So I was hoping that you could just start with
taking this through your journey into medicine
and your practice today. Okay. Yeah, I'd love
to. And, and first, first of all, Ryan, grateful
for the opportunity to be here with you. Um,
I admire the work you're doing. And so this is,
this is exciting, but just a little bit about
me. So I've been, uh, I'm a doctor of chiropractic.
Um, I've been practicing since 2012. And I'm
actually out of Utah, but I work with clients
all over the country. And as far as the journey,
originally, I was planning on going to medical
school. In fact, in undergraduate school, I volunteered
in the ER for several months. And then I shadowed
a lot of different medical doctors. And I thought
for sure that was the path I was going to take.
But as I stepped into that space a little bit
more, I realized that it just didn't feel like
it was the right fit for me. And it's nothing
against the profession, because I have family
and close friends that are involved there. But
I felt like I needed something different. And
so fast forward, I was actually trying to determine
what path I was going to take. And that's where
I basically stumbled across chiropractic. And
as I learned more about it, I was like, wow,
OK, where's this been my whole life? Because
I never went to one growing up. But then as I
learned about it, I was like, man, this just
makes sense. With the whole philosophy of chiropractic
really is understanding how we can help support
the body to heal itself. And, you know, the phrase
that chiropractors use a lot is the innate intelligence
that's within each of us. And that really resonated
with me recognizing the power of our body and
how it's capable of doing incredible things.
I mean, we witness it. with anyone that's had
a child, right? You consider a sperm and an egg
that come together, give it nine months and you
have this beautiful baby that's came from a cellular
kind of beginning and how it all comes together
to work out the way it does. It's just like fascinating
to see how the body just knows what to do. And
so one of the things I like to say is that I'm
You know, in a sense, working with a body, it's
like working with a cheat code because, you know,
our bodies are designed to do amazing things.
And so the way that it's created to be able to
just operate, um, effortlessly for, for the most
part, of course we see a lot of illness and disease
and dysfunction and, and other things that are
problematic, but When things are aligned properly
and things are working the way they're meant
to, it's like the body can do really cool things.
So it's one of the things that I've loved the
most about this profession is knowing that with
some of the ways we can influence the body, it's
going to heal itself or at least take those steps
closer to healing. You know, it's kind of like
I'll jokingly say like, you know, how do we know?
What the the body needs at certain times and
it's like I don't know so like you and I we might
eat a meal and To consider the fact that the
body's like, okay today, you know the spleen
needs a little bit more of these nutrients or
tomorrow It's like, okay the liver is filling
a little left out and and I don't know how it
works obviously But it's just fascinating when
you think of I just chew and swallow and the
body's like hey, I got you I'm gonna take care
of this. I'm gonna deliver what needs to be delivered
to where it needs to go And it's just this constant
balance that's happening. And anyways, that's
one of the fascinating things that I love is
because I can give the body specific things,
whether it's using tools like nutrition or supplements
or even just hands -on treatments, different
things that can influence the brain or the nervous
system. And then I can just step back and watch
things unfold. It's pretty fascinating stuff.
So I've been practicing in Utah for years. And
over the course of my career, I've always had
an interest in serving children on the autism
spectrum. And for a long, long time, honestly,
I just focused mostly on musculoskeletal things.
and helping people with like back pain and sports
injuries and headaches and car accident types
cases. But as I went through this journey and
I felt this tug to help families with kids on
the spectrum, I started opening my mind more
to other things that were out there as far as
other services and other ways to to help help
these individuals, which, of course, in fact,
has helped me serve a lot of other families and
individuals to that aren't on the spectrum. And,
and so the world I've dove into, um, a lot of
different techniques that I use that are focused
on neurological balancing, um, I've used, uh,
I've learned techniques that are focused more
on, you know, gut health, um, detoxification
of heavy metals, toxins, you know, environmental
toxins and infections that are hidden parasites,
things of that nature. And it's fascinating to
see when you remove things that don't belong,
how the body, it's like as if it's taking this
big sigh of relief and saying, wow, thank you.
I've been trying to operate as close to normal
as I can. I'm doing the best I can. I promise
I'm doing the best I can. But with that burden
on me, it's really hard sometimes. And so taking
a step into removing things can sometimes be
More important than just like making sure we're
getting enough good stuff in the body because
sometimes we focus there Where it's like, okay,
I need my vitamins. I need my minerals. I need
my nutrients I need to make sure I'm feeding
myself with all these good things and getting
good water and that is absolutely critical But
it's amazingly like when you start to pull things
out that don't belong It's like then the body's
like whoa, I can utilize all this other stuff
way more efficiently and it's like you know,
at a fraction of the energy, you know, so, um,
so it's, it's pretty, pretty cool when it, when
you see that. But, uh, I have two, uh, two stepsisters
that have sons that are on the autism spectrum.
And I've witnessed their, um, just the journey
they've been on and how, um, how, how different
it is for each of them. Cause their boys are
on different levels of the spectrum. And where
one of them is, you know, very, I would say lacks
independence quite a bit. He is nonverbal, definitely
struggles with regulating emotions and all sorts
of things. The other one, he is able to work.
He's able to communicate, but definitely struggles
socially with a lot of things. So witnessing
that and then all the other families that I've
interacted with, it's just really inspired me
to want to do more for these families. And so
that's kind of where I am today, where my big
journey that I'm on is how can I empower parents
on the autism journey? How can I help them find
confidence, peace of mind, and of course, freedom
and hope? Because I know when we serve a child
that's on the spectrum, we're serving the whole
family, right? So, you know, if I'm doing something
that's benefiting that child, then it can. take
a burden off of mom and dad and the siblings
and whoever else is interacting. Because as you
and I know, it's not an easy path for a lot of
these families. So it's been a real fun, interesting,
motivating journey, and I'm excited to share.
So yeah, that gives you a little background about
me. And I guess if you want to know, I went to
school in Portland, Oregon. and spent my years
there. It's a university called the University
of Western States. That's where I did my chiropractic
education. And then since then just have added
so many other additional trainings and trying
to understand more of how I can create more value
for families. So. OK, excellent path. And thank
you for sharing so much. I like that you mentioned
like because a lot of people, including myself,
up until a few years ago, was thinking of that
chiropractic is more for like the back pain,
like you're going to go in there and get your
spine cracked or like, and maybe that's because
like, those body pains will modulate our attention,
hijack our attention faster than anything. So
maybe people can see that quick relief there.
