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So check those products out. So now, my conversation

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with Dr. Sabine Hazen. My guest today is Dr.

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Sabine Hazen, MD. Dr. Hazen is a gastroenterologist.

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She currently is at ProgenaBiome, a genetic research

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lab whose interest is to understand the clinical

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implications of the microbiome. It is impossible

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for me to sit here and summarize and introduce

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Dr. Sabine Hazen. Dr. Hazen is one of the hardest

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-working MDs out right now. She is very passionate

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and serious about the oath and about humanity

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and about finding cures and helping fight chronic

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diseases. Surely you will see, if you listen

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to the episode, Dr. Hazen's passion that she

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puts forth into her work. I allow her to just

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introduce herself in this manner. You can easily

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see this passion that I'm talking about. Now,

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my conversation with Dr. Sabine Hazen, MD. I'm

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Dr. Sabine Hazen. I'm a gastroenterologist by

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trade. I stumbled on the microbiome. when a case

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of Alzheimer's improved with fecal transplant.

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The fecal transplant was done. Fecal transplant

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is the procedure where you take stools from a

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healthy donor and put it in an unhealthy. This

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was a patient who had C. diff, a bacteria that

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people get from being immunosuppressed and in

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the hospital using a lot of antibiotics, getting

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diarrhea. And so this patient, we did fecal transplant

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and he improved with Alzheimer's. From there,

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I'm the girl that basically was bringing drugs

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to market with pharmaceutical companies, clinical

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trials, you know, done hundreds of clinical trials

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for pharma, you know, worked for companies like

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Pfizer and Merck and GSK and you name it. For

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years, I was the girl that was basically bringing

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these drugs to market. CDIF was my most recruiting

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clinical trial, I would say, where basically

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when the patients didn't succeed in the drug

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from pharma, I would do fecal transplant. And

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when fecal transplant opened up the world and

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started showing me something in Alzheimer's,

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I started paying attention. And then when Colleen

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Kelly's work of alopecia areata, two patients

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with alopecia areata, improved with fecal transplant,

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I started paying attention. And you know, Sahil

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Khanna with chronic urinary tract infections

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improving, I started paying attention. So at

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the beginning I started utilizing a lab that

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was available about eight years ago. And that

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lab was not really validated. I was getting the

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same stool sample, I was getting different results.

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So I basically created Progenobiont to understand

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the microbiome. So one could say I went from

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being a gastroenterologist to a clinical trial

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doctor to a sponsor, where I'm now leading the

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microbiome research, trying to develop microbiome

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formulas to fix the disease. In other words,

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we've been looking at all these diseases wrong

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by looking at them with, you know, the brain

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for Alzheimer's, when we should be focusing maybe

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on the gut as well. And I say as well because

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nothing is a one, you know, corporate ideology.

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You know, it's either in the gut or it's in the

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brain or it's in both and you got to fix both

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or it's in the connection between the two. And

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so this has been my path. It's a path of discovery.

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It's a path of trying to understand it. It's

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a path of survival. You know, COVID was definitely

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the challenge that got me to pay attention. Pay

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attention to the septic tanks. Pay attention

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to the stools of patients. Pay attention to the

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data that came out of the stool samples in severe

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COVID patients and their microbiome. And then

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pay attention to the different diseases and their

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signature microbiome that we saw. So it's really

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a vision that I have. And it was a path that

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was kind of almost You know designed for me to

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be in this position. You know as the girl who

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does gastroenterology Who does fecal transplant

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who did clinical trials for pharmaceutical companies?

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You know is the natural progression I think you

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know it's almost like the natural progression

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of disease But this is the natural progression

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of my life, so it's taken over my life It's I'm

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obsessed by it, and I think it's the key to longevity

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nothing can be more important than understanding

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these microbes right now at this moment in time

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for me, and it should be for everybody else.

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So in nutshell, that's me. Was it the COVID era

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that really grabbed your attention about, well,

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the gastrointestinal tract? It happened before

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COVID. You know, we were, as GI doctors, we were

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doing fecal transplant with patients on C. diff.

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You know, nobody was really watching us doing

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fecal transplant on patients with C. diff. And

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then, you know, when fecal transplant became

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a pharmaceutical product and it went into clinical

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trials, we were stopped as gastroenterologists

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from doing fecal transplant in a way. Like, let's

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say you want to use the microbiome of your wife

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or your kid for C. diff, and you go to a GI doctor

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right now, you cannot. mainly because there are

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no testing, there are no labs that are testing

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the stools of a donor adequately. And when you

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call, you know, the lab cores of the world and

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the, you know, the quest, it will tell you, well,

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why are you testing the donors? There's a pharmaceutical

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product available. So I think that it happened

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before COVID. I think COVID, that was the beginning,

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but COVID really, you know, opened my eyes to

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to the narrative, to the power of lobbyists,

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to the power of pharma, to the power of, you

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know, influencers. And by influencers, I mean

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politicians on both sides, right? And all that

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interference that happened during COVID with

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suppressing a treatment, early treatment. Now,

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obviously, there's no early treatment that's

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a magic bullet. We know that. Some people tried

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early treatment and it didn't work. It probably

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didn't work because just a single drug was given

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to them and not that combination. When you're

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making a pie, you don't make a pie with one ingredient.

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You need multiple ingredients, right? We're trying

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to heal people, and we're saying, well, here's

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a shot, here's a drink, here's a pill, and you're

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gonna be fixed. Your problems are gonna disappear.

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No, it doesn't work like that. It's really the

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art of medicine. It's really the art of understanding

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the disease, being a detective. Right. When people

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call me, I had a patient the other day call me

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and their assistant wanted to give me the history.

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And I said, I don't want the history from the

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assistant. You don't know if the mom, you know,

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had Alzheimer's, if the mom had, you know, had

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was taking drugs, if the mom, you know, so, you

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know, it's great that there's, you know, these

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people that are taking care of, you know, kids

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but ultimately we have to give the history we

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have to get the history from the person right

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like I would not ask your mom for your history

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for a medical condition I would basically ask

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you directly because there are some things that

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you may not want to tell your mom and there are

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some things that I as a physician need to get

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from you And it's really the art of medicine.

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It's the art of bonding with a patient to get

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to know that they have been molested, that they

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have used drugs, that they have anxiety problems,

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that they're suicidal. It's not something that

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people are just going to put on a piece of paper.

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How many people do you know are going to confess

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that they're alcoholics on a piece of paper?

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No. You have to get it out of there. I really

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got to see that art over 30 years of practice,

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you know, where I had a patient with chronic

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pancreatitis and I would try to understand what's

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the cause of the pancreatitis and I would say,

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are you sure you don't drink? And he would say,

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no, no, I'm not drinking. I don't know what's

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the cause. It's probably my cholesterol. It's

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probably this, that, and come to think of, and

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then after like six visits, He finally confessed

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to me he was a heavy drinker. He would wake up

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in the morning and crave alcohol. But it took

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that relationship, right? It is really a patient

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-doctor relationship to get that history. And,

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you know, when we talk about autism, it's very

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important to understand that it is really that

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patient -doctor relationship that helps us understand

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is the kid a microbiome problem? Is the kid...

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a neurological problem. Is the kid's autism caused

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by an environment? You know, he's living in an

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environment full of mold and toxins, right? He's

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living in a house and plants around him are creating

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a toxicity that is causing him to have problems.

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So it really is detective work. And the only

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way to do that detective work is to really have

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that patient -doctor relationship. Yeah, that's

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lost, I think, because of that narrative about

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maybe this prescription first and fast. Maybe.

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I don't know. I'm just guessing. I think prescription

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first and fast is always the go -to. You know,

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people are, well, let me try this pill. you know,

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maybe it'll work on my kid. But what they don't

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realize is that you try the pill and you just

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aggravated your kid's microbiome. And there is

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a point where you cannot turn back, you know,

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where it is irreversible, okay, where you cannot,

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you've done so much damage that you cannot go

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back and fix the kid because you've burned the

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mucosa. You know, think about the, you know,

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you have a mosquito in your house Using a machete

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and you're basically trying to kill the machine

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the the mosquito but you just destroyed the house

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and You know, it's the same thing. I have to

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think with kids with autism Sometimes they just

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have a small thing that needs to just be tweaked

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and The parents do and and that small thing needs

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to be tweaked and then you have to like see it

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grow Okay. So in other words, I see the microbiome

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and needs to be tweaked I tweak it and I see

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a little bit of improvement in the microbiome,

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but I don't see the clinical picture yet, right?

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Because the clinical picture is going to take,

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you know, six months, nine months, a year to

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see. But what happens is these parents are doing

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a treatment and then they're going, ah, it's

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not working. Let me go to the next person. So

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they're shopping doctors because they themselves

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are very anxious because they live in an environment

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with a kid that's super anxious, that's running

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around, that's not verbalizing, that is in pain,

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but not telling them that they're in pain, right?

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So when you see that, You see these parents are

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very anxious. They want to fix their kids right

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away. But they don't realize it's not a one pill

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fix, and it's not a one pill fix in one day.

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It is truly, truly, you know, continuous treatment,

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observation, and Controlling all the factors,

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controlling the environment, controlling the

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foods, controlling the diet, it's not simple.

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And the moms who have succeeded in treating their

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kids on their own understand that, that it was

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a challenge and they felt it with their gut feeling

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that... this was the right way to do it let's

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continue changing the diet let's continue changing

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continuing the vitamins let's continue that and

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then the persistence and then the kid improved

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okay now the problem is that there's not a lot

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of data on autism right now and a lot of these

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moms are listening to one person who you know

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was helped with leucovorin for example and or

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one person that was helped with fecal transplant.

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So they try things on their own, but they don't

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have the modalities or the tools to really help

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them see if their kid is really on the improvement

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side or not. And because they don't have those

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tools to see if their kid is improving, they're

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continuing on the wrong path. So this is where

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the science is really not defined yet, right?

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finally, you know, are all awake onto the problem

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that we have with autism. You know, this was,

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to me, that was a bigger problem than COVID,

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to be quite honest, because when you see one

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in 12 kids and 12 boys in California, 12 .5 boys

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in California have autism, we have a problem,

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right? And so, you know, when you saw, and it's

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not just autism, it's chronic diseases, it's

00:16:26.090 --> 00:16:29.269
COVID. It's long COVID. Look how many people

00:16:29.269 --> 00:16:32.570
were infected with COVID. Look how many people

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died with COVID. That right there gives you an

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idea of what's happening to humanity. And we're

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not done with COVID, right? So, you know, the

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problem is that until we start analyzing all

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the factors that we're doing, that's destroying

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the microbiome, we're never going to advance

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medicine. And until we stop retraction of papers,

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censorship of doctors that are trying to help

00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:04.180
these kids were not advancing, right? And this

00:17:04.180 --> 00:17:06.680
is what I've realized, right? So remember, I'm

00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:10.259
the girl that started as a Malibu gastroenterologist,

00:17:10.380 --> 00:17:12.960
right? There's no better place to be than Malibu,

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you know, the physician to like the celebrities,

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right? And what have I done to celebrities all

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these years? My celebrity patients, they don't

00:17:20.910 --> 00:17:23.950
want drugs. They don't want pharma. They want

00:17:23.950 --> 00:17:27.029
innovations. They want to be done. They don't

00:17:27.029 --> 00:17:29.809
want to go back to their doctors. They don't

00:17:29.809 --> 00:17:34.650
want to have an injection every six weeks for

00:17:34.650 --> 00:17:38.849
Crohn's disease or biologic. They want an innovation

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that they can go back and say, you know what,

00:17:41.170 --> 00:17:44.609
I'm back to normal and I'm healthy. So, and those

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are the people that have the funds, those are

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the celebrities. So I went from a gastroenterologist

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in Malibu to a clinical trial doctor that does

00:17:52.069 --> 00:17:54.410
clinical trials for pharmaceutical companies

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to being on the front line trying to innovate

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a product for COVID to basically opening the

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door to the microbiome and understanding the

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microbiome. Remember, I'm not the girl that's

00:18:06.910 --> 00:18:10.509
an academician. you know, if I publish, I publish

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for other doctors to see what I'm doing. I don't

00:18:13.549 --> 00:18:16.390
need to publish. I'm a successful gastroenterologist

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in Malibu, you know, so I don't need to share

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what I'm doing on my patients. What happens,

00:18:23.789 --> 00:18:26.690
unfortunately, is what I saw during COVID is

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this censorship and this, you know, killing the

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narrative, killing the narrative, killing the

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possibilities that COVID could be treated in

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early patients. When you see 26 patients that

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are hypoxic and they are improving and you document

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that, it's not to document, hey, this is the

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only treatment. It is to give an idea that sometimes

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cheap solutions can work for some people and

00:19:00.609 --> 00:19:04.750
that's okay. That's the art of medicine. It's

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not just about drugs that are approved by clinical

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trials and by the FDA. When we look at primary

00:19:13.769 --> 00:19:16.750
care physicians, primary care physicians are

00:19:16.750 --> 00:19:19.589
dealing with complex patients, right? So they

00:19:19.589 --> 00:19:21.890
give a cholesterol medication, then they give

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a hypertension medication, then they give an

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anti -reflex medication. What are they doing?

