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One little act of kindness can go a long, long

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way Two little acts of kindness can brighten

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anyone's day Three little acts of kindness can

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make a beautiful sound Hi and welcome back to

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Tell Me What Happened, the podcast that features

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people from all walks of life telling us an interesting

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who they are today. I'm your host, Jay Rehak,

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and like you, I've had my share of childhood

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I have as my guest, a good friend of mine back

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from back in the days of the union. Chicago Teachers

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Union. Kenzo Shibata. Kenzo is working his way

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through a social worker program right now. He's

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currently a teacher, but he's going to be a social

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worker in a couple years. As I said, he's a friend

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of mine. He actually helped me get elected in

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my pension days, but that's a whole other story

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we'll tell another different time. So how are

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you doing, Kenzo? I'm having a great day. How

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are you, Jay? I'm doing all right. I'm doing

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all right. So Kenzo, are you ready to tell your

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story? Absolutely. All right, well here's how

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it's going to work, Kenzo. I'm going to ask you

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to tell you your story. I'm going to try to stay

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out of the way. I'll try not to say a word. At

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the end, I'm going to ask you absolutely one

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question, and that one question is, how has it

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impacted who you are today? All right? All right.

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All right, I'm going to mute myself and take

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it away. OK, so just to give a little context,

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the story I'm about to tell you, I didn't really

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uncover until about a month ago. And this is

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something that happened to me probably fourth

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or fifth grade. And I just was discharged from

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this full -time psych program through a group

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called Compass. It was a program of dialectical

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behavioral therapy and behavioral health therapy.

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And what we do in that program was not only kind

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of figure out what went wrong, because I came

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out of a pretty bad depression after the pandemic,

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but also to look way back and look at some memories

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that maybe we suppressed and how they... impact

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our behavior today. So I'm really glad to be

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on this show because I think it's right up my

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alley for what I'm going through now. So one

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of the things that I uncovered was a time that

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I was being recruited for the Latin Kings when

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I was very young. And I didn't even know what

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was going on fully at the time. You know, in

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fourth, fifth grade, I started getting interested

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in a lot of music. So I was into heavy metal

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music, punk music, hip hop music. And I grew

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up in a working class in poor neighborhood, not

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neighborhood, but a suburb called Hanover Park,

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which is right outside of Elgin. And so I ran

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with kind of a rough crowd and got to the point

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where people saw that I was not afraid to get

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into fights when I needed to. I won a lot of

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them and I was a big kid. So some older kids

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in the neighborhood approached me about stealing

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some bikes. I guess they figured I would not

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be afraid to do it. And it scared the crap out

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of me because I, first of all, I didn't think

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it was right to steal other kids' bikes because

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kids need their bikes. I don't want anyone stealing

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my bike. I had a tire stolen once that really,

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you know, made me feel sad. And it kind of ate

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me up inside because they were continuously bothering

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me. And these were older kids. But then, I mean,

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this is really creepy, but one of the kids had

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a girlfriend who was in my eighth, my grade.

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And in school, she's like, So what's going on

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with those bikes? You're supposed to steal those

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bikes. And it was a particular brand they were

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looking for. I don't remember what it was. And

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I just said, I don't want to do it. I don't want

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to do it. And eventually, I ran into one of the

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kind of leaders of this crew of kids. And he

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said to me, so what's up? Are you going to do

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this? And I just looked him straight in the eye,

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and I just said, I'm not. I'm not going to steal

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bikes. I don't. feel like that's something I

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want to do. And I was fully prepared to get my

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butt kicked at that point, because I figured

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they were going to take it that far. But I looked

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him straight in the eye the whole time. He very

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well may have seen the fear in my eyes. I don't

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know. But he just kind of patted me on the back

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and said, fine, and then just walk the other

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way. And they never bothered me again. And at

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that point, I made a decision I was going to

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stop hanging out with, you know, some of those

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kids. And I figured at that point by really pursuing

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my interest in like punk music and heavy metal

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music, that would put me out of that lifestyle

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completely because they didn't want to mess with

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people. They didn't want to like have people

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around them who had long hair and wore torn jeans

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and all that stuff. They all dressed very nicely

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and had very nice hairdos. So, you know, pretty

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much all of those facts I always knew. Like I

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always, that's a story that I was been able to

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tell my entire life. But through this program

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of therapy, you know, we uncovered some more

