WEBVTT 00:00:26.619 --> 00:00:29.699 Hi and welcome back to Tell Me What Happened, 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:32.420 the podcast that features folks from all walks 00:00:32.420 --> 00:00:35.700 of life. telling us one true childhood story 00:00:35.700 --> 00:00:39.460 and how that event, that experience has impacted 00:00:39.460 --> 00:00:42.880 who they are as an adult. I'm your host, Jay 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:46.119 Rehack, and like all of you listeners know, I've 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:49.899 had my share of childhood traumas, dramas, and 00:00:49.899 --> 00:00:53.299 happy times. And I'd always like to think that 00:00:53.299 --> 00:00:55.380 everything that's ever happened to me has made 00:00:55.380 --> 00:00:58.399 me a better person. Now I know everybody tells 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:01.670 me that's not true. I'm not necessarily a better 00:01:01.670 --> 00:01:03.990 person for everything that's happened to me, 00:01:04.010 --> 00:01:07.530 but that's what I'd like to think. All right, 00:01:07.670 --> 00:01:11.629 today I have as my guest Martin Ross. Martin 00:01:11.629 --> 00:01:14.870 Ross is a nonprofit leader who specializes in 00:01:14.870 --> 00:01:17.829 forming trifectas for community transformation 00:01:17.829 --> 00:01:21.129 and continues to add to his 10 ,000 hours of 00:01:21.129 --> 00:01:24.310 expertise in areas of workforce development, 00:01:24.849 --> 00:01:27.890 partnerships, external affairs, and community 00:01:27.890 --> 00:01:30.930 engagement. In Spanish, He likes to call himself 00:01:30.930 --> 00:01:34.650 a fuente, or bridge builder. As an appointed 00:01:34.650 --> 00:01:37.730 person in Sacramento County, he serves as a chairman, 00:01:38.170 --> 00:01:40.810 commissioner, or committee member, and is a candidate 00:01:40.810 --> 00:01:43.230 for school board for the San Juan Unified School 00:01:43.230 --> 00:01:46.349 District Area 4. For more information on the 00:01:46.349 --> 00:01:47.870 good that he is doing in the neighborhood in 00:01:47.870 --> 00:01:50.430 practical, compassionate, and innovative ways, 00:01:50.650 --> 00:01:53.510 please follow him on social media and or go to 00:01:53.510 --> 00:01:58.670 his website at www .electmartinross .com. Welcome 00:01:58.670 --> 00:02:02.159 to the show. Martin Ross. Well, hey Jay, how 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:06.700 are you? Yeah So that that idea of the 10 ,000 00:02:06.700 --> 00:02:12.479 hours comes from Malcolm Gladwell and His book 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:15.259 I think what's that one outliers and he said 00:02:15.259 --> 00:02:18.639 if you put in 10 ,000 hours of something on anything 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:23.159 you could be really good at it and Become more 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:25.879 of a of an expert and that's a more of like a 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:27.879 differentiator. So I suppose whether it's sports 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:32.020 tiddlywinks crime or doing good in the neighborhood. 00:02:32.060 --> 00:02:34.419 If you spend some time and you put in a lot of 00:02:34.419 --> 00:02:36.699 hours, you'll become really good at it. So I'm 00:02:36.699 --> 00:02:38.900 so excited about being on this interview with 00:02:38.900 --> 00:02:42.699 you and sharing my story or one of my stories. 00:02:42.699 --> 00:02:44.500 I'm not going to be able to tell all of it, but 00:02:44.500 --> 00:02:47.560 being an identical twin and some experiences 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:52.039 with that. Well, I read a little bit about you 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:55.099 and your twin experiences. It sounds like a movie, 00:02:55.099 --> 00:02:56.900 but I'm going to let you tell the story, Martin. 00:02:57.500 --> 00:02:59.939 And I'm going to mute myself right now. I'm going 00:02:59.939 --> 00:03:01.719 to let you take it away. And at the end, I'm 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:03.319 going to come back and ask you a question or 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:05.460 two about how it's impacted your life as an adult. 