1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:25,000 The grass is always greener When your heart is black and blue 2 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:32,000 With a thousand fields you wander And search for something new 3 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:39,000 But there's a garden With thirsty little roses 4 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Waiting right outside 5 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:57,000 With the magic of the morning In the lost of the day 6 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:05,000 You're thinking of your rivals And what they may or may not say 7 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:21,000 And branches that bloom down in the storm Can be gathered core apart 8 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:36,000 And burn up all the fire While it ground thaws in the sun 9 00:01:36,000 --> 00:02:01,000 And we can pray for a late summer rain But it may not ever come 10 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Gaze across the valley While your heart ain't been home 11 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:19,000 I ask you what you're missing You tell me you don't know but the desire 12 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:48,000 It's on the other side Can be felt for miles away 13 00:02:48,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Ooh, ooh, ooh 14 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:20,000 We can burn up all the falls 15 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Where the ground falls in the sun 16 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:34,000 We can pray for a late summer rain 17 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:42,000 But it may not ever come 18 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:50,000 It may not ever come 19 00:03:50,000 --> 00:04:06,000 It may not ever, there's a garden 20 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:22,000 It's waiting right outside 21 00:04:36,000 --> 00:05:05,000 We're here on the program, I'm Dom, this is Ryan. We're here to talk about how all of our things, so Ryan is a creative person as am I, and we're sort of in and out of jobs, how working people express themselves creatively and how creative people make a living for them. 22 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:29,000 How people make a living for themselves, and that's where all this comes together and today we're very excited we have our first guest in Mary Doherty who you just heard with a very great great song for a sort of chilly Monday evening song called Luster. 23 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:42,000 I'm getting a sort of like a, you know, I'll save my thoughts because I want to talk to Mary about it. We've got Mary coming up in a little bit. Ryan, Monday night. How was the weekend. 24 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,000 The weekend, the weekend flew by. 25 00:05:46,000 --> 00:06:06,000 You know, you know, my head sort of I literally just ran here from parent teacher conferences, and they they have 10 minutes for each one. And it's just bam bam bam bam and it's like and you're running around the school and how many teachers, like 300, I don't know it. 26 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,000 350, maybe. 27 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:17,000 No, it seems like it seems like too many. Yeah, how many kids are in the class like 4000. 28 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,000 There's like 50,000 in a class. 29 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,000 It's a lot. 30 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:33,000 You know what the 10 minutes is tough and nobody is running on time. And so I would like to urge them to, you know, make it longer because you really start kind of getting into stuff. 31 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,000 And then you have to leave. 32 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,000 And then you got to leave. Yeah, if you want to make the next one. 33 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:43,000 It's like speed dating for parents and teachers, which is inherently awkward. 34 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Perfect. It is. But weekend I you know what, let's talk about your weekend because I can't even remember what I did this weekend. 35 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:57,000 I went while we had a very busy weekend that was very child centric similar to your Monday evening. 36 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Lots of kids in and out of the house. It went by in a flash. I feel like I just like all I did was like put straws in juice boxes. 37 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Yeah, for like hours on end. 38 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,000 Yeah. 39 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:31,000 But I had it nice. It was a beautiful day here in the Northeast on yesterday Sunday. And so I had a fire pit going all day, which is a I don't have a fireplace in the house yet. 40 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,000 It's one of my great loves and life is to like sit by the fire. 41 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:48,000 And so I do a fire pit outside and that I had that going most of the day and that was like really not only helpful just in a temperature aspect but also kind of warms the heart as well as the body. 42 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,000 It's that time of year. 43 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,000 It is. 44 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,000 That's our next thing we want to have a little fire pit. 45 00:07:54,000 --> 00:08:02,000 What are those called? It's like a clay pot with the chiminea chiminea. 46 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:10,000 That's what we want. I had a stainless steel chiminea at my last house. We called him Jebediah chiminea. 47 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,000 That was his name. 48 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,000 And I actually gifted it to my neighbor. 49 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:30,000 When we moved from the house and now he's got it in his yard. So, and I had actually bought, I had bought Jebediah used from a guy who had some sort of crazy rooftop in a condo in Harlem. 50 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:39,000 And I went and picked up a chiminea in Harlem, which is I'm sure that's something that just doesn't happen all the time. 51 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,000 That sounds awesome. 52 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,000 I love that's a song waiting to happen right there. 53 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Yeah, rooftop chiminea and Harlem. 54 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,000 Jebediah yeah chiminea and Harlem. 55 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,000 Absolutely. 56 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,000 So we're we are here on the program. 57 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:59,000 This is our first evening attempt at this. 58 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,000 So it feels a little different, even though it gets dark at like two o'clock now. 59 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,000 So it doesn't like day and night. 60 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Don't have any bearing. 61 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,000 We've been doing daytime shows. 62 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Yeah, that's a different feel. 63 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Yeah, and I want to talk about Mary Doherty's opening number with Mary. 64 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:34,000 We're very excited. So Mary is a singer songwriter and a performer who is also a working music therapist at a hospice and has been for the last seven years. 65 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:45,000 And so we're very interested to talk to Mary about the intersection of how she works creatively for a living. 66 00:09:45,000 --> 00:10:05,000 A music therapist to me is like such a noble, wonderful profession to be able to support yourself by being by bringing joy to other to other people and teaching about music and, and, 67 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:16,000 and those wonderful sounds, especially in hospice, which, you know, I would say clearly maybe some folks don't have a lot to look forward to. Right. 68 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:23,000 That's not a not a very tense, tends to not be a terribly joyful environment, I would assume. 69 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,000 I can't imagine. Yeah. 70 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:33,000 But I will say, I mean, Mary's got such an amazing voice. 71 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:48,000 You know, when I listen when I, you know, and I've heard I've heard this song, by the way, before. And when I when I hear it, I feel very just makes me feel very warm, you know, so I'm sure she is doing a great service there. 72 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,000 I get a little bit of like an Amy Mann vibe. 73 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Yeah. 74 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:59,000 And that's, that's very special to I think Amy Mann is a treasure. 75 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Yeah. 76 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,000 I'm looking forward to talking to Mary. 77 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:16,000 We, I do want to hear one other though we have we have another song from Mary, I think Ryan will take a break from people listening to us droning on. 78 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,000 I want to listen to shadows in the room. 79 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Sounds good by Mary Doherty and we're going to we're going to stick with you here on video those listening to the dulcet tones. 80 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:36,000 We will now be hearing Mary Doherty with shadows in the room. 81 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:55,000 I don't think I need to clear the air. 82 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:04,000 I don't think I need to clear my mind. 83 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:13,000 I'll be here while you way out there. 84 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:41,000 I guess the dust will settle in due time. 85 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Do you think of me along the do's? 86 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:59,000 Do you feel my love under the sand? 87 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:08,000 I wonder if I mean the world to you. 88 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:17,000 The wonders of the world are in your hands. 89 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:25,000 I light a candle for you. 90 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:33,000 And wait with the shadows in the room. 91 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:46,000 And sure as my eyes are blue, I'll always be a part of you. 92 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:21,000 I light a candle for you. 93 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:29,000 And wait with the shadows in the room. 94 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:40,000 And sure as my eyes can see, you'll always be a part of me. 95 00:14:40,000 --> 00:15:09,000 You'll always be a part of me. 96 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:26,000 You'll always be a part of me. 97 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,000 Alright. 98 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,000 How great is that? 99 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Mary, welcome. 100 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Hey Mary, can you hear us? 101 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,000 Yes. 102 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,000 Is this thing on? 103 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,000 It is on. 104 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,000 What a great tune. 105 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Such a fantastic image. 106 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000 I can't hear you down. 107 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Oh. 108 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Hmm. 109 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,000 It looks like you're muted. 110 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Figure this out. 111 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,000 There we go. 112 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 How's that? 113 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Can you hear me now? 114 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000 Yeah. 115 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,000 Great stuff. 116 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,000 I love, and I hate to keep comparing things, 117 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:26,000 but I like to sort of like say what I hear in music. 118 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,000 It brings me like a little bit like Flea Foxes, 119 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,000 sort of like the harmonies coming in 120 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,000 and the flute is sort of like a little medieval, 121 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,000 right? 122 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,000 You know, there's... 123 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,000 Yeah, I dusted off the flute for that one. 124 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,000 So that was you playing the flute? 125 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,000 Yeah, that was my first love was the flute, 126 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,000 and I played that until like fifth grade. 127 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,000 Maybe it was like sixth or seventh 128 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,000 when I got too cool for the flute. 