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like the your instructional videos or or your
message is very fantastic. It's It's one of the
things that draws me to you. It's like it's a
little non -traditional, you know versus the
status quo or The paradigm what the paradigm
says we should do for autism Yeah, I reckon,
right? So I'll tell you this, man, I got a personal,
I got a personal background in all of this. So,
you know, and I'm an ex college athlete. I got
thick skin. I know that everyone typically follows
the leader and people aren't getting answers
that they're looking for. So I'm here to disrupt
that. And I really, my goal is to target the
parents that are, I like the warrior mom. If
you give me a warrior mom, I basically am building
momentum in the community, right? And it's basically
I'm giving answers, solutions, and we're getting
kids better, and we're breaking the status quo,
what ASD really is. If you don't mind, just start
with telling us about your educational journey,
and just take us up until now with your... Absolutely.
Yeah, so my name is Dr. Kyle Daigle. I actually
and basically from as probably as earlier as
that, I can basically remember wanting to be
something I was going to be a doctor. And I actually
started out as a fascination in oncology. I wanted
to be a pediatric oncologist, went and played
college baseball, ended up, you know, getting
her decided that that was probably not the best
thing for me. And I took a crazy competitive
academic career. I can't stand to lose. I don't
like to be second. So I went really heavily into
a biological science degree, went to Louisiana
State University, also got involved in research.
I was very fortunate to work as a student research
assistant at Pennington Biomedical Research Center
in Baton Rouge, as well as LSU's vet school.
And I had a very cool, unique research project,
but I also got involved in sound waves and what
sound can do to cells, in particular to oncology.
And yeah, that led me into, I was studying physics
at the time. I found out that you really can't
treat patients with sound, which unfortunately,
at the time, that was the what I wanted to do
after what I had discovered. And yeah, sort of
studying the brain, found out that I could only
be a chiropractor based in my state, treating
patients with sound. And the brain's basically
a bunch of circuits and it uses brain waves,
which can also be altered by sound. And yeah,
so I had an incredible background initially as
an alternative field, not that I'm like, you
know, 100 % holistic or against medicine at all.
I'm actually integrated, but yeah, I've met a
really incredible guy. His name was Dr. Brandon
Brock. With the chiropractic school in Dallas,
Texas, and he was lecturing a lot and they're
talking about traumatic brain injuries pans pandas
neuroimmunology the vagus nerve and Yeah, I had
a very extensive I went to almost every I went
to seminars every weekend when I was in chiropractic
school For postgraduate education, so I was learning
very high level back in 2007 And yeah, graduate
Carp Art School 2011. Immediately after that,
I enlisted in this neurology program, started
studying functional neurology, enough to where
I was very fortunate to meet Dr. Robert Malilo
out of New York, who published a book called
Disconnected Kids, was heavily involved in primitive
reflexes. And yeah, I become a lecturer with
him. I taught for about five years in his method.
Went all over the world and I got a fellowship
in childhood development and now I'm I do keynote
speakers speech all over the entire globe on
ASD Neurological rehab and you name it anything
from A to Z what neuro based so that's kind of
about my academic career Yeah, I'm actually done.
Robert malello is fantastic. He was a previous
guest and he I thought you some of your work
kind of, um, was similar. So that was, that's
good news. Cause I think this is, um, offers
better solutions or at least maybe more complete.
It's not neglecting things that are, um, optimal.
So can you just, uh, let's just get in with cracking
the autism code. If you don't mind, um, just,
um, especially with these left and right brain
and the primitive reflexes if we want to start
there. Yeah, well, I think it's, you know, since
you had Malilo on the thing and then I definitely
can give kind of a deeper extension into that
work, right? So the human brain as a child, basically,
when it comes out, the brain itself, if you look
at a little child, everything matters, regardless
of what a pediatrician tells you, right? Babies
aren't lazy babies. Basically, colic is a problem,
a baby having a hard time latching on to a breast,
a bottle feed, a baby spitting up is basically
a sign that something's not right neurologically.
Right? And then also too, that I think a huge
issue in this world of the whole left to right
side, the brain and primitive reflexes is the
fact that pediatricians don't actually assess
primitive reflexes. So when a baby comes out,
um, every input from all of your senses, right?
Sight, smell, taste, tongue, inner ear, how you
hear, how much you move, how much you're rocked,
how much you're stimulated, all of those things
build the brain. And every sense strengthens
a wire. And a lot of times the way that a child's
brain develops is that the first two years of
a child's life, the right hemisphere predominantly
is your sensory seeking part of the brain. And
If children basically maybe have inner ear infections,
or maybe they've been on recurrent antibiotic
usage, or they had forceps supplied to their
head, or maybe they were breech babies, or they
came out of a C -section, all of those things
are abnormalities to basically a normal, healthy
vaginal delivery birth, right? And we don't take
any of that into consideration, right? It's now
kind of like a one size fit all, right? We have
emergency C -sections, elective C -sections.
And immediately after that, you know, parents
are, if a child's put in a NICU, they're given
a, you know, formula fed bottle, right? And a
plastic bottle, right? Back in the day we had
glass. Now we have something called BPA. So,
you know, it's interesting that from the day
a child's born in 2005, the World Health Organization
did a study of umbilical cord blood and they
found 287 toxins in umbilical cord blood. And
that study wasn't repeated. And the right side
of the brain, again, the first two years of life
is its job is also it deals with allergies, inflammation.
It also produces all of your immunoglobulins,
which are basically these little things that
basically also protect your immune system and
barriers and how the body naturally detoxifies.
And the blood brain barrier, which is a barrier
that protects anything from getting in typically
does not close till after the age of two. Right.
