WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.400 It is possible to be thankful every moment every 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:08.460 day. It is possible to be thankful every moment 00:00:08.460 --> 00:00:15.880 every day. It takes practice and humility. Hi 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:19.000 and welcome back to Tell Me What Happened, the 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:21.940 podcast that features people from all walks of 00:00:21.940 --> 00:00:25.019 life telling stories from their childhood and 00:00:25.019 --> 00:00:27.780 then explaining how those stories have impacted 00:00:27.780 --> 00:00:31.559 their lives today. I'm your host, Jay Rehaq, 00:00:31.980 --> 00:00:34.600 and like you, I've had my share of childhood 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:36.920 experiences that have impacted me as an adult. 00:00:37.979 --> 00:00:41.100 Tell Me What Happened is sponsored by Sideline 00:00:41.100 --> 00:00:44.140 Inc. 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His marketing company, 00:01:25.730 --> 00:01:29.090 Multipoint Content Strategies, works with a variety 00:01:29.090 --> 00:01:33.030 of businesses using podcasting as a tool in the 00:01:33.030 --> 00:01:35.689 toolbox of marketing assets to grow business. 00:01:36.730 --> 00:01:40.890 Jeff also hosts his own podcast, In Your Words, 00:01:41.329 --> 00:01:43.969 which sheds light on the virtues and values of 00:01:43.969 --> 00:01:45.750 business to business and business to consumer 00:01:45.750 --> 00:01:48.069 podcast. Pretty cool to have you on the show, 00:01:48.269 --> 00:01:52.530 Jeff. And Jay, it's great to be here. Really 00:01:52.530 --> 00:01:54.930 exciting. thrilled to be here and doing it and 00:01:54.930 --> 00:01:56.989 talking about something that I know you and I 00:01:56.989 --> 00:01:58.989 haven't even discussed. So it's going to make 00:01:58.989 --> 00:02:01.069 it even more fun. I got to tell you, Jeff, I'm 00:02:01.069 --> 00:02:02.370 a little bit nervous about what you're going 00:02:02.370 --> 00:02:05.310 to talk about because I was part of your childhood 00:02:05.310 --> 00:02:08.669 as well. I hope it's nothing to do with me. But 00:02:08.669 --> 00:02:10.710 before we get to it, I do also want to thank 00:02:10.710 --> 00:02:12.490 you for your help you've given me in the last 00:02:12.490 --> 00:02:15.789 few weeks about my own podcast, giving me tips, 00:02:16.030 --> 00:02:19.270 especially regarding sound. Thank you. And you're 00:02:19.270 --> 00:02:21.409 very kind and complimentary. I appreciate that. 00:02:22.239 --> 00:02:25.400 Well, true story. I have heard in your words, 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:27.979 and I've also heard some of the other podcasts 00:02:27.979 --> 00:02:30.539 you've produced. Today we're going to talk about 00:02:30.539 --> 00:02:33.020 Tell Me What Happened. What we're looking for, 00:02:33.180 --> 00:02:36.099 Jeff, is a childhood story that has impacted 00:02:36.099 --> 00:02:38.740 your life today. I realize you probably have 00:02:38.740 --> 00:02:41.199 a lot of those. As a matter of fact, I was there 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:43.560 for some of them, I think. But I'm going to do 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:46.680 my best to try to stay out of it. Unless, of 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:48.460 course, it's something that I'm familiar with 00:02:48.460 --> 00:02:51.110 that I might... I might jump in a little bit 00:02:51.110 --> 00:02:53.849 there if that's all right. No, I actually I want 00:02:53.849 --> 00:02:56.830 you engaged. I'd almost like it to be a dialogue 00:02:56.830 --> 00:02:58.449 because you'll laugh about some of the stuff 00:02:58.449 --> 00:03:00.870 and some of it you'll relate to the story you're 00:03:00.870 --> 00:03:02.969 not going to know. At least I don't think so 00:03:02.969 --> 00:03:04.490 unless you are part of it. If that's the case, 00:03:04.569 --> 00:03:10.870 I hate you. I hope I wasn't. I doubt it. So I'm 00:03:10.870 --> 00:03:14.110 going back to grammar school. Well, first of 00:03:14.110 --> 00:03:15.550 all, let me compliment you on the stuff that 00:03:15.550 --> 00:03:17.469 you're doing with people who are actually sharing 00:03:17.469 --> 00:03:19.949 significant trauma in their lives because I think 00:03:19.949 --> 00:03:22.550 the ability for others to hear those stories 00:03:22.550 --> 00:03:26.509 is Impactful and secondly, it's important for 00:03:26.509 --> 00:03:29.270 the people who are telling this story in some 00:03:29.270 --> 00:03:32.969 sort of a cathartic way to share it and I think 00:03:32.969 --> 00:03:37.650 that is really cool for for what you're doing 00:03:37.650 --> 00:03:41.469 the The story I'm about doesn't know where it's 00:03:41.469 --> 00:03:43.819 nothing like that. I was blessed to not have 00:03:43.819 --> 00:03:47.099 anything that significant happen in my upbringing. 