1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,760 Last week we delved into the Colorado Swarm Lights episode. If you recall it was 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:17,360 back in 2019 when what is said to be something like a group of drones or 3 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:23,960 really floating hovering lights east of the Denver metro area and prominently 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:32,360 over a small rural county called Washington County. We got into the 5 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:38,920 facts last week into the when and where of it all but this week I'd like to 6 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:44,840 share my own thoughts my impressions in a little bit about who I am and why I'm 7 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:50,880 interested in these subjects and starting this podcast and sharing it with 8 00:00:50,880 --> 00:01:00,520 you. My name is Robert Cavalier and for almost a decade maybe more I've been at 9 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:07,840 first casually looking into different esoteric subjects. I'm a writer so many 10 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:13,440 of these things interest me in a research kind of way in a detached kind of 11 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,840 way but as I got into it a bit more as I got into the weeds as they say I 12 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:26,200 discovered there was just much more beyond what meets the eye beyond just 13 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:34,440 storytelling beyond just stories of interest and as I really got more 14 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:42,240 involved and more into I guess the nexus of it all it became one of those 15 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:49,440 situations where you're not expecting to discover more and more and the more you 16 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:56,000 think you find out the more there is beyond that's an indelible element 17 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,800 about all of this if you're interested in this these kinds of subjects you'll 18 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:09,360 understand and recognize what I'm talking about. So as I said last week I 19 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:18,120 got into a bit of the details of it all and it's a small subject really in the 20 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,560 spectrum of all the weird things that happen in this state and all over the 21 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:32,200 country, really, but it's important because it mirrors so much of the pattern 22 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:38,280 of the way that things go with these kinds of things and all the way in 2019 23 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:46,560 and now really 2020s it's a bit strange that after all the available information 24 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:55,600 that we have over the internet, over social media, over many different ways of 25 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:01,880 assessing new data that were still baffled by simple things that just come 26 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,600 out of the out of the woodworks really and in this case actually maybe 27 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:12,680 literally out of the woodworks. So if you did listen to last week's episode the 28 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:20,920 Colorado Swarm Lights were just about 16 to some say even 30 group of mysterious 29 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:30,480 lights that hovered over a rural Colorado and just east of some maybe 20-30 miles 30 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:39,400 of where I live I think. I at that time was deep into a lot of work of my own and 31 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:48,040 very inspiring year actually and that was kind of alerted to it by what the 32 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:53,560 neighbors were talking about just out walking with my dog really and people 33 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:59,440 talking. This is a very grassroots kind of experience where you're not finding 34 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:05,480 out through the news, through an app, through some kind of alert and there 35 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:13,120 really wasn't any alert so that's also strange, you know. We are living in an 36 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:23,120 era of major hacks and disturbing sabotage from outside of our borders 37 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:29,600 here and yet we can be caught unawares. What if these things had been malicious 38 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:35,440 spycraft? What if these things had been launched by a hostile nation? What if 39 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:40,760 these things weren't even from our local neighborhood and really from really 40 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:46,680 out there beyond some kind of UAP as they call them nowadays. I prefer the old 41 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:52,760 term UFOs and the unidentified flying objects which at the time that really 42 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:58,800 was the most apt way to describe them. Well you'd think that with our alert 43 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:05,400 systems, with our radar capabilities and where this all happened because it's an 44 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:10,800 interesting corner where this all happened right around I wouldn't say 45 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,280 it's a triangle but you could almost say it's a triangle because the Cheyenne 46 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:23,040 Air Force area is just maybe 20-40 miles north so really nothing if you fly over 47 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:29,160 at a higher high speed driving maybe take you an hour or less depending on how 48 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:35,440 fast you drive and south of that you've got DIA in one corner you've got this 49 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:44,000 space force, spaceport that is a bit of a strange thing to have here it's a 50 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:51,360 considered a kind of business yet somehow maybe even military involved a 51 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:59,240 project and you've got this metro area with towers and all kinds of 52 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,720 things detecting activity in the air this is not a place that's you know 53 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:11,520 sparsely populated at least east of where these things happened. So getting 54 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:16,520 back to the nature of it all and really how it reflects on where I'm going with 55 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:22,800 this it was not what I would consider eye-opening but in a lot of ways it 56 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:30,600 reminded me of things that I missed just walking about a here or I rather I heard 57 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:36,680 so much later about huge events like the Phoenix lights over Arizona these are 58 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:42,200 major things and I'll get into these things later on in the show in more 59 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:48,720 exclusive and in-depth treatment of it all where I come from where I hail from 60 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:54,280 and and came into Colorado from was the Lubbock area and there you go that you 61 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:57,640 had the famous Lubbock lights I think there were a little bit before my time 62 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:06,520 just a bit but still I kind of thought and this was even back in 2014 when I've 63 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:14,200 explained that this is where I started to sort of I would say shed a bit of that 64 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:19,200 skepticism even though I still do have a healthy skepticism and I'll define this 65 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:24,280 a little bit later and started to think well it's amazing and all these things 66 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:29,920 happened back in the 90s and early 2000s and you could sort of compartmentalize 67 