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They're doing combination treatment right there.

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They're taking the history of the patient and

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they're basically saying, my patient needs A,

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B, C, D because this is what I know that's going

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to kill them and I'm going to try to give them

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A, B, C, D of drug. Now the FDA doesn't come

00:19:44.730 --> 00:19:47.349
to every family medicine doctor and says, oh,

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I'm sorry, you just combine A, B, C, and D. You

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need to now make it a drug into a clinical trial

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and therefore it needs to be approved. No. The

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FDA understands this is the art of medicine and

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we need to let primary care doctors treat as

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such. Now oncologists are trying to do the same

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thing where they're combining, you know, treatment,

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chemos and basic and immunotherapy. And, you

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know, the FDA wants a protocol. But is that right?

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I mean, they're oncologists. They're on the front

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line. They're taking care of those patients with

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with cancer that are dying. These patients don't

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have time for the oncologist to write an IND,

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to submit it to the FDA, to wait six months.

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Look, my protocol for familial FMT, in all honesty,

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should have never gone through the FDA. It should

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have been, Dr. Hazen has analyzed enough stools

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of kids with autism that she has a good idea

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of what microbes to give these kids with autism,

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what microbes should be present in the stools

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of the donors, that she chooses a certain donor

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and she saw an N of one, now she wants to see

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an N of 30, it should be a slam dunk, it's not

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a pharmaceutical product. It should be informed

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consent to the parent, informed consent to the

00:21:18.390 --> 00:21:23.630
kid, if the kid is able to communicate. or the

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parents take on that job and basically it should

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be done, right? With a strong informed consent

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and lawyers watching, right? Because that's what

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we are, we live in America where lawyers are

00:21:36.910 --> 00:21:39.410
watching. So if there's a problem, guess what?

00:21:39.450 --> 00:21:43.569
They're coming after me. So yes, the FDA got

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involved, okay? Yes, they finally approved it,

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but it took six years. You know or five and a

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half five years I've stopped counting and it

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took hundreds of thousands of dollars That we

00:21:55.099 --> 00:21:58.319
had to raise that we had to figure out ways to

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bring the money to bring these this trial and

00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.839
by the way We start because it is a clinical

00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.519
trial because everybody's calling me to treat

00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:09.440
their kid for familial FMT They have donors,

00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:12.779
but unfortunately because now it is a clinical

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trial. We need funding now So it was one thing

00:22:16.140 --> 00:22:21.200
to keep the trial To make it alive. It is another

00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:24.019
thing that we need funding right now to get this

00:22:24.019 --> 00:22:27.240
trial going and Here's where the funding goes

00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:30.579
a CRO clinical research organization that overlooks

00:22:30.579 --> 00:22:36.000
the trial Regulatory person that reminds me that

00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:39.539
we need to file a report every year because I

00:22:39.539 --> 00:22:43.279
got dinged by the FDA When I did my ivermectin

00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:47.069
doxycycline trial because I was wearing all the

00:22:47.069 --> 00:22:49.309
hats. I was the regulatory girl. I was the doctor.

00:22:49.410 --> 00:22:52.410
I was the monitor. I was the coordinator. I did

00:22:52.410 --> 00:22:55.609
it all. And I was the sponsor. I was sponsoring

00:22:55.609 --> 00:22:58.789
that trial. So what happened was I forgot to

00:22:58.789 --> 00:23:01.750
submit a form to the IRB on time and to the FDA

00:23:01.750 --> 00:23:05.289
on time. I got dinged by the FDA. I don't want

00:23:05.289 --> 00:23:08.220
to be dinged again. So that means we need a structure.

00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:11.019
We need a CRO. We need a monitor. We need a coordinator.

00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.400
We need a regulatory person. We need doctors

00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:17.799
that are not Sabine Hazen, doctors that are basically

00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:20.539
overlooking these kids. So these doctors can

00:23:20.539 --> 00:23:23.619
say, yes, Dr. Hazen is right. These kids are

00:23:23.619 --> 00:23:27.000
verbalizing, right? So all that takes money.

00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:29.640
Pediatric neurologists are not cheap. Pediatric

00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:32.119
gastroenterologists are not cheap. So literally,

00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:37.119
we have till December to raise funds autism and

00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:40.579
these kids to put we have the 30 kids and we

00:23:40.579 --> 00:23:43.099
have more than 30 kids we'd love to do more than

00:23:43.099 --> 00:23:47.440
30 kids but in order to do this trial with the

00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:51.220
30 kids and then make it a 1000 kids which we

00:23:51.220 --> 00:23:53.720
have all these lists of people that are waiting

00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:58.420
we need to finish this 30 kids and then we need

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to and for to start the 30 kids we need the funding

00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:05.950
to get Everybody coordinated this is not Rome

00:24:05.950 --> 00:24:08.309
was not built in a day and it wasn't built by

00:24:08.309 --> 00:24:11.690
one person and this is the destruction of the

00:24:11.690 --> 00:24:14.390
microbiome in these kids is the destruction of

00:24:14.390 --> 00:24:18.250
Rome and We need a lot of people we need everyone

00:24:18.250 --> 00:24:21.390
hands on deck, you know I'm speaking to you today

00:24:21.390 --> 00:24:24.930
when I could be you know lounging somewhere because

00:24:24.930 --> 00:24:28.609
it's to awaken people to say hey It's time to

00:24:28.609 --> 00:24:30.630
support Dr. Hazen. You know, I've been at this

00:24:30.630 --> 00:24:34.029
for too long. I've showed the data, two twins

00:24:34.029 --> 00:24:38.269
speaking, verbalizing, their microbiome changing.

00:24:39.029 --> 00:24:41.869
The research won a research award at the American

00:24:41.869 --> 00:24:44.970
College of Gastro, was recognized by the judge

00:24:44.970 --> 00:24:49.730
as proof of concept, right? So this is a gastroenterologist,

00:24:50.049 --> 00:24:53.490
my peer, looked at the data and said, this is,

00:24:53.490 --> 00:24:57.950
you know, proof of concept. It's time to move

00:24:57.950 --> 00:25:01.349
on. It's time to advance the field. And by the

00:25:01.349 --> 00:25:06.150
way, you know, it's not just about feces, right?

00:25:06.430 --> 00:25:08.710
Because here's the thing, the beauty of this

00:25:08.710 --> 00:25:12.730
clinical trial is that it's gonna tell us who

00:25:12.730 --> 00:25:16.490
didn't succeed. I'm gonna pick the best donor

00:25:16.490 --> 00:25:20.670
from the family, and if that donor didn't help,

00:25:21.690 --> 00:25:27.430
we, you know, we look. regain the speech of the

00:25:27.430 --> 00:25:30.650
kid with autism, then we have to ask the questions,

00:25:30.769 --> 00:25:33.349
why did that happen? Did it happen because I

00:25:33.349 --> 00:25:36.650
need to keep implanting? Did it happen because

00:25:36.650 --> 00:25:38.750
the mucosa is damaged, and therefore we need

00:25:38.750 --> 00:25:42.269
to bring another drug to the pipeline to say,

00:25:42.450 --> 00:25:44.970
hey, these kids are not engrafting. I'm giving

00:25:44.970 --> 00:25:48.430
them microbes of their sisters or brothers, and

00:25:48.430 --> 00:25:53.000
it's not sticking. Why is it not sticking? Burning

00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:56.119
it is the mucosa burnt think about again the

00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:59.059
house that demolished after a machete right so

00:25:59.059 --> 00:26:03.000
is the colonic mucosa destroyed and therefore

00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.160
I need to heal the the mucosa first and there

00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:08.799
are great drugs to heal the mucosa for that to

00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:12.240
begin with and Then after I heal the mucosa then

00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.220
engraftment is possible now. Here's another thing

00:26:15.220 --> 00:26:20.440
it may not be a colonic mucosa problem it may

00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:24.019
be that the microbes The brain is so damaged

00:26:24.019 --> 00:26:27.039
that it's triggering the gut to be damaged. So

00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:30.059
I'm fixing the mucosa, but I haven't fixed the

00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:32.880
brain. And then here's another thing. It could

00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:36.539
be at the genetic level, right? Where basically,

00:26:37.180 --> 00:26:40.140
genetically, these kids have a problem. We need

00:26:40.140 --> 00:26:43.519
to fix the genetics. So this is where, you know,

00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:46.099
my goal, and I'm working with two people right

00:26:46.099 --> 00:26:48.839
now that are trying to develop two centers, one

00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:53.230
implantation and one... in Sarasota, where we're

00:26:53.230 --> 00:26:57.670
trying to create a universe, in essence, a center

00:26:57.670 --> 00:27:01.349
for these kids to come in because we need to

00:27:01.349 --> 00:27:04.170
monitor their diet. We need to monitor the environment.

00:27:04.450 --> 00:27:06.890
We need to make sure everything is perfect for

00:27:06.890 --> 00:27:10.089
that clinical. And we need to have coordinators,

00:27:10.630 --> 00:27:13.650
neurologists, everybody to be present to follow

00:27:13.650 --> 00:27:17.710
these kids to see why isn't this kid not working.

00:27:18.109 --> 00:27:21.640
Maybe. I need to hit them with something else.

00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:26.279
And this center would have the ability to treat

00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:30.019
at every level, not just Dr. Sabine Hazen, you

00:27:30.019 --> 00:27:32.839
know, familial fecal transplant, but Dr. Adams,

00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:38.579
you know, pill poop, you know, because he's developing

00:27:38.579 --> 00:27:42.240
his own protocol. Because for those kids that

00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:46.720
do not have a sibling, they need a solution,

00:27:46.779 --> 00:27:49.680
right? They have a microbiome problem. That's

00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.539
where the stool bank comes in. And that's where

00:27:52.539 --> 00:27:56.720
the pharma product comes in. So I'm not here

00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.819
to kill the pharma product just because familial

00:27:59.819 --> 00:28:03.140
FMT might work. I'm here to say, look, there's

00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:06.180
still a need for your product, your pharma product,

00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.400
because guess what? Your pharma product, we're

00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.859
seeing it right now with C. diff. The pharma

00:28:11.859 --> 00:28:14.700
product that is in the market right now that

00:28:14.700 --> 00:28:17.299
they stopped us from doing fecal transplant with.

00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:21.519
is not working for everyone. So guess what? I'm

00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:26.220
back to square one taking my families, my siblings,

00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:32.059
my, you know, my spouses and giving them poop

00:28:32.059 --> 00:28:35.099
because my patient still has C. diff even though

00:28:35.099 --> 00:28:38.700
I gave him the pharma product. So at some point

00:28:38.700 --> 00:28:41.039
we're gonna have to realize that and here's the

00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.359
other thing, not everybody wants stools from

00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.750
a stool bank. We should have the right if I have

00:28:47.750 --> 00:28:51.210
C diff as a patient and I want my daughter's

00:28:51.210 --> 00:28:54.430
poop I should have the right in America because

00:28:54.430 --> 00:28:58.349
we are a free country To choose my daughter's

00:28:58.349 --> 00:29:02.809
poop for my C diff, right? So I think we need

00:29:02.809 --> 00:29:07.069
to be able to allow treatment and stop the censorship

00:29:07.069 --> 00:29:09.970
of treatment because we believe that it stops

00:29:09.970 --> 00:29:12.650
the bottom line and it stops the price of a stock.

00:29:13.509 --> 00:29:17.750
The price of a stock can still go up when you

00:29:17.750 --> 00:29:19.569
have a product that's going to be helping kids

00:29:19.569 --> 00:29:22.170
with autism. But here's the thing, the price

00:29:22.170 --> 00:29:24.970
of the stock is going to be demolished if you

00:29:24.970 --> 00:29:28.750
don't help these moms with kids with autism.

