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It's a little, I get a little doors.

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That's The Night Times.

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And Ryan is in that band, Ryan Havers.

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That is me.

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That is the name of me.

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That is the name of me.

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This is where we talk to people about being creative,

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working people who are being creative

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I will be back.

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We will be back in a little while.

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The Night Times is one of the projects of Ryan and our guest today, Will Hoffman.

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Will Hoffman is a creative director and a vocalist.

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When did that record come out, Ryan?

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Oh my God, when did it come out?

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But again, I don't know with COVID and everything, it's like time just like there was this lapse in time where everything kind of stopped.

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In starting this podcast, we're we're trying to talk about the things that we know the things that we're going through.

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So, Ryan, how you know, knowing that you, you have a show coming up, don't you.

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Well, because of his podcast.

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This is a fantastic show.

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This is the sunlight moonlight podcast.

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I'm here with Ryan Havers.

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I am Dom Dorman.

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I think Ryan, do you want to, what do you want to do?

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Well, you know, we usually catch up about, so I mean, enough about me.

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What's going on this week?

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You got, you got sick.

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I got sick.

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I purchased this Chinese copy of a like a Paul McCartney Hoffner bass on Facebook Marketplace.

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300 bucks or whatever.

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It's hot.

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So we wind up talking over Facebook and it turns out that the bass actually belonged to

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her father and her father, her father and mother, their washing machine broke.

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And he didn't want to tell his wife that he didn't have enough money to buy a new washing

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machine because he was ashamed.

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So he went and sold his base and his amp to get money to buy a new washing machine.

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And then he died.

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Oh man.

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And then they said, the daughter who's the person is messaging me said, we can't, we

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couldn't for the life of us find this base.

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It was like his prized possession and it was the thing he loved most in the world.

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And he had sold it to try and get money for this washing machine, but couldn't tell his

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family was so ashamed.

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He couldn't bring it, bring up the courage to tell his family.

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So she said, I said, Oh my God, I'm so sorry.

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Like this, he seems like such a nice guy, like this really tragic.

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And apparently he just kind of like dropped dead out of nowhere.

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Oh man.

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And so, you know, I say it or I said, obviously, I would you like the base?

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Like you can have the base back.

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I don't need it.

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I don't need it that much.

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You know, it can get another one.

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But if it has sentimental value to you, of course, I will, I will sell it back to you

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guys.

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I mean, I don't want to lose money, but like you're welcome to buy.

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I will sell it to you.

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And so we a couple of months go by because they're all down in Florida and the mother

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finally comes back up here.

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And you know, we put this date together to put for me to go deliver this base and sell

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it back to the widow.

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I show up to the widow's house and she comes to the door and she like immediately starts

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crying.

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And she's very grateful and she's like, you're such a nice person.

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Thank you so much for doing this.

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And I was like, listen, I like, I just want this thing to be home where it belongs.

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And it was really kind of touching and moving to be part of this story somehow that, you

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know, there's this guy who has so much pride that he gives up, he sells the thing he loves

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most in the world to make sure that his wife, you know, doesn't have to go to the laundromat.

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I just want this base to be home and I think for it to be in its rightful home, it's going

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to be double what I paid for.

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Right.

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That'll be $8,000.

292
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Yeah.

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No, I only asked for what I paid for.

294
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Well, I said, I actually really like the amp.

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Do you want the amp too?

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Because I'd like to keep the amp.

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And she was like, I don't care about the amp.

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We just need the guitar.

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I said, okay, fine.

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Get the amp out of here.

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I don't need the amp.

302
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The amp sounds great.

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Rumbles are good.

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But it had, he was cute.

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You know, he had like the, like the, you know, the black strings on it, like, you know,

306
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McCartney, and like he was like a big Beatles guy.

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That's cool.

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Well, that's a good story.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I just thought it was interesting, you know, as I'm, and anybody who knows me will tell

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you I'm very big and sort of like the take it or leave it groups or the Facebook marketplace

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things of both buying and selling.

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And it really what has, it has become me being unemployed.

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What it has become for me is like, there's always a little bit of a story there as far

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as like giving something away or taking something or selling, you know, I sold an, an Ibanez

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acoustic guitar the other day.

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And the guy's story was that he, his brother has the same guitar and he's always loved

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it, but he's never been able to find the same model.

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And so he saw mine.

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He was like, now, like I have one just like my brother.

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And like, now I don't have to play his anymore because I love playing his.

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And I was like, okay, cool.

324
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Right.

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So that's my story.

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That's that didn't happen this week, but that happened a couple of weeks ago.

327
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And I was just thinking about the whole selling guitars thing.

328
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So I'm not at a point where I'm selling guitars.

329
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I hope to not be.

330
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Yeah.

331
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Yeah.

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Well, it's not like that's going to, you know, pay my mortgage, right?

333
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But it's really a sort of when I look around, it's like, okay, this is, I might have too

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many guitars.

335
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This is insane.

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Cause it's more than that.

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It's like whatever's back there.

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This is like what's out.

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It's bad.

340
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It's bad.

341
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Um, all right.

342
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Why don't we play a song and bring our guests will Hoffman on.

343
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Wait.

344
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So you want to, you want to play a song and then bring will on?

345
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Yeah.

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Out of the song, we'll have will on.

347
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Okay.

348
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What song do you want me to play?

349
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Why don't we play, um, we play pretty little suicide.

350
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All right.

351
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Stand by pretty little suicide.

352
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So this is going to be the night times, which includes, no, no, this is, this is country

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club.

354
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Oh, sorry.

355
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This is, oh, I got it.

356
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Country club in the porn horns.

357
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Was it just country club at this point?

358
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It was just country club.

359
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Yeah.

360
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What happened to the, the porn horns?

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We, we let's bring, let's bring will on.

362
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Well, on.

363
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All right.

364
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I'm going to play the music.

365
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As I play the music, I'm going to bring well on.

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We'll listen to a tune and then we'll get into it with, with will Hoffman.

367
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Hang on here.

368
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This thing has auto played.

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So I got to bring it back Jack and do it again.

370
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We're talking about country club.

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There it is.

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All right.