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:36,040 these things as isolated events and yet there's a pattern emerging here and 68 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,600 even with all the time that's passed you know 30 or something years maybe 40 or 69 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:46,280 50 if you're counting from the Lubbock lights and still a response is kind of 70 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:52,040 the same it's actually almost exactly the same you know get into that in a bit so 71 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:58,160 what we're talking about here is how are we the people that live in the cities 72 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:05,800 or in the country affected by it all why are we not told about these things and 73 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:11,080 maybe why are we not pointing the fingers somewhere why are we not knocking on 74 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:39,200 our doors and when we do try to knock on doors who's answering 75 00:08:41,080 --> 00:09:09,080 tonight we're discussing in a bit more of an intimate way in a more 76 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:15,360 conversational way last week we covered the facts we covered what was available 77 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:23,200 about this phenomenon this case file and yet it just kind of still leaves a bit 78 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:30,080 of an aftertaste and I want to deal with that tonight with y'all I want to talk a 79 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:35,960 little bit more about what's available out there why this could be significant 80 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:45,840 and as I said the the this this week's episode really has more to do with my 81 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:51,400 impressions and I'd love to hear what anybody out there is also thinking about 82 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:57,360 this and if you were out there or out here in Colorado during that time what 83 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:04,640 this might have meant to you this is right on the eve of the great epic 84 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:10,040 pandemic whatever you want to call it so it was just kind of a weird time a lot 85 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:15,080 of weird things happening just on the cusp of this what seems to me a new 86 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:21,080 era and I just don't know how else to define it but it just things feel 87 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:29,240 different it's like a demarcation point in some kind of way so what I'd like to 88 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:40,400 do tonight is get a little bit into where the show is going and part one was a 89 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:46,880 little bit more about how a half of an episode will really go like where we're 90 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:52,560 going into the details of things available literature and when I can find 91 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:59,640 them and interviews and things like that different perspectives this time around 92 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,800 there's really not that much to go around I'll try to reach out to the 93 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:10,640 filmmaker of the documentary lights in the sky and we'll see what I hear back 94 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:16,200 and and we'll do kind of a wrap around with this but as far as the show goes 95 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:22,200 the pattern of it you can expect it will be something of a getting right into the 96 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:30,280 facts of what the story is and then this part this movement of what does it leave 97 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:35,640 us with you know just at the experiential level and that's is where where I am 98 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:41,360 even if we're just left scratching our heads we'll be doing it together so the 99 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:47,640 show is going to be available on Apple podcasts first so I'll release usually a 100 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:53,280 few days later sometimes a week later before and then as part of the RSS feed 101 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:59,920 as coming soon everywhere else and just expect to see anything about this on X 102 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:06,120 on SoundCloud I'll make episodes available there as well I'll stay away 103 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:12,440 from YouTube for now because I just don't like the whole Google environment 104 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,320 whole Dominion I'm staying away I know it's impossible to stay completely away 105 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,480 but for now I just would like to be a little bit on this side of the fans of 106 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:26,920 things if later we found out there well we'll just fan out there so one of the 107 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:33,800 things that impacted me about this little story is that it's kind of like a 108 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:40,960 dot in a big line of many dots and it seems really rather random it kind of 109 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,240 almost seems like a big prank if you want to look at it that way a bunch of 110 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:55,160 swarming lights hovering over the horizon just after sundown and people 111 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,320 just experiencing these things and wondering where is this coming from you 112 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:05,280 know they're not consistent with flights they're not an area where you probably 113 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:11,160 would see a lot of flights they're in an area where you wouldn't expect to see 114 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,320 very much except the stars I think so they're very noticeable somebody would 115 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:21,160 have had to set this up and that's my biggest impression not that it would be 116 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:32,040 a classic UFO even though we so use this term kind of incorrectly because I mean 117 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:37,040 by definition a UFO is an unidentified flying object and these were 118 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:43,280 unidentified flying objects and are still such you know the the conclusions 119 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,360 that will reach later of the really not even conclusions but the the surmising 120 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:52,440 of it all by the authorities is that they were who knows what they were that's 121 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:57,040 what they're saying man-made things that were flying illegally you know you need 122 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,960 a permit to fly these things even even nowadays so these things are getting more 123 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:08,080 and more regulated they're expensive if they were drones and I do think that 124 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,960 that's what they were I'm just gonna come out and say why am I holding back 125 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:18,960 that's my impression they were a group of drones controlled by some actor 126 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:24,560 unknown actor for an unknown reason it could be military and if it was military 127 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:29,240 it seems rather strange that they would do it over this flyover area when they 128 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:34,880 have a lot of areas that are no-fly zones that they can easily test things 129 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:40,240 out and nobody will bother them and nobody will you know they might observe 130 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,760 them from a long distance but they can do as they please and that's why they 131 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,080 have them so it's really bizarre that nobody's coming forward and saying who 132 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,360 really owns this and it's a sophisticated thing to do to coordinate so 133 00:14:53,360 --> 