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Alright, today I have as my guest Thomas 00:01:50.069 --> 00:01:54.730 Liebert. Thomas is a graduate of McAllister College, 00:01:55.090 --> 00:01:56.849 similar to my daughter actually, it's where I 00:01:56.849 --> 00:02:00.069 met him. And he's an old family friend. Welcome 00:02:00.069 --> 00:02:02.269 to the show, Thomas. Hey, thanks for having me 00:02:02.269 --> 00:02:06.209 on, Jay. Thomas, are you ready to tell your story? 00:02:06.930 --> 00:02:09.310 I think so. All right. Well, listen, Thomas, 00:02:09.349 --> 00:02:11.469 I'm just going to get out of the way. But at 00:02:11.469 --> 00:02:13.569 the end, I'm going to ask you one question. And 00:02:13.569 --> 00:02:16.449 that one question is this. How do you think that 00:02:16.449 --> 00:02:19.289 experience, that childhood experience impacted 00:02:19.289 --> 00:02:22.909 who you are today? You ready? I'm ready. All 00:02:22.909 --> 00:02:26.780 right. Take it away, Thomas. So I spent. very 00:02:26.780 --> 00:02:30.219 little of the summer after fourth grade living 00:02:30.219 --> 00:02:35.219 in reality. Fantasy and imagination were not 00:02:35.219 --> 00:02:37.860 really an escape from anything in particular 00:02:37.860 --> 00:02:40.919 going on in my life, but it just seemed to make 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:43.219 everything more exciting. And it was a pretty 00:02:43.219 --> 00:02:46.400 great time if this was your interest. The first 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:48.729 Lord of the Rings movie had like come out a year 00:02:48.729 --> 00:02:52.689 before. It was sort of the beginning of a bumper 00:02:52.689 --> 00:02:56.490 crop of epic, you know, young adult fantasy series. 00:02:56.870 --> 00:03:02.069 And we had just moved to a suburb of Albany about 00:03:02.069 --> 00:03:05.490 a year or two earlier. So in the back of this 00:03:05.490 --> 00:03:10.150 house, there was a ravine, a small creek, really 00:03:10.150 --> 00:03:12.650 more of a, you know, an indent with a swamp. 00:03:13.590 --> 00:03:16.210 Now there were houses on either side, but no 00:03:16.210 --> 00:03:19.539 one had really fenced it in, it was kind of unruly. 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:24.199 And it was here that one of the main places that 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:26.039 he and the boys from around the neighborhood 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:29.620 were exploring and were playing in. So we lived 00:03:29.620 --> 00:03:32.900 in upstate New York, but somebody years earlier 00:03:32.900 --> 00:03:37.759 had planted some decorative bamboo in the back 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:41.169 of their yard. And it turns out it's sort of 00:03:41.169 --> 00:03:44.490 an invasive species and turned the entire swath 00:03:44.490 --> 00:03:48.569 of the ravine behind our house into a small forest 00:03:48.569 --> 00:03:52.069 of bamboo. Now it's not the thick bamboo that 00:03:52.069 --> 00:03:56.330 you see sometimes, sort of like the size of maybe 00:03:56.330 --> 00:04:01.129 a medium branch and when it dried you could break 00:04:01.129 --> 00:04:05.430 it off at the root and it made a perfect sword. 00:04:06.109 --> 00:04:09.590 sturdy enough to sort of whack away and sword 00:04:09.590 --> 00:04:11.930 fight, but not enough weight to put any real 00:04:11.930 --> 00:04:14.830 force on it. If you hit somebody over the head 00:04:14.830 --> 00:04:17.129 with it, you know, it was going to sting a little 00:04:17.129 --> 00:04:19.430 bit, but you weren't going to cock anybody too 00:04:19.430 --> 00:04:23.769 bad. So the six of us or so would divide up. 00:04:24.290 --> 00:04:28.529 Some people would take the dugout fort across 00:04:28.529 --> 00:04:30.990 the street, the log reinforced pit that we had 00:04:30.990 --> 00:04:34.790 built the previous summer. And some people would 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:39.540 sit in my backyard in the forest and we would 00:04:39.540 --> 00:04:43.259 run back and forth having these fantasy battles 00:04:43.259 --> 00:04:46.639 where we were fighting, taking over, capturing 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:49.860 the flag and coming back. Eventually, we were 00:04:49.860 --> 00:04:53.019 told