00:29:28.910 --> 00:29:32.829
Because right now, who's driving the force of

00:29:32.910 --> 00:29:37.690
The politics and who's driving the force of humanity

00:29:37.690 --> 00:29:42.809
are moms moms that's that have had enough moms

00:29:42.809 --> 00:29:46.430
who are suffering with kids with autism and or

00:29:46.430 --> 00:29:50.150
kids with diabetes or kids with lupus or morbidly

00:29:50.150 --> 00:29:53.569
obese kids and Had enough and they're saying

00:29:53.569 --> 00:29:57.569
what have you done to our kids? What has been

00:29:57.569 --> 00:30:01.490
going on? We've been listening to you and you've

00:30:01.490 --> 00:30:06.160
made our kids You know, mental health is through

00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:09.940
the roof, right? We have a problem. Our kids

00:30:09.940 --> 00:30:14.339
have a problem. And if we don't stop that right

00:30:14.339 --> 00:30:18.099
now, and I'm speaking as a mom, you know, and

00:30:18.099 --> 00:30:21.319
for millions of moms out there, if we don't stop

00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.779
that, this is the end of humanity. The kids are

00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:27.880
our future. Who's going to take care of us when

00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:31.190
we're ill? when one in 12 and a half kids is

00:30:31.190 --> 00:30:34.130
autistic and needs help themselves. I mean, do

00:30:34.130 --> 00:30:38.210
we even think outside the box? You know? And

00:30:38.210 --> 00:30:41.829
by the way, even billionaire Roe is gonna need

00:30:41.829 --> 00:30:44.450
a good doctor. They're suffering, they have kids

00:30:44.450 --> 00:30:49.369
that are on the spectrum themselves. So we can't

00:30:49.369 --> 00:30:51.970
stop research, we can't interfere with science,

00:30:52.809 --> 00:30:56.049
and we gotta let... the flow of research going

00:30:56.049 --> 00:30:59.190
and unfortunately right now what I see is the

00:30:59.190 --> 00:31:02.529
same you know cookie cutter medicine happening

00:31:02.529 --> 00:31:05.490
you know funds are going to academic centers

00:31:05.490 --> 00:31:09.390
foundations are sponsoring you know are sponsored

00:31:09.390 --> 00:31:13.269
by pharma to recruit patients and therefore they're

00:31:13.269 --> 00:31:16.170
not doing other things you know that are innovative

00:31:16.170 --> 00:31:20.849
uh that needs to stop we need to be able to allow

00:31:20.849 --> 00:31:25.390
every innovation Never know in my work and improve

00:31:25.390 --> 00:31:28.430
and it doesn't mean that it's gonna stop the

00:31:28.430 --> 00:31:30.690
next the price of the stock It doesn't mean that

00:31:30.690 --> 00:31:33.349
it's gonna stop the product from coming to market

00:31:33.349 --> 00:31:36.950
It just means that it needs it gives us one more

00:31:36.950 --> 00:31:41.750
clue to the mystery of life and disease So I

00:31:41.750 --> 00:31:43.750
tend to talk a lot. I'm passionate about this

00:31:43.750 --> 00:31:47.269
as you very good stuff I can't help but notice

00:31:47.269 --> 00:31:51.309
about I can't help but mention the censorship

00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.980
And anytime the medical paradigm says, don't

00:31:54.980 --> 00:31:58.079
take this, then, you know, there's no research

00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.680
behind this. It's very telling. And I can't help

00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:06.359
but mention Andy Wakefield either. Yeah. And

00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:10.359
then poor Andy, poor Andy. I mean, like Dr. Wakefield

00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:14.339
was a warrior, you know, spoke out of honesty

00:32:14.339 --> 00:32:17.079
spoke out of the goodness of his heart to help

00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:20.400
these kids. And he he asked questions. He didn't

00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.720
even say the vaccines cause autism. He just said,

00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:26.599
look, these moms are coming into my office and

00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:30.339
they're saying my kid got the MMR and a day later

00:32:30.339 --> 00:32:33.539
stopped speaking, right? And he just said, moms

00:32:33.539 --> 00:32:36.819
are not crazy. So are we supposed to not listen

00:32:36.819 --> 00:32:38.920
to moms anymore? Are we supposed to not listen

00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.839
to patients? Why are we gaslighting these patients?

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.799
I mean, as a physician, my first... The first

00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:49.640
thing I was taught in medical school is take

00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.799
a history from a patient and develop that relationship

00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.579
with the patient to get that history. We're back

00:32:55.579 --> 00:32:59.559
to the art of medicine. So what happened to Dr.

00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.660
Wakefield was a bunch of egocentric maniacs that

00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:07.400
basically riled up against him and essentially,

00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.299
you know, thought that their way was the only

00:33:10.299 --> 00:33:13.460
way and were not open to something else. The

00:33:13.460 --> 00:33:15.759
beauty of this is the microbiome now is telling

00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:18.440
the story. And it's saying, hey, guess what?

00:33:18.819 --> 00:33:21.359
These kids with autism, they have lost their

00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:25.460
bifidobacteria. And guess what? The studies of

00:33:25.460 --> 00:33:28.559
Dr. Hazen, which won a research award at the

00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:30.619
American College of Gastro, showed that the messenger

00:33:30.619 --> 00:33:34.539
RNA killed the bifidobacteria in patients that

00:33:34.539 --> 00:33:38.599
before and after taking the vaccines. And restoring

00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.579
the bifidobacteria improved the speech of these

00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:45.640
kids. So that doesn't mean all the vaccines cause

00:33:45.769 --> 00:33:48.769
Autism, you know cause kill the Bifidobacteria

00:33:48.769 --> 00:33:51.049
that doesn't mean all the vaccine killed the

00:33:51.049 --> 00:33:54.990
Bifidobacteria in everyone but in a small subset

00:33:54.990 --> 00:33:59.390
of kids Something is happening and we need to

00:33:59.390 --> 00:34:02.650
look at it. And here's why I say this I trained

00:34:02.650 --> 00:34:05.869
at Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami during

00:34:05.869 --> 00:34:11.849
the times of HIV When HIV was you know, we I

00:34:11.849 --> 00:34:14.610
admitted 11 patients with HIV full -blown AIDS

00:34:14.610 --> 00:34:17.030
at Jackson Memorial Hospital every night that

00:34:17.030 --> 00:34:21.650
I was on call And we practice then the art of

00:34:21.650 --> 00:34:24.449
medicine combination drugs How do we get the

00:34:24.449 --> 00:34:27.110
patient out of the hospital as fast as possible?

00:34:27.110 --> 00:34:32.030
He comes in with a pneumonia etc. Okay During

00:34:32.030 --> 00:34:37.119
those times, you know, it was really seeing what

00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.000
was happening, you know how to be a doctor how

00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.800
to practice medicine and You know when you look

00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.159
and it was asking questions, you know, where

00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:49.659
did this come from? Etc They gave me courage

00:34:49.659 --> 00:34:52.599
to practice the art of medicine. But here we

00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:57.360
are now in you know During kovat we were the

00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:01.010
same And the reason I said Jackson Memorial Hospital

00:35:01.010 --> 00:35:04.369
and HIV, the number one rule that we had at Jackson

00:35:04.369 --> 00:35:08.150
Memorial Hospital is never give an MMR to a patient

00:35:08.150 --> 00:35:11.409
that is HIV. Why? Because they're immunosuppressed.

00:35:12.130 --> 00:35:14.510
Now we have a better tool with the microbiome

00:35:14.510 --> 00:35:18.389
to kind of say, is immunosuppression linked to

00:35:18.389 --> 00:35:22.789
the microbiome? I think it is. So are those kids

00:35:23.210 --> 00:35:26.530
Born immunosuppressed and why are we giving them

00:35:26.530 --> 00:35:29.190
an MMR? If they're immunosuppressed if they're

00:35:29.190 --> 00:35:33.469
born, you know with loss of bifidobacteria Is

00:35:33.469 --> 00:35:36.929
that the population that is getting autism? Shouldn't

00:35:36.929 --> 00:35:40.949
we be looking at that? So this is where I want

00:35:40.949 --> 00:35:45.349
us to go I want us to be more I want us to be

00:35:45.349 --> 00:35:48.989
better at delineating the population that can

00:35:48.989 --> 00:35:52.030
tolerate a vaccine can tolerate an antibiotic

00:35:52.030 --> 00:35:54.260
and Because there are times you have to give

00:35:54.260 --> 00:35:55.860
a vaccine and there are times you have to give

00:35:55.860 --> 00:36:00.219
an antibiotic Right in my opinion, you know and

00:36:00.219 --> 00:36:03.079
and I'm still you know with the mantra and the

00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:06.380
training of medicine Where you know, I believe

00:36:06.380 --> 00:36:09.559
in antibiotics and I still unfortunately do believe

00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:13.239
in vaccination Because it is a piece of the microbe

00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.980
that you're giving to create the immunity. Okay?

00:36:17.619 --> 00:36:23.570
unfortunately what I don't believe in is an unnatural

00:36:23.570 --> 00:36:27.210
spike protein given to patients that has never

00:36:27.210 --> 00:36:30.269
been studied that basically and that's why I

00:36:30.269 --> 00:36:33.690
went rogue and I and people are calling me an

00:36:33.690 --> 00:36:35.590
anti -vaxxer I'm not an anti -vaxxer I mean I

00:36:35.590 --> 00:36:38.730
vaccinated all my kids I got vaccinated and then

00:36:38.730 --> 00:36:40.769
some you know I mean I got vaccinated with the

00:36:40.769 --> 00:36:44.230
MMR twice and in fact in residency I got an allergic

00:36:44.230 --> 00:36:46.289
reaction the second time because I was already

00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:49.820
immunized and I already had measles, mumps and

00:36:49.820 --> 00:36:53.619
rubella in Morocco. So why didn't someone check

00:36:53.619 --> 00:36:55.840
my antibodies? You know what I mean? So there

00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:59.820
is a population that we need to be better at

00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:02.780
looking, hey, they're immunized. Why are we giving?

00:37:03.260 --> 00:37:08.099
The question that Dr. Rand Paul said on hepatitis

00:37:08.099 --> 00:37:13.360
B in a day one, in a patient, in a mom that is

00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:17.710
negative, that has negative hepatitis, why are

00:37:17.710 --> 00:37:21.769
we giving that newborn at day one? We don't even

00:37:21.769 --> 00:37:24.809
know what their bifidobacteria is. What if that

00:37:24.809 --> 00:37:29.730
hepatitis B piece of the virus goes into the

00:37:29.730 --> 00:37:33.289
blood, travels the gut, and starts eating out

00:37:33.289 --> 00:37:35.650
the bifidobacteria and creating a bifidophage?

00:37:35.809 --> 00:37:39.030
What if that happens, right? Do we even think

00:37:39.030 --> 00:37:42.170
about, do we think these vaccines stay in the

00:37:42.170 --> 00:37:45.550
arm? No, like they try to make us believe during

00:37:45.550 --> 00:37:47.590
COVID. Oh, it stays in your adulthood. It doesn't

00:37:47.590 --> 00:37:51.150
go anywhere. No, everything travels. Everything

00:37:51.150 --> 00:37:53.389
travels through the nervous system. Everything

00:37:53.389 --> 00:37:56.710
travels through the blood. We have to pay attention

00:37:56.710 --> 00:37:59.590
to the blood and the circulation going to the

00:37:59.590 --> 00:38:04.110
gut. And then in the gut is the waste of everything

00:38:04.110 --> 00:38:06.070
that we've put into our bodies. You know, from

00:38:06.070 --> 00:38:08.929
the cream you put into your face to the injection

00:38:08.929 --> 00:38:11.590
you've put into your arm. All goes to your gut.

00:38:11.750 --> 00:38:14.909
To the stuff you inhaled, all goes to your gut.

00:38:14.989 --> 00:38:19.789
So now what damage is it doing in the gut? Right?

00:38:21.230 --> 00:38:24.309
And so this is where we need to be better at

00:38:24.309 --> 00:38:26.989
focusing on the microbiome. And thank God now

00:38:26.989 --> 00:38:30.929
the FDA and Dr. Marty McCary is doing a great

00:38:30.929 --> 00:38:34.190
job at illustrating the microbiome and speaking

00:38:34.190 --> 00:38:37.550
on the microbiome because frankly it needs and

00:38:37.550 --> 00:38:40.260
realizing that There's only a few scientists

00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:43.820
at NIH that know anything about the microbiome.

00:38:44.219 --> 00:38:47.360
And I would even challenge those two scientists

00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:51.420
to ask them, what is Blatia? Is Blatia a good

00:38:51.420 --> 00:38:55.320
bug or a bad bug? You know? What's your bacterium?

00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:58.500
Is that a good microbe or a bad microbe? So until

00:38:58.500 --> 00:39:01.599
you start, here's how you understand the microbiome.