00:15:01,440 many so many of these flying objects at one place and at one time you have to 134 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,480 ponder about computing power about coordination about maybe one more than 135 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:12,680 one person acting on this some might think maybe it was something like a UFO or 136 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:18,440 you know something like that but it's just not consistent based on the 137 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:26,200 observations that we have on the ground on that day they are not consistent with 138 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:36,440 prior not only trained up observations of major I would say alien source UFOs and 139 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:45,440 UFOs that we cannot attribute to our own technological capability whatever time 140 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:52,640 now or 40 50 70 years ago but these are not like that they do seem accessible 141 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:58,280 they're hard to they were filmed but they're hard to kind of get a hold of 142 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:05,960 and pain unfortunately the the optics were not such that they could get a very 143 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:13,320 high-grade high definition of what they really consisted of what's running them 144 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:18,600 the engines the the flying compartments the mechanisms any of these things and 145 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:23,960 of course it was night so all the more difficult the night factor is important 146 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:29,000 it's not to be not to be dismissed somebody or something or whoever this 147 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:37,440 thing was spondled over by decided to do it at this time of the of the night why 148 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:42,480 well maybe to have a light show and yet we didn't hear anything but nothing 149 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:49,800 was promoted you leave a lot of people a little bit in in confusion it could 150 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,280 cause distractions on the road even on rural roads a people drive over there 151 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:59,880 they could get into an accident so if anybody was doing this they might not 152 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:05,840 even want to give the heads up to the state patrol or local sheriffs that 153 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:12,400 would have been nice so when you do have something like this that seems a random 154 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:20,040 out of the nowhere kind of action you kind of have the the reflex to 155 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,960 compartmentalize it and that's what we do with our experiences I'm just like you 156 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:30,120 and I do that if I see something weird hear something weird you know you might 157 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:35,080 react to it you might have a knee jerk reaction you mean if it's disturbing or 158 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:40,040 long enough you know the duration is important the the significance of it is 159 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:46,080 is gauged by how much of whatever it is we experience and for how long the 160 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:53,080 nature of it all really but otherwise we kind of just you know go our our way 161 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:59,840 and how many times have you seen the scene in a movie where someone is sort 162 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:06,120 of maybe sleeping or just at rest and they hear something breaking maybe a 163 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:13,920 branch or a rock you know being kicked over and they they sort of are already 164 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,720 maybe an alert in this scene in the movie and and they get in their high 165 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,560 gear and they put their searchlights and then they you know or you turn on the 166 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:27,320 porch lights on and then you you wait a few moments and then that's it you run 167 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,640 out of patience and then you turn everything off and you go back to bed 168 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:37,240 you withdraw you you set it aside it's almost something that's very 169 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,040 characteristic of our nature of our nature of almost any animal you 170 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,520 know you don't keep listening and you should really if you think about it if 171 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:51,600 something's out there lurking it's going to be possibly cognizant enough to hide 172 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:57,920 its movements and if it if it sort of screwed up and might just stop wait 173 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:06,840 patiently and then move slowly again but we don't do that we don't have the the 174 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:15,520 bandwidth for that we just react to present danger and then we move on when 175 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,920 there's enough of these random things though then they're not so random as 176 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,760 what I think then they begin to become part of what I would think is a pattern 177 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:33,760 a pattern starts to emerge and boy do we have so many random or so-called random 178 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:41,760 dots events if you could picture in your mind some kind of canvas with a 179 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:48,680 timeline and a bunch of little dots you would see this region not just Colorado 180 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,560 but it happens to be where I'm hailing from and where I'm speaking to you 181 00:19:53,560 --> 00:20:00,240 from but all over this southwest and mountain west region of course Midwest 182 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:07,280 east all over the place but really this is in a remote area still and and there 183 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:12,040 are so many things that have happened since let's say let's just put a date 184 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:17,520 to it since the 30s to the present I'm not saying that's when it is it actually 185 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,960 probably goes way back and again we're gonna we're gonna get into this in some 186 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:27,600 of the future episodes and how far back to some of these things go could it be 187 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,480 that the Native Americans have roamed this land for 30,000 years or more 188 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:39,440 witnessed aerial phenomena that just could not be explained today either could 189 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,800 it have influenced them it's those are big questions and we'll get into those 190 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:49,400 later it's not for the show but if you could see a timeline in let's say the 191 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,120 30s or even the 1800s but let's just say the 30s say around the time we're really 192 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:58,640 recording we have we don't think we even have the radar of them because the 193 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:04,360 radar came later as an invention from the British during World War II but you 194 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:07,760 know we're still watching we have trained observers we have flight we have 195 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:14,120 balloons we have all kinds of things flying out there and yet we're starting 196 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:21,760 to record meteorological readings we're starting to really pay attention to the 197 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,480 atmosphere in a different way than we had perhaps before just a different style 198 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:35,280 of measuring because we've always watched the sky humanity has it's not not an 199 