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Hey, folks, we have John Burton on today as our guest.

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John is a podcaster, a professional musician, producer,

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writer, dad, surfer, songwriter and a close hound.

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The Sunlight Moonlight podcast starts now.

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That is some chorus.

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Like that's a lot of people.

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Live.

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I think it's very cool how that so the sort of the size of the chorus

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and the amount of people.

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I think when you think about it, it like is commensurate

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with the power of the song and the message that's that's trying to get

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across there as far as I mean, the song.

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So the song won't be broken.

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This is the brainchild of our guest today, John Burton here on the

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Sunlight Moonlight podcast.

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John's a friend and a neighbor of mine and we've known each other a few years.

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And the last few months has been completely fascinating to watch

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everything that John has been doing around the song and this idea that he had.

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I don't know if I've ever seen someone sort of like, you know, John,

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John lives a very documented life.

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And so watching him sort of come up with this idea publicly and sort of say,

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you know, he's a guy who's sort of like says what he's going to do and then does it.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And then and then says, hey, look what I did.

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And it's amazing.

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So this is a this is a song that was created by John.

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The won't be broken as the name of the song.

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And it's really the the lifted project is the sort of idea around the song

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and the idea is to bring.

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Awareness to John's these four charities that John has chosen for in and around

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the Hudson Valley.

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So we've got Hudson River Housing, Berkshire Center for Children,

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Hudson Valley Animal Rescue and Kidney for Clark.

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These are four major charities that need attention and need care and feeding.

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And John had this idea like, hey, let's do this.

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Let's get all of these, you know, crazy talented musicians together in one place

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to not only record this song, I think he referred to it as like the Hudson Valley

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version of We Are The World.

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But it's like, hey, what what can what does everybody want this, you know,

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to sort of symbolize and to represent?

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And so many of these people and these musicians, these talented folks

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volunteered their time and energy and voted on these charities to say, hey,

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like these are the charities we want to support.

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And so it's really it's it's a totally fascinating thing.

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The most fascinating thing I think about this song and John is that this

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this song and the Lifted Project by John Burton

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are like a drop in the bucket.

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Regardless, just in John's life and everything that John is doing,

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you know, writing music, performing music.

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He's got so many irons in the fire.

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Lot of you know what I mean?

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Like, like, he's a busy guy, you know, and it's it's very inspiring.

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So so let I think let's let's get them on, you know, because I think

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we have we have a lot of ground to cover.

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We do. And I think, you know, irons in the fire.

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I mean, that's it's it's something that, you know, I think John has been doing

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a long time. Hello, John. There he is.

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Hey, guys. How are you, man?

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I'm doing good, but I don't want to talk.

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You guys talking about me is much more comfortable than me talking about you.

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Let's just do an hour off, sit and and keep on.

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You know, it's great. It's funny because if you weren't here,

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Ryan and I would just sit here and talk about ourselves.

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And so that's it's not.

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All right. We're tired of talking about ourselves.

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Not nearly as interesting, but I know way too much about Dom.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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It's there's not we have nothing left to talk about, Ryan.

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That's why we started talking to other people.

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Friendship ran its course.

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So you started a podcast.

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Basically, we got we got bored of each other and we said,

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let's start bringing some other people into these conversations.

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We need to start seeing other people.

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That's right. That's right.

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And now we're seeing John Burton here, man of many talents.

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John and John's got a pretty fantastic journey.

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I think, you know, the the the the marketing acumen and Ivy style.com

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and the sort of origins of that along with some some personal stuff

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and then graduating all the way to home from here,

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which is John's fantastic podcast that's up to what, 150 episodes now.

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Oh, thanks. Yeah, we posted 154.

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That's I mean, that's just incredible.

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And then all the way through to the lifted project.

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I want to get to all of it.

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Ryan, do you do you want to kick us off here?

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You had some really good ideas for John.

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Well, yeah, I am.

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John, it's something that really resonated with me and I want to just make sure I want to ask you.

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You've had this a lot of this started from a mental health journey that you've been on.

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I don't know if you want to get into that.

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I was crazy.

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I've been on a mental health journey myself and I really what what I've read really resonates with me.

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Oh, wow. That's great.

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Can you get into that a little bit?

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Do we curse or do we not curse?

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Go for it.

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Okay, good.

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Okay, good. So about 10 years ago, I'm facing 350 years in jail and I'm starting to break down and I could I could feel it.

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I could feel my head cracking of mentally.

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So through the legal system and through my own doctors, I wind up being diagnosed with seven different mental illnesses for which I get seven different medications.

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Oh, my.

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One of these medications and they're counter they're counter indicating and and I'm I'm not crazy anymore.

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When I say crazy, I mean like sitting in your underwear with a BB gun looking for aliens crazy.

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And by the way, and by the way, still being home at dinner as a dad and keeping that part that part was segregated.

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So all the all these one of the medications I'm on is lithium and turns out if you're John, lithium is toxic.

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So the drug that I'm taking so that I don't kill myself is actually killing me and I feel it.

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So I go to my whole world and I say I take it myself, pull Turkey off the stop and everybody quit me.

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My wife, everybody quit me.

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Nobody wanted to be around the crazy.

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And I did it called Turkey.

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One person hung around with my daughter and she was seven at the time and we had a little house in North Salem or look in the reservoir and everybody left.

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My daughter stayed and Trish would check in periodically.

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She didn't complete.

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And I detox with my daughter for a summer and it started of two weeks just in a just in towels, nothing but towels and ripping and changing the towels every three hours to, you know, a week of throwing up to chills.

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I mean, it was nuts.

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And I had decided I was going to take my own life at that point.

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And I had a plan and the plan was get through the summer with pregnancy.

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Grammarcy is my daughter get through the summer with Grammarcy and then when she's back in school and has a support network, take my life and it would go a little bit easier because there would be some distract.

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So she she she's there through the rehab and she would she would call people and advocate for me at seven years old.

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She would make peanut butter sandwiches.

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She would force me to shower.

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And when I could walk, she would take me outside and walk me in circles and make up these really elaborate long stories so that I would get fresh air because she knew I wouldn't interrupt her if I got fresh air.

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If I got wish she was telling a story.

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So as as the summer progresses, I start to feel a little bit better, but still going to take my life because there's still the whole 350 years in jail thing that's not going to go well.

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So it's so the summer ends and I'm a day away from doing it.

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And it dawns on me that if I do this, the only lesson Grammarcy is going to have for the rest of her life is all hard work leads to somebody dying.

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And I couldn't have that.

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So it's like said, all right, I'm going to have to manage myself another way.

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And the way I the way I decided is I get up three four o'clock every single morning.

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I do three handwritten pages of whatever it can be bullshit.

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It can be watermelon.

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It can be it can be the next great novel.

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It can be anything I then meditate for half an hour.

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I then make good decisions for the rest of the day until I mediate again in the afternoon.