So anything in the first two years of a child's
life, the amount of input in through the senses,
the amount of movement that a child does, anything
that's put into the mouth, any of the child breeze,
all of that basically matters and inflammation
hits the weakest link in the brain. So the right
side of the brain's job is that it deals with
your sensory seeking. It deals with your gross
motor. It deals with how your body deals with
allergies and inflammation and how you detoxify.
And in the left hemisphere, what it does is it
basically is very routine, very linear numbers,
letters, fine motor, how your immune system is
activated. And it also deals with anger and agitation
and fixations, right? And so if we don't get
this proper input from the senses and we don't
get proper movement and we get inflammation or
we get infections or have adverse reactions to
whatever that may be. Um, that actually was a
problem. And I don't think that pediatricians
understand neurology and people think we only
know 10 % about the brain. So when you have a
child with a developmental delay, no one really
knows an answer. Right. I want to go back to
the umbilical cord blood first, but then I want
to expand on this from something I saw on your
Facebook, but the umbilical cord blood, that's
an interesting statistic. Um, I had a, a surgeon
on who's doing um, brain or stem cell stem cell
injections. And it's, uh, he claims that it helped
his son and he claims that it's helping office
autistics and it's not well known with autism,
but I think there's, yeah, there's a little bit
about that. I think. Yeah. Well, I mean, I can,
I can explain about this, right. I'm a heavily
in fan, you know, I'm very connected worldwide
to all these doctors. And unfortunately, United
States, we're a little bit behind when it comes
to regulations and approvals and all that stuff.
But, you know, I have families from 73 countries
from all over the world. And, uh, yeah, I mean,
I, I love stem cells. I love exosomes. I love
peptides. You know, there's basically now stem
cells that you can get derived from the placenta.
You can get them from the umbilical cord. And,
you know, different stem cells do different things.
I mean, I work with a company from Taipei, Taiwan.
I've worked with the Chinese companies. Yeah.
So, I mean, stem cells, in my opinion, I think
that they're going to be a huge hit in the ASD
world. My personal opinion is I think that exosomes,
which are a derivative of stem cells, are going
to be a little bit probably the best choice initially.
Because exosomes are smaller, there's no DNA
tissue in there, and they actually regulate inflammatory
markers. And I think that when you look at ASD
from what I look at it from like a holistic standpoint,
I run every lab on every child, that you actually
see that ASD is most of the time really not truly
ASD. It's oftentimes basically a neuroinflammatory
issue. Most of the time it's Pans Pandas. Basically,
it's an infection no one knows about or potentially
also some strep. or maybe it's basically some
heavy metals, some detoxification, some genetic
issues, some gut brain connections, some sinus
brain connection issues, right? And so when you
really start looking under the hood or in the
attic, you start seeing that there's a lot of
inflammation and we need to start looking at
ways to lower that inflammation and then also
how to regenerate those areas that these little
infections, I call them rats. basically are going
in there and they're actually eating up the outer
covering of the wires called tubulence. Right.
And when we're seeing a lot of stuff with these
little connections in the brain, uh, cause I
run labs for the brain, man. And I'll tell you
this, you know, in this, I got thick skin and
I'm very vocal and I don't really care. People
think about me, uh, cause I, at the end of the
day, it's a parent who has a child who wants
function and they want their kid to get better.
Right. And I'm the guy that's going to stand
up there against anyone else and basically tell
you that, look, there is something beyond ASD.
Right. It's, it's basically a label and maybe
your collection of symptoms, you know, what's
underneath it. Right. And my job here is to give
people answers. And I can tell you, uh, 73 countries
of kids with literally thousands of kids that,
um, there's, there's actually answers and there's
solutions. Right. But first of all, you got to
know exactly why. And most people don't know
why and what's going on. So something that I've
learned from your stuff is the ocher toxin A.
Can you talk about that? Yeah. So ocher toxin
A, it's actually a fungus. It's a white mold.
And that white mold is basically present in every
rice organic. non -organic, it's in rice, it's
in breads, it's in crackers, it's in pastas,
it's on potatoes, and it's actually an environmental
basically trigger or pollutant that actually
gets really absorbed in the food from the harvesting
process, right? So you take wheat, for example,
gluten is a huge thing in the ASD world, and
you take a wheat. Basically a grain right in
the field and then the farmer basically puts
it into a bin and inside that bin They're waiting
on market prices to fluctuate and then the 18
-wheeler comes by they take all the wheat out
of the bin or rice or corn or whatever It is
any grain gluten free non gluten free and they
throw it into basically an 18 -wheeler It goes
basically to a factory and they heat it up. They
clean it up. They pasteurize it and they produce
whatever it is Well, there's no one in there
basically sanitizing the bin or taking a UV light
one and wanting down the bin, right? So what
happens is these foods start collecting basically
fungus inside of because of the humidity right
and Mold likes or even fungus likes high humidity
So you take a loaf of bread you basically leave
it in the bag You put in your pantry two three
months later you open it up and you're like,
oh my gosh There's a bunch of mold in this thing,
right? How did it get in there? It's never been
open right because it's contaminated in the food
so what's happening with this thing is that this
ochratoxin a is also heavily even found in water
damaged homes it's found in h vac systems it's
found in carpet when you go to a hotel room or
rugs in a house it's found in the food source
so what's happening is you breathe it in through
your nose and you also ingest it when you're
eating all these excessive carbohydrate foods
Right? And what ochratoxin A does, which is an
aspergillus mold, it selectively finds three
areas in the brain that it likes to target. And
what happens with infections inside of the body
is they're very similar to like when a deer walks
through the woods, a deer basically runs the
same exact lane. We call it a track. Right? Unless
it's like spooked and then it'll kind of divert
around, but when it feels safe, it's going to
keep running the same lane. They hit three areas
one. It's an area. We call it the basal ganglia
It's the go in the stop button in the brain how
we fixate how we inhibit right stimming right
our deer in the headlights It's called a dopamine
one Initiate go dopamine to how you stop right
then there'd actually hit something called the
striatum, which is called the midbrain Which
is where your pupils are this is what makes your
eyes fixate focus How many ASD kids can't literally
actually really look you in the eyes? And they
got really big pupils. When they walk, they actually
don't symmetrically swing their arms. It's called
the rubros spinal track. It's a pathway that
comes down. And it also hits something called
the hippocampus, which is your cognition, your
memory. Some of these kids literally have some
of the most incredible memories. They can memorize
literally numbers and letters and literally recite
movies or speak 50 different languages. But they
can't comprehend certain things. Right? So comprehension,
when inflammation gets in, it can basically turn
the knob up, make it hyperactive, or it can turn
it down and it can basically weaken it. So it's
very interesting. Is this the core? Is this the
very upstream of the excitation inhibition imbalance
you think? Yeah. Yeah. So what happens with the
excitation, right? So excitation is basically
due to something called glutamate. Glutamate
is a neurotransmitter that excites the brain.