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:10.319 But take it away, Martin Ross. All right. Well, 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:15.780 being an identical twin has been a lot of fun. 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:18.639 My mom used to say double the pleasure, double 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:21.460 the fun. I got two for the price of one. So I 00:03:21.460 --> 00:03:24.860 have an identical twin brother and we live in 00:03:24.860 --> 00:03:29.409 the same city. And we've been competing and helping 00:03:29.409 --> 00:03:32.050 each other, being friends with each other all 00:03:32.050 --> 00:03:37.009 of our life. But I have one story about being 00:03:37.009 --> 00:03:40.990 an identical twin when I had to actually help 00:03:40.990 --> 00:03:45.639 him. in a particular situation where he needed 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:47.719 me to be a substitute or he didn't know that 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:49.620 I needed to be a substitute for him. You have 00:03:49.620 --> 00:03:52.860 people doing things for switching for classes 00:03:52.860 --> 00:03:54.919 and grades and we were always like really good 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:58.939 kids. So we never really did any super serious 00:03:58.939 --> 00:04:01.199 twin pranks, things like that. But this one is 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:03.199 really important and I'll tell you a little bit 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:06.090 later on and how that. has affected my adult 00:04:06.090 --> 00:04:09.030 life. So both of us are black belts in Taekwondo 00:04:09.030 --> 00:04:12.949 martial arts. And we study, we practice, we sparred 00:04:12.949 --> 00:04:16.089 with one another, we ran track against one another, 00:04:16.490 --> 00:04:18.350 basketball against one another, competing in 00:04:18.350 --> 00:04:21.529 different areas. But there's this one situation 00:04:21.529 --> 00:04:25.370 where I'm on like the blue team, and he's on 00:04:25.370 --> 00:04:27.410 the red team for a martial arts tournament. And 00:04:27.410 --> 00:04:31.329 there's like 500 people or so. And black belts 00:04:31.329 --> 00:04:33.670 have a particular protocol. Now I want to let 00:04:33.670 --> 00:04:36.319 you know that My parents are from Little Rock 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.779 and North Little Rock. My dad is a retired military 00:04:39.779 --> 00:04:43.060 sergeant, 20 -year vet, decorated third highest 00:04:43.060 --> 00:04:46.899 medal in the Air Force. He decoded an ambush. 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:51.439 And my mom is a retired youth authority teacher. 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:53.639 So I always joke around and say, we couldn't 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:56.379 get away with anything in our household because 00:04:56.379 --> 00:04:58.920 it was pretty serious, very strict, but I think 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.819 very fair. So and then martial arts. there's 00:05:02.819 --> 00:05:05.480 a code of conduct too. We have courtesy, integrity, 00:05:06.060 --> 00:05:08.579 perseverance, self -control, and dominable spirit 00:05:08.579 --> 00:05:10.800 in victory. Those are the tenets of Tae Kwon 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.100 Do. So we're in this tournament and both of us 00:05:13.100 --> 00:05:16.699 are black belts. My mother comes down from the 00:05:16.699 --> 00:05:20.279 stadium and my brother and I are hoping maybe 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:22.379 we don't compete against one another for the 00:05:22.379 --> 00:05:25.279 championship, but actually we hope we do. And 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:27.660 so we're fighting each other for the championship. 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:30.860 And my mom comes down from the stands and she 00:05:30.860 --> 00:05:34.449 says, I don't want you boys fighting one another. 