Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good
night, wherever you are in the world. This is
Brunch Boxing. I'm your host, Matt. Big day today.
Shakur Stevenson went to Zufa. DBC went to DAZN.
Shakur Stevenson has his hit list. Very interesting
names on that. We're going to talk all about
it, but first, I want to introduce the host of
Brunch Boxing, the master of the walk and talk.
the master of the sit and spit, the John Madden
of boxing, reporting from Parks Unknown, my guy
Ezra Boxing. Where did your car adventure take
you today? I parked right here on the side of
the road. They said no parking between 6 a .m.
to 8 a .m. I said, perfect. The show starts at
8. So I'm in a fantastic spot. I got shade, got
some sunlight. I got a phone holder that works.
I mean, you couldn't get started to a better
day. Something in the air today just feels special.
And I know there's not much boxing to watch today,
but there's moves making. The boxing world, the
boxing business is in motion. Are you on Figueroa?
No, not Figueroa. Not today. Okay, just checking,
just checking. And also, we have behind on the
ones and twos. The master mariner himself, the
producer of Bunch Boxing, Huey P. What's going
on, Huey? Doing good, doing good, man. It's a
hot day out here in Minnesota, but getting ready
to watch some World Cup. We don't have any boxing
today, but I'm sure you guys got a lot to talk
about still. Is Mike with us today? Mike is not
with us today. Damn, he really feel like there's
no boxing. He said there's nothing going on.
I ain't got shit to talk about. Home team has
no games today, Mike. Home team has no games.
But listen, we got to pop the trunk today when
it comes to boxing because there's a lot of things
to talk about, but we're going to do it more
free flow style because we got to get back to
the Shakur Stevenson thing, man. So we got some
more information about the Shakur Stevenson deal
with Zupa Voxen. According to Sports Illustrated's
Chris Mannix, Shakur Stevenson is going to be
making... A minimum of eight figures per fight
with Zufa Boxing. Does that change anything for
you, Ezra? No, I mean, I knew he was going to
get paid fat for the thing. I knew that's why
he went there. You know what I mean? I knew he
was going to get paid fat. So that wasn't ever
the part that I was worried about for him. I'm
sorry. Are we interrupting your breakfast? No,
I thought, did you hear me? I thought you were
going to give us more and then you just - Ezra,
I've never heard you be so concise. Yeah, no,
I thought there was more reporting by Chris Maddox.
But like I said, I never worried about the money.
I never thought, oh, he's taking a pay cut to
go to Zufa. I knew that wasn't the thing. The
fighters right now have the leverage, right?
And I knew that there were no real pay cuts right
now. Right now, Zufa's overpaying. That's pretty
obvious. We've seen that with Conor Bannon. We've
seen that with Shakur. They're overpaying to
get the guys to add legitimacy to their brand.
That's what this is. And, you know, you could
technically make a case that they might have
the best fighter in the world. You could make
that case. And he said that despite Shakur's
proclamations, Ronald Valenzuela is 100 % on
the list of fighters that Shakur might fight
next. Of course. I mean, I don't understand people
going so like, oh, no, that's not going to happen.
Why? He's on the same brand as the guy. Like,
why would that not happen? Yeah, of course. I
would imagine that. The more interesting thing
is, could he get the other fights? Is those still
an option to him? Are they going to be able to
turn those around and make those fights? But
I definitely always considered Ryo as an option.
Well, let's talk about those other fights. Because
Shakur Stevenson did an interview with Raheem
Palmer, a .k .a. Rosh Adamas, of the Ringer Gambling
Show, and he made himself a hit list of fighters
that he claims he wants to fight next. Do you
want that list? Yes, let's hear it. All right,
so first name mentioned, top of the list, Javante
Tank Davis. Give me your confidence, like we
do with our picks, on how confident are you that
Shakur could get that fight? I'm at a one. And
I don't even necessarily think that's because
Shakur's with Zufa. That's not why I would feel
lack of confidence. I just don't know how confident
I am that Tang gets in the ring anytime soon.
Okay. The next name on the list, Lord Devin DeBohaney.
My confidence level for that is a three. I do
think that Haney will probably end up with Zufa.
I do think that Shakur is going to have to probably
go for these big fights. So I think that there's
a way that that fight could be made. And I don't
see a lot of options for Haney right now because
he's turned down options and it didn't pan out
for him. So I feel like there's some confidence
in that fight getting made. Okay, third name
on the list, Gary Antoine Russell. I think that's
a five. That could get made easy. That could
get made easy. It's just going to cost a certain
dollar amount to get that made. But I think that's
a five. There shouldn't be no problem getting
that fight made. And then the last name on the
list was The Reaper Lamont Rose Jr. Another five,
especially Lamont gets his win over Cepeda. Why
not? Why wouldn't they make that fight? And we
see Lamont go to 140 already, so he can go back
again. I'm not confident that any of these fights
happen. I think we're more likely to get Ryo
next. With Tank, I'm at a one. With Devin, I'm
at a one. Because Devin and Shakur could have
fought. Yeah, that's true. Like, they could have
fought. They could have fought for it, yeah.
Yeah, they could have fought. So... What about
the other two fights? With Gary Antoine, I don't
think so. Why? It doesn't make any sense. For
who? For Gary Antoine. Oh, come on. If the money's
right, it's all about money, right? At that point,
like... Yeah, but supposedly, he's going to be
unifying with the winner of Pueo versus Smith.
So who knows? I'm just saying though, if the
money's right, you can get Gary Antoine. If the
money's right, you can get Roach. It gets complicated
and it gets hard when you have other stars that
could probably maneuver themselves. I don't think
that that's complicated to make it a Gary Antoine
wrestling thing. We do have a comment from our
guy Sibby and the listeners saying the way Gary
trying to take up a Shakur and fight Oshaki,
I wouldn't be so high on that happening. That's
funny. Now, Conspicuous by his absence, one name
from the list, O'Shanique Foster was not on the
list. Now, Shakur Stevenson said, hey, you go
beat my doja, Raymond Ford, then you can fight
me, then we'll talk. Yep. Shakur got in the ring
calling O'Shanique Foster all types of bitch
-ass niggas. I'm going to fuck you up. I'm going
to do this. I'm going to do that. Fuck you, you
a bitch, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And now
he's not fighting him. What gives? I don't know.
I don't get it. I think that that fight kind
of made a lot of sense, especially if you're
just recording, you're just like, I need maybe
like a fight in between before I get like a mega
fight. I think that fight made sense. It had
some buzz to it. It had some real heat to it.
And you're catching Oshaki off of when he's hot.
So I don't get why that's not an option. I really
don't. That confuses me. But maybe Shakur's not
going back down on 135. I don't want to say scared,
but is he reluctant to fight with Shaki Foster?
Because 130 had a chance to fight. Didn't happen.
Now they have a chance to fight again. And it
doesn't look like Shakur's interested in making
the fight. Maybe he just doesn't. Maybe it's
just that. Maybe it's just not a big enough fight
for him, I guess you might feel like. I don't
know. I don't know. Maybe it's just not a big
enough fight. And maybe the weight things are
just too drastic, different. It can't even happen.
But I think that why even play the whole game
of getting in the ring and doing all that? Because
to me, it seemed like you were trying to see
if you could get buzz on this fight. And it had
some buzz. And I think that people... If you
made this, I think people will be some interest
in it. I think the Oshaki right now, you're getting
him at, to me, his most popular, too. I think
he has some, like, notoriety to him. So I think
that fight should be able to be made. And I think
it should be something that they should be interested
in. Yeah, I don't get why he's not interested.
But Oshaki Foster did respond to Shakur leaving
him out on the hit list. Here's his response.
From Oshaki Foster, dude scared of me. He a lame
goofy, for real. Everybody see it. The biggest
duck in boxing. I'ma keep spinning on his besties
till he trapped in the corner. He can't hide
forever. How many more besties could Oshaki Foster
legitimately fight? I think he took out the one
that was possible. He already beat Ray Ford.
Yeah. Like, the other ones are higher weights.
He could fight Kishon? No, because Kishon's 147.
Oh, yeah, that's right. He moved out of 140 already.
That's about it. I don't think there's any more
besties for him to go through. I don't think
he should have to. You know, you can't treat
Shakur like a Pokemon gym leader, you know what
I mean? You should have to go through four people
to get to you. All right. We do have someone
joining the show right now. The man known as
the Mexican Al Heyman, the CEO of Brunch Boxing.
Mike, how are you doing today? I'm excited to
join the show. All right, man. Just hearing it,
I imagine in high school, I'm like, no, I'm not
going to fight you unless you fight my friend
first. You know what? That's not a bad strategy
to have. If you could be like the pack leader
and be like, hey, if anyone ever has beef with
me, they're going to have to go through like
three of you first. You know what? It's not a
bad way to run it in high school, I gotta tell
you. That's not a bad way to run it. A couple
comments from the listeners. Sibby again saying,
I feel like Shakur killed Buzz of a potential
Shakur versus Foster fight. Also, as it doesn't
have to happen at 135 since Foster said he would
fight him at 140. And then Talk Trends is saying
he should beat Lamont to eliminate Shakur as
a fight for him. Well, how many people do we
want? I was talking Foster to B before he gets
Shakur. Yeah, I don't get it. I'm very confused.
But you know what though is funny? It's not even
with the Shakur thing. Forget the Shakur thing.
If Lamont wins and O'Shaughnessy goes to fight
him, that's a very good fight. That's actually
a really, really good fight. And I wouldn't mind
that. It looks like they reported that maybe
that they're talking Foster versus Navarrete.
Foster's in a good spot. He's in a really good
spot right now. Because that Navarrete fight
will be an excellent fight. They can make that
as well. So he's in a really good spot. I don't
get Shakur letting that buzz die on that fight.
I just don't get it, Ezra. As a person, you tell
me, hey, if you take care of this, this will
happen. And I go do that, and you're like, hold
on. Maybe I lied. Yeah, exactly. You cannot say,
if you beat this guy, I'll fight you. And then
say, you know what, never mind, I'm never going
to bring you up again. That for sure could not
happen. The first thing should not happen, but
for sure the second thing shouldn't happen. Nah,
but he did too well. That's the thing you guys
are missing. I guess so. What else we got? Y
'all didn't hear me fall, right? You fell? My
phone fell. No, no, we didn't hear anything.
Makes me think that you fell. We don't hear earthquakes
out here and they say they happen, right? I believe
Matt, because he sounds real far away from his
phone right now, which makes it sound like the
phone's on the ground and he's standing up. Or
they're both laying down and the phone is a distance
away from them. But I can't see where it's at
right now. What are you talking about? I gotta
tell you right now, you're a mess. But imagine
if Matt did fall. Like, imagine the poor bottom
tenant. He must have thought that the whole damn
thing was coming down. Hey, man, we ain't got
to be rude. All right, what else we got? Yeah,
what else we got? This guy can't find his phone.
Did he not give us a rundown? No. Oh, Jesus.
Oh, Jesus. We're doing it, Ezra. What did you
always say? We're doing it live. Yeah, we're
doing it live. Well, then, you know what? While
we're here on the topic, might as well talk it.
Okay, so Zufa has Shakur. They basically put
him through the machine right as soon as he signs
on ESPN. He's doing Shannon Sharp. He's doing
everything. Then they have the next day to do
the Conor McGregor ceremonial weigh -in, and
they have him center stage. They have Ryan there.
They have Ben there. I mean, they are putting
a full force of getting these guys. front and
center on all their events. You know, they're
going to do that. I imagine you'll see Shakur
on WWE events soon. Front row, Shakur, Stevenson,
they're going to do the whole picture and everything.
I mean, they're going to do it all. They're really
doing it up. Now, it could make it more obvious,
right? I think we all know that Ben and Ryan
is going to be made. Ben and Ryan is going to
be announced soon. Do you guys see Ryan Garcia
as a future Zufa signing? Because it looks to
me like that's pretty obvious. When they're handing
out checks like that, Ezra, who wouldn't sign?
Okay, now, Mike, when you say it like that, right?
Now, okay, but if they're handing out checks
like that, who wouldn't sign is really the point,
though, right? So how many fighters do you think
are going to go and soon to Zufa? Do you think
that there's going to be a big wave of guys,
superstars, that go to Zufa? Let's just say they
got a billion dollars to spend on fighters or
whatever. Okay. I mean, as much as fighters,
if they can spend that money, that's as much
as fighters are going to go. Well, that's what
I've got to tell you. That's a little bit worrisome
for everybody else. Because the problem is what
everyone else is trying to do this is they didn't
have, I don't think, could have been maintaining.
I think these guys could maintain it for a little
bit. So I do think if they will not offer like
this, and I do think that these fighters. I'll
tell you one thing. The one thing I see about
fighters, if they feel like a brand's huge, and
those fighters see the Zufa as UFC, they see
it as that. They see it as UFC. This is this
brand and everything. I think they like stuff
like that. I think that they like it that this
thing will put them on the WWE. They'll put it
on the UFC. I think they eat that up. That's
your question. Is Zufa going to go in that Goyard
bag? In the what? That Goyard bag. Are you still
talking from like 20 feet away from your phone?
I'm not. No, you can hear much more clearly now.
I didn't hear what he said. I don't know what
that is. Maybe that is it, actually. I really
don't hear as clear, but I also don't understand
what that is. Ezra, do you not know what Goyard
is? No, what is Goyard? Oh, man. Goyard. Oh,
man. Spin that shit. Spin that shit. You don't
know what Goyard is? It's a luxury brand. How
many times can I say I don't know what something
is for you guys to understand I don't know what
it is? I don't understand. Why do I have to do
this five times? People being incredulous that
you don't know something. Okay, explain what
incredulous means. Flabbergasted. We're going
to be here all day. Find a word that he knows.
Okay, what is the brand? Tell me, what is this?
But it's based off of that song that's real hot
right now for the summer. Wait, wait, wait, hold
on. There's a song that's real hot for the summer.
Yeah. Just to flip it, pop some tags. Girl, go
in that courtyard bag. Spin that shit. There's
no way this is a real song. Spin that shit. Spin
that shit. It is. It really is. It's the song
of the summer. Are you kidding? That song sounds
like it sucks. Now, it could be the way you're
doing it. That song sounds like it's horrible.