And when you look up the way the brain works,
there's this thing is called the basal ganglia,
right? It's the go to stop button and glutamate
from something called the thalamus, which is
the relay station kind of in the brain. any thought,
any movement, any agitation, even the immune
system, how it has to decipher this infection,
everything goes through this little thing called
the thalamus and then it fires glutamate and
it goes to the brain and the brain sends it basically
to this thing called the basal ganglia and the
brain has to say, you know, safe, not safe, go,
don't go, you know, for some of the people that
kind of like to chirp in a little bit. There's
also something called the limbic system, which
is the amygdala. I always have these people that
listen to these, they want to make comments.
So I'm just going to throw a little shout out
to them that I know my neurology. But anyways,
but what happens is the inflammation gets in
and it basically blocks these little receptors.
And yeah, that basically can make a kid literally
like get overwhelmed and start flapping his hands.
Or sometimes you have a parent who goes to the
doctor's office and the kids are like, like he's
like pride. He can't get out of the chair. He's
like, so like a, like a deer in the headlights.
And all that response is, is basically it's a
stress response. You know, we look at it as a
behavior response, but it's just basically how
the brains basically calibrate and go and don't
go. So the whole, a good way of looking at autism
is like this E I imbalance and, um, this, these
toxins and even, um, it seems like there's maybe
some toxicity from the maternal. or even beginning
at neurolation, is this all the time frame? It's
a region of interest. It's a combination of everything,
man. I mean, you can get it right. So what I
don't think, right, if I was basically in a perfect
world and I was able to control health care,
right, I would say that mom and dad, every, every
parent, basically, we're going to do a DNA swab.
Right. We're going to do a DNA swab to see if
mom and dad basically have methylation issues
MTHFR or something called COMT, which is how
your body breaks down cortisol genetically. Right.
And then if mom or dad has it, then if either
one of them have it or both of them have it,
then I'm going to be a little bit cautious and
right. Then if mom wants to take a prenatal vitamin,
I'm going to say, Hey, you know what? You can't
take a synthetic version of folate. Right. We're
going to put you on a methylated B vitamin because
that B vitamin is so crucial. That's the answer
to the whole leukovorin and cerebral folate deficiency
issues. Right. And so, yeah, I'm going to make
sure that mom's properly taking proper nutrients
when she's pregnant. And then if baby comes out,
I'm going to do a swab day one genetically to
see if the baby can detoxify. And then maybe
I might even put that baby on a delayed vaccine
schedule. Right. If that baby basically has like
methylation issues. And then also too is I'm
going to actually want to make sure that baby
can, you know, latch on. Anyways, there's a lot
of things, right? But, but yeah, I think what
ASD world people don't realize is why it's not
a one size fit all, right? Well, I mean, I see
kids from literally every corner of the globe.
I mean, even islands like the Maldives and Fiji
or Sri Lanka, right? I see them from all over.
And it's interesting that I've never seen, and
I've been in practice 14 and a half years, I've
never seen the same ASD kid. Never have. Never
have, right? And I think that's why they call
it a spectrum disorder, but really the interesting
thing is some kids can talk, some kids can't,
some kids stim, some kids don't, some are higher
functioning, some have learning disabilities,
some kids stim like crazy, some kids you can't
even tell they even have ASD, just have social
skills. That's a problem, right? Because then
is how do you treat AESD if you don't really
know exactly what it is? But then no one can
even explain what it is. It's moving target.
And look, man, this is why I've always always
enjoyed doing these podcasts, right? It's not
to impress people from my knowledge at all is
just to make people think, right? Because there's
a parent out there that I know that I'm going
to, you know, basically resonate with and, you
know, and I'm here to support you in any way
possible. But the goal here is that We got to
basically start making a change, man. If we don't,
then these kids basically might not never find
their voice. Right. And that's why I made that
book, cracking the code and finding their voice.
And really, it's just that I'm looking for those
parents to educate you. And I use my social media
to do that. Right. Because I'm going to tell
you that. You know, the brain is plastic. Dr.
Malilo is an incredible, smart guy, an amazing
guy. Spent years basically trying to promote
and prove what he found. And it's unfortunate
that a lot of people don't even know that his
work even exists. You know? And I worked alongside
with him for five years, man. This guy's a trooper.
I mean, even at his age, we were flying around
like crazy and like... not sleeping and working
like crazy. And at the end of the day, we weren't
doing this for us. We were doing this for parents,
right? But we also are parents. We have kids.