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And then I just make good decisions till I go to bed and doing that.

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I've done that every day for about 10 years now.

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I'm as close to clear as I think I'm going to get.

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You seem clear.

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I mean, you seem like I mean, you telling the story.

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You were a completely different person.

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I mean, yeah, I had a double.

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Yeah, crazy.

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I mean, do you.

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Wow, it's almost like I mean, I'm trying to compare what you just told me to what I'm seeing now.

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And it's like it's two different people.

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It, you know, yeah, yeah, I manage it.

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I mean, I treat it like I treat it and it may it may be gone.

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But I still treat it like chronic condition.

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I treat it like I have it every day.

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I manage it every day.

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And yeah, and and my life is my life really has turned around because of it.

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It's crazy because I mean, I literally met John on the street during COVID.

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Or it was like right before COVID, you're like walking your dog.

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And we just said hello.

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And I think I might have been, I might have been smoking pot out on the street or something like that.

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But that's what attracted me.

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But and to know that I mean, that was that was years ago that was what probably four or five years ago.

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And to understand, to know now that like obviously we didn't get into it, you know, any of that, that moment, you know, it was nighttime.

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Like it was just night and you were you were wearing a headlamp and it was red.

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And I said, are you the devil?

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No, we're not.

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And so to know that that that was sort of a journey that you were on.

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It's just fascinating to me because you were just like, you know, just a guy walking his dog.

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You would never know that, you know, people and this is why we always say and Ryan and I, we talk about this too.

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I mean, the part of what we talk about, you know, similar, same thing with your podcast, John, you know, mental health is a big pillar of what you talk about.

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And we try and talk about it here on the sunlight, moonlight podcast as it relates to, you know, balancing work and creativity and things like that.

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I think it's very important for people, anybody who considers themselves an empathetic person to really admit and to remind themselves often that you really, really never know what someone's going through.

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When you're when you're hanging out when you encounter them.

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And everybody's got their bag, right and everybody's.

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You know, on feists last record.

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She has aligned everybody's got their shit, but who's got the guts to deal with it or to sit with it right.

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And I think, you know, your story is is is very, very inspiring to see that, you know, you had basically hit rock bottom.

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Would you call it that?

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Yeah, I was.

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I sold my car to pay for the summer's rent.

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I was unemployed.

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I was racking up legal bills and it's funny because if suicides not what people think people, you know, the stigma around suicide is.

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It's a selfish act.

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And it's not.

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I legitimately thought that the world, my daughter's world, my wife's world, the world would be better without me in it.

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And and and, you know, and if my daughter hadn't walked me around for a summer when there were no adults to do the job, and I didn't have to show her that that wasn't useless.

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I would have gone.

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You know, I don't I don't talk about this in detail much, but I went through a similar thing about a year ago.

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Not not different, but I mean different, but but similar.

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And and I was on some medication that did not agree with me.

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I was very stressed at work.

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I felt I had I had lost myself and I was I was getting a lot of intrusive suicidal thoughts and I and I thought that same thing.

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I thought I can't keep up with work or family or anything.

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And you do think that your your family would be better off.

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How are you doing now?

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I'm doing great.

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I'm doing great.

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I got my my medication was adjusted and yeah, I had I had I was diagnosed with the anodonia and I just I had I could not experience joy or pleasure.

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And and it was like I I'm a guitarist and even since I was 14 so for about, you know, for over 30 years and like, yeah, thank you.

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And you're welcome.

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I there was no emotional feedback even playing the instrument.

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I was just like, I don't feel anything.

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And it was it was bizarre, but I'm I'm so grateful I'm not in that place.

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I had a I had a guitar player on the show who had that.

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And he said he's it medication finally hit the right medication.

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And he said, you start to see color again.

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That's the way he described it.

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You start to see color again.

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And and and and numb.

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It was it was terrible.

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Well, it was it was horrifying.

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I'm really glad to see the turnaround too, because, you know, John, Ryan and I have known each other.

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Um, geez, almost 20 years.

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And we used to work together and we played shows together and, you know, been watched each other get married and have kids and stuff.

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And to see to know, you know, Ryan's creative capacity and his sense of humor and to see those things sort of like fizzle out, you know, in front of your eyes.

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And there's nothing.

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I mean, we talked a lot.

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You know, but there's nothing I can't fix, you know, what was broken in there and like that was very it was just rough to see.

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And it's so fantastic to see and be able to do the show with you now, Ryan.

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Like it's a really good.

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It's kind of a feel good story.

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Yeah.

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And you you were there.

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You checked in with me a lot and I just, you know, I love you for that.

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I really appreciate it.

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Oh, we're all full of love here.

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So we should call it the puppy dogs and ice cream.

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Yeah.

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But John.

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Yeah.

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Oh, go ahead, Dom.

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Well, no, I think that that, you know, that is a jumping off point.

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And I think John, talk to us a little bit about sort of like how you're you sort of you pulled yourself out of that hole.

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You have a very successful, you know, sort of day job.

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Maybe talk about that a little bit and how that's evolving for you.

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And then maybe a little bit about the impetus and the and the birth of home from here, which was also sort of serendipitous.

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Sure.

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So I run a website called Ivy style.com.

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I just always dressed more formally than except for today because I'm going to teach it to promote.

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But normally I've always dressed more formally and I followed the site for a long time and the site and it's got a Facebook group and it's about Ivy style, which is essentially classed out preppy.

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And I but the site and the site and the Facebook group at the time were getting they weren't as inclusive as they thought they should be.

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And they were in fact getting, you know, there was some racism in there.

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There was some bigotry in there.

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There was definitely classism in there.

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And when I, you know, my approach was look, you know, the classics are for I, I view it as classic clothing.

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I'm like the classics, classic anything is for everybody.

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And so I approached the owner of the site and I said, Hey, I think you're doing this.

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I think you're going in the wrong direction.

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As a business model, it's stupid as a way to live.

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It's stupid.

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And as a source of energy, it's stupid.

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So, you know, let me write a few guest posts and see, see if we get a reaction.

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And the guest, the guest posts that I wrote were, you know, they were inclusive in nature.

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The first person I featured was a woman who dresses Ivy, who does it better than all of us.

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And the response was great.

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So I wanted to take it over the site.

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It's not a subscription site.

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It's an advertising.

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We advertise so it generates revenue that way.

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I've been at it three and a half years.

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There are plans to license it to license now.

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And at some point I will hand it off, but and sell it.

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So I just have to figure out where in that trajectory I am.

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But yeah, that's Ivy style.

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Did you start the because there's a podcast also.

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I did, I did start the podcast.

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And then I started the podcast after I started this one.

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And there's a few episodes up.

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And it really kind of, I'm debating whether to continue it or hand that part of it off right now.

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And I'm thinking about handing that part of it off right now.

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But a handsome guy.

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Look at this.

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Look at this guy.

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See what AI can do.

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No, it's great.