But chiropractic I've learned is so much more
than that. Can you Can you think or can you and
I'll even admit like whenever I think about I
like neural relation and Then we have those neuro
epithelial cells and like once I get to the spine
part like I'm done. I don't Navigate that the
spine seems to be like this huge Connector or
knee connector of brain and body. Can you can
you just clear the air and help other people
understand like oh chiropractic is a good thing
for autism like there's some something there
yeah definitely i'd love to i appreciate that
question too and and i think one thing that's
fascinating to think about is the way that our
body was created and the innate wisdom that the
body has as far as like how it's protecting itself
if you think about probably in my opinion You
know, the most vital organ in the body is the
brain and the nervous system. Um, and those are
the two organs that I'll say that the, they're
basically one, but the brain and the spinal cord
that are fully encased in bone, every other organ
and gland, you know, you have some holes in your
hearts or in your ribs, you know, there's muscle
there, of course, but Of course, the heart's
critical, the colon's critical, the liver's critical,
all of it's critical, but it is fascinating to
think of that. But if you think about the brain
and the spine and how the way it works is, so
that spinal cord, you have these finger -like
nerves that come out of each level of your spine.
And those nerves will go and communicate and
send strength and energy to your muscles. to
your organs and glands and to every cell in the
body. Now there is a feedback loop that does
go back up to the brain. So it's like this constant,
I guess you could say circle of information.
So brain to body, body to brain. And when there's
different things like, for example, using chiropractic
with the spine, if you have some of those vertebrae
that are out of alignment, that can cause an
additional stress or strain on those nerves exiting
the spinal cord. And that means wherever that
nerve is going to, it could potentially be that
that signal could be dampened or diminished a
little bit to where it's not as strong or as
powerful as you would hope it to be. And so one
of the fascinating things that I've witnessed
in this world is there's some really cool ways
you can measure um, function, for example, um,
with using spinal adjustments, as well as what
I call palpation, which just is a fancy word
for contacting points on the body to fill for
muscle tension. And I can witness within like
a period of time, uh, an actual change depending
on where that nerve is coming out of the spine
and what it's communicating with. And so if I
create an adjustment, Well, let's just say this,
let's use, for example, the stomach. Okay. So
there's a spot right under your sternum, um,
right there that can get really tense and tight
if your stomach is unhappy. And, and so, um,
that can be connected to acid reflux. It could
be connected to some hidden infections. It could
be connected to. Um, you know, toxins, or it
could be connected to bad food. Maybe, you know,
you ate something that was a little sour or whatever.
And if you touch right under your sternum and
if it's sensitive there, and if the muscle's
really tight, that could indicate that the stomach's
unhappy. Now, if you go to the spine and you
look at vertebrates numbers about T, um, T four
to T six or T three to T six, T seven area. If
you provide an adjustment there and well first
of all if you feel there's some tension there
and there's the vertebrae aren't moving as well
as it should Then you can provide an adjustment
that then can release some tension there and
that allows Not just the muscles to relax and
the back to feel better But it can also allow
that nerve communication to flow more freely
And then if I go back to that stomach point after
that adjustment and I feel that the muscle has
relaxed there, too then what's neat is we can
see that there was a connection between the spine
and the stomach being unhappy rather than maybe
there was no issue with the food or a toxin.
So it's like, it's a feedback that I can observe
and look at to where I can check those things
and then go and recheck this thing underneath
the sternum. And it's pretty fascinating. Now,
if I go back to that sternum after I adjust the
spine, and I feel it's still tense and it's still
uncomfortable for that patient, then that tells
me the spine didn't have involvement in this
case, but that it is probably something else.
So it's a unique way where I can have an opportunity
to really kind of evaluate what's maybe the underlying
issue here and where I can go. I'll give you
another example. I had a patient who would share
that she would Sometimes come in with this really
sore back. And it usually was connected with
after she ate a meal that just didn't sit well.
And then sure enough, it would create a, what
we call a visceral somatic reflex. So a visceral
meaning organ or gland and somatic meaning muscle
tissue bone. Okay. And so you can have the opposite,
which is a somato visceral reflex. where if the
muscle or tissue or the bones are off that can
cause an organ or gland to be stressed. But in
this case she had a visceral somatic reflex where
her stomach was upset because of food and as
a result she started feeling pain in her back.
Anyways, we were able to do some things that
helped her stomach that then actually helped
alleviate some back pain too. And so it's pretty
fascinating how it can go both ways. A simple
way of maybe To just to kind of help this drive
in this, this message, cause it is a pretty fascinating
way of how our body works. I mean, imagine this.
Um, so where I live, there's a main highway that
runs North and South in, in Utah that goes through
Salt Lake city. And then of course you have some
offshoot highways that go to the East and to
the West. And let's just say, for example, as
you're going down this highway, um, you notice
that there's a traffic jam. And it's impeding
traffic all the way back, you know, several miles.
Um, and, and let's say it's, it's even past where
you go east and west, but that traffic jam, as
it starts to influence, it starts to come back.
And now you're also blocking those pathways to
go east and west. And it's kind of like similar
to what I'm describing here. So we might have
a pathway from our brain to our body. That's
maybe going directly to. that stomach but let's
say there's a traffic jam there because of some
underlying stress like chemicals or toxins or
bad food or hidden infections or whatever then
that's creating like a feedback to where now
it's also influencing that nerve that's coming
down that spinal cord and as it exits the spinal
cord there's one path that goes to the to the
left to the stomach and then another path that
goes to the right to the muscles into the spine
and so now it's like everything over here that's
just kind of all you know, gummed up and congested
from traffic jam, that's also now influencing
the muscles over here that go down this other
path. Hopefully that makes sense. Um, but it's,
uh, it is fascinating. And then of course, you
know, as we adjust these areas of the body and
you know, the cervical spine and the thoracic
spine. So cervical, of course, being the neck,
thoracics, the middle of the back and the lumbar
is the lower back, but, um, there's some powerful
powerful things that can happen from an adjustment
that can really unlock some things both mentally
and emotionally as well as physically. So, did
I do an okay job explaining that, Ryan? Yeah,
I love the road analogy because it's a perfect
analogy. It sounds like what the chiropractor
can do is get closer to the problem. If it's
body because the brain will register it but from
there what happens like the brain is the one
that's like Receiving the signal and making sense
of the pain where the pain is happening But you
can get down there and get closer to the problem
you bet and Reveal the true root cause and I
like that about medicine is finding root cause
problems And not just like the symptom treatment.