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All right.

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All right.

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All right.

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All right.

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All right.

378
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All right.

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All right.

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All right.

381
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All right.

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All right.

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All right.

384
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All right.

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All right.

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All right.

387
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You're looking handsome.

388
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Very good.

389
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Yes.

390
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Thank you.

391
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All right.

392
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Let me get rid of the gum.

393
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Get rid of the gum.

394
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Man, I love that.

395
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I get so much out of that.

396
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I get Kiss.

397
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I get Erasmith.

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I get Rocky Horror.

399
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Like there's so much going on.

400
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So the blending of styles and the musicianship.

401
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Seeing you guys live was probably, I mean, it's, it, you guys put on such a great show

402
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and there was so much going on all the time.

403
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Those were the days.

404
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That was fun stuff.

405
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Yeah.

406
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Yeah.

407
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There was a, yeah, it was, it was a, it was a ruckus.

408
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It was a ruckus.

409
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It was a ruckus.

410
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There's a lot going on.

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There's six, six guys in the band and everybody was bringing something to the table, writing,

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performing, singing.

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So there was a lot to see for sure.

414
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And you wrote that song in particular.

415
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You wrote everything on that song.

416
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Yeah.

417
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,000
Well, I think you might've had a hand in some of it too yourself.

418
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What was you?

419
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Where did you sort of start with that?

420
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It seems to me it's almost like, it sounds almost like a, like a pulp fiction novel,

421
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you know, like a, like a, a campy movie from the 60s, you know.

422
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Oh yeah.

423
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Interesting.

424
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:51,000
Well, I think I was listening to a lot of garage rock, which is fairly evident there.

425
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The sonics was really listening to a lot of the sonics at that time.

426
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And that song, I, you know, don't remember exactly where that came from.

427
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Although I do, I think it was written about a boss of mine who made you want to commit

428
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suicide.

429
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:16,000
So that was like, you know, sort of about her, sort of about a car at the same time.

430
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,000
Okay.

431
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,000
A car and a woman, you know, how music works in different ways.

432
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000
Rock and roll cars and women.

433
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What are your meanings?

434
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,000
Well, we're, you know, we were actually talking the, our previous episode, Ryan, we were talking

435
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a little bit about songs that can sound romantic, but are actually about something else that's

436
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not a woman or like not a significant other.

437
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Do you remember this?

438
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Am I making this up?

439
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,000
I don't remember.

440
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,000
I might, I might have had a dream about this, but well, we were just talking about how to

441
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that end, you know, the, the double meanings inside what's so cool about music and lyrics

442
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,000
is that you can paint a picture that's not always what it seems.

443
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Right.

444
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So it's like, you know, I was just listening to, they just aired the, the Billy Joel special

445
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on CBS that actually got cut short.

446
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,000
I don't know if you guys saw it.

447
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,000
I read about that.

448
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,000
Ridiculous.

449
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000
But my wife and I were at that show actually that, where that was recorded.

450
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And I was listening to, you know, he's got his new song, Turn the Lights Back On.

451
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And, you know, effectively or on the surface, it sounds romantic, but it's actually a little

452
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bit about him and his relationship with music and writing music.

453
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And so something like that, you know, something that can be about a woman or a car or, you

454
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,440
know, I actually wrote a song about a friend of mine who's a male who we were not, you

455
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know, and we were just friends, not in any sort of relationship, but there's some lines

456
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in the song that make it sound like it's kind of like about a girl, but it's really not

457
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just because it's about feelings and emotions and stuff.

458
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So I think that's really cool.

459
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I love that.

460
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Yeah.

461
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And I like when I allow myself to not have to fully define what a song is about.

462
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,360
Like, you know, it's nice to have a sense of it because it's hard to even come up with

463
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the words if you don't have some sense of where you're going with it, but to not have

464
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to necessarily be super specific to let the words flow.

465
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And if you like them, you like them and sing the song, play the song, record the song and

466
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,160
let people interpret it for what they want it to be as well.

467
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,160
Yeah.

468
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,240
You give folks an opportunity, like make it, make it about whatever you want, you know,

469
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if this speaks to you, if you connect with this, it doesn't have to be what I want it

470
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to be.

471
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It's your experience.

472
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That's great.

473
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,880
Well, you've been writing a lot lately for the night times.

474
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And you also, you have this, another project with another friend of ours, Josh Stark, doing

475
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:38,760
some country music.

476
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,560
Are you guys writing in that as well?

477
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,560
Yeah.

478
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,560
Yeah.

479
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,600
And I hesitate to necessarily call it a full-on project.

480
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:51,080
Just the two of us and we're getting together once every week, every other week.

481
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:58,840
And, you know, we both share a common interest in honky-tonk music, country music, a little

482
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:07,080
more from like the West Coast style, the Bakersfield area of country music.

483
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,600
And we both share that interest and we both love to play the music.

484
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,720
And so we're giving ourselves the opportunity to sit down with another person and play that

485
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music.

486
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:21,960
And it allows us to bring old classics in and sing them together, sing harmonies, work

487
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,000
on that, play lead parts, work on that and to bring the originals in.

488
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,600
So I think I have three originals that we're jamming on right now.

489
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,600
Josh has got a couple.

490
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:37,720
But yeah, I've been trying to write, trying to stay busy with that and just demoing these

491
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,840
songs out at home.

492
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:40,840
And I love it.

493
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,840
It's great.

494
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:42,840
A lot of fun.

495
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,880
I feel like I should know this because, I mean, here's the other thing.

496
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:52,480
Will and I, for folks tuning in, like we've known each other since 99, 2000.

497
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,480
I think 2000.

498
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,040
Yeah, I think 2000.

499
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,560
And we were in a previous band, Country Club.

500
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,880
It was called Country Club of the Pornhorns and Country Club.

501
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,280
And then we changed it to Clause of Paradise.

502
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,280
Oh, that's, yeah.

503
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,280
You're trying.

504
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:14,480
I think that was around about 10 years, wasn't it?

505
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,680
You know, it was maybe only like eight or nine years.

506
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,000
I don't think we made the 10 year mark.