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What a cool.

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And so now, now bring us to sort of like where I know other things started to happen.

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For you, right?

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So you were, you were playing and you were writing and you were planning a tour, right?

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Right.

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So I'm, I had, I wrote a one man show called home from here.

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And the, the idea of the show was it's two hours of me.

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I wrote a bunch of songs about my, my experience in the legal system and with mental health.

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And it was to tell that story.

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It think it's like spring scene on Broadway, but just no spring scene.

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And so, sorry.

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And so the plan was to tour that and the tour had, the tour had been arranged, but tour

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and the tour was break even, which, you know, for a tour is, is for tours is a big deal.

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And so I was excited to do it.

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I went on, I was a guest on another podcast and talk about it.

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And I got in the car and I'm driving away and the station manager wrote me and said,

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Hey, would you want to do your own show?

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And it dawned on me that if I sang on a podcast, I can get, I'm probably singing to more people

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and I'm home every night.

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And instead of, instead of breaking even, I can actually make money at it.

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So I, so I, I scrapped the tour and started working, started working on the show.

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And, and here we are.

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And I still, I do, I've done, and by the way, the reason for the show, I did the home from here one man show.

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And the first time I played it, it's about 150 people and I play it.

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And there's this one part, there's this one song where I have decided to take my own life.

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And it's about sort of the way into the show.

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So everybody seated and I play it and I got a cry right now.

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And this guy, I finished the song and this guy stands up.

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He's 250 pounds, he's six foot five, he's bald, he's got a biker vest on, chains on his jeans, and he charges the stage.

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And I'm like, what the fuck?

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I'm like, did I, did I date your wife?

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What's happened here?

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He gets to the stage and he goes like this to me, I come down and he hugs me and he says, I was going to kill myself last week, but I didn't for my daughter.

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Oh my God.

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And, and that's the first time I played the show.

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So I thought, okay, you know, this message, I mean, look, there's, there's three of us in a room and two of us have a story.

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The message is so much more, so much more relevant to people than we think it is.

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And it's, it's just, you know, you're in a corporate world, you can't talk about it.

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There are, there are, you know, social circles, you can't talk about it.

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There's still some stigma surrounding it, which is fucking ridiculous.

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But, but out of that one incident, I, you know, that planted the seed for me to say, I'm just, I'm just going to be public facing about everything.

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And, and just stigma in general is just stupid.

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And so, yes, so I started the show in a little tiny, it wasn't always here.

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It was in a room about the size of a card table in the back of a market in a little town in, in upstate New York.

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And then, and then, you know, we, like I said, the message of, hey, I'm sick.

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This is what's wrong with me.

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All you got to do is say that.

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And, and it starts its own me too movement.

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Because everybody else is me too.

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And so, yeah, there.

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It's the evolution of it is so crazy.

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And I remember you, you know, we would see each other and passing while this was going on.

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And I remember asking, like, you know, hey, how's the podcast going?

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This and that.

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And each time we connected, you had, you know, this, there had been growth in some way, whether it was you feeling more comfortable doing it.

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Or you, you know, sort of honing the purpose and the, and the, and the sort of aim of the show.

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And I remember you saying like, now I have, like, I have to figure out how to monetize this.

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And so, you know, going on, excuse the construction noises with the whole house is under construction right now.

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But we, and seeing that evolution was also inspiring to me to say, I mean, look, I read Ryan and I.

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I worked in radio and broadcast our entire careers.

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I've worked in radio and television my entire career.

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And, but always on the technical side.

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And so I've never really been behind the mic like this.

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I've never hosted a show or anything like that.

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And there was something about, well, thanks man.

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Thank you.

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And as you are, how's are you and, and I think that, but you, you doing it first being a guy who plays guitar, who writes songs and plays covers and knows other people and plays gigs and stuff.

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I saw myself in you and you were doing this podcast about this thing that you knew about.

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And I was saying to myself, like, well, I have ideas and I have things to say.

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And, you know, if there's a guy like John who is very similar to me, like, and he's doing it, like, why couldn't I be doing that?

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Now it helped for me to get laid off, you know, and basically have nothing else to do.

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Except, you know, look for jobs that aren't there.

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But, you know, and this was sort of the time where Ryan was, was sort of coming out of his haze and the low points.

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And I was saying to Ryan, you know, hey, we're, we're kind of doing, we're, we've always been very similar.

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And Ryan just left corporate life too.

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And we were kind of like, let's put our heads together on this.

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And we had this idea talking to working people about being creative and what creative people do for work.

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And we find that, I mean, there's everybody we talk to gives us like three more people to talk to, which I'm sure is the case for home from here too.

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Because this network of musicians that you've not only sort of connected with but helped cultivate, you know, the introductions that you make and all the folks getting together for the lifted project and won't be broken.

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That's probably a good segue, right? So you've got, you've got this podcast. It's doing well. You're talking to all these musicians.

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And I remember you having like a public social media epiphany because it was like the documentary for We Are The World came out.

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And you were, and you had gone to Paul's Runaway Cafe in Wappenshaw Falls.

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And I think it was like an open mic or something, right?

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Or there was a show.

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I've got a show there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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And so talk us through that, right? You're meeting these musicians and you have this moment.

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So, right. So I'm, it's inspired by my wife. So my wife, my wife had her own journey. She had a head and neck cancer.

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And she had an inch long tumor in her cheek. She went through a, she went through 10 months of just horrific, horrible treatment.

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I mean, it, it, it, it's barbaric what happens to individuals who have this kind of cancer.

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So she gets surgery and they graft, they graft a post it note size piece of her thigh into the inside of her cheek.

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They cut her from the back of her ear all the way across to center her over throat and they remove 10 lymph nodes.

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And that was, that was the easy part.

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That's insane. Isn't it rare for women, is it rare for women to get some foam?

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It's very rare for women and it's ridiculously rare for women to have age.

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Gosh.

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Nope. Yeah. Nobody could believe it.

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So then she gets chemo and radiation. And for the radi, the chemo, it was once a week, it was, it was six treatments.

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It's hard, but the radiation was really hard because it was every day.

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So what they did is they made a handle, elect her mask for her custom to her phase.

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And for a half hour every day, she lay it on a table strapped down with this mask overhead and her body strapped and a late analyzer would burn the side of her face.

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And by week three, when she would sleep on the pillow, when she would get up, there was ash on the pillow.

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Her face was just ash. It was, it was crazy.

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So they, the end treatment ended December 30th.

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And when treatment ends, they say, you know, look, you should come back for physical therapy because she had, she was emaciated.

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She couldn't stand. She had no muscle tone. She couldn't stand. She couldn't do anything.

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So, and they just, they just kind of give you this person and say, okay, now it's on you.

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And I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

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So I, so she heals for like another four months.

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And there's little landmarks like she can put on her own coat. That was a big one.

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But it gets to, we're about four months in and she's still not moving.

