WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.299 The most important thing what I wanted to tell 00:00:03.299 --> 00:00:08.359 was, in our profession, we would equate our entire 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:12.339 patient relationship to something called an investigative 00:00:12.339 --> 00:00:17.120 approach. For example, a child cannot tell anything, 00:00:17.219 --> 00:00:20.480 there is any pain experience or anything, the 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:23.539 maximum the child is going to cry. Probably the 00:00:23.539 --> 00:00:26.500 parents will tell some history, but it's not 00:00:26.500 --> 00:00:28.829 going to be very related with the thing. So our 00:00:28.829 --> 00:00:31.850 job will be non -parallel to the pediatrician. 00:00:32.130 --> 00:00:34.950 So this is a kind of investigative approach where 00:00:34.950 --> 00:00:37.350 you need to solve the case. No much of symptoms. 00:00:37.530 --> 00:00:40.170 Whatever said and done, the dog or cat is ultimately 00:00:40.170 --> 00:00:42.609 not going to eat. That's the main symptom that 00:00:42.609 --> 00:00:45.689 the owner is going to say. So we have investigative 00:00:45.689 --> 00:00:49.469 approach to diagnose the thing. Trust me, no 00:00:49.469 --> 00:01:00.020 two cases are the same. I should start with a 00:01:00.020 --> 00:01:03.100 confession. I've never had a pet or never kept 00:01:03.100 --> 00:01:06.140 a pet in my life. So I've not had the occasion 00:01:06.140 --> 00:01:09.980 or the joy of interacting with veterinarians. 00:01:10.019 --> 00:01:12.280 But my son and daughter -in -law have a couple 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:16.099 of kittens and they have mentioned how hard it 00:01:16.099 --> 00:01:20.439 is to find a good vet to take care of their pets. 00:01:20.700 --> 00:01:24.280 We'll see how Dr. Barney's journey into veterinary 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:27.599 science has been the defining aspect of his life. 00:01:28.010 --> 00:01:30.930 understand what the career journey involves. 00:01:31.290 --> 00:01:33.950 Dr. Barini, great to have you on the show. Good 00:01:33.950 --> 00:01:36.150 afternoon, sir. It's great to have you too. Let's 00:01:36.150 --> 00:01:38.989 start with a simple question. The inspiration 00:01:38.989 --> 00:01:42.549 for your veterinary clinic, it's the Ark. So 00:01:42.549 --> 00:01:45.890 is it from the legendary biblical reference or 00:01:45.890 --> 00:01:48.200 did you have some other? thoughts in mind people 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:51.120 and clients who always have the same question 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:54.420 like as you do because every other clinic here 00:01:54.420 --> 00:01:57.719 will have either the veterinarian's name or either 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.060 the pet's name or sometimes the area's name for 00:02:01.060 --> 00:02:03.540 it could an example it could be a Thiruvanmure 00:02:03.540 --> 00:02:05.799 veterinary clinic or Chennai veterinary clinic 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:08.680 Dr. Rajesh's clinic as you see in the north you 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:11.800 will see a lot of names and with their family 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:14.479 names also. But we wanted to make a difference. 00:02:14.699 --> 00:02:18.479 The bleakly and the ark was the Noah's Ark. Took 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:21.520 all the animals that was actually in despair 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:24.280 and... Provincial rain and storm, they finally 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:26.139 saved a whole lot of... Which is what you do 00:02:26.139 --> 00:02:29.759 day in and day out. How did you get into... veterinary 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:33.620 science was it slow understanding or is it something 00:02:33.620 --> 00:02:36.659 that you wanted to do and then ultimately found 00:02:36.659 --> 00:02:38.780 your way into it before that i would like to 00:02:38.780 --> 00:02:41.599 congratulate on your topic that you've been highlighting 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:44.960 every week on my first profession this is the 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:47.780 essence of everybody's life right could be their 00:02:47.780 --> 00:02:49.719 passion or it could be their bread and butter 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:51.520 it's totally different but the profession is 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:53.680 very important i wanted to be very honest with 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:58.060 you all so i never wanted to become a vet definitely 00:02:59.320 --> 00:03:03.120 contradictory one but it was way back on 89 90 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:05.280 and 91 those period when we used to finish our 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.180 12th and we had marks because i wanted to be 00:03:08.180 --> 00:03:11.819 a medical person i wanted to be an internal medicine 00:03:11.819 --> 00:03:14.919 of medical specialty but like everybody used 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:18.460 to say i missed that by 1 .5 marks because at 00:03:18.460 --> 00:03:21.120 that time we don't have system like this it is 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:25.060 purely on merit and and marks and so i had to 00:03:25.060 --> 00:03:29.229 opt Either dentistry, agriculture or veterinary 00:03:29.229 --> 00:03:31.310 science. I seriously didn't want to become a 00:03:31.310 --> 00:03:34.629 dentist because seeing the tooth every day and 00:03:34.629 --> 00:03:38.310 for years until life is not my actual passion. 00:03:38.629 --> 00:03:41.030 Agriculture, I wasn't much into it. I didn't 00:03:41.030 --> 00:03:43.270 know much. But veterinary science, yes, I had 00:03:43.270 --> 00:03:45.930 an inclination as a choice. Historically, my 00:03:45.930 --> 00:03:49.150 grandparents in my villages had goats and cows. 00:03:49.289 --> 00:03:52.889 And very interestingly, my parents who... I mean, 00:03:52.889 --> 00:03:54.849 still living in Trivandrum. But when they were 00:03:54.849 --> 00:03:56.969 in Teinagar on the main road, they used to have 00:03:56.969 --> 00:03:58.969 three cows. The Teinagar was supposed to be a 00:03:58.969 --> 00:04:01.810 hub of all business and every activity here. 00:04:01.949 --> 00:04:04.810 Starting from those days, Nalli Silks and Pondy 00:04:04.810 --> 00:04:07.689 Bazaar. I remember people coming from long distances 00:04:07.689 --> 00:04:10.370 shopping here. But my parents, I don't know why, 00:04:10.430 --> 00:04:12.090 they had the inclination of having cows here. 00:04:12.210 --> 00:04:15.530 It was a sheer business loss and there is no 00:04:15.530 --> 00:04:18.050 model in it. The money they spent over the cows 00:04:18.050 --> 00:04:20.370 was tremendous and the milk was very, very less. 00:04:20.730 --> 00:04:23.069 But they wanted to have natural milk. From that 00:04:23.069 --> 00:04:26.470 time, I was in acquaintance with animals. And 00:04:26.470 --> 00:04:30.629 then I got Doberman dogs too. One is Bruni and 00:04:30.629 --> 00:04:33.629 one is Pinto. And unfortunately, I lost one of 00:04:33.629 --> 00:04:37.449 the dogs during 91, 93. Yeah, if I'm right. I 00:04:37.449 --> 00:04:39.850 used to get my dog to other veterinarians. They 00:04:39.850 --> 00:04:42.250 had a viral infection. Nobody could actually 00:04:42.250 --> 00:04:45.410 solve the case. And nobody could actually take 00:04:45.410 --> 00:04:48.230 him out. He died. At that time, I was very irritated 00:04:48.230 --> 00:04:49.910 on veterinarians because they couldn't save my 00:04:49.910 --> 00:04:53.019 dog. But in profession, even today I get a viral 00:04:53.019 --> 00:04:55.279 case, I'm not able to do much because there is 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:57.980 no antiviral access. So even though there are 00:04:57.980 --> 00:05:00.699 medical limitations, we do try to do our best. 00:05:00.899 --> 00:05:04.000 That journey started like that. But when I joined 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:07.360 Vettori College, I made myself involved in it. 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:09.199 Towards the third, fourth year of curriculum, 00:05:09.420 --> 00:05:12.139 I was very interested in clinics because I wanted 00:05:12.139 --> 00:05:15.279 to be a doctor. And so I used to stay with people 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:18.060 who practice. And there's something called casualty. 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:21.339 part of the medical field. That's a 24 -7 emergency 00:05:21.339 --> 00:05:23.600 center. From fourth year, I used to be there 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:26.860 almost every other day because I wanted to acquaint 00:05:26.860 --> 00:05:29.399 with cases and try to play the doctor job to 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:31.660 meet the dog already. And invariably, we used 00:05:31.660 --> 00:05:33.459 to get a lot of animals there, not only dogs. 00:05:33.620 --> 00:05:36.519 It could be cats. It could be cattle. It could 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.579 be elephants. Suddenly, you'd see a snake from 00:05:39.579 --> 00:05:43.360 the Vandalur Zoo. Yeah, so we kind of... If you 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:45.540 can just tell us a little about how the course 00:05:45.540 --> 00:05:48.290 was structured. How was it? anchored? What is 00:05:48.290 --> 00:05:50.550 the curriculum like? What do you learn first? 