129 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:03,000 And then I was like, no, I want guitar lessons, 130 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,000 like now. 131 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,000 And yeah, it's crazy how that stuff stays in your muscle memory, 132 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,000 you know? 133 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000 I just had these little lines, 134 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,000 and I managed to squeak them out. 135 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,000 And is that you playing guitar on the tracks as well? 136 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Yeah. 137 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,000 Great. 138 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,000 It's great, great tones and great performance. 139 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,000 We're here with Mary Doherty on the program. 140 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,000 I'm Dom Dorman, we're here with Ryan Havers. 141 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:36,000 Ryan, Mary is your get as it were. 142 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,000 So I think I have so many questions, 143 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:44,000 but I want to make sure that I don't dominate the conversation. 144 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:49,000 So I don't know, I'm going to kick it over to Ryan to kick us off, 145 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,000 but welcome, Mary. 146 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,000 All right. 147 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,000 Thanks. 148 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Mary. 149 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Yeah, well, you know, 150 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,000 we, Dom, we brought up what you do for a living music therapy, 151 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,000 music therapist. 152 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:09,000 And I know a little bit from what we've talked about in the past, 153 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:14,000 but can you just sort of give us like a rundown on, 154 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,000 on what your day to day is? 155 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 Cause it's just so fascinating. 156 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Sure. 157 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Well, before we, before I go into that, 158 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:27,000 I just want to give a little shout out to Jebediah. 159 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:32,000 I was really cracking up about that. 160 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,000 He's still going strong. 161 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,000 He's still warming, 162 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,000 warming hearts and bodies across town. 163 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,000 God bless. 164 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Gotta love him. 165 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,000 That was such a charming little story. 166 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,000 Yeah. 167 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,000 So music therapy and hospice. 168 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,000 I mean, it's a, it's a very kind of specific, 169 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,000 specific, specific, specific, specific, 170 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,000 specific, specific, specific, specific, 171 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,000 specific, specific, specific, specific, 172 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,000 specific, specific, specific. 173 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,000 Kind of specific niche. 174 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,000 Field, you know, music therapy is a established healthcare 175 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,000 field. 176 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,000 It's been around since like, you know, around World War two. 177 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,000 And people, 178 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,000 music therapists work in a lot of different settings, 179 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,000 you know, hospitals, psych hospitals, 180 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,720 special ed schools. 181 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,300 I mean, they have private practices. 182 00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:31,780 I mean, it's, you know, you name it. 183 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,800 But I was always interested in working in hospice. 184 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:44,000 When I was 14, my paternal grandmother got very sick 185 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,120 with cancer. 186 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,080 I was, you know, super close to her. 187 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,120 When you think of grandma, you think of like little 188 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:56,640 white haired lady with a cane. 189 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,360 But she was only like 61, 62. 190 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:05,920 And it was so devastating. 191 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,760 And she, it was very aggressive. 192 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,200 And I remember, it was like, just when I started getting 193 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,360 good at playing the guitar. 194 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:17,740 And I remember playing for her at the bedside. 195 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,760 And what I now realize is that she was in the transitional 196 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,280 stage. 197 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,760 So, you know, she was pretty minimally responsive. 198 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,960 I was like, wow, grandma's like, 199 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,920 she's like just sleeping a lot. 200 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,520 Like, I don't even know she's not really responding, 201 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,000 but like, I knew that it was meaningful. 202 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:44,000 So, yeah, I learned about music therapy later on 203 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:52,680 and got my hooks in and then the stars aligned 204 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,480 and I got a hospice job, which is where I always wanted 205 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:58,320 to work. 206 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,720 So that's not really what you asked. 207 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,360 My background, I mean, 208 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:11,560 yeah, I mean, is it my day to day, Rai? 209 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,520 Well, yeah, I mean, first of all, 210 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,680 it sounds like you were primed for this. 211 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,960 I mean, based on your experience with your grandmother, 212 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,880 you know, like those two things just sort of met 213 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,080 very naturally. 214 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,120 But yeah, I was sort of, I'm just sort of curious 215 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:33,100 about what, you know, what your typical day is. 216 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,560 Yeah, I mean, that's the one thing it's like, 217 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,560 every day is different, which is one thing I really love. 218 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,480 I mean, I have a caseload, you know, it's ever changing 219 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,800 because, you know, people die and then people come on 220 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,840 the program and it's wild. 221 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,840 Like, yes, I mean, I get up, I have my scheduled visits 222 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,840 every day is different, like I said. 223 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,520 So it's like, is it some people that's so funny 224 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,520 because it's very, it's such an intimate thing, right? 225 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,960 It's like you learn about people's personalities 226 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,560 and the family dynamics and the caregivers. 227 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,280 And so some people like, oh, I need to, you know, 228 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,160 we need to have two 30 every Tuesday. 229 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,640 That's gonna be, you know, very scheduled 230 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,080 and then other people are like, 231 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,920 can you just call me the morning of? 232 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,120 Cause I don't know how I'm gonna be feeling. 233 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:44,680 I don't know, you know, so yeah, it's, 234 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:46,880 and we drive a lot. 235 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,520 So I'm in my car, I go to houses. 236 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,400 Another element that's like so intimate, 237 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,400 you're like going into people's homes. 238 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,720 You're essentially, you're playing music for them though. 239 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,720 Yes, yeah, I play guitar and sing and play recorded music 240 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,200 when necessary, you know, if I feel like it's important. 241 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,960 And yeah, houses, nursing homes and hospitals. 242 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,280 Yeah. 243 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,560 And we see people of all different walks of life. 244 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,560 Yeah, it must be such a, I mean, it's so intimate, you know? 245 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,800 Yeah. 246 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:38,320 Do you find that the experience of being around 247 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,040 so much of the sort of final stages of life 248 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,320 is that do you think because of your experience 249 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,240 with your grandmother, is it somehow cathartic for you 250 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,000 and helpful for you or do you struggle sometimes 251 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,720 with the sort of darkness of everything that you're doing? 252 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,800 Because you're, I mean, it's like, 253 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,720 you're not doing music therapy and like, 254 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,040 you know, newborn wards. 255 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,040 Like you're doing, these are all people 256 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,760 at the end of their life experience. 257 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,840 And how does that impact you both as, 258 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,880 just as a person, first of all, 259 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,440 but then as an artist? 260 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,160 Gosh, there's so many layers. 261 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,280 It's like, I mean, it really, it really depends. 262 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:36,840 It really depends. 263 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,920 I mean, I will say there is, 264 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,200 people still need to feel joy. 265 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,480 There's so much joy to be had. 266 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,480 And people are looking to find meaning in their lives. 267 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:59,280 And, you know, music is such an amazing way to do that. 268 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,560 But then sometimes you go in and they're like, 269 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,960 just play for me because I'm feeling nauseous 270 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,520 and I need a distraction. 271 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,800 Or I'd, you know, I like to think of it more 272 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,800 as like refocusing rather than like, 273 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,720 you know, this sort of rigid, 274 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,320 just using music as this like tool. 275 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,520 But, yeah. 276 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,360 It's amazing. 277 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:29,200 I'm sorry, Mary. 278 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,240 I was just gonna say, I mean, you're using music. 