507
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,480
But you know, we did a lot in that time.

508
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,000
I'm going to round up.

509
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,840
Yeah, I'm going to say a decade.

510
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,760
And now night times.

511
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:38,160
So we've been playing music together pretty for quite some, you know, 20 years.

512
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,160
Yeah.

513
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,000
It's been great.

514
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:50,000
But when we, we've written as a band in band settings, but how do you, when you're, when

515
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,480
you're writing at home, what's the starting point?

516
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,840
How do you, how do you start?

517
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:03,160
I think I tend to start with a vocal on usually, not always.

518
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:10,160
But I think I, if I have a vocal line that I hear in my head, usually there's words that

519
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,520
I like and there's a melody that I like.

520
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,760
Sometimes maybe it's just a melody.

521
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,800
I got to figure out those words later, but usually it's something around a vocal line

522
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,560
and that allows me to feel like, okay, I've got a hook here.

523
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,920
I've got something that I can, that I can build off of.

524
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,360
And so then I'll start building in, you know, maybe I'll hear like a counter melody in the

525
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,360
car and then I'll hear what the bass is going to do and I'll start building it in that way.

526
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,480
On occasion, you know, maybe I'm fooling around on guitar and come up with something and I'm

527
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,360
like, oh, okay, that riff is something and then I'll sit down and work around that riff.

528
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:47,320
But I think it's, you know, eight times out of 10, it's, you know, based on a vocal line.

529
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,320
Wow.

530
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,320
Okay.

531
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,320
Yeah.

532
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:56,760
And you know, it's funny, writing in a band is, is, is so, it doesn't seem like it would

533
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:03,120
be, but it's so different than writing alone or even, even writing, you know, you and I

534
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,760
have collaborated, we're collaborating on a song for ears with eyes.

535
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:13,760
And that was, that was really cool because that gave me some more insight and how you,

536
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,400
you come up with different things, you know, like you come up with a lot of different embellishments

537
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,840
and variations and stuff, which is really cool.

538
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:26,720
I don't, I come up with like nuts and bolts and, and, you know, apart here, apart there

539
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,320
progression.

540
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:35,640
And that's for me, that's something I sort of lack in is the variation in the embellishment.

541
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,360
Like I like loops, I could listen to a loop.

542
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,960
I could listen to loops all day, you know.

543
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,720
But so yeah, that's interesting.

544
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,240
Come with with vocal lines.

545
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,240
How about you, Dom?

546
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,800
What do you, what do you come up with?

547
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:57,720
I go at it from every angle, basically, sometimes I'll come up with a phrase, you know, I did

548
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,200
a song called, look at me when you lie to me.

549
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,080
And I came up with that phrase and I wrote a song around it.

550
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,560
Sometimes I come up with a riff and I'll do lyrics to the riff.

551
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:17,040
So one of my most effective methods, and it's actually interesting, you know, sort of how

552
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:23,720
my output is affected because one of my favorite writing techniques is to do music, to put

553
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,840
demos together and then to listen to them in the car while I'm driving and come up with

554
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,680
vocal lines.

555
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,200
And there's something about being in the car to me psychologically that is very safe,

556
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,520
because I know nobody can hear me.

557
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,200
And so there's a little bit of a freedom there to sort of like try new and different things

558
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,960
that may not sound good the first time.

559
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:49,200
Whereas, you know, when I'm here in my studio and I know my wife is working from home on

560
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:55,520
the other side of the house, there's just that little bit, that little fear deep down

561
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,680
inside where it's like, I might be trying stuff out and she might hear it and be like,

562
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,920
oh, God, like, how awful is that?

563
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,240
I know exactly what you mean.

564
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,240
Right.

565
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,640
And the car is like, it's a vocal booth.

566
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:08,640
Right.

567
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,640
Yeah.

568
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,640
Yeah.

569
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,080
And I guess, like, the house is empty.

570
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,400
I'll be like, all right, I got like a half an hour, let me go in there and record some

571
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,400
vocals.

572
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,400
Right.

573
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,320
Because I just, you know, I want to have the freedom to blast it out, make mistakes,

574
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,120
be off key, you know, and just figure out what I want to do.

575
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,760
And I don't want this, I don't like the feeling of somebody could be outside the door listening.

576
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,760
Yeah.

577
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,760
Same.

578
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:35,640
And that, and I really like, I like to vary sort of like song origins.

579
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,000
I like to vary where they do come from.

580
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,400
I don't want to do an entire record where I do all the music and then I come up with

581
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,400
all the lyrics.

582
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,320
I don't want to do a whole record of like poetry that I've written and then set it to

583
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,320
music.

584
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:55,840
I like the idea of each song having a different birthing process because it makes it so much

585
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,960
more interesting for me.

586
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:03,160
And then it really gives you stories to tell to say, like, you know, hey, I was, I was just

587
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,160
really into the Beatles that month, you know, and I came up with this thing that reminded

588
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,480
me of George Harrison or, you know, I was playing a lot of drums that week.

589
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,440
And so I came up with the beat first and then I wrote a song around it.

590
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:25,680
So that's, but I know that there are people who are very regimented in saying, like, I

591
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,840
will come up, I need to come up with the music first, you know, and just to talk about Billy

592
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,840
Joligan.

593
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,920
And I think he's one of those guys where he in interviews I've heard with him, he says,

594
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,360
you know, I come up with the music and then I'll put lyrics to it.

595
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,360
Wow.

596
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,800
But there's some that's a part of the beauty of the art, right?

597
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,320
Is there so many different ways?

598
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:54,240
I know for anything that I'm doing and not even music wise, like, I have until three

599
00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:02,280
o'clock usually because when the kids get home, like, I've tried to cut vocals while

600
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,400
they're here, I'm not really self conscious in front of them.

601
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,520
More self conscious in front of Lori than I am the kids.

602
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,920
But they're so loud that it just, it comes right through into the mic.

603
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,000
I'm just like, I can't, there's no, I can't do it.

604
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,960
And it's always like, you know, dad, I'm hungry or this, you know,

605
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,400
Oh, you're just a butler.

606
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,400
You're just a butler.

607
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,400
Exactly.

