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Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good

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night, wherever you're on the world. This is

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Bunch Boxing. I'm your host, Matt. This is going

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to be a very, very great show for you guys today.

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But we got to get it started with the voice of

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Bunch Boxing, the math of the tool. So the math

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of the sit and spit from parts unknown. Are you

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frozen or are you there? Oh, there you go. I

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didn't see you move for like a half. There you

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go. That's what's going on. How's it going? Oh,

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man, I'm in a great spot. I'm in a great parking

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spot. This is a prime choice. I just want to

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say, last time you said you was in a great spot,

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you had to move. You know what? Yeah, I did.

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I did have to shift. I don't think I'm going

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to have to shift from here. I think I'm safe.

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Okay. And, of course, behind the ones and twos,

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the master marionette himself, the producer of

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Bunchbox, to hear what people called on, Uwe.

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Doing good, doing good. We got a little late

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start today. Had some travel issues, kind of

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like my fantasy team name, travel delays. Don't

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got too much in boxing. We had a big show planned.

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Yeah, but we were remiss if we didn't start with

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the unfortunate news of the passing of former

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boxer Pritchard Colon. Died at the age of, I

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believe he was 33 years old. All boxing fans

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know Pritchard Colon from... The debilitated

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injury he suffered due to a boxing match that

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he had against Pharrell Williams, what was it,

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almost a decade ago. Ezra, your thoughts on the

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passing of Pookie Colon? It's an unfortunate

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thing, the risk that happens when these guys

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step in the ring. It's a really dangerous sport.

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It's a really, really, really dangerous sport.

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And sometimes I think we lose the grasp of that.

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I think we get, you know, we just get used to

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watching it. And, you know, it's not like a thing

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that happens every weekend, but it's far too

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common that we see, you know, deaths in boxing.

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People take too much damage in one night, not

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even over like a career, just like one night,

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and it goes really south. And I think that you

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have to keep that in mind when you're watching

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the sport because sometimes you lose a little

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bit of respect for the guys in the ring who are

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really risking a lot. To be in there And they're

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trying to achieve something That you know is

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great Trying to bringing the most out of themselves

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and trying to change their lives and stuff like

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that. But the risk is great. So we've got to

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realize we're watching for entertainment, but

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this entertainment does come at a huge cost to

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the fighter and a risk to the fighter. And these

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stories like this will remind us of what could

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go south in there. Interesting enough is the

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person that thought where this happened actually

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trained in the same gym as me. He used to spar

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at wild card. And he was a good fighter as well.

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you know terrible events i'm very curious on

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you know what he's uh feels uh from what happened

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that night and and stuff like that and when it's

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uh also you know thing we have to look into is

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like these behind the head shots uh and i know

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that in mma they just had like a whole thing

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on um uh the prayer fight where he got hit a

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lot of times behind the head and they said well

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actually Those weren't necessarily behind the

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head because you only have a small strip in the

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back of your head that they consider behind the

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head shots. Now, I'm not quite sure that that's

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the rule that boxing follows on that. But behind

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the head, it's just so dangerous. It's such a

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dangerous thing. I remember I talked to my friends

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about, you know, like if a baseball were to hit

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me, if someone was pitching, I'd rather get hit

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in my face than the back of my head. They thought

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that was insane, but I don't think they realize

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how dangerous it is to get hit in the back of

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the head. Yeah, yeah, because that brainstem

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is like, Right there, basically. Some things

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I wanted to touch on with this topic. You mentioned

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his opponent, Terrell Williams. This is going

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to sound unpopular. And maybe this isn't the

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time to do it. Boxing fans got to let it go.

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They got to let it go. They got to forgive this

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guy. Unfortunately, two careers were lost that

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night. Two lives were forever affected that night.

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Now, obviously, Terrell Williams' life wasn't

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affected physically the way Pritchard Colon's

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life was affected. But let's be honest, he received

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so many death threats. Nobody wanted to give

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him any fights anymore. His career really suffered.

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He was a decent fighter. He had, you know, I

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think a little bit of potential. I don't know

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why we, as boxing fans and the boxing public,

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why we're so unforgiving to Terrell Williams.

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You know, it's like... It's like, hey, he didn't

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go in there trying to kill the guy. You know,

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I think if people look back on that fight, maybe

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they haven't watched the whole fight. They've

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only seen like the highlights. And if you see

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the highlights, you're going to see the rabbit.

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But that was a really dirty fight. It was a dirty

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fight. It was a sloppy fight. The rep could have

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been better. You know, everybody involved could

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have been better. But I just don't like. that

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we never forgave this guy for some reason. We

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never forgave this guy. I don't want to speculate

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as to why we never forgave him. I have my own

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suspicion. I don't want to get into it. I don't

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want to get too political. But I think it's time

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with the passing of Patrick Pallone to finally

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put this dark chapter in boxing to rest along

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with, uh, what are your, what are your thoughts

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on Terrell Williams and how his life and box

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career was affected from the incident? Yeah,

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it's really interesting. Like I said, I've seen

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him train. I know that I know his story of like,

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you know, he was a guy that had a day job and

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would come and train. And, you know, he was trying

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to build something out of the same thing as he

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was trying to build something out. And he was

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a good fighter. You know, I used to watch him

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spar all the time. I was always very impressed

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with what he could do in the ring. He was he

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hit really hard. He was a very, very skilled

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guy. I think that I get what you're saying on

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that as well. I think also because. You know,

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people say, oh, it's an illegal shot. So maybe

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that's why, because I think we've had other deaths

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in the ring where people were not really blaming

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the fighter, just, you know, the events. This

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one, I think, because of the illegal shots. But

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you're right, that was a really ugly fight. And

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sometimes real ugly fights like that, they just

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turn into stuff like that, where it's like, everything's

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kind of borderline or everything. It's just kind

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of real rough and everything in there. I think

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the ref could have definitely done a much better

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job than that. And maybe, you know, the way his

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name was reacting, I wish that, you know. boxing

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had someone on the outside that watches both

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fires and just says, at some point can override

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everyone, just say, hey, you know what? This

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fight can't continue. Maybe we just call it a

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no contest. Maybe we just call it everything,

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but I don't think we should keep going the way

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this fight's going. If we can't get this going

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correctly, let's just get a step in the way of

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it. I think boxing still needs to step up the

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safety a little bit on stuff like that. But yeah,

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listen, stuff happens in a fight. I mean, that's

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just the honest truth. Stuff happens in a fight.

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What happens in a fight? I mean, I had my one

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fight, I had my face broken from headbutts repeatedly,

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over and over. Stuff happens in fights, it's

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dangerous in there. And that's just these things

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are going to happen over time, and I do think

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that you're right that, hey, you know what, this

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guy's got to be, you know, it's got to be understood

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that I'm sure he did not have the intentions

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of killing this man. Yeah, yeah. There are those

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who say, oh, well, He didn't apologize and all

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this other stuff. It's kind of hard to even,

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first of all, we don't know if that's true, but

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even so, it's kind of hard to apologize when

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people are just threatening to kill you all the

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time and you're having to hide. Anytime he thought

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he might get a fight, there'll be so many people

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protesting it where fights got canceled. I think

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he's only fought maybe like three or four times

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total after that. It was like sparingly over

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the years until he finally lost to Thomas Delame.

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It's just a sad situation all around there. But

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Boston fans, it is time to forgive Terrell Williams.

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And I'll just leave it at that. Yep. And just,

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you know, just always got to refresh your memory

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of what the guys are risking when they go in

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there. So when you go in there and you call a

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guy, oh, this guy's a bomb or a shot. Like just...

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you know, the guy's risk his life for your entertainment

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on the thing. That's the honest truth. Yeah,

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exactly. Exactly. Uh, rest in peace, uh, critical

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long, uh, long, but not forgotten. Um, salute

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to all the people, you know, his mom, his dad,

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obviously family, friends, uh, Al Heyman. paid

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his medical bills and got him to get the medical

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facilities like all these years. You know, his

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mother wrote a heartfelt letter thanking Al Heyman

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for all that he did for Pritchard Colon after

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the unfortunate incident. Because a lot of times

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when we have these things in boxing happen, these

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fighters get no help. You know, you have somebody

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right now like Heather Hardy, who was basically

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begging for help because of the trauma that she

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suffered because of boxing. You know, at the

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very least, we can take solace in the fact that,

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you know, Pritchard had the very best care right

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up until the end. And boxing needs to do better

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by their fighters. Yeah, I'm with you on that

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for sure. All right. Let's talk the news of the

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day. You know, we don't really have a segue from

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that. So we're just going to talk the news of

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the day. We're going to try to go through each

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division and see what you think is the biggest

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story in each division or if there even is a

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story in any division. We'll start at heavyweight.

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That's the division of boxing, the grammar division.

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The big, beefy man, something new. Any news you

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want to talk about in the heavyweight division?

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I think with the heavyweight division right now,

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like I said, when we talked last time, we said,

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what is the time? The other thing to talk about

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is Joshua and Fury coming to the States. I think

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that's a big story because I think it's a shift

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in the way the business of boxing is working

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right now. And I think that it's more of a shift

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on... We don't care about maybe building the

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fan base in a home place. We just want to put

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a big event in a big city. And we wanted to put

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it, like if Netflix is going to be in the vault,

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that's going to be for the U .S. market. Everything

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is going to be focused on the U .S. market. And

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it's just a really interesting thing that. Joshua

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and Fury, which are right built up, that we know

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that they would do massive business in the UK,

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but Netflix is the one that's going to pay for

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it, and they're saying, hey, I don't care what

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it's going to do there, we're going to put it

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in the US and get more eyeballs on it. And when

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it comes to streaming, it's going to be more

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who's going to watch more on TV than who's going

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to buy a ticket to go actually watch it. Another

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nice question. Do you think this fight actually

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gets played? I do. I do think it actually gets

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made. Because I think that the one thing I think

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that everyone knows with Joshua is it's coming

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to an end. I think anyone watching Fury knows,

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hey, it's coming to an end. I don't think any

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of these guys are going to be eager to get in

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with one of the young guys right now. And they

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know that there's a massive payday for them.

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So I think all the things in boxing, when you

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don't... get a fight they wanted for so long

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a lot of times because guys still have other

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options I think that these guys are out of options

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I mean that's I think that's the truth I mean

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you've seen Joshua survive against Pringa you've

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seen Fury you know looking slow and sloppy against

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Wok it's gotta happen now just because there's

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no other options and there's a massive payday

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for them I'll be honest I'm not too sure if it

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happens I do love and I don't know if this is

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a PR move But Joshua is holding steadfast that

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the fight's not happening unless it happens in

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the UK. And he's refusing to sign off on it happening

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outside the UK. It's PR move. No. But it kind

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of shows me that Eddie Hearn was not lying the

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whole time. Remember they were talking about

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the details of this and Eddie Hearn said, hold

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on. In our contract, it says that it cannot be

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moved from the UK. without Joshua's approval.

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And now we see that they're struggling to move

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the fight because Joshua refuses to approve the

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fight being moved. And I'll be honest with you.

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If he was smart, if he still cared about PR,

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he would say either the fight is in the UK or

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the fight's not happening. Yeah, I think that

00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:10.700
fight's going to happen no matter what. But maybe

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this is a last -ditch effort to get it there.

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Maybe it's a last -ditch effort to get a little

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bit more money. But from what I hear Eddie Hearn

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talk, it seems like he's pretty accepting of

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this fight happening in the U .S. He is. Yeah,

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I know. No, I know. But I just say, you know,

00:14:26.490 --> 00:14:28.710
these paydays don't come around. Eddie Hearn

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said he was trying to trick these dudes. So he'll

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do whatever the hell Turkey wants. But Anthony

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Joshua is not beholden to Turkey. If Anthony

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Joshua is making money before Turkey, he'll make

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money after Turkey. 100%. 100%. But is there

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a fight that makes as much money as this that

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Joshua can still do right now? By Anthony Joshua?

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Yeah. Deontay Wilder. It doesn't make as much

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money as this. Yeah, it does. It probably actually

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makes more. Come on. It makes more. Now that

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is a fight. I don't mind that fight. That you

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hold in the United States. That's pretty funny.

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It'd be like, I only got to fight the UK. You

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know, Wilder in the US. That is pretty funny.

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No, yeah, I mean, I don't mind either. I think

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the fear fight's going to happen. Another thing

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in the heavyweight division, not really a big

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story, but something I found very interesting.

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According to sports illustrator Chris Mannix,

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Frank Sanchez received $1 million to step aside

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for a time a hurdle was to fight for that belt.

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Wow. That's good business right there, buddy.

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That is good business. That is great business.

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Oh, man, that is great business. I can't tell

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you how excited I am for a Tom Murray match.

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I can't tell you how excited I am for that fight.

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I think that's such a great fight. Two weeks

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away. Oh, man, I can't wait. I cannot wait. Wait,

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it's not next week? What's your bus level? I

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don't know. Oh, 29th? Oh, I'm a 10, 11, 12. I

00:16:06.330 --> 00:16:08.950
mean, I'm all the way up there, man. I'll tell

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you right now. I think it's going to answer so

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many questions for Atama. I think it'll answer

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so many questions for him. And if he makes this

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look easy, I think everyone's going to be like,

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okay, well, this is about to get scary in the

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heavyweight division. And then if we see the

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weaknesses in it, it's like that's going to be

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something the whole talk about. This is, to me,

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edge of your seat type fight. Yeah, but here's

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the thing. Are you excited because you think

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this is about to be a coronation of Moses Obama,

00:16:40.789 --> 00:16:46.230
who's the guy? I'm excited because we're going

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to get answers. That's like the thing in like...

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Wait a second. Uh -oh. What the hell is this?

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Okay. Yeah, I'm excited because we're going to

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get answers on things that we're all wondering.

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That's the great part about this. This is the

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ultimate test for this guy. And it's a huge jump

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from where he was at to this point. To me, there

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was some more... If you were going to bring him

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up a little bit slower, there was some more ground

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that he could have covered to that point. They

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said, let's do it. And I think he's ready. And

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I think that we're the one thing we're going

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to find out is if this fight's, you know, if

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Urgavich is durable, the fight goes later. We'll

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see how he is at that. We'll see how he's at

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with a level of fighter like this. And we'll

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see if he can take the shots, take some shots,

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because I do think he'll get touched a little

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bit. Now, this is Urgavich's last chance, right?

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I would think so. Yeah, I would think so. It's

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so funny how Bostoners, because at one time,

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Urgovich was the young fighter with all the promise

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that people were looking to as the future of

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boxing. And it just didn't happen for him. Daniel

00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:56.119
Dubois happened to him, basically. And kind of

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put that shit to bed. Yeah. You know what? To

00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:02.559
me, Urgovich is a sign of a healthy division.

00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.250
Yeah. You need guys like that. Yeah, yeah. There's

00:18:07.250 --> 00:18:09.690
enough guys to where you're like, this guy could

00:18:09.690 --> 00:18:11.690
be something. And if the division's good enough,

00:18:11.869 --> 00:18:14.210
he'll be the bottom of the top 10. Like, that's

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a healthy division right there. Ergo Rich is

00:18:15.869 --> 00:18:17.269
a good fighter. He's not a bad fighter at all.

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So this is, and like I said, if Tama destroys

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him, Tama makes him look like he's at work. Get

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ready. Get ready for the Tama era. All right,

00:18:26.029 --> 00:18:27.250
let's move on to the Cruiserweight division.

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Obviously, the big story is the saga that is

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the David Benavidez, Jao Opataya. Noelle McCallion,

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Minaj Etowah. Who's going to win? Who's going

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to get this? Yo, this is going to be the first

00:18:44.630 --> 00:18:50.009
time that Noelle McCallion is the big guy that

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everyone's going to fight in his whole life.

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It's like, no, we want to. Yeah, it's almost

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a she's all that situation. It was like a few

00:19:00.289 --> 00:19:03.650
months ago, no one had interest. And now, It's

00:19:03.650 --> 00:19:07.789
the battle of the ball. I mean, you keep saying

00:19:07.789 --> 00:19:09.970
who's going to get it. I think it's pretty obvious

00:19:09.970 --> 00:19:12.809
that Jael Batai is going to get that fight. I

00:19:12.809 --> 00:19:16.210
mean, I don't know what the... To me, there's

00:19:16.210 --> 00:19:18.809
a poster. I'm seeing it. The fight's not that

00:19:18.809 --> 00:19:21.490
far away. Seems like this fight's going to happen.

