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Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good

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night, wherever you are in the world. This is

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French Box and I'm your host, Matt. Flying solo

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today. Ezra is not in the building today. So,

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ladies, I apologize. The heartthrob is not here.

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He had to take care of some family business.

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But I'm here. I'm here. So, you know, Trap Basquiat,

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you can stay. You know, I guess, whatever you

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decide to pop in. But yeah, Ezra's not here today.

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A lot of stuff I wanted to get into today. Today

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is a big fight day. Rolly Romero versus Tiafema

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Lopez for the WBA Welterweight Championship.

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Tonight, live on PBC Pay -Per -View. It's going

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to be available on DAZN and Amazon Prime. It's

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going to be very, very interesting tonight. So

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I really wanted to get into that. I also wanted

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to talk about the heavyweight situation with

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Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury. Is this fight

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going to happen? Is it going to happen in the

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U .S.? What's the latest with that? I wanted

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to talk about that. And, of course, we will go

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through the news and the notes of the day. But

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I wanted to introduce... The producer of Bunch

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Boxes, the master marionette himself, Mr. No

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Days Off, Huey P. What's going on, Huey? Doing

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good, man. Doing good. Just getting ready for

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the day we got ahead of us. You know, good main

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event, good main event. But we'll see what else

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we got in store. And also some of the news we

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got on that Tyson Fury Joshua undercard seemed

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kind of interesting. Very, very interesting.

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And you know what? Listen, I love Roley. That's

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my guy. But I love to meet more, man. I got to

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start with the heavyweights today, man. I got

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to start with this Anthony Joshua Tyson Fury

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fiasco. So the very latest is that, hey, everyone

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is all in. Everyone wants to fight. But they

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really, really want to move the fight to New

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York. Anthony Joshua's holding up the fight from

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going to New York. Eddie Hearn sent some conditions

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on which the fight could take place in New York.

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And by the way, just so the people are aware,

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Eddie Hearn said this from the beginning. Eddie

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Hearn said, hey, the only way the fight could

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happen outside of the UK. It's if we sign off

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on it to happen outside the UK, because the contract

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says it has to take place in the UK. So Eddie

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Hearn is 100 % right about what's going on. He's

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been right from the beginning. He told the truth

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from the beginning. So let's not be mad at Eddie

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Hearn, okay? But basically, Boxerstein released

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the article that they claim. contains the addendums

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that Eddie Hearn put out there. That Eddie Hearn

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wants to be paid in full for some Dodge Championship.

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He wants to have a certain number of fights on

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the card. He wants to kick out Zufa from having

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anything to do with the card. He wants to do

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this. He wants to do that. Eddie Hearn says,

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hey, that's bullshit. I said nothing of the sort.

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We did send some addendums out. None of these

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addendums that they printed out was on there.

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And Eddie Hearn thinks that somebody, the powers

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that be, the guys that are in charge are trying

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to put out false information publicly to make

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Eddie Hearn look bad. And to force Joshua to

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basically sign a contract that he's not comfortable

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with. I wonder who said that to me just last

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week. It's plain to see that, first of all, that

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I know, I know. Everyone loves Turkey Al -Sheikh.

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I know we all love Turkey Al -Sheikh. But let's

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be honest. This guy doesn't know what the fuck

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he's doing. And no one wants to say it, but I

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will say it because people are scared to say

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it. Turkey Al -Sheikh don't know what the fuck

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he is doing. You have a fight. Between the two

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biggest British stars since Lennox Lewis, okay?

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Two of the biggest British stars of all time

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meeting against each other. And people are clamoring

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and have been clamoring to see this fight. All

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you got to do is open up the stadium doors at

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Wembley, let 100 ,000 fans in, broadcast it anywhere

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you want, put it on pay -per -view, and a million

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people will buy it, 100 ,000 people will watch

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it, and buy tickets, and away you go. This was

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such an easy fight to not only make, but to make

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bank off of. Any idiot could have done this.

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But for some reason, Turkey Al -Sheikh has decided,

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I'm going to take this very easy fight, and I'm

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going to... increase the level of difficulty

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in making money for this fight. And I just don't

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get it. He's like, you know what? This is too

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easy. This is way too easy. We're going to make

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money way too easily. My dumb ass want to see

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just how much I can fuck this up and still try

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to make some money. Honestly, and I hate to do

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this. This reminds me of a special friend that

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I have. Okay? I'm not going to put her name out

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there, but once you listen to Bunch Box, she's

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going to know I'm talking about her once I describe

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the scenario. I have this friend who is single,

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by the way, fellas. And she's hot. Sexy girl.

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You know, she's all right. I have this friend

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who she will go out on a date with a guy. She

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likes the guy. But for some reason, because she

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likes the guy, she's on a date. She will purposely

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sabotage everything pertaining to the guy. Oh.

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I'm going to cancel. I'm going to cancel. I'm

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going to do this. I'm going to do that. I'm not

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interested in this guy. And then a week later,

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she'll be like, so do you think the guy still

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likes me? Hey, do you think he's going to contact

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me? Well, if he really wanted me, he would have

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contacted me. I'll be like, bitch. You did everything

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possible to let this nigga know that you are

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not interested. But now because he took your

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head, you want him back. And you want a relationship.

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And you wonder why it's not working out for you.

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And she would do this like this has been going

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on. Y 'all might think I'm joking. This has been

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going on for about 10 years. And she does it

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every time. And she wonders why it doesn't work

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out. I just, I don't get it. This is Turquoise

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Chic. Turquoise Chic said, you know what? I got

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Ryan Garcia. Brody Romero. Devin Haney. I got

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all these guys on the same card. What I'm going

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to do, I'm going to put this at Madison Square

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Garden. I'm not going to put this in Las Vegas.

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I'm not going to put this at the Staples Center.

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You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to put

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this in Times Square. And block it off so nobody

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can see it. Nah. But I'm going to do it anyway.

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Hey, you know what I want to do? I want to take

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a fight. And I want to go to prison. That people

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are trying to escape from. Have a fight there.

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Are you serious? Hey, you know what? Alexander

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Usyk. I want you to have this big crossover fight

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against the kickboxer. But. Let's do it in front

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of the pyramids in Egypt. Where nobody is going

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to fucking go. Who's the big fight? Let's go

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to Saudi Arabia. You know what, man? As dumb

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as all those other ones are, I actually like

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this part in America, because I'll tell you why.

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I'm even thinking about stepping into that territory

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that I would never step into to watch that fight.

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My problem is you're for the people. You're not

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selfish enough. Sometimes that gets to me. I

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know you're for the people and I know you're

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saying it's not about us, but it's about me.

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I want to be there. American money hits different,

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man. I don't know what to tell you. Bro, bro,

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this fight is about the British boxing fan. Little

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known fact about me. I know you guys heard this

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every time. More than the Al Bundy four touchdowns

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in one game thing. But I used to run a British

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boxing group. Okay. Called Boxing Updates. where

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we had over 200 ,000 members of boxing fans talking

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boxing every week, watching me do lives every

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week, chatting and arguing about boxing every

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week. And you know who was the biggest star of

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that group? Anthony fucking Joshua. Okay? Anthony

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fucking Joshua. And then it became Tyson Fury.

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And these guys have been clamoring for an Anthony

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Joshua Tyson Fury fight for years. And now that

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the fight is finally here, they're going to put

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it in America? And that makes sense? So you're

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telling me that America, who doesn't give a shit

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about this fight. Yes, we do. America cares about

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this fight, man. We don't. We don't. Yes, we

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do. We don't care as much as them. The American

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boxing fan might care, but America doesn't care

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the way the UK cares. They're not selling out

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Madison Square Garden. I hope they catch up.

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Hey, listen, these guys can travel. I've seen

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them in Las Vegas all the time. But why? Here's

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what you don't understand about the British boxing

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fan. Because, you know, with all due respect,

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Mike, you never ran a British boxing group with

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200 ,000 members like me. Here's what you don't

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understand about the British boxing fan. The

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British boxing fan does not like... when you

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spit in their face. And that's what this will

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be if they do it in America. So I guarantee you,

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I guarantee you, if they put this in America,

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the majority of British boxing fans will not

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travel to see this. A lot of them are going to

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take it a step further and boycott this event.

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I guarantee it. The British boxers that I talk

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to every day, because I'm boots on the ground

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with the Brits. They are very unhappy. They are

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very unhappy, Mike. They will watch, man. How

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many times have I heard people say I'm done with

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boxing? Yada, yada, yada. I'm telling you, man.

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We'll see. We will see. When we watch boxing,

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I know that you got to be some kind of addict

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to boxing when you're doing it because it treats

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you miserably sometimes. And boxing has given

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you plenty of reasons to walk away. You know

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what I mean? And so even if this is done to the

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British, you know, hey, man, they're still going

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to tune in. They're still going to watch. It's

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something they want to see. And they might fly

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out. Enjoy the good old New York City. Which

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is one of the top American cities in the world.

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Yeah, New York City in the fucking winter. Yeah,

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good luck. Real joy. A real joy. New York City

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in the fucking winter. I've seen it in the movies.

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It looks amazing. Will the Christmas tree be

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up, Matt? They can take pictures. Yes, the Christmas

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tree will be up. See? It will be amazing. Come

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on. I'm going to be honest with you. I hope this

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fight doesn't happen. You are the worst. I hope

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it happens. I hope it doesn't happen in New York.

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I hope it doesn't happen. Go a step further.

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Bring it to Las Vegas. Go a step further. Bring

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it to Las Vegas. I hope what happens is that

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Anthony Joshua stands his ground and say, you

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know what? This fight is either happening in

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the UK Or it's not happening at all. They both,

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and when I say both, I mean Anthony Joshua, Eddie

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Hearn. Because Tyson Fury, listen, Tyson Fury,

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he'll just do whatever the money tells him to

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do. This guy has no fucking backbone, no moral

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compass. But Anthony Joshua does. Is he a Brit?

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Well, Tyson Fury? Yeah. He's a Brit, but he's

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a different kind of Brit. Okay. He's a different

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kind of Brit. He's respectfully. You know what?

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I won't get into the history. The fact that you

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had to say respectfully, don't say it, man. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. I'm trying to clean it up. I'm trying

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to clean it up. And Ezra Steed, come on, Matt.

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This is a family show. Yeah. Hey, we know what

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Tyson Fury is. That's all I'm gonna say. That's

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all I'm gonna say. Hey. In fact, if he were to

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give you a hug, you better check and make sure

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your wallet's not missing. That's all I'm going

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to say, Mike. My thing is this, right? Anthony

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Joshua needs to stand up for the British people

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and say it's happening here or it's not happening.

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If he does that, you know what happens? There's

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a duck. No, it's not a duck. No cave. First of

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all, Why do they even need Turkey to put this

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fight on? The problem is, man, is these fighters

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have been screwed over so much by promoters that

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now they're like, I'll just take the money up

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front. To me, this is not a fight that needs

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to be subsidized. It doesn't, but they end up

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not seeing their money somehow, some way. Yeah,

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yeah, hey, funny enough. One of the things that

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Boxer C was saying was that they need to pay

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Anthony Joshua the rest of his money from his

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fight against Prager. So, Turkey, what's going

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on, brother? You're not paying your bills? The

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hell's going on here? You're supposed to be the

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man with all the fucking money. So if we're to

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believe this bullshit, you ain't picking these

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motherfuckers like you're supposed to. Hey, man,

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he's got him on Friday. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

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right? But I just think this fight should not

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happen. It just shouldn't. I'm done with this

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fight. Like, for me, the last straw is screwing

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over the British boxing fans. Because I love

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the Brits, man. Everyone knows I am. Mr. UK,

00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:51.880
we can't have this. We cannot have this. But

00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:54.799
it is what it is, man. But Mike, since you're

00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:57.759
here, Mike, ultimately, do you think we're going

00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:00.579
to get this fight? And if so, where is it going

00:20:00.579 --> 00:20:04.779
to be? You know, man, when it comes to boxing,

00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:07.319
I usually trust your judgment. So ultimately,

00:20:07.539 --> 00:20:10.960
it should be in home somewhere over there. Like

00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:14.019
you say, Wembley Stadium. They might not. When

00:20:14.019 --> 00:20:15.779
have they ever got it right? So even when you're

00:20:15.779 --> 00:20:17.099
like, yeah, here's where they should have it.