Could someone spell Goyard for me? Because I'm
going really - G -O -Y -A -R -D. Oh, that's exactly
what I thought. Okay, I said there's no way to
spell that. Yeah, absolutely. And this is a well
-known brand. This is like with Gucci and all
those high -end brands. It's on a popular song
right now. Really? Yeah. Hey, listen, if your
wife - And you don't buy your wife nothing like
that? The only thing I know about Go is like
a Go -Gurt. That's about the only thing that
sounds so much similar to that. Man. That's a
damn shame. But yeah, anyway. Hold on, hold on.
Before we go, who sings this song? So I can look
it up later. Young Miami. They're not real people.
They're not real people. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
We've talked about this a whole bunch of times
already. We're going to have to have a conversation
on the space about Ezra's cultural blind spots.
Just name themselves after where they're at,
like Flo Rida, Young Miami. Those are not good
names. These are not creative names. So you don't
go Young Miami for the city girls? You're making
ups up. That's not a real thing. So you don't
know if act right, you can get smack right? Come
on, man. Bro, no. You don't work your back, you
don't fuck about a nigga. Stripes on the ass,
don't even call the pussy singer. I've never
heard anything. My God. Wait, is this a woman
or a man? A woman. So Young Miami is a woman.
Yes. She used to date - She's part of the City
Girls. She used to date P Diddy. Yep. Okay, Young
Miami is a part of the City Girls. Not the, yeah.
Which is another - No, no, the City Girls are
done. Okay, now the City Girls, what were their
names, all their names? JT and Young Miami. So
City Girls is only literally two girls. Yeah.
Outcast is two people. Okay. It sounds like more,
right? Okay, now JT, what does that stand for?
I don't know. All right. We might have to take
that one back to the spaces because I think there's
someone in the spaces that knows them personally.
Okay, all right. Even more bizarre. Now JT and
Young Miami broke up. Yes. Breaking up city girls.
Yes. Young Miami came out, and she was dating
Diddy, which, so she has to be, like, what age?
Yeah, 20s. Oh, man, this guy, lock this guy up.
Now, okay. Oh, yeah, good, that's good, that's
good. Okay, now, he goes, she does, now she's
making hits, apparently. Yes. The song of the
summer, okay? Now, what's JT doing? That's a
good question. Hey, Matt, maybe you can learn
something from JT. You can learn something from
JT in this experience. That's all I'm going to
tell you. All right, let's keep the show rolling.
But it's useful for them to continue to expand
on people, is basically what I'm asking. Oh,
yeah, yeah. I mean, if they keep doing that,
I just think that they're going to have a big
advantage. Like I said, this is not a new idea,
but it is maybe one of the bigger things to try
this idea in boxing, which I always kind of thought,
like, you know, if you're a guy that could buy
an NBA team, you're a guy that could do that.
You could probably go buy boxing. I always thought
that was a possibility. I always thought you
could probably go buy boxing. It's not that expensive,
okay? If this is what they could do with a big
machine behind it, I think they could succeed.
That's what I think. And I think that, like Mike
said, if people are willing to spend, boxers
are willing to sign. Okay, all right. One question
about that. Who's spending the money? Is it TKO
or is it Sela? I don't think it matters. I don't
think it matters. I don't think it matters, but
I do think it's Sella, right? Because they want
this to be a UFC brand. This might be a write
-off for them, Ezra. No, no, no, it's not a write
-off. It's an investment. They want it to be
the UFC brand. And they want this to eventually
just be the same cash cow that WWE is and the
UFC is. That's what they want. That's what they
see the potential as. I think it is important,
though, because if it's TKO spending, they're
not going to spend as often if they're losing
money. I agree. But we know that TKO will not
be spending because the earning call said that
they take a fee to operate it, but they don't
put no money into it. Okay, okay, there we go
then. They convinced Sela that they can make
this into the UFC. And they're going to, Sela's
going to invest in it, hoping that that's what
this turns out to be. And it's a full court press
that they're putting on. But like I said. I always
thought boxing was, you were able to buy it if
you had the right amount of money. You could
buy everything. And they're going to fully test
this out. Well, I don't think they can buy everything,
but they can buy guys who like to pretend that
they're stars. I was going to say that, man.
Or don't believe in themselves. You got to have
a certain confidence that you could sell. And
this is what I do. And if you can't, there's
a little bit of insecurity that creeps in there
that, you know what, let me just get my money.
Okay, that's fine. That's fine if you're Canelo
and you're Floyd Mayweather. I'm going to tell
you right now, we don't have a lot of Canelo.
We don't have any Canelo. You got to believe
in yourself. You got to believe you're that dude
and you got to take those fights. Yeah, but here's
the thing, though. Here's the thing. If you don't
have those guys, right, then you can buy anybody.
That's the truth of it. If you're willing to
pay $10 to $20 million per fight, guaranteed,
every one of these guys is going to take that.
Because I don't care. I'll be honest with you.
I see these guys. I don't see any of these guys.
Besides Tate, they could really get to basically
$20 million guaranteed every fight. I don't see
it. I don't see it. So if they're going to pay
this kind of money for these guys, I don't think
that a lot of these guys are going to be like,
no, no, no, I'm going to make that on my own.
There's no way that they believe that. And if
you get enough of the names, then hell, you have
no chance of making that on your own because
all the other names are over there. They'll box
you out. So I think right now is the perfect
time to try to do this. Yeah, but how many times
have we thought that fighters were boxed out
and they really weren't? It happens all the time.
The boxing game is so, it changes so quickly
that we can't say who's boxed out, who's doing
this, who's doing that. All we can really say
is right now, they spent money for Shakur Stevenson.
Now it's time to spend money for Shakur Stevenson's
opponents. Because you can get the guy, but are
you going to invest in the opponents? Because
that is part two of investing in a guy. Because
we see. You have Edgar Belanger, who did a sold
-out show with Canelo Alvarez, and Richard Hitchens,
who's from Brooklyn, New York. They're on a bill
together, and nobody cares. Yeah, but what does
that mean? What does that matter? It means you
can't just have one side of the names. You need
to have compelling matches that people care about
in order for it to work. Of course, of course.
Of course, of course. If you keep buying the
guys, you're going to have the matchups. Like
I said, it's not that complicated. You know what
I mean? We can't overthink it, right? If you're
not performing, if you're not, if you're the
Yankees, you don't have to overthink it. If you're
the Athletics, you better overthink it. You better
have some kind of game plan that is some strategy
no one's thought of. But if you're the Yankees,
it just comes down to a dollar. It just comes
down to a dollar amount. If you're the Dodgers,
it just comes down sometimes to a dollar amount.
Okay, well. who are they going to buy for Shakur
Stevenson next time? So I'm expecting a great
opponent. Could you keep mentioning the Raya
Valenzuela? Well, like I said, it's going to
take time to get the guys, but I think, like
I said, I think Haney's going to come. I think
Ryan's going to come soon enough. I think they
can make the Ryan fight next. I don't, I think
that, like Deloitte said, Ryan has a deal with
Turkey and him. It's not just Golden Boy, right?
It's a two -fight deal, so this is... Yeah, yeah,
and it's with Turkey, though. So it doesn't seem
like... Golden Boy has complete say on what Ryan
does next. That's not true. The fight's literally
not happening because Golden Boy hasn't been
there. Listen, there's a little disagreement,
whatever. That fight's going to get over the
line. I'm not saying it's not going to get over,
but you're saying they're not involved. They're
obviously involved. And De La Hoya has been on
Twitter saying, oh, I don't want this fight next.
I want the David Haney fight. I don't know why
we're making this fight. Let me tell you something.
The guy's revealed his cards. He doesn't have
a lot of say in what's going on. No, he has a
lot of say. Ask Virgil Ortiz. Ask Virgil Ortiz.
He has a lot of say. No, not Virgil. I'm talking
about De La Hoya. I'm talking about Ryan Garcia.
He has the exact same amount of say with Ryan
Garcia. That's what you're not getting. Stop
interrupting me and I can tell you why. God damn.
I understand that you disagree, but stop interrupting.
I'll be able to tell you why. What's going on
is... If they don't, if they don't do things
the right way and go to go to what they're supposed
to, it's not going to happen. Okay. I already
told you that. So he said, you know what? I'll
play nice. If they didn't play nice, but if they
don't play nice, I'm not going to play nice.
Well, honestly, the biggest thing is I will match
your energy. I can fuck this up. He said, and
he said for weeks, Hey, this is not happening
because no one contacted me. But then this past
week said, Oh, they finally contacted me. I finally,
so, so, so now we can talk. But nothing happens
unless Asuka says it's happening. And I don't
understand why you don't understand that yet.
Can I explain? Yeah, you can explain it when
I'm done. You keep doubting Asuka every time
Asuka always tells you he's on the right side
of the paperwork. Every time Asuka proves it
and you keep doubting it. Every single time.
He did the same thing with Virgil. Question,
what did I doubt in the Virgil situation? Did
I doubt in the Virgil situation? I did not. Now,
what I'm saying is that we often say, if you
get new information, you have to take in that
new information and present a different, whatever
the current information you have. We went for
Deloitte saying, I don't want this fight. It's
not the fight I want, whatever. Oh, I just got
the paperwork. Fight could have happened, right?
All these things. Now, he said they have a deal
with both guys. So, okay, maybe Deloitte can
step in the way and say, oh, we're not going
to make this happen. But you know what? Probably
nothing's going to happen if that happens. So
he doesn't have a lot of leverage because he
didn't want to get a generate paid. for your
investment. You still want to generate money
for your investment, okay? So like I said, with
Ryan, he said no numerous times about matchups,
and we seem to always get those fights. We said
no about those things, and it seems to happen.
I don't think he has a lot to say when it comes
to this guy's career. I think he could get in
the way and make it hard, but for the most part,
he's probably just going to give in because we
need a payday. The payday's going to be good,
so let's keep it going. How do you know that
people are - going to have a great payday. So
he's like, you know what? Of course. Okay, but
the point is, is he had to get paperwork in order
for this to move forward. I think that's all
we're trying to say. No, no, no, no, no. Because
what you guys are saying is that De La Hoya is
maneuvering this the way he wants. That's not
the case here. That was Brian. It's not the case.
And it's clear to say that's not the case, okay?
I don't think De La Hoya wants this bad fight.
I don't think he does. I think he would go different
route with it if he was controlling it. Not saying
that he's worried about losing, but it's just
that it's not even, it's going to be on a different,
probably going to be a full control of the event,
right? And I think that right now he kind of,
with Ryan, he kind of just has to go the way
that they're going to go. But I'm sure he wants
it in certain terms, but that's what I'm saying.
That's what it is. He doesn't have a lot of control
of this guy's career. And it's obvious. I don't
know why you guys are arguing that. What do you
mean? It's literally a two -fight deal. And this
is his second fight. He doesn't have no control
of his career. Okay. We could move on to the
next one. Yo, this guy, this guy, this guy, Basquiat
NYC, always complaining about something. I'm
sick of you. The background noise is so loud.
You know what else is loud, Basquiat? Your stupidity.
It's loud every fucking week. That's not true.
Every week. I didn't hear the background noise,
but now that Basquiat brought it up, I cannot
hear it. You know what I mean? That guy is a
sharp guy. I'll tell you that right now. He's
got his ear to the ground, and he's really aware
of what's happening. Let's talk about this PBC
to DAZN thing. Obviously, we heard the news.
PBC, DAZN, multi -fight deal. Some of the fights
they were talking about. Did you see the list
of fights they were talking about, Ezra? Yes.
Okay, so of those fights, we had Sebastian Fandora
versus Irmaj, blah, blah, blah, blah. We also
had Jesus Ramos versus Miranda Saltonoff. We
had Brandon Figueroa versus Tomoki Kameda. And
we had Jose Salas Reyes, a .k .a. Chapulin Reyes,
versus Michael Angeletti. What are your thoughts
on that lineup of fights for different events?
I like three out of four. I like three out of
four. I don't care for the Fedora fight. Now,
listen, sometimes you make excuses for certain
things. I feel like I've been making excuses
for, we made excuses for the Fedora Thurman fight.
I didn't like it, but okay, what it is, what
doesn't happen, pay the ad of it, name. There's
real work to get done at 154. There's real, real
work to get done there. He's going to have to
get involved in the mix of this. I mean, We just
got to see it. If this fight's going to happen,
fine. I don't care for it. If Matt, you're going
to say, oh, he's getting rid of the mandatory
now, so we don't have to deal with it later.
Okay, then fine. If there's some kind of strategy
to it, that's fine. But I need to see some real
work getting done. The other fights, like the
Ramos fight, I like. Listen, Ramos, to me, did
not look overly oppressive against Shane Mosley
Jr. He didn't. He didn't. I think that's a tough
fight. I think that's going to be an interesting
fight. It's a fight I want to see. Figueroa versus
Kameda, I think that's an action fight. I think
that that's a fight where the styles mesh really
well. So I think that's going to be a very entertaining
fight. And Angeletti versus, what's his opponent's
name? Anyone. Anyone. Kameda. Or Salas. Salas
Reyes. Salas Reyes. Yeah, Kapulin, man. Yeah.
that's going to be a really good fight because
Angeletti, right, is a guy that you've been talking
about for a long time, right? And we want to
see what he really has, what we're about to really
find out. And that is a fantastic, to me, those
are the kind of fights I like. I like when you
got a guy that's a champion, you got a guy that
we see potential in, we see the thing, and we're
about to find out the truth. Those are great
matchups. I'm never going to be negative on a
matchup like that. Breaking the conversation
here, I do want to introduce a guest, frequent
guest of the show, host of the longest running
boxing show on YouTube, Boxing Source, J .R.
Bell. How are you doing today? Yo, what's going
on, man? Just, you know, catching up here on
Brunch Boxing. Hey, listeners, hit the like button.
Yo, those on Spaces, y 'all go ahead and follow
Brunch Boxing. I mean, no, y 'all pretty much
like open the whole show with the thing with
Shakur and Zufa. I don't know what to make of
it. I know that there's been some talk. I know
someone made a recent post about Mr. Asher Kord,
Nafit Shaheed Stevenson. And that person was
Mr. Oshaki Foster. And I know that he's laughing
about the whole thing because he would have thought
that Shakur would have been a man of his word.