608
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,560
And it's like, and this happens all the time.

609
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,960
It's just like, dad, dad, I'm thirsty.

610
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,520
Can you get me some water?

611
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,800
You know how to get water.

612
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,800
I can't.

613
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:34,800
I can't.

614
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,800
You know where the glasses are.

615
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,680
You're 11, you're 13, you know how to do this.

616
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,240
Like, no, I'm not going to, I put my foot down.

617
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:44,160
I was like, no, I'm not doing it.

618
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,160
Go get it.

619
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,920
Get up off the couch and get it.

620
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,920
Yeah, this morning it was, dad, can you put some Cheerios in a Ziploc bag for me?

621
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,920
Wow.

622
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,640
I could, but so could you.

623
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,640
Yeah.

624
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,640
Yeah.

625
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,640
It's, it's maddening.

626
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:06,480
What, let's talk a little bit about what, like, what pays the bills for you and how,

627
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,920
how does it sort of pay in the bills?

628
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,080
When you're paying the bills, you're doing the things to pay the bills.

629
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:20,320
How do you manage, you know, the, the, the day job and the extracurricular activities?

630
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,680
You guys are very active.

631
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,960
Like I'm not nearly as active as I used to be, or as you guys are when it comes to performing

632
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,960
live and things like that, but how do you manage that?

633
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,960
Yeah.

634
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:36,080
Well, I mean, paying the bills is, you know, first priority, right?

635
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,320
And as you, I think you said earlier, I'm a creative director.

636
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:47,360
So I, you know, I'm a, I'm buy trade, a graphic designer and, you know, spent my career growing,

637
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,160
growing through that trade to where I'm a creative director now.

638
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,000
And that's, that's got to be top priority.

639
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,720
Got to make sure that the bills get paid.

640
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:03,560
But the, you know, so you're, I guess you're asking like, how do we, how do we find the

641
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,480
time to build in the creative around that?

642
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,480
Yeah.

643
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Yeah.

644
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,840
I mean, what's the, what's the rub or what's the challenge for you?

645
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:18,200
Or, you know, you actually have a job that, that earns you money that is creative by nature.

646
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,960
Does it, because it is creative by nature, because you're earning money on it, does it

647
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,480
feel more like work than your other stuff?

648
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,160
Or is, do you still consider it creative?

649
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,560
Yeah, it does.

650
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,560
It does feel like work.

651
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,960
And especially when you, when you become a creative director and you're doing less hands

652
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,400
on, you've got a group of designers, art directors who are working for you and reporting to you

653
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:44,560
and you're reviewing work, you're less part of, you're less hands on, you're less creating.

654
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,240
The best part of that job for me is getting a group of people together.

655
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:52,920
You might get an art director, a writer, an animator and into a group conversation and

656
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,640
your brainstorming on how you're going to approach something.

657
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,200
To me, that's, that's really fun because that is truly creative and you're doing it with

658
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:05,800
people that you respect, talented people who you've brought together.

659
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,960
So that's, that's probably my favorite part of being a creative director is, is working

660
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,960
with, with folks in that way.

661
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,360
But you know, ultimately to answer your question, yeah, I mean, it does feel like work.

662
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,360
It is work.

663
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:22,240
And, and then, you know, becoming a creative director also brings in all the administrative

664
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,000
duties along with it.

665
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,800
So, you know, you're responsible for making sure your team has got great creative output,

666
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:36,280
but you're also dealing with budgets and, you know, firing, hiring, layoffs, you know,

667
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:43,080
whatever it may be, compensation, you're dealing with maybe executive conversations, business

668
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,080
conversations.

669
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,640
So there's, there's more to it.

670
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,640
That's work.

671
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,640
That's like, that's work in the camp before.

672
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:50,640
Yeah.

673
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,640
Yeah.

674
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:52,640
Yeah.

675
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,640
I mean, I'm currently, currently I am freelancing, which has been nice because I'm no longer

676
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:56,880
a creative director.

677
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,440
So now for, for at least for the time being, I'm an art director freelancing.

678
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,240
So I'm back to hands on, which is a lot more fun.

679
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:07,720
And you know, I'm enjoying that right now.

680
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:12,960
And it's giving me the freedom to do this podcast with you guys and write songs.

681
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:19,800
So yeah, getting back to, you know, you know, I think since I left my, my job as a creative

682
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,600
director a few months back, since then, yeah, my writing has increased.

683
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:30,840
I've been, I've been, I've had more time to sit down and make things happen musically.

684
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,960
You know, before it was always, it had to be after hours, after the kids are in bed.

685
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:36,960
All right.

686
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,960
Let me sit down.

687
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,160
It's like nine o'clock at night and I'm tired and I want to write some music.

688
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,720
And sometimes it starts happening and sometimes it's just not happening because your brain

689
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,440
is just too exhausted from the day.

690
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,640
So this little time that I've got right now where I'm, where I'm bouncing around and freelancing

691
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:57,480
is nice because it gives me that midday opportunity to, to get creative.

692
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,120
It's, it's so, it always, sorry, Ryan, I just, I'm not quick.

693
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,200
Then this is a recurring theme.

694
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:10,760
It makes me so sad and angry that the, when all is said and done in a work day and in a

695
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:18,400
day with family or friends or commitments, the time that you get to yourself to be creative

696
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:27,360
when it's all over is such shit time because you are, you're pissed, tired, like done with

697
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,360
it.

698
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,640
You either want to just go to sleep or drink, have like four beers or smash your head against

699
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,040
the wall or however anybody blows off steam.

700
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,800
And it's like, I find that it's so unfair.

701
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:47,080
It's like you're, you're giving the best hours of your day away to everyone else except yourself

702
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,920
and it just pisses me off.

703
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:56,080
That's actually what I wanted to say just to piggyback on there is that will is out of

704
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:01,880
anyone, anyone of my friends will has got such a huge tank.

705
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:10,560
Like dude, you, you are like, like you always have ideas, you're always working on something

706
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,400
and you're always ready to rehearse in play shows.

707
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:20,840
Like you're always like, Will is like the Paul McCartney of both bands that we've been

708
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,000
in together where it's like, I'll be like, I don't want to do it tonight.

