,160
And then I like making these big stitches.

858
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:55,120
And this is from my martini.

859
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,440
All of this.

860
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,760
At a restaurant, my husband was horrified that I took it.

861
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,080
Now, when you go on an airplane, can you take needles on there?

862
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,080
You can.

863
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,400
Really?

864
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,240
It's OK to take a needle when she could kill someone with.

865
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:15,680
But look at this one.

866
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,520
Those are kind of, you know, those buttons

867
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,960
are a little tweezy for me.

868
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,640
But I love the color.

869
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,920
And then this is just like an old button.

870
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:25,720
Right?

871
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:27,440
Yeah.

872
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,080
This one is fun.

873
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,800
So I just bought this square button.

874
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,720
And I didn't doodle to that.

875
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:39,680
And then just made it fun.

876
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,960
Well, obviously, you live in a very creative city,

877
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,640
like Austin, where I am.

878
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,520
Those are beautiful.

879
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,200
Oh, those shells.

880
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,200
Yeah.

881
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,800
So this I got from Dusty.

882
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,920
These I got from Miguel, who's no longer in business.

883
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,520
But they're Italian balls.

884
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,040
And they're covered in cord.

885
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,960
And then the rest is just knitting stuff.

886
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,480
You had some little tiny balls on that shawl

887
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:06,480
that you were wearing.

888
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,080
It might not be the right name for it.

889
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,400
Well, what do you call that thing?

890
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,800
They're called boggles.

891
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,560
Or boggles, when you.

892
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:13,920
They're fabulous.

893
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:14,640
They're fabulous.

894
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:15,880
And you said you like to make them.

895
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:16,480
And now I believe you.

896
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,120
Look at that.

897
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:17,680
Yeah.

898
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:18,480
Is that a fan?

899
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,920
A fan of their?

900
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:20,400
Yeah.

901
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,200
So that's a shell button.

902
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,400
A mother of pearl.

903
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,400
Yeah.

904
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:31,080
And so this one, I call this one my Ukraine button.

905
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,600
Oh, the yellow and blue.

906
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,520
I love that.

907
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,320
Oh, I love that.

908
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,680
These are really.

909
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,400
So you have to be wearing a sweater or a shawl

910
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,440
to be able to wear those because you can't pin them on anything.

911
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:42,680
Yeah.

912
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,640
You have a great.

913
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:44,800
I love the greens.

914
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:45,320
Is that green?

915
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:45,640
Yes.

916
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,240
The green is my favorite color.

917
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:50,960
So some of them have pins on the back.

918
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,960
Like this one has just a jewelry, cheapo jewelry pin.

919
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,160
Yeah.

920
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,360
So I can wear that on something else.

921
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,240
This one has a pin.

922
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:03,640
I just had a great collector that had a bunch of just those kind

923
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,960
of jewelry pins for bags.

924
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:06,960
And they're all from France.

925
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,840
I'm like, yeah, I think I got one in my hair.

926
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,320
I got a beret.

927
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,760
I'm like, yeah, I'll buy all that.

928
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,200
Like whatever.

929
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,040
I see your window is open.

930
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,760
We have a love of birds together.

931
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:19,480
Yeah.

932
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,440
We are.

933
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,280
My hair was all done this morning.

934
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,000
I look good this morning.

935
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:25,960
And then I went outside.

936
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,960
I started digging around, cleaning out the water bowls.

937
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,280
And yeah, blah, blah, blah.

938
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,680
And it's like I came back in.

939
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:32,760
We had a big rain.

940
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,520
So it's like super humid out there right now in my hair.

941
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:37,520
But yeah, you're a big.

942
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,040
It does not get humid here, but we're going to be hot today.

943
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,120
So this is a.

944
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,280
I did not make this.

945
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,280
It's a.

946
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,280
It's a.

947
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,280
It's a.

948
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,720
So this was.

949
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:55,640
It's mother of Pearl tiles that was in a bracelet and they chipped.

950
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,000
And so I got worried that they wouldn't last in the bracelet.

951
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:05,960
And the bars are a pair of earrings that I no longer wore.

952
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,560
And then Pearl earrings, which I no longer wore.