You bet. Yeah. Are those ganglion cells that
you were talking about that's communicating there
or no? Yeah. You definitely do have some of those
ganglion cells. Um, and, uh, so you got the nerve,
um, you've got those nerves as they're exiting
the spine and, you know, the, um, you know, we
call those of course, peripheral nerves, um,
as they're exiting the spine. And there is some
ganglion and then there is this feedback that's
constantly going on. So you got what we call
motor and sensory. So motor nerves are ones that
go from the brain to the body and sensory nerves
are ones that go from the body to the brain.
And so it's kind of like that motor and sensory
nerves working together in tandem. Um, a very
good example would be me like opening and closing
my hand right now. This is me telling my motor
nerves to, to work. But let's say if I, if I
touch a hot stove, the sensory sends that signal
so fast that then the motor throws down another
signal really quick to say, pull back, you know,
it's kind of, kind of a fascinating thing where
you see the, that happen. Yeah. Yeah. Those things
that we don't have to necessarily think about.
Exactly. That's like, that's like your field.
Some psychology, which is what like, autism and
psychiatry kind of falls under. Yeah, it's just
like, it's those things that we don't have to
think about. Is that? Yeah, so maybe we can talk
about those motor and sensory neurons as it relates
to autism, because those are definitely involved
with the brain and body connection and things
like apraxia. I don't know if you have any experience
with apraxia. And then I'm thinking also like
the somatosensory and motor cortex too, if you
have any information about how the spine and
body is interacting with those two areas right
there. Do you have experience with working with
people that have autism and regarding like those
motor and sensory problems? And is it the somatosensory
area, motor cortex area that is the ultimate
receiver of the sensory neurons that you're talking
about and then facilitating those motor? Yeah.
So there's a doctor that I've trained under.
His name is Dr. Alan Phillips. He's from New
Zealand. He's a DO, so a doctor of osteopathy.
Through his research and his clinical applications
and study and determinations, he's been able
to create a system that's been pretty fascinating.
It's called the neurological integration system
or his company. I think is called neuro link.
Um, but his work has probably been one of the
most fascinating things where we've used basically
kind of what you're talking about. And it's a
way to test different points on the body to see
if there's a signal default or not. And so there's
a lot of muscle testing that I use. Where we
use, um, the stimulus from a muscle spindle cell.
Um, for example, if I have a patient. And if
some of these kids can't do this on their own,
so I can actually test using their parent and
I can use their arm. It's like, I can have their,
the parent hold their arm out and then why I'm
testing their arm. I'll test and have them hold
it and they'll hold strong. And that's my baseline.
But then as I touch certain points on the child's
body, because if we're right there in the same
space together, we can actually do this. It's
pretty fascinating. But I can test the parent.
And as I touch the child, let's just say I touch
the prefrontal, I'll touch the premotor cortex.
This spot here has some unique connections neurologically
with the hippocampus, the amygdala, the visual
cortex, auditory cortex, all those things. And
there's ways we can test different, different,
um, uh, you know, an opportunity to test to see
if some of those things are connecting or engaging
or functioning. And then there's these unique
little ways of how we can contact points on the
body. To where it's like sending information
to the nervous system to hit a reset button.
And so we, we do function with that often. And
we find that there's some really neat things
that can initiate, um, change. with even just
some of these gentle little touch and corrections.
So it's pretty powerful. Dr. Phillips, his work
is really fascinating. And that's one of the
ways that we really can tap into that sensory
motor complex, because we can use this both for,
for example, different aspects with I'll give
you a simple example of how well the right brain
and the left brain are communicating together.
And you've got that spot right in the middle
there that is a bridge. And where if there's
something that's just not connecting or flowing
as well, there's unique ways we can test that
just using some muscle testing and me contacting
different points on the body. And then we can
create a correction. And it can be instantaneous
to see the correction being made. But then, of
course, the body will then process that and it
will, you know, over to over the next. Sometimes
it can be really, really fast where you see it
just kind of things click on. And then sometimes
it's like, OK, the body needs to work through
those changes. And within 24, 48 hours. You'll
even start to see some improvements. One of the
big signs that I see when I know things are working
internally with the nervous system is that when
I'm done working with a patient, they feel exhausted
and they just want to go home and take a nap.
Um, and you start to see their eyes start to
gloss over. Um, but with these little corrections
and these little contact points as we're touching
testing, and then there's you, there's unique
ways to do a little reset. Then you start to
see things kind of shift and it's really fascinating
because it gives me a chance to test You know
apply and then retest and then be able to see
see some cool changes that happen and so if if
you wanted to Experience this for yourself You
would probably want to go to neuro link global
and there's different NIS practitioners throughout
the United States. And actually there's several
in Australia, New Zealand, Europe as well that
do this type of work. So I'm one of many that
uses that technique and it's pretty fascinating.
Okay, so your practice has that? Yeah, we do
that here. Is Dr. Phillips the one that kind
of introduced you to that? So he's the grandfather
of the technique. He's the one that basically
developed it. And then there's another doctor
that's here in the States. He's from Seattle
area named Dr. Jim Bents. He would be a great
person to interview to give you more details
about NIS if you wanted to learn more about that.
But he's the one that I Um, he's the main contact
for the United States that, um, is someone that
I learned under him. And then I've gone to seminars
internationally, like up in Canada, um, where
I met Dr. Phillips there and we did some training.