279 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,520 I mean, we all know the effect that music has on a person, 280 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,520 but you're using it in a like a clinical or a medical, 281 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,040 not clinical, not clinical. 282 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,880 I don't wanna say that, but like you're using it. 283 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:45,880 It is. 284 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,320 Yeah, okay. 285 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,520 Yeah, yeah. 286 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:49,400 That's what, I mean, yeah. 287 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,280 It's with a clinical lens when you're, 288 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,440 when there's a, you know, you have your clinical hat on 289 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,040 and you're looking for the, where the, 290 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,840 where the clinical need is, you know, whether it's 291 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,080 pain management or symptom management 292 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:11,080 or, you know, more of psychosocial stuff. 293 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,080 Like, you know, this person is so isolated 294 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,920 and, you know, they're really depressed. 295 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,480 I mean, yeah, like sometimes it is very dark, 296 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,480 but sometimes it's so joyful. 297 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,080 So it's like, it can be so uplifting. 298 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:40,080 Yeah, I'm just, I'm trying to, 299 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,440 I mean, dementia, I think in the last 10 years or so, 300 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,680 there's been a lot of buzz. 301 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,880 It was like, you know, music and dementia. 302 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,720 And it's, you know, it's very true. 303 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,560 It's like, there's nothing like, you know, you go in 304 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,240 and there's a person with like mild, moderate dementia. 305 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,000 They're starting to lose, you know, language, 306 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,640 word retrieval is getting really hard. 307 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,040 You know, connecting with people is getting really hard. 308 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,640 And you go in and you, and you play a song 309 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,000 that they know all the words to. 310 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,600 And the way you guys know how it is, 311 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,720 like you, a song from your youth or whatever, 312 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,960 and the words just kind of like tumble out of your mouth. 313 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,440 And there's this, this look of like surprise 314 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,440 and bewilderment and it's, it can be like very empowering 315 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,360 when you feel like all you're doing is losing things. 316 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,040 You know, it's like, oh, I knew all the words to that. 317 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,240 What? 318 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,360 No, it's a, it's a crazy connection point. 319 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,680 And it's also, it's, I mean, it's visceral. 320 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,080 It's, you know, it's like a sense of smell 321 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,560 or a taste of something, you know, from your past 322 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,120 that can snap you back into some sort of, you know, 323 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:06,120 lucidity or consciousness that may not otherwise be attainable. 324 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,560 I think that's fascinating. 325 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,000 I mean, and I think also, you know, 326 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,240 knowing that you write and perform 327 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,160 and record original music, 328 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,920 how do you feel that your profession, you know, 329 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,920 you're in a very small category of musicians 330 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,720 who are sort of earning a living by being a musician, right? 331 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,040 So you're a therapist and I want to acknowledge that, 332 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,560 but it's a specific type of therapy 333 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,960 that requires musical talent. 334 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,280 I mean, I'm sure somewhere, like, you know, 335 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,080 somewhere is the world's worst music therapist 336 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,840 who's like probably really good at therapy, 337 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,520 but it's just not a very good, you know, 338 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,320 writer or player or whatever it is. 339 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,520 But knowing that you have a level of talent, 340 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,680 how, is there a push and pull in your every day? 341 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,960 You know, Ryan referenced earlier on the day to day, 342 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,680 is there a push and pull of like, gosh, I really, 343 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,200 like I wish I didn't, it seems like you really love your work. 344 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,120 So I don't want to sort of telegraph your answer, 345 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,920 but is there a push and pull of like, 346 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,880 would you rather be doing, you know, 347 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,360 would you rather be touring regionally 348 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,120 and making the same amount of money? 349 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,680 Or is it that your, the music therapy is, you know, 350 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,320 a love of yours and your writing and performing 351 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,640 is something you do for yourself or on the side? 352 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,560 Or how would you describe that? 353 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,000 Yeah, yeah. 354 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:49,000 I mean, I definitely feel like hospice is, 355 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,360 I mean, it's my dream job. 356 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:57,200 I feel like I have said before in the past, 357 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,800 like I feel like I would not be good at anything else, 358 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,920 which I know is not, is not true. 359 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,120 I mean, can we curse on this? 360 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,400 Are we keeping it? 361 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,360 Okay, I mean, I would be the world's shittiest waitress. 362 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,440 I would never be an accountant. 363 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,560 I would, I mean, you know, nurse, 364 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:22,560 I would just be queasy and vomiting all the time. 365 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,120 It, no. 366 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,280 Ryan and I have been pretty shitty at jobs too. 367 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,120 So it happens. 368 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:30,960 Oh yeah. 369 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:31,800 It happens. 370 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,960 Yeah, I'm just, I just feel very lucky. 371 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,800 I do, I feel very lucky. 372 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,720 I've always, and I don't mean this in a weird or morbid way, 373 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:47,720 but I've always been like kind of not fascinated by death, 374 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,920 but like, I don't know a weird connection to it. 375 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,280 Like, I don't know. 376 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,920 When I was little, my mom said, 377 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,920 I was like, I would ask her questions all the time 378 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,320 about what, like what it means to die. 379 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,800 And it's, I was just like, 380 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,880 someone, someone make it make sense. 381 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,640 I really think that, you know, 382 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,640 if you think about everybody who's died ever, 383 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,600 yeah, which is most people, 384 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,000 it's more people that we can possibly fathom. 385 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,560 There had like, if there was a way for people who have died 386 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,560 to connect meaningfully with people who are alive, 387 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,560 I think it would be a lot more common. 388 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,560 Like everybody would be doing it 389 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,560 because there's so many dead people. 390 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,560 So I do think there's, I feel like there is a, 391 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,560 there's a pretty, there's a pretty hard wall 392 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,560 between the dead and the living, just my personal thought. 393 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,560 And Ryan and I were talking actually in our last program, 394 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,560 by the way, as a reminder, we're here talking 395 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,560 with Mary Doherty, who is a singer, songwriter 396 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,560 and performer and a music therapist here on our program 397 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,560 where we talk about people like Mary 398 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,560 and we talk with people like Mary. 399 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,560 And we were talking, we got into talking about death 400 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,560 and, and you know, fearing death, not fearing death 401 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,560 and the unknown and I think it's the great unknown. 402 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,560 That, that's what fascinates me about death is that 403 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,560 it's just like nobody, there's no book, you know, 404 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,560 like in Beetlejuice, like they have like the handbook 405 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,560 for the recently deceased. 406 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,560 Like there's no, that's never leaked out, you know? 407 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,560 That's like, we don't get a look at that. 408 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,560 And I think it's, it's a special person who can be around 409 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,560 that consistently and, you know, see, also, you know, 410 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,560 sort of the transference of being in a therapeutic 411 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,560 relationship with somebody. 412 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:02,560 Yeah. 413 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,560 And getting into your inner relationship with them, right? 414 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,560 I mean, I see a therapist and there, there have been times 415 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,560 where I have been, you know, sort of curt with him 416 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,560 or mistreated him in some way. 417 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,560 And it's, it's a reminder that like, listen, we're in like, 418 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,560 this is like a thing. 419 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,560 This is a bonafide relationship. 420 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,560 And so do you, do you find with the ideas of transference 421 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,560 and being in a relationship of some of these patients 422 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,560 for what is probably a shorter amount of time? 423 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,560 I mean, I've been seeing my therapist way too long. 424 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,560 I don't even want to talk about how long it's been 425 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,560 because it's sort of embarrassing, but like, I'm on my third. 