Hi. Hello. Welcome to Jewelry Azure Side Hustle.
Hello, it's Sugar Gay Yosemore. Today we have a very special guest and I'm really glad to have her on here.
It wouldn't have kind of been a great podcast series if I didn't have her on here because we're friends from the nest.
So we kind of go, we have a little bit of time that we've spent together and learning about each other stuff.
And I'm just so glad that she's on here. And now I'm going to let her introduce herself and talk about her company.
And then we'll kind of wedge ourselves in as we go. So take it away. Let's hear it.
Welcome to my podcast.
Thank you, Sugar. My name is Elaine Hudson and I am the founder and CEO of Social Justice Jewelry,
which is a stainless steel message jewelry company that puts out messages of strength and peace and support of social justice issues.
And you've also, though, you've taken it further than that.
I was, I was interesting to see your piece that you were making during the eclipse, for example, because you really don't maybe started off there,
but you've really like expounded greatly on your skills and teaching yourself and learning and all of that, right?
Yeah. Well, actually, I started learning about stone on from a fellow jeweler guy named Ryan Gardner.
And so he does a lot of stone in stone and stone on stone setting.
And so I learned about that 2022 or something like that.
And so I started, I was just very inspired by it. And then it happened around the same time as the release of the James Webb Space Telescope images.
And when I started looking at the images, I just started seeing them in gemstones.
So it's just like I might as well make some.
So that was why it was perfect for the eclipse.
You said that you were making what was it Citrin and obsidian or something like that.
So I've got a citrin that I haven't cut yet, but I think I'm going to cut it too.
But I have a yellow oak bowl and then it has a black obsidian with a yellow gold bezel around it sat inside of it and then sat on inside the top of it.
Stone in stone is a bezel set rose cut diamond for like the Corona crown.
Oh my God.
No, you got to I mean, you were out there to see the eclipse, correct?
Like, yes, did you see it right when it happened?
Like, yeah, I was at it just as the the clouds just broke for a second and just enough to see the Corona.
So right before this, I mean, we were like in suspense.
Are we going to get to see it? Are we going to not going to get to see it?
And I was thinking about you because I thought, well, you know, to be inspired by things around us is normal as jewelry makers.
But that was such a special day that you were really celebrating it with a design on its own.
Yeah, so I'm still working on it because I I ended up getting the order of operations a little wrong because I kept trying to set the diamond a little bit too early.
No, a little bit too late after I had already kind of cut the opal and there wasn't enough room for it.
And then finally, I was like, I have to do this early, early, early and then shape this tote around the opening.
And so now I yeah, close.
I just have to put the the final bail and bezel on it.
So but it's looking good.
I can show you a photograph later.
So I would love to see it, you know, so think about where you've taken that you started off really with words, you know, like, I think, you know,
my first piece was my allergy bracelet that says I'm allergic to and then various social injustices, sexism.
I'm allergic to racism.
I'm allergic to homophobia.
I'm allergic to bullying.
I'm allergic to antisemitism.
I started with those five and now I have five more.
And then I added an I'm an ally bracelet.
So I'm an ally for disability justice, environmental justice, gender justice, reproductive justice and social justice.
And then I also the antidote to the allergy.
My antidote bracelet says treat with kindness, love, respect, humanity and dignity.
I mean, I think all of us, we all wear jewelry for so many different reasons, you know, it's in our DNA, like it's just to adorn ourselves and be noticed to be part of a tribe.
And, you know, like all of that came from like, way, way, way back.
And I love that part about with that we make jewelry.
It's just a connection to our past.
And these words really did, you know, they really came out of like the movement of just like, be heard.
Be seen, like listen to what I'm saying.
Look what I'm wearing.
I want to be part of that group.
And I mean, I, I, I know that that's, you know, where it all kind of started from those were all kind of crazy times.
But now to see that it's really gone into beautification of stone on stone setting, which is something that you gravitated for early on, because it's like super hard.