953
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,720
So a jeweler put them together for me.

954
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:14,680
And then it felt like a little too fussy for me.

955
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:25,080
So I put I took some brass jewelry pins and put little wraps of wire.

956
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,880
So it looks a little bit more funky.

957
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,880
Yeah, it is.

958
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,600
You've got a good eye and you always wear your pearls.

959
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:31,600
Yeah.

960
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:38,040
So this, I mean, nothing is new except the pin that she put on the back and those brass.

961
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,040
Pins.

962
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,040
Yeah.

963
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,040
We're the same.

964
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,040
Yeah.

965
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,040
We're the same.

966
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,040
I've even got buttons off of things.

967
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:54,640
Well, Bums are Bums are such a historical part of our life when we figured out how to

968
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:55,640
do buttons.

969
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,640
It's way old.

970
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,840
Like that's ancient, like ancient technology.

971
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,160
Like let's make a some kind of a fastener.

972
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,240
Sure the ancient people were, you know, trying to figure out how to do that.

973
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:10,240
They knew how to make holes in rocks, which was that was pretty good.

974
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:12,240
But a rock button wasn't really them.

975
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:19,840
And then they found oyster shells and shells and an ostrich eggs and eggs.

976
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,960
And, you know, they had all different kinds of organic things that they were able to chip

977
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,360
into little tiny pieces and then use them for something.

978
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,360
What's that?

979
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,040
You know, you've seen old buttons in museums too.

980
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,040
Yeah.

981
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:37,960
If I could go back in time, that there, it was a lady that owned the business who did

982
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:43,120
all the mother of pearl buttons for like, you know, like she had the big industry over

983
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:49,240
in Japan or China, wherever it must have been Japan because it was before China was in the

984
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:50,240
thing.

985
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:55,120
But I've seen some stuff on her and it was amazing all the buttons because everything

986
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,120
needed buttons.

987
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,720
And it's not just like one button, one shirt would have 20 buttons and then the hair and

988
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:05,640
here and here and then the shoes had buttons and a button industry was a gigantic thing

989
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:16,840
for hundreds of years, you know, to our local Native Americans use buttons to decorate their

990
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,360
tribal costumes.

991
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,720
So they clearly had traded those.

992
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:21,720
Yes.

993
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:27,920
So they are covered with mother of pearl buttons in their traditional patterns and stuff, which

994
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:28,920
is very cool.

995
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,560
They've got a lot of them in our local museum.

996
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:32,560
Yeah.

997
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:37,920
You can trace a lot by buttons.

998
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:38,920
Yeah, sure.

999
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,760
The age of anything can be traced.

1000
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:41,760
Yeah.

1001
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,120
Kind of by a button and buttons are just, I see them, I buy them.

1002
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:52,720
I can't help myself because a lot of the things I can, I can, you know, make a mold of it,

1003
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:56,640
for example, it's not in copyright because I have things hundreds of years old.

1004
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:57,640
Yeah.

1005
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:58,640
I have several of those kind of things.

1006
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,520
I'm like, you know, I'm just going to chop the back of this off and I'm going to stick

1007
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,680
it on something else because now it's kind of new life.

1008
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:05,680
It's okay.

1009
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,680
Yeah.

1010
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:07,680
So I take a list first.

1011
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:08,680
Yeah.

1012
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:18,160
And London, who's got an antique button shop, which like no order at all.

1013
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:23,600
So she, if you say I'm looking for this, she can like pull out the box, but I don't do

1014
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,600
that.

1015
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:33,680
I like to like go through all of her shelves to find buttons, but she said Zara has been

1016
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:39,000
a huge boom to her business because people buy like basic things.

1017
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,440
They don't want it to look like everybody else.

1018
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:50,560
And so they come in and they buy these buttons and she said, in fact, I am wearing a sweater

1019
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:59,000
that I changed the buttons on, but I thought that was such a really interesting mashup of

1020
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:04,720
you know, kind of fast fashion with antiquity.

1021
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:05,720
I love that.

1022
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:10,880
Like, I don't wear things with very many buttons because I got a big boobs and that's just for

1023
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:11,880
me.

