Hello, hello, this is Zulema Gomez here for the bold and the brave.
Hi, Hobson.
Thanks for joining.
Hi, Zulema.
Thank you for having me.
I'm very excited to be here.
Oh my goodness.
I have been so excited for you to join us on a more regular basis on
the podcast and co-host and host moving forward.
But since you are coming back and I think you were here maybe one
or two podcasts ago, I wonder if there's anything you'd like to
share about yourself and why you're in this civic space.
I am the operations and special initiatives associate with the
National Parent Leadership Institute and the head of the legislative
advocacy and policy team.
We do a lot of legislative advocacy work.
I'm also in law school and I've been involved in political campaigns
throughout different parts of my career.
Civic engagement, advocacy, all of those things are right in my alley.
I'm very excited for the conversations we're going to have today, but
also that we're going to be having going forward.
Yes, I have the wonderful privilege of working with Hobson and is a
fellow policy nerd like many of us at MPLI.
So welcome.
And for those who don't know me, I am Zulema Gomez and I am the
director of implementation and capacity building at MPLI.
We really wanted to take the time today to talk a little bit about
what's happening in policy and politics.
As parent leaders, as civic leaders, it's always important to pay
attention what's happening in federal government, maybe some things
that are happening at the local level.
And then there's some important work that we are doing at MPLI that
we'd love to highlight.
And then of course, we have some important honorable mention kind
of dates and holidays coming up that we honor in different ways as
civic leaders.
But I know Hobson, you're in Atlanta.
You all got a bunch of snow.
How are you faring with this weather?
How are you doing?
We're actually doing fairly well.
We were very concerned.
We got like five inches of snow, which is the most I've ever seen
in Atlanta, but I actually saw a snow plow truck in Atlanta and
it really helped because the roads are drivable.
So it's great.
But yeah, we're hanging in there.
Yeah, these are the days to appreciate like the folks who are
keeping our cities going right.
The infrastructure going.
100%.
You don't realize how much goes into getting one plow truck into
the city, especially when you're not a place that often has snow.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think on the opposite end of the spectrum in California,
we're sort of like in a different place.
Many folks have heard about the fires, several fires that are
happening in LA.
We have some strong winds again today and are expecting the
containment to be a little bit more difficult, but we've heard
a lot from folks checking in.
A lot of people know I'm in California, Southern California,
and we are not in LA County.
We're in San Diego County, but definitely our neighbors, our
community is rallying a lot to help those who have been affected
by fires.
And if you are someone who is interested in helping, there
are many organizations to give to directly that are helping
with folks who have been completely displaced have lost
their homes and we're happy to share more information on that,
but just feeling a lot of gratitude and appreciation for
check-ins, but also for our neighbors and other states and
other countries, right?
We've seen Canadian and Mexican firefighters that have come in
in large numbers to help out and just feeling so much gratitude
for the community that's here to help in LA.
Yeah.
So Hobson, you know, these are some of things that are happening
locally in our communities, but I wonder as a civic leader,
if there are any things that you're paying attention to either
at the federal level that you think we should highlight in
this conversation, what's coming up as far as this new administration
coming in?
Yeah, for me, it's definitely going to be about the confirmation
of these cabinet appointments and seeing who's going to be running
a lot of our executive agencies in 2025 and going forward.
And then also just looking at the balance of Congress right now
and the Supreme Court and what a 2026 midterm election looks
like. So I'm thinking a little bit ahead, but also thinking
kind of in the here and now and figuring out a pathway to move
forward. How about you?
Yeah, I think the appointments will are on my mind, the cabinet
appointments. This week there are hearings happening.
So I think there are a few key names that we're going to hear
that are potentially going to oversee large departments in
our country that definitely will have a trickle-down impact
into our local communities.
I know that there are a couple that I'm thinking about quite
a bit and paying attention to.
I wonder if there's a couple for you.
I'm looking specifically at, for example, Scott Turner, who
would be looking at leading HUD or Housing and Urban Development
and Robert F. Kennedy, who is sort of got tagged in for overseeing
Health and Human Services.
I wonder if there's anyone else on your mind that we can sort
of start to sort through and check in on.
Yeah, I mean, I'm thinking about Linda McMahon, who's said to
be the Education Secretary and Laurie Chavez de Rameur, who is
said to be the Labor Secretary.
Both of them have some interesting policy perspectives and
have been the topic of discussion in terms of whether or
not they're going to be getting confirmed for the cabinet.
But I do want to, I feel like this is something that I never
took a moment to actually like look up.