00:20:17.140 --> 00:20:18.920
They probably won't have it there either. But

00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:20.920
they might have it over there somewhere closer

00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:26.039
for them to get there. You know, so I would love

00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:30.710
it here. I would love it in Las Vegas. I would

00:20:30.710 --> 00:20:32.529
go see that fight. I think many people would

00:20:32.529 --> 00:20:35.849
go see that fight. I think we're underestimating

00:20:35.849 --> 00:20:39.210
their star power. Even the people's travel power.

00:20:40.829 --> 00:20:43.970
Plenty of times I've seen foreigners travel to

00:20:43.970 --> 00:20:48.349
see their fighters come in packs. If it was up

00:20:48.349 --> 00:20:50.490
to you, I'd do that shit in Northern California.

00:20:51.329 --> 00:20:55.089
Any chance it happens in neither and it's a Riyadh

00:20:55.089 --> 00:21:00.039
fight. Oh my god, bro. That would be fucking

00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:06.099
hilarious. That would be fucking hilarious. I'm

00:21:06.099 --> 00:21:10.680
gonna say no. Because if we're talking about

00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.059
maximizing money, you ain't making no fucking

00:21:13.059 --> 00:21:17.380
money in Riyadh. Isn't Riyadh getting bombed

00:21:17.380 --> 00:21:21.180
on right now? I haven't been paying too much

00:21:21.180 --> 00:21:22.940
attention to the news. I can't comment on that.

00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:29.069
We're a boxing show. Yeah. Hey, now's not the

00:21:29.069 --> 00:21:31.309
time to go to fucking Saudi Arabia. That's all

00:21:31.309 --> 00:21:38.069
I got to say. Because these motherfuckers ain't

00:21:38.069 --> 00:21:42.009
playing right now. This homeless straight shit

00:21:42.009 --> 00:21:47.250
that's going on with Iran. Hey, it's dangerous

00:21:47.250 --> 00:21:49.950
out there right now. So I wouldn't even fuck

00:21:49.950 --> 00:21:54.490
around and travel out there. So I doubt they're

00:21:54.490 --> 00:21:56.529
going to go to Riyadh. No, that makes sense.

00:21:56.609 --> 00:21:58.069
That makes sense. I do think there's a more likely

00:21:58.069 --> 00:21:59.910
chance this happens in the UK, though, just to

00:21:59.910 --> 00:22:02.130
kind of put a bow on that. We've heard Turkey

00:22:02.130 --> 00:22:04.490
have ideas. You mentioned a few of them. Alcatraz

00:22:04.490 --> 00:22:08.549
didn't work. Times Square did work. He's like

00:22:08.549 --> 00:22:10.970
70 -30 on these crazy ideas actually working.

00:22:12.109 --> 00:22:14.309
Yeah, I don't think there was wrong with Turkey.

00:22:17.490 --> 00:22:21.589
It's like he just yells random things and said,

00:22:21.630 --> 00:22:25.000
you know what, let's do it. I don't get it. You

00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:29.799
know what it is? He got bad advisors from the

00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:34.880
get -go. Does he have advisors? Or did he just

00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:38.059
say shit and everyone's scared to fucking disagree?

00:22:38.859 --> 00:22:42.160
Exactly. That's the problem. The people he got

00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:44.200
didn't have backbones to be like, hey, you're

00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:47.420
crazy. That's not a good idea. He needs to hire

00:22:47.420 --> 00:22:51.359
you, Matt. Like, hey. He would have had his head

00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:53.910
cut off by now. What do you mean? It's like,

00:22:54.029 --> 00:22:58.190
let's not go to top square. Let's not go to top

00:22:58.190 --> 00:23:01.329
square and block everyone from seeing the fight.

00:23:04.450 --> 00:23:08.430
Let's not have Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney on

00:23:08.430 --> 00:23:10.390
the same card, but they're not fighting each

00:23:10.390 --> 00:23:17.009
other. It made no fucking sense. Bro, they had

00:23:17.009 --> 00:23:22.299
Rolly Romero, Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney. and Tia

00:23:22.299 --> 00:23:26.839
Fimo Lopez on the same card. And only Rowley

00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:30.160
and Ryan will fight each other. Guess what? We're

00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.619
getting Rowley versus Tio tonight. Like, dang.

00:23:33.859 --> 00:23:35.960
Hey, you could have did that. You could have

00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:39.240
did Devin -Ryan rematch and Rowley versus Tio

00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:42.200
on the same fucking card. Put that shit in Madison

00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:44.819
Square Garden and sell some goddamn tickets.

00:23:48.500 --> 00:23:52.579
Jesus. Oh, man. All right, we got some stuff

00:23:52.579 --> 00:23:58.160
from the audience on this. First, Basquiat NYC

00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:02.619
wants to know, where's Ezra? Bro, Ezra's not

00:24:02.619 --> 00:24:08.039
here. If you want to leave, leave. Scrolling

00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:10.539
up a little bit, we had BrickSquad also saying

00:24:10.539 --> 00:24:13.559
he's deadass disappointed in Ezra. And then I

00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:15.519
don't know about this nickname, but he asked

00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:19.299
if you could fire him. Can you fire the Mexican

00:24:19.299 --> 00:24:22.140
monster? Is he talking about David Benavidez?

00:24:22.299 --> 00:24:23.900
I don't know if he's talking about him because

00:24:23.900 --> 00:24:25.920
the very next comment, like I said, was that

00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:28.099
he's dead ass disappointed in Ezra. So I think

00:24:28.099 --> 00:24:30.940
he's referring to Ezra. Listen, listen, listen,

00:24:31.059 --> 00:24:34.839
listen. Don't ever call Ezra the Mexican monster.

00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:43.359
Okay? Please. Maybe call him the Mexican teddy

00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:50.529
bear, but not the Mexican monster. What's next

00:24:50.529 --> 00:24:54.549
on the agenda, Matt? Well, I want to move to

00:24:54.549 --> 00:24:56.309
the Cruiserweight division since we're talking

00:24:56.309 --> 00:24:59.849
about the Mexican monster. And I want to talk

00:24:59.849 --> 00:25:05.349
about this David Benavidez situation. So David

00:25:05.349 --> 00:25:08.809
Benavidez is very likely to fight Michael C.

00:25:08.950 --> 00:25:14.150
Slack next, basically, because C. Slack is likely

00:25:14.150 --> 00:25:19.000
to get elevated to the WBC champion. They're

00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.799
probably going to strip Michaelian if Michaelian

00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:25.740
decides to try to go through with the Jao Opataya

00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:30.960
fight. And I got to tell you that. I got to tell

00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:36.240
you something. I think it's very stupid for Noel

00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:39.480
Michaelian to declare he's going to fight Jao

00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:43.680
Opataya. And here's why. He's going to end up

00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:48.279
getting stripped. That fight is not going to

00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:51.759
end up happening. Bro, I'm telling you, Don King

00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:57.059
is going to get a successful injunction in order

00:25:57.059 --> 00:26:00.400
to block that fight from happening. So he's really

00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:06.359
wasting his time. Bro, I understand that nobody

00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:09.460
wants to be under contract with Don King. But

00:26:09.460 --> 00:26:12.660
the fact of the matter is, you're under contract.

00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:17.009
You signed a contract with Don King. It's probably

00:26:17.009 --> 00:26:21.369
an old school bad boy P. Diddy deal where you

00:26:21.369 --> 00:26:26.730
can't get out of it. My brother, just fight the

00:26:26.730 --> 00:26:31.430
contract out. That's it. You're screwing up your

00:26:31.430 --> 00:26:35.650
career. And there's this whole thing with David

00:26:35.650 --> 00:26:40.210
Benavidez. Oh, he's taking the easy way to the

00:26:40.210 --> 00:26:44.809
bottom. No, no, no. He's fighting whoever has

00:26:44.809 --> 00:26:49.750
the fucking belts. He doesn't care. This is the

00:26:49.750 --> 00:26:52.470
cruiserweight fucking division. The cruiserweight

00:26:52.470 --> 00:26:57.930
division sucks. It fucking sucks. There's no

00:26:57.930 --> 00:27:01.089
star power. So to me, if David's going to be

00:27:01.089 --> 00:27:04.190
a cruiserweight, then it doesn't matter who he

00:27:04.190 --> 00:27:07.910
fights. Because it's David versus anybody. David

00:27:07.910 --> 00:27:11.190
Benavidez is the star. David Benavidez is the

00:27:11.190 --> 00:27:13.519
one that people are going to pay to see. So it

00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:15.420
doesn't fucking matter who he fights. They all

00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:18.160
suck. None of them bring anything to the table,

00:27:18.220 --> 00:27:23.579
including John Opataya. David Benavidez is not

00:27:23.579 --> 00:27:27.019
going to sell an extra ticket if you change his

00:27:27.019 --> 00:27:31.119
opponent at Cruiserweight. He's just not. There's

00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:33.240
not a Cruiserweight that means anything in the

00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.859
U .S. to where it matters who David fights. It

00:27:37.859 --> 00:27:41.470
really doesn't. So Jao Pataya, you're thinking

00:27:41.470 --> 00:27:45.069
that you matter because Zufa is gassing you up,

00:27:45.069 --> 00:27:47.609
putting the battery in your back. Well, Jao Pataya,

00:27:47.829 --> 00:27:51.190
you can't ever sell a ticket. That's why Eddie

00:27:51.190 --> 00:27:54.369
Hearn got rid of your ass. You can't sell a ticket,

00:27:54.430 --> 00:28:14.519
brother. Yeah. Yeah. But how much does that matter?

00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:16.960
No, no, I understand that. But as far as like

00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:19.079
his standing in the sport and how people view

00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.079
him, and that can lead to more crossover success,

00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:23.799
having more critical claim and being considered

00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:26.700
and actually show, you know, from people seeing

00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:28.359
who you've beaten in the ring, not necessarily

00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:30.759
just your performances against the names that

00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.319
you have already, that you're like, that's a

00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:35.319
top quality opponent that people would feel like,

00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:37.500
okay, he's the real deal. Now he might, he actually

00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:39.380
is really proven one of the best fighters in

00:28:39.380 --> 00:28:45.519
the world. Maybe. Maybe, maybe. I think my favorite

00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:50.460
comment on this topic is from Trill. But Ja Opataya

00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:53.359
has a country behind him, some random boxing

00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:58.619
fan. And that's so true. For some reason, boxing

00:28:58.619 --> 00:29:00.519
fans automatically think just because you're

00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:02.880
a foreigner, that means your country's behind

00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.559
you and they're going to support you. Better

00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:11.079
be even and fucking Bavall can't sell a fucking

00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:15.789
ticket. Okay? John Mattia can't sell a fucking

00:29:15.789 --> 00:29:19.069
ticket. Like, some guys, they just don't hit.

00:29:20.109 --> 00:29:23.329
They just don't fucking hit. And it is what it

00:29:23.329 --> 00:29:27.829
is. Speaking of B -Ball, let's go to the light

00:29:27.829 --> 00:29:32.630
heavyweight division where Demetri B -Ball and

00:29:32.630 --> 00:29:35.849
Callum Smith could not reach an agreement for

00:29:35.849 --> 00:29:39.930
their mandatory WBO bout. So now it's going to

00:29:39.930 --> 00:29:43.369
Perth bid August 27th this week. And it's going

00:29:43.369 --> 00:29:50.069
to be live streamed on the WBO YouTube. Is this

00:29:50.069 --> 00:29:52.690
fight going to happen? That's the real fucking

00:29:52.690 --> 00:29:59.809
question. And then it goes to Brisbane. So you

00:29:59.809 --> 00:30:01.609
think we're going to end up with the trilogy?

00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:07.079
I don't know if we're going to end up with it,

00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:08.799
but I think that's the only fight either of those

00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:15.079
two actually want to take on next. I don't know.

00:30:17.099 --> 00:30:20.240
I'll be honest. I'm ready for B -Ball to retire.

00:30:22.460 --> 00:30:26.400
Let's get the fuck out of here. Like, Demetri

00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.420
B -Ball is one of the worst things that ever

00:30:30.420 --> 00:30:35.789
happened to boxing. He's given the sport Absolutely

00:30:35.789 --> 00:30:40.009
nothing. But he's taken everything from the sport.