by the local drivers that we had to pick 00:04:53.019 --> 00:04:55.639 one side of the street because we would dart 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:59.480 out from behind the cars. And that's what I spent 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:03.480 a lot of that summer doing. Now, the other half 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:06.930 of that is that if I was not outside playing, 00:05:06.930 --> 00:05:10.170 I was reading pretty much whatever I could get 00:05:10.170 --> 00:05:14.029 my hands on. The Redwall series was a big part 00:05:14.029 --> 00:05:17.930 of that, where you have these anthropomorphic 00:05:17.930 --> 00:05:21.829 mice and badgers and squirrels, one of the good 00:05:21.829 --> 00:05:26.569 guys, and they have these battles around Redwall 00:05:26.569 --> 00:05:30.430 Castle with the evil stoats and weasels. They 00:05:30.430 --> 00:05:33.870 go after ancient treasure. But the hook of all 00:05:33.870 --> 00:05:38.370 of these books was always a secret. Some map 00:05:38.370 --> 00:05:42.709 hidden in a tapestry, a sword, a pendant stashed 00:05:42.709 --> 00:05:45.189 away somewhere, and I could not get enough of 00:05:45.189 --> 00:05:48.790 that. So in this backyard, our house was built 00:05:48.790 --> 00:05:51.069 around the 30s. They used to throw all of this 00:05:51.069 --> 00:05:53.930 trash. And one time when we were playing out 00:05:53.930 --> 00:05:57.750 there, I found a glass bottle, which I was sure 00:05:57.750 --> 00:06:03.709 was some priceless treasure. that I was going 00:06:03.709 --> 00:06:05.810 to be able to give to the museum that they were 00:06:05.810 --> 00:06:07.529 going to be able to put in their collection. 00:06:07.649 --> 00:06:11.069 So this was sort of the mindset I was in. I also 00:06:11.069 --> 00:06:15.089 in this time, somebody gave my parents the Da 00:06:15.089 --> 00:06:18.670 Vinci Code or one of those books. And it was 00:06:18.670 --> 00:06:21.750 like a little bit, that was a little bit too 00:06:21.750 --> 00:06:26.430 young for the the masked Illuminati orgies to 00:06:26.430 --> 00:06:30.339 be of that much interest to me. But the codexes, 00:06:31.019 --> 00:06:33.939 the ancient orders, the cryptexes hidden in a 00:06:33.939 --> 00:06:36.839 box revealed by the Fibonacci sequence hidden 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:41.300 in a cross and the chapel. That was what I was 00:06:41.300 --> 00:06:43.920 all about. So the sort of the rediscovery of 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:48.060 some power of the past leaving a trail of breadcrumbs 00:06:48.060 --> 00:06:52.600 for the right person to follow. So it was this 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:57.240 summer that we also took a trip to see our relatives. 00:06:57.689 --> 00:07:01.029 in Scotland with a stop for a few days in London. 00:07:01.990 --> 00:07:05.250 We went to art museums, we went to the Tower 00:07:05.250 --> 00:07:08.730 of London. I don't remember if we went to Buckingham 00:07:08.730 --> 00:07:11.790 Palace, but it seemed sort of silly to see. I 00:07:11.790 --> 00:07:13.449 remember seeing some of those guards and that 00:07:13.449 --> 00:07:16.870 it was kind of silly to have these people from 00:07:16.870 --> 00:07:19.750 the modern day still pretending like it was two 00:07:19.750 --> 00:07:22.860 or 300 years ago. But in between all these trips, 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.180 wherever we were going, I had my nose in a book. 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:28.660 I would participate in family activities, but 00:07:28.660 --> 00:07:32.100 I also definitely remember being told to pay 00:07:32.100 --> 00:07:36.399 attention to where we actually were and to get, 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:38.980 you know, my face out of this book. And I think 00:07:38.980 --> 00:07:41.740 it was about halfway through this trip that I 00:07:41.740 --> 00:07:44.699 finished whatever I was reading and needed a 00:07:44.699 --> 00:07:48.220 refresh. So we went into some local bookstore 00:07:48.220 --> 00:07:51.889 there and I picked up a book on Mary Queen of 00:07:51.889 --> 00:07:54.870 Scots. Now, in my mind, when I was thinking about 00:07:54.870 --> 00:07:57.730 this, I remember it being historical fiction 00:07:57.730 --> 00:08:00.029 and sort of geared towards young adults, but 00:08:00.029 --> 00:08:03.269 I could not find anything when I was Googling 00:08:03.269 --> 00:08:06.029 that would have fit that description. So I think 00:08:06.029 --> 00:08:09.089 it must have just been a sort of sympathetic 00:08:09.089 --> 00:08:12.769 biography. So Mary Queen of Scots became the 00:08:12.769 --> 00:08:15.689 Queen of Scotland when she was six days old and 00:08:15.689 --> 00:08:18.920 her father died. She was at five, sent to France 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:21.339 to marry the heir apparent of the French throne. 