But as of right now, it doesn't look like that
is the case. As far as Shakur, signing with Zufa.
I don't know if it's going to lead to a Ryo fight.
I was hoping that it could eventually lead to,
I don't know, Conor Benn, because he did have
a face -to -face with Conor Benn as well. So
as of right now, it's unknown what's going to
be the next move for Shakur Stevenson. I know
what he was talking about on SportsCenter or
on Nightcap, but do any of y 'all believe what
he was talking about in those shows? At least
for me, I don't. So I just think it's just something
where, like y 'all were saying, that they're
trying to, you know, buy all the affinity stones.
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, that's what they're trying
to do. You know, you got to see what shoe drops
next. I think that every guy that becomes a free
agent, it's going to get interesting at that
point. We shall see. You know, we got to see
all these guys on the zone. Just don't step in
the way of some of these, right? And be like,
hey, whatever we got to do financially to keep
these guys, these names, right? A guy like David
Benavidez, guys like Ryan Garcia, guys like that,
to keep them over here so we can have them on
our schedule. I'm very curious how that plays
out. Yeah, and also, why do people pretend like
TKO has the biggest war chest in boxing? We do
know that DAZN is owned by a Russian oligarch,
right? Right, that's where it gets really interesting,
right? DAZN can really play this financial too,
right? Yeah, Black Atlantic is a billionaire
on top of a billionaire on top of a billionaire.
He owns one of the largest, probably the largest,
if you debated, media companies in the world.
So yeah, he - He probably owns the color blue.
No, would you guys say then, instead of we always
say it's these promotions versus Zufa, is it
going to become DAZN versus Zufa? Don't answer
all at once. Probably. It just, you know, like
I said, it just depends on what... I still got
to see how they work out their current media
distribution deal with Paramount. But, you know,
outside of that, you know, if they try to expand,
then we'll see. But I think, you know, they're
going to have, as they say, like, Selah or TKO
involved, which means Ring Magazine or Ring Events
are going to be, you know, part of that, too.
That's how I like to incorporate Conor Benn,
because when Conor Benn was said to be signed
with Zufa, TKO pretty much came out and said,
no, that's basically turkey a la chic, requiring
Conor Benn's services, so to speak. How is it
that one guy has his fingers in every pie, but
yet the boxing picture is still all murky and
fucked up? It doesn't make sense almost if you
think about it. Who has their own businesses
competing against each other? It doesn't make
any sense. It's an interesting business. Internal
competition. What he's doing is the Fox and Hunger
Games. So you don't think the Peace Summit worked?
I don't think there was a Peace Summit. I don't
think there was either. Nah, that was just a
meeting, man. That wasn't no peace summit. They
were negotiating Joshua versus Perry. Yeah, that's
all it was. It was just negotiating. Matt, I
want to go back to the four fights. Okay. Reyes
versus Angioletti, is that the most underrated
fight of the year? I think it's a very underrated
fight. I think it's a very underrated fight.
Like I said, I think that boxing fans, sometimes
they don't know what they want. You got two young
guys fighting each other on top of the game.
It's like, that's what you want. And it's not
always gonna pan out as a great fight, but you're
gonna get an honest result. That's what you want.
I don't understand pushing back on that. Yo,
who's like in an office? Matt. Thank you. I can
hear all New York. We should put featuring all
New York. I already know what time the station
stops and everything. I don't even know. One
thing I realized from Matt traveling, you know,
because he's a traveling man. People in New York
have got really nothing to say. I've never heard
one interesting thing in his background where
I was like, hey, what an interesting point to
put it. What about the time when a guy was screaming
bloody murder for help? Yeah, and I was like,
oh, man, are you going to help that guy? You're
like, he just missed the bus. I was like, there's
no way. There's no way this guy's screaming for
help, and the only thing he did was miss the
bus. All he did was miss the bus. And there was
another bus right behind it. Yeah, I could see
that in New York City. They would just scream
and go crazy about missing the bus. Yeah, that
can actually happen. It sounds like. and it sounds
pretty boring, I've got to be honest with you.
I've never, and I'm a guy that likes to, you
know, pay attention to people's conversations.
Like, if I'm sitting there, someone's talking,
I'm going to be like, what are these guys talking
about? And I've never once been like, hey, Matt,
keep it down, let me hear the person in the back.
I've never, it's never happened. I'm not going
to lie, our guy from Keep It 100 Boxing, Ty,
he had a very interesting background today. He
did. And Ezra. Off air, you had a very interesting
background the other day. I was telling that
to my wife. I told my wife, I said, hey. Oh,
so what was going on in the background? You can't
play it live. You said, hey, Matt heard you?
Yeah, I was like, hey, you know, Matt heard our
conversation. And she was like, what, how? She's
like, I thought you put me on the space. I was
like, it wasn't a space. Didn't realize that
when you set up a streaming audience, it just
needs to keep the microphone on. Yeah, you got
to mute your mic there. She was probably mortified.
I'm just glad I didn't say anything too crazy.
There's a reason he's in the vehicle now, man.
There's a reason he's in the vehicle. Hey, I'll
be honest. I still want to know who she was talking
about. That was a very interesting conversation.
You're not texting me the whole time. I can hear
you. You even put an exclamation point on your
own tweet. Come on, man. Tell your wife, stop
talking about Jenny Sachs. No, you know. Oh,
man. That shit was too funny. But yeah, I love
this Chapul and the Angeletti fight because And
Chapulin is going to give Angeletti all that
he can handle, and Angeletti's going to have
to fight him off. He's going to have to fight
him off because Chapulin doesn't stop coming
forward. He doesn't stop throwing punches. And
Angeletti, you know, he is a defensive -minded
wizard, but he could get sucked into a war. And
the Kameda fucking Figueroa fight, bro. That's
going to be all action. Yeah, I mean, you know,
we couldn't get, like, what, Figueroa versus,
who's the WBO? Because they thought about having
a unification with Figueroa, but this is a nice
consolation prize. Exactly. This is good for
the eyes. Yeah, it should be really entertaining.
And then from there, you have a thousand other
matchups now. Like, so the one thing, it's like,
if DAZN can really get these guys to make...
strong schedules and make the guys fight each
other a little bit more consistently, it could
really be something special. It could be that.
It really could. It could be nothing. It really
could. We could be very frustrated with it as
well. Being like, hey, these guys are all the
same thing and they're still not fighting each
other. This is what we're getting. So it could
be extremely frustrating, but it could be really
special. And these matchups, I'm very curious
because If PBC could get a steady schedule, I'm
very curious on how they're able to build their
guys because I think they've always been pretty
great at that. So I'm very curious how they could
build a new batch of guys coming up. And all
these guys are kind of on the same playing field
now, so it's like you're really going to see
what promotions excel in this situation. Yeah,
well, let me ask you a question, though. Why
does it seem like, I guess, the boxing Twitter
fans... aren't too excited about these matchups?
I don't think they're like wow names. And I think
that what people have to realize is good matchups
don't really do it for people. It's like the
name value of them, right? I think that... When
you have the announcers like that, they want,
oh, these big names, like, we're going to get
the Crews, the Menomitas, and they're going to
be an interesting matchup. And I think that when
they didn't get that, they were kind of, like,
felt underwhelmed, I guess. But you have to think
about, like, just, like, what I think about in
boxing is just, like, I just want something that
is kind of hard to predict. I want something
that is, like, has some mystery to it, and it's
two guys fighting at the top level. That's why
I see matchups. But it didn't have the name value,
and I think that's what people kind of shot it
down. Yeah, yeah. Now, the Jesus Ramos and the
Sultanah fight, to me, that's interesting because
do we really know what Jesus Ramos is? Like I
said, I wasn't impressed on his first middleweight
fight. I was not. Or if that was the second,
I don't remember. But that Shea Mosley Jr. fight,
I thought that he was going to run through Shea
Mosley, and he didn't. He looked kind of a little
bit ordinary. I think he could lose this matchup.
So I, I like it because to me, it's like a close
matchup. I thought that, I thought that was a
good fight. Uh, the Ramos versus most, I thought
it was a pretty good fight. It was an entertaining
fight. Yeah. But I don't, I think with, uh, it
doesn't show me anything really before that.
It's like, hey, you know what? You should be
in an entertaining fight with Shane Mosley Jr.
You know, back and forth fight. That's not what
I saw. That's not what he needed for that. I
don't know. Maybe the thing with Ramos was when
he was at 154, a lot of the fighters that he
took on were like, you know, smaller or whatever
it is. So he was basically a 160 guy fighting
154 pound guys. We see that happen, right? What's
his best performance? Is it a Joey Spencer fight?
What's his best performance? I thought it was
a Rosario fight. What else? Because remember
he had the joint with Erickson Lubin where he
lost that Lubin fight. I know a lot of people
think that's whatever. I thought Lubin beat him.
I thought Lubin outboxed him. I really did. I
thought Lubin beat him. Yeah, so I think he's
one of those guys that looked very interesting
when he was crushing cans coming up. He looked
like, man, look at his build. Look at what he
could do. I don't think he knows what his style
is. And I think that he... One thing he told
me when I interviewed him was he's trying to
get what he does in sparring to happen in the
ring. And I understand that because I've seen
a lot of killers in sparring. I've seen guys
that were world -level fighters in sparring that
didn't go into an actual box. didn't actually
happen. But I also think that's also because
he's not sure who he is. He's not sure what a
style works for him. And he knows the style he
wants to do when he's crushing cans. But when
it gets to a little bit of a challenge, he's
like in between boxer, aggressive fighter. And
I think that that sort of kind of falls apart
for him a little bit. Well, if it falls apart
against Nassau Tanoff, he might get put out.
One thing Nassau Tanoff could do, he could punch
a little bit. Since he's fighting a Saltanoff,
does this mean that Carlos Adamez is done at
160 completely? Because Adamez was supposed to
fight a Saltanoff. I don't know what the hell
Adamez is doing. I really don't. I don't get
it. And you know what? I thought he looked good
his last fight. I like the way he looked his
last fight against Amel. And I don't know. It
just seems like a very weird waste of a career
that could have probably been pretty interesting,
honestly. And it's just... I don't know. If it
goes 168, let's do it. Let's get it going. There's
fights to be made there. But, man, you got to
do something. You got to get some momentum. Keep
building some momentum because this is, maybe
it's not his fault, right? He's not like he has
the most power in his name. But, man, this is
a waste of a career. We got a comment from a
frequent listener, Dan the Boxing Man. He said
there's a side of people on Twitter that just
hates whatever PBC puts out. but they didn't
say shit about Keisha versus Albright 2 or the
upcoming Terramona versus Savage bout. First
of all, you're right. But Terramona versus DeAndre
Savage. Oh, no. Let's go. Let's go. Hey, hey,
Dan, you my god. You my god, Dan. But you're
way off base with this one. Oh, no. Oh, man.
This is going to be meat cleavers being thrown,
okay? I want to say that. Matt's opinion on heavyweights
fight is to be taken with a grain of salt. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. A lot of salt, actually. No, no.
Salt. Salt, pepper. Garlic. Yeah. Garlic. Yeah.
Salt, garlic, butter. Hey, he's going to eat
that meat. He's going to eat that meat. Sauteed
mushrooms. Oh, God. He is going to eat that meat.
Oh! Whoa! Now, I will say I'm consistent. I like
Keisha over Saul Brighton. I thought people were
really down on that fight. I was like, it's an
interesting matchup. Now, did it pan out good
in the rings? Not really. Not really? Not at
all. Yeah, yeah. I didn't hate it. I didn't hate
it on paper. I was like, I get it. Had real heat.
Had real heat. Come on, guys. You got to talk
about real heat is a real thing. You know what
I mean? Oh, man. If you care about real heat,
you should be pushing for Shakur Stevenson to
fight Oshaki Foster. And you should be pushing
for Devin Haney to fight Tiger Johnson. I do.
I do. You know what? I wouldn't mind that right
now. That's real heat. Yeah, that is real heat.
Real heat is a real thing. Like, you know, Sunday
night with the WWE. That Adamas joint, I thought,
you know, they were trying to angle him to fight
the IBF champ or something like that. But I guess
that fizzled out. So now it's like, what in the
world is Adamas going to be doing? You know,
you're saying that you're moving up to 168 and
you can't even get fights at 168. So now what?
I don't know what they do. I really don't know
what they're going to do. What else you got for
me, Matt? So I was also looking back. Hey, Mike,
you there? Mike, are you there? I'm here. It's
time for the food portion of the show, Mike.
Okay, here we go. Okay, Jaime Munguia, Mike,
Jaime Munguia has, I guess, a restraining order.
I guess it's Baby Baba and it's like all this
drama going on. Can you give us a rundown on
what is going on in the food community? Yeah,
so right now, you know, Jaime put a restraining
order because he feels that, you know, they're
arguing and potential getting into some altercation
and he's trying to avoid that stuff. And he had
the right during his day to be with his child
during his graduation. Well, she tried to show
up, of course, unpeacefully, like he was going
to. And, you know. Anyway, how do you know that
she showed up unpeacefully? Hey, Ezra, I have
an inside source at TJ, okay? I got an inside
source. I brought this up. I told everybody this
was going down. Okay, she showed up to a graduation,
a kindergarten graduation, right? Unpeacefully.
Okay, okay. I just want to just look at it. Unpeacefully.
She believes she had the right to sit next to
Hyman during the graduation. You know, it wasn't
going to happen. Where? At the graduation. Next
to Hyman? Yeah, next to Malia. So she was allowed
to sit there, but just not next to Hyman. Yeah.
Okay, so I think personally, I think you have
your information wrong, my friend. I personally
think that because I think she wasn't even allowed
at the event. I think that's what that was. No,
he was okay with it. He wasn't going to enforce
anything until she made that move. You're right.
I get what you're trying to say. And who enforced
this? I'm just curious, Mike. Who enforced that
she was removed from the graduation? Yeah, the
school administration called the police here,
Ezra. The police had to come and remove her from
the kindergarten graduation. Well, that's the
appropriate way to handle something, Ezra. Did
you want him to get physical with her? What do
you mean? I think Ezra's baffled by the fact
that someone had to be removed by police from
a kindergarten graduation. Hey, man, it happens.