And we know what it's like. We know how much
we love our kids. And we would literally sell
our kidney for our kids. And we want to be able
to help that parent out there who's, you know,
I literally just, I just today had a family from
California. I said, I want a mom. And she's in
my office and she's crying because she spent
17 years trying to find someone like me. And
it's so unfortunate. And she just told me, you
know, her husband told me, he said, you know,
she actually found you at two o 'clock in the
morning and she literally found you on Instagram
and she wakes me up and she's like, this is a
doctor we have to go see. Right. We can go all
day long, brother. I want to go back to these
these toxins and ask is it is it the the modern
human in our environments we don't have the the
proper antioxidants things like melanin because
you mentioned the cortisol and things and we
were talking about the midbrain and and you mentioned
the dopamine you know melanin and dopamine are
like this is it a lack of antioxidants from our
modern environments and avoiding the sunlight
or is it just this influx of Like the Ochre toxin
a and all of this mode and crap. Okay, so let's
go this right Go back to this is for the people
that basically say that we got better diagnostic
skills, right? Okay, let's go. Let's talk to
that demographic, right? So back in the day,
I remember whenever I wanted to get online and
I had AO instant messenger, right? It took me
five minutes. I was actually growing up on a
cattle ranch, by the way. So I'm actually a cowboy.
And it took me five minutes to basically literally
dial up the internet. You know, I only knew at
that time only knew one kid with ASD. Okay. And
the interesting thing is that back in the day,
right, we actually had Uh, horrible TV, right?
We didn't have the high definition televisions,
nor did we have 5g internet. And also too is
that I remember that we used to go to the park
on the weekends. And I remember that we used
to play outside. And we didn't have cell phones,
right? My mom actually had the little box fan,
the little box, uh, phone literally in the car,
right? That was the mobile phone. Right. One
ASD kid that I could remember. And I traveled,
actually, as a child, I traveled all over the
United States because of my family's job. And
basically, I played baseball all over the cruncher,
basically. Anyways, but so there's a guy, right?
Albert Einstein came up with an equation E equals
MC squared. Energy equals mass times the speed
of light, right? But I don't think people really
understand what that really means. Energy equals
mass of every cell, every neuron, every atom,
every muscle, every organ times the diversity
of color of light, red, orange, yellow, blue,
indigo, green, violet squared. Okay. Back in
the day, we spent most of the time outside, right?
Even at school, we had playground time, right?
We were outside for like recess for like an hour.
Open windows. Open windows, man, and not freaking
crazy blue LED lights, right? So in today's society,
what happens is due to the best parenting device
or best babysitter, cheapest babysitter is a
cell phone or tablet, right? And the human brain,
by the way, the American Academy of Pediatrics,
actually, literally, if you Google about like
what they advise for screen time, they don't
actually advise screen time before the age of
two. And what comes off of that screen is basically
a blue wavelength. And what happens is, is that
the brain was not designed to basically get this
much sensory stimulation, right? We had moguls
for little kids back in the day and like, like,
like horrible kind of like little colors, right?
Or mostly like red, yellow, green, blue, right?
And we had these old things that spun around,
right? Well, today now we have all this high
tech Bluetooth, wifi, the 4K, 8K, you know, 5G
internet, all these things. And I think that
we have to look at ASD potentially now as maybe
a environmental problem, right? Because way back
in the day, you know, even to go back and look
up, you know, even the Egyptian times, you never
seen people walking around with their fingers
in their ears like this, right? So what was the
change, right? Yeah, and again, I I'm just here
to just bring light and help make people think
a little bit differently I might be wrong. I
doubt I am but I could be But I think that when
you start to stress the brain out the brain is
not gonna function as well Right. And so when
you're stressed out, right your brain stressed
out people get constipated When they're stressed,
right? What does that mean your harbor and your
toxins like stole is the way you detoxify? Right.
So if I can excrete all these toxins, I breathe
stuff in, I basically eat toxic food. I mean,
all you gotta do is just look at the back of
the ingredients on the food or even what these
kids eat and you can't even pronounce half the
words. And then you Google it and you're like,
that's a carcinogen, which means that causes
cancer or it causes hyperactivity. But then I'm
going to feed it to my little child who brain
has never been properly developed and they can't
even detoxify. So what do you think it does?
It recirculates. Anything in the gut goes straight
to the brain, right? You get a headache, you
take a pill, goes from the gut straight to the
brain. You smell something, right? It goes straight
to the brain, right? What if those barriers get
breached? Now, literally, the brain's literally
like fighting Mike Tyson with literally no arms.
It kind of follows the, uh, the beginnings since
Cantor and Asperger's to like. the amount of
modern environmental harms. Yeah, man. Look,
good. Good. No, I mean, I'm a child, man. I'm
one of these kids that basically got diagnosed
with ADHD and got put on methamphetamines prescribed
for 18 years, man. Look, you see all my books.
I memorized every one of these things. You grab
every one of my books, by the way. I mean, I
can show up. I goes all the way up even higher.
Right. And I even got so many books that they're
in the shelves. Right. I loved it. I'm so fixated
on reading that I have an addiction. That's like
crazy. My wife drives, I ride in the passenger
seat and I read books, research papers, nonstop.
I can't stop. Right. Eighteen years of being
pumped. Go, go, go, go, go, go and no inhibition.