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:41,760 uncommon thing to not just look it over but really really look it over really 200 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:47,440 be in its presence really be wrapped in it and that's a different a different 201 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:54,960 experience too so many people don't get to experience a lightless sky in other 202 00:21:54,960 --> 00:22:02,320 words a sky that's not disturbed by the noise of street lights and building 203 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:09,000 lights and traffic lights and so on but really just moonlight if there's moonlight 204 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,680 or if it's a moonless night just the stars and nothing else and if you get to 205 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,640 see that in there are still quite a few places and you can find them there's 206 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:23,580 probably websites dedicated to this thing you can find some places here in 207 00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:28,080 Colorado there's a few sections I know that by Wycliffe and there's some some 208 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:35,040 small towns that you know Creston in other areas the little tucked away areas 209 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:43,320 of course very rural areas they get to have this really velvet black sky and 210 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:50,640 if you drive in the desert you know I still remember and one of the nicest 211 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:56,700 memories of driving through the country driving with my close friends from 212 00:22:56,700 --> 00:23:04,600 Vegas to I think to the to the Grand Canyon and through Arizona around 213 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,680 Kingman area another interesting area by the way for many reasons we'll get to 214 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:16,680 that one later but the desert sky oh my goodness the starfield quiet black it's 215 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:25,240 you and it and nothing else so we have been watching for a long time and now in 216 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,560 modern times we watch in different ways we don't watch with our eyes as much 217 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,880 because we have different ways of measuring things and because we live 218 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:39,400 inside we're watching screens all the time and we're we're in and we've got 219 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,600 lights on we've got noise that's distracting us from what's out there and 220 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:48,920 that's a pivotal point there is a reality that's out there right outside your 221 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:54,080 doorstep maybe even just a few steps from wherever you're living if you live in a 222 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:59,120 suburb and maybe there's a trail nearby and lights just there aren't any there's 223 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:03,120 just no street lights and there might be some coyote tracks there there might be 224 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:08,360 some little strange things that you might not see or might not think exist but 225 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:14,320 they pass through a lot of things happen in that liminal stage and that liminal 226 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:26,520 space and time and we again are just trained by our habits to go inside about 227 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:32,400 5 6 p.m. and stay inside and go to bed at 9 turn lights out and there we go and 228 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:40,440 yet we have the notion that we get to experience what it is that is out there 229 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,240 we don't know unless we get out there and I encourage you to do this get out 230 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:51,520 there go camping go for long walks go in the park don't stay inside life is too 231 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:59,680 short experience just breathe see the the moon or hear a few days on the eve of 232 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:08,080 a major eclipse that unfortunately is a bit of a distance from where I am and 233 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:15,040 where that's main path is going to be which is going to be down in Texas not 234 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:21,120 too far away you'd be maybe what how well it is kind of far away be about maybe 235 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:29,880 16 hours 13 hours drive somewhere around there east of abalone north of Austin 236 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,440 somewhere in that big swath land but we'll get to see a partial part of it 237 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:39,480 and that's that's an experience to have it's not just about the lore and the 238 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:45,360 legend but actually just nature itself is mysterious enough and produces enough 239 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:54,360 to inspire us to baffle us so let me pivot back to to what we're talking about 240 00:25:54,360 --> 00:26:00,360 here which is the swarm lights the vantage point is important so it's just 241 00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:05,680 that depending on your vantage point it is sometimes too difficult to ascertain 242 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,640 that pattern the pattern that I was talking about that seems to be emerging 243 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:17,760 this high strangeness factor you know when random is not so random when 244 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:24,160 something is just not a weird data point where it's actually something pointing 245 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:31,080 to something completely different something peeking out and coming into 246 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:40,000 contact with us in an unexpected way whatever that is so this is how in our 247 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:46,600 search for answers confabulation conspiracy making conflation speculation 248 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:53,440 conjecture and storytelling get woven into a reported phenomenon because we're 249 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:59,560 looking for answers our brains are geared to come up with something about 250 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:06,560 what this could possible be it's just we either put it away or we come up with 251 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:14,920 something and we want to be self-aware enough about our own limitations about 252 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,960 what it is to be human to experience the world because we're not the end all be 253 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:26,840 all don't don't subscribe to that notion we're just another animal on this big 254 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:33,160 earth and we share it with everything else and our way of looking at things is 255 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,000 just one way of looking at things but there are many ways of looking at things 256 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:47,080 and that leads us to go back into the fundamentals to go back to basics to go 257 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,920 back to asking the essential questions based on considered trained 258 00:27:51,920 --> 00:28:00,920 observation what is actually out there what appeared to have been seen detected 259 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:09,640 what is its nature what is it made of stick to the simplest perceptions the 260 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:15,640 observation itself and fan out from there so if we see something that's 261 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,920 consistent with the flat of birds well maybe they're birds if we see something 262 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,280 that's consistent with the hovering movement of these drone machines with 263 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,600 just a few years ago they were still quite a bit novel now they're more out 264 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:34,360 there then maybe that's what they are and that's what we have in this situation 265 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:41,960 