1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:29,000 I want to hear your story, your point of view, tell me what happened to you. 2 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:42,000 Welcome back to Tell Me What Happened to You, the podcast that features folks from all walks of life telling us one true childhood story and how that event, that experience has impacted who they are today. 3 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:51,000 I'm your host, Jay Rehack. Like you, I've had my share of childhood experiences. Some of them painful, some of them pretty nice. 4 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,000 But I like to think that everything that ever happened to me is maybe a better person. 5 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Now that may not be true, but that's the way I like to think. 6 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Tell Me What Happened is sponsored by Sidelining Publishing, publishers of quality books, including Susan Salivar's classics, I've Got Peace in My Fingers, and One Little Act of Kindness. 7 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Alright, today is season four premiere, and I pulled off a coup. I got the great Ben Joravsky, anybody who lives in Chicago knows who this man is, and probably a lot wider than that. 8 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:39,000 But Ben Joravsky is a Chicago reader-comgnist, and he's host of the Ben Joravsky Show, a daily podcast. 9 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:46,000 He's also, and probably most importantly, a friend of mine and a man that I have great respect for. 10 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Welcome to the show, Ben Joravsky. 11 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Thank you, Jay. And let me do some promotion. 12 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Jay Rehack was a guest on my show. So I want everybody to go check it out when you're done listening to this. 13 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Don't take a break. Just go right back and listen to the show where Jay was on. We do a deep dive on pensions. 14 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:16,000 I promise you, Jay, I will not be discussing pensions on today's show. I know a lot of you out there want me to discuss pensions, and you probably think my earliest childhood memory had to do with pensions. 15 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:25,000 But that is not true, okay? My earliest childhood memory had nothing to do with pensions. I didn't even know pensions existed until I met Jay Rehack. 16 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,000 So anyway, no pension talk today, Jay. 17 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Alright, Ben, no pension talk, but I'm glad that you did mention your show. I'm a big fan of your show. It's a heck of a lot bigger than mine, but that's, I'm not comparing sizes. That's not fine. 18 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Come on, man. That's fine. 19 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Anyway, let's move past all that. 20 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Yes. 21 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Size doesn't matter. Anyway, Ben, are you ready to tell your story? 22 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Yes, sir. 23 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,000 Now, Ben, what I'm going to do is I'm going to mute myself. 24 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,000 Okay. 25 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:57,000 And as soon as you're finished with your story, I'm going to come back and ask you absolutely one question. And that one question is this. 26 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:03,000 How do you think that what happened to you as a child, this experience that you talked about, has impacted who you are today? 27 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,000 So take it away. Ben, Jonowski. 28 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Alright, very good. So when Jay asked me to come on the show and recollect a memory that shaped who I am, I had a lot of memories to recollect, ladies and gentlemen, because I've lived a few years. 29 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,000 I am even older than Jay Rehack, if such a thing as possible. 30 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:30,000 So a lot of the memories that I have are traumatic ones. 31 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:43,000 And we live, I was just talking about this with a dear friend. We live in a time where people, I think, are finally coming face to face with the traumas that they experienced in their early ages and early days in their youth. 32 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:50,000 And this is like a prominent theme in media today. I was telling Jay, I was urging him to watch episode six from the bear. 33 00:03:50,000 --> 00:04:05,000 He dutifully did it. I can credit he did his homework. And in episode six of the bear, it's this horrific Christmas dinner in which the family is exposed to all the toxicity of the other family members. 34 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Everybody's nuts in their own way. Everybody's embittered. Everybody's traumatized. 35 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:21,000 There's people who drink too much can't control the liquor, etc. and so forth. And it's just like a devilish Peru that poisons absolutely every character. 36 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:35,000 And I could tell you a few stories like that. I could Jay Rehack, but I decided to go in a different direction and not deal with stories that traumatize me. 37 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:48,000 But in a sense, a story that sort of shaped me and it's a story I've never told before. But it's a story I've been thinking about because Jay actually I've been thinking a lot about this stuff as I move on with each advancing day. 38 00:04:48,000 --> 00:05:08,000 So this story goes back to the summer of 1965. Ladies and gentlemen, 1965. I was nine years old. But in those days, my family lived in Rhode Island. I used to live in Rhode Island before my family moved to Avonston. 39 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:20,000 And so every summer, my parents sent me to camp. We were a very middle class family. And that's what middle class families did back in the 60s. 40 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:30,000 And on top of that, I think my parents just wanted to get me and my sister out of the house for whatever reason. So off to camp we went and we were told it's for your own good. 41 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:42,000 So I kind of enjoy camp summer camp. You know, I have pretty good memories of summer camp. But there's one particular summer camp. He was in Massachusetts. Positive. It's a Massachusetts. It's been a long time. Ladies and gentlemen, 1965. 