00:05:50.810 --> 00:05:53.350 What are you exposed to? And how does the course 00:05:53.350 --> 00:05:56.029 progress? Fortunately and unfortunately, two 00:05:56.029 --> 00:05:59.350 sides of the coin, our structure is a huge syllabus. 00:05:59.610 --> 00:06:02.069 A person who can pass out of veterinary science 00:06:02.069 --> 00:06:05.370 in five, six years, stipulated, is very, very 00:06:05.370 --> 00:06:08.689 eligible for a UPSC exam. There's such a tremendous 00:06:08.689 --> 00:06:11.550 amount of infra, the knowledge and the database. 00:06:12.220 --> 00:06:14.379 on which they teach in the first three years 00:06:14.379 --> 00:06:17.259 of basic sciences. It'll start from statistics. 00:06:17.699 --> 00:06:19.879 Because I hated maths, I didn't want to come 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:22.399 into the engineering side. But on the veterinary 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:25.120 side, I mean, to my shock, the first year I had 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.639 statistics and honestly, I didn't do good. I 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:29.959 just passed, that's all. Then biochemistry, physiology, 00:06:30.500 --> 00:06:34.839 anatomy, and we study species by species. For 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:37.519 example, if a human doctor is studying, let us 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:40.959 say, a palm, the hand of a human being. So he 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:43.800 will have the entire anatomy, physiology, disease 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:45.920 concepts, everything of the particular palm. 00:06:46.060 --> 00:06:49.339 As veterinarians, we see the palm of the dog, 00:06:49.540 --> 00:06:52.800 cat, horse, fowl, that's a poultry, and then 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:54.800 the wild species. So it's called a comparative 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.220 anatomy. That's why the subject becomes huge 00:06:57.220 --> 00:06:59.800 and huge, humongous. Then finally, they become 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.839 a master of all trades. How do you manage to 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:06.399 retain all this? It must be quite a job memorizing 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:11.829 some of these things and diagnosing it. During 00:07:11.829 --> 00:07:15.750 1980s to 1990s, the term veterinary profession 00:07:15.750 --> 00:07:18.470 was supposed to be a very cumbersome subject. 00:07:18.689 --> 00:07:20.910 If you, I don't know, people have heard of something 00:07:20.910 --> 00:07:24.689 called AMIE and all that courses in engineering. 00:07:24.930 --> 00:07:27.410 Yeah, so they were very, yeah, they're kind of 00:07:27.410 --> 00:07:29.269 supposed to be very tough. The other name for 00:07:29.269 --> 00:07:31.230 that was appearing many times in examination. 00:07:31.589 --> 00:07:34.560 Like that. I used to know my seniors who've been 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:37.339 studying for God knows 11, 12 years. People used 00:07:37.339 --> 00:07:40.439 to come from Nigeria internationally. I remember 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:43.879 still, they'll be like real fathers and big personalities 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:47.000 in kind of age factor. And they'll be studying 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:48.759 in the second year, third year class along with 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.079 us. But now it's been refined and people have 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:53.199 started a lot of education because of all this 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:55.019 technology and all. And yeah, there are two sides 00:07:55.019 --> 00:07:57.259 of the coin. Fortunately and unfortunately, we 00:07:57.259 --> 00:08:00.290 know lots and we do not lot. That's the thing. 00:08:00.329 --> 00:08:02.129 So we are not concentrated on one particular 00:08:02.129 --> 00:08:05.189 factor. Right. Do you have anything that you 00:08:05.189 --> 00:08:07.990 remember from those days as to one particular 00:08:07.990 --> 00:08:11.449 case, something that a lecturer said, something 00:08:11.449 --> 00:08:14.829 that helped you, you know, sort of anything that 00:08:14.829 --> 00:08:17.269 comes to mind from the early days of education 00:08:17.269 --> 00:08:20.589 and anecdotes that you remember? Yeah, lots. 00:08:20.629 --> 00:08:24.589 See, those times, the professors were kind of 00:08:24.589 --> 00:08:29.160 unique and they have a pattern. like when they 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.240 enter the class the whole class stands up for 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.759 till and wait for him to say sit down so those 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:37.919 were the days and but now when i enter the class 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.120 nobody stands up also so i'm a professor and 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:43.500 it is it is all the other way so those times 00:08:43.500 --> 00:08:46.320 when our professors used to teach it will always 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:52.080 be with anecdotes and examples of cases so especially 00:08:52.080 --> 00:09:00.000 emergency cases where we had I mean, I would 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:04.039 remember a case where the puppy, it's a new puppy 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:08.059 and you know how it goes in. I think if you get 00:09:08.059 --> 00:09:11.059 a puppy yourself, you'll feel that, that it is 00:09:11.059 --> 00:09:12.980 going to be a part of your family and for the 00:09:12.980 --> 00:09:14.940 first three months, it is going to be joy everywhere. 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:18.919 So everybody returning from office, homes and 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:21.759 whatever work, the puppy goes and dies on them 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:25.100 and shows full love and they are fine with the 00:09:25.100 --> 00:09:28.980 dog on their sofa. Dining cable, whatnot, everywhere. 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:33.440 Bathrooms. But point is, after the dog grows 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:36.139 and people get slowly, you know, kind of irritated 00:09:36.139 --> 00:09:39.639 by all the actions the puppy does. That's how 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:42.240 human psychology is. After one year, they'll 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:44.860 say, don't come into my bedroom. But the dog 00:09:44.860 --> 00:09:48.759 does not understand, right? Now, this puppy actually 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:53.639 swallowed a diamond ring. My God. Yeah. So, the 00:09:53.639 --> 00:10:00.350 lady... The wife didn't want to have a puppy. 00:10:00.409 --> 00:10:02.210 The husband wanted to have a puppy, plus the 00:10:02.210 --> 00:10:06.870 kids. So the wife was totally against dog raising 00:10:06.870 --> 00:10:10.549 hair and the dog entering home. When she found 00:10:10.549 --> 00:10:14.690 out that a diamond ring was missing, they rushed 00:10:14.690 --> 00:10:18.669 to the clinic. I remember the x -ray was taken 00:10:18.669 --> 00:10:20.789 where we can see the diamond ring in the stomach. 00:10:21.289 --> 00:10:24.129 It was a slightly bigger version, so it wouldn't 00:10:24.129 --> 00:10:26.919 pass the duodenum. That means it was just stuck 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:29.639 there in the stomach. So we gave them options, 00:10:29.740 --> 00:10:32.879 like the anecdotes of the, we gave them options 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:37.919 of surgery. If the ring does not pass out through 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:41.440 the poop for the next three days. So they agreed 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.399 to that because diamonds have a very sharp edge. 00:10:43.460 --> 00:10:44.879 You can never say, you know, sometimes they can 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.419 cut through the. It can cut through the, yeah. 00:10:49.019 --> 00:10:52.889 Yeah, but the owners, once they were in. Once 00:10:52.889 --> 00:10:55.909 they actually calculated the surgery cost and 00:10:55.909 --> 00:10:58.409 all the headache there, they actually wanted 00:10:58.409 --> 00:11:03.289 to wait for the thing to come out. So, yeah. 00:11:03.409 --> 00:11:07.710 So, the funniest part was the wife who hated 00:11:07.710 --> 00:11:12.590 the dogs was almost 24 -7 behind the puppy for 00:11:12.590 --> 00:11:16.389 the next three days. And because the puppy would 00:11:16.389 --> 00:11:20.990 anytime poop the drink off, correct? And it had... 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:25.159 quite a kind of restrained space for the walking. 