What is like, what is the cabinet?
You know, what does the cabinet do?
What is their role?
So I actually went to White House, Whitehouse.gov, and it kind of
lays out the different roles of the executive branch.
And for cabinet, it just says the cabinet is an advisory body
made up of the heads of 15 executive departments.
They're appointed by the president, confirmed by the Senate,
and the members of the cabinet are often the president's
closest confidants.
They run major federal agencies and play an important role in
the presidential line of succession.
So that gives you kind of, viewers, that gives you a little
bit of an idea about the role that some of these folks are
going to be playing, but also the importance that they have,
especially in that succession line.
These folks are folks that might be leaders of the country.
So they're just very interesting and important to recognize
and be aware of those cabinet leaders, I think.
And there's a process, right?
So just because the president has appointed or the president
elect has appointed or selected members of the cabinet,
it doesn't mean that they will be in that place, right?
So there is a whole hearing confirmation process, background
checks, things like that, that have already eliminated some
early appointees in the last month or so.
But then, you know, we have other folks moving forward to
the hearing process.
So I think that's important to say that, yes, they've been
appointed, selected, but not yet confirmed.
There's a process to that still.
Yep, yep, yep.
And I think this kind of goes to my other concern around
the balance of Congress right now.
This general concern that we've had from the founding of our
country between efficiency and tyranny.
Right now, the Republicans have control over both houses of
Congress, the presidency, and the Supreme Court.
What that does on the positive side is that it gives the
Republican Party opportunities to pass legislation with little
to no resistance, right?
Because in order to get a bill passed, you have to get 50%
in one chamber, get it over to the other chamber, get it passed
in that chamber, then get it to the president's desk.
Republicans have both of those chambers, also have the
presidency.
And then in the event that somebody thought that that bill
was unconstitutional, the Republicans also have control
of the Supreme Court.
And so right now, there's not much avenue for contesting
Republican legislation outside of pulling some Republican
votes if you can.
So it's just an interesting place to be in, especially when
you're looking at the other side of the coin of tyranny, of
not having that checks and balances available.
Having another party that has a say, it just means that 2026
midterm election is going to be even more important.
Right, if we don't have, if our values don't align with the
things that the Republican Party is doing.
Yeah.
Oh, go ahead.
No, I was just going to say, yeah, I mean, I think it's
going to be important even if you want to maintain and keep
this majority, right?
It's just going to be a pivotal election for both sides to
either keep that power or try to take some of it away.
Yeah, and I think because of that, there are a lot of political
analysts that are predicting that there will be a lot of policy
new laws that will be passed in the next two years because of
that potential flip.
So I think paying attention to what's coming down the line as
always will be important.
It was interesting you talked about the sort of control of
the Supreme Court.
I think it's important to say that no party or president can
dictate what the Supreme Court does.
However, if we again are paying attention to pattern and value
alignment, we see very conservative members of the
Supreme Court and a lot of stripping away of a variety of
human rights and civil rights that have happened just in the
last few years.
So I think it is fair to say that a lot of things are aligned
right now for the Republicans more conservative policies.
Yeah, and then to your point, historically, the Supreme Court
has had political leanings, but they have also been susceptible
to societal pressures as well.
So, you know, this isn't a conversation to say that all hope
is lost, right?
There's still advocacy that can be done and again, all hope is
lost if you're not aligned, but it could be the greatest thing
ever for you.
So, you know, there's still opportunities for advocacy and
having your voice heard, you know, so keep pushing if that's
where you are.
Yeah, I think where there's hope is that there's a lot that
could be done on the local and state level to really protect
communities from some of the larger federal decisions either
from the Supreme Court or from legislators at the federal
level.
So sometimes there are laws that are passed at the federal
level, but counties, cities and states will create their own
laws sort of like buffer the impact and we saw this around
the overturning of Roe v.
Wade and how there were states that immediately put it to
citizen vote to protect reproductive rights for people,
right within those states.
I think if you're seeing that as we're paying attention, it
might be time to organize or join coalitions and organizations
that are doing that work of trying to really create protections
after these laws are passed.
So I think I'm with you.
I'm always in a place of hope.
Maybe not initially like let's be honest and human.
I have definitely shed tears for decisions that have been
made, but then very quickly have found community and places
where I can put my energies and I think the case here and even
as we were looking at some of the cabinet appointments, there's
one where I find a little bit more hope based on some of
their actions and we have to remember that just because
someone is Republican or Democrat, they're not always
making the best decisions for our community despite the
party, right?