You got to behave yourself because then you end
up in situations like this. So do you think I'm
going to say this? You know, I love Asian people,
but you don't got to marry somebody from Hong
Kong. This guy's an idiot. This guy's an idiot.
That's my joke, by the way. That's my joke, by
the way. That's my joke, by the way. But I will
say this. I will say this. Oh, man, that's funny.
Is Jaime to blame, in your eyes, is Jaime to
blame at all in this situation? Yes. Okay, how?
You got to be careful how you take your baby
mama. You got to be careful. That's a fact. So
he's only to blame because he chose the wrong
person. And generally, as a man, you got to be
responsible for anything that goes on in your
life. If something goes wrong, when it all boils
down, it's your fault. No one else's. That's
true. You know what? You're right. You're right
about that. Hey, this fool can't control this
woman. I got it. I never used the term cheap
for the streets, but now I know what they're
talking about when they say that. I wasn't sure
about the food community segment of this show.
I got to be honest with you. Now I'm all in.
I am completely sold. Mike, please bring some
food community news every week to this show.
I can only bring what might connect from TJ.
I'm just saying, I don't even care if it has
to do with boxing. Just bring me something. Please
bring me something from the food community every
week. Man. Speaking of the food community, Rolo
Romero and Tiafema Lopez had their face off this
week. Yes, they did. And I don't think either
one's from the food community, by the way. They
are not. But Tio, I don't know what it is about
Tio. It looks like he's joking around. And Roley
don't look like he playing. Am I wrong for thinking
right away Roley's going to knock this dude out?
You know, the one thing, I've learned my lesson,
I don't try to read what Teal's mind is doing
or anything like that. Like I said, we have done
things where we're like, Teal's going to get
destroyed in this fight. Mentally, he's not there.
He's all over the place. And then he has his
best performance. I'm not in the business of
reading Teal's mind or what he's thinking. So
I think he could go in there, joke around, and
still get a massive knockout on Rowley. I think
he could go in there completely serious and take
a beating from Rowley. I can't read that part
of it. I know that this is a good matchup. I
know that I sometimes go back and forth. I'm
leaning T .O., right? I'm leaning T .O., but
I could go back and forth on this one. I could
go back and forth, and I could see that Rowley
kind of fighting so awkwardly that it frustrates
T .O. and throws off his timing, and he really
falls apart in that fight. So I go back and forth,
but I'm not going to try to read either of these
guys' minds. Based off of T .O. Pima Sr., the
way he was talking, he has not learned his lesson,
Matt. Like, his dad took zero responsibility,
blamed his son for everything. So we're going
to get the same thing that he gets in the corner
every fight, and that's not good. You know, the
one thing that Tio Feeble Sr. said that I didn't
know was an advantage in a fight. You're going
to hate yourself, bro. He says, we know how to
lose now. I said, I don't think that's a good
thing. I didn't think that was a positive thing.
But he said that Shakur, he goes, he feels bad
for Shakur because Shakur doesn't know how to
lose. And I said, you know what, that's a fact.
I said, that right there is accurate. He's speaking
truth there. They do know how to lose and Shakur
doesn't as of right now. Now, could it be that
him saying that we know how to lose is we know
how to bounce back from adversity and because
he is a drunk, he doesn't know how to elocute
himself. Well, here's the thing. I don't know
what that last word you said meant. But here's
the other thing that I'm going to say about that.
There's no proof that they know how to do that
because they haven't done it yet. Oh, I guess
you're right. They have lost before. You're right
about that. Actually, so did he just learn how
to lose? Or did they learn how to lose when the
Cabozos fight? That's actually a better question.
When did he learn how to lose? Did it take two
times? Or was it the first time? I think that's
right here. I think he's just saying they know
how to bounce back from adversity. Oh, okay.
That's all. We shall see. I mean, does Tiafema
Lopez think you'll strike you as a wordsmith?
No. Yeah, all right. Ezra, you got to fix the
channel. Brick Squad wants to send super chats.
Uh -oh, Tom, I got to send an apology video to
YouTube, apparently. With my face in it, with
the newspaper of today's date. stating why, I
don't know what I'm asking for forgiveness for
YouTube. I'm not sure. I would love for us to
get super chats, but YouTube wants an apology
video for, I don't know what Matt did, where
we needed to send an apology to YouTube. Wow.
So you don't know what it is, but you're automatically
blaming me? I don't post on the YouTube. What
I do is the original content of me in the car.
We can't get in trouble for that. But what the
hell's going on here? See that? See the car's
like, what? Hey, Brick Squad, if you want to
support Brick Squad, feel free to hit the cash
app, Brick Squad. Dollar sign is that your face.
Dollar sign is that your face, Brick Squad. Yeah,
yeah. Hit the cash app. I'll just say hit the
cash app. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I just saw
the... gayest comment in the history of brunch
boxing. No, no, no, no, no. Wait, we can't use
the word gay on brunch boxing? And you wonder
why you gotta send this apology? You wonder why
you gotta send this apology? I'm just hoping
that Huey just does it. Hey, please. Guys, please
put this comment up here. Please. Okay, here
we go. It says laughing my fucking Ezra. Hold
on, hold on, hold on. Listen. It says, well,
I'm not hitting up Matt's cash app. I want it
all for King Ezra. Ezra, I want you to know that
a comment is coming from a guy named Brick Squad.
Hey, more like bricked up. You two, don't worry.
I'll be sending that apology. Exactly. Now you
know what to apologize for. You guys, it's like,
you know, people realize that we're like, oh,
man, we're building this brand. It's going to
be so great. And then that guy starts, whoa,
whoa, whoa. It's like, hey, whoa, whoa. We got
to, you know. Hey, you know what I realized,
Ezra? I think me doing a rundown every week.
It's to keep me from being who I really want
to be on the show. It's to keep Matt on track.
Yeah, he gets off the rails and the show's just
chaos. Every time there's been a break, I've
been like, what else do you have for the show,
Matt? I've been trying to keep it on the rails.
I read that comment and I went over it. I almost
thought about hiding it just so Matt didn't see
it. You should have. You should have hit that
bad boy. Hey, you know what? Sometimes I can't
help but bring back the MVO flavor to Brunch
Boxing. Oh, man. That's who I thought I signed
up for. I thought I signed up Brunch Boxing for.
Oh, shit. Oh, shit. That is fucking hilarious.
You got any quick hits for the day? No, no. Fuck
the quick hits. Let's go. I still want to talk
about this PBC stuff. There's a lot to unpack
here. Because Gary Antoine Russell is going to
have to come back. Okay? Do we see him coming
back against anybody significant? Is JB still
with us? Yes, I am. You are the Russell Whisperer.
You tell us what's going on with these Russells.
I'm not the Russell Whisperer because I have
not heard anything from them in over a month.
It looked like they were Like, he was in line
to be fighting Eastside Pitbull Cruz, but as
of right now, it doesn't seem like anything has
been, you know, done yet. So, I don't know what's
going on. And, you know, given what has happened
over the past few weeks, I'm not, you know, liking
what's going, you know, the movements, man, or,
you know, what's been said. Because you wouldn't
expect that from Gary Antoine Russell. especially
from what he was saying, like, you know, the
past couple of years. So what's going on right
now? I'm, you know, I don't understand it at
all. You know, the one thing that I would, if
I can have it my way, right. If I ran the zoo,
like Mr. Magoo. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Isn't
it Gerald? Mr. Magoo is someone completely different.
Okay. Yes, he is. You know what? You are Mr.
Magoo, actually, Ezra. But if you ran the zoo
like Gerald Magoo. Yes, Gerald Magoo, man. If
I ran the zoo like Mr. Magoo, I would give PBC
a TNT date, and I would put Pitbull versus Russell.
It's a fight that, to me, you got Pitbull, who
is a star. Russell, who's a rising star, and
you got two styles that really, literally cannot
disappoint if they get in the ring with each
other. It'd be a violent fight, it'd be an entertaining
fight, and it'd be a guy that wins that's going
to have a lot in front of him. That's what I
would hope that would happen next. Yeah, I need
to see him fight somebody interesting. I need
to see him fight somebody interesting. I just
want to see him back in the ring. Yeah. I'm glad
he is finally fighting two times this year. Yeah,
exactly. You have a performance like he had against
Ryo Valenzuela last year and then not get back
in the ring until the following February or whatever
it was. Yeah, at least this time he's fighting
twice. You know, I would like to see, because
I've noticed that PBC has signed some guys. and
not announced it like under the radar, like Albert
Bell. Right. And obviously Tomoki Kameda's with
them. Maybe he's with them the whole time. I
know he's with them now. I would like to see
them sign a few guys. You know, I want to see
them sign a Rashidi Ellis, you know, who is going
to be the official Birchbox fighter. Duke Reagan
is with PBC. Abel Mendoza is with PBC. So there's
going to be a lot of matchups put on these cards.
When people saw these four fights, they thought
that's the fight and that's the main event and
that's it. No, these are just four fights that
are going to happen this year. But not all of
them are necessarily the main events. There's
going to be a lot of different fights that happen
this year. And please do not forget that Charlo's
are coming back also. Jamel Charlo mainly because
Jamal, he's already fighting in Australia. But
Jamel Charlo is coming back this year also. So
that's going to be another guy added to the mix.
Honestly, I'm very excited to see what PBC does
for the rest of the year. Yeah, and I think with
that deal with DAZN, I think that does open the
door for them to have more events that could
just be on DAZN and not really have to worry
about. seeing if amazon prime is going to accept
it like the zone they may be more lenient in
events that are put together because they just
want the content so you you'll see more uh events
coming from you know pvc or tgb or whatever it
is here you know before the end of the year yeah
instead of just pay -per -views yeah i think
the zone just wants to stack a schedule you know
i mean they just want to put a schedule together
that's consistent you know, they have this whole,
you know, Saturday nights are for fights or whatever.
So it seems like they're trying to have something,
uh, something going at all times. Yeah. Yeah.
I think, uh, man, PBC, man, how has completely
frozen over? First of all, people sees with the
zone. Okay. Who, whoever thought we would see
that, but all right. Let me ask you a question,
Ezra. And I don't want to start trouble. Who
does this PBC, DAZN deal help more, PBC or DAZN?
That's actually a great question. I'm going to
say it helps PBC. I'm going to say it helps PBC
more because what PBC needs is to have a more
consistent schedule where they get more opportunities
to put their fighters out there. And I think
that, I keep emphasizing this, but DAZN does
have the TNC connection now. And I do think that's
a big thing. And that they could put PBC fighters
on the, give PBC the opportunity on DAZN as well
to build their fighters as well. The positives
that come with PBC though on DAZN that DAZN would
get is they have a promoter that really does
know the U .S. market and knows how to make big
events in the U .S. market. The one thing...
Matt, you always said was if this is going to
work with Turkey taking over, you have to get
with the PBC, right? In the U .S. market, that's
like the key. And I think that's still true.
And I think that if PBC can get more consistent
scheduling, that you're going to see what they
can do with their fighters. That is just different
than everybody else in the U .S. market. Well,
not just with their fighters. I'm actually curious
to see. How many new subscriptions is PBC going
to drive to the zone with their events? That's
the real key. Because to me, if PBC does what
we know they're capable of doing, what they've
been doing over the years, no matter who's in
charge, no matter what the budget is, they've
been delivering consistent, excellent fights.
If PBC... can drive subscriptions to the zone,
who's to say they're not going to get the biggest
budget at the zone? Because the zone wants to
bang for their buck. The zone wants to drive
subscriptions. So if you have someone who you
know can drive, because, I mean, let's be honest,
Matchroom, Queensbury, Golden Boy, you know,
they haven't exactly been driving subscriptions.
It seems like the zone has been stagnant over
the years. But with PBC, let's see. Yeah, I think
that's it. And if you're a person that orders
consistently PBC pay -per -views, right, then,
you know, it is kind of a deal to get that subscription,
right? Like you pay 44 and you get all the events
for every fight, basically, promotion. And the
PBC ones, I think that is actually kind of, you
kind of started making that like, yeah, that's
not too bad of a deal. I mean, you have their
DAZN Ultimate subscription, you know, that people
can invest in. But, you know, PBC is going to
drive, you know, the American market because
right now that's kind of been DAZN's focus or
concern is that they don't necessarily have the
U .S. subscribers that they will want. So I think
PBC, you know, having PBC events on there would
definitely help that. And seeing if they could
grow, you know, up to around what they want,
like 650 to 750 ,000 U .S. subscribers, I think
is what their goal is. So that, you know, is
a great move towards, you know, getting what
they want. And plus, PBC is going to have the
guy that fights in May and September. So it just
makes sense. I think the zone really got away
with robbery. It's like one of your fantasy trades,
man. This one really got over. They got the best
worker in the business. So I was like, man, you
know. Good for them. Oh, man. So let's review
the PBC announcement when it came to DAZN. Because
I want Ezra to book the damn territory. Okay.
Okay. So they announced as part of the subscription,
David Benavidez. That was the first name. Okay.
What is the path for David Benavidez in 2026,
I guess, 2027? Okay. 2026, it's going to be tough.
There's not a lot of options there. You guys
aren't going to like my path. I already know
it now, but I'm going to keep saying it. You
get David Benavidez in the heavyweight. We end
the year, David Benavidez debuts at heavyweight.
And I'm going to be honest, versus anyone. Lower
level, doesn't matter. You just get him in there,
you debut him at heavyweight. You know, who just
signed with Mattroom? Andy Ruiz. You work your
way to that Andy Ruiz fight, which I've been
saying for a long time. That's a big fight. Andrew
Ruiz gets a tune -up, David Benavidez gets his
feet wet, and in early 2027, we get David Benavidez
versus Andrew Ruiz for a heavyweight fight, for
a mega fight, for a fight that every Mexican
in the world will pay attention to because you
have two Mexican heavyweights fighting each other.
It's fantastic. The whole food community will
be in on this bad boy. David Benavidez's path
to superstardom, to being the face of boxing.
You may not like it or not, but sometimes, like
I said, you can't choose. You can't choose your
fate. You can only choose how you meet it. And
to meet it is right. David Benavidez's path to
the face of boxing is the heavyweight division.