00:11:25.340 --> 00:11:28.139 Like if you see in Chennai, most of the VDIPs, 00:11:28.340 --> 00:11:30.440 if you've seen, they have a special permission 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:33.240 to go on walks on certain parts of the boat club, 00:11:33.299 --> 00:11:36.080 certain parts of the governor's bungalow. Like 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:38.539 that, the puppy was taken for special walks. 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:42.559 And everybody was having gloves in their hands 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:46.860 and digging up the poop. Talking about five times 00:11:46.860 --> 00:11:50.539 a puppy actually poops badly. Five times into 00:11:50.539 --> 00:11:54.080 three days, it was more than 15 times. Then finally, 00:11:54.100 --> 00:11:56.679 we had to give an enema to take it out normally. 00:11:58.179 --> 00:12:01.299 The poor guy would have been under so much of 00:12:01.299 --> 00:12:06.440 pain, right? Unfortunately, the puppy never showed 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:08.440 any signs at all. There was not even a vomiting. 00:12:09.259 --> 00:12:13.120 My God! Yeah, so it's very strange. Ring stuck 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.320 inside him and didn't show any signs. Very strange. 00:12:16.419 --> 00:12:18.879 These dogs, they have so much of... the physiological 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:22.820 processes by nature that they can actually, I 00:12:22.820 --> 00:12:24.679 mean, kind of take care of certain things. Like, 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.740 you see a stray dog on the road that eats everyday 00:12:28.740 --> 00:12:33.559 chicken biryani with staples in it. Wow. Okay. 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:36.279 It doesn't, it can't, yeah, it can't separate. 00:12:37.139 --> 00:12:39.840 Correct. So, they cannot separate the staples 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.320 and the biryani. So, that's how they go. So, 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:45.519 that, I thought that would be a best anecdote 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:51.179 because... That's an amazing story because this 00:12:51.179 --> 00:12:53.519 is not something that you expect to hear about. 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:59.480 Okay. So let's say five years later, you pass 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:04.200 out of college, decide that. So what were your, 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:07.259 you know, once you passed out of college, what 00:13:07.259 --> 00:13:09.360 were the things that you had in mind? What were 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:12.139 the options that you were considering? The most 00:13:12.139 --> 00:13:16.750 important thing, what I wanted to tell was, our 00:13:16.750 --> 00:13:20.909 profession we would equate our entire patient 00:13:20.909 --> 00:13:23.970 relationship to something called an investigative 00:13:23.970 --> 00:13:28.769 approach for example a child cannot tell anything 00:13:28.769 --> 00:13:32.169 there is any pain experience or anything the 00:13:32.169 --> 00:13:35.169 maximum the child is going to cry probably the 00:13:35.169 --> 00:13:38.490 parents will tell some history but is not going 00:13:38.490 --> 00:13:40.889 to be very related with the thing so our job 00:13:40.889 --> 00:13:44.169 will be Non -parallel to the pediatrician. So 00:13:44.169 --> 00:13:46.610 this is a kind of investigative approach where 00:13:46.610 --> 00:13:49.009 you need to solve the case. No much of symptoms. 00:13:49.169 --> 00:13:51.830 Whatever said and done, the dog or cat is ultimately 00:13:51.830 --> 00:13:54.250 not going to eat. That's the main symptom that 00:13:54.250 --> 00:13:57.330 the owner is going to say. So we have investigative 00:13:57.330 --> 00:14:01.350 approach to diagnose a thing. Trust me, no two 00:14:01.350 --> 00:14:04.350 cases are the same. This is actually what pursue 00:14:04.350 --> 00:14:07.909 my postgraduate in medicine. I lead with veterinary 00:14:07.909 --> 00:14:10.590 science. Then my PhD was in again medicine. So 00:14:10.590 --> 00:14:14.090 that was the part where I wanted to, I was actively 00:14:14.090 --> 00:14:16.389 involved in cracking the case out of investigation. 00:14:16.750 --> 00:14:18.990 So how would you follow an investigative approach? 00:14:19.110 --> 00:14:21.190 Can you give me an example? You can just give 00:14:21.190 --> 00:14:23.889 us two or three instances of what, you know, 00:14:23.889 --> 00:14:26.690 tells you that this could be a possible reason. 00:14:26.929 --> 00:14:29.950 Yeah, very comically, we would associate certain 00:14:29.950 --> 00:14:33.590 cases, owners and the veterans. We have a small 00:14:33.590 --> 00:14:37.269 team. along with something called our doctor 00:14:37.269 --> 00:14:40.149 house episodes. Have you seen those? Yeah, doctor 00:14:40.149 --> 00:14:42.750 house, yes. Typical scenario, he used to send 00:14:42.750 --> 00:14:45.429 some persons for investigation behind the patient's 00:14:45.429 --> 00:14:48.490 property. Very small examples are like, I had 00:14:48.490 --> 00:14:50.750 a case which was typically vomiting for a long 00:14:50.750 --> 00:14:53.409 time and nothing definitive could be concluded 00:14:53.409 --> 00:14:55.389 in the blood test and the x -ray. Everything 00:14:55.389 --> 00:14:58.009 was clean. Then I asked him to... shoot a video 00:14:58.009 --> 00:15:00.710 of their environment where they had recently 00:15:00.710 --> 00:15:03.990 done manuring and planting over that herbicides 00:15:03.990 --> 00:15:08.090 and the insecticides place which was not there 00:15:08.090 --> 00:15:10.289 before a week they showed me a video of their 00:15:10.289 --> 00:15:12.450 environment i could see new potted plants and 00:15:12.450 --> 00:15:15.250 as i mean it was done and then slowly we investigated 00:15:15.250 --> 00:15:17.870 and there was one person was spraying these plants 00:15:17.870 --> 00:15:21.009 every day with mechanicals oh We eliminate them, 00:15:21.190 --> 00:15:23.929 then the dog starts the vomiting stock. Most 00:15:23.929 --> 00:15:27.230 commonly, nowadays we have patients who are on 00:15:27.230 --> 00:15:30.429 a lot of drugs, including the diabetic drugs, 00:15:30.750 --> 00:15:33.070 the anti -BP drugs, the routine ones. There might 00:15:33.070 --> 00:15:35.730 be a kidney patient who is taking immunosuppressants. 00:15:35.870 --> 00:15:38.830 Now, all these tablets are on the table, so it's 00:15:38.830 --> 00:15:40.809 never safe to have it. We have a lot of cases 00:15:40.809 --> 00:15:43.029 where accidental ingestion of these tablets, 00:15:43.110 --> 00:15:45.779 where... The client wouldn't open up, but we 00:15:45.779 --> 00:15:47.799 would know after a distinctive investigation. 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.919 It's amazing how, like you said, no two cases 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:55.360 are the same, but you have to start from some 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:58.500 point and you have to notice that there is a 00:15:58.500 --> 00:16:02.299 difference and pay attention. I never knew that, 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.539 you know, I think you brought in some lovely 00:16:04.539 --> 00:16:08.259 perspectives about one, that imagine that this 00:16:08.259 --> 00:16:11.399 is from a pediatric angle. The other, the investigative 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:13.539 part. Because it's almost as if it's cut and 00:16:13.539 --> 00:16:16.200 dried, the dog. But like you said, the dog can't 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.659 say it. The owners can't tell you. They can only 00:16:18.659 --> 00:16:20.840 present saying that, okay, this is the symptom. 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:23.860 And how do you figure out what's that? Your time 00:16:23.860 --> 00:16:26.480 in casualty, the one that you spent, what are 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:28.899 the kind of cases that you saw then? Okay, a 00:16:28.899 --> 00:16:32.399 couple of cases I can recall. There was one cow 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:35.470 that was actually presented with... difficulty 00:16:35.470 --> 00:16:38.090 in birth it's called dystocia so the milkman 00:16:38.090 --> 00:16:40.690 had recently purchased before the couple of months 00:16:40.690 --> 00:16:43.809 and then normal calving time the the cow found 00:16:43.809 --> 00:16:46.129 some difficulty and so he brought it to the cash 00:16:46.129 --> 00:16:48.809 holding the first we guys were trying to the 00:16:48.809 --> 00:16:51.029 term is called dystocia that is difficulty in 00:16:51.029 --> 00:16:53.149 birth oh i don't know if you've seen it it's 00:16:53.149 --> 00:16:56.529 very difficult part of the veterinary gynecologist 00:16:56.529 --> 00:17:00.190 to actually take the calf out without complications 00:17:00.190 --> 00:17:02.610 to the calf and the mother It is not like in 00:17:02.610 --> 00:17:05.869 human grounds, they have 10 people around, they 00:17:05.869 --> 00:17:09.349 do a CSN, you can take it anywhere. We were actually 00:17:09.349 --> 00:17:12.150 trying to take this calf out. After 15 -20 minutes, 00:17:12.410 --> 00:17:15.869 it was very difficult and I had help. I was there 00:17:15.869 --> 00:17:19.170 alone. There are different specialties in veterinary 00:17:19.170 --> 00:17:21.710 science now. Like, I am a general medicine guy, 00:17:21.769 --> 00:17:24.309 I was posted in the casualty, but I am actually 00:17:24.309 --> 00:17:26.250 not very professional in taking the calf out. 00:17:26.509 --> 00:17:28.630 But I need to attend the case. Plus, I could 00:17:28.630 --> 00:17:31.349 get help from my seniors and the professors. 