an observation followed by a conclusion is a conjecture so you have an 266 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,600 observation and you make a conclusion well congratulations you've just 267 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:52,880 conjectured something you know something of an example of this is when we first 268 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,840 started observing Mars and you'll recall a little bit of the lore of Mars 269 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:04,320 astronomers looking at patterns on the surface that we could for the first time 270 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:10,120 begin to discern and they were consistent with what we could think of as 271 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:17,320 canals or riverbeds or something man-made something like dams and something 272 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:23,400 that looked like it was worked on by somebody and there from that was born 273 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:29,760 the whole bunch of stories about Martians there that's a conjecture 274 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,920 observation of things that look like little lines on the surface of Mars and 275 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:41,960 then you go to the other end and there's Martians that's a classic conjecture is 276 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,080 it fun of course it's fun it's fun to speculate it's fun and it's part of how 277 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,000 we should be thinking about things we shouldn't shy away from speculation it 278 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,640 is not an inferior way of thinking it's just one way of thinking but we have to 279 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,280 be aware that we're doing that we have to be a way that we're playing with ideas 280 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:04,880 with information in a very specific sort of way we've got still the benefit of 281 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,840 empirical thinking I still ascribe to it even though I think that subjective 282 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,720 experience is very important I do value it and as I said in the first part of 283 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:23,960 this this Colorado Swarm Lines episodes subjectivity is more in the foreground 284 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,760 now versus objectivity in terms of its value not that it one is more than the 285 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:36,280 other but when it comes to philosophers when it comes to people who think very 286 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,000 carefully about these things they're thinking more about how subjective 287 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,640 experience really does matter it matters because it exists because it's part of 288 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,840 us right it's how we see things so that doesn't mean we just throw away 289 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:58,480 everything and abandon empirical process and that way of thinking if it's 290 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,800 missing then we're missing something fundamental too we've met we're missing 291 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:09,600 something that that we've gained through the enlightenment period and now we're 292 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,720 I'll get into that and I keep saying I'll get into that but it's just we're at 293 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,600 the outset of this new venture and yes it's going to lead into so many things 294 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:23,320 but one of the things that we have to think about is the way that not just our 295 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,400 technology has changed our environment has changed our spirituality has changed 296 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:35,920 but our philosophy in our ideas in the history of our ideas and how they change 297 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,320 and how it's important to look at them because they run not parallel but right 298 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:46,440 with how we perceive the world and most people are dismissive of that and we're 299 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,560 not going to be dismissive about that in this show we're going to include it 300 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:55,160 because the metaphysics it's part of how things are run it's part of how we 301 00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:00,800 figure things out and it's an important tool but if you go back to the basics 302 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:06,000 you go back to sci-fi science 101 not sci-fi but science one of them 101 it's 303 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:13,160 observation hypothesis creation testing analysis and potential conclusions so 304 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:20,000 deriving potential conclusions from this process and this is what we call 305 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,920 inductive reasoning not coming up with a binary way of thinking well it's got to 306 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:31,520 be this or this you know that may work in some context I'm not saying no but when 307 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:40,080 the more complex and the more samples you have and the more difficult the the 308 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,800 testing is and the idea is then the higher the possibility that you are not 309 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,440 going to get into one conclusion but you're gonna find very likely candidates 310 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,360 that's inductive reasoning and it's a very good way of thinking and really 311 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,480 leads to a whole revolution of the mind which is why we have what we have these 312 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:07,080 days we have what flying cars and such all will not yet but it's coming soon so 313 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:12,920 normally I like to point out that I'll be diving into research selecting 314 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,640 outstanding esoteric books and articles and sharing these with you but in this 315 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:26,840 case there's not much out there so let's see what the literature is that is out 316 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:38,120 there with regards to the swarm lines mostly it kind of spawns from local and 317 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,320 local news really those are one of a really little bit of the something from 318 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:56,880 NBC News affiliate here at its channel 9 news and what what they are reporting is 319 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:02,960 is not much more than what I shared with you on the first episode so 9 news 320 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,680 contacted a list of agencies including Google Amazon Uber norad and no Noah 321 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:14,160 who have a claim the drones don't belong to them and not that great writers these 322 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:19,640 9 news guys but I do like them pretty cute reporters too anyway the confirmed 323 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,160 sites began with a Facebook post from the Phillips County Sheriff's Office 324 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:32,040 that's an important thing so we've got we got this major news beginning with 325 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:38,720 on the ground observers people driving people spotting these things and then 326 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:45,800 the Sheriff's Office very responsibly there sharing through social media what 327 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,400 they thought about it and all they could do is shrug and say that they 328 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:57,520 probably weren't malicious again this is from an article from 9 news was also 329 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:04,240 aired deputies and go on didn't say why they believe the drones aren't malicious 330 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:10,120 and a quote they were kind of flying in a grid out in the towns out in the county 331 