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Like we, we walk, you know, halfway from my house to your house down and or your old house and she had to turn around.

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And, and, you know, and that was like a big workout for her.

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So I take her, I go to lifetime in chat box.

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And so I friends with the teacher there. So I went to the teacher this time, definitely going to cry.

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So I go to the teacher and I say, look, and she doesn't want to be seen because she's got giant scar and this part of her face is puffy.

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And she, she goes, she thinks everybody's staring at her neck.

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So I said, can we stand in the back of one of your classes and I'll just shuffle my feet with her.

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And, you know, just to get her out of the house and get her something to do.

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So she gets so we go to the class and she's got giant sunglasses on a baseball cap and a giant scar.

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It looked like she was going to rob the place except she couldn't walk.

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So she wasn't getting away very bad.

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And we stand in the back of the class and, you know, it's, it were about five minutes in and this teacher, she's an angel.

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She walks back grabs to her, she's by the hand, it's as fuck this brings her up to the front of class, turns around and there's a whole class shuffling with Trish.

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Well, everybody else is doing these, you know, crazy, clear class.

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So we get in the car and she calls me and says, how's Trish?

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And I said, great.

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And she said, bring her back tomorrow.

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Every day she would write a special class for Trish and she would do it with Trish while the rest of us were doing, you know, the regular class.

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And the journey was amazing.

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She got to the point where she could walk and then she got to the point where she could, she could walk faster.

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And every day, one day, this trainer brings out a three inch step and says, hey, I want you to jump on it.

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Trish has neuropathy.

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Her head, her head isn't talking to her feet.

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She tries to jump on this little three inch thing and she can't and she just starts crying and she falls on her hands and knees.

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It's a crowded force. She falls on her hands and knees.

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This trainer falls down over her to protect her body so that people didn't see.

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They go forehead to forehead and three minutes, I don't know what happened.

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It was better than any church service I ever saw.

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Trish wipes her nose, stands up and starts looking way into the game.

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At the end of that class, this trainer brings Trish over to a two foot block.

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Now Trish can't stand step three inches and she says, we don't quit till you can get this.

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Every day they do a little bit of work.

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One day Trish is standing in front of a block and she can put her foot on.

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That's all.

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Put her foot on it, bring it back down, put her other foot on it, bring it back down.

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And this trainer walks over and by now they have love, they have trust.

440
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:14,800
Trish kind of believes in life again a little bit and they go forehead to forehead again.

441
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,800
But this time I got to hear it and this trainer says, you can do this today.

442
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,800
You are a feather, you can fly, you can do this today.

443
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,800
The trainer stands back, hold Jim goes quiet, everybody faces Trish.

444
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,800
And I see Trish looking at the trainer and I see the trainer just staring back at her.

445
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:42,800
And because she believed so much in what that trainer said, she flew up on a two foot block after not being able to jump up on a three inch one.

446
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:58,800
That one moment of somebody believing in you, of you believing in somebody, no money changed hands, no, of somebody, what happens if you just, if somebody just lifts you for the pure joy of lifting people.

447
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:05,800
No money, no recognition, no, it's not a TV show, just did it out of the goodness of her heart.

448
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,800
I was so, it's one of the most powerful things I ever saw.

449
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:21,800
So now the We Are The World documentary comes on and I'm sitting there and the big deal about the We Are The World is, oh, it's a room full of ridiculously talented musicians.

450
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,800
But you guys are testament to this.

451
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,800
The Hudson Valley is a geographic anomaly of ridiculously talented musicians.

452
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,800
They're everywhere here.

453
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,800
It's not like other places.

454
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,800
And so by virtue of the show, I'm like, hey, I can make that room.

455
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,800
So then I thought, what if we all just get together?

456
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:47,800
I'm going to write a song and we will, you know, and I didn't want any money to change hands.

457
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,800
It's not about money.

458
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:49,800
It's not about fundraising.

459
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,800
Everybody raises money.

460
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:57,800
I wanted to raise energy for these nonprofit partners that we had.

461
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,800
And it was an incredible, so I sent out the invitation.

462
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,800
And the most amazing thing is everybody said yes without a song written.

463
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,800
And there's two ways to take that.

464
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,800
One way is they believed in me.

465
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,800
The other is they didn't think it was going to happen.

466
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,800
So they just said yes to get back on the show.

467
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,800
I'm choosing the format.

468
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:29,800
And so, you know, long story short, we posted at Paula's, which happens to be in an airport.

469
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,800
We sell out the airport.

470
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,800
And I write the song.

471
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,800
That was really hard because I didn't want to rehearse.

472
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,800
I wanted the rehearsal to be part of the show.

473
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,800
So in order to teach people the song, I had to do a demo.

474
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,800
So Eric Dalton is my producer.

475
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,800
He said, come to the studio and I'll produce for you.

476
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:58,800
Well, his idea was instead of to duplicate the choir effect, I'm just going to use, have you sing at 38 different times?

477
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,800
And we'll just layer that on top of each other.

478
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,800
I don't like the sound of my voice one pack.

479
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,800
38 times.

480
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:06,800
I'm with you.

481
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,800
38 times with a whole lot of Johns.

482
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,800
Oh, it was choir of its choir of voice.

483
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,800
I don't like it.

484
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,800
Now I got to put it out there.

485
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,800
So I put it out.

486
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,800
There was there was no rehearsal.

487
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,800
We get there that day and it's still that room.

488
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,800
There's an amazing band and there's this big choir.

489
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,800
Everybody in the choir, except my daughter is a headliner in and of themselves.

490
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:37,800
And we do the first, we do the first rehearsal and it sucks.

491
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,800
And Trisha's in the front row.

492
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,800
And I turn around and she looks at me like, we're going to have to move.

493
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:47,800
Motherfuckers.

494
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,800
We are about to be so publicly embarrassed.

495
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,800
We're going to have to move.

496
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,800
And I'm like, maybe that guy can see that going that way.

497
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,800
We did another take and it got a little better to the point where I could almost hear a song coming out.

498
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,800
So it takes something happened and it went off.

499
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,800
And they're like, okay, we got it.

500
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,800
And I'm like, no, fourth take and I had a reason.

501
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:15,800
So we did a fourth day and then we took like a 45 minute break and the nonprofits, the audience got to me go with the nonprofits and learn what they do.

502
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,800
We get back together.

503
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,800
And the recording that you listen to, that's a live recording.

504
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,800
There's it's all one shot.

505
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,800
There's no, there's no take.

506
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,800
You know, I was going to, I was going to ask.

507
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:38,800
So just the recording itself because I saw there's a video, I saw some video footage of it, but the recording itself is what was recorded real time live at Paula's, correct?

508
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,800
Yep.

509
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,800
Yep.

510
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,800
Oh, wow.

511
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,800
The performance is crazy.

512
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,800
Yeah, it's amazing.

513
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:45,800
I got lucky.