00:17:31.650 --> 00:17:34.950 But I had to do it. After 20 minutes, I had, 00:17:34.950 --> 00:17:37.309 I think, zero glucose in me because everything 00:17:37.309 --> 00:17:38.950 was drained. We were trying to pull out the calf. 00:17:39.069 --> 00:17:41.789 This owner then, who was holding the calf, just 00:17:41.789 --> 00:17:44.130 left away. We were searching for him for half 00:17:44.130 --> 00:17:46.170 an hour. He was never found out. Then, finally, 00:17:46.210 --> 00:17:48.970 my attendants found out that already he was talking 00:17:48.970 --> 00:17:51.309 to the other people on slaughtering the cow. 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.079 My goodness. So he was talking in terms of money 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:56.880 on negotiating on how much the cow should be 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:59.900 sold to. Then what happened was at that time, 00:18:00.539 --> 00:18:04.480 I actually called up my seniors. Then that time 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:07.119 we don't have any Google videos to refer upon. 00:18:07.259 --> 00:18:09.839 So we called them up and they gave us instructions 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:12.259 from a different place. We kind of sedated the 00:18:12.259 --> 00:18:15.460 cow and there was something called a breach presentation 00:18:15.460 --> 00:18:20.839 that we need to rectify inside the womb. correctly 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:23.920 then we have some anchors that could you know 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:26.339 the eye orbits those are the place to actually 00:18:26.339 --> 00:18:29.640 pull the calf through so we have so called gadgets 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:31.759 we can actually put it in the eye without causing 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:34.779 a problem into the eye orbits and we restrain 00:18:34.779 --> 00:18:38.339 we turn we actually pull the calf out like over 00:18:38.339 --> 00:18:41.880 a period of 2 hours this took 2 hours to do yeah 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:45.880 by then 5 or 6 people had already come to point 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:49.559 they all left after seeing me This is the big 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:52.119 difference between a cattle owner and a dog owner. 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.180 These are the way medicine or veterinary science, 00:18:56.259 --> 00:18:58.619 like you said, is practiced. It's almost like 00:18:58.619 --> 00:19:01.500 it becomes a transactional thing as far as the 00:19:01.500 --> 00:19:04.240 farmer's concerned. Yes, there is concern for 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:06.960 the well -being and stuff like that. But at the 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:10.539 end of the day, it's about saying, OK. This should 00:19:10.539 --> 00:19:13.220 not be a complete loss or something. So it's 00:19:13.220 --> 00:19:15.819 hard not to be judgmental, but I guess they have 00:19:15.819 --> 00:19:18.299 their own compulsions for doing what they do. 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:21.880 And that I've seen not only me, a lot of veterans 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:25.220 actually are taken aback by this decision by 00:19:25.220 --> 00:19:27.619 the owners. That's sometimes very hurting. It 00:19:27.619 --> 00:19:30.559 is. And especially when that cow has been part 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:32.440 of the household. So whatever you say at the 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:34.099 end of the day, like you said, you started off 00:19:34.099 --> 00:19:36.240 with your... Parents who had three. And even 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.079 if they didn't give much milk or whatever, it 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:40.460 was always part of the household. Something that 00:19:40.460 --> 00:19:43.559 you look. And so to see this would obviously 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:46.019 be very distressing. What about your experiences 00:19:46.019 --> 00:19:48.460 with wild animals, which is even more difficult 00:19:48.460 --> 00:19:51.579 because as it is, they are so terrified of humans 00:19:51.579 --> 00:19:53.920 and humans are not somebody things that they 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:56.200 come across. How do you even begin to deal with 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:59.359 animals? So wild animals, they have their own 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:02.180 specialist. It's called a wildlife vet. So they 00:20:02.180 --> 00:20:05.049 actually. specialize in a course called wildlife 00:20:05.049 --> 00:20:07.230 medicine and surgery. And that's how they are 00:20:07.230 --> 00:20:09.329 put. But as you rightly said, in the area of 00:20:09.329 --> 00:20:11.710 casualty, you have to be a master of all subjects. 00:20:11.849 --> 00:20:14.369 You cannot expect anything. So yeah, once we 00:20:14.369 --> 00:20:20.890 had a snake, it's a 12 -foot python. It had some, 00:20:20.970 --> 00:20:23.609 it's called a ball axis. That is, they cannot 00:20:23.609 --> 00:20:26.890 move much because there is a lot of ball -like 00:20:26.890 --> 00:20:30.210 abscesses inside their whole tummy. And they 00:20:30.210 --> 00:20:34.700 become sick. That's a disease by itself. So that's 00:20:34.700 --> 00:20:36.579 the first time I'm actually handling a python. 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:43.079 And it was a nightmare. The snakes, they have 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:47.420 a tendency to just crawl very slowly. And if 00:20:47.420 --> 00:20:50.359 they want to actually curtail you or want to 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:52.519 restrain you, they can do it easily. Nobody can 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:57.039 stop them. It was scary. Then we admitted the 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:00.519 python and we got specialists and all. Likewise, 00:21:01.109 --> 00:21:03.269 wild animals like you're right we used to get 00:21:03.269 --> 00:21:08.230 monkeys which are strapped by people so most 00:21:08.230 --> 00:21:13.529 commonly the it's a kind of a wire that is around 00:21:13.529 --> 00:21:17.230 the neck and it has been tightened up so badly 00:21:17.230 --> 00:21:22.269 and the monkey actually escapes from the hunter 00:21:22.269 --> 00:21:25.450 or whatever and then they can't remove it because 00:21:25.450 --> 00:21:30.250 it's just knotted with the the steel wire So 00:21:30.250 --> 00:21:33.309 the steel wire slowly gets cut through the neck 00:21:33.309 --> 00:21:35.829 muscles and they'll day by day and cause a sepsis. 00:21:36.349 --> 00:21:40.049 And I got a case like that, which we had to anesthetize 00:21:40.049 --> 00:21:43.369 completely and surgically remove it. The monkey 00:21:43.369 --> 00:21:46.349 was fine after a week. Some of the, this is, 00:21:46.430 --> 00:21:49.750 I don't remember. And you guys are okay with 00:21:49.750 --> 00:21:53.849 the latest COVID. We had to rush up to print 00:21:53.849 --> 00:21:57.630 the COVID lines. That was really clean. Yeah. 00:21:58.230 --> 00:22:02.359 So. You want to hear about that? The lions tested 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:06.079 positive for COVID when you... So we had some 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:08.740 12 lions tested positive for COVID. The lions 00:22:08.740 --> 00:22:11.299 come under a family called cats, C -A -T -S, 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:15.420 big cats. Right. Okay. Actually, felines. So 00:22:15.420 --> 00:22:18.460 like how a cat gets COVID virus, the lions can 00:22:18.460 --> 00:22:21.859 also get a COVID virus. One of the zookeepers 00:22:21.859 --> 00:22:26.039 had COVID and he passed on to the lion. So the 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:29.069 lion, we had 12... lion's head was positive for 00:22:29.069 --> 00:22:33.049 COVID and we needed to treat them. It took us 00:22:33.049 --> 00:22:37.309 one and a half days to actually organize a treatment 00:22:37.309 --> 00:22:41.509 for them. Because you cannot restrain them. They 00:22:41.509 --> 00:22:44.250 are horribly aggressive. Plus they are sick. 00:22:45.549 --> 00:22:49.970 We had different gadgets and in fact, some of 00:22:49.970 --> 00:22:52.670 the major things we did here, which nobody does 00:22:52.670 --> 00:22:56.390 throughout the world, is we actually pulled the 00:22:56.829 --> 00:22:58.730 lion's tail through the cages. We have people 00:22:58.730 --> 00:23:01.809 for that. And we connected something called the 00:23:01.809 --> 00:23:06.809 huge boar cannulas that we use for humans, let 00:23:06.809 --> 00:23:08.650 us say for a dialysis or any other procedure. 00:23:08.910 --> 00:23:11.529 So those cannulas were collected in the coccygeal 00:23:11.529 --> 00:23:14.869 vein of the tail, bandaged good, and we had given 00:23:14.869 --> 00:23:19.250 medications every day through the boar cannulas. 00:23:19.849 --> 00:23:23.809 That is quite interesting. And all of them recovered? 