Like I bought you for that.
It was something that I hadn't seen before, so I always love to see something kind of new and fresh.
And so it was just like the kind of freshest kind of setting that I had seen before.
So like it was beautiful, something totally different.
I agree.
Yeah, even though I often am just using kind of the bezels and sometimes prongs on the outside, but it's just like a new way to put them all together.
So I really enjoyed it a lot.
And I like color a lot.
So using the colored stones is always, is always good.
Now you just had so I was invited to it only.
I'm not part of the group that you're a part of, but I want to be a part of that group, the Austin Jewelry Society.
I don't know what it's called.
It's Jewelry Association.
The Williams.
Yeah.
So we had another guest on it.
You know, Katie and Katie Kismet, Jewelry and her Austin Bolos.
And she is the communications director for that group.
I didn't know that.
So she said that she would send me an invite.
So I definitely want to come to y'all's next big mixer.
So I just couldn't RSVP.
So I was trying to figure out how to do that because I'm not a member.
But anyway, I'm going to be there because y'all that's part of my group.
I've been hearing about this group since a long time ago, like a few years ago.
I think when we first got together for a nest, there was somebody that was in it.
Was it you that was in it?
Haley.
Haley LeMonte.
Haley.
I haven't seen her in a while.
I need to reach out to her and yeah.
J.A. Austin.
So yeah.
Yeah.
So tell me about your case.
So I know you've had a lot of wins.
Like you've really like from when we first met, which was through Nest, the Tory Burch Association.
And then from there you went on and you did was it Goldman Sachs?
Right.
Uh-huh.
It's a it's called one million black women in business and it's one of the small business kind of courses that Goldman Sachs does.
They also do something called 10,000 small businesses.
And so they bring you in, give you an orientation and then you have lots of homework in between over months and they just give you a nice thorough education and kind of finances, how to figure out more about your customers and kind of now I'm losing some of my jargon.
And how the cost of acquiring each customer and just giving you to think more about look at your books, look at your books, look at your books and that unless I'm still trying to digest that your books are not you.
If something isn't right, it doesn't mean that you're not right.
It just means that you have to change something about your business.
So.
We've learned a lot, haven't we from I know coming through these kind of online courses.
I think we were kind of like early in that scope of like learning about all this because now I kind of see it like, you know, I just did a big boot camp for a week for entrepreneurs and you know, it's the same really the same five things, you know, like this kind of rent and repeat.
But haven't we grown a lot?
Have you grown a lot?
Because I feel like I've learned so much in the past couple of years.
Yeah, I do.
And I like for that that Goldman Sachs stuff, I thought it was going to just all be the same.
But we really got a little bit deeper into because usually they're just like, who is your customer?
Give them a name.
Give them a persona.
And I've always been like, I don't want to do this because it seems like stereotyping.
But in this one, they were just like, maybe you think about also like where might they get their news and information from?
Where might they be looking that you could pop up for them?
So I found that kind of very helpful who might bear who else might be in their life that they could either buy for or that could introduce them to your product.
So just kind of thinking about kind of networks, which I found interesting and I do.
I feel like I've learned a lot because sometimes I forget that other people don't take advantage of all of these things.
And so sometimes I've been sitting in meetings with other entrepreneurs and just been like, oh, wait a minute.
No, everything I've ever learned says not to do the thing that you're thinking about doing.
So can you tell me about why you're doing that?
And they're just like, oh, it just seemed right.
And I'm just like, well, not saying it won't work, but.
School of hard knocks.
I think it's kind of like after you after we've become kind of educated from our educators and mentored and kind of gone through all this,
it's kind of like part of the challenge of us is to take the message out a little bit farther.
That's kind of why I'm doing this podcast.
Like I think I've learned so much and not really having, you know, not really knowing that I didn't know all this stuff
because I had three stores before all this.
Like I've gone through the world.