709
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,320
And he's like, dude, come on, we're going to rehearse, right?

710
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,320
We're going to do it, right guys?

711
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,320
Like, actually the guys and, and you know what?

712
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,320
A band needs that.

713
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,840
I need a guy like that in my life.

714
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,440
But Will has deep reserves, man.

715
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,600
And I give you credit for that.

716
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:39,600
Yeah, I guess.

717
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,200
Oh, and I find myself tired and, and, but, you know, it's like, there only is so much

718
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,960
time in, in your life to do these things.

719
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,240
And so I think that's where, you know, some of that encouragement comes from.

720
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:56,280
Like, come on, Ryan, we got to do it because let's not let another day go by where we don't

721
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,280
do this.

722
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,280
You know, let's make it happen.

723
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,280
And it's been hard.

724
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,160
Like with the night times, like all of our rehearsals going back, like Ryan said, we've

725
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,960
been together 10 years now.

726
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:10,280
We started all of our kids were really small and there's four, there's five of us in the

727
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,280
band.

728
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,280
Four of us have kids.

729
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,600
And so when we started, I mean, the kids were really little.

730
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,720
I think I had twins that were born within the first year or two of the band.

731
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:26,040
So we had a little bit of a hiatus at that point, but, you know, started working it back

732
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,000
in, but it's always been late night rehearsals.

733
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,640
Um, I, I've, the name, the night times always felt really appropriate because we, we are

734
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,600
always late night rehearsals.

735
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:36,600
Yeah.

736
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,800
Um, as we've gotten, as our kids have started to grow up a little bit, I think we've been

737
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,600
able to get some earlier rehearsal instead of starting at 10 or 10 30, we're starting

738
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:46,600
around nine.

739
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,560
So it's getting a little better here and there.

740
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,440
Um, but it is always a nighttime thing, you know, and it's like either you're going to

741
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:54,680
do it or you're not.

742
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,880
Um, I'd rather do it.

743
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,160
I like how it was, it was so very natural for Will to be like, come on, Ryan, we got

744
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:08,440
to do it because he's had to text that so many times and just say that to me.

745
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,040
That's a real thing by the way.

746
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,720
No, and look, consider yourself fortunate.

747
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:17,520
Sometimes he's falling asleep though in one of the kids beds and times.

748
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:18,520
Yeah.

749
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,520
And we don't get them.

750
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,720
So I've learned though, just text, just text Lori and say Lori, go wake up Ryan.

751
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:24,720
We're waiting on that.

752
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:30,200
That's, that is the way to, to make sure that, to keep Ryan honest.

753
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,200
Yeah.

754
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:36,640
But, but you need, listen, I wish, I wish I had that, that guy.

755
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,200
I mean, will, can you just like text me every three days and be like, Dom, finish, finish

756
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,200
your songs.

757
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,200
What are you doing?

758
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,360
What are you doing right now?

759
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,040
Dude, that's a niche thing.

760
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,000
You could, you could like, that's a new business reminder, right?

761
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,000
The reminder, the profession, you're a professional reminder.

762
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Yeah.

763
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000
That's my new career.

764
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,000
Yeah.

765
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,280
You're like, dude, get your car washed, like enough already.

766
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,240
Like, go get your car changed.

767
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:04,640
Something else I want to touch upon is, as long as I've known Will, as long as I've known

768
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:10,000
you will, you're like visually creative as well.

769
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:17,080
Will has always made all of the artwork, both Country Club and the night times.

770
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:25,880
And you can see like on his back wall there, some of his designs, but where do you, I don't

771
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,720
know that I've ever really talked to you about it.

772
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:30,520
Like where, I mean, that's obviously an interest.

773
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,200
That's how you got into becoming a creative director for different brands and different

774
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,200
companies.

775
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,200
Yeah.

776
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,200
Yeah.

777
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,000
Well, you know, I think that was how I found graphic design.

778
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,160
So I had gone through NYU, right?

779
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,440
And I was getting close to graduating, but, you know, I was starting to make just Flyers

780
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,760
for the band I was in was before Country Club and the Porno.

781
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,680
It was another band, but I would start to make Flyers and doing it the old fashioned way,

782
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:01,120
pasting things together, going to Kinko's and that was all fun.

783
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,360
And, you know, the name of that band was illustrate up.

784
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,280
Then I somehow.

785
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,280
Booba.

786
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,280
Oh, we lost him.

787
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,280
Oh, wait.

788
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,280
Yeah.

789
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,280
Can you say that again?

790
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,600
But at the time, Budo, Vooba.

791
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,600
Yeah, there you go.

792
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,600
Budo, Vooba.

793
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,600
Okay.

794
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:19,600
Yeah.

795
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,600
That's right.

796
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,600
Yeah.

797
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:22,600
Yeah.

798
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:23,600
You got me.

799
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,600
You hear me?

800
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,600
We got you.

801
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,600
Yeah.

802
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,600
It was a little bit.

803
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:28,600
So yeah.

804
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:29,600
Okay.

805
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:30,600
Just let me know if it happens again.

806
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,760
But started making posters, Flyers like that by hand and then realized, oh yeah, there's

807
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,880
this thing called graphic design that people do for a living.

808
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:36,880
Maybe I should do that.

809
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,960
And, you know, I was already ending my undergrad studies at NYU.

810
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,640
So I had to teach myself graphic design.

811
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:50,080
And when you start digging in and learning about it, you're like, oh, there's all these

812
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,800
other things that I didn't know about.

813
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,560
I didn't know that about typography and what a skill and, you know, art form typography

814
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:02,720
is learning about typefaces themselves and the art of making typefaces.

815
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:07,760
Just like, you know, principle design principles that, you know, guide what you do as a designer.

816
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,280
And then of course, like, how does brand design come together?

817
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,400
So I had to learn that stuff over time.

818
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,000
And so I think at one, you know, at that point when I, when I realized that that's kind of

819
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:24,720
what I want to do for a career, for money, started to separate the rock poster stuff

820
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:26,640
from the graphic design stuff.