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stuff about it. And, you know, part of it is

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later on in life, some of those older boys and

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even some of the kids my age were members of

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the Latin Kings, the local Latin King crew. And

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it didn't occur to me at the time that they were

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recruiting me for their what they're called the

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Pee Wee Kings, like the young kids that they

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kind of feel out to see whether or not they're

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going to elevate them to full status. And in

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that process, you know, you get beat in and if

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you want to leave, you get beat out. They call

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it a violation. And none of that occurred to

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me. The only thing that occurred to me was that

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I didn't want to make other kids sad by taking

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their bikes. And thinking back on that, in the

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program, myself and other people in these group

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sessions validated me for that because what it

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was was even though I had a lot of violence in

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my household and in my life growing up, for a

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lot of kids, that would become like the easy

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next step is like joining a crew of people who

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are gonna show you brotherhood. and then continue

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that cycle of violence in your life. And, you

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know, by the way, one of those kids I knew was

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dead by his senior year of high school, who he

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was shot to death. And so even though I didn't

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realize I was kind of looking out for myself,

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I think I was. And kind of seeing patterns of

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violence earlier in my life, I didn't fully acknowledge

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it, but I was keeping myself out of that. And,

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you know, the heavy metal and the punk scene

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has its own violence. We have mosh pits and we

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have all that. But the difference is you go into

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a mosh pit and you fall, someone picks you up,

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pats you on the back, sees if you're okay. And,

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you know, I have one instance where I ended up

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with 12 stitches in my head. But every band that

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was playing that night came to see if I was okay.

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and, you know, autographed, you know, my bandage

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and all that. And, you know, I really felt like

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a brotherhood there and no one was expecting

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me to steal bikes or do anything further to,

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you know, make my life difficult or other people's

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lives difficult. And it's weird to tell this

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story now because it sounds like I'm bragging

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like, oh, the Latin Kings needed me or wanted

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me, but that wasn't even it at all. They just

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saw a little kid who was maybe kind of lost looking

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for some brotherhood and some validation and

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could probably get away with stealing bikes and

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no one would do anything because I was a big

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kid that wasn't afraid of fighting. But I also

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think that looking that one kind of leader kid

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in the eye and being very straight with him helped

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me out a lot. Like I wasn't at that point, I

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wasn't avoiding him. I wasn't showing weakness.

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It was like, you know, I'm very strong in the

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fact that I don't want to be a part of what you're

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doing. And you know, it put me on a much better

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path, even though some people looked down on

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me because I had long hair and I wore like heavy

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metal shirts and all that. I was actually a good

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student. Mental health issues kind of made ups

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and downs later on. Like I'd have a straight

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A semester and then a straight C semester here

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and there, which now I used to really feel bad

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about myself because of that. And now being in

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therapy and now being on medication, I understand

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that my mood just wasn't regulated. and something

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could have triggered me that led me to like allow

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grades to drop. And since then, I've been just

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kind of on top of the ball with everything I'm

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doing. And that's why I'm fully confident now.

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Well, grad school was, I took that very seriously.

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So I got really good grades there. And that was

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the first time in my life I was consistent with

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good grades. And now this social work program

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that I'm starting in the spring, I'm really excited

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about because not only is it a career change,

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but it's another academic endeavor. And I love

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school. I mean, that's why I chose to be a teacher.

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I love being in school. I love learning. I love

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having classmates. I love the mentorship of teachers.

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In fact, this is a hilarious coincidence, is

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one of my former debate students is teaching

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at Northeastern, the school where I'm taking

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this program, and he teaches in my program. He

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teaches at different tracks, so he'll never be

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my teacher, but it was... It was incredible.

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He actually wrote me one of my letters of recommendation

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into the program. David Castro, who is just an

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incredible young man. He's 32 now, I believe,

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working on his PhD and doing organizing work

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on the Southwest side, working with, you know,

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poor youth and getting them involved in debate,

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getting them involved in their, you know, making

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their communities better. So a lot of interesting

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things like that have been coming back to me

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after just, you know, I imagine. you know you

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have more years in the system than I do but just

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18 years in the system so many of these young

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people come back into my life as incredible adults

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and it really does become more of a friendship

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like he he won't call me Kenzo yet but he'll

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call me Shabbat he dropped the mister so that's

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that's enough that's the relationship we have

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and I call him Castro so we're even there I love

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it and I do know that feeling by the way Kenzo

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the students that I'm in my life as I've been

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in it for 30 was in it for 30 some years and

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just retired but I actually reached out to a

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former student of mine to help me on a project

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that I'm doing and you know he definitely became

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the teacher and I'm the student at this point

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but I got no problem with that because sort of

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like you said there's a beautiful Symmetry to

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the notion of being a teacher and being a learner

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that I believe that each one of us is and that

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each one of us has the capacity to teach somebody

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something else. Your story, your childhood story.