00:23:24.750 --> 00:23:29.359 No. Three of them died. Okay. Died and the others 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:34.440 recovered. And it is like they get you into the... 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.140 Now these COVID enclosures are totally different. 00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:40.039 It's not from the normal zoo. They are in a different 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:44.079 place. So they get us there by a vehicle. And, 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:46.440 you know, remember those days we had to wear 00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:50.539 full COVID suits? Right. During the hot sun. 00:23:50.619 --> 00:23:54.829 And we can't breathe also. accessing, you know, 00:23:54.829 --> 00:23:56.769 to hold a particular thing will be very difficult 00:23:56.769 --> 00:23:59.769 because you're entirely gloved. Yeah, the gloves 00:23:59.769 --> 00:24:01.809 will slip as well, right? It's hard to get a 00:24:01.809 --> 00:24:05.809 grip. Yeah. So the zookeeper was also, I mean, 00:24:05.869 --> 00:24:08.170 equally dressed with a COVID suit. So handling 00:24:08.170 --> 00:24:11.549 the animals is very difficult. And I still remember 00:24:11.549 --> 00:24:15.109 like the first day I entered the cage, there 00:24:15.109 --> 00:24:18.970 were two lions. When they coughed, I was like 00:24:18.970 --> 00:24:24.519 shocked. And it was totally... The coughing is 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:29.940 like, like a human being coughs like during a 00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:32.880 COVID. It will be thousand times more than that. 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:37.460 The sound of the cough was pretty scary for the 00:24:37.460 --> 00:24:41.000 first two days. Then I got used to it. But I'm 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:44.480 saying, you know, as it is, people during COVID 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:46.400 were not getting out of their houses and here 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:49.380 you were trying to wrestle with lions in the 00:24:49.380 --> 00:24:52.000 peak of that hole. Were you vaccinated at the 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.799 time? Yes, we were vaccinated, but you know what 00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:58.259 happens. Even vaccinated people got it. My entire 00:24:58.259 --> 00:25:02.019 family was going there and treating lions because 00:25:02.019 --> 00:25:09.839 you don't know what happens. So out of 13 -14 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:13.680 minutes, only three of us volunteered. Because 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:16.740 everybody is scared, correct? But it's a different 00:25:16.740 --> 00:25:20.000 experience by itself. It's like I felt like... 00:25:20.990 --> 00:25:23.349 I felt that you were a COVID warrior during that 00:25:23.349 --> 00:25:27.670 time. No, but hats off to you, doctor, because, 00:25:27.670 --> 00:25:29.910 you know, at a point when the whole world was 00:25:29.910 --> 00:25:34.269 worried about the amount of people who are falling 00:25:34.269 --> 00:25:38.750 victim to COVID, you actually found within you 00:25:38.750 --> 00:25:42.750 the power to heal a lion which is inflicted with 00:25:42.750 --> 00:25:45.769 COVID and actually managed to save quite a few 00:25:45.769 --> 00:25:47.869 of them. Because these are the stories that never 00:25:47.869 --> 00:25:50.680 make it to the media because they don't. talk 00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:54.220 about these things at all the statistics are 00:25:54.220 --> 00:25:56.539 all about human interest stories whereas this 00:25:56.539 --> 00:25:59.259 is okay a lion died because of covid and that's 00:25:59.259 --> 00:26:03.559 it but like you said that yeah this is really 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:08.299 what differentiates so yeah at the same time 00:26:08.299 --> 00:26:11.259 there was i mean covid spread in the one of the 00:26:11.259 --> 00:26:15.299 bronx zoos in the u .s so you know what they 00:26:15.299 --> 00:26:18.700 did they just isolated the lions and nobody went 00:26:18.700 --> 00:26:22.559 near the lions for 20 days. Because they didn't 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:28.180 want to take a risk. Yeah. Here we wanted to 00:26:28.180 --> 00:26:34.740 treat them. No, I mean, it's so hard to... Yeah, 00:26:34.779 --> 00:26:36.759 I guess people will have their reasons and they 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:39.680 have very valid reasons for not going into the 00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:42.160 whole thing, but to show the kind of empathy 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:46.160 that you did and for so few people to know about 00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:48.910 this. I really hope the people who watch this 00:26:48.910 --> 00:26:52.089 understand, you know, there's this whole, I used 00:26:52.089 --> 00:26:54.930 to read these books when I was young about Gerald 00:26:54.930 --> 00:26:58.609 Durrell, this veterinarian who, Gerald Durrell's 00:26:58.609 --> 00:27:01.190 books, All Things Bright and Beautiful, All Creatures 00:27:01.190 --> 00:27:04.750 Great and Small, it was a vet in an English village. 00:27:05.230 --> 00:27:08.289 And that seemed like, you know, like an idyllic 00:27:08.289 --> 00:27:10.849 kind of life. It was one of those things where 00:27:10.849 --> 00:27:13.309 the only thing was waking up early in the morning, 00:27:13.390 --> 00:27:15.720 the cold and things like that. But what you're 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:20.519 giving me is primal. It's almost as if, you know, 00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:24.039 I can't even begin to imagine the kind of, you 00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:27.220 know, experiences that you have had. And it's 00:27:27.220 --> 00:27:30.180 not as if you'll expect gratitude in return or 00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:32.799 you'll expect that, you know, the animal doesn't 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:36.099 even know what is happening. And here you are 00:27:36.099 --> 00:27:39.700 after practicing veterinary science for what? 00:27:39.859 --> 00:27:45.039 30 years now almost and... Yeah, almost 22 years, 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:49.059 yeah. Wow. Hats off to you, doctor. I mean, it's 00:27:49.059 --> 00:27:52.140 wonderful to talk to you and just understand 00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:56.460 the depth of, you know, what it means to... There's 00:27:56.460 --> 00:27:58.240 one thing that people talk about in terms of 00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:01.859 a commitment to a career. And in most cases, 00:28:01.859 --> 00:28:03.880 the commitment to a career is staying up late 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.819 in the office. And it's not, you know, it's not 00:28:07.819 --> 00:28:11.029 about these kind of things where... Yes, your 00:28:11.029 --> 00:28:13.849 mind is utilized, but here it's like a combination 00:28:13.849 --> 00:28:16.789 of so many things. It's the mic is being utilized, 00:28:16.970 --> 00:28:18.970 the body, you have to diagnose, you have to treat, 00:28:19.049 --> 00:28:20.950 you have to figure out what is available and 00:28:20.950 --> 00:28:24.410 then still do it. So each one of these. So, okay, 00:28:24.470 --> 00:28:26.089 let's move on to something which is a little 00:28:26.089 --> 00:28:28.269 lighter. I think we've gone on to pretty heavy. 00:28:28.670 --> 00:28:32.710 What happens when you see the dogs and cats and 00:28:32.710 --> 00:28:35.990 how do you manage them, the urban owners that 00:28:35.990 --> 00:28:38.950 you happen to see on a regular basis? Oh my God, 00:28:38.950 --> 00:28:42.380 now it's you. yeah it seems to be i don't know 00:28:42.380 --> 00:28:44.980 how many people yeah i want to listen to this 00:28:44.980 --> 00:28:48.640 but with i'm talking about pet parents but the 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.839 craziest what i have noticed for the past i would 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:57.740 say 10 years is that you know those days of the 00:28:57.740 --> 00:29:08.549 dog taking care of the owner have gone if you 00:29:08.549 --> 00:29:12.490 see the owners perspective of treating the dog 00:29:12.490 --> 00:29:16.309 feeding the dog and at the start of the family 00:29:16.309 --> 00:29:19.750 yes agree this is where I think there should 00:29:19.750 --> 00:29:24.190 be a small line a demarcation on how to balance 00:29:24.190 --> 00:29:26.529 both but it is slowly gone to the other side 00:29:26.529 --> 00:29:31.150 now you won't believe we have had handful of 00:29:31.150 --> 00:29:36.170 divorce cases because of BPEC Now it is like, 00:29:36.230 --> 00:29:38.490 fighters, do you want me or the dog? Yes, it's 00:29:38.490 --> 00:29:43.150 obviously the dog, not you. My goodness! They 00:29:43.150 --> 00:29:46.369 kind of find this unconditional love from the 00:29:46.369 --> 00:29:49.450 pet and which they don't find from the opposite 00:29:49.450 --> 00:29:55.569 side, obviously. So now the dog has become an 00:29:55.569 --> 00:29:57.769 integral part of the family and it's more than 00:29:57.769 --> 00:30:02.390 that now. People have gone on to making more 00:30:02.390 --> 00:30:06.519 for these pets and not having pet suspects. So 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.519 it's become one step earlier, more and people 00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:12.480 are trying to do more than they can do. If you 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:16.099 notice out of, let us say, household, a row of 00:30:16.099 --> 00:30:18.660 10 houses that have dogs, I would be surprised 00:30:18.660 --> 00:30:20.799 that none of them actually bark at a stranger. 