514
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,800
Eric's a great producer and the choir was amazing.

515
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:56,800
And so we got, we got it on the first take, but my problem was I wanted to do one take with the audience because it's a call answer song.

516
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,800
So I wanted to do one take where the choir and the audience got to sing together.

517
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,800
So we did this.

518
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,800
So I did it three more times because I needed the choir to be bored with it.

519
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,800
Now you sing the same song eight times.

520
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,800
You're starting to get bored, which is what I wanted.

521
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,800
And they were, they were restless and I could see something like, okay, now it's time.

522
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,800
So I tell the audience what they're going to do.

523
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,800
I tell the choir what they're going to do.

524
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,800
And then at the end I say, you know, by the way, when we're done, bands just going to keep going.

525
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,800
If you want to sing a solo riff, do whatever you want.

526
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:29,800
Just like, wound up with a 10 minute extended version of just people going nuts.

527
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,800
And it was, yeah, it was beautiful.

528
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,800
So it was a good day.

529
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,800
And that, and that all stems from this moment, right?

530
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,800
This moment that one moment of just witnessed.

531
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,800
Yeah.

532
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,800
Just seeing two people that believed in each other and somebody, you know, just based on the fact that

533
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:51,800
two people believe in each other, one person did something that nobody thought they were ever going to be able to do again.

534
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,800
That's beautiful, man.

535
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,800
Wow.

536
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,800
Like, I mean, your, your wife literally like the foundation's gone.

537
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:08,800
You have to build the foundation again to even have some sort of be a living person, you know?

538
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:09,800
Yeah.

539
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:10,800
Yeah.

540
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,800
No, you're 100% right.

541
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:12,800
She, she couldn't talk.

542
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:13,800
She couldn't eat.

543
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:14,800
She couldn't move her head.

544
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,800
She, it was empty.

545
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,800
Yeah.

546
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:24,800
I'm, and I'm so glad that she's, and she's doing, she's doing much better now.

547
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:25,800
Oh, she's ridiculous now.

548
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:32,800
She went from like, not being able to walk to being like one of the most fit people at the gym.

549
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:33,800
Yeah.

550
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,800
And it's also good because she got her belt, like you get neuropathy and you get chemo brain.

551
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,800
You come out like a little bit of a different person.

552
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,800
And I actually like her better now.

553
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,800
She's out of, she's out of fucks to give, which makes her really interesting.

554
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,800
Yeah.

555
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,800
She's, she's hilarious because she just doesn't act, doesn't care anymore.

556
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,800
And she also has this great perspective.

557
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,800
You know, when you come out of tragedy, Brian, you probably know this too.

558
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,800
When you come out of, when you come out of tragedy, every moment has a different flavor

559
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:05,800
and she's got that.

560
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,800
She's, you know, she's got that dude, we have three hours.

561
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,800
We're doing something crazy with it.

562
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:12,800
Yeah.

563
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,800
A lot you're going to be with him.

564
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,800
Yeah.

565
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:16,800
Yeah.

566
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:23,800
You definitely, it, it, it changes you to where you're like, you know, I was at the bottom.

567
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:29,800
I bottomed out and, and I'm, I'm back and I'm not going to take it for granted.

568
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,800
I can't wait to get you on the show.

569
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,800
I want to hear all about that.

570
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,800
We're here with John Burton on the sunlight, moonlight podcast.

571
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:43,800
We're talking about John's project, the lifted project that's liftedproject.org, born out

572
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:49,800
of some of the things he's witnessed with his wife struggles, his own struggles.

573
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:56,800
His podcast is the home from here show available on all major podcast platforms, including

574
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:57,800
MixCloud.

575
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,800
I know John, you're a big fan of that platform, MixCloud.

576
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,800
John's format is great.

577
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:11,800
Local musicians coming up and telling their stories, talking about mental health, talking

578
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,800
about creativity and songwriting.

579
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:20,800
John, I have to ask you, I mean, you put all these pieces together over the last, say,

580
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:29,800
10 years of all of these trials that you've, you've taken on head on, pulled yourself sort

581
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:36,800
of out of the emotional and mental gutter as it were, and have touched the lives of so

582
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,800
many people in the, in the process.

583
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,800
I, I have to ask you a very honest question.

584
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,800
I mean, aren't you fucking exhausted?

585
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:45,800
No.

586
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,800
Does this like you just can't stop?

587
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:55,800
You guys will find this out back when you, because I, I, I did corporate for, for fucking

588
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:56,800
ever.

589
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,800
And I think it's what drove me crazy.

590
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,800
Right, Ryan, we can testify.

591
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,800
Oh yeah.

592
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:08,800
When you, when you hit flow, when you finally are doing what you're supposed to be doing,

593
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,800
your head blows off.

594
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,800
I can do 24 hours of podcasts and your head blows off.

595
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,800
It's just a completely different, different energy.

596
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,800
And it's really hard for creative people not to be creative.

597
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,800
And when, when you have a, when you have a, when you have a corporate job, like, like

598
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:36,800
we all, and you can't exercise your, you can't exercise your true self.

599
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,800
In fact, you have to dampen your true self every day.

600
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,800
Nobody gets out of there better.

601
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,800
Nobody.

602
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,800
There's a type of person that can succeed in that environment.

603
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,800
Creative people are not it.

604
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,800
Yeah.

605
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,800
I had, you know, one of the reasons why I'm okay with getting laid off last year was because

606
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,800
Mike, I had been with the same company for a long time.

607
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,800
It was a very familial atmosphere and it had become through mergers and acquisitions,

608
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,800
it had become a lot more sort of corporate and cold.

609
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:11,800
And basically my position was that first of all, I'm a fatalist in the sense that

610
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,800
everything kind of happens for a reason.

611
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,800
I don't think everything's predetermined, but I do think there's sort of like, there's a,

612
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,800
there's a, not a plan, but there's a, there's a path here, you know, no matter what happens.

613
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:30,800
But the other thing was, is that, you know, I don't want to be some place where they don't

614
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:38,800
want me and I don't want to be someplace that doesn't bring me joy or that I'm not proud

615
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:39,800
of.

616
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:40,800
Yeah.

617
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,800
And so, you know, going through that experience, after working steadily for over 23 years in

618
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,800
the work media, which, you know, takes a toll on you, but it was sort of liberating for

619
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,800
me just being jettisoned from that experience.

620
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:56,800
I have yet to land.

621
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,800
I don't really know what my next move is.

622
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:00,800
I really enjoy doing.

623
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:01,800
Maybe it is.

624
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:02,800
Yeah.

625
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,800
Well, look, I think that I really enjoy doing this show with Ryan.

626
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,800
Ryan and I have a great time.

627
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,800
We were just talking about it last night, like how much fun we're having and how cool it is

628
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,800
to be able to talk to, you know, so many interesting people in our orbit and to learn so much through

629
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,800
each of these sessions.

630
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,800
It's been really gratifying.