Now, what do you do with him in 2026? You just
debut him at heavyweight. And you could be, and
I literally mean. So, you know, so we're not
doing the unification with McKinley in that.
Jesus, no. Jesus, no. We're not doing a Baturbia
fight next. You know what you ask Yoel? That's
his name, right? Yoel McKinnon? Can you make
heavyweight? That's what you ask him. Hey, can
you make heavyweight? Because you are going to
heavyweight. You are going to fight someone in
heavyweight. You're going to debut a heavyweight.
And it's not going to be a big name. It's just
going to be, hey, David Benavidez is a heavyweight
now. That's your selling point. Then it's Andy.
Then it's Big Baby. Then it starts getting real
interesting from that point. So you would want...
David Benavidez to fight a 300 -pound guy. Yes.
100%. 100%. The tough man competition. What are
we doing here? Oh, man. Listen, if you ain't
got a vision, then put on the glasses. That's
what I'm going to tell you right now. Because
this is what the vision is. This is money. This
is printing money. This is super startup. And
you know what? I believe David can do it. Well,
my vision... for David Benavidez is Artur Baturbiev
in his first fight back. Okay, well, let's say
Baturbiev is willing to take that. I have my
doubts. Yeah, well, wait. Cruiserweight. Cruiserweight.
Dan is Cruiserweight champion. But why do you
have your doubts that Baturbiev will take that
fight? No actions he's done have shown me that
he wants to take that fight. No, actually, he
told me he really wants to take any tough fight
outside of a Bovo fight that was going to get
paid by some money that didn't actually exist
in Russia. Okay, so I don't believe that Bertovia
wants any fight besides Bovo, and I think he's
closer to retirement than he is from having another
fight. Interesting. Second name that was mentioned
in the press release, Errol Spence Jr. We know
he comes back on July 25th this month to face
Tim Zhu. We assume he's going to win. Okay. If
he wins, what do we want to see for Errol Spence?
First of all, do we want to see him again in
2026? I don't know. No. No, I think it would
be 2027. But I want to see, well, like I said,
I don't know if I want to see this, but this
is if I was managing, if I own, you know, ran
the zoo like Gerald McGrew, is his name? Yes.
Who is Jerome McGrew, by the way? He's the guy
that runs the zoo. Here's what I would do. Dr.
Seuss. Wasn't a big Dr. Seuss fan, for obvious
reasons. Now, okay. Because you can't read. Oh,
man. That was... They could try to knock me down.
They could try to knock me down, but we stay
standing. Okay. Here's the thing, right? What
I would do for Ospence, if he wins, I think the
obvious fight to me is Fundora. Now, as a fan,
from my point of view, it's not necessarily what
I want. But if you win, you have to go after
the guy that's at the top of the... that you
have on your side of the division. So I think
that's the fight you go with. Why? Well, Errol
Spence is a big name in boxing. I think people
forget this, how big of a star he is. And with
the win over Zoo, you get the buzz going again.
With the win over Zoo, you get people start believing
again. Correct. And you say, you know what? Maybe
he ran to Terrence Crawford, but these guys ain't
Terrence Crawford. And maybe if it's not Terrence
Crawford, well, Maybe it's the same Earl Spence
that was dominant before. And then you start
getting the buzzes like Fandora, who we see as
a guy that could be maybe a dominant freak of
nature. But maybe we go back to what we were
thinking before, that he didn't have a chance
against Earl Spence. And maybe that's where people
start believing that this is a good matchup.
You send that to Texas, you get Earl Spence back
in front of his fans, you get Earl Spence back
in a sold -out house, and you get Earl Spence's
star of boxing back fighting for a title. Can
I tell you why? You guys don't believe in Errol
Spence right now. We do. No, no, no. But if he
beats you, I promise you, if he beats you, then
the people will be talking about, oh, he's back.
He's going to beat all the... You don't believe
in him yet. And I'm not sure I do. We do believe
in Errol Spence, but... Errol Spence is, as they
say, a big event guy. And Matt, what do you like
most in boxing? Big events. Okay, so after this
fight against Tim Zhu, you know, I don't think
that could be the next direction there for Errol
Spence Jr., but Matt, you booked the territory.
Or, you know, you run the zoo like Gerald McGrew.
Because after Tim's zoo, who would you like to
see Errol Spence fight next? For a second there,
you couldn't stop rhyming. I'm just going to
tell you that. For a second there, everything
rhymed. Give me Jamal Charles or Virgil Ortiz.
Uh -huh. And that's what we mean by big events,
okay? All right, I don't mind either of those.
I don't mind either of those. What do you mean
those are great matches? Those are entertaining.
I didn't think about Pandora. That is a great
event right there. What about the, damn. Y 'all
said everybody but a unified champion at 154.
What y 'all want to see? Y 'all said everybody
but a unified champion. Don't want to see boots,
right? No, I don't want to see boots right now.
I want to see that. Oh, y 'all protecting him?
Y 'all protecting him? They're protecting him.
Come on, man. Come on. They got Eddie Hearn matchmaking.
You see Eddie Hearn matchmaking? That's protection
plan, man. The additional voice of the Sunday
morning sermon, the host of the RNS podcast,
T .Y. Mr. Keep It 100 Boxing. Welcome to the
show. And I come and keep it 100, man. Listen,
like I said, I get it. If Earl were to fight
Virgil, that's a big event down there. I get
it. But, you know, you don't want to fight the
unified champion from Philadelphia. I get it.
I get it. I get it. That's not a bigger event
than those two matches. I get it. Okay. Okay.
Go for it. Okay. I don't know about that. Okay.
I don't know about that. I'm going to be truthful
with you. That's not a bigger event. Okay. Let's
see. Bigger event or bigger ass whooping? Which
one are you talking about? I don't know what
he's talking about, Ty. We're talking about big
events here. I'm sorry. Boots doesn't qualify
yet. He's getting there. He's my guy. I used
to take criticism because I had him on my P4P
for a long time, but I knew who he was. Yeah,
but Virgil a big event, right? Dude did 3 ,000
tickets in his hometown. He did 3 ,000 tickets.
Get the fuck out of here. Listen, they know what
PBC is going to sell different. I know. Oscar
knows when he's working with PBC, it's different.
Oh, my God. You got to deal with this. What's
up, fellas? Matt, who else you got? All right.
The next name on the list, the aforementioned
Sebastian Pandora. I want to see him unify. We
know he's fighting the mandatory next. After
the mandatory, what did you immediately want
to see from him? Did Ezra freeze? Yes, he did.
Yeah, it looks like it. You know, I want the
winner of Spence and Ortiz, man, for Pandora.
That's what I want. Oh, my God. Everybody, the
boots. You see this shit? And then the winner
gets boots. No, no, T .Y., this is where I'm
with you. I want boots. And then the winner gets
boots. The other side has to work hard too, Ty.
They can't just get a shot for not taking any
matches. Remind me, how many belts is Boots going
to have in that fight and how many Svendora are
going to have in that fight? They're going to
have a belt though, right? Boots is going to
have two though, so who did more work? No, I'm
saying the people to fight Boots. I would feel
better about it if Boots came into the fight
with three belts. No one said Bruce is not doing
work. The guys were going to fight him. He could
fight Josh Kelly, but that doesn't mean that
after Fundora fights his mandatory, that can't
be the next fight for both of them. The way Mike
is booking territory, he will turn Bruce Fundora
into the biggest fight in boxing. These guys
don't know how to make big events, man. He said
he wants to see him fight Spence next. The one
that Spence versus Virgil. Which means that's
going to be another bigger vessel. What's he
doing between now and then? He just said he's
going to fight Josh Kelly. He's earned a right,
like I said, to even get a little break fight.
You know what I mean? He's earned that right
two boots already. To have a big fight, then
a regular fight, then a big fight. What was Luis
Malema? Come on, Mike. That was a debut. Stay
busy, fight. Now, here's the thing. Why can't
we have Boots fight Josh Kelly in the meantime
and then fight Jamal Trotter? I like that, too.
And the winner gets the winner? I like that.
Sign us up, man. We got this all figured out
already. He gonna fight Boots in Philly? Say
whatever Boots wants of that. All right, because
- Whatever he wants of that. He ain't got no
say over nothing. Whatever he wants of that,
man. Why you think it's all small time? Oh, look
who it is. My phone overheated. I didn't see
anything like it. It said the phone - Too bad,
I had to switch you and Ezra. We lost T .Y. for
a second. T .Y. joined back. The phone overheated?
The phone overheated. How hard it is to do this
show on the road. But the phone literally overheated.
I had to start the car, move to a different spot
where there was a little bit more shade because
the phone overheated. Does your car not have
an air conditioner? Yeah, but it didn't overheat
because it's hot in the car. It overheated because
the sun was hitting on it. This is not an easy
show to do on the road. What is your air conditioner
on? Of course, of course. What do you think,
I'm going to burn up in here? Because here's
the thing. Before we started the show, you said
you found a spot with a lot of shade on this
perfect road that wasn't ticketing people after
8 o 'clock. You know, the thing about shade is
it shifts. That's the interesting thing about
shade. It's never consistent. You know, I just
realized I live right next to a post office.
I didn't even know this post office was this
close. It's a really convenient post office right
here. Okay, we can continue with the show. Who
you got for Fundora? Do you actually use post
offices? Oh, I use post office all the time.
Book the territory for Fundora as? Oh, for Fundora?
For Fundora, I would get in the middle of all
this action. I would do whatever it takes to
get a Boots fight, a Virgil fight. And if I could
go get Kelly, if that even takes going to the
UK, I go fight in the UK, you can't go take Kelly's
belt. I would get in the middle of all this action
because you have done all the fights, so you
need to build your whatever you're doing here.
Stay busy fights, tuna fight, all these things,
they're all being done. Now it's time to get
to work. So I would get the Virgil fight first.
Then I would go after a Boots fight. And then
I would go to prove I'm the best man in the division,
which I don't think is out of the question for
him. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm going
to have my criticism of the matchmaking. I have
my criticism on his want for these fights. But
I think that he's a hell of a fighter. I do think
that he has improved considerably on fighting
at a distance, at keeping a distance. And I do
think that makes him a lot more dangerous. Yeah,
let's get to the next name on the list. After
Sebastian Fedora is Isak Pitbull Cruz. Ezra,
what are we doing with him? So I already said
Antoine Russell. I want that on TNT. I think
that's a hell of a fight. I think that, you know,
the one thing that Chris did not have for Pitbull
was I did not think that the matchmaking was
great for him. I thought he was kind of protected
in a way. Now I think if he gets Russell, he's
one of the... toughest match guys in boxing,
honestly. But he's the kind of guy that could
pull out that fight because, you know, Russell
doesn't get hit. Russell doesn't get in exchanges,
and Pitbull's a durable, hard -hitting guy, right?
So that would be the next fight for him. If he
gets out of that fight, then I look to match
him up either with a tank, a really big name.
So I would look maybe a tank fight. I would look
for a Shakur fight if I could get it. I would
match him up with one of those big names. No
notes. Isak Pitbull Cruz, Lamont Roach, Omar
Salcido, Angel Fierro, Rob Valenzuela, Roley
Romero, Giovanni Cabrera, Eduardo Ramirez, Yurioca
Gamboa, Javante Davis. Yeah, there's some names
in there, of course. That's easy matchmaking?
No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. You're going from
what I said. I said when I started, there was
a point of his career where there was easy matchmaking.
At what point? At what point? Okay, let's start.
Okay. Let's do this. Let's start from after the
tank fight. Give me those fights from after the
tank fight. Easy fight. Okay, go next one. Eduardo
Ramirez. Eduardo Ramirez was 126 pounder. They
moved up to 135. Giovanni Cabrera. Huh? Giovanni
Cabrera. Yeah, Giovanni Cabrera. I will admit
that that fight was tougher than it ended up,
but that was not. That was not a like, oh man,
this is a tough matchup for him. Okay, it ended
up being a little bit tougher. But that's not
a tough matchup. I'm sorry. That's not like a
guy like, oh, this is a world. It was a tough
matchup. Yeah, but it wasn't necessarily tough
because Cabrera was that good. It was tough because
Cabrera was tall and long. Yeah, it was just
awkward. Thank you, Huey. Thank you, Huey. It
was awkward. So, okay, go to the next fight.
So, I think it gets tougher from this point.
But this was my criticism point. Rob was like,
what am I getting here with this guy? Now, from
this point on. Roll the Romero. Yeah, so I'm
saying from this point on, I respect the work.
So you could have a point and be correct in a
certain time frame, and then it changes. That's
exactly what I just said is exactly what you
just proven. So I don't know what the hell you
thought you were doing mixing all these names
together, but I'm glad that we elaborated on
it so I can show you where you're wrong. But
Giovanni Cabrera was a good matchup. Bro, Giovanni
Cabrera, come on. Let's just call it what it
is. Sometimes you just gotta call it what it
is. Now, he's an awkward matchup. He's a style
that people thought, like, oh, maybe he's something.
Because he beat, what's his name from Stockton,
okay? Like, Gabe Flores from Stockton. Gabe Flores
ended up not being anything. Hold on, hold on.
The same year that he beat Gabe Flores, he also
beat Rene Tellez. Okay, that's fine. Who's still
giving these 135 pounders work. Okay, okay, okay.
Today. All right, man. Listen, let's just call
it is what it is. I don't know. I don't know
what to tell you. It was a good matchup. It was
just an awkward matchup. And at that point, they
thought he was going to run through the guy.
And the fact that it's actually what it being
was actually a disappointment. And we all know
that. That's not true, but okay. But like I said,
it is what it is. So for me, if I'm booking a
territory. Sorry, Antoine. We're going with the
tank fight. Isak Cruz is a minus 1100 favorite
against Giovanni Cabrera. Yeah, of course. What
does that mean? Tell me what that means. That
means that it wasn't expected to be competitive.
It was expected to be a mismatch and that Cruz
was going to walk through him. That's what was
expected. It was a disappointment that he didn't.
It was a disappointment that he didn't walk through
him. I know that betting odds are made so that
way they're made to induce betting on both sides
and minus 1100 doesn't induce betting on Cruz's
side. No, excuse me. First of all, that's not
true of boxing. We're boxing. A lot of these
betting sites are not educated on boxing. So
sometimes the fights are simply priced wrong.
