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Welcome to the Deep Dive. We're here to really

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get under the skin of important ideas, and today

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we're tackling something huge, something that

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shapes almost everything, but we barely question

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it. The whole idea of average, what if, and this

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is the big question, what if our obsession with

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averages, with these statistical norms, is actually

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stopping us, stopping us from seeing real talent,

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from creating real opportunities? It's a really

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powerful question. And for this deep dive, we're

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exploring the insights from Todd Rose's book,

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The End of Average, you know, how we succeed

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in a world that values sameness. And his core

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argument, really, is that valuing your weakness

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isn't just like a nice fuzzy idea, it's absolutely

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essential. For individuals, sure, but also for

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organizations, for society as a whole, it's about

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success. Yeah. And the real world examples are

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just, they can be pretty surprising. They really

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flip how you think about potential. So to kick

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us off, let's talk about something kind of dramatic.

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Military pilots. Trashing planes. And the solution

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wasn't what anyone expected. Think about it,

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how often do you maybe rely on average data?

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Maybe for work decisions, health stuff? This

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story really makes you question that. So the

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story Rose starts with is pretty incredible.

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You had these military pilots, right? And they

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kept having these unexplained crashes. And the

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first reaction, naturally, was, well, it must

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be the pilots. Pilot error. Exactly. That was

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the assumption. But what they found, and this

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is really astonishing, it wasn't about the pilot

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skills at all. It was the cockpits, the actual

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physical space they're in. It turns out these

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cockpits were designed for an average pilot.

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But average based on measurements from way back

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in 1926. 1926, wow. Yeah, way back. And here's

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the kicker. They measured over 4 ,000 pilots

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later on. And not one single pilot, not one,

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actually matched all the dimensions of the so

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-called average. Nobody was average. Nobody fit

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all the average dimensions. Maybe they had average

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arm length, but not leg length or average height,

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but not torso length, you know. So the problem

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wasn't the pilots being bad. It was this fundamental

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mismatch. Their unique bodies just didn't fit

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the rigid one size fits all machine. Right. And

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the fix. Well, it seems so obvious now, but apparently

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it wasn't then. It was simple. Build adjustable

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seats, adjustable controls, make the cockpit

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fit the pilot. Not the other way around, but

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manufacturers pushed back, right? Said it's too

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expensive. They did. There was resistance. But

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they eventually did it. And the result? Immediate.

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The crashes stopped. Just like that. That's incredible.

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Such a clear powerful example. It just proves

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how adapting to, you know, individual variation

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can solve huge problems, life and death problems

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even. And that story, that pilot story, it's

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the perfect way into what Rose calls the jagged

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principle. It's really the core idea from the

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book. It says that talent, or honestly any quality

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we try to measure in people, it's not one single

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thing. It's not a straight line. Okay, so not

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one dimensional. Exactly. Think of it more like

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a mountain range on a graph. You know, some peaks

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are high, some are low. Your profile across different

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abilities or traits is always going to be, well,

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jagged, not some smooth average line. That makes

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a lot of sense when you put it like that, like

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intuitively. Yeah. But our systems, schools,

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workplaces, they often don't work that way, do

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they? So what happens then? What are the consequences

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when we try to treat people who are naturally

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jagged as if they're supposed to fit this flat

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average mold. Well, the main consequence is we

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just miss so much. We miss the richness, the

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variation that actually describes someone's real

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abilities, their real strengths. We end up with

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this really incomplete picture. Often it's totally

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misleading. Take something like aggression, for

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example. We might label someone aggressive, right?

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Right. And expect them to be aggressive all the

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time, everywhere. Yeah, look, it's a fixed trait.

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Exactly. But the research actually shows that

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behavior is often super dependent on context.

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You might have a child who acts aggressively

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at school, but maybe only toward the bullies

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who are picking on others. And that same child

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might be totally fine, not aggressive at all

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with other classmates or with adults. So this

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really challenges that old idea that we have

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these fixed essential traits that define us in

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every situation. We're more complex than that.