631
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,800
And, you know, Ryan and I said, I mean, we sort of throw numbers out there like, hey, if we could

632
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,800
make, you know, X amount of money doing this, we wouldn't ever do anything else.

633
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:38,800
But I think it's, it's really cool to see also the, I was asking about, you know, levels

634
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:45,800
of exhaustion because what I'm noticing from afar or via social media is that it's not like

635
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:51,800
you're sort of like glomming on to something new and then abandoning what you've already

636
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:52,800
accomplished.

637
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,800
You just keep kind of adding.

638
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:00,800
And so because you're still playing shows, you play private shows, you play public shows,

639
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,800
you play originals, you play covers, you play, you know, venues that you wouldn't normally

640
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,800
think, I mean, you play your gym.

641
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,800
You know, like you wouldn't normally think that these are opportunities for entertainment,

642
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:19,800
but you go after that stuff and you accomplish it while you're adding on these additional

643
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,800
things like a podcast and this, these efforts to help out these charities.

644
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,800
And I think that that's, it's really commendable because I think it could be very easy for

645
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,800
someone like you to sort of chase the shiny object and then move on from what you've already

646
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,800
accomplished.

647
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,800
But it seems like you're just sort of like, you know, adding to the resume at this point.

648
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:46,800
What I, what I learned from kind of leaving corporate to working for myself to doing this

649
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,800
is like, I, I, and I was never laid off.

650
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:58,800
I can't imagine that, but I imagine it makes you not trust the universe.

651
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:05,800
And I, for me, the biggest lesson is just to, to trust, trust, trust the, it sounds so

652
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,800
stupidly hallmark, but trust the path.

653
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:14,800
If, if, you know, unless I, unless I morally object to something like being asked to play

654
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,800
in the gym, unless I morally object to it, it's music, it's fun.

655
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,800
It's a chance to give back to, you know, to people like that to me.

656
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,800
I'll just, I'll just do it.

657
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,800
And when you're in flow, which is not, it's not an elevated state.

658
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:29,800
I fucking tripped over it.

659
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:37,800
But when you're in flow, um, you don't really worry about energy level so much anymore.

660
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,800
You're just doing what you're supposed to be doing.

661
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,800
And then you then, and then things come to you.

662
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:44,800
It's weird.

663
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:45,800
I, I, I read the secret.

664
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,800
I think the secret is bullshit, but I will say you do what you're supposed to be doing

665
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,800
and you attract.

666
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,800
I think the secret is because people think that's all you have to do is just wish it

667
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:56,800
and it happens.

668
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,800
It's not, but do what you're supposed to be doing and you attract, you attract things.

669
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,800
Well, I think, I think, yeah, I think, I believe in manifestation.

670
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,800
I believe there's, there's, you have to do the work.

671
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,800
You know, you have to go on, right?

672
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:10,800
Right.

673
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,800
Like it doesn't just make it and it happens.

674
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,800
Like it's your prime, you're priming the pump for success by thinking about it and

675
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:24,800
you're, and you're, you're sort of setting yourself up chemically and emotionally to

676
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,800
do it.

677
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:26,800
Right.

678
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,800
It can't, it can't happen if you didn't think of it, but thinking of it is just the first

679
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:31,800
time you know baby steps.

680
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:32,800
Right.

681
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:33,800
Yeah.

682
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:34,800
It certainly helps things.

683
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:35,800
It's like Tinder, right?

684
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:36,800
Yeah.

685
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,800
I think, I want to talk about your page.

686
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,800
The website Tinder.

687
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,800
No.

688
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,800
Which is married.

689
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,800
Did I share a screen?

690
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:47,800
I'm sorry.

691
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,800
John, you're sharing a screen.

692
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,800
No good at this.

693
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:53,800
Yeah.

694
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,800
So let's talk about your pages for a second though, because I know that you write three

695
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:03,800
pages every morning, no matter what is that, is that born out of the artist's way?

696
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,800
Or is that something you picked up?

697
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,800
Okay.

698
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,800
No, no.

699
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:08,800
Because I went for that.

700
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:09,800
Yeah.

701
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:15,800
So when I, when I, I, when I got better, I think, okay, part of what got me sick was the

702
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,800
throttling of creativity.

703
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,800
So, but corporate guy, you know, first off corporate guy with a mortgage, that's hard

704
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,800
to be creative.

705
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:31,800
It's, you know, there are some circles where it's considered very frivolous to be creative.

706
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,800
You know, you're not supposed to be a creative husband and father.

707
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,800
You're supposed to provide and then, and then if your wife lets you, you can play guitar

708
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,800
in the garage, but that's, that's it.

709
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,800
And so I, I've heard about this book, The Artist's Way, and it's all about allowing,

710
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,800
giving yourself permission to, to be creative.

711
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:57,800
And one of the things that, that she says to do, and it's, it's magic producing.

712
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,800
One of the things she says to do is you get up every morning, first thing you do, you

713
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,800
can make your coffee, but you can't drink it until you start writing, and you do three

714
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:05,800
handwritten pages.

715
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,800
It can be anything.

716
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:12,800
You can write the word bullshit or watermelon or doorknob, whatever you want, but it's got

717
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,800
to be three pages.

718
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,800
It's got to be handwritten.

719
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,800
And it sounds like, okay, that's a stupid idea, but here's what it does.

720
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,800
It moves, normally when you get up, you get your coffee, you watch the news, you get depressed,

721
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,800
you receive bad information, you got to do lists of things you got to check off.

722
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,800
It's obligation, obligation, obligation, and all you're doing is receiving information

723
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,800
and you don't start putting anything out for a while.

724
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,800
And certainly not anything creative.

725
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,200
What this, what the pages do is it teaches you the orientation where the first thing you

726
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,800
do every morning is you do output.

727
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,800
Don't take in output.

728
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:54,800
And, and that puts your, that puts your brain in an output gear for the rest of the day.

729
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,800
So, so, you know,

730
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,800
So a couple of comments on it.

731
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,800
So first of all, I, I didn't, the artist way is a six week program.

732
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:03,800
I never finished it.

733
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,800
I think I did probably three and a half weeks and then I kind of fell off it.

734
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,800
So I will admit that, but I did, I did pages for a couple of weeks.

735
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:17,800
And it really solved one of my gripes of sort of like the idea of sunlight, moonlight, right?

736
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,800
Like what working people are doing to be creative, what creative people do for work.

737
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:30,800
I think that one of the things that doing morning pages, writing like that in a discipline, provided

738
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,800
for me was that, you know, Ryan's heard me talk about this previously is that, you know, when you're working a job

739
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,800
and you have a family and you want to be creative, what winds up happening is that

740
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,800
everything except creativity gets done first.

741
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,800
And you wind up with the shittiest 40 minutes of the day.

742
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:50,800
Yeah.