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is something that I had no idea about you. Uh,

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you know, that's, uh, I love the fact that you

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didn't steal the bikes. I'm sorry, recruited

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in the first place in the sense that it must've

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been so hard as a little fourth or fifth grader

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to have to stare down an older person and just

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go, I just don't want to do that. But, uh, that

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courage really does move me to tears in the sense

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that I know a lot of little kids, you know, don't

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have necessarily have that strength and, you

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know, they become victims to a, to a larger system.

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And that system is one that's based on the preying

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on people's weaknesses or their emotional weaknesses

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or difficulties, et cetera, that again, everybody

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does have a desire to belong. I tell you right

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now, this true story, and I don't know if that

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I'll keep it in here, but I have a great respect

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now for having metal kids that I didn't have

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minutes ago. I thought these guys are just upset

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about everything, but it turns out maybe Somebody

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is trying to say this is an alternative way to

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think non -violently or whatever. I don't know,

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but you've changed my perspective on that. So

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you've already sort of answered the question,

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but how do you think this is that memory, that

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experience has impacted who you are today? I

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mean, you're going on to social work. So I think

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there's something right there that's pretty clear,

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but go ahead. I'll stay out of the way. You know

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that the specifics of the experience I didn't

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really unpack until recently. You know the whole

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idea that like I would have been on a track to

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be in the game, but certainly like hanging out

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with the kids that I did when I was younger has

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helped me in the classroom quite a bit teaching.

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I taught at Wendell Phillips High School 39th

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and King. I taught at Hancock High School by

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Midway, even at Lakeview and at Ogden. You know

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there are you know kids that are part of that

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life. And I've never been judgmental of that,

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I'd say. I've always tried to connect with all

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students, even the ones that I know were involved

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in some bad, violent stuff outside of school,

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because I always saw it as like, you know, maybe

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they needed someone to listen to them. And I

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know that, you know, with a lot of those kids,

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it's the adults in their lives either... failed

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them or failed themselves and just couldn't be

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around for that. So I always tried to be a positive,

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positive voice in their life and kind of having

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that background of being around gang bangers

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when I was young, I understood a lot of the little

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cultural cues from it. And so I would, you know,

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I remember when I was at Lakeview, when a lot

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of the teachers weren't really too familiar with

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that stuff, they would come to me and say, Oh,

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come to my classroom and they look at the desk

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and like, what are these symbols mean? And I

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would know, I would know that's that's GD, that's

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the Kings. Oh, do you think this kid's in the

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gangster disciples? I don't think this kid's

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really in the gangster disciples, to be honest.

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I think he's in a crew and uses that as a way

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of, you know, kind of identifying with others.

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So a lot of the the nuance in that stuff, I understood,

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even though I was never really part of it. Well.

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Thank you for your story, Kenzo. I'm telling

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you, it's great to hear your voice, great to

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talk to you. I haven't talked to you in a little

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while. Like I said, now I will look at you differently

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the rest of my life. I will look at you as a

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little fourth and fifth grader who's standing

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there going, no, I don't want to steal a bike.

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That's genius. I think that's courage. That's

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something that you should be very proud of that

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moment. I hope you are, because I think it probably

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did impact. the trajectory of your life and you've

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helped out so many kids over the over the years

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and I think that you're profoundly right relative

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to you know looking at human beings kids and

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saying you know these these guys who are in the

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gangs or or associated in that it's like you

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know they got some bad breaks etc they're still

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you know struggling to make sense of their lives

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like the rest of us. And it's definitely, I'm

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sure, made you a better teacher and will make

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you a better social worker. And so I appreciate

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that. But, but anyway, great hearing your voice.

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Good to see you. Yeah, thank you very much. All

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right, well, take care. Have a great day. Well,

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that's our show. Thank our guests, Kenzo Shibata,

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