00:03:47.819 --> 00:03:51.099 It may be later in life, but those were different 00:03:51.099 --> 00:03:56.060 situations. In grammar school, I was this chunky 00:03:56.060 --> 00:04:00.180 little kid, just kind of dorky and getting my 00:04:00.180 --> 00:04:02.460 way through school, doing my thing. Mom expected 00:04:02.460 --> 00:04:04.759 me to do well. She was the librarian at the school 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:07.139 and we went to this grammar school. That was 00:04:07.139 --> 00:04:09.039 a Catholic grammar school. So of course you do 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:12.659 the altar boy thing. Try to do the best in school 00:04:12.659 --> 00:04:15.719 and you just hope that that report card comes 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:18.279 home with what everybody at home expects it to 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:22.180 be and It's probably seventh or eighth grade. 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:24.279 I remember, you know, everybody's going through 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:27.199 puberty and getting started up to care about 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:30.519 how they look and I remember taping my hair down 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:32.379 on my forehead so I could have that like beetle 00:04:32.379 --> 00:04:35.399 look I got curly hair and I would tape it down 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:36.959 at night so when I woke up in the morning, it 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:40.480 would be flat like beetles used to wear and one 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.480 of our friends had that kind of hair, Jan, last 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.220 names to be left out of this conversation, but 00:04:46.220 --> 00:04:48.639 it was like, I'm going to look like that. So, 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:50.019 you know, you're starting to care about it because 00:04:50.019 --> 00:04:52.100 you care about how the girls are looking at you. 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:55.839 And I was chunky. I mean, I was a chubby kid. 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:58.560 And I remember when we used to go shopping for 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:00.379 anything, we had to go to the Husky department. 00:05:00.860 --> 00:05:02.319 The guy would come and go like to Robert Hall. 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.259 Remember that Robert Hall store for, you know, 00:05:06.150 --> 00:05:08.930 young men or whatever. Anyhow, so I go in and 00:05:08.930 --> 00:05:10.550 my mom would be with me and we can go and shop. 00:05:10.629 --> 00:05:11.930 And she goes, oh, that looks good on you, honey. 00:05:11.949 --> 00:05:14.110 And he goes, well, this is in the Husky department. 00:05:14.730 --> 00:05:18.110 So yeah, these will fit him perfectly well. And 00:05:18.110 --> 00:05:20.689 so you just have all this self -conscious stuff 00:05:20.689 --> 00:05:26.250 going on. And there was this guy in school that 00:05:26.250 --> 00:05:30.050 was what I would look at today and see as a bully. 00:05:30.910 --> 00:05:33.670 And for some reason, I became the article of 00:05:33.670 --> 00:05:37.529 his affection. I should say infection for me. 00:05:38.170 --> 00:05:41.829 But it was challenging and it went on for a while 00:05:41.829 --> 00:05:45.870 and it got a little bit worse. And he's, I'll 00:05:45.870 --> 00:05:47.170 say the name because you'll laugh when I say 00:05:47.170 --> 00:05:53.930 it's Carl something. And I'm like, what is going 00:05:53.930 --> 00:05:55.910 on here? And it got to the point where now you're 00:05:55.910 --> 00:05:57.709 losing sleep at home, you're anxious, you don't 00:05:57.709 --> 00:05:59.990 want to go to school. So what are you going to 00:05:59.990 --> 00:06:04.540 do? And okay, at this stage of the game, It's 00:06:04.540 --> 00:06:08.680 not so significant that it's something you're 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:11.339 going to get yourself in trouble with. My mom's 00:06:11.339 --> 00:06:13.060 a librarian at the stinking school. I got to 00:06:13.060 --> 00:06:16.019 be careful. You don't know that you're going 00:06:16.019 --> 00:06:17.639 to punch him because he might kick your butt. 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:20.920 So you don't want to do that. And this goes on 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:24.199 for days and days and days and weeks. And finally, 00:06:24.300 --> 00:06:25.399 I said, OK, what I'm going to do, I'm going to 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:27.899 I'm going to win them over with stuff. I'm going 00:06:27.899 --> 00:06:30.160 to start bringing cool stuff to school because 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:33.819 that'll minimize it. and I remember just bringing 00:06:33.819 --> 00:06:36.519 stupid little things from the house and then 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:39.939 a Pinewood Derby car, you know, your Boy Scouts 00:06:39.939 --> 00:06:42.500 thing, those little things you carve and, you 00:06:42.500 --> 00:06:44.000 know, I had some kind of cool ones that I had 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:45.879 made and