00:39:01.980 --> 00:39:05.380
You have to attain a cure. Then you go back like

00:39:05.380 --> 00:39:07.460
don't think about those two kids with autism

00:39:07.460 --> 00:39:12.079
right the two twins I discovered two three microbes

00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.320
that were Possibly the culprit of their autism

00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:17.239
now that doesn't mean it's a culprit of autism

00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:20.099
for everyone But I discovered the culprit in

00:39:20.099 --> 00:39:23.599
those two twins now when we treated them after

00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:27.219
treatment we improved their speech and They're

00:39:27.219 --> 00:39:31.039
reading every single books those microbes disappeared

00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:34.019
Then the good bacteria reappeared because guess

00:39:34.019 --> 00:39:37.559
what you got rid of the bad bug How did I see

00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.380
that it's the art of medicine right kill the

00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:43.739
bugs restore the good microbes right by knowing

00:39:43.739 --> 00:39:48.440
what I know about the microbiome so imagine if

00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:53.059
you now how did I get there by being ballsy and

00:39:53.059 --> 00:39:55.260
Saying you know what I'm gonna try this and I'm

00:39:55.260 --> 00:39:57.239
gonna try that and I'm gonna try this formula

00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:01.349
and that The mom is respecting me and and I had

00:40:01.349 --> 00:40:04.070
an informed consent with the kids and I didn't

00:40:04.070 --> 00:40:06.969
go crazy I just used certain things that I knew

00:40:06.969 --> 00:40:10.429
would kill one bug and would improve another

00:40:10.429 --> 00:40:14.150
and And then speech we occurred in these kids,

00:40:14.150 --> 00:40:17.769
right? But here's the thing so to understand

00:40:17.769 --> 00:40:20.369
now we can go back and say proof of concept improve

00:40:20.369 --> 00:40:23.690
the bifidobacteria speech restores killed those

00:40:23.690 --> 00:40:27.719
microbes Bifidobacteria goes up, speech restores,

00:40:27.780 --> 00:40:32.699
right? Now we can go back and say, okay, well,

00:40:32.820 --> 00:40:36.440
how do we do this in more kids? How do we continue

00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:39.780
this art, this vision, right? This manipulation

00:40:39.780 --> 00:40:44.699
of the microbiome. So, you know, science is always

00:40:44.699 --> 00:40:47.179
kind of catching up, right? So people are listening

00:40:47.179 --> 00:40:50.119
to my data. You know, when I was during COVID,

00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:53.179
when I spoke out on COVID is in the stools, you

00:40:53.179 --> 00:40:55.760
know, others listened. And then pretty soon we

00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:57.800
were looking at the septic tanks and pretty soon

00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.500
gastroenterologists started looking at the mucosa

00:41:00.500 --> 00:41:03.099
of patients with COVID. They started looking

00:41:03.099 --> 00:41:05.980
at spike protein. They started looking at, you

00:41:05.980 --> 00:41:08.019
know, COVID in the stools. And there were a lot

00:41:08.019 --> 00:41:10.619
of data that showed that COVID remained in the

00:41:10.619 --> 00:41:14.960
stools for a long time. So science caught up

00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:18.340
to now we can say with certainty, yeah, of course

00:41:18.340 --> 00:41:20.639
COVID was in the stools. Yes, COVID is in the

00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:24.659
stools. But what we don't know is how long does

00:41:24.659 --> 00:41:27.820
it last in the stools in that individual? How

00:41:27.820 --> 00:41:31.340
do we get rid of it in the stools when you find

00:41:31.340 --> 00:41:35.539
it? Are long COVID patients caused because they

00:41:35.539 --> 00:41:37.300
still have COVID in the stools? I can tell you

00:41:37.300 --> 00:41:39.639
I have a patient that has had COVID in her stools

00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:43.119
for about a year and a half. And I had to get

00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:46.400
rid of COVID first before starting to regrow

00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.460
the microbiome. Because think about it. It's

00:41:48.460 --> 00:41:52.210
like you've got ticks. You're not tigs, but you've

00:41:52.210 --> 00:41:56.449
got scabies. Until you get rid of every little

00:41:56.449 --> 00:41:58.849
bug on your skin, it doesn't matter that you

00:41:58.849 --> 00:42:01.250
put lotions to remove the rash. You've got to

00:42:01.250 --> 00:42:04.670
get rid of the bug. You've got lice in your hair.

00:42:04.949 --> 00:42:06.929
You've got to get rid of every single little

00:42:06.929 --> 00:42:09.570
egg before you can start putting conditioner

00:42:09.570 --> 00:42:13.650
in your hair, right? But everybody is on to long

00:42:13.650 --> 00:42:18.289
COVID, and they're all looking at, well, at least

00:42:18.289 --> 00:42:20.449
they're admitting what I've been saying from

00:42:20.449 --> 00:42:22.670
day one, which is it's a microbiome dysbiosis,

00:42:23.010 --> 00:42:26.230
right? Long COVID we showed is loss of bifidobacteria

00:42:26.230 --> 00:42:30.590
to begin with, and vaccine injury is loss of

00:42:30.590 --> 00:42:33.150
bifidobacteria to begin with. So science will

00:42:33.150 --> 00:42:36.909
catch up and will realize. And when I talk about

00:42:36.909 --> 00:42:39.829
a disappearing microbiome, and then there's a

00:42:39.829 --> 00:42:46.750
study in LA that basically shows that 25 % of

00:42:46.750 --> 00:42:51.139
kids born have adequate bifidobacteria, you know,

00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:53.980
this is validating, again, what I've been saying,

00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:56.159
that we need to pay attention to the loss of

00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.460
bifidobacteria in kids. And maybe, just maybe,

00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:05.519
the loss of bifidobacteria is the trigger that

00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:08.460
starts autism. Maybe, I mean, I could be wrong,

00:43:08.539 --> 00:43:10.900
right? I mean, this is all hypothetical work,

00:43:10.900 --> 00:43:14.159
and I'm the first one to say it's all, I wrote

00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:17.510
the book, let's talk SH .T. I could be full of

00:43:17.510 --> 00:43:20.130
it, or I could know it. But at the end of it,

00:43:20.269 --> 00:43:22.789
guess what? I'm ready to talk about it. And I'm

00:43:22.789 --> 00:43:27.690
ready to talk about it with the people that are

00:43:27.690 --> 00:43:31.050
so pushing one narrative. Yeah, yeah, that's

00:43:31.050 --> 00:43:34.929
a bad thing. And that's the problem, right? Why

00:43:34.929 --> 00:43:40.630
didn't anybody... I've done hundreds of clinical

00:43:40.630 --> 00:43:44.829
trials for pharma. I'm equipped to kind of discuss

00:43:44.829 --> 00:43:47.690
research. I've done all these trials, you know,

00:43:47.809 --> 00:43:51.590
if I'm such a good doctor that I can bring drugs

00:43:51.590 --> 00:43:54.329
to market for pharma, you know, I brought the

00:43:54.329 --> 00:43:57.349
first postpartum depression drug to market, right?

00:43:58.309 --> 00:44:02.030
I worked on numerous drugs, you know, for Amgen,

00:44:02.329 --> 00:44:04.809
cholesterol pills, Pfizer, you know, cholesterol

00:44:04.809 --> 00:44:08.789
trials, Merck, I mean, C. diff, galore, psoriasis.

00:44:09.130 --> 00:44:13.849
So if I'm so... good in a way that drugs are

00:44:13.849 --> 00:44:16.329
going out and I've never had a problem with the

00:44:16.329 --> 00:44:19.690
FDA because we're a clean site doing good research

00:44:19.690 --> 00:44:22.269
and we bring in the right patients for the right

00:44:22.269 --> 00:44:26.690
study and our data is clean, great. Then why

00:44:26.690 --> 00:44:29.570
aren't you listening to me when I'm showcasing

00:44:29.570 --> 00:44:33.730
the microbiome and knowing what I know, having

00:44:33.730 --> 00:44:36.789
done hundreds of clinical trials for pharma,

00:44:37.369 --> 00:44:42.179
knowing all the intricacies of clinical trials,

00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.940
knowing what drug combination worked for Crohn's.

00:44:45.940 --> 00:44:49.440
I did a study for Red Ale Biopharma where we

00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.659
gave a combination therapy for what we believed

00:44:52.659 --> 00:44:57.679
was mycobacteria perituberculosis in these patients

00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:02.219
as the cause of their Crohn's. And I saw this

00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:04.679
trial. I saw some people improving and I saw

00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:10.179
some people not improving. I've been very privileged

00:45:10.179 --> 00:45:13.360
in my life that I've seen a lot of things in

00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.719
clinical trials, that I've read a lot of investigators'

00:45:17.059 --> 00:45:20.480
brochures to know all the combination that are

00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:28.460
used for treatment of cancer, for treatment of

00:45:28.460 --> 00:45:35.190
C. diff, for treatment of... cholesterol, Crohn's

00:45:35.190 --> 00:45:37.630
disease, ulcerative colitis, you know, I mean,

00:45:38.090 --> 00:45:41.489
I've done a lot of psoriasis, I've done a lot

00:45:41.489 --> 00:45:44.789
of clinical trials to see the direction that

00:45:44.789 --> 00:45:46.710
pharma is going. You know, there was a time,

00:45:47.230 --> 00:45:49.510
everything was antibiotics for everything, right?

00:45:49.670 --> 00:45:52.710
We went for antibiotic for an infection and then

00:45:52.710 --> 00:45:55.349
it became antibiotics for acne, antibiotics for

00:45:55.349 --> 00:45:59.630
psoriasis. And then the era of biologics, biologics

00:45:59.630 --> 00:46:01.849
for Crohn's, biologics for all sort of colitis,

00:46:02.110 --> 00:46:07.849
biologics for psoriasis. So I see the progression.

00:46:07.949 --> 00:46:11.449
And now I know we're in the feces business, because

00:46:11.449 --> 00:46:16.849
the first company that has a capsule of poop

00:46:16.849 --> 00:46:20.369
is out there. So now everybody in pharma is going

00:46:20.369 --> 00:46:23.769
to start developing. And I saw it. I saw it before

00:46:23.769 --> 00:46:26.650
COVID. That's probably why I went rogue in a

00:46:26.650 --> 00:46:29.309
way because I was seeing on my desk, you know,

00:46:29.489 --> 00:46:33.610
clinical trials of China, Korea, poop from China

00:46:33.610 --> 00:46:36.789
for C. diff, poop from Korea for C. diff. And

00:46:36.789 --> 00:46:38.389
I'm like, wow, we're in the poop business and

00:46:38.389 --> 00:46:40.710
we have no idea what we're doing. And there's

00:46:40.710 --> 00:46:43.369
like trillions of microbes out there. And to

00:46:43.369 --> 00:46:47.059
me, that was a way of globalizing too. And in

00:46:47.059 --> 00:46:49.219
my mind, I was like, why would the poop from

00:46:49.219 --> 00:46:51.780
China be good for America? We have completely

00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:55.340
different diets. Why would the poop from Venezuela

00:46:55.340 --> 00:46:59.039
be good for Americans? Different diets. Why would

00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.860
the poop from Mexico be good for, and I'll give

00:47:01.860 --> 00:47:03.539
you a better example, why would the poop from

00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:06.739
the Amazon jungle be good for Americans? When

00:47:06.739 --> 00:47:09.719
the Amazon jungle is the original microbiome,

00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:12.460
people have... You know, a sterile person that

00:47:12.460 --> 00:47:15.679
goes from New York to the Amazon jungle cannot

00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:17.579
survive the Amazon jungle. They'll come back

00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:20.539
with diarrhea, vomiting, et cetera, because they're

00:47:20.539 --> 00:47:22.260
sterile. They've been sterile. They've never

00:47:22.260 --> 00:47:25.320
seen these microbes. So are you going to seriously

00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:29.519
give a microbiome of the Amazon jungle to a kid

00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:33.780
that's living in New York? Absolutely not. So

00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:37.739
this is but unfortunately. This is where people

00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:39.820
start thinking, oh, I'm going to make money from

00:47:39.820 --> 00:47:42.460
poop. And it's the gold rush. And I'm going to

00:47:42.460 --> 00:47:45.480
start storing stools from the Amazon and the

00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.300
Amish and all that. And it's going to work. No,

00:47:48.340 --> 00:47:50.559
it's not going to work. So save your money. Save

00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:54.760
your space. Save your time. Don't do it. Preserve.

00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.219
We need to preserve the microbiome of every region.

00:47:57.380 --> 00:48:03.019
That's it. Something that's worth highlighting

00:48:03.019 --> 00:48:04.920
is that mother's instinct that you mentioned

00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:09.300
earlier. Because so many autism moms, my mom's

00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:11.900
even, I think some of them are calling themselves

00:48:11.900 --> 00:48:15.019
or their instinct is so good. And they're they're

00:48:15.019 --> 00:48:16.780
always right. They always know what's right for

00:48:16.780 --> 00:48:20.199
the kid. But also, having the sticking with the

00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.639
treatment because you mentioned Luke O 'Vourne.

00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:26.059
Luke O 'Vourne takes time. Yes. Yes. Richard

00:48:26.059 --> 00:48:30.960
Fry was on in the spring before HHS, but mentioned

00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:33.920
it. And it just takes time and people bail out.

00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.119
And I love Richard. Richard's brilliant. Yeah,

00:48:37.460 --> 00:48:42.139
he's brilliant. So, you know, absolutely, it

00:48:42.139 --> 00:48:45.519
takes time and evaluations need to be done, right?

00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:48.699
Kids need to follow up with their doctor to test

00:48:48.699 --> 00:48:52.280
a car's testing, an A -TECH score, to measure,

00:48:52.980 --> 00:48:56.539
to have markers that can guide the doctor to

00:48:56.539 --> 00:48:58.900
say, yeah, your kid is improving, not just mom

00:48:58.900 --> 00:49:01.719
saying, my kid's not improving or my kid's improving.

00:49:02.380 --> 00:49:06.300
So, there needs to be a follow up, right? So,

00:49:07.179 --> 00:49:09.820
and, and Leucovorin may be for a percentage of

00:49:09.820 --> 00:49:12.139
patients, but it may not be for all patients,

00:49:12.139 --> 00:49:14.039
because obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be busy.