426 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,560 I, well, I don't know what's better, like to keep sort of 427 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,560 switching or like to just be like every, you know, 428 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,560 but do you, is there a difficulty there? 429 00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,560 With churn as far as like people dying? 430 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,560 Yeah, yes. 431 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,560 For me, I mean, I, yeah, sometimes it, it, it gets just really heavy. 432 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:16,560 And it feels like, feels strange to be, you know, 433 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,560 creating this relationship with someone and almost, you know, 434 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,560 I don't want to say friendship because it's not, but, but it, 435 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:31,560 you know, you, when you're with someone on, on this journey, 436 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,560 it feels as very profound at times. 437 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,560 And so it's like you're developing this relationship 438 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,560 with someone just to say goodbye to them forever. 439 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:50,560 And yeah, I like, there was a period over, 440 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,560 over the summer, I think. 441 00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:03,560 So I usually like being present during the moment of death happens, 442 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,560 you know, I've been doing this seven years and, and I would say 443 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,560 it would, it would happen like, you know, a few times a year, 444 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,560 maybe two or three times a year and was always, you know, 445 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:22,560 profoundly heartbreaking, beautiful, mind blowing, you know, 446 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,560 so many emotions. 447 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:31,560 And then there was a period of, I think two weeks where I was 448 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:37,560 present and witnessed four patient deaths when I was playing. 449 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,560 And, and that's like while you were playing. 450 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,560 Yeah. 451 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,560 Yeah. 452 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,560 Yeah. 453 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,560 Jesus. 454 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,560 Yeah. 455 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,560 And it was, but I will, 456 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,560 I'm sorry, I don't mean to, I'm not laughing. 457 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:52,560 It's just like so. 458 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,560 It's heavy to me. 459 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,560 It's, it's insane. 460 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,560 Yeah. 461 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,560 I mean, and I was just like, you know, I was like, oh my God, 462 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,560 is it, it's happening again? 463 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,560 Like this, like when I play my guitar, people die. 464 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,560 Yeah. 465 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,560 It felt like I was like, whoa, is there something in my energy 466 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,560 field that's like causing them to, to shift into the, the next, 467 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,560 but they're waiting, right? 468 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,560 They're waiting, maybe they're waiting to hear those sounds and 469 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,560 that's like, that's their walk-on. 470 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,560 Maybe they feel like they can let go. 471 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,560 And that's the thing is like, you know, like I said, 472 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,560 I was always trying to like, like make it make sense. 473 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,560 Well, it doesn't make sense. 474 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,560 And they were, and you know, I'd word. 475 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,560 Well, we'll never know, but I would, you know, I was, um, 476 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,560 it was an honor that they, 477 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,560 and that's another thing that we always, 478 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,560 that swims around in my head is like, do people, 479 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:57,560 are they able to choose the exact moment that they pass on? 480 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:04,560 So, you know, is there, is there any like life force and willpower 481 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,560 behind that? 482 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,560 So it's like, you know, if they did choose to, you know, 483 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:17,560 peace out in that moment, it was like such an honor for me to do 484 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,560 that. 485 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,560 That's no easy. 486 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:20,560 Yeah. 487 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,560 And you think about like people who like, 488 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,560 who spouse dies and then they die like a week later. 489 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:26,560 Yeah. 490 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,560 You know, it's just sort of like, you're like, okay, like, um, 491 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,560 I don't need to be here anymore. 492 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,560 I was going to say the honorable part. 493 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,560 That's what I was, I was, I wanted to say earlier, 494 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,560 but I couldn't think of the word. 495 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:44,560 Um, like I remember when, so the closest sort of person to me in 496 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,560 my life that passed away was my, my father and he was in hospice 497 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,560 and he, you know, his family was around him and I was looking at 498 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,560 him when literally his, his chest stopped, you know, he, 499 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,560 his heart stopped, you know, 500 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,560 and you know, it's all the feels right. 501 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:10,560 Um, but the one thing that I didn't realize until it happened was 502 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,560 because it's such an intimate experience. 503 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,560 It's what an honor it is to be a part of that experience. 504 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,560 And it's, it's seen, it sound almost sounds weird to say that, 505 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,560 but it was just something that I had never thought of it that way 506 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,560 before. 507 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,560 No, I mean, I don't think it's weird. 508 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,560 I mean, every, every hospice person would say that it's, 509 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:41,560 it's just an honor to, you know, help people in that, 510 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,560 in that chapter. 511 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,560 I mean, it's, it's wild. 512 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,560 You do good work, Mary. 513 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:50,560 Oh, well, thanks. 514 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:57,560 I mean, I, I'm, I'm lucky, you know, um, but I, like, I would 515 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,560 say that the, yeah, I was tanked. 516 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,560 I was tanked after that, like two week period. 517 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,560 Pull out of death for anybody. 518 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,560 Oh man. 519 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:14,560 And, and, you know, a couple families, you know, that when, 520 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,560 when they realized that it was, there was a lot, you know, a 521 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,560 lot of emotion. 522 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,560 So it's like holding the space. 523 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:29,560 For them and, um, yeah, it was, it was wild, but, um, it's very, 524 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,560 it's, it's very rewarding. 525 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,560 It's, um, at times like just surreal. 526 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,560 Um, and then at times, you know, some days it's like, wow, you 527 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,560 know, I'll say that, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm 528 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:52,560 just playing, I'm helping people relax today and everyone's, 529 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,560 it must be a sleepy day. 530 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,560 Um, for some days. 531 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,560 I love sleeping. 532 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,560 Oh my God. 533 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,560 It's, it is like death. 534 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,560 It's, uh, there's a lot of, there's a lot of, there's a lot of 535 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:04,560 things that you can do. 536 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,560 You know, you can do it. 537 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,560 You can do it. 538 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,560 You can do it. 539 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,560 You can do it. 540 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,560 You can do it. 541 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:10,560 You can do it. 542 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,560 You can do it. 543 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,560 You can do it. 544 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,560 You can do it. 545 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,560 You can do it. 546 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,560 Um, there's a, there's a line in moonstruck, um, Vincent 547 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,560 gardenia, he says, I, I, um, I don't want to sleep. 548 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:29,560 It's too much like death, um, but I, I want to, I want to take a 549 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,560 break here because I think we've got a good segue. 550 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,560 Um, Mary Doherty is here with a, with Ryan and I on the program 551 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,560 where we talk about, um, creative people working and working 552 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:48,560 working people, being creative. And we're going to take a little bit of a break so we 553 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:54,720 can have a breather here. But here's a, this is, this makes me really happy. So one of 554 00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:00,780 my favorite bands is from Canada. They're called the New Pornographers. And they recently 555 00:41:00,780 --> 00:41:07,960 did a sort of secondary version of one of their newer songs called Firework in the Falling 556 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:16,560 Snow. And they have Amy Mann as a guest performer on the song. And I thought, because one of 557 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:25,520 my first ideas in listening to Mary Doherty was, was Amy Mann, I thought this would be 558 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:31,800 a nice break for us to take just for a moment. And we're going to get a drink of water and 559 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,000 we're going to come back with Mary Doherty. We're going to talk about Mary's music a little 560 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:42,000 bit. So stick around. 561 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:54,520 Wonderful tip. The artists you love when they sort of seem like they're living in parallel 562 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,280 lives, but then they get together and do something and you feel like it's kind of like just for 563 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:05,280 you where it's like, Hey, if Amy Mann sang with new photographers, like that would make 564 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,560 you really happy. It's like the thing you didn't know you wanted until you saw it. 565 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,960 Like when Amy Mann sang with Rush. 566 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,960 Did that really happen? 