00:30:41.450 --> 00:30:48.069
He was gifted a Penelope Alvarez fight. Did nothing

00:30:48.069 --> 00:30:54.309
with it. He was subsidized for the trilogy. Couldn't

00:30:54.309 --> 00:30:57.390
even keep his word and make it happen in a timely

00:30:57.390 --> 00:31:03.789
fashion. And now he's holding up a division where

00:31:04.929 --> 00:31:10.109
He could have fought David Benavidez. Both guys

00:31:10.109 --> 00:31:13.150
were free last year. They could have fought last

00:31:13.150 --> 00:31:16.650
year. But when it was time for David Benavidez

00:31:16.650 --> 00:31:19.670
mandatory to come up, he was like, you know what?

00:31:19.789 --> 00:31:25.490
I'm dropping that belt. But Michael Eifert, I'll

00:31:25.490 --> 00:31:30.329
fight you. And people were just okay with it.

00:31:30.789 --> 00:31:35.259
I'm not okay with it. I'm done with Dimitri Bivol.

00:31:35.420 --> 00:31:40.079
He's not good for boxing. He's not even entertaining.

00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:43.839
He has no redeeming qualities. He's not a good

00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.680
person. It's just, who cares? So I'm done. I'm

00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:56.980
done. 168 got nothing going on. 160 might have

00:31:56.980 --> 00:32:01.839
something going on because... Allegedly, reportedly,

00:32:02.059 --> 00:32:07.619
supposedly, Virgil Ortiz is moving up to 160

00:32:07.619 --> 00:32:15.859
pounds. Now, it was reported by the boxing source

00:32:15.859 --> 00:32:20.180
that they were looking at a fight with him and

00:32:20.180 --> 00:32:26.579
Jamel Charlo. And then they said that was fake

00:32:26.579 --> 00:32:30.579
news. But then... boxing scene comes on and says,

00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.299
yeah, they're looking at Jamal Charlo. And then

00:32:34.299 --> 00:32:38.460
10 minutes later, boxing scene says, oh, Jamal

00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:40.700
Charlo just called us. He said, that's not happening.

00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:46.880
He's fighting Tim Zhu. So no one knows what the

00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:52.740
fuck is going on with Virgil Ortiz. Okay? The

00:32:52.740 --> 00:32:57.680
only thing that people seem to agree on across

00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:02.059
the board, is that he is moving up to 160 pounds.

00:33:03.500 --> 00:33:07.859
But I do want to keep in mind to everybody, he

00:33:07.859 --> 00:33:11.539
himself has not officially announced that, nor

00:33:11.539 --> 00:33:15.299
has his people. But if he does move up to 160,

00:33:15.700 --> 00:33:21.160
that immediately makes the division more interesting.

00:33:21.819 --> 00:33:26.400
I said last week that 160 is not as bad as people

00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:31.230
think. I just said I was crazy for that. But

00:33:31.230 --> 00:33:35.150
I think 160 has some talent, but they just need

00:33:35.150 --> 00:33:39.329
to start fighting each other. And Tim Zhu just

00:33:39.329 --> 00:33:43.289
decided to move up to 160. Apparently, Jamel

00:33:43.289 --> 00:33:46.890
Charlo is decided to move up to 160. And now

00:33:46.890 --> 00:33:50.289
Virgil Ortiz is decided to move up to 160. So

00:33:50.289 --> 00:33:56.650
you got Charlo, Zhu, Ortiz, Lara, Yoel Hernandez,

00:33:57.069 --> 00:34:02.150
who we'll see tonight. Carlos Adames, Aaron McKenna,

00:34:02.329 --> 00:34:09.510
Denzel Bentley, Troy Isley, who fought and won

00:34:09.510 --> 00:34:15.110
last week. And we have Amari Jones, who might

00:34:15.110 --> 00:34:20.469
be the best of the bunch. 160. Very, very interesting.

00:34:22.309 --> 00:34:27.170
Let's make them fight each other. Nothing going

00:34:27.170 --> 00:34:33.760
on. At 154. I'm going to skip 147 for now because

00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:39.780
we'll come back to that. 140, nothing going on.

00:34:41.619 --> 00:34:48.860
135, apparently Andy Cruz is interested in a

00:34:48.860 --> 00:34:53.239
fight with William Zepeda. Hey, Andy Cruz, good

00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:57.389
luck getting that fight, buddy. Good luck getting

00:34:57.389 --> 00:35:01.949
any meaningful fight. He left Matchroom. He left

00:35:01.949 --> 00:35:06.650
Eddie Hearn. So who's going to be backing him

00:35:06.650 --> 00:35:09.590
now? Who's going to be subsidizing his fights?

00:35:13.030 --> 00:35:15.710
Andy Cruz could sell out a family picnic in Cuba.

00:35:16.889 --> 00:35:20.369
And somehow, we're going to put a lot of money

00:35:20.369 --> 00:35:23.889
behind him. I don't think so, buddy. If I'm Andy

00:35:23.889 --> 00:35:29.349
Cruz, bro. Take your ass to Zufa Boxing where

00:35:29.349 --> 00:35:33.510
you can get subsidized over there and you can

00:35:33.510 --> 00:35:38.269
fight at the apex. Okay? Maybe they can do an

00:35:38.269 --> 00:35:41.369
Andy Cruz versus Ryan Valenzuela fight. That

00:35:41.369 --> 00:35:51.050
I would love. 130. Navarrete versus Oshaki Forster

00:35:51.050 --> 00:35:58.989
seems to be ready to go. I cannot wait. The fans

00:35:58.989 --> 00:36:05.909
cannot wait. Mike, Huey, who are you favoring

00:36:05.909 --> 00:36:14.050
in that fight? I think I'm favoring Oshaki Foster

00:36:14.050 --> 00:36:16.550
in that fight. I just think style -wise, he has

00:36:16.550 --> 00:36:18.670
enough to give Navarrete problems and kind of

00:36:18.670 --> 00:36:20.130
negate some of the pressure that he's going to

00:36:20.130 --> 00:36:24.519
try to give. You don't sound confident. I'm not

00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:27.480
completely confident. Nav's dimensions and his

00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.639
style, I think, could give Shaq a lot of problems.

00:36:30.820 --> 00:36:32.679
I don't think, I think there's a path to victory

00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:34.739
for Nav in that fight. And I do think if it goes

00:36:34.739 --> 00:36:36.780
to a decision, Nav's style is more appealing

00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:42.539
to judges. Matt, you know, I got a little vaquero.

00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:48.260
His angles, I think he's going to come for some

00:36:48.260 --> 00:36:51.880
places that Shaq is not used to seeing. these

00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:53.920
punches come from. And I think he's going to

00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:59.119
catch them here and there. With that being said,

00:36:59.179 --> 00:37:01.260
though, he's going to leave himself open to get

00:37:01.260 --> 00:37:03.500
hit. So we'll see what Shaggy Foster can bring

00:37:03.500 --> 00:37:06.000
back, you know. Now let me ask you a question,

00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:10.960
to be honest. Is this Mike the boxing guy pick?

00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:21.349
Or is this Miguel Raraza pick? Never underestimate

00:37:21.349 --> 00:37:27.070
Miguel, okay? Never underestimate Miguel. Okay,

00:37:27.070 --> 00:37:32.070
Andy Miguel. Okay, and listen, I like Oshaki

00:37:32.070 --> 00:37:35.269
Foster. I feel the winner might be the fighter

00:37:35.269 --> 00:37:39.190
of the year. Oh, that's a great point. The winner

00:37:39.190 --> 00:37:41.349
might be fighter of the year. That's a great

00:37:41.349 --> 00:37:46.369
point. I haven't thought about that, but you're

00:37:46.369 --> 00:37:49.530
absolutely right. I hadn't thought about it in

00:37:49.530 --> 00:37:52.510
terms of NAV. For shock, I agree, but you might

00:37:52.510 --> 00:37:55.690
be right about NAV, too. Bro, Sugar Nunez and

00:37:55.690 --> 00:37:58.409
Oshaki Foster? Yeah. That's a very strong year.

00:38:02.570 --> 00:38:07.389
That is a very strong year. Now, the one thing

00:38:07.389 --> 00:38:10.869
that may or may not get in the way of the fight,

00:38:11.289 --> 00:38:18.579
the WBO did order Navarrete to rematch with Charlie

00:38:18.579 --> 00:38:22.519
Suarez, who really beat him, if we're being honest.

00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:34.099
But Navarrete is hoping that they will bypass

00:38:34.099 --> 00:38:41.039
this and let him take on Oshaki Foster. If you

00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:50.010
are the WBO, Do you allow the mandatory or do

00:38:50.010 --> 00:38:56.909
you force Navarrete to drop the belt in order

00:38:56.909 --> 00:39:00.610
to have this unification? I'm not going to call

00:39:00.610 --> 00:39:03.789
it a shakedown, but, you know, everybody wants

00:39:03.789 --> 00:39:06.650
to make sure they get their piece. So figure

00:39:06.650 --> 00:39:09.829
that out. And they think they should allow it.

00:39:09.829 --> 00:39:12.449
I think they should allow him to fight O'Shaughnessy

00:39:12.449 --> 00:39:15.320
Foster. Yeah, I think unification should always

00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:18.159
supersede any sort of mandatory or anything like

00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:19.639
that. So I think they should do what they can

00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.579
to allow that fight to happen. I do also want

00:39:22.579 --> 00:39:24.480
to bring in another guest here right now, founder

00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:27.059
of the Cornerstool Substack, Cliff Rold. Rold,

00:39:27.139 --> 00:39:28.780
what do you got to add on any of the topics that

00:39:28.780 --> 00:39:29.920
you were listening to before? I don't know how

00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:33.099
long you were waiting for a mic. Oh, I was just

00:39:33.099 --> 00:39:34.840
there for a second. I was just going to ask Matt,

00:39:35.059 --> 00:39:39.039
isn't there still a possibility that Suarez gets

00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:41.260
shifted to Lomachenko in the fall if Lomachenko

00:39:41.260 --> 00:39:46.349
comes back? I don't think so. I don't see Samson

00:39:46.349 --> 00:39:51.269
Lukowicz doing that. I really don't. People forget

00:39:51.269 --> 00:39:54.710
that Charlie Suarez signed with Samson Lukowicz.

00:39:55.530 --> 00:40:00.190
I think what's more likely is he'll do the same

00:40:00.190 --> 00:40:04.849
thing with Charlie Suarez that he did with Frank

00:40:04.849 --> 00:40:08.150
Sanchez, where you're going to have to pay us

00:40:08.150 --> 00:40:10.030
a substantial amount of money to step aside.

00:40:10.750 --> 00:40:12.590
And you need to guarantee us that you'll fight

00:40:12.590 --> 00:40:16.829
us next. Because according to Chris Mannix, Frank

00:40:16.829 --> 00:40:19.630
Sanchez got a million dollars to step aside to

00:40:19.630 --> 00:40:23.269
allow Moses Hatama to fight for the heavyweight

00:40:23.269 --> 00:40:27.449
belt. So I think that's what we'll see here.

00:40:27.530 --> 00:40:31.170
Cooler heads will prevail. Don't end up stepping

00:40:31.170 --> 00:40:34.909
aside. He'll probably sit on a shelf or fight

00:40:34.909 --> 00:40:37.889
a bunch of who shot John. while he waits for

00:40:37.889 --> 00:40:40.150
a real tight opportunity. But I don't think fighting

00:40:40.150 --> 00:40:42.809
Lomachenko makes sense. Why would he do that?

00:40:43.429 --> 00:40:47.289
He's going to fight against someone who's been

00:40:47.289 --> 00:40:52.289
campaigning at 135 for like five to seven years.

00:40:53.170 --> 00:40:55.329
So he's going to give up the size advantage.

00:40:58.010 --> 00:41:01.789
And he squatters Lomachenko like the same age.

00:41:02.409 --> 00:41:04.750
So it's not that we can say Yufa's on his side.

00:41:05.289 --> 00:41:09.969
Charlie Suarez is like 37, 38 years old. Like,

00:41:09.969 --> 00:41:14.250
Charlie Suarez, to me, he is a guy who is the

00:41:14.250 --> 00:41:17.750
quintessential work your way up the rankings,

00:41:18.150 --> 00:41:21.309
become a mandatory, get your one title opportunity,

00:41:21.590 --> 00:41:26.269
and ride off to the sunset kind of guy. So I

00:41:26.269 --> 00:41:30.170
don't think it's happening. And I don't think

00:41:30.170 --> 00:41:35.079
Lomachenko's coming back. Yeah, I wonder about

00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.639
that myself. Yeah, I don't think he's coming

00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:42.039
back. I think that was one of those, respectfully

00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.659
to your colleague, one of those Mike Carpenter

00:41:45.659 --> 00:41:49.820
reports that, you know, he was just putting shit

00:41:49.820 --> 00:41:53.900
out there that he might have thought was happening,

00:41:54.019 --> 00:41:57.619
but he couldn't really pin it down, but he wanted

00:41:57.619 --> 00:41:59.579
to be first on it, so he just threw it out there.