And you mentioned Laurie Chavez de Remer who would be overseeing
labor, right?
So she could become the labor secretary and is someone who
has historically been pro-union, pro-labor, pro-workforce in
some of the policies and laws that she's tried to have passed.
So I think there's some positive there and some history there.
What we don't know is how she'll align to what the administration
overall policies have been which have been very anti-workforce,
very anti-regulation when it comes to building and businesses
and so there's a little bit of what feels like a contradiction
and values.
So it'll be really interesting to see what this potential
secretary, Laurie Chavez does in light of the administration
that's pulling her in.
Yeah, and I think similarly on that, I think there's a lot of
discussion around the Trump administration wanting to get
rid of the Department of Education as we know they've won
the presidency, but they've also appointed an education
secretary and Linda McMahon who you know, long-time owner of
the WWE and a long-time advocate and someone who is highly
involved in the education space.
So she's someone who's very much advocate for school choice,
but she's somebody who definitely has been involved in
education and implementing system education throughout
the country.
Yeah, I think she has definitely been very school choice,
pro-charger school.
So if you're a parent leader that's aligned with some of
those values, I think this is someone that might be an advocate.
I do think it's important to talk about what school choice
means and really specifically through that conservative
lens. It hasn't always meant just freedom to take your kids
to whatever school they want, right?
In some cases, school choice has also led to stripping away
the choice for materials and curriculum similar to a lot of
the work that Moms for Liberty do.
It doesn't mean that it's Liberty for All.
It really just means actually stripping away liberties to
read whatever young people want to read.
And so I think this is just another reminder that we need to
pay attention.
We might hear words like, oh, they're all for school choice.
Great.
We're good.
I can tap out and that's not what this means, right?
If anything, we have to always dig in and see what we're
learning about folks.
I think Robert F.
Kennedy is another one of these appointees that, you know,
we hear a lot of conflicting things, but it's important to
do research.
Robert F.
Kennedy potentially become the Secretary of Health and Human
Services talks a lot about health, but it's important to
look at his history and how he impacts.
There was another letter that went out today in the New York
Times where health officials from all across the country
thousands are calling for him not to be confirmed in this
position.
There's great concerns, but then there was recently a letter
of support from 800 health officials.
So again, it's important to look at like why do these health
officials support someone like Robert F.
Kennedy for this place and why do these thousands not like
what is it in his body of work is advocacy and there might
be some alignment and values for us as parent leaders and
some of the things he says, but let's look at process and
and how science has come into some of that work as well.
Yeah, 100% and I think that one of the appointees that I'd
like to highlight that you kind of spoke to earlier with
Scott Turner who's said to be the Secretary for the Department
of Housing and Urban Development.
He's actually the Trump administration's highest ranking
black person that has been selected up until this point and
he's a former NFL player.
I didn't find much about his work in housing and urban
development specifically, but you know, I'm sure that he'll
have some policies that align with the Trump administration's
but it'll be interesting to see what policies come out of
that branch or that agency as well over the next few years,
especially given the lack of documented experiences out there.
So there's something to consider and also just to re-emphasize
this process point.
The Senate are the ones who confirm these appointees
opportunity for advocacy as the MPLI advocacy guy, right?
Call your senators.
Tell them to encourage other senators to vote yes or no for
the appointees that you believe are good or bad for the country.
There's always an opportunity to have your voice heard and
especially with an administration that has consolidated
so much power.
It can be even more important to have your voice heard in
situations like this, even if it's to go from one Trump
appointee to a different Trump appointee or to make sure that
RF Kennedy gets the Health and Human Services Secretary position.
Whatever your position is, your voice is definitely needed
in this process.
Hobson, I think that's so important and so for example,
let's take Scott Turner.
So potentially this is someone who will oversee section 8
affordable housing development housing vouchers and really
look at all policies tied to housing, right?
So if I am someone who's really passionate about affordable
housing or making sure that section 8 budget expands, I
would call my senator.
It's you won't your senator won't pick up right there.
Not going to pick up the phone, but you might hear from an
aide and all you have to do is say my name is my goodness.
I live in this district and I want senator so-and-so to oppose
the confirmation or or approve and for these reasons, right?
And so these calls add up and they keep those Kelly's does
it always sway a senator or a legislator not always but we've
heard from a lot of legislators who will ask how many oppose
how many calls have I received around this and it can help
inform the decision.
So I think it's a really good reminder of like how we can
take action on things that feel so large and out of our reach
but that they impact us directly all of us depend on housing
and definitely affordable housing would be nice.