00:05:34.970 --> 00:05:38.589 And I don't know if I had some kind of sideways 00:05:38.589 --> 00:05:40.490 look or something like that. I don't know. I 00:05:40.490 --> 00:05:44.050 don't think so, right? Because they're from the 00:05:44.050 --> 00:05:46.470 South. So my mom would say a saying like this 00:05:46.470 --> 00:05:48.990 every once in a while, meaning pointing at the 00:05:48.990 --> 00:05:52.430 eyes. She would say, boy, don't roll those biscuits 00:05:52.430 --> 00:05:54.290 at me unless you want someone to butter them 00:05:54.290 --> 00:05:56.529 for you. And I would say, oh, yes, ma 'am. So 00:05:56.529 --> 00:05:58.670 anyway, I must have said something or one of 00:05:58.670 --> 00:06:01.449 us did. And they said, Are you talking back to 00:06:01.449 --> 00:06:04.029 your mom?" It was like, no, sir, because we never 00:06:04.029 --> 00:06:06.329 really did. They said, yes, you are. Both of 00:06:06.329 --> 00:06:09.129 you, 50 push -ups. So we're doing these 50 push 00:06:09.129 --> 00:06:12.029 -ups down there before the championship match. 00:06:12.889 --> 00:06:15.310 And so none of us want to hit each other or kick 00:06:15.310 --> 00:06:18.149 each other or punch each other. So the referee 00:06:18.149 --> 00:06:21.670 says, Rosses, 30 seconds left. I'm like, what? 00:06:21.870 --> 00:06:23.589 And then all of a sudden, my brother does this 00:06:23.589 --> 00:06:25.670 roundhouse kick and kicks me in the head. And 00:06:25.670 --> 00:06:28.209 I said, Mom said not to hit each other. So I'm 00:06:28.209 --> 00:06:32.509 chasing him. And then time runs out and I didn't 00:06:32.509 --> 00:06:35.149 win the match. And so he says, I have the biggest 00:06:35.149 --> 00:06:38.470 trophy. And I'm like, man, that's messed up. 00:06:38.709 --> 00:06:41.629 So I'm like, all right. Maybe there is some time 00:06:41.629 --> 00:06:44.029 for some kind of payback, but we're only doing 00:06:44.029 --> 00:06:46.990 good in the neighborhood. So we're in the Air 00:06:46.990 --> 00:06:49.410 Force and the Air Force to have this or Air Force 00:06:49.410 --> 00:06:51.899 family. They have this grocery store called the 00:06:51.899 --> 00:06:55.259 commissary the commissary is where you're taking 00:06:55.259 --> 00:06:58.040 a like grocery carts like at your normal store, 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.540 but you got runners running them back and forth 00:07:00.540 --> 00:07:02.939 and you get paid from tips and you can make some 00:07:02.939 --> 00:07:06.519 pretty good money and We only need it one job. 00:07:06.860 --> 00:07:10.540 So we had this bright idea. Why not on the weekends 00:07:10.540 --> 00:07:13.620 on saturdays? Let's switch the job with one another 00:07:13.620 --> 00:07:17.240 and That way we can do our sports, do our homework, 00:07:17.699 --> 00:07:20.079 and be some good citizens and, you know, have 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:23.379 a little bit of pocket change. Well, he was student 00:07:23.379 --> 00:07:26.160 body president and vice president in our high 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:29.279 school, San Juan High School in Sacramento, California 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.360 area, actually in Citrus Heights. We were right 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:35.360 on the border. And I was class president two 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.019 times. So we had to flip a coin. to make sure 00:07:38.019 --> 00:07:40.160 in that particular area we didn't compete with 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:41.879 one another. Like one went the federal route, 00:07:41.899 --> 00:07:45.139 one went the state route. So he happened to be 00:07:45.139 --> 00:07:47.800 student body president that year. This was senior 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:52.180 year, too, by the way. And so he thought he was 00:07:52.180 --> 00:07:55.879 supposed to give the entering speech to the entering 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:58.800 freshman class. And he thought for some reason 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.199 that was later on in the evening and not in the 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:04.860 morning. So he went to work. And it just so happened 00:08:04.860 --> 00:08:08.480 to be that night when I was dutifully washing 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:12.300 the dishes, I said, if I were student body president, 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:15.000 what would I say to the entering freshman class? 