00:42:00.139 --> 00:42:03.519
I don't think it's happening. I truly don't.

00:42:06.860 --> 00:42:08.900
I would agree on the other proposition, though.

00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.280
Depending on what else anybody puts on the schedule,

00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:18.539
the winner of Foster and Navarrete is the frontrunner

00:42:18.539 --> 00:42:20.840
for fighter of the year. I don't know what that

00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:23.739
says for the year, but they would be the frontrunner

00:42:23.739 --> 00:42:26.059
at this point. We know what it says for the year.

00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.320
It's been a shit year. Oh, I know what it says

00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:32.320
for the year. Like, listen, if we're being honest,

00:42:32.619 --> 00:42:37.159
it hasn't been a great year. It hasn't been a

00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.719
great year. Like, this year has been so disappointing

00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:44.960
that Naoya Inoue is only going to fight one time

00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:49.159
this year. Think about that. Of all the stars

00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:54.420
in boxing, Naoya Inoue has been the most consistent

00:42:54.420 --> 00:42:57.659
with a hectic schedule. And he's only going to

00:42:57.659 --> 00:43:02.980
fight one time this year. So that just tells

00:43:02.980 --> 00:43:07.219
you where we're at with boxing. It just tells

00:43:07.219 --> 00:43:11.780
you where we're at, man. Now, since you're here,

00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:16.840
Cliff, and you are one of the brightest minds

00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:21.739
in boxing, we're going to get to Roley versus

00:43:21.739 --> 00:43:27.940
T .O. tonight. I want you to preview Roley versus

00:43:27.940 --> 00:43:32.289
T .O. because You wrote a lot of stuff on this

00:43:32.289 --> 00:43:37.829
fight. And I think it's very interesting, the

00:43:37.829 --> 00:43:42.510
stats and stakes for tonight's fight. So what's

00:43:42.510 --> 00:43:46.289
your thoughts on this matchup? So I think it's

00:43:46.289 --> 00:43:49.070
an interesting matchup. And this is the way I

00:43:49.070 --> 00:43:51.809
wrote the intro for the piece. It's a rare fight

00:43:51.809 --> 00:43:54.010
where you have two fighters who you don't really

00:43:54.010 --> 00:43:56.590
know what you're getting from fight to fight.

00:43:56.750 --> 00:43:59.360
Like, who are they really? Is Raleigh Romero

00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:03.500
the guy that needed a little bit of help to get

00:44:03.500 --> 00:44:06.719
by Jackson Martinez and Ismael Barroso? Is he

00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:08.800
the guy that when he stepped up his competition

00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.340
to Cruz and Tank, got run out of the ring? Is

00:44:12.340 --> 00:44:15.519
he the guy that absolutely punked Ryan Garcia

00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:17.860
last year? Same thing with Teal, right? Is he

00:44:17.860 --> 00:44:21.159
the guy who can beat a Lomachenko and a Taylor?

00:44:21.260 --> 00:44:24.150
Or is he the guy who... You know, need a little

00:44:24.150 --> 00:44:27.269
luck with the judges to get by Martin and get

00:44:27.269 --> 00:44:31.610
by Jermaine Ortiz, who managed to be the one

00:44:31.610 --> 00:44:33.809
guy that George Cambosos could beat who had a

00:44:33.809 --> 00:44:36.269
pulse, right? Like, what do you really have with

00:44:36.269 --> 00:44:39.230
these two guys? But one thing I would say is

00:44:39.230 --> 00:44:41.630
you have two guys who are offensively talented,

00:44:41.829 --> 00:44:45.070
and they're both inconsistent, and that could

00:44:45.070 --> 00:44:48.710
make for a really good fight. I just think that

00:44:48.710 --> 00:44:52.869
Teofimo Lopez is a natural counterpuncher. And

00:44:52.869 --> 00:44:55.170
Raleigh Romero only knows how to fight one way.

00:44:55.429 --> 00:44:58.869
And T .O. is sharper, straighter, more athletic,

00:44:59.050 --> 00:45:02.670
and quicker than Raleigh Romero. I think this

00:45:02.670 --> 00:45:04.449
is the kind of fight that you give a guy like

00:45:04.449 --> 00:45:09.250
Teofimo Lopez to make him look good. But, I mean,

00:45:09.269 --> 00:45:11.389
after the Ryan Garcia fight, you can't always

00:45:11.389 --> 00:45:17.110
count on Raleigh following the script. And Raleigh

00:45:17.110 --> 00:45:20.269
can hit hard. I mean, if he catches you, he can

00:45:20.269 --> 00:45:23.820
hit you. I do expect Lopez to stop Raleigh Romero

00:45:23.820 --> 00:45:26.159
tonight. I just think he's going to hit him too

00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:30.360
many times. Isaac Cruz is a come -forward guy,

00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:33.199
but he's not a killer puncher. And he eventually

00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:35.159
just stopped Raleigh Romero because he was too

00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:38.380
easy to hit. I think Lopez could find the same

00:45:38.380 --> 00:45:41.119
thing tonight, counter -punching off his back

00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:44.019
foot. But I expect an entertaining fight, and

00:45:44.019 --> 00:45:47.420
I give Romero credit for continuing to fight

00:45:47.420 --> 00:45:51.599
anybody. He doesn't really, he doesn't duck the

00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.059
smoke. I mean, he's not the reason that there's

00:45:54.059 --> 00:45:55.920
not a unification fight with Devin Haney right

00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:00.280
now. No, you're absolutely right. But here's

00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:05.760
the thing about Roley, right? I think he lost

00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:09.119
to Pitbull Cruz, obviously. But I thought he

00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:13.260
fought well against Pitbull. I thought that he

00:46:13.260 --> 00:46:16.000
actually boxed and moved well against Pitbull.

00:46:16.780 --> 00:46:21.360
until Pitbull caught up to him. Is Teofimo Lopez

00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:25.239
going to be the type of fighter that's going

00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:29.159
to be aggressive in that manner? I don't think

00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.159
so. I don't think Teo's a walk -em -down kind

00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:36.880
of guy. I think Teo is a sharp counter -puncher

00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:42.619
who wants you to lead. We've only seen Teo take

00:46:42.619 --> 00:46:46.579
the lead against Lomachenko. Is he going to take

00:46:46.579 --> 00:46:49.480
the lead against Roley? And if he does take the

00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.500
lead against Roley, is he going to be able to

00:46:52.500 --> 00:46:55.420
avoid counters? Because we talk about Roley being

00:46:55.420 --> 00:46:58.460
easy to hit. Tio Fimo ain't exactly hard to find

00:46:58.460 --> 00:47:05.059
either. You know? And I'm also wondering, does

00:47:05.059 --> 00:47:12.599
Tio's power translate to 147? And is it going

00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.219
to be a respectable kind of power? Because I

00:47:16.219 --> 00:47:21.960
kind of feel like at 140, his power wasn't respectable.

00:47:23.420 --> 00:47:26.500
Because I feel like guys weren't afraid of it.

00:47:26.579 --> 00:47:29.599
Guys felt like they could do what they wanted

00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:35.239
in the ring, I guess. Like, to me, Roley Romero

00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:39.619
has game plan change in power. Where you might

00:47:39.619 --> 00:47:42.099
have thought you wanted to do this, but he hits

00:47:42.099 --> 00:47:44.019
you and you're like, oh, you know what? Maybe

00:47:44.019 --> 00:47:48.409
we should do this. T .O. hasn't shown game plan

00:47:48.409 --> 00:47:53.449
change in power since he moved up from 135. So

00:47:53.449 --> 00:47:57.090
I'm wondering if he just had a major size advantage

00:47:57.090 --> 00:48:02.610
at 135 and he's more ordinary than extraordinary

00:48:02.610 --> 00:48:07.369
above that weight class. And that could very

00:48:07.369 --> 00:48:09.690
well be the case. I mean, one thing that gives

00:48:09.690 --> 00:48:12.949
me pause is we've seen Raleigh struggle with

00:48:12.949 --> 00:48:17.380
a lesser a lesser caliber of opponent than what

00:48:17.380 --> 00:48:20.800
makes Teofimo Lopez struggle. Jackson Martinez,

00:48:21.059 --> 00:48:22.920
I know it was early in his career, Raleigh was

00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.599
still learning, but Ismael Barroso was piecing

00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:32.059
him up and he was slow as molasses. Teofimo Lopez

00:48:32.059 --> 00:48:34.179
does not struggle with that level of fighter.

00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.900
And I know Ryan Garcia is a good win on paper,

00:48:38.059 --> 00:48:41.739
but I do wonder, you know, we haven't really

00:48:41.739 --> 00:48:46.300
seen Raleigh. even be super competitive. I mean,

00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:48.739
he had some decent rounds against Tank, but Tank

00:48:48.739 --> 00:48:51.860
was basically just measuring him. Cruz walked

00:48:51.860 --> 00:48:55.699
him down. I think that this fight will tell us

00:48:55.699 --> 00:48:57.820
a lot more about whether Raleigh Romero has improved

00:48:57.820 --> 00:49:01.159
or whether the Garcia fight was a little bit

00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:04.880
of a tempest in the tea kettle. I'm still not

00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.469
fully told that Raleigh Romero is a... I'm still

00:49:07.469 --> 00:49:09.469
not fully sold that Raleigh Romero is a good

00:49:09.469 --> 00:49:11.489
professional prize fighter. I mean, he's okay,

00:49:11.530 --> 00:49:13.389
but I'm not sold that he's actually all that

00:49:13.389 --> 00:49:17.510
good. So let me ask you about that. For most

00:49:17.510 --> 00:49:21.010
of his career, Raleigh Romero trained with Bullet

00:49:21.010 --> 00:49:26.570
Cromwell. And then before the Manuel Jaimes fight,

00:49:26.789 --> 00:49:33.090
he switched to Ishmael Salas. Now, to my eye,

00:49:33.269 --> 00:49:36.539
this is just to me. He looks like a completely

00:49:36.539 --> 00:49:40.460
different fighter under Silas than with Bullet

00:49:40.460 --> 00:49:43.460
Cromwell. He actually looks like he sinks in

00:49:43.460 --> 00:49:46.400
there. Like he's trying to implement a game plan.

00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:50.340
He's jabbing. He's jabbing to the stomach consistently.

00:49:50.699 --> 00:49:54.840
His jab has dramatically improved. Yeah. So,

00:49:54.840 --> 00:50:01.099
are we sure that this new and improved role that

00:50:01.099 --> 00:50:06.590
I see is just... On that level. Of a Ryan Garcia.

00:50:07.110 --> 00:50:10.030
And maybe that wasn't an anomaly. And maybe it's

00:50:10.030 --> 00:50:14.690
just who he is. Well I'm not even. One I'm not

00:50:14.690 --> 00:50:16.670
sure that Ryan Garcia's level. Is all that high

00:50:16.670 --> 00:50:18.369
anyways right. Like I think he's an extremely

00:50:18.369 --> 00:50:22.949
suspect fighter as well. I think all of this

00:50:22.949 --> 00:50:27.130
group. Outside of you know. Outside of maybe

00:50:27.130 --> 00:50:29.690
Shakur Stevenson. Like what makes them all interesting.

00:50:29.889 --> 00:50:32.639
Is that they are incomplete fighters. Um, it's

00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:34.519
not their fault that the press got carried away

00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:36.559
with labeling them early in their careers as

00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.360
more than they really were. Right. Like these

00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:41.599
are all heavily flawed fighters. Haney, um, even

00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:44.460
tank to a certain degree has, has flaws. Um,

00:50:44.820 --> 00:50:48.400
uh, that's what makes them interesting. I'm not

00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:50.440
sure. And that's why I find the fight interesting.

00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:53.179
Um, like I, as I said to you last night when

00:50:53.179 --> 00:50:55.360
we were chatting a little bit, um, I mean, if

00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:57.619
Raleigh wins, I think that's great. Um, I am

00:50:57.619 --> 00:51:00.179
not a, I'm not a big proponent of Tiafimo Lopez.