Well, first of all, that's actually not really
true on boxing. Because boxing has been around
forever. That is very true. Do you know how many
times me and Boxer at grade just scour? Looking
for fights. On a lower level, yes, but when you
get to a higher caliber fighter, that doesn't
happen as often. Are you talking about a club
show in Massachusetts? Yeah, I'm sorry. Even
when MVPs started doing these fucking women's
shows, it was the same thing. Use men's boxing.
It's a different sport. You're talking about
women's boxing. No, it's the same shit, man.
Man, I'm tired of this. I'm tired of this revisionist
history. But anyway. We don't even need to have
this talk. What's the next name? I don't care
about that. For me, for Pitbull Cruz, I'm going
with Tank Davis. That's the fight we need next.
We need that fight right now. Let Tank return
against Pitbull. Can I tell you something? Let's
see where he's at. Sure, sure. That fight, we
thought we were getting. That's what I thought
we were getting. I was like, come back and fight
Pitbull. I think it was very telling. that you
weren't getting that fight. I think it was very
telling that they said, you know what, let's
look at Floyd Schofield first. I think it's very
telling that they, I think they think that's
a really tough matchup and they're unsure about
that matchup right now. And I think they want,
I think they wanted a soft touch. Now you were
a guy that bought this whole Devin Haney conversation,
right? Oh, they think this Devin Haney thing's
happening. And I'm sure that's not going to happen.
It's just a lot of talk because it turns out,
and I don't even know if this is true, but let's
just assume it is. Turns out, same time he's
calling out David Haney, he's calling out Bam
Rodriguez. So what does a call -out really mean
when it comes to Tank Davis? I don't know what
it really means. I don't think it means much.
But what I'm telling you right now is I don't
think there's a chance they put him in with a
trainer change and a gap, and since he's been
in, with a pit bull. I don't think they will.
All right, next name on the list, the Charlo
brothers. Let's start with... A little Charlo,
Jamel, who we haven't seen since September 2023.
What do you want to do with him? Who would be
a good matchup for Jamel? I would like him just
to get back in it, but I know it's not going
to happen. So you would need like a tune -up
fight. So some kind of tune -up fight. I couldn't
even tell you a name that would interest me.
Or a name that would make sense. I don't know
what the tune -up fight would make sense. I got
one. Okay. Winky Wright. Oh, shit. Whatever tuna
fight we got to get through for that, and then
let's get him... Just so we're clear, I just
received this from the bat phone. Per ESPN, Tank
and Devin had extensive talks. Just so we're
clear. What is extensive talks? Okay. They talk
about basketball, football, women. They talk
about where they're going to buy their next bag
from, T .Y. They talk about the next Ferrari
they're buying. Listen, all I'm going to say
is you guys like to poo -poo things if it doesn't
get over the line and make it seem like it's
not a reality. All I know is this. When Tank
Davis comes back, He's going to fight a really
good fighter. Oh, man. That's all I know. Come
on, man. Why put your neck out like that, man?
Because that's probably what he was told. Yeah,
well, let me tell you something. Sometimes maybe
you should be like, you know what? I get what
everybody's saying. Let me wait and see on this
situation. And I'm going to take it a step further.
I would not be surprised if Tank's next fight
is against Devin Haney. Is it a matter of if
Devin Haney wants to fight? Or is it a matter
of does Devin Haney want to cut a grip of weight
and do a rehydration class? Which one is it?
Is it that he wants to fight or is it that he
has to cut his leg off? This is what pisses me
off. This is what pisses me off about you fucking
fake boxing fans. You guys say you want to fight,
but you're putting conditions on the fight that
haven't even been discussed. Come on. And then
you'll say, well, we know what's going to happen.
No, no, no. Listen, I will say this. I will say
this, and I'll make it clear right now. If it's
a catchweight, 144, okay, and there's no rehydration
clause, I will have no complaints. I'm not going
to be one of those guys that's going to complain
no matter what. If they do a catchweight, but
there's no rehydration clause, and the guy gets
a cut, and then he can go back up wherever he's
at comfortably. there'll be no complaints by
me. I would give full credit to the winner of
that fight. Even if it's Tank, right? I would
give him full 100%. Even if it's Tank, yo, yo,
you really reveal. Tell us how you really feel.
No, no, no, no, no. You guys don't understand.
Why would I take credit away from Haney who's
doing all the work to get to the spot? So, of
course, even if it's Tank, if Haney's cutting
all this weight right away, it's a hard time
probably getting to 147. Hold on, hold on. Haney's
doing all the work. But 135 -pound Tank moving
up to welterweight is not doing... Okay, buddy.
Hold on, hold on. That's easy. He fought at 40
before. He fought five years. I don't get it.
And it seems like he's not going back to 135.
Seems to me like all the opponents he's talking
about are higher weights. No. So here's the thing
about Tank. It's not about the weight for Tank.
He transcends all of that. It's about whatever
the biggest matchups offer him. Listen, listen,
listen. Yeah, listen. He wants big events, and
he has a certain list of niggas. He want to slap
around before he get out about it. The guy that
transcends weight also has a very key weight
requirements on his contract. It's not true.
It's not true. Hey, hey, hey, hey. He transcends
weight. Who the fuck are you? Roberto Duran?
Get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of
here. This is bullshit. KB, send me a DM. I'll
send you the link. Oh, my. He's fucking. Uh -oh.
He transcends weight. Is Ezra something else,
dude? Hey, wait, wait. I thought you only had
stipulations on one fight. If you agree with
the stipulations, it doesn't matter. In general.
Exactly, exactly. Oh, my God. It's crazy because
he says he does it for Shakur. It's all right.
That's Shakur. But once he does it for Tank,
Tank's going to do this and that. Wait, wait,
wait, wait. Does what for Shakur? They fight
at 144, so that means he's already compromising,
going down. Wait, wait, wait. Does what for Shakur?
I'm curious. Does what for Shakur? He said he'd
fight Shakur at 144. I just said, wait, wait.
But I just said, right, 144, I'm good with. I
said I am perfectly fine with that. I just said
the catchphrase. What about 143? I don't care.
I don't care. Whatever they agreed to, they agreed
to. You get to it. Okay? But if you have a rehydration
clause, we have all this proof in the world that
rehydration clause deteriorate a fighter. Make
him lesser than when he is in the ring. We have
all this proof to do that. So why are we going
to ignore that that's not real? Now, we could
say, oh, we agree to agree to it. But that's
fine. But at what point is that not a sport?
And that's this guy having advantages over someone
because he has financial. He's more financial.
He's more financially better than other guys.
Like, let's be honest. This is called what it
is. That's just what it is, right? I'll tell
you right now. Tank would not go to 130 and put
a rehydration. would not do that, okay? He would
not do that. There's a reason he wouldn't do
that, okay? So there's a reason why he wants
this on someone. There's a reason why he wouldn't
do it to himself. Okay. Be honest. That's all.
Just be honest. Uh -oh, bro. The problem with
you, man, you... You're very biased, Ezra. How?
How? How am I biased? What I just said. If there's
a category, I'm fine with it. How am I biased?
I'm just curious. Listen to the language that
you use. Oh, even tank. Because it would happen.
Okay, this is the stupidest thing. This is the
stupidest thing in the world. The first thing
you said when we started discussing it, oh, we
know Tank is going to put this clause and this
clause and this clause and this clause. Of course.
No, no. We do have a guest being added to the
show. He has named himself Ezra's biggest fan,
and I would like to let him speak now. I'm just
saying Ezra's biggest fan, that's all. I just
think he's a very handsome man. I'm here to support.
That's all. Every week, I've got to deal with
this. First of all, I want to salute Matt for,
I don't know what the format of the show is,
but I love that Ty comes on every week because
I really love Ty's perspective. I really, really
do. And I think it's absolutely necessary. So
salute to you guys. I got sent the link once
and joined ever since. Yeah, I mean, salute,
because it's different opinions. And I enjoy
Ezra's opinions as well. Ezra, you're wrong about
the Devin thing. There have been significant
talks. Stop trying to already, because you're
kind of showing your bias, whether you want to
admit it or not. I will not admit it. Let me
finish. All right. You have hours to talk and
you love doing it. Stop already trying to discredit
or say, well, this or that or this or that. If
it does happen, which I think is a long shot.
But if it does happen, it's because both sides
have agreed. But make no mistake about it, that's
the fight that Tank wants. Okay, all right. And
I'll leave with this too, with regards to what
you're saying about weight cutting, this and
that, you're a little off there too. So, look,
it's up to the two fighters. I don't know if
it happens, but like I said, I think it's a long
shot just simply because of the timeline. Not
necessarily any stipulations or financial, despite
what's going on on social media. I just think
the timeline may be an issue, but yeah, shut
it. All right, I'm just going to say one thing.
Maybe he can go off the fight, but I think he
wants it under certain stipulations. I'm sure
both sides want it under certain stipulations.
You keep pretending as if one guy's doing all
the heavy lifting, which is just not true. I
mean, just not true. The guy's waiting at 133
for his past two or three fights. He could easily
make 130, quite frankly. He's about 5 '6", 5
'7", 5 '5". I don't know. So stop acting as if
it's just one person that has to make all the
sacrifices. Well, here's the thing, right? Here's
the thing. I said, if they go to 144, I'm okay
with it. If they go 143, I'm okay with it. I'm
okay with it. So the reason why - And respectfully,
what you're okay with really doesn't matter.
It's what the two fighters are okay with. But
at the end of the day, it's what the two fighters
are agreeable to doing. You're speaking as if
you know their minds. You already have a foregone
conclusion. You kind of told on yourself when
you were like, even tank. No, because the reason
I said that is because you guys, Matt. Who are
you guys? Matt. Mike are choosing to say that
I'm biased towards Tank. When I'm not - You're
definitely biased. It showed. You kind of showed
your hand there a little bit. No, no, because
what I'm saying is I don't like to catch weight.
And I'm sorry, I don't like the rehydration clause.
And Tank has done rehydration clause before.
Everyone's done rehydration clauses. Manny Pacquiao's
entire prime was nothing but rehydration clause.
Were you following the sport then? Do you actually
discredit any of his wins? Do you know how many
rehydration classes have taken place that you
never knew about? No. I hear you spot a lot of
things, talk about a lot of fights, and I just
chuckle because a lot of these fights had catch
weights and rehydration classes. Oscar De La
Hoya had a bunch of rehydration classes. Stop
it. And what we've learned, right? And you know
what, Matt? Write the article. Just write an
article on the history of rehydration causes
and the results of them. Because I guarantee
- You write that article. Hold on, hold on. You
write that article. I guarantee the guy coming
down - I guarantee you, you don't know 60 to
70 % of the fights that had rehydration cause.
I promise you you don't know. I guarantee the
rehydration cause of the guy that came down and
it affected more, lost the majority of those
fights. I would guarantee it. And it is a huge
disadvantage. And we learned that - Ezra, you
can't make an argument based on that. Unless
you've done the research and said that, hold
on. Unless you've actually done the research
and can say that, kill that conversation until
you've actually done that. Dude, you have not
done any research on it. I promise you, you don't
even know most of the fights that actually had
clauses in it. So kill it, just stop. When you
watch the fight, the rehydration clause, it's
obvious. When you watch the fight, as if you
know most of the fights that had rehydration
clauses, you do not know. Therefore, you cannot
make that argument. You could definitely make
the argument just by watching the performance.
No, you can't. You could definitely make the
argument just by watching the performance and
watching the guy be a shell of himself in the
ring. You definitely can make the argument. Ezra,
you don't know which fights. Ezra, you do not,
like I said, I promise you do not know 60 to
70 % of the fights that have had those kind of
clauses. Probably more. I'm being generous towards
you. Ezra. But you don't even know what goes
into a bad performance though, Ezra. Ezra, I
value your opinion, but what you're saying right
now is based in nothing. You do not have, it
is steeped in nothing. You have not done the
research. You have not done the homework. You
sound like a guy sitting in his car next to a
post office. I am that. Exactly. But here's the
thing though, right? So we can say that, right?
But we can say it the other way too. So what
are you guys basing it on? Do you say it doesn't
really have an effect? I'm not basing it on anything
because honestly, we don't even know what the
terms would be. It almost sounds like you want
to kill the credit before it even happens. So
like I said, ultimately, it's up to the two fighters.
And once they go forward with it, that's that.
Okay, but here's the thing. Hold on. Hold on
one second. Let me just say this one thing. The
reason why... I'm saying this now because I don't
like when people change their opinion or not
clear on where they stand before something happens.
I want to make it clear where I stand. No, but
you're adding, I mean, the thing is that you
- Yeah, but you're assuming something that you
don't know. What if there is one, it has no effect
at all, and someone gets knocked out? Would it
be because of that, just because you assumed
that prior? I think that we have, I think we've
seen enough fights. No, no, you have not seen
enough fights. You have not, my friend. To know
that the rehydration clause really affects the
fight. Ezra, Ezra, Ezra. Where do you rank Manny
Pacquiao, Ezra? I assume he's not an all -time
great. He's an all -time great, but you know
what? How is he? Let's go back. How is he? His
whole run from 40 to 54 was nothing but rehydrations
and catch rates. Then let's go back and rethink
all this. Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, even Eric
Morales had a rehydration clause. Now that we
know where we're at in boxing, what the rehydration
clause does, let's go back. No, no, no, no. Why
is it that now we know? Because you say so? Just
like a steroid era of baseball. When we say,
okay, now we know this. Dude, you sound crazy,
Ezra. Ezra, how about this? This is a huge, it
takes away something from - Hold on, Ezra, how
about this? It's a ridiculous argument. Ezra,
these kind of clauses have been going on for
30, 40 years. They're fine, they could be going
on for a long time, don't mean they're right
now. You're right, it doesn't mean it's right,
but it also doesn't mean that it has this effect
or that effect. You have not done that research.
I hate even having this argument because - Like
I said, nothing has been agreed to, so I don't
want to make it seem like that. But you have
not done the research to be able to speak on
it. Okay, so I don't think any of us have done
the research. Ezra, is that your wife screaming
at you to get out the car or something? What
happened? That's Matt's background noise. Ezra's
got groceries in the car that he hasn't taken.