42 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:58,000 And so at the end of the year, there was a campfire. And at the campfire, this very creative counselor who I can't have no memory of the person's face even. It's a long time ago, but I do remember the story. 43 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:04,000 I told a scary story and the story was called the green. 44 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:14,000 And in this story, the story begins, the counselor saying, here we are. Forget the name of the towns. Let's say it's Jones Town, Massachusetts. There is no Jones Town, Massachusetts. 45 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Say ladies and gentlemen, okay, just ride with me that it was Jones Town. And in Jones Town, Massachusetts, in the year 1765. 1765. 46 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:37,000 There was a farmer who lived all alone. And in those days, nobody lived in this area. It was like wilderness. 47 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:45,000 And this farmer one day, in August of 1765, went out to chop some wood. 48 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:53,000 He had a very bad accident. And instead of chopping the wood, he chopped off his hand. 49 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,000 And he was screaming in agony. 50 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:07,000 As he lay on the ground, but there's the wilderness, there's no one around the hero. And eventually he died from the injury and the loss of blood. 51 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:17,000 100 years later, in that same general area of Jones Town, Massachusetts, more people live there now. It's more settled. 52 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:29,000 There was another farmer and his wife, and they lived in like the same plot of land where that farmer in 1765 had cut off his hand. 53 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:38,000 And they were going to bed, were asleep. All of a sudden at two in the morning, there's a tapping on the window. 54 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:47,000 And they woke from their sleep and through the window like magic came to screen hand dripping blood. 55 00:07:47,000 --> 00:08:02,000 And they were screaming, and it was still wasn't there were a lot of people around and they were looking here to screams wrapped around the farmer's neck and strangled him. 56 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Then the green hand strangled the wife and their body. I'm sorry, people, their bodies were discovered the next day. 57 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:20,000 And on the window written in blood was the green hand. 58 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:35,000 And they figured out that the place was cursed. And that every 100 years, that green hand would return to strangle somebody. 59 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:41,000 And that last time the green hand was there was August 1865. 60 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Well, kids, guess what it is now? August 1965. 61 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,000 That was the story that I told us my memory of the story. I think he probably did a better job. But that's my memory of the story. 62 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:03,000 I was like, Horrified. I'm so scared of the green hand. The green is going to get me. Oh, no. 63 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:09,000 That night out there, I tossed and turned a little tent that we had, you know. 64 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Thankfully, there was no green hand by this job. 65 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Next year, I went on to fifth grade young scholar, Barrington Elementary School. 66 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:26,000 And one day, like four months into the school year, long after was probably 66 by now. 67 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Yeah, J. Rehack. It was probably 1966 J. Reha just like a young J. Rehack in 1966. Listen, listen in the shindig and hullabaloo. 68 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:42,000 Okay. And the monkeys, he loved the monkeys, man, but I'm not reminiscing about J. Just go 1966 young J. Reha. 69 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:48,000 1966 fifth grade, the teacher says, calls us in. She goes, All right, class. 70 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,000 Your next assignment is you have to write a story. 71 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,000 You have to write a story just you have to bet, you know, do your own story. 72 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:03,000 I'm like, I don't know what to write about. I'm not. I wasn't the greatest of all scholars, ladies and gentlemen. 73 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:09,000 I'm thinking, I'm thinking, finally hit me. Why don't you write the green hand? 74 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:18,000 You know, that's a story. So it was still fresh to memory. I probably have you a better memory of it than obviously that I do now. 75 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:26,000 So I wrote it out. I wrote the story at a green hand. I like a page and a half. I turned it in. 76 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:41,000 And the next day or whatever, whatever it was that the teacher had graded the papers. The teacher did something for me that has never happened to me before since the teacher called me out. 77 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,000 She said, the best story. 78 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:51,000 I must share this with you is by Benny Jerovsky that everybody call me Benny. 79 00:10:51,000 --> 00:11:01,000 And it's called the green hand. And this teacher read my story to the class. 80 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:10,000 When she was done reading the green hand, which is essentially the exact same story I told you, ladies and gentlemen, only you got any credit for this. 81 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,000 I changed it from Jonestown, Massachusetts. 82 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:29,000 And August of 1965. Yeah, incredible. I updated it to like, let's say whatever it's February 66 and Barrington, Rhode Island. 