And so I've, I have worked closely with him just
through those seminars and different conferences
that I've been to. Okay. Um, because the reason
I asked is because, um, Just like our conversation
earlier or the question earlier about people
not understanding how Chiropractic practices
can help these these types of conditions and
People might think that it's like pseudo or you
know, they're just being sold Procedures, but
yeah Whenever I learned about it. I knew somebody
personally that took their child to Louisville
for this type of thing. And it's like, Oh, what
is this? But you know, that I mentioned earlier,
like when once it gets below the brainstem, I'm
just like, I don't necessarily do that as much.
Yeah. So can you can you tell us about this to
say that a parent is calling you wanting to set
up a an evaluation or so forth for their child
with autism? Can you just take us through that
process? Sure. Yeah. So I still work face to
face with a lot of those families where I do
the hands on work, similar to kind of what I've
explaining. So if someone were to come, come
in. We would basically the the evaluation would
be I'd be looking at their spine. I'd be filling
their vertebrae I'd be feeling to see how well
things are moving I pay special attention especially
to the upper cervical part so right where that
brainstem and spinal cord come together if there's
a lot of dysfunction or you know any kind of
restriction there that can definitely have some
strong influence on on the nervous system and
then Through there, we, we evaluate, um, the,
the function of the spine, but then I get into,
um, checking some of those points that I was
talking about as far as palpation. So filling
for points of where I feel what we call an involuntary
muscle contraction. Those are some spots that
I would look at. Cause that can give me an indication
if there's organs or glands that could be under
stress. Cause again, that's that visceral somatic
reflex that we're looking at. And then I take
note of that. And then I have some unique ways
where we can do some more muscle testing or kinesiology
is maybe a word some people are familiar with
and where I'll actually test and I'll touch different
points of the body. For example, you know, if
I touch right on the back of the head that I'm
testing to see if the cerebellum is under stress
or if I touch right here in between. You know
my eyebrows that i'm testing for that has a unique
reflex point with the pineal gland or if i touch
of course right here in the throat and i muscle
test and the arm drops that can be indicating
that the thyroid gland might be under stress
so i go through and i do an organ gland scan
and i determine and i make note of all the organs
or glands that seem to be having a signal default
and then from there We then try to figure out,
okay, what's the priority? And there's unique
ways where we can determine what the priority
organ or gland is. And then we determine through
using different frequencies. You know, I use
a lot of physics in my office. We use chemistry
with like blood work and urine and stuff like
that. But I like to use physics because it's
fast, easy, and it's still really effective.
And so I have different frequencies where we
can go and maybe test over the liver and we can
see okay, what's causing stress there and I have
frequencies of things like Heavy metals or I
have a frequency of parasites And so if the arm
that I'm testing drops when I'm holding that
against the body Then that's the body way of
giving me indication that this is causing stress
here If the arm stays strong when I'm testing
over there with whatever it is I'm holding in
my hand that has that frequency, and there are
these little vials that have the frequency just
to kind of give you an idea. Then if the arm
stays strong, then that's the body giving me
feedback saying, hey, this isn't a problem. You
know, we don't need to worry about this, but
we can do that with testing all sorts of frequencies
from, you know, parasites to heavy metal toxins
to chemicals. to fungus, to mold, to candida
and yeast, to Lyme's disease like Borrelia, Babesia,
Ehrlichia, Mycoplasma, Bartonella. Those are
all part of the Lyme disease family. Rickettsia
would be part of that too. Those are, you know,
underlying hidden infections. We can also test
the frequency of bacteria and viruses, as well
as like radiation, radon gas, you know, really
lots of different things. even checking for foods
like maybe someone is really reactive to to dairy
or or to gluten or maybe it's none of those and
it's more eggs and so there's there's ways we
can even hold the frequency of those foods and
hold it against the body and do some testing
and So we're just gathering a lot of information
trying to understand. What is the body's priority
trying to figure out? What's creating the most
stress on the system at this time? And then from
there, we go forward and then we create a plan
to help with that individual. So that gives you
an idea. And then some other techniques we'll
use are, so I talked about NIS, another one that
a doctor from Florida, he developed, his name's
Dr. Michael Chance, and it's called the hypothalamus
reset technique. And the hypothalamus is a critical
part of the brain. That's I would say it's the
control tower for so many things with like temperature
control, appetite, hormone function. You know,
it does help regulate the nervous system with
with different things. And so it's also part
of that limbic center of the brain with the emotions
and things of that nature and stress and trauma.
So there's a unique technique called the hypothalamus
reset technique that we use. And then a big thing
that I'm doing virtually for my patients is really
mostly focusing on cellular healing. And so that's
where we determine and try to understand, well,
I've created a plan that's been working fantastically
with so many families. It's designed to help
heal at the cell level. reduce cellular inflammation.
And then of course, since our body is made up
of trillions of cells, if we can help improve
the cellular health, then that naturally ripples
into so many other things. And so with that program,
we use a lot of focus on... preparing the body
by supporting the downstream detox pathways and
the drainage funnel, which would include your
liver, your kidney, your colon, your lymphatic
system. We make sure those areas are working
properly because again, what's causing cellular
inflammation and inflammation at the brain and
the nervous system. Oftentimes can be some of
those things we've talked about such as, you
know, heavy metal toxicity, chemical toxicity,
environmental toxins, parasites, mold, fungus,
hidden infections, things of that nature. Just
to give you a quick example, I had a mother bring
a child into my office. This has probably been
a year and a half ago now. And this cute little
baby was only a month old. And he was having
seizures. And the parents went to their doctor.
They didn't know why this child was having seizures.
And they tried some different things and it wasn't
calming down the seizure response. So she was
referred into our office by a family member that
had come to us. And this mom brings in her baby
boy. and as i'm going through and doing this
exact same kind of testing that i'm describing
with you using the mom to do some muscle testing
using those frequencies to try to determine what's
causing stress on this this poor little baby's
nervous system and what's crazy ryan is we discovered
that it was microscopic parasites of all things
How does a newborn baby get parasites? I don't
know. And it's not because the parents are not
not because they're unclean or they're, you know,
careless. There's nothing of that nature. But
somehow this child had been exposed to it. And
and that was the stressor. And so I have some
different herbs that we use in tincture. So liquid.