00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:03.940
Um, I find it hard to, uh, I find it hard to

00:51:03.940 --> 00:51:07.019
not want to see lose people who, uh, when they

00:51:07.019 --> 00:51:08.920
are in desperate need of attention or want to

00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.079
throw temper tantrums that they resort to slurs

00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:13.420
on the internet and stuff like that. Like, I

00:51:13.420 --> 00:51:16.679
think it speaks to poor character. Um, and, uh,

00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:19.360
and you know, I think it would be great. I'm

00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:22.340
just not sold that, that he is, that he is quite

00:51:22.340 --> 00:51:25.260
at that level of talent. Um, I hope I, I'd be

00:51:25.260 --> 00:51:27.280
interested to be proven wrong on that one. Um,

00:51:27.380 --> 00:51:29.139
but I mean, just based on the body of evidence,

00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:32.519
I still think. Lopez has a deeper tool bag than

00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:34.940
Raleigh Romero, but Raleigh Romero hit you a

00:51:34.940 --> 00:51:36.719
right hand and all hell breaks loose. So you

00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:41.300
never know. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Now

00:51:41.300 --> 00:51:49.719
I'm assuming based upon your analysis that you

00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:53.599
are favoring Tiafema Lopez to win tonight. I

00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:56.360
like Lopez by stoppage late in the fight. Yes.

00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:03.460
Hey man. Hey, If you guys respect what Cliff

00:52:03.460 --> 00:52:07.079
is saying, there's money on the floor with that

00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:10.639
Lopez stoppage. There's money on the floor with

00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:13.659
that Lopez stoppage, guys. If you're going to

00:52:13.659 --> 00:52:15.679
go there, Matt, I do have to caveat, because

00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:18.840
I always tell people this, never bet. I know

00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:20.840
a lot of people like to gamble on boxing. I would

00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.860
never bet on a sport where you can watch something

00:52:23.860 --> 00:52:26.960
for 12 rounds and see clearly what happened,

00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:30.960
and then they steal your money anyways. I can't

00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:32.920
imagine if you bet against Amanda Serrano last

00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:35.000
night how you were feeling when you heard 116

00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.599
-112. I couldn't believe it, Rold. I couldn't

00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:39.960
believe it. I couldn't believe it. I was like,

00:52:39.980 --> 00:52:42.440
wait. You couldn't believe it? Bullshit. You've

00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:45.500
been watching boxing long enough. You could smell

00:52:45.500 --> 00:52:51.739
it coming from a mile away. Boxing is boxing.

00:52:51.940 --> 00:52:54.380
It's why I advise people don't bet on this sport.

00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:58.539
The house is not going to give you back your

00:52:58.539 --> 00:53:01.159
money. when they rip you off. Imagine if you

00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:04.400
bet on Pernell Whitaker to beat Chavez back in

00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.360
the day. You went home empty -handed with a moral

00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:12.079
victory and pissed. Oh, I'm convinced. I don't

00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:14.760
think... I'm not unconvinced that one of the

00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:16.739
things that has hurt boxing more than anything

00:53:16.739 --> 00:53:18.579
over the years is the amount of money people

00:53:18.579 --> 00:53:21.480
have lost to shitty decisions. Yeah, I wouldn't

00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:26.639
be surprised. But... If I put my mortgage on...

00:53:27.900 --> 00:53:30.860
If I put my mortgage on the line and heard Lennox

00:53:30.860 --> 00:53:32.760
Lewis got a draw with Evander Holyfield in the

00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:34.420
first fight, I'd quit watching this motherfucker.

00:53:36.139 --> 00:53:38.659
But if you guys want to gamble on a sport and

00:53:38.659 --> 00:53:41.800
you want to listen to Rhodes, TFU by knockout

00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:49.840
is plus 450. Money on the floor, guys. Money

00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:54.619
on the floor. And if you got Roley winning, he's

00:53:54.619 --> 00:53:57.920
plus 240. But if you guys want to know my sure

00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:02.960
bet, I think someone will get knocked down. And

00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:08.579
that itself is plus 125. So to me, that's the

00:54:08.579 --> 00:54:10.900
best bet of the night. Just better knock down

00:54:10.900 --> 00:54:15.139
at plus 125. And you ain't even got to worry

00:54:15.139 --> 00:54:18.880
about who wins the fight. That's what I would

00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:23.869
do. Now, Cliff, in the co -feature. We got Yoel

00:54:23.869 --> 00:54:27.309
Hernandez versus Francisco Varone. We've heard

00:54:27.309 --> 00:54:31.409
so much about Yoel Hernandez really being the

00:54:31.409 --> 00:54:36.530
best guy at 160. He hasn't exactly shown it with

00:54:36.530 --> 00:54:41.949
his caliber of opponent. Where do you side with

00:54:41.949 --> 00:54:48.190
Yoel Hernandez? He might be the most well -schooled

00:54:48.190 --> 00:54:49.869
of the guys that are coming up in the division.

00:54:50.010 --> 00:54:57.139
He might be the guy. I mean, right now, I'm trying

00:54:57.139 --> 00:54:59.260
to figure out how to say this politely. Being

00:54:59.260 --> 00:55:04.400
the best middleweight in the world is kind of

00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:06.500
like winning the ugliest dog in the world contest.

00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.840
Middleweight is just, I mean, you might be the

00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:12.579
best in the division, but that still doesn't

00:55:12.579 --> 00:55:15.800
say how good of a fighter you are. Unfortunately,

00:55:16.099 --> 00:55:19.199
middleweight is waiting for either a rise in

00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:22.730
weight from guys at 154. or they need to go to

00:55:22.730 --> 00:55:24.989
168 I mean I think Adamas has proven to be a

00:55:24.989 --> 00:55:27.449
really good fighter um he clearly beat Hamza

00:55:27.449 --> 00:55:30.929
Shiraz and got the business um and Arislandi

00:55:30.929 --> 00:55:33.269
Lara is still a good fighter when we see him

00:55:33.269 --> 00:55:37.250
um but it's just it's it's it's a division full

00:55:37.250 --> 00:55:40.130
of opportunity it's waiting for somebody to to

00:55:40.130 --> 00:55:41.809
declare themselves the guy I think Hernandez

00:55:41.809 --> 00:55:44.710
is as good as anybody um but I don't look at

00:55:44.710 --> 00:55:46.730
it the same as I do at like super middleweight

00:55:46.730 --> 00:55:49.730
where you have Iglesias and you have a potential

00:55:49.730 --> 00:55:51.969
star on your hands because they have a style

00:55:51.969 --> 00:55:54.829
that people are going to want to watch. So, you

00:55:54.829 --> 00:55:56.269
know, we'll see. Hernandez is going to have to

00:55:56.269 --> 00:55:59.210
step up his competition. But, you know, I can

00:55:59.210 --> 00:56:00.969
see down the road a year or two from now where

00:56:00.969 --> 00:56:02.909
he would be an appealing opponent for a Boots

00:56:02.909 --> 00:56:05.389
Ennis or a Virgil Ortiz coming up in weight or

00:56:05.389 --> 00:56:08.369
a Sebastian Pandora coming up in weight. You

00:56:08.369 --> 00:56:11.650
know, like, you just have to figure out your

00:56:11.650 --> 00:56:13.489
spot at middleweight until somebody shows up

00:56:13.489 --> 00:56:16.650
that people want to see you fight. Well, supposedly,

00:56:18.789 --> 00:56:23.210
Virgil is on his way. Zoo says he's here. Jamel

00:56:23.210 --> 00:56:27.809
is supposedly on his way. I kind of feel like

00:56:27.809 --> 00:56:32.030
middleweight is interesting. They just need to

00:56:32.030 --> 00:56:35.369
fight each other. Why is it so hard for these

00:56:35.369 --> 00:56:38.250
guys to just face off against one another and

00:56:38.250 --> 00:56:41.510
let the chips fall where they may? Because there's

00:56:41.510 --> 00:56:44.030
no money in it. Like you could put two of the

00:56:44.030 --> 00:56:45.550
middleweight champions in the world together,

00:56:45.670 --> 00:56:47.849
two of the middleweight champions in the ring

00:56:47.849 --> 00:56:49.849
together right now, and there's no real money

00:56:49.849 --> 00:56:52.309
in it because nobody knows who any of them are.

00:56:53.050 --> 00:56:56.409
I mean, Aaron McKenna did a decent, did an okay

00:56:56.409 --> 00:56:58.389
crowd in Ireland, but they weren't falling out

00:56:58.389 --> 00:57:01.510
of the rafters for him. Adamas is not a guy who

00:57:01.510 --> 00:57:03.809
brings fans. I mean, one of the number one reasons

00:57:03.809 --> 00:57:06.170
we don't see unification sometimes for long periods

00:57:06.170 --> 00:57:08.750
of time is there's no market for the unification

00:57:08.750 --> 00:57:12.349
fights to happen. Right. Like it's and it's one

00:57:12.349 --> 00:57:15.329
of the sad parts of boxing. You know, like it's

00:57:15.329 --> 00:57:18.030
it's lack of structure requires somebody to be

00:57:18.030 --> 00:57:19.889
able to bring something to the table. Otherwise,

00:57:20.150 --> 00:57:22.269
you know, you can just sit and defend your belt

00:57:22.269 --> 00:57:24.130
for a while and wait for something to come along.

00:57:24.250 --> 00:57:25.869
I think that's why they're not fighting, because

00:57:25.869 --> 00:57:28.510
it doesn't pay to fight each other at all. Like

00:57:28.510 --> 00:57:31.309
it barely pays to fight, not each other. Like

00:57:31.309 --> 00:57:33.429
it's just there's not a lot of interesting things

00:57:33.429 --> 00:57:35.269
in the middleweight division. It needs a spark.

00:57:35.789 --> 00:57:38.409
Um, I think Virgil Ortiz coming to middleweight

00:57:38.409 --> 00:57:40.210
would be the best thing that could happen to

00:57:40.210 --> 00:57:43.190
it. If Jermel Charlo, uh, can come back, shake

00:57:43.190 --> 00:57:45.190
some rust off. Like, I think he could create

00:57:45.190 --> 00:57:48.170
some interest. Um, you know, but I mean, he hasn't

00:57:48.170 --> 00:57:49.750
fought in three years. We don't know what we

00:57:49.750 --> 00:57:53.050
have there. Um, so, you know, I do think there

00:57:53.050 --> 00:57:55.429
are things that could be interesting. I just,

00:57:55.449 --> 00:57:58.230
you know, it's not just that the champs need

00:57:58.230 --> 00:57:59.989
to fight each other. Like you need something

00:57:59.989 --> 00:58:02.250
to give it a spark to make people want to see

00:58:02.250 --> 00:58:04.409
a fight. There's nothing that makes anybody want

00:58:04.409 --> 00:58:09.650
to see anything right now. Yeah, I agree. I really

00:58:09.650 --> 00:58:12.190
need to see a good performance out of Yoel Hernandez

00:58:12.190 --> 00:58:25.530
tonight, man. Matt, you still with us? You cut

00:58:25.530 --> 00:58:28.809
off there. I don't think he dropped his phone

00:58:28.809 --> 00:58:41.409
at all. Yeah, it's tough at 160. It's like there's

00:58:41.409 --> 00:58:44.269
just not a great fighter there. But Ortiz does

00:58:44.269 --> 00:58:47.610
bring something I definitely want to see. I'm

00:58:47.610 --> 00:58:50.329
curious, too, how he'll adjust to that weight

00:58:50.329 --> 00:58:52.130
now that he can kind of be at full strength and

00:58:52.130 --> 00:58:59.429
not be killing himself. But they've still got

00:58:59.429 --> 00:59:03.030
to fight each other. Yeah, you just need a spark.

00:59:03.530 --> 00:59:05.789
And then you could get to something like Ortiz

00:59:05.789 --> 00:59:09.670
and Ennis at 160, which is where I think that

00:59:09.670 --> 00:59:12.070
fight will ultimately end up, is at 160 down

00:59:12.070 --> 00:59:21.550
the road. Yeah, my bad, guys. My phone reset.

00:59:22.409 --> 00:59:26.050
I got caught watching a Big Lex video, and yeah,

00:59:26.110 --> 00:59:28.090
my phone reset automatically. I don't know why.

00:59:28.650 --> 00:59:33.869
I was doing too much at once. But yeah, I agree.