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,800 you'd see three or four flying in a line out in the east in the county 332 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,440 Washington County Sheriff John Stiver said last week 333 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,200 nevertheless that Stiver said the drones haven't invaded anybody's space as far 334 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:29,400 as housing that I'm aware of and ends by saying it is concerning because you know 335 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,920 one of the reports I had last night this is the Sheriff's still speaking was that 336 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:39,000 the drone is way bigger than six feet it sounds like a small jet engine when 337 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,760 it's flying Stiver said these are not drones that people in our county can just 338 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:52,280 buy I love the way and the way it ends because it's so on the ground such an 339 00:35:52,280 --> 00:36:01,160 honest rendering of what was there you know it's it's a conclusion right but 340 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,640 it's still it's a scratching in the scratching of the head happening right 341 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,000 there in this quote these are not things that are consistent with what people 342 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,200 around here might just have access to and it goes on with other other articles 343 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:21,720 like inside edition did a bit of a rendition but it's gonna be mirroring 344 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:29,240 what the Denver Post and so on other local newspapers and news media are 345 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:36,720 going to be reporting pretty much the same thing a quote from that here's from 346 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:42,480 the from inside edition I believe quoting the Denver Post which said they've 347 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,200 been doing doing a grid search a grid pattern Phillips County Sheriff Thomas 348 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:51,320 Elliott said they fly one square and then they fly another square interesting 349 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:58,120 right so now we have a little bit more commentary about what kind of behavior 350 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:05,760 we're seeing from these swarm lights from these possible drones and it seems 351 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:14,600 like they have a pattern of movement so right here is identified as such he's 352 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,080 passing on information we don't know we haven't tested it but it's a great lead 353 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:25,480 and one of my goals this coming weeks I've got to do some traveling actually 354 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,720 international bringing some stories from there to I'm going to Denmark and 355 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:38,320 bringing some stories from from there as well but I'll head into Washington 356 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:45,000 County I'll speak to whoever will speak to me either the sheriff or whoever and 357 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,520 I'll go out there and I'll see and I'll bring you the stories why aren't you 358 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,040 bringing those the stories right now well that's how the show is going to be 359 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:59,520 but for now I'm lean you on I'm lean you on and then I'm going to deliver because 360 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:05,640 I do deliver the little excerpt here goes a little bit more into officials from 361 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,360 the FAA also informed police that they have no idea who is flying the drones 362 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,360 because drone ponds aren't obligated to submit flight plans unless they are 363 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,920 in control space the the Air Force and Army forces also confirmed they are 364 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:24,720 not responsible for the drones so we've got denials from major agencies in fact 365 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:34,560 it's one of the headlines is that 15 or 19 agencies deny any part of this you 366 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,920 know there's there's just a lot of unanswered questions and there are people 367 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,080 that are asking aren't just regular folks there are these sheriffs and these 368 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:46,360 state patrol and local officials and all kinds of people and reporters and you 369 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:52,360 know wanting just an answer because it's concerning again I said in the beginning 370 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,120 what if these things had been malicious you know they've been for this well they 371 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,080 don't seem malicious and they don't seem like it is because they don't seem 372 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,440 threatening they're just sort of a hovering thing but what if they had been 373 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,760 what if God forbid this had been carrying some kind of a explosive devices 374 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,760 or they've been a test run for kind of a terrorist attack horrible horrible 375 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:20,120 prospects and I hate to even mention it and give anybody an idea out there and 376 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,200 if you are having those ideas well look into yourself and and really think what 377 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:33,360 why are you hurting humanity no go the other way go the other way but a few 378 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,120 articles about it they all like I said be all they'll kind of mirror a little 379 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,840 bit of bouncing back and forth about what they're saying what's noteworthy 380 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:47,800 about that is that it became from a local news something that's becoming 381 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:58,040 really a national level news even the New York Times the the Revere New York 382 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:04,360 Times picked it up and I think that's it's kind of amazing because what is that 383 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:11,360 a market or a readership of it's got to be easily eight to ten million people 384 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:19,400 right there in that area of the kind of the country so spreading easily to other 385 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,880 markets you've got the whole country wrapped around this for a few days or a 386 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:31,360 day or whatever our attention span can can carry 387 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:36,120 noteworthy to that we haven't heard anything about this I mean it's just the 388 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:43,160 the last conclusions were having to do more with and I guess it's not worthy I 389 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:48,080 believe in local government to be straightforward with you I think a lot 390 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:54,400 of folks out there are perhaps rightly suspicious of of major and complicated 391 00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:02,160 and ununderstandable agendas that the bigger agencies might have and they 392 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,640 might be inadvertently doing a lot of good things and bad things and in 393 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:12,560 between things but their transparency is very lacking and that we can a lot of us 394 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:18,040 agree on local government functions differently local government people like 395 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,040 the sheriffs they've got to answer to the people they've got to be elected and 396 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:29,040 they themselves care for the people that they serve local county government is 397 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,960 