that maybe got a little bit of his attention, 00:06:45.899 --> 00:06:48.420 but it still didn't get anywhere. And he's still 00:06:48.420 --> 00:06:51.600 badgering me and, you know, pushing me around 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:56.519 on the playground. And I remember as much as, 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:59.139 you know, we all would say, well, you just smack 00:06:59.139 --> 00:07:01.579 him one or punch him or whatever. you know, all 00:07:01.579 --> 00:07:03.500 I remember was getting in his face at some point 00:07:03.500 --> 00:07:05.879 in time and just saying, you know, stop this 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:08.579 or whatever. Probably went home and cried or 00:07:08.579 --> 00:07:10.939 I don't really remember. I mean, it's suppressed 00:07:10.939 --> 00:07:13.860 all this stuff because it's not enjoyable to 00:07:13.860 --> 00:07:16.439 think about it. And when you asked me about it, 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:18.819 I said, let me think about something from my 00:07:18.819 --> 00:07:21.240 childhood. That's probably one of the biggest 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.480 things that I can even remember. The rest is 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:26.579 just kind of gone. It was a good childhood. But 00:07:26.579 --> 00:07:30.699 I think as I've grown up, There's Carl's every 00:07:30.699 --> 00:07:33.160 step along the way and there's Carl's in every 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:37.139 profession that you you Choose as a career. There's 00:07:37.139 --> 00:07:39.019 Carl's in your neighborhood. There's Carl's at 00:07:39.019 --> 00:07:44.720 the gym and As I grew up I started to do the 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:46.480 same thing and I found myself repeating that 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:47.959 sequence over and over again looked a little 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:51.220 bit different, but I knew if I had Made enough 00:07:51.220 --> 00:07:54.899 money or I bought enough stuff. I could kind 00:07:54.899 --> 00:07:57.220 of bump those Carl's out of the way without having 00:07:57.220 --> 00:08:02.279 to really confront them And you think about that 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:04.379 stuff, you think of what is that? How does that 00:08:04.379 --> 00:08:07.579 happen? And we know it's a situation on school 00:08:07.579 --> 00:08:10.839 campuses today. It's a situation on cell phones, 00:08:11.060 --> 00:08:16.360 on social media, however those bullies are going 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:19.300 to affect the kids. And in that case, you just 00:08:19.300 --> 00:08:21.060 don't have the ability to punch them in the face. 00:08:22.100 --> 00:08:25.199 I didn't do it because I didn't have the gumption 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:29.750 to do it. I wasn't that kind of kid. So you find 00:08:29.750 --> 00:08:34.190 ways to cope with it. And the coping mechanism 00:08:34.190 --> 00:08:36.590 became, well, okay, you know what? I can't beat 00:08:36.590 --> 00:08:40.230 you up. That's just not my thing. Or I'm scared, 00:08:40.250 --> 00:08:43.870 or I was kind of a wimpy kid, then I'm just gonna 00:08:43.870 --> 00:08:48.909 go make money. And I'll build wealth around my 00:08:48.909 --> 00:08:51.970 situation. And that will show you that I'm stronger 00:08:51.970 --> 00:08:55.409 than you. Because I would then see you as a loser. 00:08:56.850 --> 00:08:59.070 Where are you today, Carl? Let's see. What are 00:08:59.070 --> 00:09:02.450 you doing today? Yeah, and that does that does 00:09:02.450 --> 00:09:05.409 enter my mind, right? And I think that's kind 00:09:05.409 --> 00:09:08.049 of weird. You brought this up, by the way. So 00:09:08.049 --> 00:09:11.370 if this is cathartic, I don't know or not. I 00:09:11.370 --> 00:09:14.129 might have some issues after the fact. In pain 00:09:14.129 --> 00:09:18.169 for you because well, I want to just back it 00:09:18.169 --> 00:09:20.610 up a little bit. You know, my cousin who I love, 00:09:20.669 --> 00:09:23.169 he called me fat man my whole life. You know, 00:09:23.230 --> 00:09:27.320 I was definitely heavier than you were. grade 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:30.980 school, I was taller than you were. And I do 00:09:30.980 --> 00:09:33.940 remember Carl distinctly in it, and I wish you'd 00:09:33.940 --> 00:09:35.320 have told me because I would have punched him 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.000 for you. Right. But I want to move back just 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.700 one step and ask you, when you finally did talk 00:09:43.700 --> 00:09:45.799 with him, did he finally relent at any point 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:47.460 or you don't remember what happened? I mean, 00:09:47.500 --> 00:09:50.559 how did it... Yeah, a little bit because I got 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:53.259 in his face and it kind of was... I think he 00:09:53.259 --> 00:09:55.320 was looking for the fight. He wanted