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:24.620 She was this larger than life, smart, witty, 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:27.860 beautiful person in the French court. At 18, 00:08:28.100 --> 00:08:31.720 her husband died, her French husband, who was 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.159 the king. And she went back to Scotland and had 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.919 to maneuver politically as a Catholic in a Protestant 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:42.080 country. As a result of some of this intrigue, 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:44.799 her husband's house was bombed, he was killed. 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.320 She eventually remarried one of the suspected 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:51.019 assassins. She had to raise an army at one point 00:08:51.019 --> 00:08:55.419 to oppose some local lords. So even though this 00:08:55.419 --> 00:08:58.179 was a true story, this was her biography, it 00:08:58.179 --> 00:09:00.279 could have read like one of these other books 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:04.720 that I was reading. And one of the days when 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:07.700 we were in Edinburgh, where my aunt's family 00:09:07.700 --> 00:09:11.039 lived, I was told in the morning that we were 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:14.480 taking a trip, that we got in the car, you know, 00:09:14.700 --> 00:09:17.960 a foggy Scottish morning. We drive about an hour 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:20.899 north of the city and get on a ferry that was 00:09:20.899 --> 00:09:24.580 going to drive us out to see a castle. It was 00:09:24.580 --> 00:09:27.159 Scottish weather. It was early and I didn't really 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:29.559 want to engage that much. So I posted up in the 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:32.559 little cabin of this ferry boat and took out 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:35.899 my book. Now at this point in the book in Mary's 00:09:35.899 --> 00:09:39.909 life, the feuding among the Scottish nobility 00:09:39.909 --> 00:09:43.470 had led to a series of battles accusations that 00:09:43.470 --> 00:09:45.870 she was a murderer and she was eventually kidnapped 00:09:45.870 --> 00:09:50.169 and imprisoned in a castle on an island called 00:09:50.169 --> 00:09:54.450 Loch Levin, a lock about 20 miles north of Edinburgh, 00:09:54.990 --> 00:09:58.970 and then we were there. I don't remember exactly 00:09:58.970 --> 00:10:03.840 when it was that we realized But we had arrived 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:06.399 on the same island of this character, this person 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:09.679 whose life I had been imagining in my head. We 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.659 were at a place that she had really been in rooms 00:10:13.659 --> 00:10:17.059 that she had really slept in, that she had really 00:10:17.059 --> 00:10:23.000 plotted in. And it felt like magic. It felt like 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.600 I had cracked some mystery or discovered something 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:29.759 special, even though the whole point of this 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.820 tourist area was that it was where she had been. 