And she was able to put it in the bottle. And
sure enough, within a matter of a week or so,
those seizures calmed down and stopped. They
went on vacation, actually, and left the supplements
behind that were designed to help with killing
the parasites and helping flush it out of the
body. And they forgot. And guess what? The seizures
came back. And the reason why is because they
hadn't done it long enough. And so as they went
through that process, After a good, you know,
probably two months of using these products,
the seizures didn't return. Um, and now that
little boy is, uh, walking around in 18 months
or so. Well, yeah, he's probably about 18 months
now and, and doing, doing great. Um, but it,
but it was something like that, that you would
never really think about, but killing that hidden
infection helped relieve the cellular inflammation
at the nerve that was affecting the nervous system.
That's remarkable. Yeah. Oh my goodness And of
course, that's that's his unique story So I wouldn't
say everyone that has a seizure is it's probably
parasites But you never know until you start
trying to look and to search for it Yeah, that
that root cause finding again. Yeah, which is
hard to do if you know There's so many different
ways of going about that, but it sounds like
you were able to find it pretty fast Yeah, fortunately
just again I've been really blessed to come across
different doctors throughout my career where
it's it's almost like I find them at the right
time You know and then they have you know connections
with different techniques or different education
or different ways of applying some of this and
so I guess you could say I've I've kind of created
this potpourri of things where, you know, you
come to my office and you could, even though
I have a lot of different techniques, I wouldn't
say people are paying to receive a technique.
They're just wanting to receive health. And so
we use all the tools we have. And depending on
that individual, we have tools that we know we
can use to try to understand, okay, what's the
underlying stressor? Why is this happening? And
then what tools can we use to help reset or allow
the body to heal itself? Yeah, I see a lot of
different conditions, especially those so -called
psychiatric conditions that you treat on your
website at True North Cairo. And it makes me
think that these are mostly connected or all
of them are connected upstream. Yeah. But our
paradigm kind of just tends to treat symptoms.
Can you talk a little bit about how all of those
conditions, if you find like they're maybe kind
of connected, maybe they just manifest differently?
Yeah, as far as which conditions specifically?
Well, I saw like the ADD autism, schizophrenia
was on there, things like bipolar was on there.
if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Like there was maybe
12 to 15 conditions there. Sure. Yeah. So there's
a few different ways we go about that. So I kind
of explained a little bit, but the the unique
connection between all of it is there's a few
things. So there typically is some kind of an
underlying stressor that maybe hasn't been found.
So it could be one of those hidden toxins or
infections that we, we talked about, but then
there could also be old trauma. So it could be
both physical trauma and emotional trauma that
can, can create, I guess you could call it like
a PTSD. And of course, when I first thought of
PTSD a long time ago, I thought, Oh, that's only
connected to people that have gone to war and
witnessed, you know, awful things and they come
back and whatever. But man, you can have PTSD
from, um, All sorts of things and we, you know,
you might not even know it. And so I've, I've,
I've seen how there's unique connections though,
with emotional stress and trauma that can definitely
also influence the nervous system. And then when
that nervous system has been influenced in a
negative way, that can also create, um, I guess
you could say imbalanced patterns with brain
waves. And, and then that can also. Snowball
into other issues for example usually for a lot
of people. This isn't the case for everyone but
a lot of times anxiety that's been going on long
enough. Can eventually turn into depression right
or some of these other things can be an underlying
stress or trigger now again you gotta remember.
That again the way our body was created is designed
to be self healing self regulating. And it and
it's it's capable of doing that but if it's not
doing that that's when you have to start to put
on your investigative hat. And just say instead
of just trying to treat the symptom to calm down
the symptom. You know ask the question why right
or what is the body trying to tell me. And so
those are the things that really we look at.
We do have a treatment in our office called neurofeedback.
And that's one of those unique things where you
actually, to determine, it's a way to determine
if the brain waves are in balance. And so we
use like a shower cap. It looks like a shower
cap. It's got all these little sensors in it.
And then we'll put gel into the sensors to where
it's touching the scalp. to the sensor. So the
liquid gel kind of gives us that connection to
the brain waves. And then we have a software
that allows us to be able to interpret which
brain waves are working too fast or too slow,
or if they're imbalanced, or if they're right
-sided imbalance, left -sided imbalance, all
that stuff. So we're looking at, you know, delta,
theta, beta, high beta, and alpha. And that has
an opportunity to see what's going on there.
So So this is one of those ways where we can
help create a shift in in training the brain
It's kind of like hiring a personal trainer For
your brain instead of going to the gym to hire
a personal trainer for your getting big muscles
You know the neurofeedback is in a sense. That's
what it is. And so that's been a tool that's
been really fascinating and so we do see with
some of those brain waves and which ones and
which part of the brain where it might be too
fast or too slow that could be connected to,
you know, depression, anxiety, insomnia, ADD,
ADHD, PTSD, OCD, chronic headaches or migraines
can also have some connection here as well as
post -concussion syndrome. So those things can
all be measured with this brain mapping with
neuro neurofeedback. And so so that's been fascinating.
But again, knowing that the underlying cellular
inflammation, I would say is probably the common
connecting point to. If we can help calm that
down, then we start to see again where it's me
stepping back and saying, OK, body, you know
what to do from here. You got it. And so. Like
I'll give you an example of one of our patients
that has dealt with bipolar depression. He was
diagnosed with it. He's in his forties He's lived
with this for decades and You know, we we suggested
neurofeedback He declined that option. So then
I said, okay. Well, let's focus on the cellular
healing part and let's see what happens And sure
enough, as we go through our evaluation and determination
of what could be underlying stressor on him,
we determined that there was definitely some
toxicity and some hidden infections. And as we
started addressing that, things didn't shift
right away. This one took some time because again,
this man, he'd been dealing with this for decades.
From the time he was like 12 to 15 years old.
and now he's, you know, 45. And, and so I knew
it wasn't going to be a quick fix, but it probably
took two or three months to where he then things
started just making that shift. It was probably
about two months, but we were giving him different
products that helped with cellular healing, reducing
inflammation, porting the brain, the nervous
system, and then detoxification as well. And
as we've made that shift, It's been amazing.
It's been life -changing for this individual.