567 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:17,960 Did it really? 568 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,960 Yeah. 569 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,960 That's fascinating. Wow. 570 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:20,960 No, not. 571 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,960 I had no idea. 572 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:22,960 Maybe I'm off with this one. 573 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,960 I don't know. 574 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:36,320 Where did that? How did that happen? That was like late 80s, early 90s, a song called 575 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,320 Time Stand Still. 576 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,320 Really? 577 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,320 Yeah. 578 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,320 I had no idea. That's fascinating. 579 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,320 Yeah. 580 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,320 Wow. 581 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,600 They're all Canadians. So I think that's how that happened. 582 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,320 That sounded very, very dismissive and marginalizing. 583 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,320 No, I'm not. 584 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,920 They're all the same label or they're all Canadian. They all know each other. 585 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,480 I don't mean that. 586 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:04,480 I know. No, there's a handful of fantastic Canadian musicians and I'm sure they all know 587 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,480 each other. 588 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:06,480 I love that. 589 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,480 And Amy Mann. 590 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,160 We're here with Mary Doherty on the program. It's Dom and Ryan. 591 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:22,160 And we're talking, we're talking about death and the new pornographers and Amy Mann and 592 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,160 Mary. 593 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,160 So let's talk about your music. We've talked about your career a little bit. Let's talk 594 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:33,920 about your music. Is something, is this a crossover? Like, do you, are there songs that 595 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:39,600 you write because of your experiences you've had professionally? And are there songs that 596 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:49,680 maybe you perform professionally that you've written outside of your professional experience? 597 00:43:49,680 --> 00:44:00,360 It's funny you ask that. Like, after my, you know, my little, where I felt like the angel 598 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:07,840 of death, you know, that, that two week period, you know, I shared it with, with a friend 599 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:14,480 who's an artist. And, and he was like, why don't you like write a song about it? 600 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:27,960 And I'm like, yeah, you're right. I really should. So it's, it's kind of funny. Yeah, 601 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:34,080 I haven't like written any songs specifically about, about my work. I have one song that's 602 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:44,920 sort of in the early stages that's, I mean, I contemplate death all the time. So it's, 603 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:57,440 you know, I have a song about, maybe it's kind of like reincarnation is, you know, it's, 604 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:08,160 it's you know, kind of like possible experiences that you made that you and where people uh 605 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:15,200 could look at it just in introduction because it gives you a period feel. 606 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,440 willingness to to be open to it, you know, um, 607 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,400 Ryan, do you believe in reincarnation? 608 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,200 Well, um, I, in a way, yes. 609 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:36,400 I believe that, um, I believe that it was almost science or 610 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:42,040 nature based, you know, like our, our body goes back into the 611 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:47,080 earth or whatever gets, you know, and then it gets burned up, 612 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:52,480 burned up, you know, um, you know, I kind of think of like 613 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:58,080 the spirit leaving the body as like any sort of electrical 614 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,240 pulse in your body or, you know, just dissipating into the, 615 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:07,320 into the, you know, the great whatever, you know, and you 616 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,080 become sort of like part of the fabric of the universe again, 617 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,840 you know, I don't know. 618 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,320 Is there like a, uh, an endpoint of personification after 619 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,240 that, or is it just you become part of like the ether? 620 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,320 I think, I think of it more like you become part of the 621 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:32,400 ether, you know, um, do you, um, Mary, do you think that in 622 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,960 all of your experience in dealing with folks, do people 623 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:43,680 become like toward the end, do people become sort of like more 624 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,040 religious? 625 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,600 I mean, like my, my answer to, to so many things is it 626 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,480 depends. 627 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,880 It depends. 628 00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:58,480 Um, some people do. 629 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,680 Some people are scared shitless. 630 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:02,160 Yeah. 631 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,560 Some people are totally at peace. 632 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,480 Those, well, those are the people who are scared of the 633 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,240 people who did some fucking shit during their lives and 634 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:10,720 they're like, uh-huh. 635 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,320 It's now the end of the year. 636 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:19,320 Maybe, maybe some or, or they're like very Catholic. 637 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,480 I know you can say that I was raised Catholic or as George 638 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,800 Carlin said, I was raised Catholic until I reached the 639 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,640 age of reason. 640 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,120 Um, but there's a lot of fire and brimstone. 641 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,120 It's scary. 642 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:34,680 Yeah. 643 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:35,680 Yeah. 644 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:42,360 But, you know, then there's some people, they, they just, they 645 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:50,760 love that blessed mother and, you know, they feel safe and 646 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,920 held and, um, I guess, in that state, whatever works, right? 647 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,760 It's like, yeah, yeah. 648 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,560 And I'm sorry, we went, we went back down like the death. 649 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,560 Oh, the death. 650 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,880 But hey, I do want to talk about your music. 651 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,960 And also I know we're, we're sort of nearing the end of our 652 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,280 time here, but, uh, I definitely, Ryan, I definitely want to 653 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,280 have Mary back because we need to hear more of her music. 654 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:19,760 Yeah. 655 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,560 But I do like, do you have, so what, what's your, what's your 656 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,400 performing experience like? 657 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,880 Are you, are you out and about? 658 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,560 Are you like, are you playing out performing? 659 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,240 No, not much recently. 660 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,480 Um, you know, it's definitely COVID. 661 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,840 I know it's like the thing for a lot of people. 662 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:50,480 I, you know, I was, um, I had like, uh, a little band going, 663 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,440 you know, we were looking to, to start getting out and playing. 664 00:48:53,440 --> 00:49:00,280 And, um, I think our last rehearsal was, was February of 2020. 665 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,680 And, um, everybody got sick and scared. 666 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,680 Everything dissolved. 667 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:05,200 Yeah. 668 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,360 Um, so yeah. 669 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,640 And for a while I was, you know, I love singing backup. 670 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,720 It's so much fun. 671 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,040 I love singing harmony. 672 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,920 It's like one of my favorite things to do. 673 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,680 I was, um, singing backup in my friend's band and actually like 674 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,360 playing a little flute here and there. 675 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:29,720 Um, but, um, sometimes the side man, like the side man experience. 676 00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:32,000 Sorry for the man side person. 677 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,040 That's not a word. 678 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,480 Side, side lady. 679 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:35,320 No, I get it. 680 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:41,760 The, the side musician thing is like, it's so, um, fulfilling and relieving. 681 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:47,600 Ryan, you know, as running, you've run your own band and you've also 682 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,800 been part of something that you're not in charge of. 683 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,040 That's how I would sort of differentiate the side thing. 684 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,560 And like there's something that can be so gratifying of like, 685 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,480 wait, I could, I could just show up and like play my parts and I don't 686 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,760 have to like, I don't have to deal with the door. 687 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,640 I don't have to deal with the posters. 688 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:12,600 I don't have to deal with like all that stuff. 689 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:17,440 I mean, it's very, I would love to be, if I could make a living being a 690 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,480 side man, like tell me what to play and I'll play it. 691 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,280 That's, that's good to me. 692 00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:25,240 Um, yeah. 693 00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:27,520 Would that be enough for you, Ryan? 694 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,400 Um, no, I don't think so. 695 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:35,800 I have to, I have to create, you know, I have to do something, but that's 696 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,440 actually what I wanted to ask Mary. 697 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:44,520 Um, so, you know, you're, you're playing music at work. 698 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,600 Do you have, how do you transition? 699 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,320 Like, do you have a lot in the reserves? 700 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,600 Is there enough in the tank after work? 701 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,600 It depends. 702 00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:03,600 Um, I mean, I am very much like, I don't know. 703 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:09,240 I, my creativity comes in spurts and I have to just accept that. 704 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:18,680 Um, and so like, like right now, um, I'm having a lot of creative, 705 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:26,360 flow, um, so it's not, it hasn't been hard to turn it. 706 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,440 Like I said, we spend a lot of time in the car. 707 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,280 So what I love to do is, you know, I go in and do my visit. 