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I don't think there's any more wondering about

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that. Don King, baby. And to me, the story of

00:19:31.109 --> 00:19:36.109
the division, to me, right now... Is David Benavidez

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a big enough star to carry the division on his

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own? No. That's what I'm saying. So that's the

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story of it. It's like, what's David going to

00:19:43.890 --> 00:19:45.809
do? What's the moves, right? Because it's going

00:19:45.809 --> 00:19:49.069
to take some master chess moves to make this

00:19:49.069 --> 00:19:51.589
division interesting, to make this division like

00:19:51.589 --> 00:19:54.670
where David, who is a name in boxing, but I don't

00:19:54.670 --> 00:19:56.049
think he's a big enough name to just carry it

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with low B -sides, like bad B -sides. And I'm

00:20:00.630 --> 00:20:02.630
just like, what is the steps here? What's the

00:20:02.630 --> 00:20:04.869
strategy going forward? That's what I think the

00:20:04.869 --> 00:20:08.170
biggest thing in the division is. Even Canelo,

00:20:08.329 --> 00:20:14.589
who was a big moneymaker, even he had to have

00:20:14.589 --> 00:20:17.730
some B -sides with some type of interest in order

00:20:17.730 --> 00:20:22.130
to generate some real revenue and interest in

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the division. Yeah, I don't know what they do,

00:20:24.890 --> 00:20:28.170
and he's kind of in a horrible spot. Yeah. Because

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I'll be honest with you, I don't see him working

00:20:29.329 --> 00:20:32.029
his way back down. And everybody's telling me

00:20:32.029 --> 00:20:34.109
he's not going to go up. So you're stuck in a

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division that it's a wasteland. And it's always

00:20:37.609 --> 00:20:40.809
been, I don't want to say a wasteland, but it's

00:20:40.809 --> 00:20:44.130
never been an American division. And remember

00:20:44.130 --> 00:20:46.509
when I came up with the idea, I said, don't let

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any people from other countries fight in it.

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Then our best guy would be Jay Paul, and it would

00:20:51.730 --> 00:20:54.630
be a huge division. You know what I mean? I got

00:20:54.630 --> 00:20:57.359
an idea, fellas. All right, I'm ready, Ty. Hold

00:20:57.359 --> 00:20:59.900
on, T .Y. Before you start going, the voice you're

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hearing is guest of the show, frequent guest

00:21:01.779 --> 00:21:03.740
of the show, host of the Sunday Morning Sermon,

00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.099
host of the When It's Live R &S podcast, T .Y.

00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:08.859
What do you got to say on this? What's up, what's

00:21:08.859 --> 00:21:10.519
up, fellas? Listen, I'm just listening to y 'all,

00:21:10.539 --> 00:21:13.400
right? I know y 'all might not agree, but...

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Know who he should fight? Who's that? He should

00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:20.200
fight the heavy Joshua Tyson Fury winner. Yes,

00:21:20.259 --> 00:21:24.079
I agree 100%. You know what? Listen, I think

00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:28.240
he could beat both of them. I agree. Look, they

00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:30.740
both wash, right? They might beat each other.

00:21:31.380 --> 00:21:34.819
He probably could beat both of them. Could he

00:21:34.819 --> 00:21:39.960
beat Andy Ruiz, Ty? See, that's a little different.

00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:42.279
That's a little different because, no, no, no,

00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:45.960
that's not a little different because Andy Ruiz,

00:21:46.140 --> 00:21:48.420
he's from over here with us. He got an American

00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:52.420
style. He make you catch him. I think them stiff

00:21:52.420 --> 00:21:55.589
-ass Brits. And Fury a little older, I think

00:21:55.589 --> 00:21:57.130
he can catch them. I'm not saying he can't beat

00:21:57.130 --> 00:22:00.769
Ruiz, but that's more of a, I mean. Okay, but

00:22:00.769 --> 00:22:02.210
here's the thing, right? Andrew Ruiz can take

00:22:02.210 --> 00:22:04.289
a punch. There's a roadmap there of opponents

00:22:04.289 --> 00:22:07.210
for him, a heavyweight. Yeah, but Andrew Ruiz

00:22:07.210 --> 00:22:09.490
can still take a punch. Yeah, I don't think it's

00:22:09.490 --> 00:22:11.970
a good fight for him, not Andrew Ruiz. But Joshua,

00:22:12.329 --> 00:22:16.809
I gotta say, as you know better than me, the

00:22:16.809 --> 00:22:20.609
Mexican gym thing, he used to that style. I got

00:22:20.609 --> 00:22:23.279
you, I got you. I think the familiarity, but

00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:27.420
I think with them Brits, think about this one,

00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:31.079
bro. And I think AJ did what he had to do. It

00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:33.220
took him rounds to knock out Jake Paul. So you

00:22:33.220 --> 00:22:35.460
don't think it took him rounds to catch up to

00:22:35.460 --> 00:22:38.279
David Benavidez? I said that right after that

00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:39.920
happened. I said David Benavidez should fight

00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:42.759
Anthony Joshua. I said that right after it happened.

00:22:42.940 --> 00:22:44.720
I've been pushing for this. And here we go, Fury.

00:22:46.220 --> 00:22:48.660
Unless it's the Fury that forced Steve Cunningham

00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:51.400
to walk through and walk him down. I don't see

00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:54.000
how he could beat David Benavidez. How would

00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.559
Fred beat David Benavidez? Off the back foot?

00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:59.039
What would he do? Hey, you're preaching to the

00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:00.680
choir right now. I'll tell you that right now.

00:23:00.740 --> 00:23:03.000
You're preaching to the choir. I don't think

00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:04.559
they, can I be honest with you? I don't think

00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:06.539
they have a choice. I don't think they have a

00:23:06.539 --> 00:23:09.700
choice. There's no opponents for them. They don't

00:23:09.700 --> 00:23:12.799
have a choice but to do this. I'm telling you

00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:14.880
right now, Benjamin is not going up to fight

00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:22.920
him. Hey, hey, hey, man. What's up, Ty? You know,

00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:27.160
listen, well, this one too. You might not want

00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:29.480
to hear this one. This could be easy to make.

00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:33.920
The New Year's Wilder, home team. Nah. Home team,

00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.700
Matt. Home team. Come on, Matt. The home team.

00:23:39.619 --> 00:23:42.380
Why not, Matt? Talk to me, Matt. No feelings

00:23:42.380 --> 00:23:43.940
involved, Matt. I don't want to tell you why.

00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:46.630
Matt, no feelings involved, Matt. All right,

00:23:46.630 --> 00:23:47.930
so I know what you want to say. Okay, say no

00:23:47.930 --> 00:23:50.750
more. I got you. I don't want to say why. I got

00:23:50.750 --> 00:23:53.609
you. I don't want to see that no more. I got

00:23:53.609 --> 00:23:55.650
you, homie. I got you. I got kicked out the bomb

00:23:55.650 --> 00:24:02.950
squad for suggesting that. Oh. Damn. As you got

00:24:02.950 --> 00:24:05.630
me thinking, ass. I'm telling you. There's a

00:24:05.630 --> 00:24:08.509
roadmap. There's a roadmap there where you don't

00:24:08.509 --> 00:24:09.309
have to fight. It could have been Jake Paul.

00:24:10.080 --> 00:24:12.579
Yeah, you don't have to fight - Hey, Ezra, let

00:24:12.579 --> 00:24:16.460
him get his shit off. Goddamn, Ezra. No, okay.

00:24:16.700 --> 00:24:18.160
No, you get the floor. I just want to say, if

00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:20.259
it wasn't Jake Paul, like, say Jake Paul didn't

00:24:20.259 --> 00:24:22.059
get knocked out by AJ, even Jake Paul, but, like,

00:24:22.059 --> 00:24:24.839
I'm trying to figure out somebody, a cruiserweight,

00:24:25.019 --> 00:24:26.960
light heavyweight, maybe a small heavyweight.

00:24:27.180 --> 00:24:29.900
Richard Torres lost. Say Torres would have won.

00:24:30.019 --> 00:24:34.339
You know what I mean? Or, yeah. He shouldn't

00:24:34.339 --> 00:24:36.359
fight no Cabell or nobody like that. No, hell

00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:39.970
no. Hell no. You don't fight Cabell. You don't

00:24:39.970 --> 00:24:42.690
fight Atama. You don't fight Duval. You don't

00:24:42.690 --> 00:24:44.789
fight those guys, right? At least not yet. You

00:24:44.789 --> 00:24:47.250
have, like I said, we said Wilder. We said Joshua.

00:24:47.450 --> 00:24:51.670
We said Fury. We said Andrew Ruiz. The division's

00:24:51.670 --> 00:24:54.869
pretty deep. And the names, the big names, are

00:24:54.869 --> 00:24:57.069
on their way out. So it's actually a perfect

00:24:57.069 --> 00:24:59.309
time to step in, and you don't have to fight

00:24:59.309 --> 00:25:01.109
any of the guys that are serious contenders.

00:25:01.789 --> 00:25:03.670
You fight all the guys on their way out, the

00:25:03.670 --> 00:25:09.140
biggest names and the biggest fights. Does that

00:25:09.140 --> 00:25:13.279
culminate with Ole Gunnar Usyk? Yeah. Usyk's

00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:14.940
probably not going to want to fight him. That's

00:25:14.940 --> 00:25:17.059
the honest truth. Usyk is probably not going

00:25:17.059 --> 00:25:21.339
to fight a real fight. There's where it is. All

00:25:21.339 --> 00:25:24.259
right. Let's get to the light heavyweight division.

00:25:25.900 --> 00:25:28.220
I don't really think there's any news to talk

00:25:28.220 --> 00:25:31.240
about in there. Can we move on unless you want

00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:33.500
to? We do have a Chief Overton coming back tonight

00:25:33.500 --> 00:25:37.500
on the Professor Shield. uh kate scott on the

00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:40.099
card he's gonna be looking to get into the mix

00:25:40.099 --> 00:25:42.799
the championship mix uh sooner rather than later

00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.740
other than that i feel like uh the division's

00:25:45.740 --> 00:25:48.900
pretty stagnant waiting to see what the two russians

00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:52.259
do Well, I want to say this. I want to say this.

00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:54.299
I think Ben Whittaker is better than people think

00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:57.559
he is. Oh, my gosh. I do. I do. I think that

00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:00.059
people think that this guy is like trash, and

00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:02.900
he brought up a lot of hype. I don't think at

00:26:02.900 --> 00:26:05.259
points he didn't deliver on that hype, but I

00:26:05.259 --> 00:26:07.059
do think he's getting better. I do think that

00:26:07.059 --> 00:26:11.319
he looks a lot better than what people are giving

00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:13.819
him credit for. Now, do I think that he's a Bevo

00:26:13.819 --> 00:26:16.140
level? No, I don't think that. Do I think he's

00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:17.819
a Benjamin level? No, I don't think that. But

00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:19.059
I also think that those two guys are on their

00:26:19.059 --> 00:26:21.339
way out. I don't think this is a very, very deep

00:26:21.339 --> 00:26:24.059
division. We talked about Overton, which is,

00:26:24.099 --> 00:26:26.500
I think, a future fight between those two. It's

00:26:26.500 --> 00:26:28.019
a really interesting fight and a fight to be

00:26:28.019 --> 00:26:30.500
built to. But I think Bandwagon is going to have,

00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.019
I think he has star power. I think he has a name.

00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:34.940
And I think that he's got a division that's kind

00:26:34.940 --> 00:26:38.099
of losing talent that he could kind of take control

00:26:38.099 --> 00:26:40.559
of, that he could make a push for the top. with

00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.779
a guy like Overton, then we could get a good

00:26:42.779 --> 00:26:44.920
fight, built -up fight to that. So I do think

00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.380
that he's an interesting spot, and he's the kind

00:26:48.380 --> 00:26:50.079
of guy that people hate him, people love him.

00:26:50.339 --> 00:26:51.859
Either way, people are going to pay attention

00:26:51.859 --> 00:26:54.799
to him, and that's a good spot to be in. I kind

00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:58.960
of wish that he was at Cruiserweight, because

00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.039
that would be a good Benavidez opponent. Yes,

00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:02.839
yeah, that's what Benavidez needs is a guy like

00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:05.819
that. Yeah, Benavidez needs a couple of these

00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:10.319
175 guys like Overton and Ben Whittaker. He's

00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:13.579
going to move up. He's going to do what he do.

00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:19.779
And we know what he does. Let's go to Super Middleware.

00:27:19.819 --> 00:27:25.259
Well, before we move on to that, WBO gave Demetri

00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:29.519
Bevo on account of one final extension that expires

00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.720
on August 20th to WBO. Do you think they're going

00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:35.440
to reach a deal ultimately? Yeah, yeah, they'll

00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:40.829
reach a deal. All right, let's move to 168. To

00:27:40.829 --> 00:27:43.450
me, the big news in that division, your guy,

00:27:43.589 --> 00:27:48.690
Janet Beckham, he has been named the WBO mandatory

00:27:48.690 --> 00:27:53.329
for the belt held by Hamza Shiraz. The fight

00:27:53.329 --> 00:27:55.569
has been ordered. They have 20 days to reach

00:27:55.569 --> 00:27:59.250
an agreement before it goes to purses. Ezra,

00:27:59.309 --> 00:28:05.970
does Hamza Shiraz fight his mandatory or drop

00:28:05.970 --> 00:28:08.269
his belt? No, I know Deshaun's going to drop

00:28:08.269 --> 00:28:10.130
his belt. So I think that he's probably going

00:28:10.130 --> 00:28:12.349
to fight as mandatory. I don't know why the hell

00:28:12.349 --> 00:28:14.750
Janet Beck's a mandatory. That's the part I don't

00:28:14.750 --> 00:28:17.750
get. Every time you... No, you know why he's

00:28:17.750 --> 00:28:20.089
a mandatory. Because he was a WBO champion. They

00:28:20.089 --> 00:28:23.390
didn't strip him. So he has certain rights. Why

00:28:23.390 --> 00:28:26.450
wasn't he stripped? Why wasn't he stripped? Because

00:28:26.450 --> 00:28:29.789
they bought the hospital excuse. He went to the

00:28:29.789 --> 00:28:31.390
emergency room and he was treated with it at

00:28:31.390 --> 00:28:34.509
the emergency room. And they think it's plausible.

00:28:35.230 --> 00:28:38.160
Listen. There was a thing that I said, and everyone

00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:40.299
gets mad at me, and they say, oh, you just want

00:28:40.299 --> 00:28:42.259
to be controversial. I'm telling you right now,

00:28:42.339 --> 00:28:47.079
95 % of the sport isn't tested already. They're

00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:50.380
not tested. 95 % of the sport's happening. No

00:28:50.380 --> 00:28:52.940
one's getting tested. At the top level, when

00:28:52.940 --> 00:28:55.299
they do test someone, they buy whatever damn

00:28:55.299 --> 00:28:57.880
excuse that they give on why they test it hot,

00:28:57.980 --> 00:29:01.940
and then they excuse it. This whole system is

00:29:01.940 --> 00:29:04.910
a joke. It's a joke. It's this whole thing of

00:29:04.910 --> 00:29:07.690
we're testing and all that. It's laughable. It's

00:29:07.690 --> 00:29:11.089
laughable. It's not a real thing. They put it

00:29:11.089 --> 00:29:13.309
on there, but they don't believe it. They don't

00:29:13.309 --> 00:29:16.750
buy it. They're not enforcing it. Janet Beck

00:29:16.750 --> 00:29:19.349
should not be in this situation. Janet Beck screwed

00:29:19.349 --> 00:29:22.089
up the middleweight division so much that we

00:29:22.089 --> 00:29:24.430
could have got a Terrence Crawford fight versus

00:29:24.430 --> 00:29:26.349
him. He couldn't deliver on that. He's bad business.

00:29:28.870 --> 00:29:30.589
Either way, we would have got something, right,

00:29:30.670 --> 00:29:32.930
where Crawford would have fought one of these

00:29:32.930 --> 00:29:35.890
guys. He's bad for business. He shouldn't be

00:29:35.890 --> 00:29:37.470
rewarded in this situation, but it seems like

00:29:37.470 --> 00:29:40.809
he's being rewarded. I do think that him and

00:29:40.809 --> 00:29:43.150
Shiraz is an interesting fight. I want to see

00:29:43.150 --> 00:29:45.769
it as far as, like, in the ring, but I don't

00:29:45.769 --> 00:29:47.250
think he should be in this position, and I think

00:29:47.250 --> 00:29:49.029
that that's the joke, and sometimes in boxing

00:29:49.029 --> 00:29:51.509
when you try to defend these sanctioning bodies,

00:29:51.609 --> 00:29:54.470
they do stuff like this, and you say, ah, that's

00:29:54.470 --> 00:29:56.670
kind of indefensible. That's really indefensible,

00:29:56.769 --> 00:30:00.190
actually. I think that there's a chance that

00:30:00.190 --> 00:30:06.289
Mr. Ron's dropped the belt. Really? We say this

00:30:06.289 --> 00:30:11.809
every week. No, I'm not saying we say this. We

00:30:11.809 --> 00:30:14.569
say this every week. I say we say this every

00:30:14.569 --> 00:30:16.470
fight. But I think that if you make that fight,

00:30:16.589 --> 00:30:20.009
that's a 50 -50 fight. Nah. I didn't have to

00:30:20.009 --> 00:30:24.069
fight 50 -50. I did that fight about 70 -30.

00:30:24.679 --> 00:30:28.319
80 -20. Who you favor, man? Janet Beck is going

00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:32.119
to whoop his ass. Okay, then this reason I was

00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.720
saying that I think it's 50 -50 because they

00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:36.740
go up and down. So rather than the great Belinda,

00:30:36.819 --> 00:30:39.880
that last fight was like shit. They look at the

00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:43.309
average versus the diamonds. And we've seen my

00:30:43.309 --> 00:30:45.369
man at 160. He always up and down. He look great

00:30:45.369 --> 00:30:47.289
in one fight. Then he look bad. Then he really

00:30:47.289 --> 00:30:49.450
make him wait. So we don't know how he's going

00:30:49.450 --> 00:30:51.769
to be at 68. So I think it's a 50 -50 fight.