So if this is something you're passionate about these are
the calls that you can make or emails very quick emails,
right doesn't have to be your life story or all the data
research. I'll go if you have some of that link it but sometimes
they're just looking for the yeses and nays when it comes
to those calls and it can help sway sometimes.
Yeah, 100% and like you said advocacy is an ongoing process.
So even if it doesn't help sway the first time establishing
relationship with your senator's office can never be a bad thing.
So I definitely encourage you all to get involved if you can
is there anything else around the new administration?
I know we have the inauguration coming up.
I think the results of the election were just certified
last week with no, you know, we have to say this now.
There was no sorts of crazy happenings with the certification
just clean clear drama no violence no insurrections vice
president Kamala Harris did what she was appointed to do,
right, which is to certify this and I think was a great
example of what this process should look like and hopefully
this continues forever after this seamless process.
The inauguration is next Monday.
So it's January 20th.
I think I had mentioned to you it this is for me always
feels like a teaching moment as a parent.
I have kept my son from attending school to witness the full
inauguration, you know one year we received an email from
a teacher that said that we're going to show the inauguration
and so I think that was great.
It was great to have a teacher in partnership, but for me
it's important especially with this last cycle now that my
son is older in 2020.
I wanted him to witness the first female vice president
see that live and the speeches the swearing in and all the
celebrity guests what was beautiful about that was all the
wonderful diversity reflected at that event this year.
We just have this conversation this weekend around watching
what we might see who might be on how it might be different
or similar though. I might not keep him from school this year.
I think it'll be important to have a conversation when I
pick him up in school.
You'll be able to see it.
It's a day off.
It's a holiday Martin Luther King day.
So that'll be great.
So I don't have to keep him from school.
But yeah, so we want to witness that life.
Sorry.
No, no, it's going to be interesting for me.
I always compare the different tones of the speeches of the
incumbent or the president sitting president and then the
incumbent president and kind of how that transition happens
and then also comparing like, you know, like Joe Biden's
inauguration in 2020 even to Donald Trump's last inauguration
in 2016.
Like what are going to be the differences between how Donald
sounded in 2016 to how he's sounding now in 2024, right?
You know, what are what are how is he going to express his
plans for the country?
There's been a lot of concerns around some of the ways he's
expressed that and then there's been a lot of excitement around
some of the plans that he's had, right?
So I think as always with Donald Trump his words and the
energy that he brings is going to be the news of that day.
And so I'm interested to see I wouldn't say I'm necessarily
excited, but I am interested to see what that's like and what
those differences are.
Yeah, and we're possible.
I think the reason why we encourage to watch live is that
you're not getting you're getting the full context, right?
Sometimes you can listen to the news cycle or watch the news
later that day, but you're going to hear clips without context.
You're going to hear a reporter say something their own opinion
often and then a clip of something and so where possible watching
live or reading the full transcripts allows us to make decisions
around sort of like move with energy what we're hearing about
policy.
I think that's why it's so important to encourage if you can
listen or watch live rather than just leaning on like what the
media is going to feed us right unless it's a trusted source.
And even then, you know, I always recommend all sides.com
as the place that will give you the news sort of like the
center of you when it comes to news and I'm sure there's other
resources around fact-checking but you don't have to fact-check
as much as if you're watching live and if you hear something
that is like you're kind of questionable then you can go to
factcheck.org or you know, do your own research at the moment
and there's a lot a lot of fact-checking that has to be done
with this incoming president.
So we know that there's historical numbers around how much
fact-checking happens anytime he speaks and I think that's the
work that we do as parent leaders as well.
We have to do our research just because they're throwing out
numbers and dates and names will be important to develop those
research and skills in these coming years.
Yes. Yeah.
No, I mean, and I think folks often underestimate the power
of a quick Google search.
Like you said, I think that you can there's going to be a lot
of things that are going to come up with the Google search,
right? But I think if you get one source on either side of
an issue and then one that's in the middle that way you can
formulate your own opinion, right?
You I wouldn't go into the research thinking I'm going to
read something and then that's going to be my opinion for the
rest of forever but go into it with an open mind, you know,
I want to look at this side.
I want to look at this side and then I want to develop my image
of the world based on the information I've gotten.
So I love that you brought that up.
I think it's going to be vitally important over the next four
years and even, you know, even past that irregardless of this
administration.
That's right.
I think it's just like with the age of social media with the
how easily information is manipulated nowadays.
It just takes fact-checking and checking your sources in order
to be a educated and informed decision-maker in this country.