It's just like, like, you know, and now I feel definitely more empowered.
Definitely a million little baby steps to get here.
That's what I would say.
Right.
Exactly.
Yes.
And we've and we've met a lot of people.
That's the other part of the journey is, you know, finding a community like you being like, I have a WhatsApp group and that we're in together.
So we can like kind of quickly go back and forth together.
So it is really important to have that kind of, you know, somebody to be help to be held responsible to somebody to like talk to them about,
you know, like we're on the same playing field, but you've had a lot of big wins.
So I know you're in a museum gift store, for example, here in Austin.
That's a really big win.
Tell us about that because I know a lot of people would would love that.
And I know you've done a lot.
So it's just like one thing I'm remembering and like, oh, yeah, tell us about that because that's.
So I at the very beginning, I thought that I would just look for museums with what I call a point of view like a social justice point of view.
So I have been in I need to read out to them to see what else they might need.
I've been in the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum gift store in the Whitney Plantation, which instead of being like all gowns wasn't this house pretty.
It's all about teaching about the life of the enslaved on plantations and it's outside of New Orleans.
And so I've been thinking more about places like that when somebody was just like, oh, well, you might as well reach out to the plant.
And I was just like, oh, they're an art museum.
I don't think of that.
But then, you know, it was after 2020 and people were thinking more about, well, what, what, who are our patrons?
Are we reaching out to enough people?
What do our exhibits look like?
How many women and people of color are we collecting in our in our permanent collections?
And so people started thinking more about those kinds of things and the plant as well.
So I reached out to their to the buyer at the plant and and she was just like, oh, yeah, well, show me this, show me that, show me the other thing.
And luckily, I, I always find that if I'm doing things that feel all legit, then I feel more legit and I can present myself better.
And so the first thing I did was get a business bank account, even though I didn't have all that much money in it, made sure that I got a sales and tax exemption number.
You know, just made sure that I was kind of putting all my ducks in a row that I could.
And so she was just like, oh, you know, I have to make sure that it's, you know, I'm not giving a kind of buy things from.
Random person.
So I was able to kind of show her my website, show her my other customers.
And then also, yeah, give her all of the information that she needed to make sure that the University of Texas could pay me legally and all those other kinds of things.
So and then I was a legit company and that I'd be able to produce the things that she bought.
So it was all good.
So social proof, you know, that's something that I've learned about, you know, that's something that people, they do look at, you know, go to reviews.
They want to see, you know, all those things that, you know, the, do you have a website?
Do you have an Instagram?
Do you have this like those quick things that they can quickly check off the go?
Oh, yeah, you're a real person.
Like I totally get that.
And I think that was really smart of you to think, oh, wait, they buy something.
They're going to want to have all of that, all of those number kind of things in place.
Like that's one, one thing I would have not thought of.
So that was pretty smart of you.
I mean, kind of made some mistakes all along the way because I knew that there was kind of wholesale and retail, but I was, it was before I had taken any kind of course on wholesale or on kind of pricing for wholesale.
And so I was just doing what my suppliers were doing, which was usually like a 30 or 40% discount for having a wholesale.
So I always tried to get a, make sure I was getting a, a wholesale account with my suppliers.
And so then when I went to kind of sell to, to museums, I was just like, oh, 40% discount.
And, and some people didn't mind, but others were just like, okay, no, that's never gonna fly.
And then I learned more about pricing.
So, and have kind of gone from there.
Yeah.
The pricing is a tricky part of it, right?
Even like when I think about your braces, I'm like, okay, how do you even put a price tag on it?
Cause it's like a half circle or a semi circle or it's just, it's like a cuff, right?
Yeah.
How'd you figure out like that little piece of business even like sticking a tag on there?
Yeah.
So, so yeah, that's kind of been tough depending on what like what the display was like.
So usually when I've been in pop up stores and that kind of thing, I don't, I haven't had prices directly on the pieces.
Right.