743
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:58,800
At like 950pm when you're bleary eyed, you might be a little sore, you're kind of, maybe you're pissed at your kids.

744
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,800
You know, maybe you've had, you didn't like your dinner and the house isn't clean.

745
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,800
And all of these things and that's the time you get to create, which is a fucking sham.

746
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:09,800
Yeah.

747
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:16,800
And what's cool about morning pages is that chemically speaking and scientifically speaking, you are at your most creative

748
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,800
when you wake up in the morning.

749
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,800
And it allows you a creative output.

750
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:31,800
When you are the freshest, the newest, the most well rested, you will be all day.

751
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:32,800
Yep.

752
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:33,800
And that's the moment.

753
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:50,800
And that's what I really loved about it was because it was the gift to yourself to say these first few moments and 10, 20 minute blocks in the morning are the most precious time based commodity I'm going to experience all day.

754
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,800
How am I going to treat them?

755
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,800
You know, am I going to turn on the news and get depressed?

756
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,800
Am I going to start checking email for work?

757
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,800
Am I going to start to say, oh, I feel like I'm behind so I need to catch up.

758
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,800
And all of that is robbing yourself.

759
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,800
You're giving all of that precious time away to everybody else except yourself.

760
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:11,800
Yeah.

761
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:12,800
And that's what I really liked about it.

762
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,800
And I found extremely helpful.

763
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,800
No, you're 100% right.

764
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,800
And the other, I can so relate to your 950.

765
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,800
Now I got 40 minutes to be creative.

766
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,800
And the other thing that happens in that scenario is you produce crap because you're exhausted.

767
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:25,800
It's an inch.

768
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:26,800
And then you start.

769
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,800
But then you then your confidence starts to wane.

770
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,800
And you're like, well, wait, why bother being creative when all I'm doing is making this garbage anyway.

771
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,800
And it feeds on itself.

772
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:35,800
So yeah, you're right.

773
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,800
Now, to do it, I have to get up really early to do it.

774
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,800
That's part of the dispute for me.

775
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,800
But you don't have to get up early to do it.

776
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,800
You can just, I mean, you get up like insanely early.

777
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,800
You get up like between three and four.

778
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:51,800
Yeah.

779
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,800
Yeah.

780
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,800
Can I ask what time you go to bed?

781
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:55,800
Yeah.

782
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:56,800
730.

783
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:57,800
You don't post that.

784
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:58,800
730?

785
00:51:58,800 --> 00:51:59,800
730, yeah.

786
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:00,800
Yeah.

787
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,800
I'm not usually in bed by 730, which is why playing out is a nightmare.

788
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,800
Because like, yeah.

789
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,800
So I never, I, oh, go ahead.

790
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:11,800
I'm down.

791
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,800
I'm way down more for lunches than I am for playing bars at night.

792
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,800
I still do it, but it's tough.

793
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:19,800
Yeah.

794
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,800
Even if I, you know, somebody says, hey, I got a late dinner reservation at like nine o'clock.

795
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,800
I'm like, oh, no, that's really late.

796
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,800
Right.

797
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:35,800
You just get, you just get to a point where, you know, when you're out that late, where

798
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,800
you're not interested, interesting, you're, you're tired.

799
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,800
And the only interesting thing that's going to happen is you're going to make a bad decision

800
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,800
and we're trying not to do that.

801
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,800
So, you know, it's funny.

802
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,800
I get a lot of my ideas.

803
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,800
Like, as I'm falling asleep.

804
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,800
Do you, do you go by the bed?

805
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:57,800
Sometimes.

806
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:58,800
Okay.

807
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,800
I don't, I, yeah, like I should just leave it there.

808
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:09,800
But, um, so I came from like, when I first started working, I was working nights, seven,

809
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,800
or 11pm to 7am.

810
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:18,800
And I was in bands and I was rehearsing three to five times a week and playing shows.

811
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:24,800
And then so I would be getting up, eating, rehearsing, going to work.

812
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,800
And then because I was in my twenties, usually drinking during the day, because when, when

813
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,800
else am I going to drink?

814
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:31,800
Right.

815
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:37,800
And, and, um, but I think somehow because of that, and I did that for about four years,

816
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:44,800
I like somehow trained myself where the creativity starts happening at night and not necessarily,

817
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,800
I'm not much of a morning person.

818
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,800
I'm more of a night person.

819
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,800
But, you know, in the corporate world, you have to be a morning person.

820
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:55,800
Right.

821
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,800
So I think kind of getting you mentioned something which was like, you know, you start throttling

822
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,800
your creativity.

823
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,800
And you know, Dom and I worked in a 24 seven environment.

824
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,800
So it was like, I was on calls in the middle of the night.

825
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,800
I was on calls all day long.

826
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,800
Like I had to find, you know, plus I have kids.

827
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:19,800
I, my peak there, man, I did the averaging and I, my phone rang every six hours basically,

828
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,800
whether I was at work or not.

829
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:23,800
Yeah.

830
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,800
That was insane.

831
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,800
Oh, I'd get calls during rehearsals, during shows.

832
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:29,800
That's crazy.

833
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:36,800
And, uh, like, I wouldn't answer them usually because I'd be like, well, you know, I got

834
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,800
to live, you know, I'll call, I'll call when it's over.

835
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:40,800
That's a thing too though, right?

836
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,800
When you don't take the call.

837
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,800
Yeah.

838
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,800
Well, it's like, what, what nightmare am I going to walk into?

839
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,800
Because I didn't take the call.

840
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,800
Well, it's delaying it too, because you know, you're going to have to deal with it.

841
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,800
Like there's nobody else to step in.

842
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:03,800
And so you just know, so you, you give yourself some grace and space by not taking the call,

843
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,800
but you know it's there.

844
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:06,800
Right.

845
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:07,800
Yeah.

846
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:08,800
Yeah.

847
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:09,800
Yeah.

848
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:10,800
But you know, I mean, that's life.

849
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,800
It's full of problems.

850
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:20,800
I want to make sure, John, we do a segment here with our guests before we leave and we part,

851
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:21,800
we've covered so much today.

852
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:27,800
And I'm so incredibly grateful and thankful and happy that you agreed to come on here,

853
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:28,800
John, and talk with us.

854
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:29,800
No, thank you.

855
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:30,800
Thank you very much.

856
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:31,800
We've got some really good.

857
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,800
Please do, please do this three times a week.

858
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:35,800
Okay.

859
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,800
That's a lot of homework for Ryan.

860
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:45,800
No, Ryan does Yeoman's work and making sure the show is presentable and packaged up very

861
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,800
nicely and our promos and such.

862
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:54,800
This, the segment we do before we go here on the sunlight, moonlight podcast is called

863
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,800
easy uneasy.

864
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:05,800
And this is the part of the show where Ryan, who's a very nice young man, will ask you

865
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,800
a question that should be easy to answer.

866
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:08,800
Oh, crap.