00:59:34.030 --> 00:59:39.289
We're few in 160 years. But do you have any interest

00:59:39.289 --> 00:59:44.150
in this Gary Antonio -Russell -Victor -Centillion

00:59:44.150 --> 00:59:48.090
fight today, Cliff? That could be an interesting

00:59:48.090 --> 00:59:51.369
fight. I mean, I wouldn't mind seeing... I mean,

00:59:51.389 --> 00:59:55.690
look, Russell is unlikely to get himself, even

00:59:55.690 --> 00:59:57.570
though now he's fighting at 122. He's not going

00:59:57.570 --> 01:00:01.510
to get into the sweepstakes for Inouye. But...

01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:04.880
You know, if he can get a decent win, he could

01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:07.059
put himself in line for a guy like Nakatani,

01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:10.519
for a guy like Bam Rodriguez, whether Bam is

01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:13.280
coming off of a win over Inouye next year or

01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:15.199
he never fights him or he's coming off a loss.

01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.320
Like, there are some names that he can make some

01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:20.639
money with. Santillan, same thing. But, you know,

01:00:20.659 --> 01:00:23.559
I've followed the Russell brothers since Gary

01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:25.739
was at the Olympics. So it would be interesting

01:00:25.739 --> 01:00:28.079
to see if he could get himself a payday out of

01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:32.400
the back end of his career. Yeah, yeah. I agree.

01:00:32.539 --> 01:00:37.099
I agree. I can't wait for this card tonight.

01:00:38.380 --> 01:00:41.260
Really, because of the main event. This is one

01:00:41.260 --> 01:00:44.260
of those main events where literally anything

01:00:44.260 --> 01:00:49.380
can happen. It's a fun fight. Definitely is.

01:00:49.460 --> 01:00:57.199
Definitely is. Mike. Is Mike still with us? I

01:00:57.199 --> 01:00:59.440
am with you. What are your picks for tonight's

01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:06.980
card? The main event, man, something tells me,

01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:11.099
bro, he's winning tonight. I just really feel

01:01:11.099 --> 01:01:12.900
he's a better fighter than what people think,

01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:15.880
and I keep telling people it ain't 2023 no more.

01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:18.940
You know, the stuff that people want to point

01:01:18.940 --> 01:01:22.019
to me bad about it and the stuff that Tito's

01:01:22.019 --> 01:01:25.480
done good, really good, that's all in the past.

01:01:26.219 --> 01:01:31.460
New division, I really expect. I really expect

01:01:31.460 --> 01:01:34.239
Roller to be focused, super focused. And he's

01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:36.099
going to do the game plan that they gave to him.

01:01:36.139 --> 01:01:37.920
Whether it's a winning game plan, who knows?

01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:44.420
But I expect TLC to canvas tonight. Yeah, we

01:01:44.420 --> 01:01:50.500
have our guy, Zay Media, down there covering

01:01:50.500 --> 01:01:53.440
the fight on behalf of Bunch Boxing Shots and

01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:58.500
Zay Media. And he says that Ishmael Salas is

01:01:58.500 --> 01:02:02.130
really pissed. Because he doesn't like how people

01:02:02.130 --> 01:02:05.210
are clowning him and clowning Roley. He says,

01:02:05.230 --> 01:02:08.269
I'm not no clown, basically. Like, we're here

01:02:08.269 --> 01:02:12.989
to fight and we're here to win. So, I think he's

01:02:12.989 --> 01:02:16.190
going to give Roley the ultimate game plan. It's

01:02:16.190 --> 01:02:19.090
just a matter of Roley executing it. And to me,

01:02:19.210 --> 01:02:22.769
at least in the last two fights, Roley has shown

01:02:22.769 --> 01:02:27.369
the discipline to execute a game plan. So, I'm

01:02:27.369 --> 01:02:31.510
just very interested. And conversely, He looks

01:02:31.510 --> 01:02:37.670
like he's unraveling. Bro, like, please, like,

01:02:37.750 --> 01:02:41.210
you know, sometimes what's best for your son,

01:02:41.329 --> 01:02:43.670
and this is speaking for my father, is to literally

01:02:43.670 --> 01:02:48.469
step back and watch them grow and let them go

01:02:48.469 --> 01:02:50.489
with professionals and people who really know

01:02:50.489 --> 01:02:55.630
what they're doing. You know, so it's been tough.

01:02:56.219 --> 01:02:59.440
As a father to do that. But you got to do what's

01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:01.800
in best interest of your kid. You can only train

01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:04.699
your kids so far. No matter how much you love

01:03:04.699 --> 01:03:06.400
the sport. No matter how much you know the sport.

01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:08.739
There's just somebody that's better out than

01:03:08.739 --> 01:03:11.059
you. And it's best to hand them off to the next

01:03:11.059 --> 01:03:12.880
person. Whether it's in education, sports, or

01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:15.440
whatever, Matt. But I can see it being real tough

01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:19.400
why he doesn't want to let go. Yeah, they both

01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:22.400
need professional help. And I ain't talking about

01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:29.119
boxing. Exactly. So, you know, yeah, I can only

01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:33.780
imagine. I've never seen him ever take accountability

01:03:33.780 --> 01:03:38.079
for anything that goes wrong for Tito. It's always

01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:41.699
been put on Tito. You know, though, what's wrong

01:03:41.699 --> 01:03:43.900
with you, bro? Like, what kind of advice is that?

01:03:44.179 --> 01:03:50.179
Like, so. You're going to hate yourself, bro.

01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:57.579
Exactly. Like, that's just, I see that stuff

01:03:57.579 --> 01:04:00.860
and I think amateur hour. And I really do. And

01:04:00.860 --> 01:04:04.800
so I just would advise, you know, if I could,

01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:07.119
like, I think I tweeted this. I can only imagine

01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:10.559
what Teal would have been with the proper care

01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:13.300
and the proper training, you know, once he got

01:04:13.300 --> 01:04:15.719
to this level. You know, it's kind of interesting.

01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:21.960
You have Rolly Romero who recognized he needed

01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:24.920
something different. and he left Bullet Cromwell,

01:04:25.099 --> 01:04:27.519
even though it kind of ruined that relationship.

01:04:28.380 --> 01:04:32.400
And then you have T .O., who probably needs something

01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:36.159
different, probably recognizes it, but still

01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:41.780
won't pull the trigger on it. Yeah. Very, very

01:04:41.780 --> 01:04:47.559
interesting. Very interesting. We'll see. Also,

01:04:47.780 --> 01:04:53.260
in the Walter Waite division, you have... He

01:04:53.260 --> 01:04:56.000
shot Davis, supposedly is supposed to be announcing

01:04:56.000 --> 01:05:00.539
his fight. Funny enough, he made a post that

01:05:00.539 --> 01:05:02.860
he was announcing his fight this week. This week

01:05:02.860 --> 01:05:07.679
came and went, no fight. Devin Haney, still looking

01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:11.260
for a fight. What the fuck is going on at 147,

01:05:11.340 --> 01:05:17.380
man? I just know that people are no longer in

01:05:17.380 --> 01:05:21.780
charge of their career. And so they may say they

01:05:21.780 --> 01:05:23.920
are. They may think they can make any calls.

01:05:24.139 --> 01:05:30.019
But either that or they're cowards, these people,

01:05:30.179 --> 01:05:35.019
man. Because I just don't understand. They want

01:05:35.019 --> 01:05:37.360
everything easy or they don't want it at all.

01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:40.300
I really don't get it. I don't get it at all

01:05:40.300 --> 01:05:42.079
either, man. They should be fighting. But you

01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:45.780
know what? Salute to Rolly Romero, who continues.

01:05:46.730 --> 01:05:51.190
to fight anybody they present to him. He says

01:05:51.190 --> 01:05:54.590
he don't give a fuck. Let's fight. If it makes

01:05:54.590 --> 01:05:58.389
dollars, it makes sense. So I like that from

01:05:58.389 --> 01:06:01.730
Roley, man. I'm really looking forward to tonight's

01:06:01.730 --> 01:06:05.769
event. If I'm giving it an Ezra report card,

01:06:06.010 --> 01:06:08.329
I'm giving it an A -plus just on the main event

01:06:08.329 --> 01:06:16.800
alone. I do think that even though... We do have

01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:20.639
some fights that don't look sexy on paper. I

01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:23.599
think they're going to be good fights. Like,

01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:26.320
I do think the Antonio Russell -Centilion fight

01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:30.820
is going to be good. And I think Yoel Hernandez

01:06:30.820 --> 01:06:35.079
really needs a big performance, man. He really

01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:39.360
needs a big performance. Varong, interesting

01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:42.679
character. He did lose to Brandon McCann and

01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:45.730
Adams, if I'm not mistaken. but he also beat

01:06:45.730 --> 01:06:50.429
Roy Medea recently. He's number four. I don't

01:06:50.429 --> 01:06:54.429
think he's really four to 160. Yeah, I don't

01:06:54.429 --> 01:06:58.789
think he's four to 160. So since the move, I

01:06:58.789 --> 01:07:05.610
don't know, man. Marco Romero, who is a prospect

01:07:05.610 --> 01:07:09.130
I've been watching for about two years, he's

01:07:09.130 --> 01:07:12.230
on this card. I find that to be pretty interesting.

01:07:13.539 --> 01:07:16.420
Jordan, the Iceman Roach, who's Lamar Roach's

01:07:16.420 --> 01:07:17.940
little brother, is going to be on this card.

01:07:18.619 --> 01:07:21.079
It's a lot of interesting things going on with

01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:25.679
this card tonight. If you guys like boxing and

01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:29.900
you want to see who's got now or who's got next,

01:07:30.219 --> 01:07:34.239
this is a great card for you. It's a great card.

01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:37.199
If you're just looking for the sexy names, you're

01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:38.920
not going to get that. But if you're looking

01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:42.760
to see who might be the guys in boxing, of the

01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:46.139
future, this is a great card. We may be having

01:07:46.139 --> 01:07:49.820
a friend of the show, J .R. Bell from the Boxing

01:07:49.820 --> 01:07:51.860
Source, joining shortly to add on this. I sent

01:07:51.860 --> 01:07:54.400
him the link, so if he does, we'll get back to

01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:56.280
it. I just wanted to give you a heads up. Matt,

01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:58.800
apparently this fight is for the winners, too.

01:07:58.860 --> 01:08:00.760
People don't want to see T .U. anymore, really.

01:08:00.860 --> 01:08:04.960
They think the loser has to go away. So... A

01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:07.619
loser leaves town match? Loser leaves town match,

01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:13.460
you know. I don't, you know... What is it about

01:08:13.460 --> 01:08:21.739
Roley that people don't fuck with? I think people

01:08:21.739 --> 01:08:24.359
just hate that people could be that, still have

01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:28.220
good success without not being polished all the

01:08:28.220 --> 01:08:32.659
way around with Roley. Obviously, he's still

01:08:32.659 --> 01:08:34.760
learning another job. He started fighting a little

01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:38.479
bit later. But there's a lot of boxing snobs

01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:41.479
that... It only can be done one way, and that's

01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:43.100
the only way you can have success. And I think

01:08:43.100 --> 01:08:47.739
he's had a successful career so far, whether

01:08:47.739 --> 01:08:50.659
people like that or not. And, you know, obviously

01:08:50.659 --> 01:08:55.199
people don't, you know, so. It kind of reminds

01:08:55.199 --> 01:09:00.220
me of the backlash against Deontay Wilder. Hey,

01:09:00.300 --> 01:09:02.239
he's not conventional when it comes to boxing,

01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:05.479
so we hate him. It kind of feels that way to

01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:09.699
Roley, man. Like, I understand he. It's not always

01:09:09.699 --> 01:09:13.180
pretty and it's not conventional. But, bro, you

01:09:13.180 --> 01:09:16.300
have a guy that's willing to get in the ring

01:09:16.300 --> 01:09:24.159
with anybody. And a guy who really puts his best

01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:26.779
foot forward every single time. You would think

01:09:26.779 --> 01:09:29.840
that people would respect that. I don't get it

01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:33.699
at all. Joining us now is friend of the show,

01:09:33.859 --> 01:09:35.880
founder of the Boxing Source, host of the longest

01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:38.260
running boxing show on YouTube, J .R. Bell, J

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.B .Z. How you doing today? Yeah, what's going

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on, Brunch Boxing? What's going on, everybody?

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J .B .Z. What up? After you get into what you

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get into, I got to talk to you, man, because

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you have started a big controversy in the boxing

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world. So we'll get to that. But first, give

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us your analysis on tonight's event. All right.