00:30:51.990 --> 00:30:54.549
I could see Shiraz getting him out of there early.

00:30:55.509 --> 00:30:57.450
Or I could see Jennebec walking him down and

00:30:57.450 --> 00:30:58.970
catching him all of a sudden and him being chinny.

00:30:59.230 --> 00:31:00.769
So I don't know. This is my opinion. But, you

00:31:00.769 --> 00:31:03.809
know, you know your shit, too. I'll give you

00:31:03.809 --> 00:31:07.589
that. Now, here's the reason why I think that

00:31:07.589 --> 00:31:12.039
Shiraz might drop the belt. Shiraz, at once,

00:31:12.099 --> 00:31:17.880
was Janabek's mandatory. And he, in my opinion,

00:31:18.059 --> 00:31:22.920
with Frank Warren, were conspiring with the WBO

00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:27.799
to lift that belt from Janabek. But Janabek was

00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:29.819
like, nah, let's go through with the fight. I'll

00:31:29.819 --> 00:31:32.539
take the fight. This, that, and the other. And

00:31:32.539 --> 00:31:35.779
then what happened? Shiraz pulled out of the

00:31:35.779 --> 00:31:38.420
fight. I don't think he wants to fight Janabek.

00:31:39.309 --> 00:31:43.190
I truly don't. Interestingly enough, I saw someone

00:31:43.190 --> 00:31:46.970
say, oh, Jacob Bank got screwed. He should be

00:31:46.970 --> 00:31:48.190
the man of prayer. He should be the one fighting

00:31:48.190 --> 00:31:51.690
Shiraz. And Shiraz quote tweeted it with eyeballs.

00:31:52.950 --> 00:31:56.029
You don't want no part of Janet Beck. You just

00:31:56.029 --> 00:31:59.250
can't say it out loud. But to me, his past actions

00:31:59.250 --> 00:32:03.329
and his social media presence kind of tells me

00:32:03.329 --> 00:32:08.500
you don't want no part of Janet Beck. they might

00:32:08.500 --> 00:32:11.539
try to see if they could get him a title shot

00:32:11.539 --> 00:32:13.819
with someone else, where he would drop the WBO

00:32:13.819 --> 00:32:16.980
belt, or he's going to be forced into a mandatory

00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:19.119
that he don't want to take. Also, respectful.

00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:24.000
I get it. I get what you're saying, man. I think

00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.680
that also, too, there's no other career move

00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:29.579
for him right now. Because I don't think he's

00:32:29.579 --> 00:32:31.059
getting a Canelo fight. I don't think he's getting

00:32:31.059 --> 00:32:33.559
a Canelo and Bealy winner. Or at least I don't

00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:34.619
think he's getting Canelo. I don't think he'll

00:32:34.619 --> 00:32:37.220
get Canelo. So I don't, I don't know. I don't

00:32:37.220 --> 00:32:38.859
know if that's, I think they'll probably have

00:32:38.859 --> 00:32:41.819
the Canelo and Billy when, uh, if he dropped

00:32:41.819 --> 00:32:45.240
that WBO. No, I don't think so. And they say,

00:32:45.339 --> 00:32:48.359
fuck it. We're just gonna do our thing to get

00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.700
him off the WBO. Yeah, no, I don't think he will.

00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:52.079
I don't know. I don't know why Canelo does that.

00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:53.180
So that's what I'm saying. I think he has to,

00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.299
I think he's going to have to fight him. And

00:32:55.299 --> 00:32:58.839
I think it's just, I think it's just, I think

00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.220
it's just, because why, why would he fight him

00:33:01.220 --> 00:33:03.799
if he doesn't have a belt? Because he just, whatever

00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:08.190
Turkey tells him to do. Exactly. I mean, I think

00:33:08.190 --> 00:33:09.670
Canelo is kind of in a spot where he is kind

00:33:09.670 --> 00:33:11.250
of doing that, but I think Canelo would say,

00:33:11.289 --> 00:33:12.549
like, what's the point of fighting this guy?

00:33:12.609 --> 00:33:14.750
I do think that there is still that. Yeah, but

00:33:14.750 --> 00:33:16.950
Canelo will be the defender champion. He'll be

00:33:16.950 --> 00:33:19.150
the one defending his belt. Yeah, but to me,

00:33:19.170 --> 00:33:22.029
in Canelo's mind, he's like, let me regain. If

00:33:22.029 --> 00:33:23.910
I'm going to keep going, let me regain this whole

00:33:23.910 --> 00:33:25.589
division again. I think that's what he's thinking

00:33:25.589 --> 00:33:30.849
in his mind. But I think that it's a 60 -40 fight

00:33:30.849 --> 00:33:33.440
for Janabek. I do think that. I think it's 60

00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:36.400
-40. I think that, I don't know what generally

00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:39.079
looks at this weight. We're going to see, you

00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.500
know, if he was on that stuff, well, what was

00:33:41.500 --> 00:33:43.259
that stuff doing for him? We got to see that

00:33:43.259 --> 00:33:47.160
as well. Yeah, I don't know. It's a 60 -40 fight

00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:49.059
for me. I think that stuff was helping him make

00:33:49.059 --> 00:33:51.539
weight. Yeah, most of the time, that's really

00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:53.420
what that stuff is doing. I mean, I think that's

00:33:53.420 --> 00:33:55.420
what people have to realize. And that's a bad

00:33:55.420 --> 00:33:58.160
thing. No, no, I know. That's a horrible thing.

00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.180
But what I'm saying is that... I think the biggest

00:34:01.180 --> 00:34:02.819
thing for performance enhancing is people are

00:34:02.819 --> 00:34:06.720
using it to burn weight. Yeah. They're using

00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.300
it so that they can compete in weight classes

00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:11.320
that they normally wouldn't be able to make so

00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:15.019
that they can have a big advantage. I think that

00:34:15.019 --> 00:34:18.199
too, but I also think because, you know, a lot

00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:19.980
of times when you're building, they're building

00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:22.599
a guy, they're building them. in a division,

00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.159
right? You got a division, and you say, these

00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:25.920
opponents are lined up for you. This is what

00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:27.920
we're working kind of towards. Or we'll say,

00:34:27.980 --> 00:34:29.659
hey, we have this fight. This is a decent fight.

00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:31.300
You have a belt. This guy has a belt. And the

00:34:31.300 --> 00:34:34.019
guy's getting bigger, so he says, I can't make

00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:35.380
this weight, but that's where the money's at.

00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:36.739
I got to do it. So I got to do whatever it takes

00:34:36.739 --> 00:34:38.199
to try to make this weight still and stay in

00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:39.840
this weight. I think that's a lot of time to

00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.619
get to. Interesting. Interesting. Another piece

00:34:43.619 --> 00:34:47.000
of news in the middleweight, super middleweight

00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:51.780
division, Osweez Iglesias, next. was announced.

00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:55.519
It's a bunch of who shot down. I'm not gonna

00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:58.599
lie. Very disappointing opponent. I was hoping

00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.739
that he would fight Adamez, but in my head, I

00:35:01.739 --> 00:35:05.059
knew that that wasn't gonna happen. He's fighting

00:35:05.059 --> 00:35:07.619
some Danish guy that's trained by Mikkel Kessler.

00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:09.900
I guess that's gonna be the big storyline going

00:35:09.900 --> 00:35:13.000
into the fight. Mikkel Kessler, the Viking warrior,

00:35:13.219 --> 00:35:15.719
is a trainer, okay? And if that's the biggest

00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:17.159
storyline going into your fight, you don't have

00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:20.460
a good fight. I gotta tell you. Yeah, I mean,

00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:22.460
look, Iglesias is not a guy that's going to be

00:35:22.460 --> 00:35:27.300
given any big opponent. No one's going to go

00:35:27.300 --> 00:35:31.900
out of their way to fight him. And also, it's

00:35:31.900 --> 00:35:34.360
like, he's kind of a guy that benefits from being

00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.599
a mandatory than being a champ. If that makes

00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:39.340
sense. He's the kind of guy that benefits from

00:35:39.340 --> 00:35:41.159
working his way up the rankings than actually

00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.840
just defending a belt. Like I said, no big name

00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:44.880
is going to go out of the way and be like, yeah,

00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.500
let me get in the ring with him. He doesn't sell.

00:35:47.099 --> 00:35:49.519
No one's familiar with him. And he's a hell of

00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.159
a talent. So that's the situation he's going

00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:56.579
to be in. And this is a big problem in boxing.

00:35:57.780 --> 00:36:01.019
For the most part, you cannot force champions

00:36:01.019 --> 00:36:03.900
to fight each other. And divisions are not deep

00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:07.219
enough to have four separate champions not fight

00:36:07.219 --> 00:36:11.400
each other. I'm sorry. Yeah, but when we do get

00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.760
situations, When champions are forced to fight

00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:19.039
each other, we complain as boxer fans. I don't

00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.300
complain. Now, I will say - You do. No, no, no.

00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:25.980
The WBC ordered Noam Akali to fight David Benavidez.

00:36:26.139 --> 00:36:28.940
And you said, what the fuck is the WBC doing?

00:36:29.260 --> 00:36:32.800
No, no. What is the WBC doing? No, no. Here's

00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:35.460
the issue I have with it. Uh -huh, uh -huh. Let

00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:36.719
me tell you the issue. Can I tell you the issue

00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.619
I have? Yeah. It doesn't happen often enough.

00:36:39.259 --> 00:36:41.139
This is the problem. When you have the power

00:36:41.139 --> 00:36:43.559
to do that, and I'm watching divisions where

00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:44.760
I'm like, man, wouldn't it be great if these

00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:46.679
champions would fight each other? And then I

00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:48.340
find out that they have the ability to force

00:36:48.340 --> 00:36:51.019
that to happen, and they never used it, but they'll

00:36:51.019 --> 00:36:53.519
use it on Noel McKinnon, who no one's asking

00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.119
to fight David Benavides. No one is begging for

00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:57.500
that fight, but they're using that situation.

00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:00.360
Well, he also attempted to use it to force Canelo

00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:04.719
to fight Triple G. To fight who? Triple G. And

00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:09.539
he also, hold on, hold on. He also used it. To

00:37:09.539 --> 00:37:14.079
force Kovalev to fight Adonis Stevenson. Okay,

00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:18.699
okay. So the WBC has done it. Yeah, but nobody

00:37:18.699 --> 00:37:22.460
else does it. But then my question to you is,

00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:26.420
why do you complain when they do with that? No,

00:37:27.219 --> 00:37:30.920
no, no, no. Yeah, but here's the thing. Instead

00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:33.739
of complaining that they're doing it, you should

00:37:33.739 --> 00:37:36.360
say, you know what? That's a great idea by the

00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:40.980
WBC. No. You should praise it and encourage it

00:37:40.980 --> 00:37:43.619
to happen more often. I do encourage it to happen

00:37:43.619 --> 00:37:48.039
more. You don't. You complain about it. This

00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:50.900
is a problem I have. Consistency. And anything,

00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:53.900
I just want consistency. And any rule, please,

00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.539
just give me consistency. And anything, a law

00:37:56.539 --> 00:37:58.059
that they have, please, just give me consistency.

00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.079
That's all I want. That's all I'm asking for.

00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.119
And when you don't, you pull it out, oh, we actually

00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.889
have this. It's like, hey. Come on, just, you're

00:38:05.889 --> 00:38:08.590
able to do this. The sport's able to make this

00:38:08.590 --> 00:38:11.230
happen, right? You got the convention now where

00:38:11.230 --> 00:38:13.409
they're unifying the two sanctuary bodies. They're

00:38:13.409 --> 00:38:14.949
not unifying them, I don't think. I know, whatever.

00:38:15.210 --> 00:38:18.409
It's called Unified. Did I make that up? Did

00:38:18.409 --> 00:38:20.469
I make up the name? It's called Unified, right?

00:38:20.550 --> 00:38:23.929
That's what it's called, right? And you put these

00:38:23.929 --> 00:38:25.449
things together and then you say, oh, we're going

00:38:25.449 --> 00:38:26.829
to do this and this. It's like, hey, why wasn't

00:38:26.829 --> 00:38:28.989
this always done? Because this is exactly the

00:38:28.989 --> 00:38:30.670
same thing that I'm saying, is that your division

00:38:30.670 --> 00:38:32.610
has four champions and they never fight each

00:38:32.610 --> 00:38:33.829
other. And you can't force them to fight each

00:38:33.829 --> 00:38:35.989
other. And that's the problem. It seems like

00:38:35.989 --> 00:38:40.150
the only entity that's interested in having a

00:38:40.150 --> 00:38:42.969
champion doing anything is the WBC. So, like

00:38:42.969 --> 00:38:47.710
I said, instead of complaining about the WBC,

00:38:48.030 --> 00:38:51.510
anytime they do it, we should praise them and

00:38:51.510 --> 00:38:53.530
encourage the other section of the body to take

00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:55.909
note. Do you understand the difference between

00:38:55.909 --> 00:38:58.409
complaining about it? Anytime they don't do it,

00:38:58.449 --> 00:39:03.630
should I complain about it? No, because maybe

00:39:03.630 --> 00:39:08.409
this is going to expose these fighters. Maybe

00:39:08.409 --> 00:39:10.789
the fighters not pushing for it. I think the

00:39:10.789 --> 00:39:13.289
reason why they did it this time is because David

00:39:13.289 --> 00:39:15.650
Benavidez pushed for it. The reason why they

00:39:15.650 --> 00:39:17.949
did it before is because Triple G pushed for

00:39:17.949 --> 00:39:19.789
it. The reason why they did it before is because

00:39:19.789 --> 00:39:23.090
Adonis Stevenson pushed for it. It's incumbent

00:39:23.090 --> 00:39:27.789
upon the fighter to push for it. You know what

00:39:27.789 --> 00:39:30.130
I think it's incumbent on? I think it's incumbent

00:39:30.130 --> 00:39:32.610
on the business and the promoters. I think that's

00:39:32.610 --> 00:39:35.349
what it's incumbent on. Nah, the fighters. I

00:39:35.349 --> 00:39:37.230
think it's incumbent on, hey, we have a big fight

00:39:37.230 --> 00:39:39.269
we want to make. We're trying to force this guy's

00:39:39.269 --> 00:39:41.309
hand. Can you help us force this guy's hand?

00:39:41.590 --> 00:39:43.210
I think that's what it is. Yeah, but only the

00:39:43.210 --> 00:39:47.210
WBC would help. Yeah. So save your vitriol for

00:39:47.210 --> 00:39:48.510
the other three sections of the body. This is

00:39:48.510 --> 00:39:50.909
all I'm saying. I think it's a stupid system.

00:39:51.369 --> 00:39:53.409
Of course you do. All right, let's move to the

00:39:53.409 --> 00:39:57.179
middleweight division. Middleweight, I got to

00:39:57.179 --> 00:40:01.179
tell you, not as bad as people say. Oh, it's

00:40:01.179 --> 00:40:04.340
horrible. It's not. It's a terrible division.

00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:06.880
We just crowned the new champion in Aaron McKenna,

00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.719
who at the very least is interesting. He has

00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:14.900
his little Irish following. We have every lady,

00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:25.309
Laura, who's due back sometime in 2026. You have

00:40:25.309 --> 00:40:29.570
Carlos Adamez, who is, I don't know. Who gives

00:40:29.570 --> 00:40:36.750
a damn? I care. And then you have Denzel Bentley.

00:40:38.369 --> 00:40:43.469
Denzel Bentley is very good. But you also have,

00:40:43.550 --> 00:40:45.989
no, no, but you have some good contenders that

00:40:45.989 --> 00:40:48.929
we don't talk about enough. We do. Give me some

00:40:48.929 --> 00:40:53.079
names. Troy Isley is a really good contender.

00:40:53.099 --> 00:40:55.679
He comes back today on that Clarence Shields

00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.480
case out on the card. I think he's the name he

00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.360
needs to get himself in the championship next.

00:41:00.820 --> 00:41:07.000
And Golden Boy has a certain fighter that they

00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:14.760
have been building up. Amari Jones. Very interesting

00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:20.799
fighter. Okay. And he's trying to force. the

00:41:20.799 --> 00:41:23.860
IBF to call that mandatory so that he can get

00:41:23.860 --> 00:41:27.480
a shot immediately. He automatically He's a very

00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.920
interesting middleweight. He is. And don't forget

00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.619
Yo -Yo Diablo, Yoenly Hernandez Yeah, he's got

00:41:34.619 --> 00:41:37.619
a lot of hype on him. And then we also have Jesus

00:41:37.619 --> 00:41:41.000
Ramos who is now at middleweight and now it's

00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:42.619
time to put up a shut up. Let's see what he can

00:41:42.619 --> 00:41:45.719
do. So I think middleweight has to vary into

00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:49.269
the name. We just need them. Just face off with

00:41:49.269 --> 00:41:51.809
one another, that's all. Does Batru have a middleweight

00:41:51.809 --> 00:41:57.590
prospect? They have Omari Jones. Yeah, right?

00:41:57.590 --> 00:42:00.389
But he's way too young in his career. Okay, but

00:42:00.389 --> 00:42:04.150
he's coming. And then you got, I mean, Shea Moseley's

00:42:04.150 --> 00:42:07.769
coming off his best win, junior. Hey, hey, he

00:42:07.769 --> 00:42:10.769
fought on Dufa. Hey, so did you brought up McKenna,

00:42:10.849 --> 00:42:12.929
so did he. Hey, yo, don't forget what's saying.