And you know, no one ran any freaking labs on
me. Just take a drug and just hope for the best
and then 18 years later Guess what? I am still
one of the most hyperactive people on the planet,
but I figured I had a channel it and it was basically
It was neurology, right? It's very linear and
it's got all these spokes so You know, at least
I can give them credit for basically make you
hyper intelligent. But but still, you know self
-regulation was something very, very hard for
me. And thankfully, Dr. Robert Malilo changed
my life because he literally tested me one time
as a student and was like, Oh my gosh, dude,
you're, you're a mess. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
yeah. 18 years old methamphetamines, man. I'm
like pit sweating, sweating like crazy. My hands
are wet. I literally can't sleep at night. I
had to take medications to go to sleep. And he
told me, he said, Hey, look, you have no right
frontal lobe. I'm like, I know I, but I mean,
I clearly know that I can't, I can't self -regulate
myself. And so he literally had me do all the
primitive reflexes and the right brain stimulation.
Guess what happened? I started sleeping through
the night, which was wild. Yeah. That's underrated.
Yeah. Every, everybody with autism has a circadian
rhythm or I shouldn't say circadian rhythm. Well,
I should, but they have sleep wake dysfunction.
But I think people, my interpretation of circadian
rhythm is not sleep wake cycles. It's your body's
24 hour physiology and metabolic rhythms. It's
not sleep wake. Yeah. Yeah. But it goes back
to this what programs it is basically we were
naturally designed to wake up at sunrise and
after sundown, the only light you should have
seen primitively evolutionary was only from a
fire or candle. Very low lux and all red light.
Yeah, anything above 150 lux creates basically
stress, right? So you literally start watching
your look at your cell phone or you look at a
TV or turn on the light Right after the Sun goes
down. You're already stressing the brain. I look
at me when even saw how many people have insomnia,
man It's it's it's it's insane. It's unheard
of right? I'll tell you something very interesting.
Just Google the circadian rhythm bio lab Right.
It's out of Harvard and see what they do with
the insects. Insects that basically live outdoors,
live 120 days, natural life expectancy. Ones
that live indoors basically die at 90 days and
have neurodegeneration. That's wild, man. Neurodegeneration
is definitely involved in this indoor environment
and these isolated, shorter wavelengths of light.
Yeah, yeah. Look, it's... Look, hey, look, it's
physics, right? From the science perspective,
it's physics, right? But and it's also it's neurology.
And the thing is, is that kind of like the elephant
in the room, right? The science is actually there.
It's just that most people haven't put all these
things together. And at the end of the day, even
though it's all this fancy science stuff, it's
life's really made to be simple, right? Look
at a kid. How much sunlight does that kid get?
Very little, right? Because the kid basically
has to wake up. He looks at a tablet. Mom turns
on the light. He eats inside. He gets put into
the car. He's given a tablet. He goes to school.
He's on a tablet. He gets out of school. He gets
back in the car. He's given a tablet. He goes
to PT. He goes to OT. He goes to ABA therapy,
maybe goes to see a psychologist, maybe a chiropractor
if they do something like that, maybe a functional
medicine doctor. And then he goes home and has
that five days a week. And in the weekend, the
kid basically literally stays inside and watches
TV and YouTube and playing on his cell phone.
And he does that Saturday, Sunday, and then on
Monday repeats it all over again. And then you
run a blood panel and the kid's got low vitamin
D, right? He's got inflammation issues. He's
got detoxification issues. He's got hyperactivity,
right? And it's like, okay, let's stop, think
about what we need to do to change our daily
routine. Right to start rebuilding the brain,
right? Rome wasn't built in a day. It was built
one stone at a time So we're just gonna start
making small incremental changes and guess what
happens you start seeing behavior change, too
Yeah, so I want to go with with how to rescue
that basal ganglia and the midbrain What are
some treatments for that? And then I also want
to talk about photobiomodulation, okay All right,
so basal ganglia. So what we normally do is there's
kind of two things, right? You can run labs as
a parent. You can run, there's something called
a Cunningham panel, and that might tell you that
your kid has pandas or pans, right? It's just
basically a label, but at least you have another
answer. And then what happens is that you have
to look at these kids' pupils. Right. So the
bigger the pupil, the weaker the connection to
the brain. So most kids with ASD typically predominantly
have a very large right pupil. Okay. And what
happens with the pupil is the bigger, the purpose
of the pupil is that when the brain's under stress,
it's going to dilate the pupil so it can see
a threat in the environment. Right. And what's
interesting about the right pupil is that the
right pupil has literally a wire. that basically
it shoots down and it goes to your proximal flexors,
like your left shoulder and your left hip. And
it's designed that way as a defense mechanism.
So I'm walking into the woods, someone tries
to come to the right side, my brain, if I push
them a right hand or kick them a right leg, I'm
not going to be able to defend myself as good
because they're not going to go very far, right?
So this little wire goes to my left shoulder,
my left hip. So if I turn across the body, I
can only make them fly, right? So when you watch
these kids with ASD walk, watch what happens
is they don't swing their left arm. Okay, they
typically swing their right arm, right? So if
this right eye rate because these kids stem or
they have Impulsivity or behavior issues or they
can't self -regulate right this right pupil What
it does is it shoots directly up into the right
frontal lobe and it's supposed to basically push
a brake pedal Right, but this pupil is really
large. It means it's weak too. So it's not going
to work So we can go in and start doing sensory
stimulation to the left shoulder or to the left
hip To basically activate this area. It's called
the midbrain and it fires straight to the brain
Kind of give it a little nudge Right or we can
turn around and we can do pupillary constriction
Where if I want to make the right pupil fire
to the brain I can shine a light really weird
in the corner of the left eye And when you do
that, there are these little wires that actually
go from outside the left eye and actually inside
the right eye They go straight to this little
part right here. It's called the midbrain. It
fires right up to the brake pedal. Or I can use
sound like a metronome in the left ear, like
a rhythmic movement, something slow, rhythmic.