Right.
Yeah, I mean even just looking up some of these cabinet
appointees.
It started with Google, right?
So you enter the name and the three main sources that I relied
on as I was looking down the list.
I ignored Wikipedia not to say that they're never trusted,
but we know that those things can be edited by regular people
for very many different reasons, but looked at the Associated
Press looked at CNN and looked at BBC and all of them had similar
things, but all of them have something different by BBC has
a different perspective on American politics, which I always
enjoy and Associated Press is very usually very factual just
what's been said and you know, a lot of really good sources
there, but I appreciate the Google start right?
Like where do I start to start with Google and look at what
sponsored content at the top and then keep going after that,
but I think these are skills that we want to model to our
children or to other young people because as you said in
this age of social media, this isn't actually getting better
for us right to find trusted sources.
If anything, it's getting worse.
We just saw Mark Zuckerberg who owns Metta right Facebook
and Instagram just talked about removing censorship which are
about to make a lot of those faces even less trustworthy
sources and we've already seen that with people posting that
Mark Zuckerberg has done this or that all of which are lies
but really in an attempt to poke fun at this incoming like
new policy around removing censorship.
So those are definitely places not to rely on for sources.
Yeah, and just just to maybe put a tie tie up the bias conversation
and verifying sources.
I think one you mentioned all sides.com earlier one resource
that they have that I utilize a lot is the media bias chart.
So it's just a chart that it has all of these different media
outlets and their different political biases on a scale from
way left-leaning to central to way right-leaning.
This helps me when I'm doing this research and I find a piece
of information that maybe I'm like, oh this sounds great.
I'm like, oh this sounds crazy, you know, I'll go onto the side
and be like is okay.
This was one of those super left-leaning sites.
So, you know, let me just take this with a grain of salt.
They might be doing, you know, trying to manipulate how I'm
looking at the situation, right?
And so just being aware of that I think is very very important
to swap.
How's that? Can you tell me if you're looking at the tool in
real time the three sources that I listed where do they fall
on that vines chart?
I'm really curious.
So I listed Associated Press, BBC and CNN.
So CNN is center left looking at you said BBC, right?
BBC is BBC is actually Center and Associated Press is also
center left.
That's interesting.
Okay, so I'm central left, but you know, I could probably do
some more work to go more central.
Very interesting.
Thank you.
Very interesting tool.
So we talked about the inauguration happening on Martin
Luther King Day.
If you're not watching the inauguration and doing other
things, hopefully to honor Martin Luther King Day.
I wonder what does this holiday usually look like for you outside
of like this other thing that's overlapping, right?
Are you planning on doing anything for Martin Luther King Day?
Well, so I'll give you a two-part answer, right?
When I was growing up, my grandma used to always Martin Luther
King Day was like one of those gift holidays where she would
give us books from Martin Luther King or Malcolm X and we
would read.
That's something that I did for like first maybe 17 18 years
in my life.
Obviously, they were increasingly increasing difficulty
of reading level, right?
It wasn't the same little books, but nowadays it's really just
more about spending time with my family and having some of
those conversations.
My aunt who my grandma's sister, she loves to have us over
for like a family game night and we like to play games like
Black Heart Revoked and different like Black History kind
of games, which is fun and in its own right and just kind of
gives us an opportunity to fellowship and eat some good
food and have some fun together while talking about Black
History.
That's wonderful.
I love the way your family honors that those are all like
really great ways to like honor but also to be with family
and it feels like a like a true holiday.
That's beautiful.
It's wonderful.
Thank you.
What about you?
What do you guys?
Yeah for it's different things.
We always listen to Dr.
King's I have a dream speech in the car.
So we always listen to that speech on the way dropping my
kiddo off to school.
So we make sure that we hear it or watch it like on YouTube,
but there's always projects going on in the community.
So it might be like a cleanup but it's a day of service.
And so I look to see who's doing something so that I can be
a part of that.
So I'll be doing that this week to see who's doing a specific
project and joining in for a couple of hours.
So making sure that so service I think is a part of that but
also making sure that my son is fully, you know, again every
year his understanding of what that speech means changes and
so does mine depending on what's happening in the global
context.
It is a deep reminder of how much work we have to do to
ensure that dream comes true for all of us and sometimes it's
a great place to see like I think Dr.
King would be proud right and many of his contemporaries
of some of the work that's happening.
So it just depends on where I am emotionally on that day of
the year where I can hear that speech often.