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Our traits are, well, jagged. And, you know,

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this whole intense focus we have on averages,

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on ranking against an average, it didn't just

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appear out of nowhere. Rose traces the history.

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A lot of it goes back to people like Frederick

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Taylor, early 20th century. Taylor was all about

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factory efficiency, scientific management, breaking

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tasks down, standardizing everything for the

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average worker to boost output. OK, manufacturing

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efficiency. Makes sense there, maybe. Well, yeah,

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for making widgets, maybe. But then that same

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thinking, that focus on standardization and averages,

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got applied to education. The idea was to create

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a system that would churn out workers for that

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industrial economy, standardized students for

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standardized jobs. And it also ties into some

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older psychological ideas, these assumptions

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that people have unchanging sort of essential

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traits like we were just saying with aggression.

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So we inherited this mindset from like optimizing

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factories and old psych theories. Yeah. Okay,

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here's where I think it gets really critical

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for us today. What are the actual tangible downsides

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now? for businesses, for schools, for individuals

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when we still operate with this average mindset.

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Oh, the downsides are huge. I mean, fundamentally,

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a massive amount of talent just gets overlooked.

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It goes completely unrecognized and worse, unused.

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It's like imagine prospecting for gold, but you

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only include the nuggets that are exactly the

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average size and shape. You'd throw away a fortune,

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right? Yeah, absolutely. So it genuinely creates

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this lose lose situation. Organizations, businesses,

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they suffer. They're less efficient, less innovative

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because they're not actually using the full range

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of skills and perspectives that people have,

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they're leaving talent on the table. And for

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individuals, it's just missed opportunities,

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opportunities to grow, to develop their unique

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strengths, to actually contribute in ways they're

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capable of. It can be really stifling. OK, so

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that paints a pretty clear picture of. The problem

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is the tyranny of the average stifles potential.

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So if that's the problem, what's the solution?

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What's the path forward? The book lands on this

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really powerful idea. Fit creates opportunity.

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What does that actually mean? For you listening,

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in your job or your life, how do we apply that

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beyond just adjusting a pilot seat? Right. It's

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about scaling that principle. It means that instead

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of forcing people to bend themselves to fit rigid

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systems, The systems themselves need to become

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flexible. They need to adjust to the unique individual.

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We're talking classrooms, work environments,

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team structures, even how learning materials

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or tools are designed. They need to account for

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that jaggedness we talked about. That's a total

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flip in perspective, isn't it? It really is,

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from one size fits all to tailoring the fit.

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And when a system does that, when an employer

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or a school or even just a process is designed

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with that flexibility, The message it sends is

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huge. It basically says, hey, you're unique.

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We see that. And it's actually our job, our responsibility

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to help you figure out that uniqueness and find

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ways for you to use it so we both benefit. Imagine

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hearing that. Exactly. That message, that whole

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approach is just fundamentally incompatible with

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holding up. sameness or the average as the ideal,

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as the goal. You simply can't get there if average

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is your guiding value, which raises a really

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important question for all of us, doesn't it?

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What actually happens? What possibilities open

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up when we stop trying to smooth out variation

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and instead actively embrace it when we value

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uniqueness? Wow. What a journey we've taken just

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unpacking that one core idea, moving beyond this

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idea of the average and really leaning into uniqueness.

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It feels like it's not just about being you know,

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fairer or nicer, it's actually about unlocking

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so much potential. Potential that's just sitting

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there, untapped, and individuals and teams and

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whole organizations. It absolutely is. So maybe

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the thought to leave you with is this. Take a

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moment and think, where in your own life or maybe

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in your workplace or your community, where might

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you be applying an average mindset without even

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realizing it? Judging things against a norm?

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Expecting people to fit a mold? And then ask

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yourself. What opportunities, what potential

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might you unlock if you challenge that assumption,

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if you started looking for and creating individual

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fit instead? Yeah, really think about that. Seeing

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people, seeing systems, not as these uniform

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averages, but as these vibrant, complex, jagged

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individuals, everyone with their own unique profile

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of strengths, needs, and ways of seeing the world,

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adopting that perspective feels like it could

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genuinely change how you approach almost everything.