Here's what I want you to do, Ezra. No, no, no.
Listen, calm down. Here's what I want you to
do. I know you feel attacked because KB came
over here and swept you around. Your voice went
high. Your voice went high. I don't think it's
frenetic in a while. No, no, no. I don't want
it to happen here. I don't want it to happen
here. Matt gets very excited when KB's here.
And he decides to be an illegal tag partner,
and he's not following the rules. No, that's
what I'm talking about. I'm not his biggest fan.
Don't you see my name at the bottom? So what
I have to do is make sure I control the situation
that's happening. Wait, why do you have to control
the situation? But I don't want to have a conversation
with Matt hitting me in the back while it's happening.
Yeah, fair enough, fair enough. We're not doing
a tag team. I just wanted to add, truthfully,
the whole rehydration thing is something totally
separate. Like I said, that's a totally separate
debate. And I don't have a leg to stand on with
that because I haven't done enough research.
I don't think anyone on this call has done enough
research to know what is or what isn't. You really
- There's so many different factors that go into
why a fighter wins or loses. And secondly, I
don't want it to make it seem as if this is something
that's being discussed and that's a holdup or
this or that. I'm not saying any of those two
things. What I just wanted to point out to you
is you had made a comment, which was also steeped
in bias, like, the talks weren't real, the talks
were fake. You said it last week, you said it
this week. And so what I wanted to tell you is
you're wrong. Okay, I'll accept that. I don't
know any more information. I would think you
have better information than me, 100 % on that.
So if you say that, I accept it, and I say, okay,
I was wrong on that. Now, what I feel like I
might be right about, but we don't know yet.
We'll see if it ever gets made over the line,
is that they're going to put a rehydration pump.
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Matt, you wanted me to
do something. I'm ready to listen. Here's what
I want you to do, Ezra. All right. You have until...
I don't like a deadline. I don't like a deadline.
You have until 2027. Okay, I don't like a deadline.
Go ahead. All right, I would like you to research
as many fights as you can that had rehydration
clauses. We want to know who put the rehydration
clause and how did it affect the fight? If the
guy who put it won or if the guy who had the
rehydration clause put on him won. Okay, I will
do that. I would do that, yes, because I have
a feeling I know what the outcomes are going
to be. Now, I want to ask you this, right? Just
let me ask you this. Do you think the rehydration
clause have an effect on the fight? I don't know,
because I think a lot - Here's what I think.
Here's what I think. I say no. I'll say this.
I'll say this. I think it depends on the fighter.
And I also think what also depends on a fighter
is if you're being told to go up 10, 15 pounds
also. Well, I mean, here's the thing though,
right? Are you being told or do you want a fight?
Like, are you going to make that decision? Because
I don't think, here's the thing, I don't think
anyone's forcing your hand to go up. You go up,
you go up. I mean, that is right, that's a career
move and decision. Same thing with rehydration,
right? No one's forcing your hand. Exactly. So
what do you say? Exactly. But a rehydration clause,
right? No one's forcing your hand to do it. It's
the same thing. It's an advantage I think you
put on someone. No, Ezra, Ezra, Ezra. You started
your whole conversation with no one is telling
you to do something, but then you're saying about
the rehydration. No one is telling anyone to
do that either. It's the same thing. Just let
it go, my friend. One thing, one key thing. The
guy that usually is able to put rehydration calls
on someone is the guy that is the massive A -side,
the massive star of the fight. No, you know what?
That's not true. You can also argue that there
have been A -sides who are in that exact opposite
position. I mean, it works both ways, right?
And so to me, a lot of people say, a lot of people,
the point I'm making with respect to that is
that it's not easy for everyone to move up either.
Not everyone is Manny Pacquiao. And so when Manny
Pacquiao moves up to 140, Manny Pacquiao moves
up to 47, Manny Pacquiao moves up to 54. He may
need like, hey, I need this stipulation. Now,
did Manny Pacquiao kick your ass because of that
stipulation? Or was Manny Pacquiao just better
than you? You know what? It's hard to say. Right,
you really can't. And then it's also a factor
in the fact that Manny Pacquiao is the one moving
up. Right? He's taking a risk, too. He's getting
hit in the face by a guy who's way, way bigger
than him. Yeah, he's choosing to come up in the
weight classes, though. Yeah, and you're choosing
to fight him under a rehydration clause. They
both choose. No one's got a gun to their ass.
Exactly. That's what it is. I don't think I have
an issue with the argument KB's making. To me,
I think with the rehydration clause and the people
instituting them when they're moving up is if
you think you're better than someone, you should
be able to beat them at the full weight. That's
my take on it. Yeah, I agree with that, but it's
also about, at the end of the day, it's also
about trying to make a fight, right? That's when
it comes down. Yeah, at the end of the day, it's
about trying to make a fight because sometimes
it's - Everyone, when he sits at the table, looks
to see what they can get that makes sense for
them. Both parties, right? No, no, in the ring
as well. That's why I pointed out, I said, if
you knew the number of fights, no one's ever,
ever taken Pernell Whitaker to task for forcing
Julio Cesar Chavez. I use forcing, for forcing
Julio Cesar Chavez essentially to move up beyond
his weight to make the fight. You know, if Bernard
Hopkins, who looked like a damn skeleton against
Oscar De La Hoya, if Oscar De La Hoya had stopped
Bernard Hopkins, do you think folks would have
said it's because Bernard Hopkins was forced
to fight at a 156 catch rate with a rehydration
clause? No. So the bottom line, but that's not
what happened. Bernard Hopkins stopped him, right?
Yep. With all of those clauses. So there's so
many different - You know what? There's so many
different - Wait, wait, wait, can I say, can
I say? I wasn't done, but sure, go ahead. Even
more credit to Bernard Hopkins for that win.
No, it's not even more. You never said even more
credit until just today. I mean, be honest. You
haven't. You weren't like, wow, I give him more
credit for beating Oscar because he had to do
this. You never said that before. Yeah, but that's
my point. So don't talk about it. You don't know
about it. What you're saying is, oh, you know
about it now, but you didn't know about then,
so we can't judge it. No, no, no, no, no. Now
that just makes you rethink everything you saw.
No, that should make you rethink everything you
saw because what I'm saying is that your assumption
about rehydration clauses is not right because
you have not done any research. You don't know
whether it affects or not. I mean, I don't even
want to get bogged down in this because like
I said, I've not heard it's a stipulation that's
killing anything. But the thing is that one,
two parties agree. That's one. And once the two
parties agree, whatever happens, happens. Now,
we of course on the outside can say, okay, yeah,
this weight was too big for him, this and that,
etc, etc. But for you to make a definitive statement
like that, you started off, please look at it
from my perspective, Ezra. You started off by
saying that the negotiations weren't even real
and basically saying that Tank is effing around.
And then you go off by saying, well, if it happens.
It's going to be this and that, this and that,
this and that, and basically he's not going to
get credit. And then Matt kind of forcing you
like, hey, I might even give Tank credit. I mean,
you said something to that effect. So what I'm
saying to you is that you are showing through
this entire process your bias. Do you get what
I'm saying? I know you want to admit it. I know
you want to admit it, but you're showing your
bias through step by step by step. So even when
I point out to you, actually, the conversations
are real. You're like, okay, fine, I admit that.
But if it happens, it's like, dude, step back.
You see, that's the thing, is that what I don't
like is when people talk about boxing, right?
They talk about boxing. They always don't cover
what it could possibly be so they'd have a definitive
opinion. I want to have a definitive opinion.
So in case this happens, I can't go back and
say - But Ezra, look behind you. No, no, no,
but what I'm - Look behind you, Ezra, behind
you. Behind you. I'm going to just ignore that.
Just don't distract. You see Matt playing illegal
tag partner. So here we go. Here we go. I want
a definitive statement. So I cannot go back.
This is where I stand. I can't hear a thing else
you're saying. Is my mic messed up? No, you're
just talking nonsense. Okay. A bunch of who shot
John. Hold on. I want a definitive statement
of where I stand under any conditions of what
the fight could be made. There's not me going
backwards. I make it definitive. Now, listen,
I haven't done a lot of research on people drunk
driving, but I happen to know I think it's a
bad idea. It seems like a lot of disasters happen
by it. I've never done the research on it. I
never did a study on it. I couldn't give you
the percentages of it, but I kind of know it's
kind of a bad thing. When I watch these guys
in rehydration classes over and over again, the
guy's not the same fighter. He's not 100%. He
definitely is decreased as a fighter. There's
no way, and if you could say, oh, it has no effect
on the fight, I think that's absolutely insanity
to say. There's just no way to say that. Now,
if you say, I don't know what it is, okay, that's
fine, but I think we have eyeballs and we watch
the fights, and when it happens, it happens.
Now, when you say, okay, that's just to make
a fight happen, You've got to make these fights
happen, whatever. But we know that it's usually
not just to make a fight happen, but it's to
get a payday that you would not usually get.
You have to make these things happen because
that payday is not coming from anywhere else.
And the guy that holds that payday has the advantages
and negotiations to put a rehydration clause
on someone. I don't necessarily think that's
fair. I don't necessarily think that's right.
And I think that's an unfair advantage. Can we
get somebody to use the comments now? No, no,
no, don't interrupt me because I'm making points.
I said, can we get somebody to use the comments
now? Okay. This is what, this is exactly. So
the reason why I'm going to talk over you, the
reason why I'm going to talk over you is because
what we're going to do is, we couldn't even make
his point. I covered every base that was covered
and I covered it clearly. You made your point.
A whole bunch of who shot John. And I understand
that your tag team partner still doesn't need
to defend you because you got stomped out. So
let's move to the user comments. Let's move to
the user comments. It ain't going to happen today,
my friend. It ain't going to happen today. Let's
move to the user comments, okay? Let's move to
the user comments. This guy, this guy, Sibby.
This guy, Sibby. This fucking guy, Sibby. Hey,
I just wanted to add one more thing. Can you
hear me, Huey? Yes. Yeah. Yep, I can hear you.
Can you not hear us? I don't think he can hear
us. Can you hear us? Oh man, he's typing away
furiously over there. Yeah, he just can't hear
us. Yeah, I think he can't hear us. What I would
do, I would remove his mic just because he can't
hear us. I don't want him to say anything. Here's
this guy, Sid B. Oh, that's why, because they
feel he attacked Ting. Shut the fuck up. What
are you talking about, bro? What are you talking
about, bro? See, here's the thing. You can't
poo -poo something every step of the way and
then claim that you're not biased. What do you
mean, though? I'm just curious, what do you mean
though? Just give me examples. What you just
did now, but Ezra, it's all good. I don't want
you to feel like I wasn't trying to attack you
in any way. No, no, no. Yeah, but I did want
to address something because I am your biggest
fan. And there's also - There's also someone
in the comments who's also my biggest fan. I'm
looking, it's Brick Squad. Every time I join,
he's always talking about me. It's weird because
I don't know who this guy is. It's impressive.
I wish I thought about you as much as you thought
about me. But to address you. About how we can't
afford to put on fights any longer and so forth
and so forth. You're absolutely right. Everyone,
I guess, who joins can't put on fights any longer.
So I guess that would make PBC the fourth company
who can't afford to put on fights any longer.
Please try coming with something logical next
time you want to say something. I want to make
it clear. I enjoy my conversations with KP. I
don't enjoy my conversations with Matt. That's
the part that I want to make clear about this.
Me and KB can talk boxing all day. Me and Matt,
did I have an issue with? Oh, that's clearly
evident. Yes, definitely. Anyway. Which of these
comments did you want to address? I wanted to
address Sibi, because Sibi has been pissing me
off. Yeah, yeah. I don't say someone's biased
when they disagree with me. I don't care whether
or not you agree or disagree with me. What I
care about is the process of how you reach your
conclusion, okay? Ezra's process was the talks
are not real. Even from Devin Haney's side, he
said he was contacted. So don't say the talks
are not real. And then after he said the talks
are not real, well, we already know this is going
to happen. This is going to happen. Ezra thinks
that he's fucking B -Rabbit. Okay, in eight mile.
And he's going to predict everything that's going
to happen, everything you're going to say, and
then that's it, and he's right. And then he bases
his whole opinion off of stuff that did not happen,
but stuff that he takes as fact because he said
he thinks this is going to happen. You cannot
do that. Well, I mean, everything, listen, I
want to make it clear. I made this clear pretty
much. I have no insight sources at all. I have
none. So everything I'm doing is me projecting
on just what I'm seeing just as much as what
everybody else is seeing. But Ezra, it seems
like you projected one way from beginning all
the way. And so when you do that, when you do
that, when it's like, you said it last week,
actually, you were like, this is not real. This
is not happening. And then today, you made that
comment again. And then you go from there to
you're adding caveats to if it is real. In that
case, it's this, it's that, it's this and that.
So I think that's where, which is fine, we're
boxing fans. Obviously, we all have, to me, I
get it, because we all have different opinions.
We form and shape our opinions on fighters, on
fights, etc., etc. That's what we do as fight
fans. And it's okay to admit it, you know what
I mean? I think what you guys are taking on is
that I don't like Tink or not - No, I didn't
say that. I didn't say that, you don't even know
him. I don't know him, nothing about him. What
I am saying, right, and just like I'm fair with
anyone else, to me, David Haney, I said, he'll
fight anyone, he'll get with anyone. Then I said,
you know what, he's Dr. Rolly Romero. And I've
been consistent with that. I said, you know what,
because the way he moved and everything in the
fight, he should have took a fight that to me
was a really great opportunity that I didn't
think was going to come. I said, you know what,
that's a great thing. And if he had that offer,
he should have took it, right? I think he ducked
him. So I have my opinions based on how I feel
like you're moving. Now with Tank, I don't feel
like he's the most guy that I could trust to
fill a schedule consistently. I don't feel that
way. And also, I don't feel like Tank has been
the most eager guy to move up and wait to fight
things. Now, he has been in 140, but I always
felt like he felt that I don't want to go to
140. These guys just started moving up. They
were all the same weight for a long time. And
I think that we've had this conversation before,
but I think that I find it interesting. I think
it's unique in the sport of boxing when you look
at, and I think Huey and I had this conversation
in Vegas at some point. When you look at, All
the previous A -sides, right? Like Canelo, when
Canelo first announced that he was going to the
zone, you kind of saw like a migration of super
middleweights moving over the zone and trying
to get fights with Canelo because he's such a
huge star. He is that A -side. Oscar De La Hoya,
the exact same thing. Floyd Mayweather, I mean,
Felix Trinidad moved from Showtime to HBO. Floyd
Mayweather, the exact same thing. Everyone came
over. To that side, Miguel Cotto left top rank
to fight Floyd Mayweather. But I think in this
era, in the social media era, and what we're
seeing with Tank for some reason is that fighters
can scream, we want the biggest name. And then
do the exact opposite of what everyone else does
when they want the biggest names. And then somehow,
it's the biggest name that is doing the ducking.
or that is doing the avoiding. It's the weirdest
thing in the world. Someone would be like, I
definitely want that fight. Watch me do my best
to make that fight as difficult as possible to
make. And for some reason, they don't get taken
a task for it. So there are a lot of different
factors, a lot of different things that we see
that maybe the general public doesn't. I want
to say this. I'm not accusing Tank of ducking,
that's for sure. I'm not accusing him of ducking.