1024
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,960
But definitely I get that love.

1025
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,480
I mean, it's a whole thing.

1026
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,080
You remember they used to have bead and button magazine.

1027
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,360
I don't think they have that anymore.

1028
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,600
But that was a great magazine.

1029
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:27,440
I was in it several times and I even went to go meet with them at the bead and button

1030
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,440
show in Minneapolis.

1031
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,440
Yeah.

1032
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,680
And there's a button group on Facebook.

1033
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,680
I'm sure.

1034
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:37,680
Yeah.

1035
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,000
Which means everything is there.

1036
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,000
Yeah.

1037
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000
Yeah.

1038
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,280
So what are you going to do the rest of the day?

1039
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,160
Because it's an early day and we're almost out of time, but it's like being a new friend.

1040
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,160
Like we seriously have a lot of fun forever.

1041
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,160
Yeah.

1042
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,160
You ever come to Texas?

1043
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,320
You have to come find me.

1044
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:03,680
So today I am, oh, I need to do just some internet stuff like update some links and that

1045
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,880
sort of thing.

1046
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:11,680
And we're going to a music performance tonight.

1047
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,440
Hence the fancy pin.

1048
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,800
And your dress for the day.

1049
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:16,800
One of the way.

1050
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,800
Yeah.

1051
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,040
I'm going to be doing my dance and I might change my jewelry, but otherwise I don't have

1052
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,320
time to be changing my clothes.

1053
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,000
I have so much chaos on my desk right now.

1054
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:37,280
I've just finished four projects, which have gone off to the tech editor.

1055
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:44,800
And so one of the things that we had in knitting patterns and writers have the same thing is

1056
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,880
like a style guide.

1057
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:55,240
So I have a style guide, but I've been revamping all of my patterns.

1058
00:49:55,240 --> 00:50:02,600
And now I have the pattern tailor patterns, which are the ones that use my tool, online

1059
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,080
tool.

1060
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:10,480
So I think the balance of the day will be spent updating my style guide, which then goes

1061
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:18,200
out to my tech editors and anybody who does work for me so that they can do things the

1062
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:23,800
way I do it because I like the way I do things.

1063
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,160
And I don't like it when people do things differently.

1064
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,160
That's okay.

1065
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,800
You're allowed to be like that.

1066
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:31,800
You're paying them.

1067
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:32,800
Yeah.

1068
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:33,800
Yeah.

1069
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:39,080
So, you know, when I taught my students would, you know, ask me like, what do you want?

1070
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,080
What do you want?

1071
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:44,160
And I'm like, if I don't say something, I don't care.

1072
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:51,760
If I say, do not use Times New Roman, do not use Times New Roman, because I seriously object

1073
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:59,880
to that, which I objected to because it's, if you can't change, if you have access to

1074
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:07,360
300 fonts and you can't change the font and you're in a creative industry, then you need

1075
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,320
to rethink things.

1076
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,920
I remember, my sons called me out on that a long time ago.

1077
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:14,920
They're like, really?

1078
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:15,920
Yeah.

1079
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:16,920
Like, it was aerial.

1080
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,000
Like, is everything have to be aerial?

1081
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,520
Like, what else you got, mom?

1082
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,640
I'm like, oh, only like 400 fonts.

1083
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,640
Yeah.

1084
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,800
But, you know, it's readability, you know, there's certain things that, you know, I'm

1085
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,000
gravitating things that can quickly be seen.

1086
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,000
Yeah.

1087
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,720
And I did, I just made something and it was super little and, you know, the type font

1088
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,760
had to be like a six point at some point.

1089
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,280
And I'm like, you know, aerial, say, is there, and it's six points, you still can kind of

1090
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,280
read it.

1091
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,280
But, yeah.

1092
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,280
Yeah.

1093
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:51,040
And we have, that's like another thing that we have to take into account now is how, you

1094
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,280
know, you can't just post a picture.

1095
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,320
You have to put in the alternate text of somebody who can't see.

1096
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,320
Yes.

1097
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,320
Yes.

1098
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:09,280
And, you know, the thousands of steps, every single thing requires can just be mind boggling

1099
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,800
for a solo printer.