00:42:13.289 --> 00:42:15.409
Don't forget my man that has lost a boost. He's

00:42:15.409 --> 00:42:20.829
going to be moving up. Xander Zayas. To me, Xander

00:42:20.829 --> 00:42:22.289
Zayas is the future of the middleweight division.

00:42:22.510 --> 00:42:25.090
That's the most exciting middleweight. If there's

00:42:25.090 --> 00:42:26.210
a middleweight I'm excited about, it's Xander

00:42:26.210 --> 00:42:33.489
Zayas. I'm excited. Go for it, Matt. I'm excited

00:42:33.489 --> 00:42:38.469
about Troy Isley and Amari Jones. I think those

00:42:38.469 --> 00:42:40.929
two guys are the future of the middleweight division.

00:42:41.110 --> 00:42:43.489
Troy Isley is still only 27, by the way. It feels

00:42:43.489 --> 00:42:46.800
like he's been around forever. Troy Isley. Who's

00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:51.300
the, no, no, I know that. Who's the WBC, I said

00:42:51.300 --> 00:42:56.000
who, what am I now? Who's the WBC champion? Carlos

00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:01.719
Adamez. Could they make him one of the champions

00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:06.719
of mandatory for him? Well, he does have a mandatory.

00:43:06.739 --> 00:43:10.579
His mandatory was Miriam Nassaltanov, but the

00:43:10.579 --> 00:43:13.559
WBC ordered Jesus Ramos to fight that mandatory

00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.940
for him. Does he get an interim belt or something

00:43:16.940 --> 00:43:19.019
if he doesn't? Yeah, Jesus Ramos has an interim

00:43:19.019 --> 00:43:22.139
belt already. Okay, so why is he fighting the

00:43:22.139 --> 00:43:25.579
mandatory? He's an interim champion. What is

00:43:25.579 --> 00:43:27.760
he, the security guard? Is he Adamas' bodyguard?

00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:32.559
You know what? I think this is just me reading

00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:34.400
the tea leaves. I'm not going to say I have an

00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:38.000
entire family thing. I think they are giving

00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:44.130
Adamas time to find a big fight because They

00:43:44.130 --> 00:43:46.670
are working on a bigger fight for him. And by

00:43:46.670 --> 00:43:55.369
they, I mean the PBC. No, no. If I tell you the

00:43:55.369 --> 00:43:58.449
WBC is allowing him to get a bigger fight, you

00:43:58.449 --> 00:43:59.510
should be like, you know what? That's a good

00:43:59.510 --> 00:44:02.769
thing. That is a good thing. I don't get why

00:44:02.769 --> 00:44:04.469
you hear a bigger fight and you want it. I can

00:44:04.469 --> 00:44:10.820
get upset. I don't give a shit, Ezra. Matt, he

00:44:10.820 --> 00:44:12.920
don't get it. Think about it, Ezra. What Matt's

00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:14.840
trying to say, he's about to get that bigger

00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:17.440
fight, right? Win or lose, he's going to move

00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:20.539
up, and Ramos will be the new champion. Exactly.

00:44:21.260 --> 00:44:24.980
That's what he's trying to say. I get it. Guys,

00:44:25.139 --> 00:44:30.119
I get it. I don't know why. Hold on. If he wins

00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:32.679
the big fight, maybe that makes the fight between

00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:37.179
him and Ramos kind of big. Like, bro, I don't

00:44:37.179 --> 00:44:42.659
understand why you against Sanctuary Bodies being

00:44:42.659 --> 00:44:44.920
flexible to allow the best fight for the sport.

00:44:44.980 --> 00:44:47.079
They're too flexible. I want consistency. They're

00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:50.280
too damn flexible. No, I care about the big fights.

00:44:51.420 --> 00:44:54.440
I'm not going to lie to you. I saw a lot of complaining

00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:57.500
about Janet Beck being a meritorious for Shiraz

00:44:57.500 --> 00:44:59.739
on the timeline. In my head, I was like, yo,

00:44:59.739 --> 00:45:03.320
I would much rather see Shiraz versus Janet Beck

00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.920
than fucking Shiraz versus Jacob Beck. So thank

00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.559
you, WBO. He shouldn't be in this position, but

00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:12.420
it's a good fight. I'll tell you though, the

00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:15.679
flexibility, these guys might as well call Mr.

00:45:15.860 --> 00:45:18.820
Fantastic. I mean, these are flexible, sexy bodies.

00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.219
These are yoga masters, these sexy bodies. Hey,

00:45:22.219 --> 00:45:26.039
listen, I am a hypocrite. And like Norm MacDonald

00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:28.639
says, it's not the worst thing that you can do

00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:32.800
in a situation. We do have another guest joining

00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.739
the show here, founder of the Cornerstool Substack,

00:45:35.739 --> 00:45:38.539
Cliff Rold. Rold, what do you got to say on the

00:45:38.539 --> 00:45:41.320
news of the divisions here and what they're going

00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:42.960
over, the middleweight division or any of the

00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:44.980
higher divisions that have already been discussed?

00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.739
I just wanted to weigh in real quick and say

00:45:48.739 --> 00:45:51.440
that I do agree with Matt that there is some

00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.619
promising talent in the middleweight division,

00:45:53.860 --> 00:45:58.440
but it is hopelessly optimistic right now to

00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:00.420
pretend that middleweight is anything other than

00:46:00.420 --> 00:46:03.480
trash. It has been trashed for a few years. It

00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:05.260
is still trashed right now, and we don't know

00:46:05.260 --> 00:46:08.019
if those prospects will develop. So you can be

00:46:08.019 --> 00:46:10.340
optimistic about what it might be a year or two

00:46:10.340 --> 00:46:12.239
from now, but right now it's pretty terrible.

00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:16.079
And it's historically terrible because you've

00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:19.280
had this level of bad in the middleweight division

00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.420
before when Hopkins was reigning during the 90s,

00:46:22.420 --> 00:46:24.739
when Golovkin was reigning in the last decade,

00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:27.880
but at least you had Hopkins and you had Golovkin.

00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:33.099
You don't have that right now. He just don't

00:46:33.099 --> 00:46:37.500
fight often enough. Who is that? Avis Landy Laura,

00:46:37.820 --> 00:46:40.119
man. The American dream. Avis Landy Laura has

00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:43.079
not faced a legitimate opponent since Brian Castano

00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:46.039
in 2019. Now, he tried to fight Zanabek. I give

00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.699
him credit for that. And it's not his fault that

00:46:48.699 --> 00:46:50.760
dude popped for drugs and maybe something would

00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.199
have happened there. But seven years without

00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:56.139
a legitimate opponent is nothing to take serious

00:46:56.139 --> 00:47:05.280
at all. He's just biding his time. He's eating

00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.960
on pork chops. I wanted to ask you something

00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:12.199
about the middleweight division. Not to get too

00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:16.920
inside baseball, but recently the TBRB decided

00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:23.739
to drop Adonosa Oliha from number four all the

00:47:23.739 --> 00:47:28.079
way to out of the division after he lost to Aaron

00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:32.550
McKenna. Is middleweight so bad that someone

00:47:32.550 --> 00:47:35.849
can tumble outside the top 10 that way just based

00:47:35.849 --> 00:47:37.590
off of one loss? What are your thoughts on that?

00:47:38.829 --> 00:47:43.650
Yes. Yeah, it's that shallow. Oleja was ranked

00:47:43.650 --> 00:47:45.909
that highly, and he was ranked, I think, fifth

00:47:45.909 --> 00:47:49.570
by ring. It's almost by attrition, right? People

00:47:49.570 --> 00:47:52.030
are watching, and they're trying to weigh performances

00:47:52.030 --> 00:47:55.639
against other performances. But it's all like

00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:58.760
sort of mediocre fighters fighting other more

00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:01.719
mediocre fighters and just sort of staying around

00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:03.599
through attrition. I think there are occasions

00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:06.840
where somebody in the when they're tested and

00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:11.280
you see like how bad they really are when they

00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:15.280
step up past the regional level. Like it became

00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.400
clear that is not a top 10 fighter. And if it

00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:21.219
is, but I'm not sure there are 10 good middleweights

00:48:21.219 --> 00:48:24.619
in the world right now. At least not in any capacity.

00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.000
That's the part I don't get. It seems like 160

00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:32.099
pounds would be a pretty average size for a male,

00:48:32.219 --> 00:48:37.760
right? Why don't we have any? I can explain that.

00:48:37.940 --> 00:48:43.940
All right. In order, the glamour division, middleweight

00:48:43.940 --> 00:48:46.780
will always be one of the glamour divisions in

00:48:46.780 --> 00:48:48.860
boxing. The three glamour divisions of boxing

00:48:48.860 --> 00:48:50.659
are heavyweight, welterweight, and middleweight.

00:48:51.150 --> 00:48:54.550
In terms of riches over time, the two biggest

00:48:54.550 --> 00:48:57.570
in the last 50 years have been welterweight and

00:48:57.570 --> 00:49:00.429
heavyweight. And so welterweights have grown

00:49:00.429 --> 00:49:02.730
accustomed to moving into the junior middleweight

00:49:02.730 --> 00:49:06.190
division because at middleweight, you sometimes

00:49:06.190 --> 00:49:09.710
had dominant single fighters. So you had Hopkins,

00:49:09.869 --> 00:49:12.650
and junior middleweights weren't just running

00:49:12.650 --> 00:49:15.610
up to fight Hopkins. Junior middleweights weren't

00:49:15.610 --> 00:49:20.269
necessarily running up to fight Golovkin. I mean,

00:49:20.269 --> 00:49:23.789
but there wasn't an assortment of junior middleweights

00:49:23.789 --> 00:49:27.150
anyone gave a shit about either. And I think

00:49:27.150 --> 00:49:29.690
that's part of the problem is, well, sometimes,

00:49:29.769 --> 00:49:32.670
but I think a lot of it is just, you know, it's

00:49:32.670 --> 00:49:36.090
convenient to fight at 154 or if you can make

00:49:36.090 --> 00:49:39.030
160 to go ahead and fight at 168 because it's

00:49:39.030 --> 00:49:42.369
typically not been super deep either. There are

00:49:42.369 --> 00:49:44.750
pockets where it's been deep, but not very often.

00:49:45.630 --> 00:49:47.769
And the only time middleweight has been truly

00:49:47.769 --> 00:49:51.530
deep. and super competitive past the top five

00:49:51.530 --> 00:49:55.110
or six guys. It has been in that period between

00:49:55.110 --> 00:49:58.710
Hagler and Hopkins' reigns where it went through

00:49:58.710 --> 00:50:01.929
a run of talent that is comparable to Black Murderer's

00:50:01.929 --> 00:50:12.630
Row in the 1940s. None. You bank. I mean, I ran

00:50:12.630 --> 00:50:14.829
Barkley, Tommy Hearns and Duran at the end of

00:50:14.829 --> 00:50:18.449
their career. Roy Jones, Mike McCallum, Julian

00:50:18.449 --> 00:50:21.670
Jackson. I mean, you had guys like Jorge Castro.

00:50:21.769 --> 00:50:23.929
They're like just lingering around. John David

00:50:23.929 --> 00:50:26.130
Jackson. I mean, look at what went through the

00:50:26.130 --> 00:50:28.409
division in that seven year period. Steve Collins,

00:50:28.489 --> 00:50:34.309
Subu Colombe. I mean, it's just your guy. I love

00:50:34.309 --> 00:50:38.130
Subu Colombe. Great fighter. But yeah, I think.

00:50:40.009 --> 00:50:43.309
I'm sorry, go ahead. No, that's what I'm saying.

00:50:43.389 --> 00:50:47.369
It had such a wealth of talent. For the most

00:50:47.369 --> 00:50:49.789
part, the world missed it outside of some pockets

00:50:49.789 --> 00:50:53.030
of fan favorites in the UK or because they were

00:50:53.030 --> 00:50:54.670
still worried about whether Leonard was going

00:50:54.670 --> 00:50:57.829
to fight Duran for the third time. It just didn't

00:50:57.829 --> 00:51:00.610
produce any superstars. Oh, James Toney also

00:51:00.610 --> 00:51:04.340
there. Reggie Johnson. it didn't produce a single

00:51:04.340 --> 00:51:07.079
superstar because there were too many talents.

00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:09.619
There was so much talent and so much parody,

00:51:09.739 --> 00:51:12.599
it never broke through until some guys started

00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.219
going to super middleweight and light heavyweight.

00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:18.639
Yeah. I just think they need to fight each other

00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:22.920
now. What's that? I just think they need to fight

00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:26.280
each other now. If you told me tomorrow that

00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:28.619
Jesus Ramos is going to fight Troy Isley, I'm

00:51:28.619 --> 00:51:31.900
all in. If you tell me that Amari Jones is going

00:51:31.900 --> 00:51:34.960
to fight Lara, I'm all in. Let's get these guys

00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:38.280
matching off against each other and let's settle

00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:41.780
it. If you start making fights, if you start

00:51:41.780 --> 00:51:46.059
making fights, and then eventually someone will

00:51:46.059 --> 00:51:49.019
emerge, and then you find the guy that you want

00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:51.480
to fight him, either at 160 or coming up from

00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:57.219
154, i .e. Boo Tennis, or... Virgil Ortiz goes

00:51:57.219 --> 00:51:59.360
to 160, which is what he should do right now.

00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:01.900
Clean the fucking division out and then go sit

00:52:01.900 --> 00:52:04.960
there and wait for Ennis. That's how you bring

00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:09.760
middleweight back. Do me a favor, PPC. Nate Lawler

00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:13.139
versus Adamez. That's a great fight. Just make

00:52:13.139 --> 00:52:16.980
the fucking fight. It's a fight. Make the fucking

00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:22.699
fight. I understand these guys have a fight,

00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:24.679
but it's just not talent there. That's the part

00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:27.130
I'm stunned at. not talented. I don't see these

00:52:27.130 --> 00:52:28.750
guys. I'm like, oh, that's an exceptional talent.

00:52:28.949 --> 00:52:30.710
We don't have that. We just don't have that.

00:52:30.730 --> 00:52:34.110
It's just weird to me. That weight class. Well,

00:52:34.190 --> 00:52:38.309
we'll see. Let's move on to 154 pounds. I don't

00:52:38.309 --> 00:52:40.269
really think there's really much going on in

00:52:40.269 --> 00:52:43.030
154 pounds. I was going to save this for the

00:52:43.030 --> 00:52:46.449
rumor report, but because we're kind of running

00:52:46.449 --> 00:52:49.429
behind time, we're going to bring the rumor report

00:52:49.429 --> 00:52:51.530
to 154 pounds right now. Drop the music. You

00:52:51.530 --> 00:53:04.940
want your music? Yep. So the rumor that I have,

00:53:05.139 --> 00:53:08.559
I don't know how much Ezra's going to like it

00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:10.699
because it's not sexy for Ezra, but it's great

00:53:10.699 --> 00:53:16.360
for me. I am hearing that a fight is being worked

00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:23.159
on between Brenda the Show, Rashidi Ellis, and

00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:26.059
Brandon Buchanan Adams. Oh, that's not a bad

00:53:26.059 --> 00:53:32.159
fight. Not a bad fight at all. And that's a fight

00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:35.760
I will watch. Under what streaming service and

00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:39.800
what promotion? I believe that ultimately it

00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:45.320
will be picked up by The Zone. Rashidi Ellis

00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:48.800
fights with CES Boxing, Jimmy Burkefield. Okay.

00:53:50.420 --> 00:53:55.940
I am hoping that this fight gets picked up by

00:53:55.940 --> 00:54:02.190
PBC. Okay. I'm hoping. That's a good fight. I

00:54:02.190 --> 00:54:04.130
got nothing against that fight. It's not like,

00:54:04.309 --> 00:54:07.449
you know, nothing to write home about, but it's

00:54:07.449 --> 00:54:08.849
a good fight. No, it is something to write home

00:54:08.849 --> 00:54:10.170
about. Actually, I'm going to write about it.

00:54:10.210 --> 00:54:12.610
I think it is something to write about. I'm literally

00:54:12.610 --> 00:54:14.530
going to write about this fight. I like this

00:54:14.530 --> 00:54:21.409
fight. I like this fight. It sounds, can I tell

00:54:21.409 --> 00:54:23.590
you what it sounds like? It almost sounds like

00:54:23.590 --> 00:54:27.019
a contender series final. Like you watch their

00:54:27.019 --> 00:54:30.059
lives. You've seen them live in the same facility

00:54:30.059 --> 00:54:32.079
for the last three months and now they're going

00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:36.199
to face it. I look at it this way, right? Both

00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:39.059
of these guys have had trouble getting title

00:54:39.059 --> 00:54:43.320
shots. This could basically serve as a de facto

00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:45.659
title eliminator because there's two interesting

00:54:45.659 --> 00:54:49.659
names and would be well in line to get the title

00:54:49.659 --> 00:54:52.139
shot. Yeah, I like that fight. That's a good

00:54:52.139 --> 00:54:55.239
fight. It's going to be a good... Good fight

00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:56.760
on the undercard. It's going to be a really good

00:54:56.760 --> 00:55:01.679
fight. Yeah, yeah. Let's move on to the 147 -pound

00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:05.619
division. To me, the story... Matt, before you

00:55:05.619 --> 00:55:08.079
move on, one question from the listener here.