Just had like a list of prices for the different pieces that were there.
And then for actually that was one thing that I hadn't quite thought about when I first did a wholesale order to the Holocaust Memorial Museum.
They were just like, and you'll, you know, and you have a way of tagging everything.
And I was like, oh, yes, yes, I do.
So that they would kind of know and not have to guess what was in each of the bags.
So yeah, I just got a looked around and found a nice little kind of inexpensive tagging system.
And then it all went on the outside of the bags.
So that would, that's works when I'm sending things to folks.
But then I found that it wasn't so helpful when I was out bending because it was hard to, I would have to put everything back in the same bag.
And it just took a long time after.
Yeah.
So I switched from from that for my vending and came up with a different way of size of kind of size ordering them and displaying them in my kind of back inventory.
And then just displaying the samples out in the front with the and yeah, coming up with a good system.
So I just have like samples.
So I always ask, you know, tell people they'll take a look and I'll be like, but first thing that we should do is kind of find your size and then have some samples that I had to keep.
At one point I was just like, okay, I keep selling the samples sometimes.
So finally, I just took some seconds and made sure that I put the size on them and they were samples and then put them in a special place so that they won't, I won't sell them out or anything like that.
So yeah, it's just kind of slowly but surely kind of figure out what you need to to be organized and to especially your out bending to make that bending experience more.
Easier, easier to take out put away.
It's especially putting away.
So I was like, oh, I'm so tired.
I know we just want to shove it in things like it always shows up to the event all nicely wrapped and tagged and then at the end is like, it's like, it's like the poor stepchildren.
I'm saying like Cinderella goes out like a stepchild like.
So I've been trying to, yeah, so I've worked on that and kind of gotten that down even though I don't do very many pop ups anymore.
I'm trying to, yeah, so one of the things that I've also done is just kind of look for a business incubator and found one here through somebody who shot my photographer who took pictures of my of my products and really helped her kind of think about a lot of things.
And go forward.
So I'm doing that again this time around and really get a target getting my wholesale business a lot stronger than it's been before.
I love wholesale.
Don't you?
I just like here.
I love it.
Like if I could only do one thing, it would just be wholesale.
But you know, I'm kind of like have to be a little bit scattered because you know, custom custom things are one thing.
But I would love this.
I'd love more wholesale.
So I'm working on it.
That's my goal for, you know, at least 10 accounts in the next 100 days or something.
Because it's nice to kind of meet customers.
And it's always a blast when you're at a show or you're at a market and you see somebody kind of hurrying over and then you're just like, oh, I recognize that person.
They're just like, oh, you're here.
I wanted to buy another bracelet.
This is what mine looks like now.
I bought this six months ago.
I never take it off.
And yeah.
So all the stories that come out about it are.
It's so good to meet our customers, isn't it?
Yeah.
And so I do like that a lot about popups.
And it helps.
It always helps me kind of think about new products and the like and kind of show new ones to people, get their opinions and ideas about it.
See how they interact with it.
But yeah, some of these Texas summers.
Yeah.
Being outside is no fun.
Yeah, I'm in the middle of August.
Yeah.
Now we are.
So we're a few weeks away from Mother's Day.
Do you have anything special for your customers for Mother's Day?
So I always kind of really put forward my treat with love and treat with kindness.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I always want to show that to their mothers.
And then also I'm trying to push forward the so as you've been talking about, I've been making these kind of stone gemstone pieces.
Some of them in 18th year at bold, but then also some of them in stainless steel as well.
So just kind of that universal idea of a mother's love.
And I call the collection the universe.
So I've been kind of pushing those out, including probably hard to see them, but I've got these earrings that are less that those are beautiful.
What's in the center?
It's a petrified wood.
Oh, it's one of my favorites.
And it's the color of a picture of the planet Venus from so that's why I made it with the symbol for woman.
Oh, I'm the Venus.
That's perfect.
Yeah. And so then I was well.