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We have the fight card that is at the T -Mobile

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Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, of course, headlined

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by the WBA welterweight title fight between Rolando

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Rodri Romero and Teofimo Lopez. That particular

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fight made an event. It's a really intriguing

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fight with two guys that, you know, not that

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many fight fans kind of. gravitate towards in

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a sense, but it's something where you could have

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two styles that could, you know, really give

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you some intrigue. The thing with Rolly Romero,

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as mentioned, you know, with being with Ismael

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Silas, that's kind of changed his game a little

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bit since, you know, with him being with Bullet

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Cromwell, he's kind of implemented a game plan

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of sorts. And we saw that last year when he defeated

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Ryan Garcia. I want to see like how that's going

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to be implemented against Teofimo Lopez. And

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it's like you were saying, and what we saw, you

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know, over the course of this fight week is that

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Ismael Salas is almost like being overlooked

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and kind of, you know, being, I would say, quote,

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quote, verbally bullied there. You saw that in

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the press conference and you see them like go

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off in a sense about that. I think he's going

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to, you know, try to get Rolly to. implement

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a game plan and stick with this game plan. And

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then we're going to see what's going to go on

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with Teofimo Lopez if he ends up being behind

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early in this particular fight. And if that,

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you know, we're going to see there over in his

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corner, what happened to your power, bro? If

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we're going to see something like that again,

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you know, I know that the odds makers are favoring

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Teofimo Lopez for this fight. But for me, it's

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still like up in the air as far as like what

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he can do. especially if he has to take the lead

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in this fight and be the aggressor. So for me,

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I'm leaning towards Rolly Romero to take it by

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decision on that. For you, Winley Hernandez.

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Francisco Varone, you got Francisco Varone that's

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had a couple of fights there on Pro Box. You've

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kind of seen this story with the number of the

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Pro Box fighters that have had some success and

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be able to go up to these fights either on top

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rank or PBC. But you're going up against one

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of the better fighters there in the middleweight

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division, probably within the top four at middleweight

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there with Yohane Hernandez. But, you know, as

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you were saying, you know, I expect a big performance

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from Yohane Hernandez. And, you know, for him

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to show that Verone shouldn't really be in the

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ring with him. So I expect the early stoppage

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victory for Yohane Hernandez on that. Your guy,

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Gary Antonio Russell. He's back tonight. Is he

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going to finally live up to that potential? We

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got to see. I haven't seen much of his opponent

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that he has here coming up. And for Gary Antonio

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Russell, he's been in a couple of fights that

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have been round six and eight rounders. One of

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them on Pro Box was pretty much around eight

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rounds. I've got to see how he'll show up against

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what he has in front of him. I know that this

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is an opportunity to get within that top area

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there within 122. So he would want to have a

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good performance there. So he has that that's

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in front of him. And for Gary Russell Jr. to

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see if he could guide his middle brother there

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to a world championship. I'm favoring this, but

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you still got to see because, again, Antonio

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hasn't really been in the ring in a 10 -round

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or a 12 -round fight in some time now. So that's

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the thing I got to look at for that one. Yeah,

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yeah. Someone who bricks you up, I want to talk

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about Carlos Utrilla, who was the 2025 Boxing

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Scene Prospect of the Year. And he also won the

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WBC Grand Prix at Junior Welterweight. Have you

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seen much of Utrecht? And if so, what are your

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thoughts on him as a prospect? No, I haven't

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seen much from Utrecht as a prospect. And, you

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know, they did have that recent signing there,

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you know, for him. And with, you know, with...

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the uh marco romero el tabrón so this is like

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you know the first you know fights that they're

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featuring these two fighters um you know i'd

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like to see you know what lucha could do here

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um like i said 14 and 11 wins by knockout um

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so this is going to be something because he's

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going to be put right into uh the spotlight here

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being the opener on the pay -per -view uh presentation

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uh there but Like I was just mentioning there,

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getting that win over undefeated Tursunov kind

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of put him a little bit more in the spotlight

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here. Bro, who gives a shit about that fucking

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fight? You know what it is? This one really pisses

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me off. Like, people see these Eurasian names

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and they automatically assume you must be good.

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Who gives a fuck? Who gives a fuck about this

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Uzbek? Bro, who the fuck does Uzbek ever beat?

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That a win over him was a big win. Come on, dog.

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We gotta stop that. Hey, we gotta start supporting

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our own fighters. the way y 'all motherfuckers

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support these Eurasians. Like, you got people

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who, as soon as they see somebody's from a fucking

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Eurasian country. Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan. As

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soon as they see that, they automatically overrate

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them. Can we stop overrating our own fighters,

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please? Goddamn. That shit drives me crazy. But,

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yeah, for my official picks, just to put it on

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wax, because we're going to put it out there.

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I'm taking Rolando, Rolly Romero, and I am taking

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him by stoppage, okay? I'm taking Rolly by stoppage,

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and my confidence level for that one is a four,

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all right? In the co -feature, I'm taking Yoel

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Hernandez by stoppage, and my confidence level

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for that one is a five. And then Gary Antonio

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Russell versus Victor Santillan. I'm taking Gary

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Antonio Russell by decision. And my confidence

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level for that one is a five. I think he shows

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out tonight. Okay. So a four, a five, and a five.

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For those who are wondering where's Ezra, Ezra

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did submit his official picks. Ezra will be going

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head to head against me. He is taking Tiafema

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Lopez by decision. And his confidence is a three

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on that one. He's taken Yoeli Hernandez by stoppage.

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His confidence is a five. And then he's taking

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Gary Antonio Russell by decision. And his confidence

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is a three. If you want to know who's winning

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the picks contest between me and Ezra. I'm kicking

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his fucking ass, so you really don't have to

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really wonder. Like, I have a wide lead. So hopefully,

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for Ezra's sake, he can cut into the lead a little

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bit today. Now, JBZ, you became one of the biggest

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boxing stories in the boxing media over the last

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week when... On your show, The Box and Source,

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my guy, Joseph Heron, Oral Week Radio, dropped

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a little nugget on your show. That little nugget

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was that there are discussions for Virgil Ortiz

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to fight Jermel Charlo, according to Robert Garcia.

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who is, hey, you know what? I won't say anything.

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I'm going to let you talk. Preserve your comments,

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I guess. Yeah, I'll preserve my comments. Now,

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from what I heard, that fight was 100 % on the

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table. All of a sudden, you had boxing media

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guys like Francisco Salazar and of that ilk.

01:19:35.140 --> 01:19:41.220
Yep. Trying to call you the boxing source. Fake

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news. I got to tell you, I did not appreciate

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that. And then you had guys who were trying to

01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:57.279
call you fake news. The same day, all of a sudden,

01:19:57.399 --> 01:20:00.840
they all have Virgil Ortiz stories. And then

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all of a sudden, boxing scene comes out and says,

01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:06.180
oh, you know what? There is legs to Virgil Ortiz

01:20:06.180 --> 01:20:10.079
versus Jamal Charlo. And then 10 minutes later,

01:20:10.100 --> 01:20:11.840
they say, oh, Jamal Charlo just called us. He's

01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:14.899
fighting Tim Zhu. What the hell is going on with

01:20:14.899 --> 01:20:18.760
that situation? Well, you know, for those that

01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:22.800
are not familiar, on last Sunday, or Sunday,

01:20:23.260 --> 01:20:26.699
it had Joseph Heron drop a couple of nuggets

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in reference to two fighters that are... within

01:20:30.020 --> 01:20:33.159
Robert Garcia's camp in this first one here with

01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:36.899
Virgil Ortiz Jr. They said that they were looking

01:20:36.899 --> 01:20:40.560
to have Virgil Ortiz Jr. fight Jamel Charlo at

01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:43.579
160 and they were trying to angle it to be at

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the American Airlines Center in Dallas, Texas.

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Now, what is interesting about this, as Matt

01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:53.220
mentioned, or at least with the boxing scene,

01:20:53.420 --> 01:20:57.939
is that they put out something in reference of

01:20:57.939 --> 01:21:02.199
Virgil Ortiz and that Charlo was a potential

01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:05.619
opponent, but they weren't the only ones that

01:21:05.619 --> 01:21:10.399
posted something like that. Earlier on the weekend,

01:21:10.739 --> 01:21:16.739
folks from the ring posted a similar thing. They

01:21:16.739 --> 01:21:20.260
just didn't say who the opponent was going to

01:21:20.260 --> 01:21:23.760
be. And they said that, hey, they were speaking

01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:29.699
with Virgil Ortiz's manager. But when that was

01:21:29.699 --> 01:21:35.520
told to Joseph Heron by Robert Garcia and I posted

01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:40.640
it on X, people just went absolutely nuts. But

01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:44.880
it kind of says something about media in general

01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:48.920
when it comes to news, particularly of a certain

01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:55.760
level, is that they don't like it when they don't

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get. the news or they don't have the opportunity

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to break the news. That was a clear example right

01:22:02.180 --> 01:22:06.380
there. Whether they get something that has some

01:22:06.380 --> 01:22:09.819
legs or if it's something that's been put out

01:22:09.819 --> 01:22:13.659
there and eventually it doesn't happen, if it

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breaks, then they want to be the ones on it,

01:22:16.220 --> 01:22:20.159
especially if they're working full -time with

01:22:20.159 --> 01:22:26.199
Boston. With this, hey, That's something that

01:22:26.199 --> 01:22:29.760
was told, and it was told to Brother Joseph,

01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:34.340
and he's been in boxing for over 30 years. Just

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so we're clear, he spoke to Robert Garcia directly.

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Yes, and that clip is also posted on the ex account.

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He posted that particular clip where he talked

01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:56.930
about Robert Garcia telling him about Virgil

01:22:56.930 --> 01:23:00.670
Ortiz Jr. and Jesse Bam Rodriguez. He talked

01:23:00.670 --> 01:23:03.890
about Bam Rodriguez first and then the thing

01:23:03.890 --> 01:23:08.810
with Virgil Ortiz. Okay. So with that being said,

01:23:08.949 --> 01:23:12.710
that's one. And then two, me being in the game

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for almost 10 years. And like I said, I'm not

01:23:15.550 --> 01:23:19.550
here full time, but again, I'm not going on here.

01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:23.359
being like, who was the dude that was just posting

01:23:23.359 --> 01:23:26.079
everything and got traction on it, whether it

01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:27.800
was true or not? Who was that guy? Oh, you're

01:23:27.800 --> 01:23:32.479
talking about... Oh, shoot. You're talking about

01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:36.380
Greg Leone. Oh, whoa. Not Greg Leone. You don't

01:23:36.380 --> 01:23:38.020
remember the Boxing Talk website where he would

01:23:38.020 --> 01:23:40.859
put the fake interviews? Oh, no, no, no. I'm

01:23:40.859 --> 01:23:42.760
talking about the one that was on X that was

01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:45.119
like posting, almost like posting other people's

01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:47.909
stories or posting stuff that... Talking about

01:23:47.909 --> 01:23:52.989
Michael Benson? Yes, Michael Benson. I'm not

01:23:52.989 --> 01:23:57.930
somebody like that. Folks know my track record.

01:23:58.090 --> 01:24:00.710
Folks know that I've been in a bunch of these

01:24:00.710 --> 01:24:03.909
events and everything like that. I don't play

01:24:03.909 --> 01:24:06.569
that stuff as far as throwing out stories and

01:24:06.569 --> 01:24:08.050
seeing if something sticks. I don't do that.

01:24:10.109 --> 01:24:17.460
We don't do necessarily satire over here. So

01:24:17.460 --> 01:24:19.739
with that thing there with Virgil Ortiz Jr. and

01:24:19.739 --> 01:24:24.039
Jamel Charlo, if that's what was told to Brother

01:24:24.039 --> 01:24:26.760
Joseph, then he tells me that that's what it

01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:30.239
is. And I see that as not a bad fight at all,

01:24:30.300 --> 01:24:34.520
especially at 160 pounds and something for Virgil

01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:39.000
Ortiz Jr. to make an impact here for his first

01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:46.819
fight of 2026. Why not? Yeah. Honestly, I was

01:24:46.819 --> 01:24:57.260
just a little annoyed at Francisco Salazar, who

01:24:57.260 --> 01:25:01.739
is a boxing reporter, trying to quote tweet you,

01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:05.460
almost like to debunk you or some shit like that.