He's more confident. He's capable of functioning
on a daily basis where before he had suicidal
thoughts. He had challenges with focus. He had
challenges with energy. He had challenges with
motivation. And so that was his story. We have
another patient that came in with depression
and the neurofeedback was the thing that he needed
the most. So it's really cool because we got
a lot of different ways where we can help people
and where we can support individuals with their
needs. But again, our goal is we're not treating
the condition or the symptom, but we're treating
the person and trying to understand what's going
to be the best fit for them and what they're
willing to do too. Because you know, we're not
gonna force anyone or say oh if you don't do
this then you know, there's no hope It's just
like okay. Let's meet you where you're at and
And then we'll go from there And so So, I mean
healing and working with the body. It's kind
of like a garden, you know You have to make sure
you're prepping the soil. You've got to make
sure that the weeds are removed Then those plants
can flourish and they can thrive and they can
produce fruit But if you never take care of the
weeds and if you never give the soil the fertilizer
and all the good things that it needs, it's hard
for those plants to really flourish. And so that's
really probably a good analogy and a part of
our philosophy is we want to take care of the
soil. We want to make sure that it gives that
body and brain a chance to thrive. And I would
say that's probably the biggest connecting piece
with all those different conditions. Um, and
then of course there's fine tuning and tweaking
and other things like that. So yeah, that's good
for him, especially, you know, bipolar, um, people,
especially if they're in a manic episode, you
know, they don't want to treat or seek treatment
for sure. So, uh, that's very fascinating stuff.
The brainwaves are underrated. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
There's, there's a lot with the brainwaves. And
especially with autism, the inability to get
into theta and then high gamma. Do you have experience
with, um, with checking the brainwaves and autism?
And do you have like, um, if, if you do, is,
is there some like common things that you're
seeing? You know, unfortunately we haven't done
as much with autism in the brain, um, brainwave
kind of a assessment. We have had some, it does
seem like though that, um, Alpha is really high,
the alpha waves. And then theta seems to be really,
really off as well. And so I don't have enough
good data to really, really share about the ones
that we have done. Those are some of the things
that I recall when we've done the brain mapping
there. The other challenge too with sometimes
doing a brain map for a kid on the spectrum is
The result might not always be super accurate.
And the reason why for you and me, if we do a
brain map, um, if we just, we can sit still for,
you know, six minutes more or less. Um, and,
and we can do that, but for a kid that's like,
you know, even if they're neuro typical, um,
It's still hard to sit still for like five to
six minutes, you know? So sometimes there can
be, you know, what we call just little, oh shoot,
what's the word? Oh, it'll come to me. But just
little blips of like, okay, that seems like that's
some kind of a fragment that's, you know, not
quite right. So that can be one of the challenging
things, is making sure they're trying to get
them to sit still, because at least with the
type of machine I'm using, that's how it is for
us. Now, there might be more sophisticated and
expensive pieces of equipment that maybe certain
hospitals have, and they might be able to measure
it a little bit more effectively. But that can
be one of the challenges too. But we do know
that there is going to be brain activity that
is going to be in balance with those brainwaves
for sure and so So yeah, it would be I would
love to I would love to see if there was any
research about that because I I haven't found
any as far as like just testing kids on the spectrum
and seeing what the common theme is or the you
know, Maybe patterns that you're noticing because
that would be fascinating Yeah, so what I know
the lack of inhibition because autism has a lot
of lack of inhibition, especially the parvalium.
It doesn't allow theta to work properly. So it's
a little bit higher. And a guy, I think, Earl
Miller from MIT, he just released a paper that
was showing like, we're constantly having this
theta wave going across like scanning the brain.
It's kind of suppressing. unwanted things, basically.
So with autism, you know, that's not happening.
And then alpha with a thalamic or thalamocortical
cortical communications. And you know, that's
a big, big problem with autism. Yeah, that was
speaking with a cortex. It's pretty bad stuff.
Yeah, that inhibition thing is a central theme,
I think, to autism. on various levels. Yeah.
For sure. Yeah, it's interesting. One thing that
I've heard parents report that I work with is
they'll notice that some of the different therapies
they use seem to improve when we address some
of the underlying cellular stress too. which
like the, the inhibition that you notice, or
maybe some other things that, um, are, are patterns
that they have that are, uh, more challenged
that when you calm down the inner inner chaos,
how it's like the, the ability to actually engage
in, say, some of those therapies actually enhances
and improves too. So it's, that's, that's been
something that I've found. That's been really
interesting as well. Yeah. those brainwaves are
a part of the future, I think. Yeah. It's like,
imagine a sports team, which in sports earlier,
it's like, you know, it's all about space and
time. If, like, if it's a basketball team, people
have to be like, in sync. And this is what we're
talking about. We just have to be in sync. And
that's not happening. So things are not communicating
and operating. Yeah. The oxidative stress is
a big thing too. Yeah. Do you have experience
with that or no? Yeah, I mean indirectly, you
bet. So yeah, there's different ways to influence
that. I would say some of the strategies that
we use, there's some different products that
we have that can help support that and try to
help increase good healthy oxygenation, better
blood flow, circulation. but then also, um, trying
to remove some of those free radicals and, and
then, um, you know, helping the body just in
a sense, like clear out some of that stuff and
then bring it back in with, follow it up with,
um, good nutrients and other things that can
be, um, neuroprotective and supportive too. So,
but yeah. The, um, correct me if I'm wrong, but
there was, um, a little section on your website
about nutrition. with nutrition and autism? Yeah,
for sure. And both anecdotally from parents and
patients, but also from some research. I know
a lot of families have found gluten -free and
dairy -free to really make a difference for their
child. And I think it's largely due to some of
those proteins are just harder for their body
to process. There's a lot of challenges with
these kids with methylation. and how well they
can basically process certain B vitamins. And
of course, if they're struggling there, then
that means it creates a ripple effect into other
aspects. And so good nutrition can make a really
big difference. In fact, one family I was talking
with a couple of weeks ago, just from some of
the changes they made with diet, huge, huge improvements
with some behavior and some of the habits that
this child was displaying. Um, you know, getting
rid of like the, um, you know, the, some of the
big no -no's that we all, we all should be avoiding
would be, you know, the different food dyes,
you know, red food dye, um, yellow, all those
different ones can create some excitotoxicity
and, and, um, to the nerves and can cause some
added stress. Um, reducing. the inflammatory
components in our diet, such as, I would definitely
strongly recommend, and this is something anyone
can apply, and actually it could be a benefit
if you're not doing it already. But with the
type of oils that we cook with, for example,
canola oil and soybean oil, very highly processed.