867
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:14,800
And then after that, I, who is, I'm not such a nice person, Ryan's infinitely nicer than

868
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,800
me, then I will ask you a question that will probably make you uneasy.

869
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,800
Okay.

870
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,200
So you don't have to answer either of them.

871
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,800
But this is a fun segment that Ryan and I are great guests.

872
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,800
That's a great idea.

873
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,800
You know, it's not, not just a hat rack here, John.

874
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:37,800
Okay, Ryan, do you want to go first?

875
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,800
What is your bedtime routine?

876
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,800
Uh, so recently it started, it has changed.

877
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,800
Um, I say good night to my daughter at 715 every night.

878
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,800
Make sure she's got what she wants.

879
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,800
Go kiss Trish on the head.

880
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,800
She's watched a TV.

881
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:58,800
I go to bed.

882
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:04,800
And for the longest time, I tried to force myself to write again at night useless.

883
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:09,800
Uh, so now I just sit on my iPad and play back until I fall asleep.

884
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:10,800
Okay.

885
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,800
Oh man, I love backgammon.

886
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,800
Oh, it's such an underrated, it's an underrated leisure game.

887
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,800
It is the game that mirrors life the best because it's part lock part skill.

888
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,800
I love that.

889
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,800
That's great.

890
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:26,800
Okay.

891
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,800
Uh, now comes the part where I ask a question that might make you uneasy.

892
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:31,800
Oh man.

893
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,800
Did you meet a child of mine that I don't know I have?

894
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,800
Uh, not yet.

895
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,800
Okay.

896
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:39,800
That would be uneasy.

897
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:40,800
I would be uneasy.

898
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,800
Anything else I can take.

899
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:43,800
Okay.

900
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,800
Uh, have you ever stolen anything?

901
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,800
Well, have I ever stolen anything?

902
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,800
Yes, when I was crazy.

903
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:55,800
Okay.

904
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,800
I imagine that would be.

905
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:58,800
No.

906
00:57:58,800 --> 00:57:59,800
Well, two times.

907
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,800
One, I was like seven years old and I stole a rubber spider man.

908
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,800
Um, that's amazing.

909
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,800
Um, I've done that when I was young,

910
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,800
but think about how that's burned in your brain.

911
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:13,800
Yeah.

912
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:14,800
Oh yeah.

913
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,800
No, it still bothers me.

914
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:17,800
I took it back.

915
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:18,800
I stole a G.

916
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,800
I took it back.

917
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,800
I was like, see, that's why that's why you asked the easy question.

918
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,800
That's a good guy right there.

919
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,800
Um, have I ever stolen anything?

920
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,800
Uh, yes.

921
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:33,800
Yeah.

922
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:34,800
Okay.

923
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:35,800
I have to.

924
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,800
I just want the biggest thing I think I've ever stole is that I went to a golf course

925
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:47,800
once and I rented clubs and in the bag of rental clubs, there were two sand wedges.

926
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:48,800
That's nice.

927
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,800
I took, I took one of them.

928
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:51,800
I still love it.

929
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,800
Oh, it wasn't part of the, it wasn't part of the.

930
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,800
No, it was, it was part of the set, but there was two of them.

931
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:02,800
So I was like, Oh, well, you know, they have two sandwich like, um, so I took it and, uh,

932
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:08,800
it's a nice lu or tease 56 degree sandwich and I got it re-gripped and, uh, right now

933
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,800
I use it.

934
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,800
You avoided the pain in the ass of taking it back.

935
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:12,800
I did.

936
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,800
Well, the bag was definitely lighter when I took it back.

937
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:15,800
There you go.

938
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,800
That I'm not going to say, I still play at the course though.

939
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,800
So I'm not going to mention the course.

940
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,800
Thank you for being a good sport on that, John.

941
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,800
This is being recorded.

942
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,800
What a, what a cool, what a cool time we've got John Burton.

943
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,800
Um, let's, let's, let's do the rundown here.

944
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:40,800
I want to make sure that we give, um, proper promotional consideration to, to your myriad

945
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:41,800
projects.

946
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:47,800
We've got Ivy dash style.com, which is John's style blog, which is fantastic and very well

947
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,800
organized and very easy to use.

948
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:57,800
We've got the home from here show.com, which is a John's homepage for his podcast home

949
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:02,800
from here, which is available on all major podcast platforms, including mixed cloud.

950
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,800
We've also got the lifted project.

951
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:09,800
That's lifted project.org and that is featuring the song.

952
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,800
Won't be broken.

953
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,800
Um, co-written by John.

954
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,800
Um, and I'm sorry, it's Olivia Bollger.

955
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:17,800
Yeah.

956
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:18,800
I'll give her credit too.

957
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:19,800
Right.

958
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:24,800
And then, um, that is, uh, is supporting, um, Hudson river housing.

959
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,800
So that's Hudson river housing.org.

960
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:31,800
We've got the Berkshire center for children, which is Berkshire farm.org.

961
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:37,800
We've got Hudson Valley animal rescue, which is HVARS.org.

962
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,800
And we've got kidney for Clark, which you can look up and has a Facebook page.

963
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:48,800
And that's a fantastic charity, um, for an ex cop who needs a, who needs a kidney.

964
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,800
Um, and John's doing again, fantastic work, bringing awareness there.

965
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,800
John, thank you so much for being on the show with us today.

966
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:56,800
Yes.

967
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:57,800
Thanks, John.

968
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:58,800
Thank you guys for having me.

969
01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:59,800
This is our flu.

970
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:00,800
That's how you know it's good.

971
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:01,800
Thank you.

972
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,800
We'd love to have you on again too in the future.

973
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:05,800
Give me a time.

974
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:06,800
I'll be there.

975
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:07,800
Now it's awesome.

976
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,800
And now that we covered all this, we can have you back and you can play some tunes.

977
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:11,800
Right.

978
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:12,800
I would love that.

979
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,800
Or you guys can come up here and you guys can play me some tunes.

980
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:15,800
I love it.

981
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,800
I think, uh, well, you be careful.

982
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,800
I just want to watch some of Ryan's videos.

983
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,800
I don't know if you want, I don't know if you want his stage performance going on in

984
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:24,800
your studio there.

985
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:25,800
Everything's plastic.

986
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,800
We'll be fine.

987
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:28,800
That's great.

988
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:29,800
We'll put down some tarps.

989
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:30,800
There you go.

990
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:31,800
Yeah.

991
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:32,800
Right.

992
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:33,800
Do your own work.

993
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:34,800
I love it.

994
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:35,800
I love it.

995
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:36,800
John, thanks again.

996
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:37,800
Ryan, nice job, man.

997
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:38,800
Yeah, you too.

998
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,800
We're here on the, the Sunlight Moonlight podcast.

999
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,800
Dom, Dorn, Ryan Havers are awesome guests.

1000
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,800
We'll see you next time.

1001
01:01:47,800 --> 01:02:15,800
Bye.