Reflect on with a lot of the different terminals that have
happened over the last few years and there's been a lot of
conversations about needs for new racial reckonings and all
of this but I do often sit with the reality that there are a
lot of our ancestors who would be ecstatic to see the world
that has been created.
We're not necessarily where we want to be but compared to
where we were and what they were fighting through a lot of
progress has been made.
So I think that's important to reflect on and sit with on
the day as well.
Yeah, that's a good reminder.
Absolutely.
Yeah, and I think speaking of the work, there's a lot of
things that we are doing at MPLI, you know, like we focus
a lot on racial justice and racial equity, but there are
many projects that we're working on and I know we wanted
to highlight at least one or two of those that really allow
us to sort of show how parent leaders, civic leaders continue
to move the needle for children and families in our country,
different parts of the country.
Is there anything that you're particularly excited about
that's in your sort of like project sphere at MPLI?
Yeah, so we are actually doing some work with the Central
Ohio Parent Leadership Training Institute to bring advocacy
training and trip to the capital to their community.
So what that entails is we're going to have a four-part
virtual training series teaching parents the ins and outs
of the legislative process on how to research and prepare
for advocacy doing research, how to write a pitch and how
to deliver that pitch and then we're actually going to take
them to the capital and give them an opportunity to advocate
to some of their legislators on, you know, a series of bills
that they've expressed some interest at.
This is our third official trip to the capital, our second
one with an actual advocacy curriculum that we've built
out. This curriculum has evolved over time, has taken a
lot of great feedback from some of our trainees.
But yeah, so I'm just very excited for that.
This is set to be our biggest trip yet.
I think it's going to be great.
So I'm excited.
What's a lot of moving parts for sure, and I always see
your passion for the topic through this project.
I can tell that's really where your passion is.
I'm excited to see how it goes.
I'm just wishing you so much luck and hopefully I can
support in any way to help make that come together in a
way that you're happy with.
What about you?
What's going on in your neck of the woods?
I think one thing to highlight, you know, part of the work
that we do is the implementation of the Parent Leadership
Training Institute in local communities, which is that
civics and democracy training for parent leaders and
advocates for children and families and the work just
keeps growing.
I was just in Sacramento a couple of weeks ago for their
retreat, Sacramento, California, and it was their fourth
cohort, but their second cohort in Spanish and it was
so amazing to see the diversity in the Hispanic community
that was there, the different reasons why folks join PLTI
and community just kept coming up.
I'm here because I feel isolated or this is my third week
in this country and I knew that I would learn more or find
a community and you know, I think we were only like 20 minutes
in and there were tears everywhere, but it was just so beautiful
to see both the growth of PLTI in this particular community,
but another reminder of what PLTI does.
It's not just about advocacy training and that is the primary
focus, right? Increased civic engagement, but that community
piece cannot be taken for granted and I don't think we
highlight that enough when we talk about PLTI.
So I just wanted to highlight one, the growth, but a reminder
that for many, if we're thinking of doing outreach and marketing
for PLTI, if you're someone in a community that's interested
in joining a Parent Leadership Training Institute, the community
that you walk away with at the end of those 20 weeks, it's
like family in the best sense of the word.
So family is a trough word for you.
Know that in PLTI, family becomes a place of like true connection
and support that allows you to not just move good community
work forward and change forward, but it has allowed for people
to make individual changes for themselves, right? To go back
to school, to learn new languages.
It's just been amazing.
So yeah, just celebrating the great growth of PLTI.
I love that.
I don't know how I can follow up such a great monologue
like that.
Well, I was going to ask, because I think next month you and
Melvette have like a really interesting topic planned.
Do you want to just give a little quick preview about that?
Yeah, we're going to be discussing housing policy and
movement of housing policy in America, talking about what policies
are going into effect.
What are some parent leaders doing in the area of housing?
So it's going to be a great conversation.
We're going to invite a couple of parent leaders from our great
work into the conversation.
So it should be great.
Hopefully we will see you all there.
That would be exciting.
Yeah, we are planning on having parent leaders or couple parent
leaders who are going to join us on the podcast and speak to
some of the work that they're doing in the area of housing
and moving policy around housing.
Well, this is great conversation.
Thank you so much, Hobson.
I really appreciate you just like talking about what's been
happening.
I look forward to like how you give deeper context to what
all of this means for us and how it all works and by it all
we're talking about policy and politics in this country civics.
So just excited to have your great expertise in the space.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me and I look forward to working with
you and Moveda and the great parent leaders over the next
few months.
So thanks for having me.
Absolutely.
Bye.