the same I happen to be involved in a bit of that and I know and I've seen it in 398 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,760 action I can tell you that if you want to make a difference or if you want to be 399 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:43,960 part of a conversation that results in change get involved get in the discussion 400 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,480 go for things run for things do these things you can make an impact in the 401 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,520 local level at the bigger level that's a whole different ballgame and I don't 402 00:41:54,520 --> 00:42:00,760 claim no I do respect our major agencies and and what they're trying to do but I 403 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,120 do criticize the fact that they're just not coming off to us the regular folks 404 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:13,600 as being transparent enough and being on the level the biggest thing that I 405 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:21,320 found out there that got more in depth was by a local film producer I was 406 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,560 really impressed by this 2020 documentary lights in the sky by Krista 407 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,400 Alexander and this is about the most comprehensive diving to the subject that 408 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,920 you'll find out there some of the ice watched it myself even then or just 409 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,040 around when it came out it must have been available on Amazon which at the 410 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:49,800 time Amazon was quite different it was just there were a lot more videos that 411 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,840 were available about different kinds of little documentaries and independent 412 00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:00,800 makers and now it all went to freebie and ads and you know it's not good I I 413 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,080 think I think there are better venues I'll share with those what those are 414 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,880 they don't pay me for this okay just start it out so and if they did I'd tell 415 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:15,400 you but I'll share with you what I think where you I think you could find more 416 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,000 interesting subjects they're streaming maybe get stream for free and to be a 417 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:26,040 stream for free and believe will freebie I guess it's where a lot of things have 418 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:31,320 to say but there's a lot of ads and I think there's a UFO TV produces great 419 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:38,760 documentaries on not just UFOs but all kinds of phenomena and great if it just 420 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:44,960 is for you at the entertainment level perfect for a little one hour easy watch 421 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:52,920 45 minute documentary about they abound in these streaming services so I'll 422 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,680 share down the road a little bit more about my impressions on those and I want 423 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,320 to myself be transparent where with where I find the information so that 424 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:07,760 you're not at a loss of where I'm coming up with these things and of course also 425 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,880 to credit the sources and the people that work hard on these things I was kind 426 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:19,160 of surprised I looked at the the reviews for Chris Alexander's documentary on 427 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:27,080 IMDB and it was pretty divided it was it was people that really appreciated it 428 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:34,800 and others that kind of nitpicked as they will as they do some of the the 429 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:42,720 resolution on the the images that she shows about you know about swarm lights 430 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:47,480 is not great and I think she zooms in there's a little bit of the criticism 431 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,680 about that because well you really can't make out much it's just 432 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,640 pixelated and not great definition in fact it's almost worse to zoom in on 433 00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,960 them but that's what she had available to share and she chose to share it that 434 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:07,000 way and I commend her for it and I think the criticisms are a little bit heavy 435 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,680 handed and maybe you know that maybe that's not the whole voice out there 436 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:16,320 but the reviews were a little bit bad and come on guys I mean we're talking 437 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:23,960 about you know we're in the 2020s and encouraging women producers filmmakers 438 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:29,120 actresses all these fine folks to come to the foreground where they haven't been 439 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,560 before and then when they do we give them a bad rating so you know I'm not 440 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,600 saying give them a good range just because they're a woman but I think this 441 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:42,360 given what the material source is I think she did pretty fine it's a 442 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:48,800 paltry the the amount of of information that's out there about the subject and 443 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:54,200 the quality of the videos that's out there it's not gonna be high because 444 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,080 people are shooting with their phones people are not having high resolution or 445 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:04,280 thermal cameras or you know if they did that'd be one heck of a thing and it 446 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,000 would be something that we would want to explain why would you have that out 447 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,720 there you know what would you have a $3,000 camera out there but but no we 448 00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:18,960 don't have much information I couldn't find anything about any radar readings 449 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:25,120 from that time if they were detectable or if they were followed or anything or 450 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:31,480 another thing that I thought was a little bit strange is that nobody seemed to be 451 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,840 alerted there was no alert system that was generated with regards or in 452 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:44,040 response rather to a mass of flying objects or nearing a major metropolitan 453 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,840 area which is the Denver metro area and we're talking about they could have been 454 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:54,440 here in 15-20 minutes and caused all kinds of havoc you know we don't know so 455 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,560 could that have been Amazon Amazon is just about a few miles north of where I 456 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:04,320 live major I wouldn't know if it's major but it's a big hub of warehouse and all 457 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:11,960 kinds of things and a great employer but you know they are said to have dealt 458 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:17,320 into the deliveries with with drones do I really think they had anything to do 459 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,080 with it I'll tell you right off the bat I don't think so I don't think a company 460 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:26,680 wants to be known for scaring people when they're trying to make money so I 461 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:32,000 will just share with you that I don't think that has anything to do with it 462 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:39,600 Chris Alexander's Chris Alexander's movie or documentary lights in the sky 463 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:49,120 