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:36.460 That was the point. But I remember feeling that 00:10:36.460 --> 00:10:40.159 if I looked carefully, I would find something, 00:10:41.179 --> 00:10:45.259 some loose stone that nobody in 400 years had 00:10:45.259 --> 00:10:48.200 happened to notice that was concealing a wax 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:51.879 scroll with some long lost intrigue, some letter 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:56.500 that would change what everybody knew about this 00:10:56.500 --> 00:10:59.320 event, this person who had lived three and four 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:01.639 hundred years ago. And I also remember it was 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:04.200 surprising. Like if you'd asked me to describe 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.419 before we went what it was really going to look 00:11:07.419 --> 00:11:10.919 like, I could have come up with a reasonable 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:15.259 guess. But because I was in this fantasy space, 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:19.600 I had built in my head a huge dark tower surrounded 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:24.679 by 50 foot walls and guard towers and chains 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:29.590 and fire. when we got there, it was pretty much 00:11:29.590 --> 00:11:34.690 just a damp rock. So while I remember that sort 00:11:34.690 --> 00:11:38.730 of giddiness at those two worlds coming together, 00:11:38.990 --> 00:11:43.549 I also remembered, not disappointment that it 00:11:43.549 --> 00:11:48.289 didn't match that, but a little bit of sadness, 00:11:48.370 --> 00:11:51.570 a little bit of melancholy that this was sort 00:11:51.570 --> 00:11:57.429 of the reality that it was. all of these things 00:11:57.429 --> 00:12:01.370 that had happened to her happened to a real person 00:12:01.370 --> 00:12:03.789 that had actually happened to somebody. And it 00:12:03.789 --> 00:12:08.470 wasn't just this story that somebody made up. 00:12:08.570 --> 00:12:12.169 It had been a real person with real pain and 00:12:12.169 --> 00:12:17.889 a real experience. And that's my story. All right. 00:12:17.950 --> 00:12:20.649 Well, that's very vivid. I picked up on I know 00:12:20.649 --> 00:12:23.429 that feeling of a little boy who wants to find 00:12:23.429 --> 00:12:26.720 something. that nobody else has seen I know that 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:29.000 feeling I remember that when I go to various 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:31.220 places it's like looking for something that you 00:12:31.220 --> 00:12:33.620 know maybe somebody else has missed or whatever 00:12:33.620 --> 00:12:37.799 so as you look back on that experience Thomas 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.399 and sort of that convergence of being a worth 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:43.360 greater with a great imagination and a great 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:47.419 reader and then realizing that sometimes what 00:12:47.419 --> 00:12:49.940 you read is fiction and sometimes it's actually 00:12:49.940 --> 00:12:54.149 based on Real people and real pain and real experiences. 00:12:54.610 --> 00:12:56.590 How do you think that's impacted who you are 00:12:56.590 --> 00:13:01.049 today? I Think it means that you don't I don't 00:13:01.049 --> 00:13:06.970 think of needing to have some big gesture in 00:13:06.970 --> 00:13:09.870 a place for it to be an important time like a 00:13:09.870 --> 00:13:13.269 lot of this stuff all of these big historic events 00:13:13.269 --> 00:13:17.850 just happen in mundane places and I feel like 00:13:17.850 --> 00:13:21.009 that stuck with me like you're gonna be I don't 00:13:21.610 --> 00:13:25.590 wait for it to look like something significant 00:13:25.590 --> 00:13:27.850 is happening or for there to be some sort of 00:13:27.850 --> 00:13:30.470 sign that the events that we're going through 00:13:30.470 --> 00:13:32.669 are big. It's just reminds me that it's like 00:13:32.669 --> 00:13:36.669 it is as much as you want to build up the story 00:13:36.669 --> 00:13:40.629 in your head. It is people living in a place 00:13:40.629 --> 00:13:44.490 and that is how everything happens. When you 00:13:44.490 --> 00:13:47.269 circle back a little bit to going back to the 00:13:47.269 --> 00:13:50.149 the area that you lived in the backyard, the 00:13:50.149 --> 00:13:53.009 place in the backyard, whatever. Did you find 00:13:53.009 --> 00:13:56.029 the things that you found an old bottle or whatever? 