So and now working with stainless steel is hard, though, isn't it?
Yeah, it is.
It took all took a lot to get used to and it's really hard when it gets hard.
And if you're trying to anneal it, it can get really dirty and then it can be really hard to clean up because you can't really, or at least I haven't found a pickle that really works on it.
So but I think it's worth it just because it's I still think of it as a really noble kind of metal.
A lot of people use it for, you know, timepieces, really expensive timepieces.
And I I started using it because it doesn't tarnish.
It doesn't turn your your risk.
Yeah.
Or at least most people's skin, funny colors.
Yeah, and it's just super durable and it's pretty much going to look like it in the day that you bought it unless you really, really try to mangle it or it really accidentally gets mangled.
And I love it that we're we're also both wearing kind of similar jewelry today.
Look, I have a this is a really old Spanish de bloom that I bought.
Oh my gosh, or for almost 40 years ago.
So I just put it on a chain recently.
It was kind of like it's been it's gone through a lot in 40 years.
And then you're wearing so tell me about what you're wearing.
So actually, this also came from my my class with I have no idea if my glasses are glasses.
Yeah, so this is my logo.
I call it the power of peace because the middle symbol is an African West African symbol for power.
And then the outsides are the olive branches for peace, so I call it the power peace symbol.
And so this is actually glass and stainless steel and the glass.
The other thing I learned how to do was carve.
No way.
And so I carved the symbol into the glass and then fill it with 22 karat gold leaf and then put a pearl backing on it.
Oh my God, I bow to you.
So you're making into logos like ain't this is like ancient Rome like yeah, that is so cool.
I've never met anybody that learned how to do that.
Like that must be so crazy hard.
Yeah, so I can carve into but I can't do the relief carving.
I can't remember which one is in Taglia if it's the one that jumps out or if it's the one that you recessed.
But I like I love both of them.
But I just yeah, so I just do the carving into it and yeah, and then it's all protected by the glass.
And then I always love the mother of pearl always gives it a beautiful and then like the silvery mother of pearl against the gold is.
Yeah, I like it quite a bit.
Now that is quite a piece.
Can you replicate that because that looks like that would be a really great seller.
Yeah, so I just started selling it recently even though I started making it a while ago.
But yeah, I can replicate it by using a little technology.
So I I engrave just superficially engrave the in order to get the design where I want it on the glass.
I just superficially engrave it with a laser engraver.
So that way it's always going to be the same.
And from there I I carved with Strangelina diamond and crested dental tools.
Gotta love me some teeth tools.
I'm a dentist daughter, so that makes it.
Love that.
Yeah, well, that is like you're really you're you're always learning.
So what's the next thing that you want to learn?
Because I think it's great that we always are thinking about like we're always increasing our knowledge.
Like I'm proud of you for that too.
Me too.
I'm always trying to learn something new.
Yeah, so actually I took the class like it was like a virtual class and I took it actually at my new jewelry school that I now co-own.
Tell us about it.
Go ahead.
I want to hear the jeweler saw and we just started teaching classes.
In March, we had to put the school together because the studio in the jewelry school that I used before decided to close its doors in 10 days after it out to get in November.
In the middle of terrible timing.
Yeah, the holiday season.
And so five of us who have known each other for a while, we're just like, oh, we really think it's important that this go forward some because.
They just been part of it for a long period of time, some because they had worked there, some because they would like to use it.
I'm really think of the six of us, the only person who studio, you know, had her studio had my studio there.
Everybody else had kind of were able to have a studio in their house or something like that.
But so we just all got together for various reasons.
We've known each other for a long time are kind of some of us better friends than others.
But yeah, yeah, I've just been in orbit with each other for somewhere between, I would say, one person I've known since 2000 and now we all know each other a lot better.
I love the word orbit.
That's a great way of saying it.
Yeah.
And where is this school?
Can other people come?
That is in between it's 2801 South I-35 fronted road.