And I can use sound to fire from the ear, go
straight to the midbrain component. And those
who want to get fancy, the vestibular system
too. And then fire up to the brake pedal and
push a brake. Right, so I can basically literally
go in and I can activate Basically this little
d2 receptor in the brain to push the brake pedal
and the basal ganglia by hitting wires underneath
That's the beauty of functional neurology right
is understanding neurological pathways the wires
that go to certain areas So that's that thing
then you can go into the regenerative medicine
world where people are putting nasal sprays and
peptides and exosomes and stem cells in the right
nostril to go into this side of the brain. And
then there's also something that you can do is
called cerebellar exercises like coordinated
movements. So the cerebellum is this little bitty
thing that basically it releases this chemical
called GABA, which is this neurotransmitter brain
chemical that calms things down. It chills it
out. It's actually used in the basal ganglia
to basically inhibit things. And you can do like
figure eights with the left arm or the left leg
and then boom. So those are some really cool
little mechanisms that I gave you as little wires
that you as a parent can push the buttons to
try to hit the self -regulation to reduce stimming
in the brain. But underneath, by the way, there's
an infection that is basically called an inflammation.
And typically those infections are ochratoxin
A, aspergillus mold, clostridium, and even strep
A. A lot of connections to the gut, like gut
dysbiosis. Yep. Yep. And also nose, right? Nasal
dysbiosis, nose brain, nose gut brain. That's
a missing link in all these families that spend
so much money and stool samples. And they do
the diet modifications that take glutamine and
slippery elm and fish oil and do a post stool
sample four, six months later, and it's still
inflamed. Kind of like if I lacerate my hand
or my arm, right? I take a, I keep rubbing it,
right? It'll never heal. Even though I can put
ointment on it because if I get stuff from the
sinuses that keeps repopulating into the gut
Gut will never heal Breathing is breathing is
connected to the the nervous system. Yeah, and
it's um, yeah You need symmetrical facial tone
to breathe through your nose You know how many
of these kids have asymmetrical facial all you
got to do is look at a kid on the spectrum And
you can tell that they're basically not typical
child You're gonna look at the face, right? Facial
tone is the direction of the brain. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. But the thing is, is that you need your
face to be symmetrical to sniff, right? Your
facial tone is what's gonna allow you to sniff,
right? And then your face also innervates, very
interesting, the trigeminal nerve innervates
the front two thirds of your tongue for taste,
right? How many of these kids are picky eaters?
Aphrodite. You don't hear about this stuff. Dude,
I'm giving you some ammo here. Yeah, well, not
me. Hopefully some some warrior moms. Yeah, they're
gonna they're gonna find it, right? They're praying,
asking for answers and solutions, and they're
about to hear it. Yeah, yeah. So how about the
photobiomodulation? And I want to I want to really
start this by saying that it's a bit of a misnomer
that we call this red light therapy. It's not
therapy. Red light is not therapy. It's something
that we evolved under. Now humans take it away,
and then we're going to bring it back as therapy.
It's not therapy. I call it synth. I joke around
my staff. I have a really good friend of mine,
by the way. I'm going to give her a shout out
for this. Her name is Sitara. She's out of Nevada.
And she told me, she said, Kyle, you know what
you really do? She works with ASD kids too, by
the way. She's amazing. And she goes, you do
synthetic nature. And I was like, That is by
far the best, the best word for what I do is
really a synthetic nature, right? And you're
going to like that, right? Synthetic nature.
And okay, so let's go about photobiomodulation
runs, break it down. So the big fancy word basically
means photo means light, bio means life, modulation
means change. Light changes life, right? What
does the sun do? It makes, you know, take this
right. An animal never needs a veterinarian until
he becomes domesticated. Okay. So, uh, you take
a plant, lives outside, put it inside, don't
put any light on it. What does a plant do? It
dies. It dies. Right. Light gives life. Specific
light, right? Full spectrum light. Okay. So photobiomodulation,
um, different color variances, red. Basically,
just think about like waking up watching the
sunrise too, right? It's beautiful to watch the
sunrise and sunset. It's that kind of like reddish,
kind of oranges glow, but red really activates,
really can enhance energy production. You also,
on your arteries, your veins, your skin, your
scalp, you have something called a chromophore,
a light receptor, right? This is how vitamin
D is produced right from the sun basically hits
the skin, goes to the liver, produce vitamin
D. It's a neuro hormone, helps the immune system,
metabolism and all that. But anyways, so what
happens with light is that specifically red is
that it really just enhances blood flow and it
also acts as an anti -inflammatory, right? Think
about when you're outside in the sun and if it's
really a hot day, right? You also start sweating.
And sweating is a form of detoxification. So
you have infrared. Infrared is a deeper penetrating
wavelength. There's infrared saunas. Infrared
saunas are going to sweat quite a bit. Infrared
can basically penetrate pretty deep. So there's
some skeptical -ism inside of the whole photobiomodulation
world. You have the anti -people that think that
all this stuff is wild, although they just don't
know physics. But what happens is that light,
especially infrared, they supposedly say that
it can penetrate to the bone. Right and or even
maybe even through the bone and I'm not gonna
argue with any of those people but basically
what happens is is that if you want to penetrate
deep down into like an organ or muscle or nerve
or maybe even the brain Infrared works a little
better. I lecture all the time in front of doctors
So I love I love the the arrogance and the I
love to ask rhetorical questions because they
really don't know when you really question in
front of people like to make it sit down a little
bit and never ask a question like that again.
But what happens is, is that the carotid arteries
right here, these supply blood flow to the front
two thirds of the brain. That's where most of
all your executive function, everything is right.
And then we have this whole thing called the
vertebral artery in the back of the neck that
supplies the brain stem, which is where all of
our senses are excluding smell. And basically
where all of our primitive reflexes are, as Dr.