00:55:08.179 --> 00:55:11.559
So who the hell is Virgil going to fight? Oh,

00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:15.340
I think he's going to fight Conwell. I think

00:55:15.340 --> 00:55:18.000
I would expect that to be his first fight is

00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:21.639
Conwell. I wouldn't be surprised. And I don't

00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:26.329
hate it. I don't hate it. Yeah. I can tell you

00:55:26.329 --> 00:55:28.570
who's not going to fight. Boots Ennis, Sebastian

00:55:28.570 --> 00:55:31.190
Panora. No, no, no, no. It's going to be Conwell.

00:55:31.289 --> 00:55:33.969
And I want to say one thing. Conwell looked really

00:55:33.969 --> 00:55:36.550
good for the first four rounds of his last fight.

00:55:36.929 --> 00:55:42.030
And then looked tired. And I just think that

00:55:42.030 --> 00:55:44.590
something about the cardio and the stamina of

00:55:44.590 --> 00:55:46.889
fighters, it's getting worse. It's not getting

00:55:46.889 --> 00:55:49.590
better. Either that or maybe Conwell is one of

00:55:49.590 --> 00:55:52.800
these guys that need to be at 160. Maybe, maybe

00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.239
something's happening though, because the cardio

00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:58.820
of fighters is not what it should be for the

00:55:58.820 --> 00:56:01.840
sport that's this advanced. Like this has developed

00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:04.059
over time and people are getting all these new

00:56:04.059 --> 00:56:05.440
cardio work. And I think they're all just a waste

00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.480
of time. I think that a lot of these things are

00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:09.519
not applying to the actual sport you're doing.

00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:11.820
And I think what you're seeing consistently.

00:56:12.570 --> 00:56:15.210
is after the sixth round, seventh round, the

00:56:15.210 --> 00:56:17.190
fighter is not fighting at the same level. And

00:56:17.190 --> 00:56:20.230
it's a big drop -off. And a lot of guys are losing

00:56:20.230 --> 00:56:23.789
because they cannot keep up their style at the

00:56:23.789 --> 00:56:25.630
same pace through all the rounds. And this is

00:56:25.630 --> 00:56:27.250
a problem. You know what that tells me? That

00:56:27.250 --> 00:56:29.150
just tells me that maybe they're not elite. One

00:56:29.150 --> 00:56:31.070
thing about boxing that we've noticed throughout

00:56:31.070 --> 00:56:33.130
the history, and you've talked about it also,

00:56:33.409 --> 00:56:37.510
durability. A lot of these guys are very, very

00:56:37.510 --> 00:56:40.010
durable. If you're not that durable, you're not

00:56:40.010 --> 00:56:42.380
that good. And I think what has happened is that

00:56:42.380 --> 00:56:45.260
the sport has become so watered down that these

00:56:45.260 --> 00:56:48.980
guys who would have been found out long before

00:56:48.980 --> 00:56:51.099
they even, they would have never made it to this

00:56:51.099 --> 00:56:53.780
level. They make it to this level, not being

00:56:53.780 --> 00:56:56.400
the durable guys, not being the guys who are

00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:59.880
really elite. But let's move on to 147. Because

00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:03.400
to me, the big story next week, Tiafema Lopez,

00:57:03.860 --> 00:57:06.260
he's going to be challenging Rolly Romero for

00:57:06.260 --> 00:57:12.599
the WBA welterweight title. He did a sit -down

00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.880
interview with Tia Fima Lopez Sr., his own father.

00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:19.019
Did you get a chance to see any of the highlights

00:57:19.019 --> 00:57:23.539
of this? I did. And the one thing I will say

00:57:23.539 --> 00:57:27.159
about Tia Fima, how they have not given his family

00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:29.980
a reality show yet makes no sense to me. It's

00:57:29.980 --> 00:57:32.260
one of the biggest mistakes that people have

00:57:32.260 --> 00:57:35.280
made in this industry. Because this... You would

00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:37.199
not have to schedule the chaos. You wouldn't

00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:39.139
have to write in a script chaos. You wouldn't

00:57:39.139 --> 00:57:40.980
have to write in the script, oh, you guys are

00:57:40.980 --> 00:57:42.539
going to fake argue here. No, they're going to

00:57:42.539 --> 00:57:44.599
argue all the time and hang out with each other

00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:47.179
all the time. It's unbelievable. That was an

00:57:47.179 --> 00:57:51.679
insane interview. I don't know if it was insane.

00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:56.719
I think it was more insightful than insane. I

00:57:56.719 --> 00:58:00.599
think a lot of what we've been saying about the

00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:02.780
relationship between T .O. Sr. and T .O. Jr.

00:58:03.369 --> 00:58:05.369
Has been correct. Especially in the last fight.

00:58:06.789 --> 00:58:10.690
He may not admit it. But he gave his son nothing.

00:58:10.789 --> 00:58:14.389
In the corner that night. You got to hate yourself

00:58:14.389 --> 00:58:20.590
bro. Fuck him up. Where's your power bro. But

00:58:20.590 --> 00:58:23.909
he wasn't giving him. Any real direction. On

00:58:23.909 --> 00:58:27.190
how to execute. How to get things done. How to

00:58:27.190 --> 00:58:29.789
apply his power. What are you seeing in there.

00:58:29.789 --> 00:58:33.360
That maybe I can do. To help this go our way.

00:58:33.780 --> 00:58:38.539
And I think Teal Jr., as insightful as he is,

00:58:38.780 --> 00:58:44.260
he really touched on that. And it seemed like

00:58:44.260 --> 00:58:48.920
Senior got really, really defensive. They need

00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:51.460
to part ways. Well, here's the thing. You can

00:58:51.460 --> 00:58:53.780
say all that, right? You can say all that. Is

00:58:53.780 --> 00:58:57.699
he training him for the rolling fight? Yes. Let

00:58:57.699 --> 00:58:59.719
me tell you something. They're not too insightful.

00:59:00.780 --> 00:59:03.480
It's chaos. They just live in chaos. These guys

00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:05.119
don't learn from their mistakes. One doesn't

00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:06.280
learn from the other, and the other doesn't learn

00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:08.739
from the other mistakes that they make. It's

00:59:08.739 --> 00:59:11.659
the exact same thing over and over again. It's

00:59:11.659 --> 00:59:13.960
just chaos, and that's why it's... You have a

00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:16.280
kid that's just searching for his dad's approval.

00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:19.360
That's what it really is. He's searching for

00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:23.079
his dad's approval, man. There was a lot to unpack

00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:25.420
that. I'm surprised that you're just... laughing

00:59:25.420 --> 00:59:27.300
and making a joke out of it. There was a lot

00:59:27.300 --> 00:59:29.599
to unpack there. It's not that much to unpack.

00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:32.059
It's pretty obvious what to unpack. But here's

00:59:32.059 --> 00:59:33.900
the thing which you have to realize, right? How

00:59:33.900 --> 00:59:40.079
old is T .P. Moore? Like 28, 29 maybe? 28, 29

00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:43.019
years old, right? Maybe. He could be younger.

00:59:43.539 --> 00:59:47.000
At this point, right? Maybe 27. And after the

00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:50.300
disaster of what that fight was in the corner.

00:59:51.139 --> 00:59:54.079
And you've had success with other people helping

00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:56.639
in the corner. You can't see that, hey, I need

00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:59.739
to make this move. Then I'm sorry, but I'm not

00:59:59.739 --> 01:00:01.219
going to be like, oh, well, this is it. It's

01:00:01.219 --> 01:00:04.380
very hard to break from your father, bro. Bro,

01:00:04.380 --> 01:00:09.739
bro. Come on. Come on. Come on. At what point

01:00:09.739 --> 01:00:12.579
is he a grown man? At what point is he like,

01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:14.780
hey, I'm a grown man. I got to make my decision.

01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:17.409
And we've seen fighters. over and over again

01:00:17.409 --> 01:00:19.469
at this age at this point in their career gonna

01:00:19.469 --> 01:00:21.789
get close to 30s switch and the thing it's not

01:00:21.789 --> 01:00:23.769
nothing new it's not something oh this is unbelievable

01:00:23.769 --> 01:00:25.510
you can't do it so the fighters can't do it over

01:00:25.510 --> 01:00:27.309
no a lot of fighters have done it a lot of fighters

01:00:27.309 --> 01:00:29.250
say it's going a little south you know what let

01:00:29.250 --> 01:00:32.070
me go this direction now i think it's it's the

01:00:32.070 --> 01:00:33.849
same thing over and over again we saw this this

01:00:33.849 --> 01:00:36.190
isn't i've not seen this for the first time it's

01:00:36.190 --> 01:00:38.449
just another episode of what i've seen before

01:00:38.449 --> 01:00:41.010
this has happened for years now this has been

01:00:41.010 --> 01:00:43.909
happening and until been uh calling until and

01:00:43.909 --> 01:00:46.349
then i've been arguing about this It's the same

01:00:46.349 --> 01:00:47.869
thing. So that's why it's funny to me because

01:00:47.869 --> 01:00:49.969
it's just the same episode. I've seen it before.

01:00:50.090 --> 01:00:51.530
You know what? It is entertaining. It was entertaining

01:00:51.530 --> 01:00:54.989
this time again. He's a grown man. He's close.

01:00:55.250 --> 01:00:57.730
He's 30 years old. He could make the call if

01:00:57.730 --> 01:01:00.090
he wants to. But they like the chaos. And he

01:01:00.090 --> 01:01:02.570
also, to be honest with you, he doesn't want

01:01:02.570 --> 01:01:05.409
someone else telling him what to do. He doesn't

01:01:05.409 --> 01:01:07.750
want no one else to because they know how to

01:01:07.750 --> 01:01:09.269
train with each other where it's like he's going

01:01:09.269 --> 01:01:10.590
to do what he wants because he's the kind of

01:01:10.590 --> 01:01:12.590
guy that kind of wants to do what he wants. His

01:01:12.590 --> 01:01:14.329
dad's going to go in there, talk, but he's going

01:01:14.329 --> 01:01:16.429
to let him do what he wants. And that's it. He's

01:01:16.429 --> 01:01:18.989
a guy that he looks in shape. He looks all these

01:01:18.989 --> 01:01:20.670
things, but he's not trying to switch his style.

01:01:20.730 --> 01:01:22.349
He's not trying to work on something else. He's

01:01:22.349 --> 01:01:27.429
not trying to do any of that. Yeah. Wow. Comfort.

01:01:27.789 --> 01:01:30.449
Comfort. I'm going to tell you right now, Ezra,

01:01:30.570 --> 01:01:33.530
you're going to hate yourself for that take,

01:01:33.570 --> 01:01:39.380
bro. You're going to hate yourself, bro. Oh,

01:01:39.380 --> 01:01:45.519
man. That's funny. What do you guys think? What

01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:50.599
do you think? Matt, can you repeat that? You

01:01:50.599 --> 01:02:00.500
were breaking up. I heard something about Devin

01:02:00.500 --> 01:02:02.199
Haney and Keyshawn Davis. Yeah, let's just move

01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:04.139
on. I don't think it's worth the third time.

01:02:06.340 --> 01:02:10.079
Yeah, let's move on. The people heard me. I don't

01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:12.219
know if you guys heard me, but the people heard

01:02:12.219 --> 01:02:15.639
me. I believe so. Last thing on the T .O. Rowley

01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:17.679
thing. Question from Alan Day here. If T .O.

01:02:17.699 --> 01:02:19.500
versus Rowley is close, he says T .O. needs to

01:02:19.500 --> 01:02:22.340
retire. What are your thoughts on that? Why?

01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:26.860
No, no. This just tells me that Alan Day Sr.

01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:29.119
doesn't respect Rowley. And it just tells me

01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:31.880
he hasn't been watching the improvement of Rowley.

01:02:32.980 --> 01:02:37.219
So I don't respect that statement. Well, because

01:02:37.219 --> 01:02:39.179
I think two of the three people on the show right

01:02:39.179 --> 01:02:42.159
now are picking Rowley to win that fight. I don't

01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:45.440
know about Ezra. We shall see when that fight

01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:48.059
comes up. Yeah, what I'm going to say is the

01:02:48.059 --> 01:02:50.940
distance between me and Ezra in this picks contest

01:02:50.940 --> 01:02:54.280
is going to get wider that night. So here's the

01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:57.480
thing, right? There was something that Roley

01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:59.619
said, and I don't agree with it, but it gave

01:02:59.619 --> 01:03:02.260
me a good idea where I think the boxing should

01:03:02.260 --> 01:03:05.440
do this. He said if he wins this fight, he'll

01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:08.320
make him a Hall of Famer. I don't agree with

01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:12.219
that. But here's the thing. I do think that the

01:03:12.219 --> 01:03:15.199
Hall of Fame would be smart to make Hall of Fame

01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:18.440
matchups. That's a matchup where you get two

01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:23.130
guys, right? Wait. I would like to get bogged

01:03:23.130 --> 01:03:27.989
down by your autistic idea. Your half -baked

01:03:27.989 --> 01:03:31.309
idea. I literally heard you mumble something

01:03:31.309 --> 01:03:34.949
and I had to hear it twice. Let me please get

01:03:34.949 --> 01:03:36.210
this. Let's just move on, Ezra, please. Here's

01:03:36.210 --> 01:03:38.070
the thing. You're going to find like... Wait,

01:03:38.150 --> 01:03:39.989
just real quick. Earl Spence, right? Don't cut

01:03:39.989 --> 01:03:42.730
my show short when it's time for me to cook later

01:03:42.730 --> 01:03:44.510
in the show. I'm just letting you know that right

01:03:44.510 --> 01:03:48.119
now. Earl Spence. and Terrence Crawford, right,

01:03:48.179 --> 01:03:49.739
when they fought each other, everyone, I think,

01:03:49.780 --> 01:03:51.699
agreed the winner of this is going to be a Hall

01:03:51.699 --> 01:03:53.780
of Fame. Okay? So what the Hall of Fame should

01:03:53.780 --> 01:03:56.099
do is make this is a Hall of Fame matchup. The

01:03:56.099 --> 01:03:58.880
winner of this fight will officially earn their

01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:01.619
spot in the Hall of Fame. And you have the jacket

01:04:01.619 --> 01:04:04.059
ready at the end of the fight. I think that they

01:04:04.059 --> 01:04:05.820
should definitely do that. That is something

01:04:05.820 --> 01:04:08.079
to make these fights add a little bit more interest

01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:11.699
to these fights. A Hall of Fame fight. I think

01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:15.860
that's a great idea. Fantastic. Bad idea. Can

01:04:15.860 --> 01:04:18.980
we move on now? Tell me how that's a bad idea.

01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:24.699
Ezra, we'll go over this in a space. We just

01:04:24.699 --> 01:04:28.159
talked about 160 pounds for 20 minutes and you're

01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:29.880
going to tell me that this is untalkable. I'm

01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:32.900
sorry. Are you guys out of your mind? What are

01:04:32.900 --> 01:04:35.519
we going to talk about? You hear what's happening

01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.820
at 122? I just said this is a genius idea and

01:04:38.820 --> 01:04:40.500
this is the problem with you guys. You guys don't

01:04:40.500 --> 01:04:43.079
have any vision. Let me tell you what's going

01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:46.309
to happen. Some idiot, right? Tim Bradley, Paulie

01:04:46.309 --> 01:04:47.829
Malignaggi is going to say this on one of their

01:04:47.829 --> 01:04:50.210
stupid spaces that people pay attention to for

01:04:50.210 --> 01:04:52.190
God knows what reason, right? And then people

01:04:52.190 --> 01:04:54.409
are like, you know what? Wow, that's a good idea.

01:04:54.550 --> 01:04:56.570
And then Matt's going to be like, you know, Ezra

01:04:56.570 --> 01:04:59.130
brought that up a long time ago. Hey, hey, hey,

01:04:59.130 --> 01:05:00.969
Ezra. Hey, Ezra, you know what you could do,

01:05:01.030 --> 01:05:03.829
Ezra? How about the video about it? Or how about

01:05:03.829 --> 01:05:07.329
you fucking clip from the fucking show your idea

01:05:07.329 --> 01:05:10.489
and post it? How about that? Get off your ass

01:05:10.489 --> 01:05:13.650
and fucking clip the show. and fucking post it

01:05:13.650 --> 01:05:16.030
so people can know you said it first. You know

01:05:16.030 --> 01:05:18.670
what, Ezra? I took the timestamp down. I will

01:05:18.670 --> 01:05:20.969
make sure to clip this one for you. Now you want

01:05:20.969 --> 01:05:23.550
to move on, right? Son of a bitch. Let's move

01:05:23.550 --> 01:05:27.070
to 140. Nothing's happening at 140. Let's move

01:05:27.070 --> 01:05:31.250
to 135. One thing, a comment from the listeners

01:05:31.250 --> 01:05:34.630
says, best story at 140 is prospect Slick Nick

01:05:34.630 --> 01:05:37.210
Sullivan fighting August 27th with head coach

01:05:37.210 --> 01:05:42.989
Coach Sibby. Who gives a who? Shout out to Sibby.