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:25.640 The breed, basically like Labradors and, you 00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:29.200 know, but fine, even once upon a time, they're 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:31.559 barking at strangers, but now it's totally gone. 00:30:31.930 --> 00:30:34.529 have built their own compound, cage, kennel systems. 00:30:34.829 --> 00:30:37.289 You take all the integrated cameras, surveillance, 00:30:37.589 --> 00:30:40.549 everything for the dog. Yeah. And it's crazy 00:30:40.549 --> 00:30:43.049 about some of the exotic species which are brought 00:30:43.049 --> 00:30:45.769 into, you know, environments which should not 00:30:45.769 --> 00:30:48.690 be... I mean, I've seen a husky here in Chennai, 00:30:48.710 --> 00:30:51.849 which I think is crazy for the dog, right? You 00:30:51.849 --> 00:30:54.849 can't be surviving in a... a tropical climate 00:30:54.849 --> 00:30:57.910 for a dog that is used to the arctic or something 00:30:57.910 --> 00:31:00.089 which is very the best part is it's been banned 00:31:00.089 --> 00:31:02.609 by the government but still in use and it is 00:31:02.609 --> 00:31:05.109 it's not a wise thing they cannot most of the 00:31:05.109 --> 00:31:07.049 huskies don't survey more than five six years 00:31:07.049 --> 00:31:10.210 here because so what do you think is happening 00:31:10.210 --> 00:31:12.430 doctor do you think that this has become more 00:31:12.430 --> 00:31:15.130 of a you know like you said the love for the 00:31:15.130 --> 00:31:19.589 dog has become more of a kind of a status symbol 00:31:19.589 --> 00:31:23.599 rather than a genuine affection for the species 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:28.000 or is it simply that look like I can flaunt my 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.920 car or I can flaunt something else I can flaunt 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:36.359 my dog yeah the status symbol yes it's been there 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:39.460 for historically dogs have been status symbols 00:31:39.460 --> 00:31:43.200 also not only now like if you go to the middle 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.359 east now like last time I went I could actually 00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:49.599 see one person racing penguins in the middle 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.539 of the desert. He's invested so much of money 00:31:52.539 --> 00:31:55.720 to build a small Arctic or Antarctic or whatever 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.160 you say, within say 2000 square feet for the 00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:01.059 birds. So likewise, they have fancy cheetahs 00:32:01.059 --> 00:32:03.140 and leopards because they don't know where to 00:32:03.140 --> 00:32:05.660 spend the money. Likewise, in India, we have 00:32:05.660 --> 00:32:08.380 status symbols. People always think that imported 00:32:08.380 --> 00:32:12.220 dogs, the fancy ones are always better, which 00:32:12.220 --> 00:32:14.599 is actually not the case. So veterinary science 00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:16.660 in India, how does it compare to the rest of 00:32:16.660 --> 00:32:19.069 the world? What is it that you have seen and 00:32:19.069 --> 00:32:21.589 how would you make an assessment? See, for a 00:32:21.589 --> 00:32:25.009 long time, veterinary science in India has been, 00:32:25.009 --> 00:32:27.750 you know, slowly accelerating. You still have 00:32:27.750 --> 00:32:30.190 to do a lot of things. Whereas when you compare 00:32:30.190 --> 00:32:35.049 abroad, anywhere in Europe or the US, the scenario 00:32:35.049 --> 00:32:38.349 is totally different. Now, the point is, almost 00:32:38.349 --> 00:32:41.250 all the dogs and all the pets abroad are insured 00:32:41.250 --> 00:32:44.549 medically. So, they have the medical insurance. 00:32:45.230 --> 00:32:47.609 So you want the best of the best to be done to 00:32:47.609 --> 00:32:51.009 your pet, right? All the costs, even though they're 00:32:51.009 --> 00:32:53.650 higher, they get actually reimbursed by the insurance 00:32:53.650 --> 00:32:56.869 company. So, but here we don't have the concept 00:32:56.869 --> 00:33:00.289 of insurance dogs. I guess even humans, it's 00:33:00.289 --> 00:33:07.670 slowly taking. If you ask your friends, they'll 00:33:07.670 --> 00:33:11.069 be, they have invested, they have invested lots 00:33:11.069 --> 00:33:14.970 in life insurances. Like what happens after you 00:33:14.970 --> 00:33:18.329 die? What is the big difference in whether we 00:33:18.329 --> 00:33:20.410 get one crore or one rupee or thousand million 00:33:20.410 --> 00:33:23.990 or one million after you die? These people nevertheless, 00:33:24.309 --> 00:33:27.049 these people having a proper medical insurance 00:33:27.049 --> 00:33:32.210 for their health. Whereas in abroad, I think 00:33:32.210 --> 00:33:35.990 life insurance is a bit lower, but they are more 00:33:35.990 --> 00:33:42.099 medically insured. So the paying intensity of 00:33:42.099 --> 00:33:44.039 the owner for particular diseases, everything 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:48.160 depends on, like, if a person from the US or 00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:50.940 Europe who's finished his DVM or his veterinary 00:33:50.940 --> 00:33:55.059 science there, he practices in India, so it's 00:33:55.059 --> 00:34:01.279 very, very difficult. Right. Yes. So you're now 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:04.279 a professor at the veterinary college. What is 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.000 your view of the people who are entering the 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.099 profession now and what is it that they seem 00:34:09.099 --> 00:34:11.780 to be? thinking about and what do they want to 00:34:11.780 --> 00:34:15.059 do with their lives? Okay, honestly, I would 00:34:15.059 --> 00:34:19.980 say somewhere around 10 to 15 % of the students 00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:23.039 who join now are seriously interested in written 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:27.820 science. I think the rest of the students are 00:34:27.820 --> 00:34:29.659 like me, who didn't want written science and 00:34:29.659 --> 00:34:34.059 they ended up here and all that. But, averagely, 00:34:34.059 --> 00:34:36.739 I've been seeing students, they have a long vision 00:34:36.739 --> 00:34:39.260 nowadays. They've been very clear on the future. 00:34:39.630 --> 00:34:41.789 For example, if you ask a 14 student on what 00:34:41.789 --> 00:34:43.710 they want to do, they will say, I want to do 00:34:43.710 --> 00:34:47.670 a PhD in microbiology. Right. So they have almost 00:34:47.670 --> 00:34:50.829 14 years left, but they're actually trying to 00:34:50.829 --> 00:34:54.030 make hold of the target. That's good, actually. 00:34:54.550 --> 00:34:56.789 So some of them want to go into veterinary science, 00:34:56.829 --> 00:34:58.969 some of them want to go into civil services, 00:34:59.190 --> 00:35:01.949 and some of them want to go into government jobs. 00:35:02.170 --> 00:35:04.469 So at the level of third, fourth year, they're 00:35:04.469 --> 00:35:09.429 very concentrated on their objective. Okay. Okay. 00:35:09.469 --> 00:35:13.309 And what do you think is the temperament of what 00:35:13.309 --> 00:35:15.369 is the ideal? Like you said, you know, it's not 00:35:15.369 --> 00:35:17.250 because you like animals or something that you 00:35:17.250 --> 00:35:20.329 got into it. But what do you think in order to 00:35:20.329 --> 00:35:23.869 be a good veterinarian? What is the kind of temperament 00:35:23.869 --> 00:35:26.250 that you ought to have? The investigative part 00:35:26.250 --> 00:35:28.789 was, you know, now that you mention it, it's 00:35:28.789 --> 00:35:32.389 obvious. But when you first brought it out, I 00:35:32.389 --> 00:35:35.530 thought it was a wonderful way of showing what 00:35:35.530 --> 00:35:37.909 are the things that... qualities that are innate 00:35:37.909 --> 00:35:44.269 that you need to have yeah so the like we talk 00:35:44.269 --> 00:35:47.190 so talk about temperament in dogs now sir has 00:35:47.190 --> 00:35:49.489 brought up the temperament and wits the topic 00:35:49.489 --> 00:35:56.010 so yeah you you have to have all qualities of 00:35:56.010 --> 00:36:00.289 a proper psychiatrist to begin with you'll have 00:36:00.289 --> 00:36:03.969 to have the patience to listen to what the owner 00:36:03.969 --> 00:36:07.519 is saying For example, you are asking, what happened? 00:36:08.139 --> 00:36:11.019 So the order starts from 5 .30 in the morning. 