1100
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,800
So we're doing everything.

1101
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:13,800
Yeah, very good.

1102
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,440
And, you know, you have to do the SEO to make sure that it comes up.

1103
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,440
And, yeah.

1104
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,440
I had two pervers.

1105
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,440
So I get it.

1106
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:25,240
I have two guys that, one will work on this video and the other one is doing some other

1107
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:28,600
projects for me because I have to be able to multiply ourselves.

1108
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:38,600
It's just like AI, do my dishes, don't solve problems that don't need to be solved.

1109
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,760
I can handle all that.

1110
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:47,600
I just need somebody to do all that other stuff or fix my SEO or add tags or whatever.

1111
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:54,480
I had a great gal who used to do that for me and I think I'm going to have to hire her

1112
00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:00,280
back because what happens is that I just don't do it because it's too innervating.

1113
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,760
Well, it kind of sucks our energy out because we're creative.

1114
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:04,760
Yeah.

1115
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:10,400
And so some of those, you know, kind of admin kind of BS work is hard sometimes.

1116
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,760
I just go, oh my God, I need to list things.

1117
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:13,760
And it can take.

1118
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,040
So how do you handle your filing?

1119
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,040
Filing?

1120
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,040
I don't have filing.

1121
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,040
Yeah.

1122
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,040
So I have.

1123
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,120
I handed you my husband if it's for taxes.

1124
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,120
Here, keep this.

1125
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,240
No, I do the same.

1126
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:31,440
I mean, I can't be responsible for anything like that because I put everything in the

1127
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,440
shopping cart.

1128
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:33,440
I have space.

1129
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,440
I have everything in my world is all about me.

1130
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:42,600
Don't even make a file because my whole house, my whole house, the room next door is finished

1131
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,240
jewelry and I have a thousand pieces of finished jewelry.

1132
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:49,400
And then this is the bead room and also my studio.

1133
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,960
Then I have my work room and then I have the middle of the house is my work station.

1134
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,320
I also have a full time job with a big company.

1135
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,360
And so I have to have that my computers and I just kind of all new set up for my work

1136
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,360
station.

1137
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,360
It's been four years.

1138
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,880
I've been working at home and it was just kind of like that.

1139
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,960
Now it's all like it's like NASA.

1140
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:13,160
And then I have a table or dining room table is all the stuff that we go around mailing

1141
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:17,200
and organizing, you know, all that kind of stuff is on that table.

1142
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,840
So besides our bedroom and the kitchen, it, the whole house is joy.

1143
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:22,840
The whole house.

1144
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:23,840
So it's a sickness.

1145
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:24,840
Like seriously.

1146
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:25,840
So I get you.

1147
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:26,840
I got you.

1148
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:32,240
That's why I was, I was mesmerized at looking at your studio because it's very organized

1149
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:37,080
and and I was thinking, I don't know if I want to show everybody all my home.

1150
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,360
I was like, don't look over there.

1151
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,560
There's like lots of random stuff.

1152
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:48,160
But you know, if you ask me where the one bead is, I could find that bead.

1153
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,720
I'd be like, yeah, I know where that bead is.

1154
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:59,360
Yeah, I have piles on the floor and projects, and baskets and none of it is pretty.

1155
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,800
You can see over there that, you know, I had like some clear space.

1156
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,840
So I've just been piling things up there.

1157
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:14,320
And I sometimes will take photos and like post them to my story on Instagram to shame

1158
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,320
myself into cleaning up.

1159
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,320
Yeah, you do a good job.

1160
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,760
I like your Instagram and we're friends now on Instagram.

1161
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,600
So follow me to you.

1162
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:23,600
I do it.

1163
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,600
We'll keep up with each other.

1164
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,280
And so where can people find you?

1165
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,560
So let's talk through that because it's the end of our hour.

1166
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:36,160
So I am Jill will cut it every place online.

1167
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,720
So that's pretty easy.

1168
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:42,520
Just usually all one word.

1169
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:50,880
And Jill will cut nets.com is my website, you know, I'm on pay hip because they do

1170
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:56,680
that for purchases overseas.