01:05:42.989 --> 01:05:46.570
Shout out to Sibby. He's fighting an undefeated

01:05:46.570 --> 01:05:50.170
golden boy prospect. Hey, listen. I could give

01:05:50.170 --> 01:05:56.130
a fuck. Not me. I care. I care. Oh, 147. I also

01:05:56.130 --> 01:06:00.909
want to talk about I think Barbosa did a very

01:06:00.909 --> 01:06:04.469
smart thing. No, please. You're not talking about

01:06:04.469 --> 01:06:07.789
this UFC guy. I think he did very good for his

01:06:07.789 --> 01:06:10.630
name. By sparring Green. I think he did a, was

01:06:10.630 --> 01:06:13.489
a smart strategic move of doing that. No one

01:06:13.489 --> 01:06:16.610
cares. Oh, that's not true. See, this is my problem.

01:06:16.690 --> 01:06:18.389
You don't have your ear to the streets. This

01:06:18.389 --> 01:06:20.429
is my problem is you think you're better than

01:06:20.429 --> 01:06:22.730
the people. That's your problem. That's not my

01:06:22.730 --> 01:06:24.469
problem. You think you're better than the people.

01:06:24.510 --> 01:06:26.710
When everyone was talking about this, everyone

01:06:26.710 --> 01:06:28.469
was talking about this. This is one of the biggest

01:06:28.469 --> 01:06:30.530
stories actually happening in boxing in this

01:06:30.530 --> 01:06:32.489
slow week, but you don't have it. You think you're

01:06:32.489 --> 01:06:34.429
better than the people. That's your problem.

01:06:34.510 --> 01:06:37.239
Not me. I'm a man of the people. I'm a man of

01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:39.000
the people. That's why when I do the show, I'm

01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:41.280
around the people. I got my ear to the street

01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:47.800
still. Move on to the next week. Let's go to

01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:50.139
135. I don't really think there's anything at

01:06:50.139 --> 01:06:53.260
140. Besides Frank Martin announced he's going

01:06:53.260 --> 01:06:54.599
to be fighting someone named, I think, Brian

01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:56.340
Alvarez or Brian Flores, somebody like that.

01:06:56.920 --> 01:07:01.460
Not really important. 135. What's happening to

01:07:01.460 --> 01:07:06.360
135? Well, we got Schofield and It's fighting

01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:09.519
against Lucas Body for the title. Yes, that has

01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:14.039
been announced. Yes. Yeah, we know that Cepeda

01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:17.320
is coming off his biggest win. He's a champion.

01:07:17.539 --> 01:07:20.920
Forget about that. Let's talk Schofield Body.

01:07:21.659 --> 01:07:23.400
It's going to be for the vacant belt. It's going

01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:27.380
to be in October. Who are you favoring in this

01:07:27.380 --> 01:07:29.489
fight? My favorite is Schofield. I think Schofield

01:07:29.489 --> 01:07:32.130
is a guy with a lot of ability. He has a lot

01:07:32.130 --> 01:07:35.010
of ability. Now, does he have the ring IQ and

01:07:35.010 --> 01:07:36.750
everything to put it all together? That's the

01:07:36.750 --> 01:07:39.289
question, right? But if he does put it together,

01:07:39.389 --> 01:07:41.170
I'm telling you right now, this guy, sometimes,

01:07:41.449 --> 01:07:43.690
I don't know why, I think it's his dad. Honestly,

01:07:43.750 --> 01:07:46.670
I think it's his dad. And the weird things that

01:07:46.670 --> 01:07:48.670
happen when he wants to go fight Shakur. But

01:07:48.670 --> 01:07:51.349
I think people put people down and don't expect

01:07:51.349 --> 01:07:53.130
a lot from them outside of things that they do

01:07:53.130 --> 01:07:54.989
in the ring. It's outside of all those things.

01:07:55.070 --> 01:07:56.909
This dude has a lot of ability, more than most

01:07:56.909 --> 01:08:00.000
guys. When it comes down to it, I'm going to

01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.780
be honest with you, ability is going to outweigh

01:08:02.780 --> 01:08:04.199
everything. It's going to outweigh technique.

01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.940
Oh, he doesn't do things right. I'm sorry. The

01:08:06.940 --> 01:08:08.820
guys that have ability, they can break the rules.

01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:10.820
They can do things and still get away with it.

01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:14.659
He has ability. We're going to see. I think he's

01:08:14.659 --> 01:08:16.600
going to win this fight pretty easily, in my

01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:17.699
opinion. I think he's going to win this fight

01:08:17.699 --> 01:08:19.439
pretty cleanly. And then we'll see him against

01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:21.180
the top top. And we'll see how they move on from

01:08:21.180 --> 01:08:22.819
that point. But I think that he's going to look

01:08:22.819 --> 01:08:25.640
really good in this fight. Is he going to hate

01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:27.770
himself, bro? He might hate himself, bro. If

01:08:27.770 --> 01:08:30.470
he loses the fight, he will hate himself. All

01:08:30.470 --> 01:08:35.970
right. 1 .30, we're waiting to see if Emmanuel

01:08:35.970 --> 01:08:39.489
Navarrete versus Oshaki Forster gets pushed over

01:08:39.489 --> 01:08:42.729
the finish line. Do you think that fight ultimately

01:08:42.729 --> 01:08:45.489
gets done? Oh, I have my doubts. Oh, I have my

01:08:45.489 --> 01:08:48.869
doubts. And it's because of a man named Lomachenko.

01:08:48.989 --> 01:08:51.710
I have my doubts because of a man named Lomachenko

01:08:51.710 --> 01:08:54.640
who... Supposedly coming back to fight Charlie

01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:56.300
Suarez, which is a fight I did not think was

01:08:56.300 --> 01:08:57.560
going to happen, so I'll admit that I was wrong

01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:00.479
on that one. And I think that Navarrete is going

01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:02.220
to hold on to that belt, not going to rest in

01:09:02.220 --> 01:09:04.899
that belt until you see what happens with Lomachenko

01:09:04.899 --> 01:09:10.439
and Suarez. Really? I do. I don't think... I

01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:12.859
gotta tell you, that would be very disappointing.

01:09:13.420 --> 01:09:15.439
It would. And I don't think Navarrete ever wanted

01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:17.500
to fight Foster. Ever. I don't think he ever

01:09:17.500 --> 01:09:19.159
wanted to fight Foster. I think it's a terrible

01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:21.359
matchup for him. I actually think that it would

01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:23.520
be... I'm telling you, that's like close to a

01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:26.560
12 -0 for me, for Foster. I think that's close

01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:30.060
to a 12 -0 fight for me, for Foster. And I don't

01:09:30.060 --> 01:09:31.539
think they want anything to do with it, and I

01:09:31.539 --> 01:09:33.539
think they see a Loma payday, they see a fight,

01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:35.380
and they say, you know what? Let's wait for that.

01:09:36.619 --> 01:09:39.119
All right. Best of the lower weight divisions

01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:42.460
from 126 all the way down to 105. Any stories

01:09:42.460 --> 01:09:44.680
in any of these lower divisions that you want

01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:47.579
to talk about? Well, in a way, in February, correct?

01:09:47.659 --> 01:09:50.979
And it's either going to be... Bam or 126. I

01:09:50.979 --> 01:09:54.939
don't know if I believe that. I think I don't

01:09:54.939 --> 01:09:56.399
think anyways, it's going to take the rest of

01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:58.579
the year off. Oh, really? Well, I mean, he's

01:09:58.579 --> 01:10:00.779
been pretty open. I mean, he's himself has said

01:10:00.779 --> 01:10:05.140
he's not coming back till next year. So that's

01:10:05.140 --> 01:10:07.699
what you know what that is. If I would have said

01:10:07.699 --> 01:10:09.960
that, right, then if someone would have said,

01:10:09.979 --> 01:10:11.890
you're just you're just assuming. I don't know

01:10:11.890 --> 01:10:13.149
what you're doing to sue me. How about we just

01:10:13.149 --> 01:10:15.810
trust the fighter? So I'm just, that's, I respect

01:10:15.810 --> 01:10:17.989
it. If you feel you see something and he says

01:10:17.989 --> 01:10:20.130
he'll come back, I respect it, right? Let's see.

01:10:20.369 --> 01:10:22.949
But he's saying he's coming back next year. I

01:10:22.949 --> 01:10:24.989
could have sworn, and it cut him from wrong.

01:10:25.449 --> 01:10:31.229
He said he wasn't going to stay at 122 until

01:10:31.229 --> 01:10:33.250
March for the ladies, so wait for them until

01:10:33.250 --> 01:10:35.130
March. But I don't think he said he's not going

01:10:35.130 --> 01:10:37.470
to fight in between then. Everything I'm reading

01:10:37.470 --> 01:10:39.409
is translated, so it could not be translated

01:10:39.409 --> 01:10:42.539
correctly. But from what I'm seeing is that he

01:10:42.539 --> 01:10:44.239
said he's going to fight in February, and he

01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:47.239
wants that to be Bam. He said he'll fight Bam.

01:10:47.380 --> 01:10:52.079
If it's not Bam, he'll fight at 126. But I do

01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:54.399
remember, I will say this, I do remember them

01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:56.319
saying one more fight this year a while back,

01:10:56.460 --> 01:11:01.579
and it was supposedly against, was it Nishida

01:11:01.579 --> 01:11:05.239
or something like that? I do remember that being

01:11:05.239 --> 01:11:10.460
talked about. All right, let's... Let's get to

01:11:10.460 --> 01:11:14.239
your favorite part of the show. The Ezra breakdown,

01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:18.140
Ezra report card, and the best bet of the day.

01:11:18.699 --> 01:11:24.319
But today, it's my turn. It's my favorite part

01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:27.899
of the show. I will be doing the Ezra breakdown

01:11:27.899 --> 01:11:33.380
because it's my time to shine. We have women's

01:11:33.380 --> 01:11:37.779
boxing. We have the quote, the greatest woman

01:11:37.779 --> 01:11:42.350
of all time. Caressa T -Rex Shields. She returns

01:11:42.350 --> 01:11:45.829
to the middleweight division where she won the

01:11:45.829 --> 01:11:50.489
undisputed title two times. Okay, two times.

01:11:50.869 --> 01:11:56.350
And she will be fighting Kay Scott for the Unified

01:11:56.350 --> 01:12:00.670
Middleweight Championship. It's going to be at

01:12:00.670 --> 01:12:03.890
the State Farm Arena in Atlanta, Georgia. Brunch

01:12:03.890 --> 01:12:06.510
Boxing does have boots on the ground. Shout out

01:12:06.510 --> 01:12:10.020
to our guy Bobby. who is covering the whole event

01:12:10.020 --> 01:12:13.960
on behalf of Bunch Boxing. And he had a lot of

01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:19.239
great things to say. He said the hoes are out.

01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:26.520
He said that he has never seen this kind of talent.

01:12:27.060 --> 01:12:30.180
And when I say talent, I'm talking about the

01:12:30.180 --> 01:12:33.920
biddies. He has never seen this kind of talent

01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:39.199
at a fight, even a tank fight. He said, Clarissa

01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:42.199
is bringing them out. So many beautiful women

01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:45.659
out there. You know, so that's first and foremost.

01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:50.239
Second of all, Kay Scott, decorated amateur.

01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:54.479
She's a very good fighter. She only has, I believe,

01:12:54.579 --> 01:12:56.220
like seven pro fighters, or at least she's like

01:12:56.220 --> 01:12:58.699
five, one, and one. I think she lost to Desley

01:12:58.699 --> 01:13:02.319
Robinson, who just lost to Tim Tibble last week.

01:13:04.460 --> 01:13:06.420
Even her series with Desley Robinson because

01:13:06.420 --> 01:13:09.439
they were one -on -one with each other. Does

01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:14.279
she have a chance tonight? Nah. I think Clarissa

01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:17.920
Shields not only beats her, but she stops her.

01:13:18.340 --> 01:13:22.220
I think Clarissa Shields is coming to put the

01:13:22.220 --> 01:13:24.939
middleweight division on notice again. This is

01:13:24.939 --> 01:13:27.619
her division. This division that she has always

01:13:27.619 --> 01:13:32.579
ruled. And she said, hey, MVP. You want me to

01:13:32.579 --> 01:13:34.380
fight your girl? Lift the bed. I'm going to beat

01:13:34.380 --> 01:13:42.140
their asses. Okay. The rest is still. She. People

01:13:42.140 --> 01:13:46.600
are not going to want to hear this. She is. The

01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:50.720
biggest American star in boxing right now. She

01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:53.100
is the biggest American star in boxing right

01:13:53.100 --> 01:13:58.000
now. You don't know who K Scott is. But yet.

01:13:58.799 --> 01:14:01.640
Clarissa Shields is drawing a huge crowd to see

01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:05.619
her fight. Everybody that Clarissa Shields fights,

01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:09.100
she draws a big crowd. You could put me and you

01:14:09.100 --> 01:14:11.800
on the other side of the bill, and she would

01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:15.300
draw a big crowd. Because Clarissa Shields is

01:14:15.300 --> 01:14:21.260
now Fox office. And I cannot wait for this event.

01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:26.739
The cold feature, don't you know, got canceled.

01:14:27.889 --> 01:14:31.289
Tito Mercado's opponent came in overweight, and

01:14:31.289 --> 01:14:34.130
then his replacement opponent also came in overweight.

01:14:34.449 --> 01:14:37.390
So both of his fights got canceled. He will not

01:14:37.390 --> 01:14:43.449
be fighting this weekend. Do I ever interrupt

01:14:43.449 --> 01:14:49.569
Ezra right now? We also have Troy Isley versus

01:14:49.569 --> 01:14:54.569
Joseph Hicks in a battle of former Olympic rivals.

01:14:55.340 --> 01:14:58.100
I'm expecting for Isley to get that done. I think

01:14:58.100 --> 01:15:01.140
he's going to get it done handily. Joseph Hicks

01:15:01.140 --> 01:15:03.739
is really talking a lot of shit and Troy Isley

01:15:03.739 --> 01:15:06.420
is not happy about that. And I think Troy Isley

01:15:06.420 --> 01:15:08.260
is going to try to go in there and step on him

01:15:08.260 --> 01:15:11.859
and continue his ascent in the middleweight division.

01:15:12.420 --> 01:15:16.380
We also have Caroline Baer who did a guest spot

01:15:16.380 --> 01:15:19.020
on Bunch Boxing a couple weeks ago. So you guys

01:15:19.020 --> 01:15:22.359
can go check that out. She's going to be fighting

01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:26.840
against Bernice Ferreira from South Africa. Looks

01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:30.199
like an interesting fight. Caroline Vare, her

01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:32.939
last fight was a really, really ugly fight against

01:15:32.939 --> 01:15:35.460
Lothian Persone, but she says she's learned a

01:15:35.460 --> 01:15:37.539
lot from that fight, so I guess we're going to

01:15:37.539 --> 01:15:41.779
see what she's learned. In the under -under card,

01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:47.539
hey, hey, hey, Atif Overton will be main eventing

01:15:47.539 --> 01:15:52.159
against Romer Angulo, former David Benavidez

01:15:52.159 --> 01:15:55.619
opponent. The biggest story of that fight is,

01:15:55.739 --> 01:15:58.300
first of all, what are teeth is going to be wearing?

01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:01.279
And can he beat Romero Angulo better than David

01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:08.199
Benavidez did? But what we're tuning in for Ray

01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:13.640
J versus Orlando Brown, Brandy's brother versus

01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:18.760
the former. That's all Raven star. I cannot wait

01:16:18.760 --> 01:16:25.130
to see that fight. We saw, uh, We saw Ray J get

01:16:25.130 --> 01:16:27.029
knocked out in his last fight. We've never seen

01:16:27.029 --> 01:16:29.069
Orlando Brown fight. The only thing I've seen

01:16:29.069 --> 01:16:32.210
Orlando Brown do was belate a microphone, apparently,

01:16:32.409 --> 01:16:35.989
which was pretty friggin' disgusting. And then

01:16:35.989 --> 01:16:45.109
we also have Big Lex versus Taheski, who is Krishan

01:16:45.109 --> 01:16:48.069
Vaksitha. That's going to be a slobber knocker.

01:16:49.510 --> 01:16:57.159
Overall, I know Ezra's not going to agree. I

01:16:57.159 --> 01:17:01.220
got to give this call to A+. I got to give this

01:17:01.220 --> 01:17:08.000
call to A+. Because the sheer massiveness of

01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:11.840
the event, the sheer, like, how many people are

01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:14.100
going to be in the building, the energy in the

01:17:14.100 --> 01:17:16.819
building. You got Clarence DeShields, who's always

01:17:16.819 --> 01:17:19.859
a good watch. You got an interesting matchup

01:17:19.859 --> 01:17:22.479
between Cora Isley and Hicks. Atif Overton is

01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:25.579
always a good watch. And then you got the celebrity

01:17:25.579 --> 01:17:29.920
fights. I'm all in on this card. And I cannot

01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:33.020
wait to see the action. So I'm giving this an

01:17:33.020 --> 01:17:35.840
A+. But my official picks are going to be Corresa

01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:41.699
Shields by stoppage. And my confidence is a five.

01:17:42.460 --> 01:17:45.500
I'm the same. Corresa Shields by stoppage. Confidence

01:17:45.500 --> 01:17:48.920
is a five. I did have one question. You said

01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:50.800
she's the biggest U .S. star in boxing, correct?