00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.739 So it's going to be a few minutes of a consultation 00:36:15.739 --> 00:36:19.099 rate, but you need to just sit straight and listen 00:36:19.099 --> 00:36:21.920 to them. Whether they are going to say the correct 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.480 history or not is a different question. So patience 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:28.780 is the first thing, temperament -wise. And number 00:36:28.780 --> 00:36:32.699 two is, you should have the inquisitiveness to... 00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.760 take this animal out of the thing. So that should 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:39.039 be our objective. Right. So it'll have to be 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:42.840 very, very sound in subjects and it'll have to 00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.139 be very, very sound in differential diagnosis, 00:36:45.460 --> 00:36:48.780 the way of how you use gadgets and how you interpret 00:36:48.780 --> 00:36:53.199 X -rays, ultrasounds and scans. So that will 00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:55.980 concentrate on the subject. And the third thing, 00:36:56.059 --> 00:36:58.820 you need to be actually brave because there's 00:36:58.820 --> 00:37:01.679 going to be a really, really fierce dog that 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.690 come into a clinic. And you need to do some treatment. 00:37:04.710 --> 00:37:08.630 So you have to physically pull and push. See, 00:37:08.690 --> 00:37:12.829 even the attenders are humans, correct? We cannot 00:37:12.829 --> 00:37:17.170 expect everyone to be brave. But for the client, 00:37:17.329 --> 00:37:19.730 if you're not going to be brave, he's going to 00:37:19.730 --> 00:37:25.130 go to another vet. So what are the techniques 00:37:25.130 --> 00:37:27.590 that you have learned? How do you handle a very 00:37:27.590 --> 00:37:29.869 fierce dog? What are the ways in which you try 00:37:29.869 --> 00:37:33.090 to calm them down? You have to establish some 00:37:33.090 --> 00:37:37.769 kind of a way of, you know. He has some gadgets 00:37:37.769 --> 00:37:40.989 which can actually help in controlling dogs. 00:37:41.130 --> 00:37:43.690 But point is, for everything, we need a collar, 00:37:43.809 --> 00:37:46.110 we need a leash, and we need somebody to pull, 00:37:46.190 --> 00:37:52.429 push. We have something called a sedative that 00:37:52.429 --> 00:37:54.869 works out very, very good. But even for the sedative 00:37:54.869 --> 00:37:57.949 to be given, it's a mode of injection. So, my 00:37:57.949 --> 00:38:01.780 idea of approach is, more than the dog, The owners 00:38:01.780 --> 00:38:04.960 will be seriously panicked. The dog will be keep 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:09.559 on barking at one decibel. And over that, the 00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:12.400 owners will be shouting. So it creates a big 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:17.500 commotion. Now what I do is quietly I ask them 00:38:17.500 --> 00:38:23.420 to wait on the reception. So that actually clears 00:38:23.420 --> 00:38:30.429 90 % of the job. So what do you say? In most 00:38:30.429 --> 00:38:33.530 cases, the owner is the problem, not the animal. 00:38:35.369 --> 00:38:38.369 I cannot tell that exactly out of the horse's 00:38:38.369 --> 00:38:43.030 mouth. Actually, yes. See, like if you get your 00:38:43.030 --> 00:38:47.510 kid, I am sure when your young parents and our 00:38:47.510 --> 00:38:49.809 kids keep on crying, we don't know what to do. 00:38:49.849 --> 00:38:51.550 We are very panicked. We take to the hospital. 00:38:52.210 --> 00:38:54.409 And for example, the doctor wants to take blood. 00:38:55.670 --> 00:38:59.480 He first asked us to wait outside. Because it's 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.840 very difficult handling both of them. But more 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:04.679 than the pediatrician here, a veterinarian's 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:09.159 job is seriously very, very cumbersome when tackling 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:12.320 the owners, shouting owners and the barking dogs. 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:21.239 Okay. It's kind of experiential learning. There's 00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:25.699 no textbook that will say that. Because all this 00:39:25.699 --> 00:39:29.739 management and... It's not, it's more of a psychological 00:39:29.739 --> 00:39:33.719 science, you know. And before even you can ask 00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.960 this question, I'm going to talk about cats. 00:39:37.179 --> 00:39:43.179 Right. Cats was on the list, yes. Please tell 00:39:43.179 --> 00:39:50.440 me. It hurt me. So, very difficult. So, what 00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:54.079 are we doing? Most of the cats we treat are inpatients. 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:57.329 We ask them to admit the cat. We take a list 00:39:57.329 --> 00:40:01.090 of the history. We actually say goodbye, bye 00:40:01.090 --> 00:40:04.829 over the reception. Then come back, take a serious 00:40:04.829 --> 00:40:07.210 look of the cat and treat the cat and all. That's 00:40:07.210 --> 00:40:11.369 the only way it works. Okay. So do you find exotic 00:40:11.369 --> 00:40:14.389 species in the cats as well? Or is that, you 00:40:14.389 --> 00:40:17.230 know, you get more of the normal look? Some of 00:40:17.230 --> 00:40:20.969 the cats down the lane called Bengal cats. Have 00:40:20.969 --> 00:40:24.900 you seen them? No, I haven't. I don't. I think 00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:28.219 they're more artificially made for this kind 00:40:28.219 --> 00:40:33.300 of indoor. You should see them. It's like a mini 00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:38.920 tiger or a mini leopard. My goodness. Much larger 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:40.960 than the normal cat is what you're saying? Bengal 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:45.739 cats? Yeah. Oh, okay. No, I haven't seen that. 00:40:45.820 --> 00:40:48.099 That is one of the so -called exotic species 00:40:48.099 --> 00:40:51.329 that's recently come in. And other radical cats, 00:40:51.570 --> 00:40:54.070 Persians, Persians if you take left and right. 00:40:55.010 --> 00:40:58.909 Now, all middle -income groups, if you see towards 00:40:58.909 --> 00:41:03.909 the northern side of Chennai, people who live 00:41:03.909 --> 00:41:06.949 in tax -gross so -called slums, they have Persians. 00:41:09.030 --> 00:41:14.050 And very lucky, low -income people who couldn't 00:41:14.050 --> 00:41:17.809 afford something called a balcony are starting 00:41:17.809 --> 00:41:29.590 to have pugs. Chinese invasion is into this pet 00:41:29.590 --> 00:41:37.070 practice also. Just in the mobile phones, okay? 00:41:37.789 --> 00:41:48.699 But that image that you... you know, drew of 00:41:48.699 --> 00:41:52.960 the Persian cat in Northern Chennai in a thatch 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.139 hut is an exact inversion of the James Bond movies 00:41:57.139 --> 00:41:59.519 where the villain used to stroke the cat in the 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:03.780 den, the Persian cat. It's like different environment. 00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:06.619 Now, like every other house, you got a Persian. 00:42:07.099 --> 00:42:10.980 It is like, it's like 15 to 20 ,000 per kitten, 00:42:11.059 --> 00:42:16.400 but they still afford that. Wow. So that is one 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:18.460 of the things. I think you must have also seen 00:42:18.460 --> 00:42:22.559 the uptick in the cat food and the dog food and 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.039 everything else that people are now, you know, 00:42:25.059 --> 00:42:28.179 there's a complete industry around that. When 00:42:28.179 --> 00:42:31.239 these industries come into play, they have a 00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:34.079 very good understanding. They have a team who 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.099 does R &D on this economics and how viable is 00:42:37.099 --> 00:42:41.559 it. So more than they spend on medical part or 00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:44.730 the veterinary part. They do spend the monkeys 00:42:44.730 --> 00:42:48.909 on accessories. So any powerful accessories hanging, 00:42:49.030 --> 00:42:52.269 they'll immediately think of the dog. And any 00:42:52.269 --> 00:42:56.289 person from the US will try to bring some attractive 00:42:56.289 --> 00:43:01.170 accessories. Even if it is available here, that's 00:43:01.170 --> 00:43:05.670 not a problem. It is a huge billion dollar industry. 00:43:06.269 --> 00:43:09.389 Yeah. And it's, I guess that's the other part 00:43:09.389 --> 00:43:13.440 that these days. people are looking at they lavish 00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.519 a lot of attention and love on their pets because 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:19.900 it's one of the things that they can do in like 00:43:19.900 --> 00:43:23.480 you said huh cats and dogs used to just grow 00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:26.500 up at home and be fed scraps from the table but 00:43:26.500 --> 00:43:29.500 these days that has changed completely you know 00:43:29.500 --> 00:43:32.059 the the whole the thing which is there where 00:43:32.059 --> 00:43:34.679 do you think this is going how do you how do 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.059 you see this how is your practice changed in 00:43:37.059 --> 00:43:40.619 the last 10 -15 years, you've seen these changes. 