00:49:14.260 --> 00:49:17.159
I see, you know, Dr. R refers patients to me.

00:49:17.539 --> 00:49:20.699
So it's not a one pill solution, but hey, Leucovorin

00:49:20.699 --> 00:49:25.480
is a safe enough drug or pill that basically

00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:28.199
is, because I don't really consider it a drug.

00:49:29.099 --> 00:49:32.760
It's a safe enough pill that you could say, hey,

00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.360
Let's try it. And by the way, nutrition also

00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.760
is safe enough that you could say, hey, let me

00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:42.480
try nutrition on my kid. Let me educate myself

00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:46.880
on the microbiome. And let's see if that can

00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:51.639
help my kid. So there are first steps that moms

00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:54.380
can do. And yes, you're right. Mom's instinct

00:49:54.380 --> 00:49:57.599
is impeccable. And moms are there to protect

00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.780
their kids. They see the danger before the kid

00:50:00.780 --> 00:50:03.750
sees the danger. That's why the mom you know

00:50:03.750 --> 00:50:06.050
when you have a mom like holding a kid from like

00:50:06.050 --> 00:50:08.210
playing or eating something because they know

00:50:08.210 --> 00:50:11.150
What's gonna happen to their kids? It's that

00:50:11.150 --> 00:50:15.090
umbilical cord is not really cut so I think we

00:50:15.090 --> 00:50:17.469
need to start listening to moms more and we need

00:50:17.469 --> 00:50:20.090
to start trusting moms and we need to pay attention

00:50:20.090 --> 00:50:23.630
to what they're doing and There I would not be

00:50:23.630 --> 00:50:26.539
here speaking on the two cases of the twins,

00:50:27.059 --> 00:50:29.699
if it wasn't for the mom, that was really vigilant

00:50:29.699 --> 00:50:31.579
with paying attention to her kids, because I

00:50:31.579 --> 00:50:34.719
wasn't there every day. And she saw something

00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:36.960
from day one. And she said, doctor, he said,

00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:41.219
you don't understand. I see them. I feel them

00:50:41.219 --> 00:50:43.099
that they're speaking. I feel them that it's

00:50:43.099 --> 00:50:48.239
coming. And I said, OK, I mean, you know, you're

00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:50.980
the one, you know, the mom flew in from Tennessee

00:50:50.980 --> 00:50:54.480
to see me with the two kids, you know, so. started

00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:57.199
taking care of her and the two twins because

00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:00.280
of that relationship that I had with her that

00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.639
I knew she was gonna give me good data you know

00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.519
she was gonna be compliant she was gonna do the

00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:08.659
testing she was gonna do and she was amazing

00:51:08.659 --> 00:51:11.199
she gave me the testing she did the cars the

00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:14.579
ATEX scores she did the the stool testing on

00:51:14.579 --> 00:51:18.000
time when we needed it that's the kind of relationship

00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:21.340
that I want because Listen, it's great that I'm

00:51:21.340 --> 00:51:24.059
helping a kid with autism, but more importantly

00:51:24.059 --> 00:51:29.420
My job is to help the community understand autism

00:51:29.420 --> 00:51:34.179
better And my job is to write the data The problem

00:51:34.179 --> 00:51:36.559
is when we are you when there's interference

00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.320
and even the write -ups of the papers when my

00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:42.340
papers are being retracted for no good reason

00:51:42.340 --> 00:51:46.460
completely harassment, I mean The journal did

00:51:46.460 --> 00:51:49.619
a peer review on four of my papers, approved

00:51:49.619 --> 00:51:54.179
it by my peers, okay? A bunch of investors and

00:51:54.179 --> 00:51:58.920
PhDs are criticizing it on a website called PubPeer,

00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:03.440
and basically, they go to the journal, and now

00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:07.599
they have, they are better than the peer reviewers

00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:12.219
that are my peers? And their voice is heard better

00:52:12.219 --> 00:52:15.400
than the peer reviewers that are my peers? I

00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:17.559
mean, there's a problem. We have a problem. That's

00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:21.480
like a plumber coming to criticize my colonoscopy

00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:26.960
skills. Just because the plumber deals with poop

00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:30.440
does not make him a gastroenterologist to criticize

00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:34.019
my colonoscopy skills, right? This is what we're

00:52:34.019 --> 00:52:36.500
dealing with here. We are dealing with a bunch

00:52:36.500 --> 00:52:39.800
of scientists and investors that have an incentive

00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:43.119
in the stock market and trying to, you know...

00:52:43.210 --> 00:52:47.630
mess up the stock price for others that are coming

00:52:47.630 --> 00:52:53.650
in and censoring the data and harassing the journals.

00:52:54.809 --> 00:52:59.349
And that's a problem. And they're all anonymous,

00:53:00.050 --> 00:53:03.349
so you don't even know who they are. If I have

00:53:03.349 --> 00:53:05.590
a person that's going to criticize my paper,

00:53:06.269 --> 00:53:09.590
say it to my face. When I criticize a paper,

00:53:10.050 --> 00:53:12.929
I say it to the physician's face. And guess what?

00:53:13.030 --> 00:53:14.730
The majority of times, the physicians are like,

00:53:14.750 --> 00:53:19.369
yeah, you're right. But these criticisms of,

00:53:19.710 --> 00:53:22.710
hey, we're retracting a hypothesis because of

00:53:22.710 --> 00:53:27.710
the fact that you quoted people whose work was

00:53:27.710 --> 00:53:30.809
retracted after my paper was published. They

00:53:30.809 --> 00:53:33.050
were retracted after my paper was published.

00:53:33.530 --> 00:53:38.610
So that's not OK. retract a hypothesis, okay?

00:53:39.090 --> 00:53:43.030
So, you know, it just, it was ridiculous, the

00:53:43.030 --> 00:53:47.130
comments, and there was nothing wrong with these

00:53:47.130 --> 00:53:51.809
four papers that were retracted. And I'm not

00:53:51.809 --> 00:53:55.030
an academician. I'm not perfect. I shouldn't

00:53:55.030 --> 00:53:57.750
even be writing my data. The fact that I wrote

00:53:57.750 --> 00:54:01.949
my data to showcase my work to the world, okay?

00:54:02.409 --> 00:54:04.769
Guess what? It was on my money. Nobody paid me.

00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:07.400
I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on these

00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:09.639
publications and this research. You don't want

00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:12.860
to look at it? Hey, no problem. But guess what

00:54:12.860 --> 00:54:14.880
it did? You know what it did? It put me on stage

00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:18.800
because you're now talking to me. And those papers

00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:23.400
that are retracted are read most than the papers

00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:27.340
that are not retracted. Because the public is

00:54:27.340 --> 00:54:32.190
aware now. Because of what happened to dr. Wakefield.

00:54:32.190 --> 00:54:35.650
We're back to dr. Wakefield. That's exactly the

00:54:35.650 --> 00:54:39.769
cookie -cutter You know formula that they used

00:54:39.769 --> 00:54:45.030
for dr. Wakefield control the narrative Wakefield

00:54:45.030 --> 00:54:48.190
was an academician. He was top of the game. He

00:54:48.190 --> 00:54:54.389
was used as a he was used as kind of like the

00:54:54.389 --> 00:54:58.039
picture of Hey, don't defy pharma. Look what's

00:54:58.039 --> 00:54:59.760
going to happen to you. We're going to retract

00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:02.380
your papers. We're going to retract, you know,

00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:04.380
your name. You're not going to work for an academic

00:55:04.380 --> 00:55:08.000
center anymore. Here's the problem with me. I'm

00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:10.840
not Dr. Wakefield. I'm a girl with a chip on

00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:13.900
her shoulder. I'm the girl that was told you

00:55:13.900 --> 00:55:17.420
can't be a doctor. You can't be a gastroenterologist.

00:55:17.699 --> 00:55:20.679
You can't be a mom and a GI doctor. You can't

00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:24.300
look at the microbiome. And every time someone

00:55:24.300 --> 00:55:28.440
says to me, you can't, they turn me into a hurricane.

00:55:29.139 --> 00:55:33.079
And that's it, because I'm a woman and I'm a

00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:38.639
Leo, so hear me roar. And if I'm that person,

00:55:39.099 --> 00:55:43.659
there are a million women just like me. And in

00:55:43.659 --> 00:55:47.809
a way, You know, it's it's it's hard to hear

00:55:47.809 --> 00:55:50.710
from a woman, right? but ultimately we are the

00:55:50.710 --> 00:55:53.530
mothers of humanity and we are birthing these

00:55:53.530 --> 00:55:57.750
kids and We have to have a voice and this is

00:55:57.750 --> 00:56:01.630
my voice Speaking out on the microbiome speaking

00:56:01.630 --> 00:56:05.309
out for our children Representing millions of

00:56:05.309 --> 00:56:07.989
moms out there. We're tired of being divided

00:56:07.989 --> 00:56:10.690
as the mom who works and the mom who doesn't

00:56:10.690 --> 00:56:14.369
work We're together on this. Okay Because we're

00:56:14.369 --> 00:56:18.210
together with our kids. We realize it's a challenge

00:56:18.210 --> 00:56:22.329
to do it all. And for a woman like me to be on

00:56:22.329 --> 00:56:24.829
the front line, there were sacrifices that were

00:56:24.829 --> 00:56:32.670
made. That I wasn't there for my kids. So it's

00:56:32.670 --> 00:56:36.030
a problem. that but I'm there because I realized

00:56:36.030 --> 00:56:39.630
that if I'm not speaking as a scientist, as a

00:56:39.630 --> 00:56:42.409
gastroenterologist, as a clinical trial doctor,

00:56:42.849 --> 00:56:45.809
as a woman who was on the front line of COVID,

00:56:46.210 --> 00:56:48.809
as a woman who is treating kids with autism,

00:56:49.389 --> 00:56:53.190
who is going to speak? We saw who spoke during

00:56:53.190 --> 00:56:59.530
the pandemic. Very few, very few. Very few women

00:56:59.530 --> 00:57:02.210
spoke during the pandemic or were put on stage,

00:57:02.210 --> 00:57:06.090
by the way. Yeah, Mary Talley Bowden, maybe is

00:57:06.090 --> 00:57:08.929
a good one. Yeah, Mary. Yeah, very few. Molly.

00:57:09.670 --> 00:57:11.590
Yeah. Do you have time for some questions or

00:57:11.590 --> 00:57:14.690
do you have to go? Go ahead. Okay. Well, I'm

00:57:14.690 --> 00:57:19.969
interested whenever you said that 25 % with the

00:57:19.969 --> 00:57:24.909
bifidobacteria, is that after or at what point

00:57:24.909 --> 00:57:29.369
can they? I don't know because I didn't do that

00:57:29.369 --> 00:57:33.619
study. Okay. So is Is getting the Bifidobacteria

00:57:33.619 --> 00:57:36.820
checked something that you would recommend? And

00:57:36.820 --> 00:57:39.519
how does that happen? The problem is that the

00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.699
majority of tests out there are not validated.

00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:45.719
So they're just not validated. So in other words,

00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:48.260
you test with a lab and it tells you you have

00:57:48.260 --> 00:57:50.980
zero Bifidobacteria. Can you really trust it?

00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:54.840
Did they go deep enough to look at that? So parents

00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:58.619
can test with us under a research protocol. We

00:57:58.619 --> 00:58:01.519
test a lot of babies. We love babies' poop to

00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:04.340
just get more data. But unfortunately, it is

00:58:04.340 --> 00:58:07.860
expensive because of the fact that, you know,

00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:10.820
it is deep sequencing. It's whole genome. In

00:58:10.820 --> 00:58:13.460
other words, we see every single microbe and

00:58:13.460 --> 00:58:17.039
it's deep. The foundation pays for a portion.

00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:19.440
The microbiome research foundation pays for a

00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:22.260
portion of those tool testing. We also put people

00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:27.000
that cannot afford it on a... So whenever we

00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:29.980
have a study or whenever we get funding, we get

00:58:29.980 --> 00:58:33.500
grants. This is before Christmas, so I encourage

00:58:33.500 --> 00:58:35.719
everyone to donate to the Microbiome Research

00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:38.159
Foundation. This is how we advance research on

00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:41.639
the microbiome. And essentially what we do is

00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:44.780
when we get a grant, we start looking at our

00:58:44.780 --> 00:58:48.179
database and say, okay, let's approve 100 kids

00:58:48.179 --> 00:58:52.099
to be tested for free. And I'll usually put it

00:58:52.099 --> 00:58:56.409
on Twitter, on X. Sorry, and I'll basically say

00:58:56.409 --> 00:58:59.829
looking for 25 diabetic kids. That's because

00:58:59.829 --> 00:59:03.250
we got a grant to test 25 kids with diabetes

00:59:03.250 --> 00:59:06.909
or looking to test Manuka honey, which we did

00:59:06.909 --> 00:59:09.989
a study. So we're looking for patients. We, by

00:59:09.989 --> 00:59:12.349
the way, right now we have an amazing study,

00:59:12.389 --> 00:59:15.150
which actually I'm very proud to say I was part

00:59:15.150 --> 00:59:17.630
of this. This was a drug that actually increased

00:59:17.630 --> 00:59:22.139
the Bifida bacteria that we discovered. But we

00:59:22.139 --> 00:59:24.460
need to see more. We just discovered it in one

00:59:24.460 --> 00:59:31.119
patient with ALS. And so the drug was actually

00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:34.860
approved for pancreatic cancer. And this is a

00:59:34.860 --> 00:59:37.909
great product. that is working on the microbiome

00:59:37.909 --> 00:59:40.369
and working on the immunity of these patients.