821
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:34,160
Like when I do, when I do posters for the night times, yes, there's, it's graphic design,

822
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,960
but there's also illustration involved.

823
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:43,200
It's a little more art, it's a little more of making art than it is of like brand design.

824
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,720
So what I guess what I'm saying is it helps me and maybe Don, maybe, Don, maybe this goes

825
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:52,920
back to what you were asking about like separating work and fun is I think having that outlet

826
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,680
for creating posters and album art, I did, I did our latest album artwork, which we could

827
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,280
talk about in a minute.

828
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,080
Ryan was in the photo.

829
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,480
But being able to have that outlet helps me like when I'm just bogged down in corporate

830
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,560
brand world every day, you know, to know that, oh, I'm going to do something really cool

831
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,560
for the band later tonight, or I've got a photo shoot where I'm going to bury Ryan in

832
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:21,080
dirt and he's going to lay there with the worms for an hour and he can't move and he

833
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,160
can't scratch an itch.

834
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,000
You know, that's, that's, that's really fun.

835
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,760
And that kind of allows me to have that, that truly creative part of what I do.

836
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:30,880
So it's all connected.

837
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:37,440
It's all part of the same world, but you know, corporate brand design is very, it's much

838
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:43,680
more technical, whereas, you know, rock posters and album art can be a little more fun.

839
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:44,680
That's cool.

840
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:51,080
I mean, it's sort of like you have these different like strata of like, you know, you drill down

841
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,720
to like, there's the hardcore corporate stuff, which is like people management and finance

842
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:58,320
and all that kind of stuff and being a creative director.

843
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,240
And then there's like sort of art director, which is a little bit more hands on, but in

844
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,360
the same sort of venue.

845
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,680
And then there's, you have this, you know, Venn diagram where they overlap where you're

846
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,320
doing art for your music.

847
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,760
And then you have the music and you have the lyrics.

848
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,880
And it's like, it's like this sort of like, I'm just imagining like a tiered diagram of

849
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,120
like, you know, Will Hoffman's creative endeavors or Will's head, you know, yeah, it's like,

850
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,800
yeah, yeah, it's all, it's all sort of like, you know, it's like a pyramid.

851
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:28,800
But it's good.

852
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,880
That's a good way of looking at it for sure.

853
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:31,880
It's really right.

854
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,520
It is kind of cool how there's that part.

855
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,880
And then, but it bleeds into the actual music itself.

856
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,560
Like you said, like that's that, you know, I'm glad you said that because that's, it's

857
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:41,560
very true.

858
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,080
It's like, it's not just like I'm doing the artwork, but it's for my music is my lyrics,

859
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,080
my stories.

860
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,400
So it's, yeah, it kind of all comes together.

861
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,400
It's nice.

862
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,280
Yeah, it's really, it's really cool.

863
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,160
And also to be able to have that.

864
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,600
And it reminds me of cake a little bit, you know, because like they, they do all the music,

865
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:06,080
like they go to Sony music and they say, you know, we're going to have this record in a

866
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,160
year and the execs say, okay, just hand it to us.

867
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,400
And John McCrae does all the artwork.

868
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,320
He started out as a silk screener making t-shirts.

869
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,200
He does all the artwork.

870
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,480
And then he just basically hands, oh, careful Ryan.

871
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,680
I think our mic's cut out when we, when we leave the scene.

872
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,440
Do you remember that?

873
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,440
That's awesome.

874
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,440
I can hear you.

875
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,640
No, it's on our recording.

876
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:39,560
It's like a little, it's like a weird glitch, but we might be able to replace that though.

877
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:40,560
Right, Ryan?

878
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,520
Yeah, I just wanted to show the, I just wanted to, yeah, it was so cool.

879
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:45,520
Fix it in post.

880
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:46,520
Yeah.

881
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,520
Fix it in post.

882
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,120
But no, it's probably a picture of Ryan.

883
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:54,120
I probably have a raw picture of Ryan in the dirt we can, we can get to you too.

884
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,120
It's awesome.

885
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,880
It's such a, I love the visualization of the actual like, it's like the literal sort of

886
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,120
like, in the name of the album.

887
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,040
Let me, let's just show that again real quick.

888
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,520
Yeah, we could talk about this a little bit because this is fun.

889
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:14,280
I'm, I'm pretty psyched about this album cover and I think what, what this does to is it

890
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,280
brings a lot of what I do together.

891
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:21,840
So you know, there's a man, Ryan, buried, buried in the dirt.

892
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,600
Like he's being buried in a shallow grave on his shirt is the title of the album, bury

893
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,520
me in my favorite shirt.

894
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:36,200
Wanted, I wanted to make sure, because we come from like a psych garage thing.

895
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,160
I thought it'd be kind of fun to have some psychedelic looking typography.

896
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:45,880
So this was all hand created typography, hand lettered, which was really fun.

897
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,440
I really enjoyed doing stuff like that.

898
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,560
It reminds me of the posters, like from the Fillmore, like the sixties and stuff, right?

899
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,320
Yeah, yeah, it's from that.

900
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,520
It's coming from that, that genre, right?

901
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,280
And so it was fun to create all that.

902
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:04,760
But then I had some shirts made up some, there were prototypes for shirts that we eventually

903
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,480
made to sell as merch, but got some prototypes made up.

904
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,280
Then we buried Ryan and our friend Liam did the, did the photography and he was really

905
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,360
he brought some good, some good aesthetic to it as well.

906
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:23,960
The way he lit it, you know, he wanted to go for like, as if they were headlights, like

907
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:29,520
as if somebody had driven a car into a field and they were burying somebody by headlight.

908
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,120
And I think he got that really well.

909
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,120
That's great.

910
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,720
You know, when he cut out a lot of the color, so it's like almost like Ryan's hands look

911
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:41,520
like, you know, he's rigamortises said and he's just got no color left in his skin.

912
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,520
And so it was really fun.

913
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:48,040
It all came together, you know, and then of course, you know, putting the packaging together

914
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,280
becomes a kind of a more traditional graphic design thing.

915
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,800
So creating like, you know, the credits and the liner notes and that kind of stuff.