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:19.019 Well, maybe there's something about twin intuition 00:08:19.019 --> 00:08:22.019 or whatnot. He went to the job. And then I get 00:08:22.019 --> 00:08:24.420 a call from the school secretary, and she says, 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:27.000 Martin, where's your brother? And I'm like, well, 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:29.060 he went to work. And he said, well, you're supposed 00:08:29.060 --> 00:08:30.860 to be giving this speech to the entering freshman 00:08:30.860 --> 00:08:33.720 class. And I said, well, OK, well, he's not here. 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:35.220 And she said, well, you come then. I'm like. 00:08:35.419 --> 00:08:37.580 Okay, I got to help out my brother. I got to 00:08:37.580 --> 00:08:40.980 do something so I get there I walk in and I tell 00:08:40.980 --> 00:08:43.080 the vice principal that's standing at the door 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:45.360 I said I just have to tell you something I'm 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:47.059 not my brother and he says what and he gives 00:08:47.059 --> 00:08:49.919 me a thumbs up and then I go and I walk to the 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:53.460 front of the auditorium and The principal says 00:08:53.460 --> 00:08:57.259 no problem mark. His real name is mark ton Mar 00:08:57.259 --> 00:09:00.179 kto in and my name is Martin and we have the 00:09:00.179 --> 00:09:02.909 same middle name He said mark. Come on up And 00:09:02.909 --> 00:09:05.330 so when I sit down, the back of the chair falls 00:09:05.330 --> 00:09:08.669 out and I'm flat on my back, 400 freshmen give 00:09:08.669 --> 00:09:11.690 me this standing ovation. And I'm like, wow, 00:09:11.950 --> 00:09:14.509 man, this is messed up. And so I have to go up 00:09:14.509 --> 00:09:16.629 and give this speech. I'm talking about goal 00:09:16.629 --> 00:09:19.590 setting, how to achieve things in life, et cetera. 00:09:20.309 --> 00:09:22.409 And, you know, martial arts, other things they 00:09:22.409 --> 00:09:24.309 tell you, you know, you have to the show must 00:09:24.309 --> 00:09:27.429 go on. I went on and did it. I said, you know, 00:09:27.450 --> 00:09:29.509 the parents were saying that was a great speech. 00:09:29.970 --> 00:09:32.710 I said what? I still got to do with my fellow 00:09:32.710 --> 00:09:35.409 students here. Maybe they'll forget after the 00:09:35.409 --> 00:09:36.990 speech, but they weren't forgetting. They were 00:09:36.990 --> 00:09:39.070 laughing, but the parents loved it. So I thought, 00:09:39.149 --> 00:09:42.029 wow, OK, well, maybe when we go back to school 00:09:42.029 --> 00:09:45.850 next week, first day of class. maybe they'll 00:09:45.850 --> 00:09:48.129 forget. So I'm walking in, they're laughing. 00:09:48.470 --> 00:09:51.509 And they said, hey, aren't you the guy that fell 00:09:51.509 --> 00:09:54.210 out of the chair giving the speech to the entering 00:09:54.210 --> 00:09:57.470 freshman class, the student body president? And 00:09:57.470 --> 00:10:00.769 I said, no, it's not me. It's that guy over there 00:10:00.769 --> 00:10:04.330 at locker 142C him. So I got a chance to pay 00:10:04.330 --> 00:10:06.889 him back. I got the glory. He got the shame for 00:10:06.889 --> 00:10:10.590 the whole year. And so He claims he has the biggest 00:10:10.590 --> 00:10:13.690 martial arts trophy, but I'm saying, well, you're 00:10:13.690 --> 00:10:16.490 the one that fell out of the chair in front of 00:10:16.490 --> 00:10:19.470 a freshman. So pay back to you. So that's my 00:10:19.470 --> 00:10:22.610 story. Thank you. That's great, man. I mean, 00:10:22.610 --> 00:10:25.850 I love to pay back. He spends the year sort of 00:10:25.850 --> 00:10:28.690 embarrassed a little bit, and it's a fun story. 