00:59:40.969 --> 00:59:43.670
We're looking to recruit for those studies at

00:59:43.670 --> 00:59:46.869
some point. So I'm still working with people

00:59:46.869 --> 00:59:50.510
that have innovative products that are righteous,

00:59:50.670 --> 00:59:53.949
that want to see the data coming out. I'm still

00:59:53.949 --> 00:59:57.300
doing clinical trials. for companies and for

00:59:57.300 --> 00:59:59.300
pharmaceutical companies, because I'm not there

00:59:59.300 --> 01:00:02.780
to destroy pharmaceutical companies, okay? I'm

01:00:02.780 --> 01:00:04.659
there to, listen, if you have an innovation,

01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:08.739
I understand more than anyone that research is

01:00:08.739 --> 01:00:11.800
expensive. And so, you know, drugs are expensive

01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:14.360
because they have to pay off the research, right?

01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:19.320
But ultimately, we also have to give Opportunity

01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.739
for drugs that are over the counter to see the

01:00:22.739 --> 01:00:25.780
light for those people that cannot afford to

01:00:25.780 --> 01:00:29.400
wait For the drugs to come to market. So, you

01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:32.239
know, these are this is how I do research You

01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:35.420
know, I'm I'm always looking at new innovations.

01:00:35.420 --> 01:00:39.559
I'm always looking at what's best out there and

01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:42.280
now I'm looking at all these protocols with the

01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:45.880
eyes of what's good out there, but what would

01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:48.139
not hurt the microbiome. So when I'm looking

01:00:48.139 --> 01:00:52.579
at a drug that I'm gonna take on as a clinical

01:00:52.579 --> 01:00:57.679
trial doctor and as a site or CRO, it has to

01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:00.179
be a drug that I feel like would not hurt the

01:01:00.179 --> 01:01:04.780
microbiome. So that's what I'm working on. Are

01:01:04.780 --> 01:01:10.559
there alternative lab tests or any kind of? Test

01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:13.079
well there it's coming. It's coming, but I think

01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:16.199
we have to before we make a claim Unfortunately,

01:01:16.219 --> 01:01:18.880
there aren't you know standards set up right?

01:01:19.059 --> 01:01:23.719
There's you know steps that you have to you know

01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:26.179
Standard operating procedures that you have to

01:01:26.179 --> 01:01:30.980
kind of follow right when before you say a Test

01:01:30.980 --> 01:01:34.039
this is the test for autism of course my goal

01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:36.579
is to bring this technology that I've developed

01:01:36.579 --> 01:01:41.059
to the market as a consumer product But in order

01:01:41.059 --> 01:01:45.639
to do that, it needs regulatory. It needs somebody

01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:48.860
to have discussions with the FDA. It needs another

01:01:48.860 --> 01:01:52.719
CRO, not me, because now I cannot be the CRO

01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.519
that's doing the research and talking to the

01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:59.280
FDA and be the sponsor. It's kind of like biased.

01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:02.400
I want other people to kind of say, yeah, you

01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:04.500
know what? This test that Dr. Hazen developed

01:02:04.500 --> 01:02:07.380
has a purpose, and it could be a consumer product,

01:02:07.380 --> 01:02:10.760
or it could be a lab. developed test. We are

01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:14.820
a CAP and CLIA lab. But before we develop a lab

01:02:14.820 --> 01:02:17.500
developed test, we need to, you know, I have

01:02:17.500 --> 01:02:22.320
a very, very harsh, very, very, not harsh, but

01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:27.360
very strong minded pathologist who basically

01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:29.940
And I have a team. I have a team of scientists,

01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:32.420
and I have a team of pathologists that keep me

01:02:32.420 --> 01:02:35.579
legit, where if I say, well, I want to bring

01:02:35.579 --> 01:02:37.360
out this test, they're like, no, you haven't

01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:41.639
done A, B, C, D. And so they keep me on my toes.

01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:43.940
And that's a good thing, because you don't want

01:02:43.940 --> 01:02:47.420
to have a test. We all saw what happened with

01:02:47.420 --> 01:02:51.679
uBiome. The test came out. Doctors were using

01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:53.559
it. They were billing Medicare. And then there

01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.099
was a double billing and triple billing of that

01:02:56.099 --> 01:03:01.059
test with no validation from the medical community,

01:03:01.380 --> 01:03:04.519
right? In other words, we have to get the doctors

01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:08.179
on board with this to say, yeah, there's a need

01:03:08.179 --> 01:03:11.239
for this test, right? And yeah, this test is

01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:13.500
useful. Kind of like when we started hepatitis

01:03:13.500 --> 01:03:17.539
C, looking at hepatitis C, there was a genome,

01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:21.199
a genotype of hepatitis C. that told us the patient

01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:23.280
has hepatitis C in the blood, but then there

01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:27.420
was also a quantitative hepatitis C test that

01:03:27.420 --> 01:03:31.099
said, yes, there's a quantitative hepatitis C

01:03:31.099 --> 01:03:35.940
test. So those are the tests that basically need

01:03:35.940 --> 01:03:41.679
to come out for autism, but before that comes

01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:45.699
out, I need to convince the authorities, I need

01:03:45.699 --> 01:03:47.820
to convince the FDA that there's a purpose for

01:03:47.820 --> 01:03:50.900
this. I need to convince the doctors that there's

01:03:50.900 --> 01:03:53.880
a purpose for it because right now this is as

01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:57.179
beautiful as this is and as hopeful as this is,

01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:01.420
light at the end of the tunnel, it is still years

01:04:01.420 --> 01:04:05.639
away because we have to do the right thing. And

01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:08.139
luckily we have a government right now that is

01:04:08.139 --> 01:04:11.329
a little bit. better at expediting. And we have

01:04:11.329 --> 01:04:14.690
the Maha movement that is on this, that wants

01:04:14.690 --> 01:04:17.989
to see success, that wants to see cures. So I

01:04:17.989 --> 01:04:22.449
think we're better positioned to bring on the

01:04:22.449 --> 01:04:28.889
technology and bring on all that. But there's

01:04:28.889 --> 01:04:31.530
a lot of work that needs to be done. So for parents,

01:04:32.070 --> 01:04:36.230
I would say join our clinical trials for autism.

01:04:36.849 --> 01:04:41.590
And if at least put your name on the list, so

01:04:41.590 --> 01:04:44.329
ginger at progenobiome .com is who basically

01:04:44.329 --> 01:04:48.750
gets the names, contact her, put your name on

01:04:48.750 --> 01:04:51.409
the list, and we will call you when we do get

01:04:51.409 --> 01:04:56.789
funds. I'm working really hard to get funds for

01:04:56.789 --> 01:05:01.380
all this. So this is a big undertaking. Right?

01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:04.420
One in 12 and a half kids with autism in California,

01:05:04.659 --> 01:05:07.000
boys in California with autism. This is a big

01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:09.639
undertaking. And this is an undertaking that's

01:05:09.639 --> 01:05:12.900
not here to just light up the problem of autism,

01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.000
you know, like all the foundations and everything.

01:05:15.260 --> 01:05:21.400
But it is here to try to push the treatment path,

01:05:21.659 --> 01:05:24.739
to try to push the cure path, because that's

01:05:24.739 --> 01:05:27.550
what we need. But before we say a cure, we need

01:05:27.550 --> 01:05:30.349
to have agencies and other doctors validate all

01:05:30.349 --> 01:05:32.429
that and say, yes, doctor, he's in this right

01:05:32.429 --> 01:05:36.250
or wrong. Okay. I put all that information in

01:05:36.250 --> 01:05:40.110
the show notes too. And thank you. Yeah, definitely.

01:05:41.269 --> 01:05:43.909
So I have a kind of a random question because

01:05:43.909 --> 01:05:48.090
I'm a big fan of Dr. Jack Cruz, the neurosurgeon

01:05:48.090 --> 01:05:51.989
and quantum physicist. I heard him and you on

01:05:51.989 --> 01:05:55.329
Alexa's podcast and You talked about maybe doing

01:05:55.329 --> 01:06:00.610
bifidobacteria and red light. Yes, yes. We started

01:06:00.610 --> 01:06:04.550
with a couple samples, nothing we can discuss.

01:06:09.489 --> 01:06:14.070
Jonathan Otto actually sponsored us a big red

01:06:14.070 --> 01:06:19.269
light panel, so I'm excited about that. I have

01:06:19.269 --> 01:06:22.760
to get together with Jack. If you know anything

01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:25.559
about Dr. Cruz, he's very hard to get hold of.

01:06:26.179 --> 01:06:29.099
You almost have to fly where he is, right? And

01:06:29.099 --> 01:06:35.380
so, and yes, so I, you know, he's a brilliant

01:06:35.380 --> 01:06:39.849
physician. I'm not so sure I agree with his controversial

01:06:39.849 --> 01:06:41.949
and getting involved in the politics. I try not

01:06:41.949 --> 01:06:45.329
to blame anyone for anything. Actually, I blame

01:06:45.329 --> 01:06:49.309
the microbiome. I try not to look at people as

01:06:49.309 --> 01:06:51.829
my enemies. I just try to look at them as, hey,

01:06:51.829 --> 01:06:53.789
they're missing microbes. Even the people, by

01:06:53.789 --> 01:06:55.809
the way, even the people that retracted my papers,

01:06:56.409 --> 01:06:58.710
I don't look at them as enemies. I look at them

01:06:58.710 --> 01:07:03.670
as, okay, upset about the fact that their company

01:07:03.670 --> 01:07:07.880
went under, upset about the fact that they Probably

01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:11.340
wanted a probably have a lack of microbes, but

01:07:11.340 --> 01:07:15.019
I also look at them as It's a shame because these

01:07:15.019 --> 01:07:18.760
people are actually very intelligent So I just

01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:21.860
wish they would cut instead of using their intelligence

01:07:21.860 --> 01:07:25.440
on Destruction I would I wish they would use

01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:29.099
their intelligence on construction right instead

01:07:29.099 --> 01:07:33.440
of looking at the problem of the paper and Retracting

01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:35.880
the paper, which is a waste of time and energy

01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:40.920
for everybody Put your energy into looking at

01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:44.440
the microbiome with me and give me the negative

01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:47.460
that I'm not seeing because I'm seeing it with

01:07:47.460 --> 01:07:50.699
one set of eyes. I would love to have the person

01:07:50.699 --> 01:07:55.280
that is, you know, retracting my papers come

01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:59.320
to the come to the lab and say, no, you forgot

01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:01.980
to look at that because I know that she's going

01:08:01.980 --> 01:08:04.420
to eventually bust me on not looking at that.

01:08:04.429 --> 01:08:08.530
So why bust me stop the busting and let's work

01:08:08.530 --> 01:08:11.409
together so we can both look at it And you know

01:08:11.409 --> 01:08:14.530
we're both women so we can both look at it together

01:08:14.530 --> 01:08:17.909
with the eyes of Scientists instead of looking

01:08:17.909 --> 01:08:21.470
at it with oh my god I'm gonna retract her papers

01:08:21.470 --> 01:08:24.069
because she's trying to do something that I should

01:08:24.069 --> 01:08:27.029
have been doing you know There's no point that

01:08:27.029 --> 01:08:30.109
there's enough business in reconstruction and

01:08:30.109 --> 01:08:34.180
in construction then in demolition, okay? That

01:08:34.180 --> 01:08:37.060
we've demolished enough. It's time to build and

01:08:37.060 --> 01:08:39.180
there's business for everyone, you know when

01:08:39.180 --> 01:08:41.439
a gastroenterologist calls me and he says to

01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:44.460
me Where do you do this procedure? How do you

01:08:44.460 --> 01:08:48.859
do it? I help them not because I need to compete

01:08:48.859 --> 01:08:50.880
with them But because I want them to shine so

01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:53.359
they can help their patients You know, I created

01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:57.260
the biome squad to educate doctors on the microbiome

01:08:57.260 --> 01:08:59.619
I could have just kept all this to myself and

01:08:59.619 --> 01:09:02.260
just started the hazen centers around the world

01:09:03.310 --> 01:09:06.489
But no, I want other doctors to shine. I want

01:09:06.489 --> 01:09:09.189
them to go on stage to talk about what I'm talking

01:09:09.189 --> 01:09:12.350
about. That's that's the biggest, you know, mission,

01:09:12.350 --> 01:09:15.510
in my opinion. It's not like I said, Rome wasn't

01:09:15.510 --> 01:09:19.109
built in one day and by one person. It needs

01:09:19.109 --> 01:09:21.949
thousands of doctors. You know, we there was

01:09:21.949 --> 01:09:24.449
a health care revolution that was created during

01:09:24.449 --> 01:09:27.949
Covid. I didn't take Sabine Hazen or Peter McCalla

01:09:27.949 --> 01:09:31.430
or Robert Malone or, you know, Pierre Corey or.