00:13:56.309 --> 00:13:58.629 Did you did you sort of ascribe some sort of 00:13:58.629 --> 00:14:00.710 a history to it when you were when you were looking 00:14:00.710 --> 00:14:03.429 at it? Or you just feel like, oh, yeah, they 00:14:03.429 --> 00:14:07.610 were they were flasks of one sort or another. 00:14:07.730 --> 00:14:12.769 They had some. You know, we knew that they basically, 00:14:12.889 --> 00:14:15.210 everyone just threw their trash out the back 00:14:15.210 --> 00:14:19.929 window, but you never know. And this area, particularly 00:14:19.929 --> 00:14:23.210 down below, you know, it was probably bottles 00:14:23.210 --> 00:14:26.669 that somebody, some teenagers in the eighties 00:14:26.669 --> 00:14:29.769 had thrown down there after a party, but the 00:14:29.769 --> 00:14:33.009 labels were gone. So we didn't know what it was 00:14:33.009 --> 00:14:37.019 there. Was it someone had taken some prohibition 00:14:37.019 --> 00:14:39.659 liquor and buried it there with something else. 00:14:40.299 --> 00:14:44.200 So any the thinnest of pretenses can just could 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:46.539 have become that that whole thing. And you got 00:14:46.539 --> 00:14:51.039 to you didn't have to be in the place I would 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:53.159 be now where I'm say it's probably a little bottle. 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:59.259 Probably not. I got to I got to imagine the entirety 00:14:59.259 --> 00:15:03.759 of what this little thing I found could be. Yeah. 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:08.539 I hear it, I sense it, I feel this experience 00:15:08.539 --> 00:15:10.519 of a couple of different things. Like I said, 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:12.899 it's a child just looking around and finding 00:15:12.899 --> 00:15:17.159 things, artifacts, and then also going to a historic 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:19.639 place and saying, these people actually live, 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:22.139 and they suffered, and they hopefully had joy 00:15:22.139 --> 00:15:27.139 too. But that feeling of, oh, these people are 00:15:27.139 --> 00:15:30.379 not just stories. They're actual flesh and blood 00:15:30.379 --> 00:15:33.289 who've experience life or whatever and I guess 00:15:33.289 --> 00:15:35.029 Mary Queen of the Scots or whatever you think 00:15:35.029 --> 00:15:37.850 about her in some grandiose terms and then you 00:15:37.850 --> 00:15:40.590 go see a rock that she's just there and that's 00:15:40.590 --> 00:15:45.850 it. Yeah and she had the right like and she had 00:15:45.850 --> 00:15:49.389 to eat somewhere and she was bored or she had 00:15:49.389 --> 00:15:51.830 to walk around and the island wasn't big enough 00:15:51.830 --> 00:15:55.389 and it wasn't when you read it elsewhere you're 00:15:55.389 --> 00:15:59.750 only getting the the highlights the battles the 00:15:59.750 --> 00:16:04.110 whatever it's not the day to day. She woke up 00:16:04.110 --> 00:16:07.730 late, she ate, drank coffee, whatever. And you 00:16:07.730 --> 00:16:09.809 can only and you remember that once you're there 00:16:09.809 --> 00:16:11.909 and you're doing the same things like we were 00:16:11.909 --> 00:16:14.610 in Edinburgh. So I assume we brought a fish and 00:16:14.610 --> 00:16:18.769 chips, a chippy with us to this island. And 400 00:16:18.769 --> 00:16:21.169 years later, we're eating the same type of fish 00:16:21.169 --> 00:16:24.929 that someone had fished out of the lock or the 00:16:24.929 --> 00:16:27.629 whatever sea is there in Edinburgh. And it's 00:16:27.629 --> 00:16:30.860 basically the same thing. Did you study history 00:16:30.860 --> 00:16:33.600 or what was your what was your major? I was an 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:36.519 English major Okay, I could have been a history 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:39.159 major, but both of my parents were and so I needed 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:45.740 a little It's something else