the fight 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:57.860 and it just... the fight never, maybe we pushed 00:09:57.860 --> 00:10:00.460 each other around a little bit and that was, 00:10:00.460 --> 00:10:02.759 it was kind of the end of it. You know, it never 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:07.600 had a big climactic end and it wasn't anything 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:10.759 eventful. I think only a handful of kids even 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:13.080 knew it because he wasn't a really popular kid, 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:17.480 but it just was, it stuck. It's one of those 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:21.740 things that stuck and I do reflect on it and 00:10:21.740 --> 00:10:24.659 that feeling has recurred throughout my life. 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:28.519 Up until you know, maybe older adulthood when 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:30.039 I realized okay There's a way to deal with this 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:32.799 differently and not that you punch somebody in 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:34.960 the face But you can confront those issues a 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:37.480 lot differently as you learn and grow confident 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:42.080 and understand yourself a lot better but That's 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:44.879 an impactful thing. And I think what's sad about 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.519 it is it still exists today and Probably to a 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:52.259 greater degree because of the ability to hide 00:10:52.259 --> 00:10:56.269 behind social media you don't have to even confront 00:10:56.269 --> 00:10:59.590 the individual physically and the individual 00:10:59.590 --> 00:11:01.629 who's the recipient of the bullying doesn't have 00:11:01.629 --> 00:11:06.809 the ability to really respond. So how you deal 00:11:06.809 --> 00:11:10.389 with those things that are they seem so little 00:11:10.389 --> 00:11:15.789 at the time in retrospect but when you really 00:11:15.789 --> 00:11:18.809 reflect on them and you say what happened there 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:21.980 you might have changed your life as a result 00:11:21.980 --> 00:11:24.440 of it or a good portion of your life as a result 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:27.620 of it, not even knowing because it wasn't intentional 00:11:27.620 --> 00:11:31.700 or conscious. It was more reactive. And so you 00:11:31.700 --> 00:11:36.480 moved in a direction that really set the course 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:40.679 for a long point in time, whether it be a career 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:45.559 or a scholastic achievement or even a marriage 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:52.169 in some cases. That's the piece of it that I 00:11:52.169 --> 00:11:55.230 always reflect on. It does come up. And like 00:11:55.230 --> 00:11:57.350 I said, we were sharing that we suppress and 00:11:57.350 --> 00:11:59.190 don't recall a lot of this stuff. It just wasn't 00:11:59.190 --> 00:12:02.029 all that significant. But there's a few highlights 00:12:02.029 --> 00:12:04.850 in there that you say, huh, I get that. I know 00:12:04.850 --> 00:12:07.850 where that's coming from. Now I can figure that 00:12:07.850 --> 00:12:13.870 out. And is that really a good way to go? In 00:12:13.870 --> 00:12:18.000 many cases, probably not. Because it's not authentic. 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:20.539 It's Reactionary, you know, I was just gonna 00:12:20.539 --> 00:12:23.840 say though that the story that you tell on the 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:26.120 one hand I think it motivated you to be a highly 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:29.039 successful person. I'm also sort of wondering 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:32.220 I know you're I've known you for 50 50 years 00:12:32.220 --> 00:12:34.379 and I know that as an adult you've been like 00:12:34.379 --> 00:12:41.659 this massive biker and connection to that. But 00:12:41.659 --> 00:12:43.659 on the one hand, it's like, okay, great. It's 00:12:43.659 --> 00:12:45.659 motivated, Jeff, to be a successful business 00:12:45.659 --> 00:12:48.559 person and a successful athlete. On the other 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:51.139 hand, if the driving force is a negative one, 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:58.139 then you feel bad. Well, and the essence of the 00:12:58.139 --> 00:13:02.460 podcast is, as people hear, some will say, wow, 00:13:02.539 --> 00:13:05.120 that trauma that that person experienced, holy 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:08.460 crap, that's amazing that they ever came out 00:13:08.460 --> 00:13:12.080 of it. I'm on the really light side of it, where 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:15.759 