1171
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:02,280
And as we said, I can't be trusted to do the tax collection for anything.

1172
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,600
So they do that.

1173
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:08,200
So I sell my things there.

1174
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,200
And pay hip.

1175
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,200
I haven't heard of it.

1176
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,200
Yeah.

1177
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,120
So it's actually pretty good.

1178
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:21,000
It's mostly for downloads, but they've started doing physical things.

1179
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:26,680
And you can use it to sell like instruction manuals, things like that, like if you were

1180
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,280
teaching a class.

1181
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:39,640
My education platform is Jill will cut nets dash education on New Zendler.

1182
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:49,760
And so I love paperwork and I always have because I like to write.

1183
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:54,560
And so when I teach a class, there's like tons of handouts and stuff.

1184
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,560
So it allows me to put that up.

1185
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:02,640
Like this would be a video that I would put up there so people can watch it again.

1186
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,840
And a lot of my stuff is free there.

1187
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:15,840
And so that's the other place is Jill will cut nets, hi, education.

1188
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,320
News handler dot com.

1189
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,320
And news handler dot com.

1190
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,320
But also find you on Instagram.

1191
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,320
Yeah, Instagram is great.

1192
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,480
DM me, you know, I do everything.

1193
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,800
So however you contact me, you are getting me.

1194
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,000
I think there's too many places to be contacted.

1195
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:42,240
I feel like they're well ever run with I look at messages and it's like really that happened

1196
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,400
like weeks ago and I didn't get a hit on it.

1197
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,680
And it's like, I missed that.

1198
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:53,040
Well, it's just like there's like multiple sources of information coming at you.

1199
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,280
And it's it's hard to check it.

1200
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,240
And I even send my voicemail.

1201
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,480
Don't leave me a voicemail.

1202
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,480
I don't check it.

1203
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:02,480
Text me.

1204
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,920
Because that's where we are in this world.

1205
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,920
Who has time for voicemail?

1206
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,640
No, that I hate my phone.

1207
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:14,520
And I always have the sound turned off, but I do check messages.

1208
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:20,480
And like I check Instagram and Facebook several times a day.

1209
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,280
And I set up things on Slack.

1210
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:29,600
So if I've got to interact with somebody, I use Slack because you can have lots of conversations

1211
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,600
over there.

1212
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,600
You don't have to follow an email trail.

1213
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,640
Yeah, any of the email channels.

1214
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:35,640
Yeah.

1215
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:42,520
So I use that a lot for communicating, but you know, something has to be set up.

1216
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:43,520
Yeah.

1217
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,520
So it has been a fast pleasure.

1218
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,720
And we are friends.

1219
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,560
So I hope you reach out to me.

1220
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,560
Do you think because I'm a product designer too, my son's a product designer in LA.

1221
00:58:54,560 --> 00:59:02,160
He designs products for like the big things, big, big, big things for like the Oscars and

1222
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,600
big traveling concerts for like Beyonce.

1223
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:06,600
He's got that.

1224
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,400
He came from my tree.

1225
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,040
So you know, we're the same.

1226
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,040
Him and I, you.

1227
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,280
Him and I, we're the same.

1228
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:18,280
We're always looking at everything and always thinking about that puzzle.

1229
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,720
Like how can that be improved?

1230
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,720
What is missing here?

1231
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,880
I think I've designed products all day long.

1232
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:24,880
Yeah.

1233
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:25,880
At what point?

1234
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,280
Yeah, I think we were in Melbourne and we were looking around.

1235
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:36,840
I can't even remember what for at the farmers market, which is like a permanent market.

1236
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:42,600
And I just turned to match and said, well, if we ever decide to come down here permanently,

1237
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,800
we can do this thing because there's nothing.

1238
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:52,200
It was like ready made lasagna or something like that, you know, and it was something you

1239
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,480
would think like they've got pasta shops.

1240
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:03,720
They have all these other things that you can buy, but there was like no meals, which

1241
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,320
we were staying in a service department.

1242
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,640
So I didn't want to be like making lasagna.

1243
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,520
I just wanted to heat some up.

1244
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,480
So yeah, I'm always like, what's what need is not being met?