708 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:43,600 And then I, when driving around, I'll, you know, I'll try and use my 709 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:49,520 time to think of new lines for a song or new melodies or if, you know, 710 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:54,520 I'm working on something, um, you know, I think of a little line. 711 00:51:54,520 --> 00:52:00,080 I'll do the little audio recordings, things I don't forget it. 712 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,760 And then, um, and then, yeah, this is like this exciting thing. 713 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:09,080 When I get home, I can, I can do my own thing. 714 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:14,440 Like this exciting thing when I get home, I can, I can release it. 715 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,760 Um, who's said we spend a lot of time in the car. 716 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,520 Oh, just hospice music therapists. 717 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,480 You all travel together. 718 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:30,880 I mean, no, just like, oh, like, we as, as, as a people. 719 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:32,040 Yes. 720 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:32,680 Collectively. 721 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:33,080 I'm sorry. 722 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,840 I was just picturing you guys like all piling in a mini van. 723 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,240 Like, and just driving around. 724 00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:41,480 That's what I was like a shuttle music shuttle service. 725 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:42,800 Right, right. 726 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,880 I, I, I relate to that. 727 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:50,360 It's, it's one of the things that I, um, I miss, you know, most of the lyrics 728 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,280 that I've written in my life, I've written in the car because I would have 729 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,000 demos of music that I would put on, just put it on repeat. 730 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:00,600 And there's a safety. 731 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,840 The car is so safe because nobody can hear you ever. 732 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:05,400 Yeah. 733 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:06,040 Yeah. 734 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,160 There's no chance of anybody hearing what you're doing ever. 735 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:15,240 And maybe it's like a mental thing I need to get over as a performer and as a 736 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:22,280 writer to say, you know, if I'm in my home studio here, like, you know, if, 737 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:28,560 like, if somebody else hears me or a pedestrian outside hears me with the 738 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,080 windows open, then that's not, there's nothing wrong with that. 739 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,520 But there's always something like a little something where it's like, well, 740 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,520 it's not terribly private. 741 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,080 Like I've done my best work when I know that like everything's sealed up and 742 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,200 there's no chance of anybody. 743 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,760 You're not vulnerable. 744 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:46,560 I don't have that. 745 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,160 I have, there's a, there's the street is right there. 746 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:55,760 And I have made some of the craziest, like, I think maybe if somebody was walking 747 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,280 by, they'd think that like someone's being murdered. 748 00:53:59,560 --> 00:53:59,720 Yeah. 749 00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:00,520 You have that. 750 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,920 That's definitely a vibe. 751 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:03,640 Yeah. 752 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:04,640 Yeah. 753 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:05,200 I love that. 754 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,200 I'll just go for it. 755 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,200 I love that for you. 756 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,800 Let me, let me ask this for both of you actually, we'll go Mary and then down. 757 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,520 And I, I mean, I think you sort of answered it already, Mary, but love that for you. 758 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:20,800 Let's go on you. 759 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:21,800 I do. 760 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,040 And you know what? 761 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,760 It's inspiring to be honest. 762 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,320 It's like, you're right. 763 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:26,960 Fuck it. 764 00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:29,960 I go, where do I go home? 765 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:31,000 Yeah. 766 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,000 Yeah. 767 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:33,800 So. 768 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,680 Two trains of thought, right? 769 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,440 You, you, you write when it's hidden or daily practice, whether it's 770 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:42,040 hitting or not. 771 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,640 Oh, God. 772 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:59,280 Um, I, in the past, it's only when it's hidden, but I am starting to get into the 773 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:04,320 ladder, I want to make it a daily thing. 774 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:11,680 Um, you know, it's like, just do it, just do it, get it, get out. 775 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:18,200 So, you know, they're, it's like a, you know, the faucet, you got to keep it, 776 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,680 keep it on just a little bit. 777 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,440 Don't turn it all the way off. 778 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,320 Speaking of faucet, is that, is that, is that you, Mary? 779 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,880 Do you have, do you have a leaky faucet in the background? 780 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:33,760 Oh, you know what it is? 781 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:34,720 It's my cat. 782 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,640 Um, it's my cat water fountain thing. 783 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,520 Oh, is that annoying? 784 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:40,000 Sorry. 785 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:40,960 No, no, I just heard it. 786 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,800 As you said, faucet, I heard like drip, drip, drip. 787 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,040 And I was like, wow, that's good. 788 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,440 There's a TV on the other side of this wall that was going in the beginning. 789 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,200 And then you could hear people doing dishes. 790 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:52,720 Yeah. 791 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,200 My son was banging on the door for a little bit. 792 00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:00,520 So yeah, it's either a faucet or, or a cat water fountain. 793 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:02,520 Yes. 794 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,160 My, my, my, is my metaphor. 795 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,520 Uh, I, I'm the same. 796 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:15,520 I am, I am, I hit when it's hitting and I tend to, um, go dark when it's not. 797 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:23,720 But I, I do better when I am in a, a zone of regular practice, regular output. 798 00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:25,400 Um, the quality is higher. 799 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:26,160 Yeah. 800 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:33,480 So like, um, even though like the output is higher, but like it enables me to choose 801 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:39,800 better quality items out of what I'm putting out rather than like, Oh, I just 802 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:40,800 had a productive weekend. 803 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,720 I'm going to use all of it, even though like half of it's not great. 804 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:45,640 Um, yeah. 805 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,880 And I think that's, it's a better zone to be in, right? 806 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,600 Like you're, you're looser and you're putting stuff out, then you get to choose, 807 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,920 you know, week over week, month over month, like you get to choose to move forward 808 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:04,040 with certain things and abandon other things other than having to use everything 809 00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,640 you do because your output is so low. 810 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,440 That's, that's, that's how I feel. 811 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:09,960 Yeah. 812 00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:11,160 Yeah. 813 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,080 It's like, I've gotten to a point now. 814 00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:19,640 I mean, I just like live in perpetual FOMO and that's like kind of what I'm 815 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,640 kind of what, what Luster is about a little bit. 816 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:24,040 Yeah. 817 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,600 Talk about that song actually. 818 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:26,760 Oh, what Luster? 819 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:27,080 Yeah. 820 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:34,960 I mean, it's, it's, it's about me living in, you know, the first line is the grass 821 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,040 is always greener. 822 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,920 Um, when your heart's black and blue, blah, blah, blah. 823 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:46,640 So it's, it's trying to look at that. 824 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:47,600 It's a great line, by the way. 825 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:48,760 Oh, thanks. 826 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:49,080 Yeah. 827 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,320 Just like that constant feeling of being unsatisfied. 828 00:57:52,360 --> 00:58:00,400 Um, and telling myself to, to sit the fuck down. 829 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:10,720 Um, I'm trying to think of the other lines of the song, but, um, but no, just as 830 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:18,400 far as like, just my, you know, whether it's a daily practice or just hit when 831 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:25,360 it's hitting, I'm realizing like, Oh, I'm, there's all of this, this creative 832 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,200 energy that I'm missing out on if I'm not doing anything. 833 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:37,120 Um, yeah, it's when, when I have those thoughts, it's, it's, it makes me so sad. 834 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:38,320 Yeah. 835 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,240 But it's also a huge motivator, right? 836 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:46,760 Because when you realize like, Hey, like, you know, I took a nap yesterday and I 837 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,680 could have actually written like four songs in two hours and I didn't. 838 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,800 Um, that's, that's a little bit of a motivator. 839 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:56,080 Yeah. 840 00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,160 But then again, sometimes you really need those naps. 841 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,400 I love, I love that. 842 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:01,280 Oh my God. 843 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,600 Don't even get me started. 844 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:04,400 Well, you have a cat. 845 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,160 So you under, obviously understand that. 846 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,160 Oh God. 847 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,680 I've, well, I have three cats, but that's for another show. 848 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,160 That is, that's, well, it's another podcast, actually. 849 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:13,600 Right. 850 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,400 The cat, the cat cast. 851 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,120 Right. 