maybe a lot of people have been in some semblance 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:21.480 of what I'm talking about, but the people who 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.779 don't relate to some of the other elements of 00:13:24.779 --> 00:13:27.159 people's stories, probably a lot of people can 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:28.899 relate to something like this, because it happens 00:13:28.899 --> 00:13:33.159 everywhere, every day, all the time. And it's 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:36.000 just being aware of it. And had I known that 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:38.019 confronting him differently would have made the 00:13:38.019 --> 00:13:39.690 difference, I mean, I didn't share it with my 00:13:39.690 --> 00:13:42.490 parents. I didn't have to deal with it. I didn't 00:13:42.490 --> 00:13:44.009 think there was going to be any benefit. I didn't 00:13:44.009 --> 00:13:47.110 share it with anybody. And had I known that there 00:13:47.110 --> 00:13:49.370 were options or ways to deal with it differently, 00:13:49.870 --> 00:13:52.330 I probably would have, as hard as that might 00:13:52.330 --> 00:13:56.009 have been, and just done whatever that would 00:13:56.009 --> 00:13:57.809 have been at the time that would have been appropriate. 00:13:57.929 --> 00:14:00.750 I may have been punching them in the face. But 00:14:00.750 --> 00:14:05.559 as you grow up and... You're an adult and you 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:07.580 look at what you can and can't do you realize 00:14:07.580 --> 00:14:09.779 hey some of the I just can't keep Dealing with 00:14:09.779 --> 00:14:12.299 Carl's the same way all the time. I can only 00:14:12.299 --> 00:14:17.659 bring so many, you know toys to the game to kind 00:14:17.659 --> 00:14:22.179 of moderate the or discomfort of the relationship 00:14:22.179 --> 00:14:24.679 and at some point you realize you got to confront 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:27.620 these things you can't You just can't let them 00:14:27.620 --> 00:14:29.100 fester because they will repeat you can leave 00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:30.879 that job. You can leave that at neighborhood 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.570 You can leave that school but it doesn't mean 00:14:33.570 --> 00:14:38.190 it's gone. And I think that's the takeaway for 00:14:38.190 --> 00:14:44.649 me is I hope for people that I deal with or grandkids 00:14:44.649 --> 00:14:48.809 now, if I see any of that happening, I can interject 00:14:48.809 --> 00:14:55.009 my experience and some semblance of wisdom and 00:14:55.009 --> 00:14:57.029 say, hey, here's a good way to deal with this. 00:14:57.429 --> 00:14:59.250 It necessarily wouldn't be punch them in the 00:14:59.250 --> 00:15:02.419 face either, but It's going to be a different 00:15:02.419 --> 00:15:05.519 type. It's going to be probably electronic. It's 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:08.360 going to be socially driven. It's going to require 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:11.559 intervention by others, depending on the significance 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.580 of the bullying. But you can't let it happen. 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:19.879 It just can't continue to go on because you'll 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:23.200 fester with it for the rest of your life. Yes. 00:15:24.419 --> 00:15:27.440 You're so right, my friend. Oh my gosh, all the 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.559 stuff we carry. I wish we could just let it go. 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:34.019 I brought back some memories from grade school 00:15:34.019 --> 00:15:41.120 though. Oh, we can't reach back in time and fix 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:46.940 it per se. Well, thank you, Jeff. Thank you again 00:15:46.940 --> 00:15:50.100 for having me, Jay. I appreciate it. It was a 00:15:50.100 --> 00:15:55.620 kick. It took me down memory lane. Yeah, just 00:15:55.620 --> 00:15:57.820 sort of reminded me why I'm doing a podcast. 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:01.620 So thank you very much So that's our show. I 00:16:01.620 --> 00:16:03.820 want to thank my good buddy Jeff Holden bringing 00:16:03.820 --> 00:16:07.919 me back to my childhood Also want to thank our 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.200 sponsors sidelining publishing and laughsaber 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:15.379 .com We're gonna end the show as we often do 00:16:15.379 --> 00:16:19.220 with Susan Salvador's classic every moment every 00:16:19.220 --> 00:16:23.909 day, which is available on Spotify BTW So until 00:16:23.909 --> 00:16:27.470 next time, this is Jay Rehack asking you all 00:16:27.470 --> 00:16:30.850 to stay safe out there, watch out for those carls, 00:16:31.509 --> 00:17:03.419 and try not to hurt anybody. It is possible to 00:17:03.419 --> 00:17:25.740 be thankful It is possible to be thankful every 00:17:25.740 --> 00:17:27.779 moment, every day.