It's in the back of a complex called Good Dead Studios, which is lots of different kinds of artists there.
And it's on the northbound fronted road between Woodward to the south and Old Torf to the north.
Okay, so South part of Austin, so over the over the lake and then down there.
So that won't be affected in that new 35 thing that they're going to be going over.
Y'all are y'all are good on that.
Yeah, apparently not.
So that's great because they're going to close down the side.
That's about that.
Yeah, I thought it went all the way down to yeah, William Cannon, but apparently we're not going to be affected by it.
So can other people come to learn from you there?
I like if they get a hold of you, they get a hold of you.
But I'm not teaching classes, but I'm trying to put together a class on how to use the micro tig welder because that's what I use in order to make my stainless steel pieces.
I've seen where people say that there's a way of soldering stainless steel, but I don't have to do it. So I weld it with the micro tig welder.
And so I'm going to give a little class on even if you're not using stainless steel, I just refuse to solder a jump ring closed ever again when you can just do it with the micro tig welder.
That's optional.
Zap it.
Yeah, and then it's also very helpful even when you're just fabricating when you've got lots of little fiddly pieces and you need to put them on in a certain way.
You can like tack it with the micro tig welder and then put it all on the soldering block and then solder every thing all at once instead of having to try and do it piece by piece, going from hard to medium to easy solder.
So I like that as well. I just feel more secure.
I'm able to do everything with like hard or medium solder, mostly hard solder and then.
But actually, so I was I sat there and we do we teach classes, but you can also just come in and you can have a 24 seven membership, which is what I had before at the other studio.
And so you can come and go as you please.
If you're a night owl or extreme morning person or if you're an experienced jeweler will kind of check out your skills, make sure that you're comfortable and we're comfortable with you being in the studio.
If you have to be there by yourself and then.
Yeah, you can work.
You can also come in daily for an hourly if you just need to use a torch because you don't want to have a torch in your home or you don't have a rolling mill or don't have one of our.
The empty bits of equipment, a hydraulic press microtigualtor and the light and then we also give classes and we classes for where you just come in for assisted studio or or assistance with some things.
And we also have casting services and then we're about to start doing kind of project beginner classes where you can just get your feet wet with it and then decided that something else you want to do and then we'll start offering basic classes so that you can get all of the skills that you need.
Kind of going forward.
And then we're going to be doing a seminar in three to three week classes and and then also we're hoping to offer and in fact we are offering some advanced courses to where we have one where people learn how to do represent with wax.
And then we also have a kids camp coming up in June so.
People get a hold of you so say the name again and then how do they get a hold of you to or or how do they get to you to do this like that step.
The jeweler saw.org is our website and SAW saw right the jeweler saw the jeweler saw so this is there in the middle jeweler saw.
Yeah and then we have sign up for classes calendar to see what's going on and all of the information about our daily hourly and monthly rentals does the jeweler saw have an Instagram page.
Yes we sure do and it's the jeweler saw as well.
Right and then in your Instagram is is social justice jewelry and then my and my website is social justice jewelry dot com.
So where are you going to be next so people want to come find you besides the jeweler saw, which I think is a great place if anybody is in the Austin area and wants to learn about jewelry want Wow what a resource.
Actually, the best places to catch me on my web page right now.
I don't have.
I'm looking at some Juneteenth events, but other than that I don't have any kind of marketplaces like I say out there I'm kind of working on my wholesale.
So hopefully you'll see me in a museum or retail store near you soon.
And then, but yeah, and I've just learned how to tension set I guess it's not all the rage anymore where you just have like a gemstone and then it's just set into a little by the tension and the hardness of the metal so just
learn how to set and so I'm looking around for different ways that I might be able to use that with gemstones and stone on stones and see if I could even maybe be able to achieve it and stainless steel without cracking something to pieces.
I love how you're always pushing you're pushing the boundaries of things like, you know, seriously, like, I know you're for the most part you were self taught.