852 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,400 I don't like cats. 853 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,240 So like, I mean, I like you. 854 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,000 Well, I will. 855 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,440 So let's, let's just leave it. 856 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:24,280 Let's just leave it. 857 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,480 I cast and thank you very much. 858 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:34,240 Um, Ryan, do you, um, we're, I, we're, we're a little bit out of time. 859 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,680 We have one segment left to go. 860 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:43,520 Is there anything else you want to cover with Mary before we get into easy, uneasy? 861 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,320 Oh, yes. 862 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,680 Um, well, yeah, I, I mean, I, I would like to have Mary on again. 863 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:56,000 Um, and, and we could maybe dive deeper into, I mean, I wanted to ask you about your process. 864 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,880 Um, but I think that's, we could, we could really, you know what? 865 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:05,560 Tell me about your process. 866 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:06,920 Like what? 867 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,240 And it depends. 868 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:09,320 I know it depends. 869 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:10,000 Right. 870 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:10,480 Right. 871 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:11,000 Right. 872 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,360 But I think that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, 873 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,440 That's when your album is too much to cover for, 874 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:16,960 It feels really re Kurt Award. 875 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:17,240 Right. 876 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:18,320 In a short, Okay. 877 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,840 All right. 878 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,960 Well, I've had a hard time doing this. 879 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:42,840 You know, and you've only been a student in college and, uh, is that what you mean, 880 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:50,520 lyrics would come out that, like, oh, that doesn't sound dumb. 881 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:51,520 Okay. 882 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:57,640 But now I feel like there's much more intention. 883 01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:02,440 It's like, oh, I don't know. 884 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:08,680 I guess with the last few songs I've written, there's definitely more of a focus. 885 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:20,720 Like with Luster, I was exploring that feeling of just sort of never being satisfied. 886 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,720 And what else? 887 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:23,880 Oh, Shadows in the Room. 888 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:30,760 I mean, that I was mad at a family member. 889 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:35,680 So it's actually, even though it sounds like it, it's not a breakup song. 890 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,960 And it's honestly about grief and loss. 891 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,840 And it's, you know, grief and loss comes in so many forms. 892 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:48,160 I like the image of that song, but the beach passages are very cool. 893 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,160 Yeah. 894 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:50,160 Yeah, thanks. 895 01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,160 Thank you. 896 01:01:51,160 --> 01:02:00,120 So yeah, I feel like I'm sort of shifting a little bit in my process these days in that 897 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:07,680 there's more, there's more intentionality, I guess, and like what the song is about. 898 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:15,200 You strike me as, I'm going to guess it. 899 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:16,960 Your lyrics sound like they flow out. 900 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,200 Like, is it easy for you to write lyrics? 901 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,320 Because that's the hardest thing for me. 902 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:22,960 Oh my God, me too. 903 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,680 And we've talked about this. 904 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:34,680 I mean, I will pull my hair out with lyrics. 905 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,880 And that's the fear, you know, the fear is like, Oh my God, I don't want this to sound 906 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:39,880 dumb. 907 01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,760 It's my biggest fear is like, will it sound dumb? 908 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:43,760 Is it going to sound dumb? 909 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,160 Everyone's going to know I'm an idiot once and for all. 910 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,600 Everyone's going to know I'm dumb. 911 01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:54,240 I think of it like when I'm listening to a band that I love and I'm listening to lyrics 912 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:59,720 that I love, and I will think of it and be like, Oh, I would never like that would never 913 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,720 clear my QC. 914 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:02,720 Right. 915 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,320 And what they just said is great. 916 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:06,920 But I'd be like, that's stupid. 917 01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,920 Like, right, right. 918 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:09,920 Yeah. 919 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,440 I think that how horrible is that? 920 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,880 Like what a terrible filter that is to have in your mind. 921 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,080 I know, I know. 922 01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:22,120 And now, right, we got to write a song now about it should be called everybody's going 923 01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,120 to think I'm dumb. 924 01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:25,120 Yeah. 925 01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,520 Or another one. 926 01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,520 The other one has to be cats, except for dumb. 927 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,680 But yeah, Dom hates cats. 928 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,800 Everyone loves cats except for dumb. 929 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:36,800 Right. 930 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:44,120 I do want to say so when when I'm looking for Mary Doherty here in New York, I Google 931 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:52,120 Mary Doherty and I come up with SoundCloud.com slash Mary dash Doherty dash six. 932 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:57,520 If you want to listen to Mary's music, I'm hope I'm promoting the right thing. 933 01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,520 Well, yes, it's fine. 934 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:00,520 Yes, friend. 935 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,120 Yes, it's fine. 936 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:09,920 I will say, I will say, you know, some of those songs are old and it's not the best recording 937 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,040 quality. 938 01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:18,160 And you know, like Luster and and shout is in the room are not on there. 939 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:28,520 I do see one LinkedIn to Mary Doherty, Master of Science, Music Therapist. 940 01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:29,520 Yeah. 941 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:30,520 Yeah. 942 01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:31,520 Wow. 943 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,720 Well, that I mean, it's like, you know, yeah. 944 01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:44,520 But I'm working on getting a band camp page going with a much more serious and professional 945 01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:51,600 approach because I I I I miss playing and I the last few years that, you know, I want 946 01:04:51,600 --> 01:05:04,400 to honor my creativity and I think everybody should and that's my goal is to I love that 947 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,800 just honor, honor myself a little bit more. 948 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:13,800 And that it's helpful for me because I sometimes in very blocked and second guessing myself. 949 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,640 But we're here on the program with Ryan Havers. 950 01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:24,320 I'm Dom Dorman, we're here with Mary Doherty, musician, performer, singer, songwriter, music 951 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,000 therapist and what a great chat. 952 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,520 We definitely have to have you back because there are so many different things I needed 953 01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,760 and wanted to ask you. 954 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:41,840 And we just didn't get to I mean, how do you do it in an hour? 955 01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,600 But also I would say that if and when you're playing and performing, nothing would make 956 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:54,960 me happier than to I would love to play with you or for you or accompany you in any manner. 957 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,200 I think your music is is lovely and fantastic. 958 01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,640 And you seem like a very, very, very nice person. 959 01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:07,600 Well thank you that it was my honor and privilege. 960 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,640 And I want to hear you some of your music, Dom. 961 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,280 Oh, that old thing. 962 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:14,280 Sure. 963 01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:15,280 Yeah. 964 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:25,560 I've been dormant for I've been on hiatus for too long of a time. 965 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,040 But enough about me. 966 01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,720 I am Dom Dorman. 967 01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,120 That's the only thing I'll say about me. 968 01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,440 And then there's Ryan Havers here. 969 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,440 We are on the program. 970 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:37,800 We've had Mary Doherty here. 971 01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,720 We've had such a fantastic and enlightening time. 972 01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:46,920 And just thank you from the universe to you, Mary, for the work that you do, which I'm 973 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:54,080 sure has so many amazing sort of hidden challenges and the things that you do for people who 974 01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:55,080 are in a rough time. 975 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:59,920 So we appreciate that of you for them. 976 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:06,360 And before you go with our final segment here is called Easy Uneasy. 977 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:13,480 And this is when Ryan will ask you an easy question. 978 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,200 And then I will ask you a question that will make you uneasy. 979 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,200 Oh, Lord. 980 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:20,200 All right. 981 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,240 I forgot about the segment. 982 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,520 So we're going to take it easy on Mary as sweet as pie. 983 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,760 No, it's Thanksgiving week. 984 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,680 You know, we're not we're not here. 985 01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:33,880 There's no gotchas here. 986 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:35,080 We're just going to have a little fun. 987 01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,280 Ryan and I like to have fun. 988 01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,360 And throw it at me. 989 01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:41,360 All right. 990 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:42,360 Okay. 991 01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:49,560 Do you think a sandwich tastes better when someone else makes it? 992 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,960 Oh, my God. 993 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,160 That's a hard question. 