916
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,120
So for me, it was fun because it brought all these different things together.

917
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,400
And we had a good time doing it.

918
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,640
We did a band photo shoot as well around it.

919
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,920
So the coffin shape of burying me in my favorite shirt is pretty cool.

920
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:16,440
And then also the guitar pose, the rig, the rigamortis guitar pose.

921
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,400
And and we should say that is Liam Goodman was the photographer of this.

922
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,160
He's out of Beacon, New York.

923
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,800
Awesome photographer, really, really awesome to work with.

924
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,560
Yeah, and a great guy.

925
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:29,560
Yeah.

926
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:30,560
Yeah.

927
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,760
And then we were able to make the shirts, which was fun.

928
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:33,760
Then we got to sell the shirts.

929
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,080
You can you can buy yourself a shirt that says bury me in my favorite shirt.

930
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,560
And so it all kind of comes together.

931
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,200
It's a fun, fun little concept.

932
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,600
So there was a good time doing all that.

933
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:52,400
I'm going to find this other this other version here and tight of the the band photo shoot.

934
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,560
If I can just move this around here we go.

935
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:56,560
So let's check this one out.

936
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,560
No, it's just Brian.

937
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,560
Hey, we're not.

938
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:01,560
Hi.

939
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:02,560
We don't want that.

940
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:03,560
We don't want that.

941
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:04,560
We have them.

942
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:05,560
Hold on.

943
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:06,560
Oh, here we go.

944
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:07,560
Okay.

945
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:13,440
So we're going to do this and then we're going to move this around.

946
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,440
Bear with me, folks.

947
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,440
There we go.

948
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,920
So this is the other band photo, which I love this one.

949
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,280
This is like my favorite.

950
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,560
That's when I had pink hair.

951
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:21,560
Yeah.

952
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,560
The pink hair and we had the shovel.

953
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:25,560
Yeah.

954
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,360
The shovel was was fine because when we did our record release show, they brought the

955
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,600
shovel up on stage.

956
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,600
So, you know, we got to at least bring a little bit of, you know, theme to it, which was nice

957
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,600
without without going overboard.

958
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,760
And it did the lighting is perfect.

959
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,360
It absolutely looks like someone has driven a car into a graveyard.

960
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,360
Yeah.

961
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,360
I think we got lucky too.

962
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,880
It was just the way the sun was.

963
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,880
It was good that day.

964
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:49,880
It's really cool.

965
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:50,880
It was a daytime shot.

966
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,880
Looks like a nighttime shot.

967
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,160
It's really cool.

968
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,160
This is great, man.

969
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,480
Ryan, do you want to what do we do?

970
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:03,800
We got a couple of minutes left with Will here who has work to do on like us losers who

971
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,040
are I'm just going to go and like eat a sandwich.

972
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:11,400
But what do we want to get into?

973
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,520
Do we want to get into fight?

974
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,400
Do we want to get into easy, uneasy?

975
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:16,800
Do we want to let will off the hook?

976
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,800
What do we want to do?

977
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:18,960
Let's do easy, uneasy.

978
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:19,960
Okay.

979
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,360
So, well, we we have a little segment here.

980
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,560
We do easy, uneasy question where we ask an easy question.

981
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:32,360
I will ask an easy question and then Dom will ask an uneasy question or a question that

982
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,000
maybe makes you uneasy.

983
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,720
Oh, you're gonna love this.

984
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:38,720
Okay.

985
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:40,200
All right.

986
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:46,600
Now let's see the easy question.

987
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,600
What is your favorite motel chain?

988
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:50,720
Wow.

989
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:56,920
It's not that easy because I don't stay in motels very much.

990
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,560
We'll call it motel six because they leave the light on for you.

991
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,080
There you go.

992
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,080
Wow.

993
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,920
That's a brand recognition, huh?

994
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:05,920
Okay.

995
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,080
So, here's here's the flip side, the question that may make you uneasy.

996
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,080
All right.

997
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,080
All right.

998
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,040
I'm nervous.

999
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,840
Have you ever touched a dead body?

1000
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:18,840
Yes.

1001
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:19,840
What was it?

1002
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,200
What was it like?

1003
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:27,760
Um, just dead.

1004
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,800
It was I, it was like, I think it was a friend's funeral.

1005
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,800
And, um, open casket and people were kind of like touching his hand.

1006
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:36,800
So I did.

1007
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,480
Um, and it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't awful.

1008
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,400
It wasn't awful, but it wasn't pleasant either.

1009
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:50,880
Did it, did that, and just to take the comedy out of it, but that did that, um, what did

1010
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,520
that provide you with?

1011
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,640
It definitely felt like a closure moment.

1012
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,160
Like you're able to, it's a final, a final send off.

1013
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,560
You know, I wouldn't re, I don't regret it.

1014
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,960
It was, it was like, you know, I saw other people doing it.

1015
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:07,960
I was like, Oh, that's nice.

1016
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:08,960
That's kind of nice.

1017
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:09,960
Um, I'm sorry.

1018
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:10,960
Yeah.

1019
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:18,240
I come from, um, a predominantly Italian family and, um, it's, it's sort of like a

1020
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:24,240
thing where like the older folks in the Italian family will like accost the corpse and like

1021
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:28,760
hug it and lay on it and like it gets a little like, okay.

1022
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:29,760
All right.

1023
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,000
Can you get out of the casket now?

1024
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,600
You know, it gets a little emotional and a little overboard, but, um, that sounds much

1025
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:42,080
more reasonable to just sort of make contact with, with the, the, the earthly representation

1026
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:43,520
of someone you cared about.

1027
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:44,520
Right.

1028
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:45,520
Right.

1029
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:46,520
Yeah.

1030
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:47,560
And I think, you know, I, I was there when my father passed.

1031
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:52,080
So obviously I touched him, um, at that moment.

1032
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,720
So yeah, I guess a couple.

1033
00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:55,320
I know, thanks for bringing up the question.

1034
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,920
I hadn't thought about it, Tom.

1035
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,400
That's a good question.

1036
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:08,680
Well, look, when you do, when you, when you agree to participate in easy uneasy, you know,

1037
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:09,960
it's a little bit of a grab bag.