01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:57.159
Yeah. If you think she's a bigger star than Tank,

01:17:57.300 --> 01:17:59.699
or are you just eliminating Tank? Tank is retired.

01:18:00.420 --> 01:18:03.279
Okay. Tank is retired. Until further notice,

01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:05.239
Tank is retired. You know what? Let me know when

01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:10.220
Tank comes back. If that's the case, I think

01:18:10.220 --> 01:18:12.659
you have an argument. I think you have an argument

01:18:12.659 --> 01:18:18.460
for sure. Good and good. Good and good. Yep.

01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:23.510
Yep. Now, What did you make of the stuff surrounding

01:18:23.510 --> 01:18:26.930
the fight, the whole swimsuit gate? They're saying

01:18:26.930 --> 01:18:30.829
that Clarissa Shields copied Alicia Bumgarner's

01:18:30.829 --> 01:18:35.670
swimsuit. The MVP put out a statement. Two -tone

01:18:35.670 --> 01:18:39.489
the superstar said, that's musty energy. You

01:18:39.489 --> 01:18:44.829
had Alicia Bumgarner putting out a statement.

01:18:45.149 --> 01:18:48.289
French on crew says Clarissa Shields. What do

01:18:48.289 --> 01:18:51.039
you make of all of this? I do not give a damn.

01:18:51.319 --> 01:18:53.479
I do not give a damn. I couldn't give a damn

01:18:53.479 --> 01:18:56.100
less. I got to be honest with you. I don't care.

01:18:56.239 --> 01:19:00.180
This whole, listen, this TMZ thing of boxing,

01:19:00.340 --> 01:19:03.659
I don't care. I don't care. It's the stupidest

01:19:03.659 --> 01:19:06.140
thing to me. It's the stupidest thing to me.

01:19:06.199 --> 01:19:09.960
It's nonsense. Maybe this, like I said, I do

01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:11.960
think that, you know, this whole course of Shields,

01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:13.960
Bumgarner, I think Bumgarner's kind of dumb not

01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:16.880
trying to cash in on that fight. uh, in my opinion,

01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:19.520
that seems like a massive fight, a mega fight.

01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:21.239
If they don't see the money there for that fight,

01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:23.060
I don't know. I don't know what to tell them,

01:19:23.079 --> 01:19:25.899
but, uh, yeah, it's just, I don't give a damn.

01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:28.079
I'll be honest with you. I don't. Yeah. I have

01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:30.239
a hard time getting shit. But since when did

01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:33.939
all these men become women's experts? I, I, I,

01:19:33.939 --> 01:19:35.699
I don't, I don't know where this is coming from.

01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:37.659
I don't know how there's even a marketplace for

01:19:37.659 --> 01:19:39.960
this. I don't get it, but yeah, I don't, I don't

01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:44.500
give a damn, but I will say this. What a way

01:19:44.500 --> 01:19:46.439
for Carissa Shields to get MVP to promote her

01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:50.119
fight. They all gave her a free promo. Yeah,

01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:51.659
it's stupid. They all gave her a free promo.

01:19:52.579 --> 01:19:54.600
That's the weirdest. Those guys are weird. But

01:19:54.600 --> 01:19:56.720
I will say this, though. Carissa Shields is a

01:19:56.720 --> 01:20:00.699
mega star. They all were tuning in. Yeah, Carissa

01:20:00.699 --> 01:20:02.640
Shields is a mega star. She is for sure that.

01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:05.420
She is. And she's, to me, done it against the

01:20:05.420 --> 01:20:08.399
odds. She really has. She's in women's boxing.

01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:12.399
Yeah. Like, no one's trying to give her any attention.

01:20:12.659 --> 01:20:13.979
Like, it's not like everyone's like, oh, this

01:20:13.979 --> 01:20:16.739
is a cash cow. She's done it with a smaller promoter.

01:20:17.340 --> 01:20:19.479
Everything has been against the odds, and she's

01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:23.199
turned out to be a star in boxing. Yeah, she

01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:25.880
got a lot of work on her out tonight. I hope

01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:30.039
a lot of wins, something real scandalous. It's

01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:31.819
going to be some good stuff. But one thing I

01:20:31.819 --> 01:20:33.659
will say about Clarissa Shields, not to be negative,

01:20:34.100 --> 01:20:38.880
Clarissa, please stay out the studio. Please.

01:20:39.529 --> 01:20:44.850
I heard the new song. Hated it. Goodness, goodness.

01:20:45.170 --> 01:20:48.970
What is this thing? Who cares? Let's make some

01:20:48.970 --> 01:20:52.810
money. Remember celebrities in the 80s? Hold

01:20:52.810 --> 01:20:55.729
on, hold on. Before you make some people some

01:20:55.729 --> 01:20:58.829
money, you guys got some bonus picks on the celebrity

01:20:58.829 --> 01:21:00.689
fights. Okay, we're going to do it right now.

01:21:00.710 --> 01:21:02.710
But just real quick. In the 80s, right, celebrities

01:21:02.710 --> 01:21:04.510
would make albums. Yeah, like Bruce Willis, Eddie

01:21:04.510 --> 01:21:06.770
Murphy, all these things, right? 90s kind of

01:21:06.770 --> 01:21:09.350
fell off. You had maybe like Shaq and then Kobe

01:21:09.350 --> 01:21:11.909
tried to do some music thing. Are we back to

01:21:11.909 --> 01:21:13.869
that? Are we back to like, you know, we've seen

01:21:13.869 --> 01:21:15.529
The Rock going to release an album? I hope not.

01:21:15.829 --> 01:21:19.069
I think we're back to it. I thought we learned

01:21:19.069 --> 01:21:21.449
from it and said, people don't want that. But

01:21:21.449 --> 01:21:23.989
it seems like we're back to it. Pat McAfee just

01:21:23.989 --> 01:21:26.380
released a country music album. You know what?

01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:28.659
I meant to check that out. Because I could only

01:21:28.659 --> 01:21:31.239
imagine how terrible that is. It must be god

01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:34.340
-awful. That would actually be a good album name

01:21:34.340 --> 01:21:36.380
for him. God -awful. That's not too bad. The

01:21:36.380 --> 01:21:38.279
thing is, Ezra, is we've gotten too far removed

01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:40.920
from the 80s and 90s, so the new generation of

01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:42.939
celebrities don't know that that already failed.

01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:46.479
Yeah. It's like, who's asking for this? Well,

01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:50.079
except for Eddie Murphy. Eddie Murphy was asked.

01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:51.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Except Eddie Murphy didn't

01:21:51.460 --> 01:21:55.369
fail. That's true. Why is that? Why is that?

01:21:56.510 --> 01:21:59.569
Why is that with you? But don't forget party

01:21:59.569 --> 01:22:01.930
all the time was a hit. Yeah, I want to party

01:22:01.930 --> 01:22:05.470
all the time. Yes. Now let's make the people

01:22:05.470 --> 01:22:11.050
some money, Ezra. I have Carissa Shields by Stoppage.

01:22:12.329 --> 01:22:15.649
And I'm going to pair that in with Olberton by

01:22:15.649 --> 01:22:25.359
Stoppage. Do you like parlay? Daddy like. Okay.

01:22:26.479 --> 01:22:39.520
So. I'm going to go. With. And I'm going to go.

01:22:40.359 --> 01:22:46.140
With the Dodgers. To upset. The Brewers. They

01:22:46.140 --> 01:22:51.250
are going to beat Jacob. And I think. Robleski

01:22:51.250 --> 01:22:53.569
is going to get it done. The Dodgers will get

01:22:53.569 --> 01:23:00.329
it done at plus 116. Those two legs plus 407.

01:23:02.310 --> 01:23:05.930
Matt, I have to ask, because you mentioned Mizorowski

01:23:05.930 --> 01:23:09.529
specifically, is this bet fantasy induced in

01:23:09.529 --> 01:23:13.109
any way? Mizorowski is not on any of my teams.

01:23:13.390 --> 01:23:18.770
Are you opposing him, though? Well, Ezra is.

01:23:18.850 --> 01:23:22.369
Ezra has Robleski. Okay. I mean, I got Shohei

01:23:22.369 --> 01:23:25.890
Itani and Andy Paz, but they play every day,

01:23:25.909 --> 01:23:27.210
so I don't really think about that. They're going

01:23:27.210 --> 01:23:33.829
to get theirs. Now, we were going to get to the

01:23:33.829 --> 01:23:36.010
rumor, but I already gave y 'all the rumor today.

01:23:36.489 --> 01:23:44.329
So let's build the territory, Ezra. So, it is

01:23:44.329 --> 01:23:49.619
my contention that 2023 was the last great year

01:23:49.619 --> 01:23:55.000
in boxing. We had some of the biggest matchups,

01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:58.859
the biggest events, the best fights. It felt

01:23:58.859 --> 01:24:01.460
like weekend we got, we were getting a banger

01:24:01.460 --> 01:24:04.880
of a matchup. And I kind of feel like we haven't

01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:08.140
had that in a couple of years. I feel like we've

01:24:08.140 --> 01:24:12.140
had too many bad spots in boxing in the last

01:24:12.140 --> 01:24:16.039
couple of years. I just want to go over some

01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:23.579
of the fights that happened in 2023. These are

01:24:23.579 --> 01:24:29.220
just a little sampling of the fights that happened

01:24:29.220 --> 01:24:32.560
in 2023. Obviously, we know we had Errol Spence

01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:36.779
Jr. versus Eric Crawford, Tank versus Ryan, Fulton

01:24:36.779 --> 01:24:41.560
versus Inouye, Usyk Dubois won, Haney Lomachenko,

01:24:41.659 --> 01:24:44.199
which was an excellent fight. Benavidez Plant,

01:24:44.579 --> 01:24:48.060
excellent fight. Viterbia versus Yard, excellent

01:24:48.060 --> 01:24:51.460
fight. Canelo versus Trano, not an excellent

01:24:51.460 --> 01:24:54.699
fight, but it was a spectacle. Benavidez versus

01:24:54.699 --> 01:24:58.380
Andrade, I love that fight. You know what I love

01:24:58.380 --> 01:25:00.760
about that fight the most? Andrade came to fight.

01:25:01.279 --> 01:25:04.239
He was going to go out on his field. He was trying

01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:08.479
to fuck David Benavidez up, but ultimately he

01:25:08.479 --> 01:25:11.739
got got. Joe George versus Jang, they fought

01:25:11.739 --> 01:25:15.000
twice. Katie Taylor shipped out Cameron for it

01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:18.079
twice. Liam Smith and Chris Eubank for it twice.

01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:22.420
Lee Wood and Maurice Lara for it twice. We had

01:25:22.420 --> 01:25:25.779
Cordina versus Rockamore. Josh Jenner versus

01:25:25.779 --> 01:25:29.319
Tia Fimo. Navarrete versus Valdez. Lee Wood versus

01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:34.579
Warrington. We had Progray versus Haney. Robisha

01:25:34.579 --> 01:25:38.380
Ramirez versus Espinosa. Bam versus Sonny. When

01:25:38.380 --> 01:25:42.279
Sonny said, hey, I ain't gonna hold you. I don't

01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:45.279
want to be here no more. And then we also had

01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:49.079
Nia Inouye versus Marlon Tapales to become undisputed

01:25:49.079 --> 01:25:55.140
at 122. What were your thoughts in 2023 when

01:25:55.140 --> 01:25:56.859
we were getting fight after fight, week after

01:25:56.859 --> 01:26:00.659
week? Well, and I think that what these fights

01:26:00.659 --> 01:26:04.079
had was built -in storylines. Like, they had,

01:26:04.220 --> 01:26:06.899
these fights started a conversation, and it was

01:26:06.899 --> 01:26:11.739
consistent. And you had also three mega fights

01:26:11.739 --> 01:26:13.640
in this right here, right? You have Fulton Inouye,

01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:16.899
you have Davis Garcia, and you have Spence Crawford,

01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:20.640
right? Fights with everyone is interested in,

01:26:20.659 --> 01:26:23.260
everyone's talking about, things outside of boxing

01:26:23.260 --> 01:26:25.439
are covering it. Then you have all these other

01:26:25.439 --> 01:26:27.420
fights that you went through that the boxing

01:26:27.420 --> 01:26:30.420
fans were really excited for, and they started

01:26:30.420 --> 01:26:32.880
a lot of debate. I think that that's what it's

01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:34.979
lacking. It's like there's no built -in storylines.

01:26:34.979 --> 01:26:37.300
Nothing's consistent. And it doesn't feel like

01:26:37.300 --> 01:26:39.659
we're building towards anything. And that's a

01:26:39.659 --> 01:26:42.020
problem. We also don't really have any mega fights

01:26:42.020 --> 01:26:45.699
this year that we have on the docket. Nothing

01:26:45.699 --> 01:26:47.020
that we're like, oh, that's the fight we had

01:26:47.020 --> 01:26:50.619
to pay attention to. And I think that this is,

01:26:50.699 --> 01:26:53.260
we saw business change from this point on, from

01:26:53.260 --> 01:26:56.159
this year on. The business of boxing has changed.

01:26:56.359 --> 01:27:00.840
The strategy had changed. And the locations had

01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:02.840
changed. And I think that all that affected it.

01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:05.899
And this was a year that kind of paid off a lot

01:27:05.899 --> 01:27:07.899
of storylines that we were building to, maybe

01:27:07.899 --> 01:27:09.819
the previous years. And this was like the year

01:27:09.819 --> 01:27:13.140
that capitalized on all that. But this was a

01:27:13.140 --> 01:27:16.239
very strong year because I think of the things

01:27:16.239 --> 01:27:18.199
we had to talk about, the debates that were had

01:27:18.199 --> 01:27:22.260
for these fights. What was your favorite fight

01:27:22.260 --> 01:27:25.649
of that year? I think if I'm looking at it right

01:27:25.649 --> 01:27:27.869
now, I think the one I enjoyed most watching

01:27:27.869 --> 01:27:30.489
as far as I could rewatch over and over again

01:27:30.489 --> 01:27:32.329
is Haney Lomachenko. I really thought that was

01:27:32.329 --> 01:27:33.949
a fantastic fight. It's one of my favorite fights

01:27:33.949 --> 01:27:36.170
probably all the time. I thought that that was

01:27:36.170 --> 01:27:38.949
a fight. fought at a high, high skill level.

01:27:39.130 --> 01:27:41.369
It was a guy that made adjustments. It was the

01:27:41.369 --> 01:27:43.270
thing that brought everything out of them. We

01:27:43.270 --> 01:27:46.569
saw Haney at the highest level. We saw Lomachenko

01:27:46.569 --> 01:27:48.289
at the highest level, and they battled it out.

01:27:49.649 --> 01:27:52.550
People debated the decision or whatever, but

01:27:52.550 --> 01:27:55.270
it wasn't like a robbery in any sort of it. It

01:27:55.270 --> 01:27:58.529
was just a very good, close fight. I love that

01:27:58.529 --> 01:28:03.729
fight. Yeah, I think my favorite fight on that

01:28:03.729 --> 01:28:09.760
whole list... It was probably Usyk Dubois. Usyk

01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:13.279
Dubois. It had everything. It had controversy.

01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:17.260
It had, like, those guys were throwing hands.

01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:20.760
It was good stuff. Good stuff. Had the low blow

01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:25.140
that wasn't low. I felt like that fight got me

01:28:25.140 --> 01:28:28.460
blocked by Andre Ward that same day. I asked

01:28:28.460 --> 01:28:30.319
Andre Ward, hey, was that a low shot or not?

01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:33.060
And he just blocked me. He said, fuck you, guy.

01:28:33.220 --> 01:28:35.609
I'm not answering. I'm blocking you. You know?

01:28:35.989 --> 01:28:41.590
What a year 2023 was. Now, in your estimation,

01:28:41.949 --> 01:28:45.310
why hasn't boxing been the same since then? Well,

01:28:45.329 --> 01:28:47.550
I think that it's shifted, right? It shifted

01:28:47.550 --> 01:28:51.710
in the... You had... turkey come in at that point

01:28:51.710 --> 01:28:53.710
right and then he he was spending a certain way

01:28:53.710 --> 01:28:56.569
so then the promoter the promoters uh were kind

01:28:56.569 --> 01:28:58.529
of just saying whatever this guy wants to do

01:28:58.529 --> 01:28:59.689
we're going to go in that direction and they

01:28:59.689 --> 01:29:01.210
no longer were building fighters or building

01:29:01.210 --> 01:29:03.350
two fights it was just kind of like what does

01:29:03.350 --> 01:29:05.550
this guy want to spend on and it seemed at the

01:29:05.550 --> 01:29:06.630
point we were like oh we're getting like these

01:29:06.630 --> 01:29:09.829
mega cards um but it did kind of take away almost

01:29:09.829 --> 01:29:12.590
like what the cards meant and also the there

01:29:12.590 --> 01:29:14.229
wasn't any a lot of attention on the card so

01:29:14.229 --> 01:29:17.369
it didn't catapult to bigger fights it just kind

01:29:17.369 --> 01:29:20.039
of like that happened this event happened and

01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:22.640
it didn't feel like it had staying power. Also,

01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:24.920
like I said, it was a lot of, it was a shift

01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:27.600
as far as like promotions, like were they getting

01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:29.880
consistent schedule from this point on or they

01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:31.960
were switching to new networks or whatever, just

01:29:31.960 --> 01:29:34.380
different strategies. And I think all that just

01:29:34.380 --> 01:29:36.479
kind of like left it scattered. Nothing was connected.