01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:35.460
Jessica Rose, Kevin McKernan, you know, it took

01:09:35.460 --> 01:09:40.359
everyone to support each other, right? We all

01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:44.020
came together. And, you know, Jack says things

01:09:44.020 --> 01:09:48.060
that I don't agree with, Dr. Cruz, and I say

01:09:48.060 --> 01:09:50.399
things that he doesn't agree with, but we could

01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:53.239
still come together to do an experiment, right?

01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:57.640
And so I think that's how we need to come. The

01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:02.050
autism is the uniter of the world. And right

01:10:02.050 --> 01:10:04.670
now research is the uniter. COVID should have

01:10:04.670 --> 01:10:07.350
been the uniter of the world, but unfortunately

01:10:07.350 --> 01:10:11.510
COVID was not. So now autism should be what unites

01:10:11.510 --> 01:10:14.609
the world. You know, kids have autism in Saudi

01:10:14.609 --> 01:10:17.029
Arabia. I talked to a family from Saudi Arabia

01:10:17.029 --> 01:10:20.010
the other day with a kid with autism. You know,

01:10:20.310 --> 01:10:25.489
kids in Egypt have autism. Kids in Japan have

01:10:25.489 --> 01:10:29.149
autism. Kids in America have autism. This is

01:10:29.149 --> 01:10:34.109
not a one place population one race one gender

01:10:34.109 --> 01:10:37.890
problem boys and girls have autism you know and

01:10:37.890 --> 01:10:41.649
it's not a religion issue either muslim catholic

01:10:41.649 --> 01:10:45.590
jews have kids with autism so we need to come

01:10:45.590 --> 01:10:48.510
together because guess what the microbiome of

01:10:48.510 --> 01:10:52.310
you might of these kids needs to be looked at

01:10:52.310 --> 01:10:58.029
to see what is different in kid in china versus

01:10:58.029 --> 01:11:01.170
kid in America that's Chinese that is autistic.

01:11:01.729 --> 01:11:06.289
What is different in kid in China that's autistic

01:11:06.289 --> 01:11:09.989
or similar in the kid in China that has autism

01:11:09.989 --> 01:11:13.569
to the kid in America, okay? Different microbes

01:11:13.569 --> 01:11:17.289
in China. You know, Bifidobacteria is a microbe

01:11:17.289 --> 01:11:20.710
that's very prevalent in America and that's our

01:11:20.710 --> 01:11:24.029
great microbe, right? But it's not necessarily

01:11:24.029 --> 01:11:27.289
the microbe that you need to have in the Amazon

01:11:27.289 --> 01:11:30.890
jungle or in the Amish population or in the Chinese

01:11:30.890 --> 01:11:34.109
So therefore that's why we need to start looking

01:11:34.109 --> 01:11:37.369
at the world and humanity and looking at it with

01:11:37.369 --> 01:11:42.649
eyes of discovery and not eyes of We need to

01:11:42.649 --> 01:11:45.229
make a buck on this. Okay, and that's that's

01:11:45.229 --> 01:11:48.050
hard to do. You know, there's very few people

01:11:48.050 --> 01:11:53.800
that will look at a project and say, I'm not

01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:55.779
planning to make money on this. I'm planning

01:11:55.779 --> 01:11:59.020
to push the narrative. I'm planning to push the

01:11:59.020 --> 01:12:02.319
funding. I've not made a penny since I started

01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:08.079
because of the fact that I'm constantly reinvesting

01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:10.779
in the research. I'm constantly re -evaluating

01:12:10.779 --> 01:12:15.380
myself, re -looking at it. And the other thing

01:12:15.380 --> 01:12:19.960
is this is a huge undertaking. This is thousands

01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:22.880
of kids that need to be treated, millions probably.

01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:26.479
This is looking not only at autism, but Alzheimer's,

01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:28.920
the same formula we did with autism. We want

01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:32.000
to reproduce with Alzheimer's, Parkinson's. Are

01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:36.720
there signature microbes in GIST tumors? You

01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:38.779
know, the other day I had a patient with GIST

01:12:38.779 --> 01:12:41.260
tumors and she said to me, how come you started

01:12:41.260 --> 01:12:43.039
looking at GIST tumors? I said, because I had

01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:47.050
a couple patients with GIST tumors. That needs

01:12:47.050 --> 01:12:50.210
funding in itself to see a thousand stool samples

01:12:50.210 --> 01:12:54.050
of gist tumors, you know? So I think, you know,

01:12:54.170 --> 01:12:57.489
at the end of the day, I embarked on this. Somebody

01:12:57.489 --> 01:13:00.069
offered me a hundred and ninety six million dollars

01:13:00.069 --> 01:13:02.670
for progenitor biome, and I didn't take it because

01:13:02.670 --> 01:13:06.510
this is bigger than money. This is understanding.

01:13:07.090 --> 01:13:09.949
This helped me understanding how to survive covid.

01:13:10.189 --> 01:13:14.390
This helped me understand. How to possibly live

01:13:14.390 --> 01:13:17.229
longer that doesn't mean I'm right okay? That

01:13:17.229 --> 01:13:20.970
does not mean I'm right, but this is an opening

01:13:20.970 --> 01:13:24.909
a light that I need to follow and of course I'm

01:13:24.909 --> 01:13:26.930
going to follow it because what does it matter

01:13:26.930 --> 01:13:30.369
at the end of the day if I'm dead in a year?

01:13:31.130 --> 01:13:33.890
You know and I didn't look at this so you know

01:13:33.890 --> 01:13:36.630
hopefully I'm not dead in a year to you know

01:13:36.630 --> 01:13:40.590
understand and to continue this path Uh, but

01:13:40.590 --> 01:13:43.010
that's what it takes. It takes righteous people

01:13:43.010 --> 01:13:47.449
that are basically, you know, not there all about

01:13:47.449 --> 01:13:49.670
the money. The money will come. I always believe

01:13:49.670 --> 01:13:51.869
that if you do things the right way, money comes.

01:13:53.149 --> 01:13:56.390
Yeah. Uh, one thing that I do love about, uh,

01:13:56.449 --> 01:13:59.149
uncle Jack, Jack Cruz is he always says incentives

01:13:59.149 --> 01:14:02.630
dictate outcomes. And it's like, from what like

01:14:02.630 --> 01:14:05.609
you described, it's like, um, centralized medicine

01:14:05.609 --> 01:14:08.560
has become profits over humanity. But like doctors

01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:11.479
like you take the oath serious. And that's why

01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:14.520
I tell you how I took my oath serious. I did.

01:14:14.619 --> 01:14:17.420
I was the patent of hydroxychloroquine Z pack

01:14:17.420 --> 01:14:19.399
vitamin C, D and zinc. And most people don't

01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:23.239
realize was my patent. OK, it was an idea that

01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:25.180
I got from Didier Raoul because he looked at

01:14:25.180 --> 01:14:31.239
hydroxy Z pack and and and and zinc. But what

01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:33.899
happened to me was more I saw that it killed

01:14:33.899 --> 01:14:38.239
the virus in the stools. Initially in a couple

01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:40.560
patients and I was like, I wonder if that's the

01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:42.439
answer and then what I did in them I was trying

01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:49.699
to name it I put H a Azithromycin Z zinc H a

01:14:49.699 --> 01:14:51.859
Z was the first three letters of my last name

01:14:51.859 --> 01:14:54.680
and I said wow God is sending me a sign right

01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:57.760
because I'm a huge believer of God and so when

01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:01.760
I so I named the patent Hayes D pack Someone

01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:03.920
offered me ten million dollars for that patent

01:15:04.109 --> 01:15:06.810
And I said, no, I need to see the data clearly

01:15:06.810 --> 01:15:08.710
and I need to make sure that it doesn't kill

01:15:08.710 --> 01:15:11.930
the microbiome. And guess what? It did kill the

01:15:11.930 --> 01:15:15.289
microbiome. OK, so it wasn't the solution. It

01:15:15.289 --> 01:15:19.050
was the solution for some. Right. And in a way,

01:15:19.069 --> 01:15:21.130
it's kind of funny because interference and research

01:15:21.130 --> 01:15:24.529
happened, but it happened in a way that was a

01:15:24.529 --> 01:15:28.319
good thing because that. Combination should not

01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:31.300
have been given to everybody. It was a combination

01:15:31.300 --> 01:15:34.159
That's only the people that have zero bifidobacteria

01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:38.260
have to you know, and it's in the severe population

01:15:38.260 --> 01:15:42.899
That's who really benefited from that drug. Okay

01:15:42.899 --> 01:15:46.340
drug combination But here's a perfect example.

01:15:46.340 --> 01:15:48.539
I didn't bring it to market. I could have like

01:15:48.539 --> 01:15:51.119
pushed it I could have like brought in but I

01:15:51.119 --> 01:15:53.779
didn't bring it to market because I felt This

01:15:53.779 --> 01:15:57.930
is not the right answer now ivermectin doxycycline

01:15:57.930 --> 01:16:01.029
you know we did the protocol we did the you know

01:16:01.029 --> 01:16:03.489
there was again interference in research but

01:16:03.489 --> 01:16:08.750
again was not for everybody so you know i kind

01:16:08.750 --> 01:16:11.710
of like stepped back you know during the pandemic

01:16:11.710 --> 01:16:15.390
and dr borodi took on who passed away he took

01:16:15.390 --> 01:16:19.829
on the ivermectin doxycycline zinc protocol and

01:16:19.829 --> 01:16:22.170
i didn't want to have anything to do with it

01:16:22.170 --> 01:16:25.050
because i felt like i'm not so sure it's the

01:16:25.050 --> 01:16:30.239
right thing to give. Now, if we make it certain

01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:33.140
parameters, that it's the right thing for certain

01:16:33.140 --> 01:16:36.420
people, possibly, but then that takes a lot of

01:16:36.420 --> 01:16:39.359
work, I felt that those drugs needed to be left

01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:42.920
more for the art of medicine. So, you know, this

01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:46.300
is where knowing, you know, and I felt that really

01:16:46.300 --> 01:16:51.319
my job and my role is not to bring out for COVID

01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:54.840
was not to bring out a drug. combination, but

01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:58.380
really to illustrate the microbiome. And I think,

01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:03.520
if anything, this is my role in all this. You

01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:05.840
know, in full transparency, would I love to see

01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:08.300
a stool test in the future being developed by

01:17:08.300 --> 01:17:11.600
progenitor biome? Sure. But, you know, I just

01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:15.180
don't feel that right now we're there. And I'm

01:17:15.180 --> 01:17:18.760
being very honest with it. I just feel that Right

01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:21.739
now there's so much to learn and the reason that

01:17:21.739 --> 01:17:24.420
I don't feel we're there is because Let's say

01:17:24.420 --> 01:17:26.800
I send you a stool test. Okay, you do a stool

01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:30.460
test and I tell you you have a bacteria called

01:17:30.460 --> 01:17:33.260
blot here and you have a lot of that bacteria

01:17:33.260 --> 01:17:36.260
You're gonna freak out and you're gonna say oh

01:17:36.260 --> 01:17:38.039
my god. I need to kill this bacteria I'm gonna

01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:40.140
do ozone therapy. I'm gonna do Ibu. I'm gonna

01:17:40.140 --> 01:17:42.859
do all these things to kill that bacteria But

01:17:42.859 --> 01:17:45.560
guess what that bacteria was good for you. It's

01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:48.300
what was Helping you survive that doesn't mean

01:17:48.300 --> 01:17:50.340
that bacteria is a good bug or a bad bug. I'm

01:17:50.340 --> 01:17:52.800
just giving an example I should have called it

01:17:52.800 --> 01:17:55.100
bacteria X because people just like take whatever

01:17:55.100 --> 01:17:58.899
I say and kind of like destroy it so basically

01:17:58.899 --> 01:18:02.600
Let's say you have bacteria X and you I'm giving

01:18:02.600 --> 01:18:04.720
you a report that says you have 30 % of that

01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:08.079
bacteria You're gonna freak out and you're basically

01:18:08.079 --> 01:18:10.979
gonna say oh my god. I need to kill it, right?