Haney's not even in his weight class. So I would
never say, oh, Tank has to go fight David Haney.
I don't feel that way. But I do feel that if
it was to happen and they were going to happen,
there would be certain terms on it. That's what
I feel. That's not a fact. That's not anything.
We would have to see if that plays out that way.
I'm not accusing Tank of ducking. I wouldn't
be surprised. They're two divisions apart. I
would assume there probably would be. I would
assume that too. Yeah, I don't think it negates
anything at all. I hope it happens. I think that
the sport is so fragmented, and particularly
in those weight classes that attended a lot of
things. Folks are arguing, not just about him,
but they're arguing about all of those matchups
and the difficulty. In making those matchups,
we're seeing it now with all of those guys. And
it's because of the fragmentation. So I think
they all are dealing with that. Right now, it's
unfortunate. Another thing where when Shakur
and Haney were talking to me, it was the same
thing on the rehydration clause in that fight
as well. I said it cannot have a rehydration
clause. I won't give Shakur full credit if it
has a rehydration clause. And I thought that
fight could, if it could happen to catch weight,
I'm fine with that. A lot of people don't even
like the catch weight part of it. I'm okay with
that. If that takes to make a fight, I think
that there's, I think that the weights are determined.
Here's the thing, Ezra. Here's the thing, right?
To me, maybe this is just me. Once you agree
to a certain set of terms, I don't give a shit
about anything else. Stuff in the ring, whatever
happens, happens. No, because you, and this is
a stupid, it's an extreme example. But like I
said, you could tell a guy, put an arm behind
your back and tie it. You know what I mean? I
agree to it. Yeah, no, but the thing is. No,
that is an extreme example because it's not real,
and that's not boxing. But that's the logic,
though. No, no, it's not the logic. Do something
that relates to boxing. That's like, I could
then say, okay, someone could put on a baseball
glove. I mean, let's talk boxing here, right?
I personally feel that it's that big an advantage,
me personally. I feel that we are not getting
the same fighter in the same level. Yeah, I agree.
I agree, especially a 5 '5", 5 '6", guy going
up 15 pounds. I'd agree. Definitely not going
to see him at the same level. Okay, but so here's
the thing, though, right? And this is the same
thing. Kell Brook, right, he went up to fight
Golovkin, right? He went up in weight. Now, Kell
Brook, I think, was a very good fighter. I don't
give Golovkin all the credit in the world for
beating up Kell Brook because Kell Brook went
up in weight. So I see it from your side of the
thing, right? But Kell Brook went up and chose
to do that. But it's not like Triple G gets the
full credit of beating Kell Brook, who chose
to jump all those weight classes, because that
is what it is. The same thing when Canelo fought
Crawford. If Canelo would have beat Crawford,
I would have been like, no, Crawford's a smaller
fighter. No, he's a very, very extremely talented
fighter, but he's a smaller fighter. The reason
why Crawford gets so much credit is because he
did make that jump and everything. I get what
you're saying, but I think - I get what you're
saying, but I think the reality is, and the great
thing about boxing is that you really don't know
until you see the fight. And then you can sort
of see what's what and why this is happening
and so forth. For instance, we talked about Chavez
versus Whitaker, which was at a catch rate of
145. That was significantly more advantageous
to Whitaker, right, than it was to Chavez. But
we watched the fight and you knew right away,
he's not beating this guy's ass. because he's
significantly bigger than him. In fact, Chavez
looked just as strong. He's beating his ass because
he's significantly better than him. So I think
in boxing, you kind of have to see what happens
that fight night. So that's why I get what you
were saying when you were like, don't switch
after the fight. You know what I mean? Yeah,
I'm stating my case now. But yeah, in boxing,
you kind of have to wait and see it. And just
to address my biggest fan one more time, talking
about I have a love affair. You have a love affair
with me, bro. You have a love affair with me.
You keep talking about me, I don't even know
you. This is what I love about New Yorkers. I
don't even know you. I don't even know you. KB
is making the same mistake that I used to. I
used to peek at the comments while I'm talking,
and I'll just be seated. I'll be honest with
you, Matt. He literally every week, even when
I'm not in the space or talking, literally every
week he says something. So I appreciate it because
it means I'm doing something right. You know
what I mean? I get it. And let's not pretend
like Devin Haney is going to die if he can't
rehydrate to 170 pounds. Like, come on, man.
Ezra, has your bias against Tank changed now
that you know that that was a real conversation
and they weren't trying to make it happen? I
never had a bias towards Tank. I want to be fair
with you. Ezra, we know what we have biased against,
Ezra. We've been in the bases. Here's the one
thing about me. If someone gives me information
that's different from what I have, and I feel
like that they have credible information, I will
say, hey, I was wrong. That is happening. That's
not true. That's not true. But that's what makes
Ezra so great. The reason why I'm disappointed
whenever Ezra's not on the show is because you
know where he stands, what his stance is, and
it's not going to change. He's going to stand
strong on it, whether it's right. Or if it's
wrong. You're 100 % right about it. And it's
usually right. Now, the thing where you guys
did not sway me is where I feel about a catchphrase.
And what I feel like would take to make that
fight happen. Well, you didn't answer my question.
Did it change your bias knowing that he does
want that smoke? He does want the top fighters.
I think that he wants that fight under a certain
term. That's what I feel. Now, whether you guys
care about those terms, that's the opinion of
the person watching. No, I think, I mean, to
make a statement like that, I think all fighters
want fights under terms. Yeah, I think every
fighter wants fights under terms. I don't mind
if you want it in your hometown. I don't mind
if you - No, I mean, you just watch the court.
Devin go back and forth about that. I mean, the
reality is everyone wants certain terms. You
sit at the table, you figure out what's best
for both sides. There's a give and take, and
you make it happen. And where I personally stand
- is I don't like catchphrases, no matter who
does it. I don't like it. If you put a catchphrase
in someone, I will not give you full credit on
that. I hope you're not giving Manny Pacquiao
full credit for - No, no, no, but there's a thing,
but here's the thing, right? I'm going to go
back and I'm going to find - I'm going to go
back and find every Pacquiao fight that had a
rehydration clause. And if that's in all the
upper weight classes, then I have to look at
his career completely different. It started with
the Morales fight. That is not on the same level
that someone else is doing it. Because I don't
think Floyd was putting rehydration clause on
147 fighters. I don't think he was. No, Floyd
was the quintessential 147 pounder. Exactly.
He fought at 47 for a long time. He also took
two years to get himself right. Yeah, but you
know who Pacquiao didn't put a rehydration clause
on? Who's that? The late, great Ricky Hatton.
And it was an honor for Pacquiao to share the
ring with him. It was the greatest tweet of the
year, by the way. It was insane. I think that
was a great tweet. I think people are too sensitive.
And remember one thing, to the victor goes the
spoils. I just want you to know that. Yeah, absolutely.
Knocked me out cold. I would not put any shame
on them. But every time it was something to do
with me, they put that tweet out. Not in that
post. They earned it. Hey, he said it was a great
honor to share the ring with you, however briefly
it was. Did he actually say that? Yeah. No, he
didn't say that. He tweeted it. Wait, can you
tell me verbatim what he said? Yeah, I don't
know if that's the second part. I think Matt
made up the second part. Okay, Matt. Yeah. That
would have been a great tweet though, right?
Every clip it was of him knocking down Hadid.
Every punch landed was the one him knocking down
Hadid. Like Hadid went down on the ground. Wait,
did he show the highlights of the tweet too?
Yes, there was a video with it. Is this a real
thing? Hold on a second. Yeah, it was him being
the hell out of Hadid. Every part of it. Wow.
What a great tweet. He might have deleted that.
Hey, I'll tell you this. If Ezra dies, I'm going
to make a tweet with all the highlights of me
roasting him on Brunch Boxing and say, how was
I honored to share the mic with this guy? It'll
be a three -second video. Brick Squad, yes, I
read the rest of your comment. I mean, I don't
know what you want me to say. You're talking
about a love affair, but again, I don't know
you. I think you have a love affair with me and
I appreciate it. I want you to watch everything
I do. Listen to every word I say. What did Carl
Farge say? Come on, whisper it in my ear. Everything,
everything that I possibly do, you keep reading
it. And I'll try to read yours too. The difference
is I don't know your name and I don't really
care. Since we have you here, can you give us
any other insights on the PBC DAZN? No, I think
it's going to be great. I mean, I think for both
sides. And so that was a great question Matt
asked earlier. And that was a great answer. I
mean, you said you think obviously that it's
of greater benefit to us because of the amount
of dates. So I understand why you're saying that,
because I agree in terms of definitely gives
more opportunities for the fighters and more
dates, as you can see. And I think there are
a lot of things that are in the works. I'm excited.
I also think on our side that we have a very
experienced team. We, in this country, have put
on the biggest events, the biggest, since PBC's
inception. So I think bringing that expertise,
bringing that experience along with the roster
that we have, it's a win -win for fight fans.
And I think what we have to think about and what
we're always thinking about is how can we grow
the sport? How can we take this and go to sport?
I love the TNT angle. And so I think it's going
to be good. I'm excited. Okay, now you don't
have to give us anything on this one. But please,
I'm just sending this out here. Let's get David
a heavyweight. Let's get David Benavidez a heavyweight.
I've heard you for weeks saying this. I'm pretty
money at this point. Please, get David a heavyweight.
Let's make it happen. He could fight tomato cans.
It will not matter. Let me tell you something
coming from my community. It would not matter
at all. We would be 100 % sold off. Wait, are
you the spokesman for the community? I don't
know. Someone has to be, I gotta tell you. And
I'm looking at our representatives and I'm like,
you know what? I might have to take the mantle
here. My God. You know what? Anything can happen
just because that's a guy who. When you're trying
to make fights, no one's really in a rush to
fight. It's actually hilarious the way these
guys don't want to fight over it. I broke my
leg. I'll be back in six months to fight someone
else. It's insane watching what these guys are
doing. So he may not have a choice. And I tell
you what, I put my money up against anyone. Anyone.
That's a bad, bad man. I laid out the plan for
you guys. Let's get a can. We'll get a can. He'll
destroy the can of heavyweight, and then let's
get Andy Ruiz. Let's get Andy Ruiz, and I think
that's a massive fight. Let's put it at Dodger
Stadium, and I promise you that there will be
beers, a drunk, and there will be people excited.
Please, let's get out there. Terrible parking
out there, KB. Do not do it out there. Yeah,
it's terrible parking. I mean, you know, Ezra
the analyst I love, the matchmaker, not so much.
Oh, that's a great matchmaker. Yeah, he's a terrible
matchmaker. Don't tell him that. Listen, there
will be fights inside the ring, and there will
be a bunch of fights outside the ring if that
happens. Matt, it's about to be 1 .30 on the
East Coast. We've been going for two hours and
15 minutes. Send the people home. I don't even
think I could park in this spot more than two
hours. Damn. We ready to go already? So much
more to talk about. We need to get through the
rest of the roster. Because there's a very interesting
name on here that I did not know was with PBC.
And I'm talking about the fool of the week, Hy
-Vee Munguia. The one of the week? The fool of
the week. Why is he the fool of the week? Oh,
man, you missed my segment. You missed my segment.
Yeah, KB, please, you'll appreciate it if we
don't touch on this. Let's just move past that
part and talk about his career. All I'm going
to say is the man went to Hong Kong and it wasn't
in China. I mean, no comment. Yeah. No comment.
But yeah, I mean, and granted, it's hard for
us to keep up with the roster, but go to the
PBC website. It's been there for a minute. Yeah,
because it's very interesting to me that you
guys have low -key signed some very interesting
names that - There was no huge fanfare, but they're
on the roster. I'm curious about these guys.
I think in the entire span I've been here, I've
seen announcements for fightings once, and that
was Canelo. For fighters, signing fighters, I
think that was once. We've never really been
one. Which was the other one? The other one,
Abel Mendoza. Actually, I'm not quite sure that's
legit. Yeah. Hey, Tom. Oh, did he? Okay. Yeah,
it is. It's legit. I haven't seen him fight,
so I don't know. I'm trying to figure out if
he's real or not. You're not the only one that
hasn't seen him fight. You're not missing much.
You're not missing much. Like he said, let's
wrap this thing up. We clearly don't have anything
else to talk about. Like he said, let's wrap
this thing up. End of show. Here we just want
to go watch soccer, so we'll let him go. All
right. First of all, thanks to KB for popping
in. It's hot as hell in the studio, man. Thanks
to KB for popping in. Thanks to JBZ, the boxers,
for popping in. And of course, Ty, Keep It 100
Boxers. Love you, Ty. I appreciate your opinions.
And all you guys, because I tune in every freaking
Saturday. Now we just got to make us the official
pockets of PBC and we're going to really get
this going. I mean, just three rounds sparring
with Tank and then we'll think about it. You
have no idea how desperate I am for this to work.
I might take you up on that offer. I don't care
what beating I take. I've taken beatings before.
We'll take another one to get on top. This has
been another edition of Bunch Boxing. He's our
COO, the Mexican Alhambra Mike. He is our producer,
Huey P. He is our host, Ezra Boxen. I am Matt.
We are Brush Boxen. And we are out.