01:29:36.659 --> 01:29:39.060
Everything was kind of spotty. And I think that's

01:29:39.060 --> 01:29:41.180
what happened from there. And I think that now

01:29:41.180 --> 01:29:43.930
you see kind of. it's in place and you're hoping

01:29:43.930 --> 01:29:45.989
they could get consistency in their buildings

01:29:45.989 --> 01:29:47.829
or something now with everything in place, but

01:29:47.829 --> 01:29:54.050
we have to see. Yeah, I agree. I remember, and

01:29:54.050 --> 01:29:55.609
maybe you remember this, the conversation that

01:29:55.609 --> 01:29:59.350
we had about the Saudi Arabian foray into boxing

01:29:59.350 --> 01:30:03.130
and turkey out of cheap. And I said, it's very

01:30:03.130 --> 01:30:07.409
easy to take someone else's shiny toys that they

01:30:07.409 --> 01:30:10.630
built up and match them together. Hey, we're

01:30:10.630 --> 01:30:11.789
going to make this fight. We're going to make

01:30:11.789 --> 01:30:16.069
this fight. Hey, hey, hey, make that fight. Here's

01:30:16.069 --> 01:30:19.430
the money. Make that fight. Here's the money.

01:30:19.710 --> 01:30:22.729
But I said, I'm not going to be one of these

01:30:22.729 --> 01:30:27.409
fans that's going to judge Turkey Alex Deke on

01:30:27.409 --> 01:30:31.050
these big matches that he's making. I'm going

01:30:31.050 --> 01:30:33.909
to be the guy that's going to judge Turkey Alex

01:30:33.909 --> 01:30:41.659
Deke on who he builds and I gotta tell you, Turkey

01:30:41.659 --> 01:30:45.720
Owl's cheek has not built a single star in almost

01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:50.020
three years. No, I would - Not a single star

01:30:50.020 --> 01:30:53.500
in almost three years. I would say that he's

01:30:53.500 --> 01:30:57.520
actually diminished stars. Yes, yeah. I would

01:30:57.520 --> 01:31:01.880
say that. And like I said, where we're at now,

01:31:02.020 --> 01:31:06.020
it's all lined up that you should get something.

01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:09.039
that is more consistent and more like what we're

01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:12.800
seeing here. But like I said, time will tell.

01:31:13.180 --> 01:31:18.020
Now, I would say that the turkey olive sheet

01:31:18.020 --> 01:31:21.600
experiment in boxing has been an abject failure.

01:31:22.279 --> 01:31:24.659
But in order for me to call it an abject failure,

01:31:24.899 --> 01:31:29.920
I would have to know what his goals were. I kind

01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:33.420
of think that what's happening in boxing is exactly

01:31:33.420 --> 01:31:38.279
what he wanted. He disrupted it to where this

01:31:38.279 --> 01:31:42.619
is like the Soviet Union breaking up and boxing

01:31:42.619 --> 01:31:45.399
is all this guy and this guy and this guy. And

01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:48.020
he's looking to pick up the pieces. He's put

01:31:48.020 --> 01:31:50.939
himself in enough tentacles in boxing where he's

01:31:50.939 --> 01:31:52.659
going to try to clean up everything for himself.

01:31:52.720 --> 01:31:54.800
I think this is exactly what he wanted. Yeah.

01:31:55.500 --> 01:32:00.380
But it has hurt the sport in the last two years.

01:32:01.160 --> 01:32:03.779
And to me, there's no other way around it. It

01:32:03.779 --> 01:32:07.579
has hurt before. It has hurt before. I think

01:32:07.579 --> 01:32:10.060
to take over anything, you kind of have to, especially

01:32:10.060 --> 01:32:13.100
like a sport that's kind of like broken up to

01:32:13.100 --> 01:32:14.960
many parts, I think you kind of have to hurt

01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:17.539
it and break it down to where it has almost no

01:32:17.539 --> 01:32:21.180
value so you can control all of it. And I think

01:32:21.180 --> 01:32:24.600
that's what their strategy was. They spent money,

01:32:24.659 --> 01:32:27.239
but they did it in a way to where there was no

01:32:27.239 --> 01:32:29.800
attention on the fights. We would complain every

01:32:29.800 --> 01:32:31.600
week and be like, Why are they doing it this

01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:34.640
way? Why isn't it on a bigger network? Couldn't

01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:35.939
they have gotten this on a better network? Couldn't

01:32:35.939 --> 01:32:37.600
they have gotten more attention to this? And

01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:39.819
slowly, they took all the value away, and then

01:32:39.819 --> 01:32:42.579
now, like I said, everybody's on the zone. They

01:32:42.579 --> 01:32:45.619
got the Zufa thing. That's the part that confuses

01:32:45.619 --> 01:32:48.460
me, is still the, you know, like, I don't know

01:32:48.460 --> 01:32:50.579
what the plan is on that. Like, do they want

01:32:50.579 --> 01:32:53.180
Zufa to win? Do they want the other? That's the

01:32:53.180 --> 01:32:55.520
part where I'm not quite sure where he is with

01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:58.789
the zone right now. But they are in a position

01:32:58.789 --> 01:33:02.430
to control everything. I will say that. Yeah,

01:33:02.470 --> 01:33:05.989
I agree. Now, I don't want to be all doom and

01:33:05.989 --> 01:33:09.810
gloom. I like to give people some optimism. So

01:33:09.810 --> 01:33:12.670
I'm going to rely on you to do this. Because

01:33:12.670 --> 01:33:17.550
you love these sort of experiments. Rebuild boxes.

01:33:17.670 --> 01:33:21.229
Make boxing great again. Bring us back to the

01:33:21.229 --> 01:33:28.319
level of at least 2023 and beyond. Okay, so you're

01:33:28.319 --> 01:33:30.579
talking about from starting right now? Yeah,

01:33:30.699 --> 01:33:33.159
build the zoo, Daryl McGrew. Okay. What would

01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:38.000
you do? Yeah, Mr. McGrew. What I would do, and

01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:41.140
like I said, what you have right now is an interesting

01:33:41.140 --> 01:33:43.560
spot where everyone's kind of on the same network.

01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:49.260
And what I would do is have the TNT, right, stay

01:33:49.260 --> 01:33:52.619
being big events that we schedule every month,

01:33:52.659 --> 01:33:54.979
right? And you keep switching the promotions,

01:33:55.039 --> 01:33:56.979
kind of like what they're doing right now. But

01:33:56.979 --> 01:34:00.760
what I do is try to say, okay, this promotion

01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:02.420
is going to get this event. We're willing to

01:34:02.420 --> 01:34:04.579
pay for this, but we're willing to get extra

01:34:04.579 --> 01:34:09.279
to get an opponent from other promotions to headline

01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:12.420
this, right? And use TNT almost as like my pay

01:34:12.420 --> 01:34:14.100
-per -view. That's my pay -per -view, but it's

01:34:14.100 --> 01:34:17.619
free. And I want to see how much viewership I

01:34:17.619 --> 01:34:20.180
can get consistently run through a year where

01:34:20.180 --> 01:34:23.819
I put my biggest names and, to me, best fights

01:34:23.819 --> 01:34:27.069
on there consistently. And if I can get a big

01:34:27.069 --> 01:34:29.430
number on that and it's consistent, then that

01:34:29.430 --> 01:34:32.550
budget is going to grow from there. And I have

01:34:32.550 --> 01:34:34.890
all the promotions working together, and they're

01:34:34.890 --> 01:34:36.489
going to be happy because you're feeding them

01:34:36.489 --> 01:34:39.550
a consistent schedule. I want a major promotion

01:34:39.550 --> 01:34:42.750
every weekend to have a main event. So I want

01:34:42.750 --> 01:34:45.430
every weekend to have a top rank, one weekend

01:34:45.430 --> 01:34:47.289
to have a match room, one weekend to have a Golden

01:34:47.289 --> 01:34:50.029
Boy, and one weekend to have a PBC card. That

01:34:50.029 --> 01:34:53.569
would be my goal. I would get the belt in line

01:34:53.569 --> 01:34:55.979
and say, hey. You know, we're battling Zufa right

01:34:55.979 --> 01:34:59.039
now. You're battling Zufa right now. It's all

01:34:59.039 --> 01:35:01.800
work to get more unifications. It's all work

01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:04.619
in line to get these champions fighting each

01:35:04.619 --> 01:35:06.960
other and just kind of build a structure where

01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:08.939
we're working towards undisputed consistently

01:35:08.939 --> 01:35:12.520
in all the divisions. And if we could force our

01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:14.000
hand here to get the champions to fight each

01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:16.680
other, like we did the WBC willing to do, and

01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:18.340
just get the other promotions willing to do it

01:35:18.340 --> 01:35:20.260
and say, hey, we're going to back it. We're going

01:35:20.260 --> 01:35:22.340
to keep this going. And we feel like we can,

01:35:22.380 --> 01:35:24.319
if we all work together, we have a big structure.

01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:26.859
We have a consistent structure right now. Then

01:35:26.859 --> 01:35:29.520
we could do that. I think you build, if you're

01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:32.060
DAZN, you keep getting, you make sure that no

01:35:32.060 --> 01:35:33.819
one leaves like David Benavidez. You keep guys

01:35:33.819 --> 01:35:36.039
like David Haney and Ryan Garcia. I think it's

01:35:36.039 --> 01:35:38.500
going to be a... an interesting free agent coming

01:35:38.500 --> 01:35:40.960
forward, and you build towards those fights.

01:35:41.079 --> 01:35:43.460
You keep building towards, you put three fights

01:35:43.460 --> 01:35:45.079
on the schedule, you say, hey, this year, we're

01:35:45.079 --> 01:35:46.460
building towards these fights. These are the

01:35:46.460 --> 01:35:49.319
fights that we're working towards for our storyline.

01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:50.899
Because this is the storyline, we have all the

01:35:50.899 --> 01:35:52.640
fighters, we can build towards these fights.

01:35:53.140 --> 01:35:57.180
That's my strategy going forward. Man, what an

01:35:57.180 --> 01:36:00.779
excellent, honestly, I have nothing to add. That's

01:36:00.779 --> 01:36:03.800
how you build a fucking territory, Ezra. I appreciate

01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:06.340
that. Man, oh man, oh man. Do we have anything

01:36:06.340 --> 01:36:08.500
for quick hits? Anything that we didn't get to

01:36:08.500 --> 01:36:11.720
that you want to talk about? I'll be honest with

01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:14.119
you. This was a great show for boxing giving

01:36:14.119 --> 01:36:17.100
us not too much. This was a really, really good

01:36:17.100 --> 01:36:18.979
show. I think you guys covered everything that

01:36:18.979 --> 01:36:21.039
needed to be covered this weekend. One thing

01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:22.760
that I wanted to point out, I started the comments

01:36:22.760 --> 01:36:25.680
earlier. There's a four comment sequence between

01:36:25.680 --> 01:36:28.560
Rosebud, our current listener of the year, and

01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:31.640
Basquiat, Ezra's biggest fan. That is a great

01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:36.199
dichotomy of the audience of the show. What are

01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:38.159
you talking about? So when you were talking about

01:36:38.159 --> 01:36:41.479
your genius idea, Rosebud immediately, nah, you

01:36:41.479 --> 01:36:43.659
say every idea you propose is a genius idea.

01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:47.039
And Matt was degrading your idea and Basquiat

01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:49.020
immediately goes, how does Ezra deal with this?

01:36:49.340 --> 01:36:52.079
It's true. It's true. And everything I say is

01:36:52.079 --> 01:36:54.600
a genius idea. You guys understand, I invent

01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:57.399
things that are already invented in our billion

01:36:57.399 --> 01:37:00.520
dollar businesses every day. And I didn't know

01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:06.369
it existed. Look up yoga. I think they're called

01:37:06.369 --> 01:37:09.090
yoga sticks. I don't know. I've been doing this

01:37:09.090 --> 01:37:10.789
for a long time. And then I was like, someone

01:37:10.789 --> 01:37:12.310
should just use this. There's a lot of things

01:37:12.310 --> 01:37:13.710
you could do with this. And they're called yoga

01:37:13.710 --> 01:37:16.069
sticks. Million dollar business. I created it.

01:37:16.109 --> 01:37:18.329
Didn't know it existed. I do this every day consistently.

01:37:18.930 --> 01:37:21.109
And where the problem is, is that you could just

01:37:21.109 --> 01:37:23.810
knock someone down just by throwing, trying to

01:37:23.810 --> 01:37:26.050
brand them as like, oh, that's a dumb idea. This

01:37:26.050 --> 01:37:27.729
guy just comes out with wacky ideas. You know

01:37:27.729 --> 01:37:31.699
what? Just like Tia Fimo said. Ennis Thompson,

01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:34.539
which he met Thomas Edison, was doubted. And

01:37:34.539 --> 01:37:39.399
on his 9 ,999th try, he evaded electricity. I

01:37:39.399 --> 01:37:41.039
don't know if any of that's accurate, what Tia

01:37:41.039 --> 01:37:43.180
Fimo said, but I get the mentality that he has.

01:37:44.380 --> 01:37:48.039
You know what's funny? I literally just put you

01:37:48.039 --> 01:37:49.659
over and tell you how great you booked the territory.

01:37:50.119 --> 01:37:51.960
And here you go complaining that you're not getting

01:37:51.960 --> 01:37:56.100
enough credit. Of course. Of course. Listen,

01:37:56.180 --> 01:37:59.819
man, I appreciate everyone for joining us. I

01:37:59.819 --> 01:38:03.760
appreciate the listeners, especially my guy,

01:38:03.840 --> 01:38:10.159
Grit. Talk friend, Basquiat. Fuck off. Rosebud

01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:13.000
Ice Cream. Make sure you guys go get some Rosebud

01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:18.119
Ice Cream. My man, Phil Clinton. Big Boss. Who

01:38:18.119 --> 01:38:21.500
else was here? Sibby was here. Alan Day Sr. Mike,

01:38:21.579 --> 01:38:25.939
the COO of Bird Boxing, as always. My man, Steph.

01:38:26.239 --> 01:38:30.600
What up, Clev? Shout out to everyone who joined

01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:33.960
us today. Sorry if I didn't get to you. But,

01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:39.340
you know, we got to bring this to an end. And

01:38:39.340 --> 01:38:46.439
I may be back tonight. Depending on what happens

01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:50.630
with Ray J and Orlando Brown. I may be back tonight.

01:38:51.069 --> 01:38:54.750
Did we get Mike to update the picks contest to

01:38:54.750 --> 01:38:57.130
include this or are we still only doing next

01:38:57.130 --> 01:39:00.569
week's right now? No, no, no. To be fair, I have

01:39:00.569 --> 01:39:04.010
Ray J. I have Ray J tonight. Oh, yeah, yeah,

01:39:04.010 --> 01:39:06.350
yeah. Who are y 'all picking? Matt, before we

01:39:06.350 --> 01:39:10.569
get out of here. I got Ray J and I got Big Lex

01:39:10.569 --> 01:39:14.590
because she's pretty as hell. Okay, I got Ray

01:39:14.590 --> 01:39:17.090
J and then what are the options on the other

01:39:17.090 --> 01:39:22.590
one? Teheski? Yeah, I got Teheski because her

01:39:22.590 --> 01:39:29.449
sister is like a super athlete. I'm hoping that

01:39:29.449 --> 01:39:33.569
she's somewhere on that level. That's what I'm

01:39:33.569 --> 01:39:39.829
betting on. I saw Teheski yesterday and I'll

01:39:39.829 --> 01:39:42.869
tell you what, she is sitting on a lot of talent.

01:39:45.569 --> 01:39:48.090
Let's wrap it up, fellas. Who you got for Ray

01:39:48.090 --> 01:39:50.229
J and Orlando Brown? I didn't hear you. Yeah,

01:39:50.350 --> 01:39:53.710
we got Ray J. Brandy's brother. Alright, so these

01:39:53.710 --> 01:39:56.409
are just bonus points. You can't lose any points.

01:39:56.909 --> 01:40:01.310
Oh, yeah, yeah. Fuck it. You're picking both

01:40:01.310 --> 01:40:05.789
of them by stoppage? No, Ray J by decision. I

01:40:05.789 --> 01:40:08.409
don't think anyone's going to stop. So nobody's

01:40:08.409 --> 01:40:12.430
fighting to stop you. Well, you guys can get

01:40:12.430 --> 01:40:15.310
some bonus points. And I will have a graphic

01:40:15.310 --> 01:40:18.170
out for this in the next few days for On The

01:40:18.170 --> 01:40:20.729
Timeline. All right, cool, cool, cool. No doubt,

01:40:20.829 --> 01:40:23.210
no doubt, no doubt. Hey, this has been another

01:40:23.210 --> 01:40:27.010
edition of Brunch Boxing. Here's our COO, the

01:40:27.010 --> 01:40:29.810
Mexican Alhambra Mike. Here's our host, Ezra

01:40:29.810 --> 01:40:33.229
Boxing. Here's our super producer, Huey P. I

01:40:33.229 --> 01:40:36.369
am Matt. We are Brunch Boxing, and we are out.