You could argue that it's maybe best to use an
attractor because it's definitely not designed
to be consumed for for us and it's a large large
part of it is just the way that it's manufactured
and processed and So it's just it's very creates
a lot of inflammation on the cellular level so
removing that and exchanging it with like butter
or ghee or Olive oil or coconut oil or avocado
oil, those types of things. Much better option
when it comes to cooking is using something like
that. And it's something anyone can do. It's
just without feeling the overwhelm. Unless you
bought a lifetime of supply of canola oil, then
I'm sorry, but, but you know, you just. Exchange
it so you're gonna still cook with oil or something
like that so instead of using this one that's
more inflammatory let's bring in this one you
know that's a healthier option and can still
get the job done the way you want it to. So so
those are some things that we have seen and witnessed
with some of the families. And then definitely
no reducing some of the process sugars. That
would be a big one too, and I would say you know
gluten is interesting I think that if it was
a gluten from like say 1980 That would probably
be okay But the way that our farming has developed
and that's become more industrialized and of
course They use now what they call roundup ready
crops using glyphosate which can be very damaging
to the intestines as well as the nervous system.
Glyphosate is the main ingredient found in Roundup,
and it can cause leaky gut, which means if you
have leaky gut, then you also have a leaky blood
-brain barrier. And so anything we can do to
reduce any exposure to some of that. And unfortunately,
a lot of the wheat and the gluten that this country
consumes sadly has probably been sprayed with
some of that stuff. So that's another piece that
I think is why some kids are more sensitive as
well. But again, there can be some different
challenges genetically that can make them have
a harder time with digestion and processing some
of that. Yeah. The suggestions on those oils
are huge because of the lipid, I think. Yes.
troubles with beta oxidation, something like
L -carnitine can have improvements. Yes. You
know, that's a simple fix. Yeah, it is. I don't
know about lipids and beta oxidation, though.
I mean, lipids are huge. Yeah. It's like the
end goal is oxidative phosphorylation. That's
where all these foods and things are going. And
that's back to the oxidative stress and cellular
Um, that's dysfunction, I should say cellular
dysfunction. Yeah. And, you know, that's just,
um, changing things, not really adding or. Yeah.
It's just, I don't know. It's worth a shot for
sure. And I'm glad you mentioned like those.
If you go back to 1980, yeah, maybe is, you know,
there's been a lot of changes, not necessarily
good changes and maybe for profit changes. Yeah.
Right. Yeah, it's very disturbing. I want to
ask you about, you talked about that one month
old with the parasite and then you talked about
the bipolar patient and you're talking about
giving them something like a mineral or something.
Can you speak more about how you go about making
that and is that something that your practice
has? So I don't make any of the stuff that I'm
giving. I've got several different companies
that I use. And so I purchased the products,
and then I just find the ones that are gonna
be best for that individual, and then I give
it to them. So I've got some great companies
that I use that I really trust and that I've
used for a long time, and I've seen those products
work time and time again, so I have a lot of
confidence with those. So I just, I just keep
stuff on my shelf, um, that I know is going to
work. And then depending on the individual, then
we are able to test to figure out, okay, which
one of these options is going to be best. For
example, um, with parasites, I probably have
over, let's see, 10 to 13 different products
in my office that can help kill parasites. But
each product is really good, but it's all about
discovering and understanding. Okay. which one
is the best. And so I would say there's a few
that I definitely lean on more than others and
find to be more effective. But then again, some
people's chemistry might respond better to this
product versus this other one from this other
company. And so does that answer your question?
Yeah, yeah. I was wondering if you kind of facilitate
that or is it just like then they have to go
get a prescription from like an M .D. and then
other other stops and things. But it sounds like.
Yeah, you do all that legwork and your experiences
allowed you to channel that and understand it,
because that's another thing that's not well
known is what you were just talking about there,
like for an option. Yeah, exactly. It's true.
I mean, if you hear something interesting, Ryan,
Let's use an example that I just have seen in
my office just in the last couple of weeks. Um,
here in Utah, we have the mountains and there
can be what's called an inversion where the smog
and the nasty air quality can just settle. And
it's really bad during the winter months. Um,
but once a storm comes in, then it pushes that
air out. Well, so when somebody has sniffles,
congestion, sinus issues, um, cough, sore throat.
And immediately, what's the first thing that
we think of? We think, oh, there's probably a
bacteria or a virus that's going around and causing
these symptoms, right? So then what's the common
thing that gets prescribed? Well, let's go get
some antibiotics. Now, that might be the right
thing for some people. But what's interesting
is I've witnessed as some of these people have
come in, those things, those antibiotics don't
touch some of that. And why it's because the
the air they're breathing in right now, the nasty
chemicals that are just, you know, overloading
our air quality. And it's definitely affecting
the sinuses. It's affecting the, you know, the
lungs and all this other stuff. And so I've been
able to determine for a large quantity of people
that chemical toxicity is the underlying reason
why you're having the sniffles, the sore throat,
the congestion. And so. If you have the right
tool in place, then you're able to clear that
stuff out. Um, but it's all about understanding,
okay, what is the thing that's creating that
stress? And so, so we have some tools again,
um, for chemicals and chemical toxicity. I've
probably got like one, two, three, four, five,
six, seven, eight, nine, 10, like, yeah, nine
or 10 different products that can help with that
too. Um, so. So, uh, you know, Hopefully that
kind of gives you some insight, um, as far as
different, different ways we, we look at things
and, and how, how it's important to, to have
that open mind. Right. Yeah. A lot of people,
yeah, we'll just instantly go to those antibiotic
or something over the counter. And it's just
like, okay. So what harm are doing? Yeah. Like
a, like a, it could be a decongestant and that
might help with the symptoms. But, you know,
it and a lot of times it works and it does help
people feel better, but there's still likely
an underlying piece there that's still present.