1038
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,280
You don't really know what you're going to get.

1039
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,280
It's good stuff.

1040
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:20,200
Um, Will, do you, do you have anything that you want to promote or, or talk about?

1041
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:26,600
Hmm, I don't have much to promote right now, guys, um, working on some, trying to get some

1042
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:27,800
night times gigs.

1043
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,720
That's, that's the thing right now.

1044
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:37,000
Um, so, well, we can talk about, I mean, it's the night times dot bandcamp.com, uh, where

1045
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,720
you can listen to and purchase these songs that we've been listening to.

1046
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:44,560
Again, that's the night times.

1047
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:45,560
That's two T's.

1048
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,160
It's two T's.

1049
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:52,200
It's got bandcamp.com and it's got some of the songs that we featured here.

1050
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:58,160
And again, keep your eyes and ears out in the, in the Hudson Valley music scene for

1051
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:59,880
the night times playing out live.

1052
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,640
I know you guys play, uh, Quinn's pretty often, right?

1053
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,360
Is that like your jam?

1054
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,680
Yeah, we're, we're, um, kind of branching out.

1055
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,800
We're looking down, uh, a little down south.

1056
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,520
We play the city sometimes, um, trying to get up north of here.

1057
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,680
But yeah, beacons are home base.

1058
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,280
Seeing in beacon has changed a little bit.

1059
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,720
So we're trying to roll with the punches, um, here in town.

1060
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:29,040
Um, yeah, looking to do a, probably last, last spring we did our record release party.

1061
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,520
So we produced our own show.

1062
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:35,360
We rented out the old auditorium in the old high school here and did a big production

1063
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,360
there.

1064
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,440
Um, so I think we're looking to do that again this spring slash summer, um, at a different

1065
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:41,440
location.

1066
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:46,400
So stuff in the works, um, you know, I should, I should promote myself at least in some

1067
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,400
way.

1068
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:52,040
So if anybody out there is looking for an art director, creative director, willhoffbincreative.com,

1069
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,920
willhoffbincreative.com, you can find me there.

1070
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,880
Um, but yeah, um, that's great.

1071
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,320
No, listen, look, that counts too.

1072
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,600
I mean, we're, we're, you know, I'll piggyback off of will.

1073
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,280
I mean, hey, I need a job.

1074
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:09,400
Uh, so anybody wants the higher area.

1075
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:15,480
I also, yeah, in addition to need a job as well to.

1076
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:16,480
Yeah.

1077
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,200
This is the shameless, um, self promotion.

1078
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,360
No one's going to hire me.

1079
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,920
No, but we're, we're on LinkedIn and what is that?

1080
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,080
It's willhoffbincreative.com.

1081
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,080
You got it.

1082
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,080
That's right.

1083
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,080
All right.

1084
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:30,080
Great.

1085
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,080
Spelled just like it sounds.

1086
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,080
Yeah.

1087
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,080
Two Fs.

1088
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,080
H-O-F-F-M-A-N.

1089
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,080
Awesome.

1090
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,080
And we're, we're here on the sunlight, moonlight podcast.

1091
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,600
Ryan and Will, do you want to pick a song to play us out here?

1092
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,520
You want to do machines?

1093
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,520
Will?

1094
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:43,520
Yeah.

1095
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:44,520
Let's, let's give it a go.

1096
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,400
This is a fun one.

1097
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:53,040
This is one that I brought to, I had, I had demoed this years before the night times existed.

1098
00:58:53,040 --> 00:59:00,440
Um, I had been playing with a few people in Jersey city at that time and that thing didn't,

1099
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,040
that group didn't go anywhere.

1100
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,600
But I had demoed this out.

1101
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,600
It's a six, eight time.

1102
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,240
Um, and it's cool, cool guitar part.

1103
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,720
Um, it's a burner.

1104
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,920
And then it gets into a four, four, a fast four, four.

1105
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,920
Um, and then I think somebody else in the band came up with the idea of going to like

1106
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,160
a slower three, four outro.

1107
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,960
Um, but yeah.

1108
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,880
So this one came out of my brain for the most part and it was fun to like pull some old

1109
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,520
demo out and I played it for the guys and they were like, yeah, let's do it.

1110
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,880
So, uh, it made the album.

1111
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,400
That's always such a good feeling.

1112
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,200
Like, you know, you have this old demo that you always kind of liked, but never did anything

1113
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,360
with and then like you pull it out and other people like, Hey, this is good.

1114
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,320
And you're like, Oh, I'm not a moron.

1115
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:43,320
This is awesome.

1116
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,560
It's super fun to play this one too.

1117
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,320
It's like it's, it just makes, it makes me want to dance all over.

1118
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,320
This is great.

1119
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,120
Well, well, um, what a fantastic conversation we had.

1120
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:59,040
I really enjoyed catching up and hearing about, um, the, how you sort of balance your

1121
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,920
different creative endeavors personally and professionally.

1122
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,800
We're here on the sunlight, moonlight podcast, Ryan Havers.

1123
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:07,800
Yes.

1124
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,800
Any final thoughts for this particular episode?

1125
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,880
I want to say thanks.

1126
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:15,880
I want to say thanks guys.

1127
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,600
This was a pleasure and Dom, it was really great to speak with you again because it's

1128
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,920
been, I have no idea how many years.

1129
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,080
I know it's great to see you and have a conversation.

1130
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,240
So thank you guys.

1131
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,240
Of course.

1132
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,520
Next time, you know, maybe we'll have will on again.

1133
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,120
We got to talk about the pussycat lounge.

1134
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,120
We didn't.

1135
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,120
Oh, we do.

1136
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,520
We'll say, you know what, save that for, for the sequel, right?

1137
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,520
We'll always have the pussycat lounge.

1138
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,680
Yeah, we'll always have it.

1139
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:40,680
All right.

1140
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:41,680
Here we go with the night times.

1141
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:42,680
petitimes.bancamp.com.

1142
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,680
This is a song called machines.

1143
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,680
This is a song called Machines.

1144
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,680
This is a song called Machines.

1145
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:54,680
This is a song called Machines.