available somewhere where you can string things look it up should shed quite a bit 464 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:57,800 more light into and yeah puns almost unintended into the subject because it's 465 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,600 about the the most comprehensive unless you want to go ahead and reconcile as I 466 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:08,000 did a lot of the different sources remember too that it's not just important 467 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,320 to see what's there and what's being described and the opinions that are 468 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:18,640 coming forth such as from the people that experienced these things one of the 469 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,120 ones that happened to be driving by were really disturbed by it and they know 470 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,920 they thought these things you know one of the guys setting I was following this 471 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:31,240 thing with in my my vehicle for a while going at 57 miles an hour and I could not 472 00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:37,520 keep up you know so it disturbed him that these things were fast enough and 473 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,840 had seemed to have a concerted way of evading him or going to a certain 474 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:48,160 direction with kind of an intelligence or someone with some intelligence behind 475 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:55,800 all of it and an unknown agenda the unknown agenda factor is a huge provocation 476 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,640 when you do whatever it is that you do whoever it is that did it you're 477 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:06,960 provoking a lot of people and in this case this was a rogue act no matter if 478 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:14,320 it was done by a agency from our side or from China or somewhere and that by the 479 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:23,400 way it didn't go into that and it's not completely you know unfeasible or 480 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,760 unthinkable because what did what happened just recently in the last 481 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,760 couple of years these balloons ride these low-level flying or high-level flying 482 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:40,560 balloons you know low-tech to spy on us and that was a big debacle and so could 483 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:46,200 this have been part of that it's a question and the fact that nobody's 484 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,760 owning up to but we do have you know pretty firm denials is a bit telling 485 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:56,000 can you trust the denial from an Air Force came trust a denial from these 486 00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:02,080 other agencies well no I'll just say no because my impression is that they 487 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,880 haven't been forthright with us in the past about things that were covered 488 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:11,520 operations and due to national security claims whether they were valid or not you 489 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:17,000 know that can't assess that but we can't trust their no we can't trust the 490 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,640 information that's given to us by the major sources or the major agencies that 491 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,720 could possibly carry out this kind of operation that's a problem for the the 492 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:33,880 layman it's a problem because we're we're sort of counted off as not needing 493 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:40,960 an explanation as being too dull to understand or too scared or to whatever 494 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:48,520 it is put an X on it to to be significant enough to deserve an answer 495 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:54,360 but this still is a democracy this territory here is still run by well 496 00:50:54,360 --> 00:51:00,440 supposedly the democratic people and we do deserve an answer so if one is coming 497 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,240 we should have it and if one is known and is hidden then it should be cracked 498 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:09,920 open and we should have it even if it is a small matter because I think it's a 499 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:15,680 thread I think it's leads to many other things I think it's a node and again 500 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:21,080 again I'll repeat myself I feel like there's a pattern there's a pattern and 501 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:27,640 we'll get to it we'll get to DIA down the road we'll get to parallel 37th or 502 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:34,360 37th parallel rather I've been there Salida all these other places Crestone 503 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:40,120 many other places strange places I'll tell you that we'll get to New Mexico and 504 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:46,960 by get there I don't mean just I'll cover them by the news or the research I've 505 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:52,280 done but I'll actually get there again I've been there over all these years of 506 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:59,320 travels I love traveling the the southern Colorado area four corners area 507 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:07,200 Utah Arizona New Mexico I think they're magical I really do there are many 508 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:13,800 mysteries there and it's a beautiful land rich rich with with lore and we're 509 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:21,160 gonna get into that but until then we're going to go ahead into this territory 510 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:26,520 physically I'm gonna take some field trips out there I outfitted a van over 511 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:32,120 the summer over this last summer to be able to take these trips and spend some 512 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:37,840 time out there and connect with people so you might see me in this big old blue 513 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:45,800 van and me where my my wide brim hat my dog little husky out her her name is 514 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,680 Ruby and she's wonderful and we'll take these big trips and we'll see what's 515 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,240 out there and we'll connect with other groups and other investigative groups and 516 00:52:54,240 --> 00:53:00,680 I'll do that and start to get a grassroots thing going so that we have 517 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:05,360 information coming from somewhere and I'll be one of the suppliers I'll be one 518 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:10,520 of the investigators I've got some training behind me and I'll get into 519 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:15,480 that as well and share that with you again I do want to be transparent about 520 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,720 these things because I wonder about these things I spent so much of my life 521 00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:24,600 taking so many things for granted watching things just pass me by major 522 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,560 things I think events and only to realize later that oh I was what was I doing 523 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:35,600 then how come I wasn't aware of that and you might be listening to this and 524 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:41,040 thinking the same thing and so if you are we're gonna change that we're gonna 525 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,360 start to scratch a little bit the surface and little by little unearth 526 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:53,320 something about the unfathomable as much as we can until then take good care 527 00:53:53,320 --> 00:54:01,960 of yourselves get out investigate ponder about things breathe be kind to one 528 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:09,480 another and look around look behind you look over your shoulder you might just 529 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:24,600 see something you've never seen before