83 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:36,000 When she was done, the class burst into applause. 84 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:45,000 Ladies and gentlemen, they clap, they cheered. The story, I was sitting there basking the glory of it all. 85 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:54,000 I kind of felt like, like what Beatles or something, you know, I was like one time and I'm like people spontaneously cheered. 86 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:06,000 And I have now spent the last 40 something years of my life as a writer. 87 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:17,000 And I have essentially done as a writer what I did back as a kid in that class. 88 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:31,000 I listened. I listened carefully. I recreated what I heard as best I could and I put it in story like for. 89 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:41,000 And I've been doing that now, ladies and gentlemen, since roughly 1979, J. Rehack, 1979. 90 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:48,000 I've never had anybody burst in the spontaneous applause for anything I wrote. 91 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,000 I have had a few moments like on a train. 92 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,000 This is any reader writer can tell you they probably had a moment like this. 93 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:05,000 I'm sitting on the subway and I'm watching something someone reading one of my articles, which is a real trip to do for many different reasons. 94 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:27,000 But I think I really believe in many ways that my life as a writer as a nonfiction journalist began back in 1965 with my retelling of the story of the Green Hand. 95 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:37,000 And just to remind you, ladies and gentlemen, I had it wrong. In actuality. The Green Hand lived in Chicago, Illinois. 96 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:43,000 And it was August. I got to do the math, J. Rehack. 97 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:55,000 It was August of eight. No, 1723. God, I'm bad at math. Good thing I'm a writer. 98 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:00,000 So that's my story, J. Rehack, the Green Hand. 99 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:08,000 Well, Ben, I'm going to look at your stories a little differently from now on. I didn't realize you were a horror fiction fan back in the day. 100 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:15,000 And were you worried at all that somebody was going to say, Hey, I heard that story before. Was that coming to your head at all or not at all? 101 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:24,000 In 1965? Never. Absolutely. It didn't occur to me. I was just desperate, man. I had to get something in and I did the Green Hand. 102 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:32,000 And you know what? It's funny, because years later, not about 10 years ago, I had a conversation with a Chicago guy. 103 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:42,000 He wanted me to write a book about his life and it never happened. But I remember him telling me like he supplied the stories. 104 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:50,000 I had the easy job because I just wrote them down. And I'm like, Oh, this is the guy who never listened to anyone. 105 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Okay, I'm not going to mention his name. He never listened to anyone. So I go, it's not hard to listen. I got to listen to you. 106 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:01,000 And I got to write down what you say. And they got to put it in a coherent order. Oh, that's nothing. 107 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:06,000 In his mind, it was just like whatever came out of his mouth was the real stuff. You know what I mean? 108 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,000 And so whatever I did is the as told to guy. 109 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:15,000 Effectively, I was an as told to writer writing the official story of the Green Hand. 110 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:34,000 I was a Green Hands ghostwriter, if you will. And so I like to believe that there is a certain amount of what talent skill, a craft involved in being the writer who gathers the information processes the information puts into the 111 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:39,000 some kind of order and then writes it up for people to read. 112 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:47,000 And I agree with you 100% on that because I've been reading your articles for as long as I can remember I've been in Chicago for since 1984. 113 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:55,000 I don't want you know, just the reader, you know, whatever. And you sort of make things coherent for the for the regular guy. 114 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:08,000 I didn't know about the Green Hand. And I do think of you more as a nonfiction writer because you spend a lot of your time ripping on the local politicians and stuff, you know what I mean? 115 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,000 But let me just ask you, have you have you written fiction, just straight fiction of your own? 116 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Yes. 117 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:19,000 Oh, good. And I'm not good at it. And I realize I'm an obsessive reader of fiction. 118 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,000 Okay. 119 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:25,000 I read far more fiction than nonfiction. 120 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:34,000 It leads it's at least four to one. And I'm an obsessive reader anyway, up to 230 or three last night, three o'clock, finishing a book. 121 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:39,000 And so I read about a novel a week. 122 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,000 Wow. 123 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:46,000 I know it's my hobby and my I don't know what I would do without reading. 124 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,000 Maybe a meditation or something. 125 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,000 So I read at night I read in the morning, actually. So everything's quiet. 