Melillo talked to you guys about, and it supplies
to the back one third of the brain, right? It's
basically the neck. This is a crucial area to
do photobiomodulation or even having sunlight
to because this is going to give blood flow to
the brain. Right. Better blood flow, better function.
So if you can get better blood flow, better function,
then also an anti -inflammatory process, which
is things actually do. You start dampening inflammation
in the brain. That's really, truly all ASD really
is in the first place is basically it's an inflamed
brain when abnormal circuits, abnormal brainwave
activity, and then nutrient deficiencies and
detoxification issues, right? So yeah, so there's
different colors. So red, infrared, there's also
ultraviolet light. Ultraviolet light, think of
these things as when you go outside, what happens
when you get a sunburn, right? People think you're
gonna put all this sunscreen on you that causes
skin cancer. But what happens is ultraviolet
light, what it does is it actually kills infections.
So for the people out there wondering, right,
when we're in microbiology class and undergrad
and you're learning about viruses and all these
other infections, after we work with these pathogens,
we actually use a UV light to sanitize our desk
so we don't contaminate it, right? So ultraviolet
light, imagine if you get to the sinuses. to
the throat and to the stomach or to any area
that has an infection it's natural thing according
to physics is that it reduces infections right
or you just go sit outside in the sun you know
i joke around to people like you know you came
out butt naked right you didn't have any chanel
clothes or any hanes or any of those type of
things you come out butt naked right so The Sun
basically literally produces life right back
in the day way back biblical time people want
to get that speaking, right? You know people
use literally like a leaf to cover up Right,
you know green leaves basically absorb light
and they produce, you know chlorophyll and they
could penetrate below it and give you some pretty
good nutrients and then there's green light and
green light Is very parasympathetic driven, which
is the resting relaxation part of your nervous
system And it's a really cool studies. And basically
now have have a theory, but found that the gastrointestinal,
even the microbes in the gut also function off
of light. And you got to think about this too,
for people that are wondering, right? When you
get sick, do you have a lot of energy? No. Right.
Well, I mean, you're losing basically light,
right? Go outside in the sun, get light. E equals
MC squared. Sunlight body produces energy. Yeah.
I think people don't understand how we have certain
parts of our biology that absorb certain wavelengths
of light. And now it's just all isolated. UV
light is very important for things like hormones
and protein synthesis, especially the aromatic
ones. Absolutely, man. Look, I just think it's
this right here. It's just that we've been distracted,
right? Yeah. Don't look here. Look here. These
are your treatments. If you have a kid with autism,
here's what you can have. These are your treatment
options. And it's like, it's not working. It's
not working. How often, take me through a little
intervention with the photobiomodulation. Like
how fast do you typically see improvement and
how often would somebody do that? Okay, so I
like to at least do about three to five minutes
of photobiomodulation over the main arterial
supply to the brain. I'm very big in doing photobiomodulation
to the whole entire stomach, to the digestive
system, to the liver, even in the backside to
the kidneys, and also even a little bit to the
face. Right. What happens is, is all photobiomodulation
is doing is it's basically improving blood flow
and it's dampening inflammation. I think that
it's kind of still hard for some of those people
that may be skeptical inside of this thing, because
people expect instantaneously results, right?
If it didn't work, then I don't see a change.
I'm not going to use it, right? They don't realize
how much inflammation is underneath. Um, so if
I was just doing photobiomodulation itself, I
would say that, you know, giving it maybe a max,
like a week. or even two weeks of doing this
thing either on a daily basis or a couple of
times a week to actually start to see benefits.
However, in our line of work, if you basically
wire and fire networks and you work on things
like the primitive reflexes and the senses simultaneously
while using photobiomodulation, then you can
actually see a lot faster results. So I'll give
you an example. I do something called intensive
rehab, which is where I do 16 to 20 hours basically
of rehab on a child on a weekly basis. Two hours
in the morning, break for an hour to two hours
in the evening, back to back. And we had a kid
this week that was, he was five and he was nonverbal.
And Wednesday, he said, mom, for the first time.
So, you know, I mean, that's pretty good. I had
a 17 year old kid that was nonverbal that we
also got this little kid by Thursday. So it took
us four days and he was actually able to actually
say one of my assistant's name, Seth. So I mean,
you know, we can get really cool results, right?
But, and I mentioned this, someone say, well,
you're just putting lasers and stimulating is
like, no, no, no, no. Like we ran labs before
they came in. We put them on a diet. We put them
on detoxification. We started getting rid of
the mold. We had nutrient support. We did all
that to front load them to lower their inflammation.
So when they show up to come see me, it's basically
time to party, right? We're wired and rebuilding
basically a house. That's a good analogy. Yeah.
I'll give you one here, right? So I'll give you
an analogy. My staff loves this. I call it the
rat in the attic. Right? Rat in the attic is
basically most homes in America, right? We have
all of our wiring in the attic. Right? And you
walk up in the attic because the lights flickering.
So you go up there and you see that the wires
are messed up. So you call the electrician and
the electrician basically cleans up the wire,
repairs it up. and then literally about six weeks
later the light starts flickering again right
so you go up in the attic and you're like what
in the world why is the wires getting eaten up
right and then you see some little rat kind of
peblets on the ground you're like that's weird
i got a rat in my attic right you don't see it
you don't hear it but all it's doing is eating
up the wires but then all you see is the light
flickering right And those little rats are basically
infections or there's inflammations, they're
environmental pollutants and they can travel
in entry through the sinuses, which is basically
an air filter. They can get in the mouth and
they can go through cavities in these little
kids and go to the brain stem, to the brain or
to the gut, right? Or these little rats can get
in the gut and basically travel up the vagus
nerve and then make its way into the brain, right?