Well as the was 00:16:45.740 --> 00:16:48.179 the experience in England or in Scotland did 00:16:48.179 --> 00:16:51.580 that impact your view of traveling etc I mean 00:16:51.580 --> 00:16:53.600 it did diminish it or heighten it or it have 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:55.919 any impact at all in terms of that in terms of 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:59.769 your life yeah, I Well, when you when I read 00:16:59.769 --> 00:17:03.929 this, the email talking about what you were looking 00:17:03.929 --> 00:17:07.210 for, it was one of the first things that I thought 00:17:07.210 --> 00:17:13.029 of because it just it it just. I have felt since 00:17:13.029 --> 00:17:16.190 then, I love I love going to the place. There's 00:17:16.190 --> 00:17:22.390 just something that you're not. Some. Ambient 00:17:22.390 --> 00:17:25.569 sense of the place lingering from whatever it 00:17:25.569 --> 00:17:31.319 is that. you're gonna pick up on. And there's 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:34.299 no real way, at least for me, to shortcut that. 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:39.140 Now, I like that just walking around Chicago. 00:17:39.740 --> 00:17:42.480 I live down the street from a beautiful Art Deco 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:46.259 building. You can do the same thing walking through 00:17:46.259 --> 00:17:48.759 any part of Chicago, which is why, part of the 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.220 reason I love it. But to me, there's something 00:17:52.220 --> 00:17:57.450 that you're going to pick up. Being in the place 00:17:57.450 --> 00:18:00.190 that you just have to you're going to have to 00:18:00.190 --> 00:18:05.450 go there to get it Yeah, I like it I again this 00:18:05.450 --> 00:18:11.490 it resonates with me because I do feel that You 00:18:11.490 --> 00:18:13.210 know a lot of different context I don't they 00:18:13.210 --> 00:18:15.450 say that if you dig three feet down in Chicago 00:18:15.450 --> 00:18:18.049 You're gonna find the garbage from the 19th century 00:18:18.049 --> 00:18:20.130 and stuff because everybody has to bury their 00:18:20.130 --> 00:18:24.069 garbage So I've done backyard digs and found 00:18:24.349 --> 00:18:29.970 old you know artifacts etc and it feels feels 00:18:29.970 --> 00:18:32.269 like a little bit like an archaeological dig 00:18:32.269 --> 00:18:35.750 and then you do get that sense of oh wait a minute 00:18:35.750 --> 00:18:38.329 this there's a long line of people who've lived 00:18:38.329 --> 00:18:42.170 on this planet before me you know and and just 00:18:42.170 --> 00:18:44.289 the whole feeling of that that's all i mean i 00:18:44.289 --> 00:18:45.769 i don't want to get into any more than that i 00:18:45.769 --> 00:18:48.009 think you've sort of articulated the idea that 00:18:48.009 --> 00:18:51.299 as a creative person as a big reader you You 00:18:51.299 --> 00:18:53.779 imagine realities and then on the other hand, 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:58.039 you go, you know, get a deeper sense in a historical 00:18:58.039 --> 00:19:02.720 context. But we all, any object, any building, 00:19:02.859 --> 00:19:05.880 anything you look at, you can sort of take a 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:07.599 minute, take a deep breath. You can sort of come 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:12.559 up with a storyline and it's a human experience. 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:20.450 Yeah. All right. Well, Thank you for being on 00:19:20.450 --> 00:19:22.789 the show, Thomas. I really appreciate it. Appreciate 00:19:22.789 --> 00:19:25.970 you telling me your story. Thanks for having 00:19:25.970 --> 00:19:28.089 me on. This is great. Thanks for putting these 00:19:28.089 --> 00:19:32.009 together. I love it. I learn something every 00:19:32.009 --> 00:19:35.490 time I do these podcasts. And I'm always intrigued 00:19:35.490 --> 00:19:39.549 by what people remember as young people that 00:19:39.549 --> 00:19:43.349 sort of sticks with them. And like I said, from 00:19:43.349 --> 00:19:45.750 this podcast, from talking with you, what resonates 00:19:45.750 --> 00:19:48.859 with me is I remember as a child being... in 00:19:48.859 --> 00:19:51.819 various places. We used