And now you just keep learning and learning and learning so.
No, actually, I, I, I'm a, this is my side hustle.
My main job is that I'm a university history professor at Houston Tillitson University.
And at my first university was called I taught at a university that's now called Missouri State University, Southwest Missouri.
And one of the things that you get is one of the perks is that you can take classes and I knew that I'd take classes to express my artistic self because my mom was always an artist and a DIYer and I got it from her and so I looked at the
course catalog and they had metal smithing jewelry making so you'll laugh at this. I just thought to myself, oh, I can take this Colombian emerald that my mother gave me when I was 21.
I could just learn how to set it the first semester.
Did you?
I thought that set a little valuable. But you know, I'm the same way because at Austin Community College, that's where I teach jewelry design.
I really try to gear those classes, a lot of them to the employees because they get three classes to take her year for free.
And so I think that's been a really good source for students because a lot of people, you know, that's a perk of being in a college setting is that you get to like, you know, have a little bit of love there.
So that's kind of the same and I love history. I'm gonna get me started. Oh my God, like I would love to talk history with you. Like I didn't really think I knew that somehow or I don't know.
Sure, of course.
I'm a graduate of history. I'm primarily I teach, I teach some American history, but I'm actually a historian of modern Africa and the modern Middle East.
Which I would love to if you have any lectures, please include me. I've written a book about some of that. So I've got a book, but it's about the continent of Africa.
So anyway, there's a lot of crossover. I couldn't get started.
I was just we'll have to wrap it up for now. But seriously, we do have to wrap it up now because it's been an hour and I really appreciate this time and I think that other people that are listening, they will and if they're metal smithing, they will hear the words that you're using these different techniques that you're using.
They can seek you out if they want to learn more. I know you have a really great product and you and I have done a lot of interesting things together.
Armeis was one of them that we we got to go do and we have a good crossover. So going forward, I hope to see more of you and I hope we get to see you in real person again soon.
So that would be another nice thing. So we should plan on that. But you know what, there's a wine bar down kind of where you are that is all about South African wine that I've always wanted to try.
I'm like, oh, maybe we should have a little gathering there and go test out. It's just African wine. That's all that they sell. I thought that's kind of fun. So we'll have to come up with some reason.
Yeah, me and you and Katie and all the best girls.
Yeah, it would be really great. And you know, I just want to see some of your pieces close up because I know they're really beautiful person.
I love it that you're really taking everything to a new level so people can learn from you. Thank you.
Yeah, happy to learn about all of your suppliers and doing the environmental work of helping to kind of get older.
Grab what you called it, older. Old new, new old stock.
Yes, yeah, new old stock.
I'm not sure that it doesn't go into the landfill, but it's, yeah, adorns people.
Yeah. Now I'm just become the new hoarder because it's like, anyway, it's great.
Well, thank you again for being on my podcast, Jewelry as your side hustle, because we all our hearts, our passions are really in jewelry and we have our other passions that kind of feed some of this some dollars towards where we're all we're going.
Because this is our life is that, you know, we're creators. And so I really respect that about you and I'd love to see you in person and give you a big hug and I'd like to see some of your jewelry in person too and I'm proud of you for the jewelry saw school because I'd love to just come in there and
I don't know, maybe I could teach a class on hand linking jewelry or something. I don't know for a proxy clay, which I love.
Yeah, yeah, we'll have to talk about it.
Okay, well, thank you again for your time. And it's been a pleasure. Elaine Hudson saying I'm so glad to have you and reach out to her on Instagram. And it's the social justice jewelry and the jeweler saw the jeweler saw.
Okay, well, thanks again and I look for tell other people if they want to be in my podcast. It's so easy just get that link and put it on my calendar and I love talking to people about the jewelry business so I'm always learning something and I learned something from you today.
So thank you.
Thank you very much. Thank you for the invitation.
Thank you. We'll talk again soon. Thanks.