1245
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,200
So yesterday, I had a.

1246
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:25,480
Yesterday on my podcast was a friend of mine in Indianapolis.

1247
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:34,440
And she has a company called send a friend lasagna has Stephanie daily and she is wonderful.

1248
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,680
And she started this little business right before the pandemic.

1249
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:43,240
So she was like in the gravy during the pandemic, sending like out, you know, 500 lasagna as

1250
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,560
a week and they're all from scratch and they were all wonderful.

1251
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,600
And you just order it up the day before it shows up the next day.

1252
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:54,520
And if you were in a hotel, you can probably heat that up somehow, but that's there is

1253
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,240
a really good thing for travelers.

1254
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,720
I don't think that's something she's thought of.

1255
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:03,240
So I'll pass that along and I'll tell them that we talked about her on this podcast.

1256
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,800
We always try and rent something that has at least a microwave.

1257
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:08,800
Yeah.

1258
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:13,200
But like in Australia, we would be sometimes 10 days someplace.

1259
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:18,360
So you know, we would get a place with a full line kitchen.

1260
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,040
But you don't have like olive oil.

1261
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,040
You don't have salt.

1262
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,540
You don't have pepper.

1263
01:01:22,540 --> 01:01:27,080
So you can really only do very basic salads.

1264
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,080
Yeah.

1265
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:29,080
Yeah.

1266
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:36,760
But that's how you pass that on to her because that is, you know, people who are traveling

1267
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:43,240
or like people who are going through cancer treatments and staying at one of those hotels,

1268
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:50,960
you know, nothing is more comforting than a lovely home cooked food that you love.

1269
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:51,960
Yeah.

1270
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:52,960
I agree with you.

1271
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:53,960
Yeah.

1272
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,440
And I ended up talking about somebody else, but we should end on you.

1273
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:03,600
I would say I'm so glad that you reached out to me because thanks to the Kraft Alliance

1274
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,600
and we're so happy that we're both members.

1275
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,960
I'm very much a proud member.

1276
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,400
So I hope that we see each other again.

1277
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:12,400
I'll see each other.

1278
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:13,400
I'll zoom in.

1279
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:14,400
Yeah.

1280
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,640
But if you ever have any needs for jewelry, I got your back, girl.

1281
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:19,640
Okay.

1282
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,400
Jill has been really a great hour.

1283
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,240
It's gone by super fast and I've learned a lot and I hope other people that are listening

1284
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:34,320
have really enjoyed listening to Jill's journey because it overlaps with everything, all kinds

1285
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:35,320
of entrepreneurs.

1286
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:36,320
We're creators.

1287
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:37,400
We're makers.

1288
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,200
We have that gift that we're creating things for other people.

1289
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:41,200
Yeah.

1290
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,480
People happy to and make our souls happy because I think that that's not good.

1291
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:51,120
So I appreciate you and I'm going to stop the recording now and we will end this for

1292
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,160
now, but thank you.

1293
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,160
Thank you so much.

1294
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:59,440
And you can watch for Jill's all just information will be in the description so you can contact

1295
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:00,440
her there.

1296
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,440
But one more time it's on Instagram.

1297
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:03,440
It's Jill Wolcott.

1298
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:04,440
Will cut.

1299
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:05,440
Will cut.

1300
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:06,440
Will cut.

1301
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:07,440
W-O-L-C-O-T-T.

1302
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:08,440
Yes.

1303
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:09,440
And yeah.

1304
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,440
Yes.

1305
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:11,440
Yeah.

1306
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:12,440
You can find her.

1307
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,160
You can find me and I'm connected to her.

1308
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:22,360
And just let me know if you need any of those things for the information.

1309
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:23,360
I will.

1310
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,320
I thank you very much and have a great rest of your day and a great weekend.

1311
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,320
It's the summer solstice.

1312
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:30,320
Yes.

1313
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:31,320
Yes.

1314
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,320
Go dance around the fire naked tonight.

1315
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:35,720
And the strawberry mints.

1316
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,320
We're going to go look for that tonight.

1317
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:38,320
Okay dear.

1318
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:45,320
Have a great rest of your day.