00:10:28.850 --> 00:10:30.730 I mean, I like the fact that you're brothers 00:10:30.730 --> 00:10:33.950 and you still get along. Oh, yes, for sure. You 00:10:33.950 --> 00:10:36.809 know, you compete and yet at the same time you're. 00:10:36.789 --> 00:10:39.470 obviously love each other, et cetera. And I think 00:10:39.470 --> 00:10:42.850 that's excellent. So how do you think growing 00:10:42.850 --> 00:10:47.190 up as a twin or maybe just experiencing shared 00:10:47.190 --> 00:10:49.090 experiences with your brother or however you 00:10:49.090 --> 00:10:51.909 want to look at it, how do you think that's impacted 00:10:51.909 --> 00:10:56.190 who you are as an adult today? Both of us, through 00:10:56.190 --> 00:11:00.070 that whole experience, we still want to make 00:11:00.070 --> 00:11:03.490 strong contributions to society. And, you know, 00:11:03.610 --> 00:11:06.549 you really, you're going to have mess -ups and 00:11:06.549 --> 00:11:09.330 mistakes and things like that. And that was probably 00:11:09.330 --> 00:11:11.269 one of the, you know, most people would have 00:11:11.269 --> 00:11:13.649 probably walked off the stage and couldn't do 00:11:13.649 --> 00:11:17.389 the speech, but you have to be able to continue 00:11:17.389 --> 00:11:20.450 to follow through and realize that everything's 00:11:20.450 --> 00:11:23.370 not going to go as perfectly as you would like 00:11:23.370 --> 00:11:26.149 it to be in life. So you still have to press 00:11:26.149 --> 00:11:28.250 forward. That's what martial arts taught us. 00:11:28.509 --> 00:11:30.269 That's what our parents taught us coming from 00:11:30.269 --> 00:11:33.730 the South, right? You know, my uncle was the 00:11:33.730 --> 00:11:35.629 court case. I don't know if you heard of the 00:11:35.629 --> 00:11:37.429 Little Rock Nine. That was the integration of 00:11:37.429 --> 00:11:40.909 Central High School. My uncle was the court case 00:11:40.909 --> 00:11:44.049 basis for the Little Rock Nine. He was one of 00:11:44.049 --> 00:11:46.789 the sharpest kids in Arkansas, and Mrs. Daisy 00:11:46.789 --> 00:11:51.129 Bates asked him to try to enter into the University 00:11:51.129 --> 00:11:53.549 of Arkansas knowing that he was not going to 00:11:53.549 --> 00:11:57.529 be admitted. And knowing that he was not, then 00:11:57.529 --> 00:12:00.730 they went back. and did that challenge of the 00:12:00.730 --> 00:12:03.809 separate but equal and so forth. So growing up 00:12:03.809 --> 00:12:07.190 where I grew up being one of the first African 00:12:07.190 --> 00:12:10.309 -American families being in the military in the 00:12:10.309 --> 00:12:12.610 area that I grew up in Sacramento, sometimes 00:12:12.610 --> 00:12:15.049 it was tough. But sometimes it was really good. 00:12:15.330 --> 00:12:17.570 But the main thing that they said, you have to 00:12:17.570 --> 00:12:20.809 keep pressing forward. You've got to be the ambassador. 00:12:21.190 --> 00:12:23.330 You have to be that Puente that we talked about 00:12:23.330 --> 00:12:25.649 when I picked up as I speak Spanish relatively 00:12:25.649 --> 00:12:28.230 fluently, Tito Puente. And I was like, man, that's 00:12:28.230 --> 00:12:30.409 a cool name to have bridge in your last name. 00:12:30.509 --> 00:12:32.830 And so I always saw myself as an ambassador, 00:12:33.269 --> 00:12:36.509 as a bridge builder in all the communities that 00:12:36.509 --> 00:12:41.370 I've served. whether Indian tribal group in Scottsdale 00:12:41.370 --> 00:12:44.809 or Compton, California for seven years. I was 00:12:44.809 --> 00:12:47.590 the bridge between I was only this only African 00:12:47.590 --> 00:12:50.389 American that we were aware of as my ministry 00:12:50.389 --> 00:12:52.710 at the Salvation Army for 20 years. I was an 00:12:52.710 --> 00:12:56.470 engineer before that. So there you go. Thank 00:12:56.470 --> 00:12:59.429 you very much. I know my audience is going to 00:12:59.429 --> 00:13:02.230 want me to ask you this question. And that question 00:13:02.230 --> 00:13:05.759 is, did you ever switch? When you were dating 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:07.720 your people did your brother ever switch for 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:09.950 you or you ever switch for your brother? Well, 00:13:10.169 --> 00:13:12.809 no, we never switched. There's not an evil twin 00:13:12.809 --> 00:13:16.250 or a bad twin. We're both doing good. But one 00:13:16.250 --> 00:13:18.490 day, here's the funny thing, this last one, we 00:13:18.490 --> 00:13:21.970 were in New York. We had an argument and we talk 00:13:21.970 --> 00:13:25.049 about mental telepathy. At the end, we came back. 00:13:25.210 --> 00:13:26.730 We made up as friends. We've always been friends. 