to go to the farms that 00:19:51.819 --> 00:19:54.640 used to surround where I was. I grew up in a 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:56.859 suburb but it was basically farmland first and 00:19:56.859 --> 00:19:59.940 we would go to the old burned down farms and 00:19:59.940 --> 00:20:02.980 look for artifacts and we'd find different things, 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:06.059 you know, old rusty tools or bottles as you said 00:20:06.059 --> 00:20:08.900 or whatever and you'd sort of come up with a 00:20:08.900 --> 00:20:10.940 history form where you'd think you found something 00:20:10.940 --> 00:20:13.440 that nobody else has ever seen and it was very 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:16.960 exciting to do that. sort of an exploratory thing 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:20.319 or an exploration, being an explorer. I had that 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:21.980 feeling it kind of came back when you're telling 00:20:21.980 --> 00:20:25.900 that story. So yeah, so thank you for that. Well, 00:20:25.900 --> 00:20:28.160 I hadn't thought about it so specifically in 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:31.339 a long time and I got I got a chance to sit down 00:20:31.339 --> 00:20:35.220 and actually figure out what it was about that 00:20:35.220 --> 00:20:37.660 moment. I remember I remember being on this boat 00:20:37.660 --> 00:20:40.000 holding this book. I can still see the cover 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:44.400 of the book. Wow. All right. Well, that's our 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:46.869 show. Again, thank you Thomas Liebert for being 00:20:46.869 --> 00:20:49.609 on the show. I'd also like to thank my sponsors 00:20:49.609 --> 00:20:52.230 Sidelining publishing publishers of quality books 00:20:52.230 --> 00:20:55.529 and laughsaver .com visit laughsaver .com and 00:20:55.529 --> 00:20:57.509 record your laughter It's free and we'll keep 00:20:57.509 --> 00:20:59.970 it for you and everybody in your family will 00:20:59.970 --> 00:21:03.109 appreciate it All right, so I'm gonna end the 00:21:03.109 --> 00:21:07.109 show with Susan salad ores. I've got peace in 00:21:07.109 --> 00:21:10.890 my fingers I'm recording this at a time of some 00:21:10.890 --> 00:21:14.450 historic difficulties in terms of the Russian 00:21:14.450 --> 00:21:16.970 invasion of Ukraine, and so I'm going to end 00:21:16.970 --> 00:21:19.609 the show with I've got peace in my fingers So 00:21:19.609 --> 00:21:23.329 until next time this is J rehack Asking you all 00:21:23.329 --> 00:21:25.950 to please stay safe out there and try not to 00:21:25.950 --> 00:21:31.049 hurt anybody I've got peace peace peace in my 00:21:31.049 --> 00:21:36.670 fingers watch what I can do I've got peace peace 00:21:36.670 --> 00:21:40.390 peace in my fingers. I'm gonna shake hands with 00:21:40.390 --> 00:21:47.099 you Peace, peace in my fingers. Watch what I 00:21:47.099 --> 00:21:52.480 can do. I've got peace, peace, peace in my fingers. 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.640 I'm gonna shake hands with you. I've got words, 00:21:57.059 --> 00:22:01.619 words, words in my head. Watch what I can do. 00:22:02.539 --> 00:22:06.720 I've got words, words, words in my head. I'm 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:10.640 gonna talk things over with you. I've got words, 00:22:10.980 --> 00:22:16.880 words, words in my head Watch what I can do I've 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:20.839 got words, words, words in my head I'm gonna 00:22:20.839 --> 00:22:25.380 talk things over with you I've got love, love, 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:30.859 love in my heart Watch what I can do I've got 00:22:30.859 --> 00:22:35.660 love, love, love in my heart I'm gonna give some 00:22:35.660 --> 00:22:41.079 to you I've got love, love, love in my heart. 00:22:41.180 --> 00:22:46.859 Watch what I can do. I've got love, love, love 00:22:46.859 --> 00:22:51.619 in my heart. I'm gonna give song to you. I've 00:22:51.619 --> 00:22:55.859 got peace, peace, peace in my fingers. Words, 00:22:56.220 --> 00:23:00.160 words, words in my head. I've got love, love, 00:23:00.380 --> 00:23:04.119 love in my heart. I'm gonna give song to you.