01:25:05.899 --> 01:25:08.699
That just really ticked me off. I thought it

01:25:08.699 --> 01:25:12.359
was tasteless. Because let me tell you something,

01:25:12.500 --> 01:25:17.720
all right? Whether or not... Robert Garcia proves

01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:22.399
to be a reliable source I have zero doubt in

01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:30.560
my mind that he said it okay and I have my own

01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:35.279
experience with Robert Garcia which I'm gonna

01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:41.840
expose right now okay who this Robert Garcia

01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:50.000
guy okay when Shakur Stevenson was supposed to

01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:55.260
fight William Zepeda the first time, back when

01:25:55.260 --> 01:26:02.039
it went to purse bid for the WBC belt. And Raymond

01:26:02.039 --> 01:26:05.300
Moritaya, who was also Robert Garcia's fighter,

01:26:05.460 --> 01:26:11.420
was supposed to be next up. I was asking the

01:26:11.420 --> 01:26:16.060
question, hey, is... When was the painter going

01:26:16.060 --> 01:26:19.500
to make a decision? Or is this going to fall

01:26:19.500 --> 01:26:25.380
to Raymond Marataya? And I'm talking to Robert

01:26:25.380 --> 01:26:29.640
Garcia about it, literally through text, telling

01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:36.899
him the situation. And he is tweeting out my

01:26:36.899 --> 01:26:40.560
text messages to him about the very situation

01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:46.359
on X. Oh, my God. And then. I guess he was contacted

01:26:46.359 --> 01:26:53.319
by someone and deleted all the tweets and then

01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:58.180
said that it wasn't him that was tweeting. When

01:26:58.180 --> 01:27:00.859
I know for a fact it was him that it was him

01:27:00.859 --> 01:27:05.239
tweeting because he was repeating word for word

01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:07.340
everything that I was telling him in the moment.

01:27:09.779 --> 01:27:13.680
Word for word, bar for bar. Bar for bar. So for

01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:17.630
me, Respectfully, and Robert Lafayette, I'm sure

01:27:17.630 --> 01:27:19.409
he's a great guy. I'm sure he's a great guy.

01:27:19.489 --> 01:27:24.350
But for me, when it comes to anything with boxing

01:27:24.350 --> 01:27:29.210
news and rumors and stuff, bro, this motherfucker

01:27:29.210 --> 01:27:35.449
will double talk. For me, I have no doubt that

01:27:35.449 --> 01:27:40.250
he said it. Somebody probably told him, hey,

01:27:40.390 --> 01:27:42.590
this is not out there. You shouldn't say that.

01:27:43.180 --> 01:27:47.100
And now he's like, let me clarify. I didn't say

01:27:47.100 --> 01:27:50.039
that. I'm saying he's an option, but also this,

01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:57.579
this, and this. And I personally don't like that

01:27:57.579 --> 01:28:01.880
a reporter like Francisco Salazar decided to

01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:04.899
make it look like you were fake news when anybody

01:28:04.899 --> 01:28:11.260
with any modicum of honesty in the boxing media.

01:28:12.329 --> 01:28:14.329
knows that Robert Garcia be on some bullshit.

01:28:16.590 --> 01:28:18.890
And I'm just going to leave it at that. So for

01:28:18.890 --> 01:28:23.250
all you boxing fans, for all you boxing fans

01:28:23.250 --> 01:28:30.029
that's out there trying to come at my guy, just

01:28:30.029 --> 01:28:35.930
know who you're talking about. Okay? I know a

01:28:35.930 --> 01:28:37.710
lot of you guys don't know who's who in boxing

01:28:37.710 --> 01:28:40.029
and who's reliable, who's this, who's that. Well,

01:28:40.069 --> 01:28:45.000
I'm here to tell you. that it gets no more reliable

01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:51.760
than the boxing source. You know, being who I've

01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:55.180
been over the past 10 years plus in, you know,

01:28:55.180 --> 01:28:58.699
my reputation and things like that, you know,

01:28:58.699 --> 01:29:02.140
Brother Matt is not, you know, hasn't been the

01:29:02.140 --> 01:29:04.619
only person that I've brought into the boxing

01:29:04.619 --> 01:29:08.640
media space. Okay. So that's for, you know, some

01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:14.399
folks to kind of like note. Especially that I

01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:17.260
brought in multiple people that look like me

01:29:17.260 --> 01:29:21.300
into the boxing media space. And I think that

01:29:21.300 --> 01:29:25.579
some of these other media members that aren't

01:29:25.579 --> 01:29:29.899
like me don't like that I bring people that look

01:29:29.899 --> 01:29:33.159
like me in the media space. Because for a good

01:29:33.159 --> 01:29:37.020
amount of time in boxing media, it's been just

01:29:37.020 --> 01:29:43.029
them. Hey, I'm going to tell you right now, that

01:29:43.029 --> 01:29:52.829
definitely had to change. Absolutely. Absolutely.

01:29:53.770 --> 01:30:00.569
But you know what? I'm going to probably text

01:30:00.569 --> 01:30:04.289
Francisco Salazar and just say, hey, Francisco,

01:30:04.689 --> 01:30:12.180
fuck you. Just make it a gif, Matt. Make it a

01:30:12.180 --> 01:30:15.020
gif. Yeah, I don't like shit like that. Listen,

01:30:15.140 --> 01:30:16.920
because they be trying to do that to me sometimes.

01:30:17.100 --> 01:30:19.600
I don't like that. That shit be pissing me off.

01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:26.840
Dan Rayfield. Son of a bitch. But anyway. Yeah,

01:30:26.899 --> 01:30:30.060
I just wanted to get into that, man. I don't

01:30:30.060 --> 01:30:32.699
really got any other news to talk about. I see

01:30:32.699 --> 01:30:35.199
Brick Squad said that I'd be hyping up Abel Mendoza,

01:30:35.239 --> 01:30:37.659
Cordell Booker. Yeah, because they're American.

01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:40.840
You're goddamn right, motherfucker. Why don't

01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:44.300
you try it? Hype up some Americans, buddy. USA!

01:30:45.260 --> 01:30:48.220
USA! Hype up some fucking Americans. Stop hyping

01:30:48.220 --> 01:30:51.460
up these fucking Eurasians. Jay Beasley, before

01:30:51.460 --> 01:30:54.000
we close out the show today, why don't you tell

01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:55.500
the people where they can find you and what you

01:30:55.500 --> 01:30:59.079
got coming this week? You got, of course, the

01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:01.979
channel The Boxing Source, the website TheBoxingSource

01:31:01.979 --> 01:31:04.600
.net, so you can look up The Boxing Source on

01:31:04.600 --> 01:31:08.800
social media. We'll have The Boxing Source podcast

01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:14.119
on Sunday coming up at 7 .30 p .m. Eastern time.

01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:19.319
Next week, I'm working on seeing if I can get

01:31:19.319 --> 01:31:22.640
in contact with Brother Jalil Hackett, see if

01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:26.260
I can catch up with him. I think there's supposed

01:31:26.260 --> 01:31:29.739
to be something going on there with Christine

01:31:29.739 --> 01:31:34.000
Rock next week. So I got to look more into that

01:31:34.000 --> 01:31:37.279
because she has another fight coming up. Oh,

01:31:37.300 --> 01:31:40.439
man. Shout out to Sean Rock. And listen, shout

01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:45.920
out to Big Lex, man. Shout out to Big Lex, who

01:31:45.920 --> 01:31:50.310
is not the little one. And she beat the hell

01:31:50.310 --> 01:31:55.609
out of Taheski last week, Krishan Rock's sister.

01:31:56.170 --> 01:32:01.789
All right? That Clarissa Shields event was one

01:32:01.789 --> 01:32:07.130
of the biggest boxing events of the year. It

01:32:07.130 --> 01:32:10.270
was crazy. It was crazy. It really was crazy.

01:32:11.250 --> 01:32:15.369
So shout out to her. Shout out to Clarissa Shields,

01:32:15.369 --> 01:32:18.289
man. Speaking of that, I gotta catch up with

01:32:18.289 --> 01:32:23.569
Troy Osley. Thank you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:23.689 --> 01:32:26.970
Hey, yeah. I gotta catch up with Troy Osley,

01:32:27.069 --> 01:32:31.010
too. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see what's going

01:32:31.010 --> 01:32:34.170
on. But shout out to Clarissa Shields, who is,

01:32:34.189 --> 01:32:38.590
once again, unified middleweight champion. She's

01:32:38.590 --> 01:32:42.130
gonna go find disputers, so all you women that

01:32:42.130 --> 01:32:45.260
have been talking shit, All you women that want

01:32:45.260 --> 01:32:49.960
to fight her, Tammy Tibble, hey, listen, Clarissa

01:32:49.960 --> 01:32:52.819
Shields, she ain't the type of person to wait

01:32:52.819 --> 01:32:57.439
for long. All right? She come right at you. So

01:32:57.439 --> 01:32:59.739
if you think you're ready to take that test,

01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:04.939
it's going to be a very, very interesting time

01:33:04.939 --> 01:33:10.260
in women's boxing. Before we get out of here,

01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:16.439
Last night, MVP had another card out at Pechanga

01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:19.960
Casinos on TikTok. Did you watch any of the card

01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:26.079
yesterday, JBZ? Watched it on YouTube. Watched

01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:30.680
it on YouTube. They did feature it on TikTok,

01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:35.979
but there had been a few comments about one of

01:33:35.979 --> 01:33:40.739
the people that was announcing on TikTok. I only

01:33:40.739 --> 01:33:43.859
spent one minute on TikTok and went right back

01:33:43.859 --> 01:33:48.680
on YouTube. Come on, Sophie Rayne. Yeah, I guess

01:33:48.680 --> 01:33:51.140
so, man. I ain't gonna hold you. Sophie Rayne

01:33:51.140 --> 01:33:56.579
fine as shit. Sophie Rayne fine as shit. I'm

01:33:56.579 --> 01:34:00.319
sorry, but I couldn't take one minute of that.

01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:09.300
Hey, man. After that card, I did some Googles.

01:34:09.949 --> 01:34:12.189
You get some Googles? Because I heard she got

01:34:12.189 --> 01:34:19.510
OnlyFans. Oh, no. So I did some Googles to see

01:34:19.510 --> 01:34:22.649
what kind of content she posted. Hey, come on,

01:34:22.649 --> 01:34:32.350
man. Hey, man. Hey, man. Hey, man. You know what?

01:34:32.449 --> 01:34:34.189
This is the time where Ezra would say this is

01:34:34.189 --> 01:34:39.399
a family show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, shout out

01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:42.760
to Sophie Ray, man. Hey, TBC, get a hold of her,

01:34:42.779 --> 01:34:47.739
please. No. Hey, come on, man. You had Sophie

01:34:47.739 --> 01:34:52.039
Ray commentating, and you had your girl right

01:34:52.039 --> 01:34:55.840
here, Roxy, on the fight card. Oh, my God. I

01:34:55.840 --> 01:34:59.300
could imagine you was. Oh, man. And Jocelyn Camarillo.

01:34:59.779 --> 01:35:04.890
Oh, man. Okay. Hey, you know what? Hey. We'll

01:35:04.890 --> 01:35:07.409
be back tonight with the post -fight edition

01:35:07.409 --> 01:35:10.590
of Bunch Boxing before this turns into something

01:35:10.590 --> 01:35:15.449
else. Yeah. All right. Shout -out to the listeners,

01:35:15.869 --> 01:35:21.949
Trill, Brick Squad. Shout -out to Mike for joining

01:35:21.949 --> 01:35:24.909
us today. Shout -out to Jay Beasley for joining

01:35:24.909 --> 01:35:32.460
us, Grit, Sibby, Basquiat, yo bitch ass. Yeah,

01:35:32.460 --> 01:35:35.359
shout out to Ezra for not joining the show today.

01:35:35.619 --> 01:35:39.220
Go check out what Cliff writes at his sub stack,

01:35:39.359 --> 01:35:42.520
The Cornerstool. Yes, absolutely. Shout out to

01:35:42.520 --> 01:35:45.819
Cliff Rold. And we got a couple of articles about

01:35:45.819 --> 01:35:50.699
the main event at theboxingsource .net. So y

01:35:50.699 --> 01:35:53.239
'all check it out. Yeah, absolutely, man. But

01:35:53.239 --> 01:35:54.920
this has been another edition of Brunch Boxing.

01:35:55.739 --> 01:36:00.539
Here's our host, Ezra Boxing. He is our COO of

01:36:00.539 --> 01:36:03.220
the Mexican Alhambra, Mike. He is our super producer,

01:36:03.380 --> 01:36:07.100
Huey P. I am Matt. We are Brunch Boxing, and

01:36:07.100 --> 01:36:08.340
we are out.