126 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,000 I my phone is nowhere near me. And I just that's the best time for me to read. 127 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:04,000 And so you would think of having read all that fiction that I would like be good at fiction. 128 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:14,000 But no, not I get in my way and I stumble and and then the voice if I like the voice that I have in my mind is not. 129 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,000 It's a nonfiction voice. 130 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,000 It's so weird, but it's it's got it like a narrative. 131 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,000 It's got a form. 132 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,000 It's what I'm familiar with. 133 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,000 It's what I know. 134 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:30,000 And so it doesn't really lend itself to fiction, though I have tried writing fiction, but not for me. 135 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,000 Well, I hope you try it again, but I do love your nonfiction like everybody in Chicago. 136 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,000 So that's pretty cool. 137 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,000 You know what I mean? 138 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:45,000 And sorry that you haven't written, you know, more fiction, but again, sort of to the benefit of the rest of us because it's sort of muck raker. 139 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,000 You know what I mean? 140 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:51,000 And I appreciate your story in a way it really does speak to who you are. 141 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:59,000 And I think in the sense that you are a great listener, I guess, you know, and you put it, you know, out for us after after you hear it. 142 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000 And that's a skill, of course. 143 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:06,000 So just in short, yeah, how do you think that that experience definitely impacted who you are today? 144 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Just succinctly. 145 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:18,000 Well, I think that like any nonfiction writer or any writer, it's it's how I put this. 146 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Writing is very solitary experience. 147 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:30,000 And it's a strange experience because it's something you do all by yourself, unless you obviously as a co writer, I've had a few more than a few over the years. 148 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,000 But it's something you do very much by yourself. 149 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,000 It's a voice you hear in your head. 150 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:44,000 It's it's it's a very strange, almost schizophrenic experience to go through to be a writer to hear voices in your head. 151 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:50,000 And then try to put them get them on the page, like they sound in your head. 152 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:57,000 And a lot of times, as you know, Jay, because you've done writing, it sounds better in your head than when it comes on the paper. 153 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,000 And then there's the rewriting. 154 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:06,000 And then part of the joy, in my opinion, of writing is when you've got the piece, the rough draft, like I'll show you right here. 155 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,000 This is rough draft on my next reader column. 156 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,000 And it's there. 157 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:20,000 So now I'll have the joy of fine tuning it, deleting passages that don't work rewriting passages so that they're tighter, funnier, smarter, etc. 158 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,000 And so forth. 159 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:29,000 So that process of writing, very solitary process, but then there's the like the letting go. 160 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,000 Yeah, deliver to the audience. 161 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:37,000 And that moment is a scary moment for me anyway. 162 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,000 It's like, because you have no idea how people are going to respond. 163 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:49,000 So I was talking about seeing somebody on the train, like one time I remember seeing someone they were reading my they were turning the pages of the reader. 164 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:56,000 This is like the actual newspaper, the reader, they weren't reading on a phone and they were turning the pages and they came to my page. 165 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,000 And then they turned the page. 166 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:03,000 I'm like, wait, hold on. 167 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,000 You're missing. 168 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,000 You didn't read. 169 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,000 And then they were like, oh, I know they had already read it. 170 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,000 Who knows. 171 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:13,000 So but there's that moment when you deliver it and the thing about the green hand, like it. 172 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000 I recreated what I heard. 173 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,000 I got it on the page. 174 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000 It's like the first time I've ever done that. 175 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,000 Right. 176 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,000 I got through that moment. 177 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,000 And then I had the response, the spontaneous applause. 178 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,000 Yeah. 179 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,000 And I've never had that. 180 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,000 I mean, I've done readings, you know, where and then people clap. 181 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,000 I know you do. 182 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,000 I do. 183 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000 Yeah, I'm not there. 