994 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,760 Um, well, you haven't heard the other question yet. 995 01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:03,320 Well, and it's again, it fucking depends on who makes it. 996 01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,760 What a great answer. 997 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,280 That is a great answer. 998 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:08,280 Yeah. 999 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:09,800 I mean, that's a great answer. 1000 01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,840 It depends on who makes it. 1001 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:20,880 Like my mom used to do, she would put like peanut butter on both sides of the bread. 1002 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:21,880 And that, oh, okay. 1003 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:22,880 Maybe I thought this was a. 1004 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:24,680 I've never done that. 1005 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:25,680 Yeah. 1006 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:30,080 She would put peanut butter on both sides of the bread and then the, the, a glob of jelly 1007 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,080 in the middle. 1008 01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:32,560 I never even thought of doing that. 1009 01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:33,560 Yeah. 1010 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,360 It was just like, oh, that's, that's my mom. 1011 01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,320 I feel like I do both on both. 1012 01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:45,000 Cause you can kind of eat them open faced. 1013 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,640 You think you know someone. 1014 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,560 You know what? 1015 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:49,560 You know why I say that though? 1016 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,920 You know what really bugs me is that if I ask, if I order a bagel with cream cheese 1017 01:08:53,920 --> 01:09:00,880 and tomato and there's cream cheese only on one side and then the tomato and then there's 1018 01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:01,880 like, send it back. 1019 01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:07,880 I'd like a, like a naked wet bagel on the other half is like, no, that's not what I 1020 01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:08,880 ordered. 1021 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:09,880 Yeah. 1022 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:10,880 Yeah. 1023 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:11,880 Cream cheese on both sides. 1024 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:12,880 I'm with you there. 1025 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:13,880 So now I say cream cheese on both sides with tomato. 1026 01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:20,880 Cause the tomato is very wet and it will just get the one side soggy. 1027 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:21,880 Right. 1028 01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,880 I'm going to try the double PBJ. 1029 01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:24,880 Okay. 1030 01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:25,880 Yeah. 1031 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:26,880 I'm going to try that. 1032 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:27,880 So yeah, I mean it, it depends. 1033 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,880 I mean, uh, it depends on the person. 1034 01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,880 It depends on the sandwich. 1035 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:33,880 Wow. 1036 01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,880 A lot of variables. 1037 01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:36,880 Yeah. 1038 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:37,880 That's a lot. 1039 01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:45,680 You know, I think we thought we put that in the easy column, but I don't think we anticipated 1040 01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,880 the thought that goes into how to answer it really. 1041 01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,880 I have to rethink all of these because my answer right off the bat is yes. 1042 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:58,880 However, yeah, like what if it's like your elementary school principle making you a shit 1043 01:09:58,880 --> 01:09:59,880 sandwich? 1044 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:00,880 Like that's not good. 1045 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:01,880 Nobody likes. 1046 01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:02,880 Yeah. 1047 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,880 That's better if you make that for him. 1048 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:05,880 Yeah. 1049 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:06,880 In my world. 1050 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,880 Right. 1051 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,880 No baggage there. 1052 01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:15,880 Oh, okay. 1053 01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,880 So now we go to uneasy. 1054 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:18,880 Okay. 1055 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:19,880 That was the easy question. 1056 01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:20,880 My ears. 1057 01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:27,880 What was the, uh, is it better if, if, if, if someone is the sandwich tastes better if 1058 01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:28,880 someone makes it for you. 1059 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,880 That was the easy question. 1060 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:46,880 Uh, my question is, have you ever, uh, knowingly served someone expired food? 1061 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:54,880 I don't know because I am a terrible cook. 1062 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,880 I mean, I'm not a cook. 1063 01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:02,880 So I rarely, um, make food for people. 1064 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:10,880 Um, well, let me, uh, my comment on that is that if you're, if you don't cook for yourself 1065 01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:16,880 that much or other people that much, chances are someone has served you expired food. 1066 01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:17,880 Yeah. 1067 01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:18,880 Yeah. 1068 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:23,880 See, and that's, and this is where like, uh, I. 1069 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,880 I'm okay with some expired. 1070 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,880 It depends on what it is. 1071 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:35,880 Hey, like I, I, I will always speaking of reincarnation, I feel like I, when one of my past lives, 1072 01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:41,880 I was like in the great depression or something because I hate throwing food away. 1073 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,880 I don't want to, I want to save everything. 1074 01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,880 And I'm like, oh, this, this cream cheese has a little mold. 1075 01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,880 I'm going to scrape that shit off. 1076 01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:57,880 Uh, you know, there's a layer you take off the, the protective layer. 1077 01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,880 And then there's good food underneath. 1078 01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:11,880 I do think I think, I think that probably I think that 40, maybe 40% of food has expiration dates 1079 01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,880 that are engineered to just make you buy more food. 1080 01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:16,880 Yeah. 1081 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,880 Not all. 1082 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:24,880 Like obviously visible mold, you know, is a, is a red flag. 1083 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:30,880 Well, I think, I think anything in cheese, most cheese, well, cheese is already moldy. 1084 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:35,880 It's already moldy, but you know, I'm not going to eat unless it's like blue cheese or something like that. 1085 01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:37,880 No, but you can slice off, just slice off. 1086 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:42,880 I think anything in a jar that's in the fridge, like it's been opened. 1087 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,880 It's in a jar, you know, it's maybe it's like a jelly. 1088 01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:46,880 What about yogurt? 1089 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:52,880 Where it's like, well, yogurt, you can tell it's like you use your eyes and your nose. 1090 01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,880 Sometimes your ears, but you just take the yogurt. 1091 01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,880 I'm a pink layer off. 1092 01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,880 I just scraped that shit off. 1093 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:03,880 All right. 1094 01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:07,880 Am I, am I see that was an idea too. 1095 01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:08,880 I don't know. 1096 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,880 That was like an easier question. 1097 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:19,880 I was just going to ask which, which question was made you uneasier? 1098 01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:24,880 Um, well, the first one was harder to answer. 1099 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:33,880 I mean, the second one is like, Oh, well, most likely probably because one, I don't, I don't really cook that much. 1100 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:35,880 So yes. 1101 01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:36,880 I love it. 1102 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:37,880 I love it. 1103 01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,880 And, uh, yeah, I mean, I eat expired food myself. 1104 01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,880 So it's like, I'm just like, Oh, it's probably, it's like, this is me. 1105 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,880 It's probably fine. 1106 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:48,880 Right. 1107 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:49,880 It's not going to kill you. 1108 01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:50,880 Right. 1109 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,880 And then how often do you really get sick? 1110 01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:53,880 Like not. 1111 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:54,880 Yeah. 1112 01:13:54,880 --> 01:14:03,880 I also like grew up on a small farm and it's, you know, I like a different outlook on germs. 1113 01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:04,880 All right. 1114 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:05,880 So with that. 1115 01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:07,880 Another show. 1116 01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:13,880 Um, this is great. 1117 01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:20,880 Mary, I had so much fun talking with you and Ryan, thank you so much for, for bringing Mary to the conversation. 1118 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:21,880 This is great. 1119 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:22,880 Yeah. 1120 01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:23,880 Thanks so much for coming on. 1121 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:24,880 Mary appreciate it. 1122 01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:25,880 Oh my gosh. 1123 01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:26,880 Thank you. 1124 01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:31,880 This is the first, my first podcast and hopefully not my last. 1125 01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:36,880 There will be some about cats and expired food. 1126 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:41,880 Let's do a new podcast about cats eating expired food. 1127 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:42,880 And some hats. 1128 01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:43,880 Okay. 1129 01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,880 Mary, thank you again. 1130 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:53,880 Mary Doherty, a singer, songwriter, performer, music therapist here on the program with Ryan and I, Ryan, thank you for your time. 1131 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:54,880 Mary, thank you for your time. 1132 01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,880 What a wonderful way to spend an evening. 1133 01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,880 Thank you guys. 1134 01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:01,880 Alright. 1135 01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:02,880 Happy trails. 1136 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:03,880 I just have to let go. 1137 01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:04,880 I know you can do it. 1138 01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:05,880 We're all capable of doing it. 1139 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,880 We just have to throw it all away. 1140 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:15,880 We just have to throw it all away. 1141 01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:21,880 We just have to throw it all away. 1142 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:26,880 We just have to throw it all away. 1143 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,880 You