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.780 Honestly, good for us because we do good practice. 00:43:44.739 --> 00:43:47.659 It's not much of the money involved. We're able 00:43:47.659 --> 00:43:51.019 to read lots. For example, you get a vague brief. 00:43:51.099 --> 00:43:53.579 I need to read about the brief to take care of 00:43:53.579 --> 00:43:57.019 the brief. So it keeps us updating. Like I said, 00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:59.900 no two cases are going to be similar. Otherwise, 00:44:00.099 --> 00:44:03.360 like if you take a diabetologist, he will have 00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:07.679 a minimum of 40 cases per day. you know, in the 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:11.099 queue. And if seriously he's seen him working, 00:44:11.340 --> 00:44:15.639 it is terrible. So, he will not examine the patient. 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.739 He will not stand up. Maximum, he will have a 00:44:18.739 --> 00:44:20.980 pen and a paper. He will just jot down everything. 00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:24.179 For everybody, it will only be the same exercise 00:44:24.179 --> 00:44:28.880 and idli, upma food. Okay? But our case is slightly 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.300 different. The veteran is, if he actually enjoys 00:44:31.300 --> 00:44:34.659 the profession, it is actually very good. Right. 00:44:35.210 --> 00:44:38.150 No, the variety that you're talking of is phenomenal. 00:44:39.170 --> 00:44:44.829 Okay. So do you still attend cases for farm animals 00:44:44.829 --> 00:44:47.190 and things like that? That is part of the, or 00:44:47.190 --> 00:44:50.349 you don't find the time these days? We concentrate 00:44:50.349 --> 00:44:53.170 on only companion animals, that is dogs and cats. 00:44:53.789 --> 00:44:57.829 Dogs and cats, right. Okay. And the other thing, 00:44:57.849 --> 00:45:00.869 like you said, in rural, there are doctors now, 00:45:00.929 --> 00:45:03.070 veterinarians who are specifically meant for 00:45:03.070 --> 00:45:06.300 wild animals. And there are those who look at 00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:09.840 the more, let's say, the commercial, whether 00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.579 it's cattle or chicken. There's a separate thing 00:45:14.579 --> 00:45:18.440 for that? There are separate vets for poultry. 00:45:18.940 --> 00:45:22.659 For example, the complete vaccination programs, 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.559 you know, they deal with all diseases, post -mortem 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.659 and all. And it's again a huge industry by itself. 00:45:31.429 --> 00:45:34.269 But if you're going to actually show him a dog 00:45:34.269 --> 00:45:36.530 which is suffering from fever or vomiting, he 00:45:36.530 --> 00:45:41.110 cannot actually diagnose much on that. And it's 00:45:41.110 --> 00:45:43.309 a reverse. If you ask me about poultry, I don't 00:45:43.309 --> 00:45:46.650 know much. I know the basics, but not much. Okay. 00:45:46.849 --> 00:45:49.730 Okay. Well, it's nice. Like you said, the companion 00:45:49.730 --> 00:45:51.989 animals, there's almost like there's a whole 00:45:51.989 --> 00:45:54.650 set of things which come in, which is very clearly. 00:45:54.849 --> 00:45:58.349 What about birds? Do people have pet birds? Yeah. 00:45:59.610 --> 00:46:03.349 That is again, I think after the COVID, people 00:46:03.349 --> 00:46:07.750 have started to raise a lot of pets. Because 00:46:07.750 --> 00:46:11.469 now if you see, post -COVID, we've seen very 00:46:11.469 --> 00:46:14.989 huge increase in the Shih Tzu breeds which have 00:46:14.989 --> 00:46:18.429 come. And small breeds that can be raised in 00:46:18.429 --> 00:46:22.449 the flat. And exotic birds, they start off from 00:46:22.449 --> 00:46:27.570 African parrots to budgeris, tall colored birds. 00:46:28.730 --> 00:46:32.050 But that is an offense. It's not very legal that 00:46:32.050 --> 00:46:35.289 people breed them and have in cages. So when 00:46:35.289 --> 00:46:37.909 I get a case of all these colored birds in a 00:46:37.909 --> 00:46:41.530 cage, I will very quietly advise them to release 00:46:41.530 --> 00:46:46.630 off near the zoo or in a forest area. I will 00:46:46.630 --> 00:46:49.809 up to them and it has happened also. It's not 00:46:49.809 --> 00:46:53.010 fair in curtailing a bird and treating that. 00:46:53.130 --> 00:46:57.820 It never works like that. Wow! This has been 00:46:57.820 --> 00:47:01.599 quite a journey, doctor. I think it's an hour 00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:07.079 and I've not known it bypass because you... It's 00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:09.760 been a real pleasure talking to you. Thank you 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:13.340 for sparing the time and for giving us a glimpse 00:47:13.340 --> 00:47:17.179 of such a different life because one tends to 00:47:17.179 --> 00:47:21.340 think of vets as having very gentle, quiet, but 00:47:21.340 --> 00:47:24.820 the way you depicted it is something where you're 00:47:24.820 --> 00:47:28.280 learning something new every day. And the contrast 00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:33.019 between the owners and the pets, the way life 00:47:33.019 --> 00:47:35.599 itself has changed over the past 20, 30 years, 00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.840 and how pets have come into the family and brought 00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:41.780 about a massive change, even within family ties. 00:47:42.139 --> 00:47:45.099 Okay. Thank you for sparing the time. And what 00:47:45.099 --> 00:47:48.800 is your advice to people who are looking to join 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:51.260 or get into veterinary science? What would you 00:47:51.260 --> 00:47:56.619 ask them to be most prepared for? Yeah. So I 00:47:56.619 --> 00:47:58.900 have been having a lot of people and students, 00:47:59.019 --> 00:48:02.260 relatives, friends, you know, friends, sons and 00:48:02.260 --> 00:48:05.179 daughters who always want like animals. They 00:48:05.179 --> 00:48:07.960 are, you know, towards not like an animal activist, 00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:10.980 but they are fond of animals. But that actually 00:48:10.980 --> 00:48:15.460 qualify for to become a vet again. So like I 00:48:15.460 --> 00:48:18.099 have asked him to come to the hospital, just 00:48:18.099 --> 00:48:21.179 be with it for one or two hours, see what we 00:48:21.179 --> 00:48:23.800 do, what work. Then I think most of the people 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:27.050 change their minds. Yeah. So only people who 00:48:27.050 --> 00:48:29.590 have a strong heart and if they see diseases, 00:48:29.750 --> 00:48:33.570 for example, you see a dog and it grits 20 times 00:48:33.570 --> 00:48:35.369 per day, but you need to treat them. You don't 00:48:35.369 --> 00:48:38.769 have to become an animal lover for that. You 00:48:38.769 --> 00:48:41.429 just have a conscience and go ahead with the 00:48:41.429 --> 00:48:47.550 treatment. And I would definitely encourage kids 00:48:47.550 --> 00:48:49.289 to join veterinary science because it's a different 00:48:49.289 --> 00:48:51.909 profession. And as you know, at the end of the 00:48:51.909 --> 00:48:54.909 day, any profession, it is... how you take it 00:48:54.909 --> 00:49:00.650 up and how you put it forward. Okay. Wonderful. 00:49:01.010 --> 00:49:03.869 Thank you for sparing this time and giving us 00:49:03.869 --> 00:49:10.389 such a deeply felt, experienced and compassionate 00:49:10.389 --> 00:49:14.630 glimpse of the kind of life that you have led, 00:49:14.710 --> 00:49:16.889 Dr. Parneda. Thank you for everything that you 00:49:16.889 --> 00:49:22.730 do. Thank you for the acts of grace that I don't 00:49:22.730 --> 00:49:24.969 think people are seeing. You're really managing 00:49:24.969 --> 00:49:28.170 the arc. And the sad part is that there aren't 00:49:28.170 --> 00:49:30.110 too many people who see what's actually happening. 00:49:30.289 --> 00:49:32.909 Thank you for watching. Yes, thank you. Thanks 00:49:32.909 --> 00:49:37.250 a lot, sir. That was Dr. Bharni Dharan and what 00:49:37.250 --> 00:49:40.829 an experience it has been to understand the life 00:49:40.829 --> 00:49:43.489 of a veterinarian, which we think by reading 00:49:43.489 --> 00:49:45.530 some of the books and bestsellers that they are 00:49:45.530 --> 00:49:49.170 gentle, easy professions. But like he said, spend 00:49:49.170 --> 00:49:52.769 time in a clinic, not as an owner, but as the 00:49:52.769 --> 00:49:56.219 doctor. and understand what is really involved 00:49:56.219 --> 00:50:01.840 in pursuing a career in veterinary science. Next 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.539 week, we'll have a group of youngsters. We're 00:50:05.539 --> 00:50:07.820 planning to do this on a monthly basis where 00:50:07.820 --> 00:50:10.300 we talk to three young people who are setting 00:50:10.300 --> 00:50:14.920 out into their careers and then decide what is 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:19.199 it that they want to do from here on. Next week, 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:21.480 see you once again.