184 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,000 I'm like, I literally not on it. 185 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,000 Like if someone's like, this is so good. 186 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,000 This article you wrote about pensions is so good and they're clapping. 187 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:56,000 But so I feel as though, like in some ways I've been chasing that high ever since, you know what I mean? 188 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Like, where's the spot? 189 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,000 Where's the where's the cheers from the crowd? 190 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,000 But you know, you get it bits and pieces of people tell you how much they like your stuff. 191 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:12,000 There's a nice, a sunny, a nice email or a text or what have you and, you know, and then it accumulates over the years. 192 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,000 So, you know, you have an impact of people have been reading it and they remember articles you wrote. 193 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:23,000 So in its own way, it's kind of sort of like that moment in 1966 when. 194 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,000 Yeah, just spread out Ben. 195 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,000 That's all. 196 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000 You got the intense. 197 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,000 Yeah. 198 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:35,000 You got the injection back in 65, 66 and now you just, you get it in smaller doses. 199 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,000 But yeah. 200 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,000 Well, thank you. 201 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:46,000 I love it because, you know, I am a little bit of a writer and I think about what motivates me to write stories, etc. 202 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,000 And I don't write the same stuff that you write. 203 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000 You're sort of a hard hitting. 204 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:57,000 I guess, hey, muckrakers, what I think of, you know, you sort of break it down for everybody to understand what's going on in this, this particular town. 205 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:06,000 And I've always appreciated that because I just get angry and write a mean tweet and call it done, you know, and it's like, I'm not going to write a whole article about this. 206 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,000 This is the whole thing. 207 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,000 You know, I just, you guys are full of it, you know, full of it. 208 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,000 That's it. 209 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,000 And I'm done. 210 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,000 And I wait for you or somebody else to break it down a little bit more specifically and precisely. 211 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,000 So thanks for hanging in there and doing all that all these years. 212 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,000 Because I say that the people in this town know who you are. 213 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,000 I told people this morning, actually, that I was interviewing and they're like, really? 214 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,000 That's so cool. 215 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,000 I'm like, yeah, I know. 216 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,000 I got, I got some big hitters on my, my season four. 217 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,000 So you're my season four opener. 218 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,000 You may know that I like to thank you for being on the show. 219 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:45,000 It means a lot to me to connect with you and we appreciate you. 220 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,000 Well, thank you very much, Jay. 221 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,000 And urge everyone. 222 00:22:48,000 --> 00:23:01,000 If you're listening to this, if you want to see read some of the stuff I do, that's a little not just not that there should be just not just the heart rate, the muck raking or the investigations or the analysis. 223 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:06,000 The reader newsletter that are at once a week have fun with it kind of off the wall stuff. 224 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,000 And so I would go ready to find that it's really simple. 225 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,000 Just go to the Chicago reader and you can find any subscribe you get it. 226 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,000 It's a little different flavor, a sort of slices of life. 227 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,000 I enjoyed writing that immensely. 228 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:24,000 In fact, I got it when we're done with this, I got to get back to it and write it because I got a deadline. 229 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,000 What else? 230 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,000 Another deadline in my life. 231 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,000 Another deadline. 232 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,000 All right. 233 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:35,000 Well, listen, I'm going to include that link to the Chicago reader the weekly in your bio so that people can get it. 234 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,000 Okay. 235 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,000 And subscribe to it. 236 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,000 Absolutely. 237 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,000 It's excellent. 238 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,000 It's excellent. 239 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,000 All right. 240 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:49,000 And then Jarabski, the Ben Jarabski for being on the show, like to thank my sponsor, sorry, lightning publishing publishers, equality books. 241 00:23:49,000 --> 00:24:13,000 And so until next time, this is Jay Rehack asking you all to please stay safe out there and try not to hurt anybody. 242 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,000 Thank you.