So and the accumulation over time, what's that
going to look like, you know, long term? Yeah,
yeah, because they think, oh, it works. And then
that's their go to. And that's kind of what we're
led to believe. Like, that's your option. Yeah.
But yeah, so definitely definitely more options
available than we sometimes consider like you
were saying Yeah That's my biggest takeaway with
talking to you today is like there's a lot more
different options and there they seem to be Pretty
spot -on and accurate with the root cause symptom,
which I'm very much for So do you see clients
or patients remotely? Yeah, so the way I've structured
my work lately, so I've created a program, it's
called Health Empowered Families. So if you go
to healthempoweredfamilies .com, you can put
in your name and information there, and you can,
then it leads you to a free training that I created
that specifically talks about the cellular healing.
And then if that's something that interests you
and you feel like potentially could be helpful,
then you could set up a consultation. So once
we get into the consultation, that's where we
talk and we determine what are the biggest priorities
for you and your child. And again, this is specifically
designed for families with kids on the spectrum.
And so I found that there was a lot of people
that were reaching out and showing interest in
coming to see me in my office here in Utah. But
what I learned was, you know what? I've seen
a pattern with a lot of these kids over time
that if I can implement these few things and
do it in this sequence, that it can put us in
a position of having great outcomes for these
kids. And so I basically structured a four phase
program. And as we go through this process, it's
fascinating where we go through it and I provide
the resources for the families. Once they choose
to engage with me, um, I mail those to them and
then I coach them through it. And with, with
the different patients, we might tweak things
a little bit here or there, but I've got a pretty
sound system that I've discovered. And then of
course we fine tune and tweak and adapt as needed
with each individual. Cause everyone's going
to be a little different too. But it's been a
fascinating thing. And so I've got clients from
all over the country that I'm working with right
now virtually. And the best way to engage with
me would be through that healthempoweredfamilies
.com website, where you can actually learn more
about the cellular healing and understand if
this is a path that makes sense. And if anything,
just explore in the consultation. what we do
the, you know, we have a pretty reasonable fee
for the consultation. It's only if I want to
remember, I think we just changed it, but it's
like thirty seven dollars basically just to do
the consultation. And so so that's an opportunity
to gauge and then it's not the right fit for
everyone. And that's OK. And so that's where
you can explore those options in the consultation
with me and to determine if it would make sense
to. to do something and so that's how i'm working
with a lot of families throughout the country
at this time because i realize this is something
that families with children on the spectrum i
would say there's a more than enough availability
to find good therapies where people live but
when it comes to the cellular healing part what
i've learned is it's a piece that's missing and
it's an aspect that isn't getting addressed as
as thoroughly as we would like. Now, you've probably
heard of leukovorin and things like that, and
that's a medication that can be really powerful
and helpful, but it is something that I would
say is providing a need where there may be a
deficiency in the phalamic acid, one of the B
vitamins, and that can really make a difference.
However, at the same time, it seems to be incomplete.
And so as I go through this four phases with
families, we're able to really hone in on getting
into some of more of those root cause things
that can be creating that cellular inflammation.
You can still continue to take some of those
things that you're taking like leukovorin or
other things that people naturally take. But
we kind of fill in the gaps where a lot of times
it seems like families, when I talk to them,
they might have maybe tried one of the phases
that I recommend, but not all four phases and,
and where it's just how they all work together
nicely. Um, so, so that would probably be the
easiest and best way to engage. Um, and, and
where I do, yes, work in fact with people, um,
all over. So like just, uh, yesterday I was talking
to a parent from, uh, the Kansas city area. Um,
and then earlier this week it was a mom from
California and then. Um, you know, so just all
over. So. Okay. Great news. Yeah. I'll put those,
uh, in the show notes too. Um, I have a couple
of more questions, but they're not really practice
related unless we haven't covered, um, some,
if you want to mention something practice related
before we kind of switched gears. Yeah. Um, covered.
No, I feel like, uh, I feel like we've been able
to touch on a lot of good things and. I think
you've asked good questions and it's led me to
share some good information. So yeah, I'm satisfied
with what we're doing. Okay. So I'm going to
at least ask one. Yeah. What is something you're
most excited about recently? Let's see. Is that
more on a professional note? It could be either.
Okay. Yeah, I think Let's see, you know, it's...
You know, it's the little wins. The little wins
go a long way with families, with kids on the
spectrum. For example, you know, something that
one of these parents responded to me recently
was that after starting the... the program with
us, how her daughter slept through the night,
you know, for the first time in a long time.
And, you know, woke up really happy the next
day, you know, I mean, little things like that,
that really, that really gets me excited and
makes me happy. I always love, you know, being
able to witness just how individuals that we
serve and that we work with where they they can
see and feel and notice an impact, knowing that
we're helping them find some hope and relief.
And it doesn't come quick. I don't believe in
quick fixes, especially when it comes to kids
on the spectrum, but patience and persistence
will pay off. So anyways, that's one thing I'm
excited about. The other thing I'm excited about
on a personal note is I love supporting my kids
with their sports, and my daughter's playing
on the high school basketball team, and that's
been a fun experience for me. So when my other
daughter is competitive in volleyball, and I've
got another daughter that's competitive in pickleball,
and another daughter that likes dance. So it's
fun to be a part of my family's life. Life happens
here. I'm glad you mentioned that the example
with the sleeping through the night, because
every autistic person has a problem with circadian
rhythm. Yeah. It's underrated. It is. Yeah, those
small wins are huge for the family with autism.
Yeah, it is. It is big. Well, Dr. and I, I think
maybe we'll just wrap it up there. Yeah, I think
that's great. I'm so blessed that we had this
conversation. Yeah, thanks, Ryan. Hope you have
a great day. Yeah, you too. I appreciate your
time and this opportunity and keep up the good
work. You're you're doing some great things.
Yeah, thanks. You too. Thank you so much. Very
fascinating episode. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah,
I really enjoyed it and just to think I can sense
just the good man that you are. So so thank you
for the opportunity. Yeah, same to you. Appreciate
it. Awesome, Ryan. Well, God bless you and yeah.
Maybe we'll maybe we'll cross paths again in
the future. Hopefully. Yeah, we can sing a touch
for sure. Okay, sounds good, man Okay, enjoy
the rest of your day