You see the behavior, the lights flicker. Right.
But you don't know why. And you try to go and
do the ABA therapy and the PT and the OT and
the breathing exercises and whatever else, maybe
the essential oil from whatever company that's
the MLM company. And then all of a sudden, what
happens is, is that you get a little improvement,
you get really excited, but then it wears off
because you never got rid of the rat, right?
Because the rat's going to go in there and it's
going to eat up the wires. Yeah, that's good
stuff. Before we wrap up, is there anything else
that you want to have a message about or talk
about? You know, I'd say this, that in this world,
this is for the parents, right? Is that before
you select any therapy, before you go and spend
crazy amounts of money on anything, like you
need to sit down with the doctor, the therapist,
And you literally just need to literally just
take a notebook and literally just ask as many
questions as to why, right? Why is this going
on? Why is this happening? What's underneath?
You know, what are you doing to monitor my child
if I seek your care? Is there any diagnostics
that you do to mark progress? What does the expectation
look like? What about the labs, right? And when
you get to the point when the doctor can't give
you any answers and it's basically, that's just
how it is. Uh, or I don't know, or, um, you realize
they can't give you, look, you look you dead
in the eye, right? Make a direct eye contact
with you. And they can't basically look you dead
in the eye. That person probably is going to
make you get you to a point where you're going
to plateau. Right. And You know, I've been doing
this 14 and a half years. You know, I joke around
and tell people I don't have hair because of
my job is very intense because, you know, I have
the dad that's wanting to stab me or choke me
initially. And then I have the mom just like
just persevering because she can't sleep and
she just wants her kid to speak. Right. And there's
a huge family dynamic. I've seen divorces and
all kinds of stuff happen in my career. And,
you know, my goal for you as a parent is just
You know what's best. You know that there's something
going on and 100 % trust your intuition. And
if you go to a doctor and they tell you that
there's nothing that there can be done, right?
Just know that you can always change the story,
right? Other doctors, other therapists have different
books. They have bigger books. They have more
chapters. They have more experience and they
might give you a different story. right and at
the end of the day you were your child's best
advocate and just be a Savage a warrior and never
ever ever ever accept. No That's my mom my mom.
My brother was actually immunized and Unfortunately,
he ended up getting basically bacterial meningitis
and spent six weeks in an ice bath His head swole
up. I watched my parents basically, the doctors
telling me he's probably going to be a little
vegetable even if he makes it. And then I watched
after that, I watched my mom take my brother
all over to get him better. I watched my mom
crying. I watched my mom asking doctors to help
to look deeper, trying to kick her out of an
office. And you know what? That right there is
why I'm like I am today. And that right there
is my demographic of parents, right? You want
answers, you want solutions. I've already been
there from a personal experience and you know
what's amazing is my brother is my nurse practitioner
and he is an animal and he's on fire, but he
knows what it's like on the other side because
he went the other way and I went the alternative
way. And guess what happened? We met in the middle
because there was a time and a place for us all,
right? I say all that, you know, and again, I
there's nothing scripted about this is just us
rolling, right? But just to the parent out there,
just never give up. Yeah, okay. That's a great
way to end, I think I had one other question,
but I think I will just pass. Can you tell us
how to find you, especially like the social media
information, because there's a lot of good teachings
there. And if if people can see you remotely
or in person? Yeah, so I have quite a few ways
to basically get to me. So I physically practice
in Lake Charles, Louisiana. So people get to
me through either Houston or New Orleans or Baton
Rouge or Lafayette or even flying into Lake Charles.
I also practice in Dubai. I do split my time
basically back and forth between the UAE and
Lake Charles, Louisiana. I have another location
in Atlanta, Georgia with Dr. Ryan Cedermark.
So my organization is called Neurosolution. So
my private practice, if you go to www .neurosolutionlc
.com, that's me and my private practice in Lake
Charles. Uh, in the middle East, for those international,
I also have neurosolution .ae. Uh, my clinic
in Atlanta, Georgia is neurosolutionatl .com.
Um, I also have an AI software program that I
partnered up with basically a former college.
And I built out the whole A to Z for practitioners,
caregivers, K through 12 and, um, doctors. Um,
that thing is called neurosagehub .com. I also
make video games for kids with ASD that basically
are very unique to try to enhance the brain and
we build the whole educational model with diet
modifications and therapy and red light therapy
and products and all those things. And again,
I have a book, I have two books, Finding Their
Voice and Cracking the Code of Autism. They give
you found on Amazon. I have a YouTube channel
just dr. Kyle Daigle Instagram at dr. Kyle Daigle
a Facebook page dr. Kyle Daigle and Yeah, if
you want to get to me personally calling out
my clinic plus one three three seven four nine
nine three one six two And yeah, you know, it's
very interesting. Even people that actually reach
out to me on on social media, people can actually
direct message me on Instagram. I personally
still manage this. I still do it all. I don't
have a marketing team. Yeah, it's me. And I'm
a real person. And yeah, I had a child with I
had a child with seizures. So I know what it's
like. um to be a parent and uh my job is to basically
serve you and serve these kids and hopefully
one day get these kids to find their voice yeah
i love that dr kyle bagel thank you for joining
absolutely appreciate your man all right god
bless you man yes you as well I have a lot of
energy. And again, I respect you for what you're
doing. I respect you for reaching out to me.
I appreciate the opportunity. And I just hope
that what you're doing, again, thank you and
God bless you for what you're doing. Because
this calling is bigger than us. It's about them.
It's about serving people. And you never know.
You just change one life. That's one life that
basically literally is going to flourish.