00:13:26.870 --> 00:13:29.169 And I said, well, we went to Harlem, in Harlem, 00:13:29.210 --> 00:13:30.990 New York. We said, well, where did you go? He 00:13:30.990 --> 00:13:33.370 went to the same record store. He went to the 00:13:33.370 --> 00:13:35.750 same shops. And I said, well, what did you buy? 00:13:36.860 --> 00:13:40.100 he pulled out these shirts for our mother and 00:13:40.100 --> 00:13:43.320 father and sister, and we had bought the exact 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:47.820 same shirts, exact everything, and went to the 00:13:47.820 --> 00:13:50.820 same record stores and everything. So no, we 00:13:50.820 --> 00:13:55.000 didn't switch, but we do have this twin telepathy 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:57.059 type of thing going on. So there must be something 00:13:57.059 --> 00:13:59.200 real to that. I don't know. That was the weirdest 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:01.759 thing that ever happened. So that's another story 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:04.809 though. All right. Well, thank you, Martin Ross, 00:14:04.870 --> 00:14:07.230 for being on the show. I really appreciate it. 00:14:07.470 --> 00:14:11.029 The story is interesting. I know nothing about 00:14:11.029 --> 00:14:13.970 twins other than what I've seen. And some get 00:14:13.970 --> 00:14:16.429 along and some don't. I'm really happy that you 00:14:16.429 --> 00:14:19.610 do with Mark. That's great. Anything you want 00:14:19.610 --> 00:14:23.529 to say in closing? Well, I just want to say thank 00:14:23.529 --> 00:14:28.039 you, Jay. Thanks to Jeff. out here in Sacramento 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.779 area that connected us. And what I want to say 00:14:30.779 --> 00:14:33.639 is, if folks want to learn more about me and 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:36.139 collectively do some good in the neighborhood, 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:38.759 you know, being practical and compassionate and 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:40.519 innovative. And that's me, you know, trying to 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:42.240 leave this world empty because all the gifts 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:44.559 we've been given, we've freely given away. Reach 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:49.059 out to me at electmarchandross .com or you can 00:14:49.059 --> 00:14:51.860 find me on social media at all of them, either 00:14:51.860 --> 00:14:55.679 at LinkedIn, Instagram. or Facebook and just 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:58.379 look up March and Ross. You'll see me on there 00:14:58.379 --> 00:15:01.000 and I'd love to hear from you, connect with you 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:03.379 in the community. And let's make a difference 00:15:03.379 --> 00:15:05.100 together because we're better together. Thank 00:15:05.100 --> 00:15:07.320 you so much. Beautiful. All right. Well, thank 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.419 you, Martin, for being on this show. Shout out 00:15:09.419 --> 00:15:11.980 to my good friend out in Sacramento, Jeff Holden, 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:14.659 who you referred to, who is part of the MultiPoint 00:15:14.659 --> 00:15:18.320 Strategies and Nonprofit Network out there in 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.820 Sacramento. He hooked this up and I do appreciate 00:15:20.820 --> 00:15:23.940 it, Jeff. All right. Well, that's our show. So 00:15:23.940 --> 00:15:26.860 until next time, this is Jay Reheck asking you 00:15:26.860 --> 00:15:29.539 all to please stay safe out there and try not 00:15:29.539 --> 00:15:30.360 to hurt anybody.