01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:16.470
So that's why as I have to be responsible in,

01:18:17.270 --> 01:18:20.729
until we understand better the microbiome, I

01:18:20.729 --> 01:18:24.890
have to be responsible. And you heard Dr. Marty

01:18:24.890 --> 01:18:29.670
McCarrie yesterday, or in a video, he said, you

01:18:29.670 --> 01:18:33.029
know, a few people at the NIH are dealing with

01:18:33.029 --> 01:18:35.710
the microbiome. And I can assure you those few

01:18:35.710 --> 01:18:38.989
people have no idea what's going on in the clinical,

01:18:39.149 --> 01:18:44.939
because the NIH is, you know, still needs Doctors

01:18:44.939 --> 01:18:47.979
on the front line that are innovating treatment,

01:18:47.979 --> 01:18:51.239
right and that are courageous enough to use treatment

01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:55.399
so it takes courage to practice medicine and

01:18:55.399 --> 01:19:00.119
especially in 2025 approaching 2026 It's gonna

01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:02.359
take a lot more courage. You know, we're entering

01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:07.180
a world of AI Where AI can be your doctor? We're

01:19:07.180 --> 01:19:11.300
entering a world where they're gonna try to Censor

01:19:11.300 --> 01:19:14.420
as many papers that doesn't fit their narrative

01:19:14.420 --> 01:19:17.159
We're entering a world where the price of the

01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:19.979
stock matters more than the price of a life And

01:19:19.979 --> 01:19:22.319
these are the fights and these are the battles.

01:19:22.539 --> 01:19:30.800
So my only My only Hope in a way is that I realize

01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:33.840
and what I see are the people that are driving

01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:36.739
the forces that are driving the price of the

01:19:36.739 --> 01:19:41.829
stock You know are becoming patients and those

01:19:41.829 --> 01:19:44.949
patients at some point will stop the interference

01:19:44.949 --> 01:19:47.630
of research because that's what it takes. So,

01:19:47.729 --> 01:19:50.689
because we're all gonna be patients. You know,

01:19:50.689 --> 01:19:52.909
you said to me, you know, it's doctors like you.

01:19:53.210 --> 01:19:56.050
I had no choice. I was on the front line of COVID.

01:19:56.430 --> 01:19:59.710
What was I gonna do? You know, sell a product

01:19:59.710 --> 01:20:03.449
that was gonna kill my microbiome? No. You know,

01:20:03.670 --> 01:20:06.090
then what am I doing? I'm killing everybody's

01:20:06.090 --> 01:20:09.500
microbiome? Then, you know, Who's gonna be my

01:20:09.500 --> 01:20:11.279
secretary? Who's gonna be my nurse? Who's gonna

01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:13.960
be my coordinator? You know, a world without

01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:18.300
humans is just, with one human or one race is

01:20:18.300 --> 01:20:22.060
just not a world, okay? We need the diversity

01:20:22.060 --> 01:20:26.159
of races. around the world to create humanity.

01:20:26.739 --> 01:20:29.600
Think about what the Italians bring to the picture.

01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:31.960
Think about what people from Mexico bring to

01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:34.359
the picture. What people from India bring to

01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:38.100
the picture. China, Japan, we're all beautiful

01:20:38.100 --> 01:20:41.739
in our ability to do something because we all

01:20:41.739 --> 01:20:44.819
have different microbes that are bringing on

01:20:44.819 --> 01:20:47.760
to the puzzle of humanity. let's figure out the

01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:51.119
puzzle of humanity instead of continuing of the

01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:53.180
wars that are killing the planet and killing

01:20:53.180 --> 01:20:56.479
the humanity and you know you can keep fighting

01:20:56.479 --> 01:20:58.739
but guess what at some point you're going to

01:20:58.739 --> 01:21:02.020
be left as the sole human and then pretty much

01:21:02.020 --> 01:21:08.039
dead so you know uh hopefully the world will

01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:11.640
shape up and come together and i hope so for

01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:15.819
the sake of our kids and for the sake of humanity

01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:21.000
The microbiome of humans is disappearing. Before

01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:23.859
COVID, the majority of patients I was seeing

01:21:23.859 --> 01:21:28.359
had six phyla. Now I see a lot of patients with

01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:30.539
two phyla, groups of microbes that share one

01:21:30.539 --> 01:21:34.220
thing in common. Bifidobacteria, out of 1 ,000

01:21:34.220 --> 01:21:37.840
samples, less than 5 % have bifidobacteria. And

01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:41.720
1 out of 1 ,000 has lactococcus, lactobacillus.

01:21:42.699 --> 01:21:45.359
Good luck absorbing sugar and calcium when you

01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:47.659
don't have those microbes. Good luck getting

01:21:47.659 --> 01:21:49.739
out of bed when you don't have those microbes,

01:21:49.739 --> 01:21:53.520
you know? So, you know, microbes are helping

01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:57.300
us absorb sugar into our cells to make our mitochondria

01:21:57.300 --> 01:22:00.239
work. The reason these kids are now verbalizing

01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:02.699
and when you restore the bifidobacteria is because

01:22:02.699 --> 01:22:06.220
now they're absorbing the sugar to go into the

01:22:06.220 --> 01:22:08.880
cells to make the cells work, and now the brain

01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:11.260
is functioning, the machine's working, you know?

01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:15.399
So you cut the microbe that helps absorb that

01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:20.319
sugar. You kill it completely, which is what

01:22:20.319 --> 01:22:23.239
we're seeing. This is why my mission is save

01:22:23.239 --> 01:22:27.539
the BIF. You kill that microbe. Good luck to

01:22:27.539 --> 01:22:31.300
humanity. Okay, and this is not a dress rehearsal.

01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:39.460
This is not a drama stage or a PR movement. This

01:22:39.460 --> 01:22:43.909
is reality check. Okay, reality check is we have

01:22:43.909 --> 01:22:47.850
a lot of diseases cancer is going up Parkinson's

01:22:47.850 --> 01:22:53.430
Alzheimer's autism Wake up humanity wake up wake

01:22:53.430 --> 01:22:57.609
up politicians wake up Because you may be on

01:22:57.609 --> 01:23:00.930
your high throne right now But that high throne

01:23:00.930 --> 01:23:04.449
is gonna come really down when you develop Parkinson's

01:23:04.449 --> 01:23:07.710
or Alzheimer's And now you want a good donor

01:23:07.710 --> 01:23:13.260
and they don't they just don't exist Okay, the

01:23:13.260 --> 01:23:15.560
art of war, they just want to the art of war

01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:17.539
is like, they just want to rule, they don't care

01:23:17.539 --> 01:23:19.619
who they're rolling over, they just want to rule

01:23:19.619 --> 01:23:23.319
humanity. Well, the art of war actually, also

01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:27.939
quotes the, you know, for for businessmen to

01:23:27.939 --> 01:23:30.659
be like surgeons, you know, I read that book,

01:23:30.659 --> 01:23:34.100
by the way. And it says, you know, as a businessman,

01:23:34.260 --> 01:23:36.420
you got to be like a surgeon, a surgeon goes

01:23:36.420 --> 01:23:39.810
into a room with a thick face and a black heart

01:23:39.810 --> 01:23:42.710
and he opens the heart and he fixes the kid's

01:23:42.710 --> 01:23:45.510
heart and he doesn't and he doesn't say oh my

01:23:45.510 --> 01:23:48.550
god that poor little heart you know i can't open

01:23:48.550 --> 01:23:52.810
it he goes in as a warrior so guess what i read

01:23:52.810 --> 01:23:56.649
the book i know the i know how to play the game

01:23:56.649 --> 01:24:00.220
so It's time to play the game for humanity now.

01:24:00.220 --> 01:24:02.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because the art of war is turning

01:24:02.779 --> 01:24:05.779
against and it's a woman who does a colonoscopy

01:24:05.779 --> 01:24:07.800
for living and plays with shit that's dealing

01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:12.000
with this. So, you know, and, you know, if they

01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:15.819
want. We got to understand life, we got to understand

01:24:15.819 --> 01:24:17.760
disease because we're all going to be patients

01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:22.039
and I don't know why God chose me for this, probably

01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:25.359
because I have a chip on my shoulder, but I intend

01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:29.079
to continue this. and this train is moving and

01:24:29.079 --> 01:24:31.899
it takes on people people can come people can

01:24:31.899 --> 01:24:36.579
leave it's still moving and you can mock me you

01:24:36.579 --> 01:24:40.520
can retract my papers it's still moving yeah

01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:44.159
i don't care just tell you why and make fun of

01:24:44.159 --> 01:24:48.119
me i don't care your my brand is let's talk shit

01:24:48.119 --> 01:24:52.300
talk shit about me go for it it sells books so

01:24:52.300 --> 01:24:56.800
this is who i am take it or leave it It's a good

01:24:56.800 --> 01:25:01.560
spot to end on, Dr. Hazen, I think. Thank you.

01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:04.279
And thank you for speaking to me. Yeah, I just

01:25:04.279 --> 01:25:11.000
admire how much work you do. Yesterday, I felt

01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:15.739
like I was in a washing machine. And I felt like

01:25:15.739 --> 01:25:17.840
I was taken out of that washing machine and I

01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:22.390
was like this... You know piece of clothing that

01:25:22.390 --> 01:25:25.130
was just stretched in every direction and I just

01:25:25.130 --> 01:25:27.970
you know, I crumbled but you know, we keep going

01:25:27.970 --> 01:25:33.090
and you know God help me and yeah, and that's

01:25:33.090 --> 01:25:35.449
it. That's all we can you know, I think if anything,

01:25:35.770 --> 01:25:39.569
you know, there's The big thing for me the big

01:25:39.569 --> 01:25:41.390
light at the end of the tunnel is that there

01:25:41.390 --> 01:25:45.289
is a God and I don't believe that We die necessarily.

01:25:45.289 --> 01:25:48.090
I think we just you know microbes live on the

01:25:48.090 --> 01:25:52.439
body Is decomposed by microbes in our guts and

01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:54.859
so those microbes are still alive You know they

01:25:54.859 --> 01:25:57.079
go back into the earth and they keep going back

01:25:57.079 --> 01:25:59.020
and they come and they come back. You know and

01:25:59.020 --> 01:26:03.520
they do their thing so you know Epigen I believe

01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:06.100
in the whole world of epigenetics. I believe

01:26:06.100 --> 01:26:12.859
in you know in I think There is bigger than this

01:26:12.859 --> 01:26:16.840
reservoir of microbes that we are there is bigger.

01:26:16.939 --> 01:26:19.979
When you see a patient that's bipolar and you

01:26:19.979 --> 01:26:21.640
change their microbiome and they're no longer

01:26:21.640 --> 01:26:25.279
bipolar, personality changes with the microbiome.

01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:28.739
When you see anxiety, depression, et cetera,

01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:34.119
change, personality changes, right? So this is

01:26:34.119 --> 01:26:36.899
who we are, you know? When you see a kid with

01:26:36.899 --> 01:26:39.220
autism who doesn't verbalize and now all of a

01:26:39.220 --> 01:26:42.460
sudden verbalizes after all I did was put in

01:26:42.460 --> 01:26:46.380
a bunch of microbes, you have to be looking at

01:26:46.380 --> 01:26:48.880
the microbiome what's invisible and say, wow,

01:26:49.039 --> 01:26:53.000
this is amazing. We're just a reservoir for these

01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:59.800
microbes. And how amazing is the power of a divine

01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:03.960
power that basically created all of us to be

01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:06.579
different in our microbiome and all of us to

01:27:06.579 --> 01:27:09.039
be different in our fingerprints. How amazing

01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:14.039
is that? It's bigger than us. you know to the

01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:17.399
man that believes he knows it all well show me

01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:21.000
how you can live forever because until then you

01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:27.920
don't know shit that's that's it and truly amazing

01:27:27.920 --> 01:27:32.800
you don't know it so yeah yeah yeah so that's

01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:36.000
it so thank you so much have a great day yeah

01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:38.939
thank you let me know where it's on and keep

01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:42.239
Let me keep us updated somehow on the red light

01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:44.300
and Bifidobacteria because I love red light.

01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:47.640
Of course, I will. It's a big problem. We're

01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:49.539
not getting the full spectrum light anymore.

01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:52.140
That's a big problem. That's a big problem. And

01:27:52.140 --> 01:27:55.420
we're getting other lights. Yes. Yeah, I swayed

01:27:55.420 --> 01:27:57.720
the blue light especially. Yes, absolutely. Yeah,

01:27:57.819 --> 01:28:00.199
the blue light I think is a big problem. Oh,

01:28:00.300 --> 01:28:05.500
yeah. So and I think that's... And the idea of

01:28:05.500 --> 01:28:09.899
sun on your belly, that's brilliant and I do

01:28:09.899 --> 01:28:14.300
that myself and I think that's amazing. I listened

01:28:14.300 --> 01:28:17.600
to Dr. Cruz early on during the pandemic and

01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:20.279
that's how I became a fan of his and that we

01:28:20.279 --> 01:28:24.979
connected. I think he's brilliant and he just

01:28:24.979 --> 01:28:28.079
sees what others don't see. Kind of like me,

01:28:28.100 --> 01:28:34.539
I see the microbiome. He said to me, if you listen

01:28:34.539 --> 01:28:45.600
to the podcast, he said, the microbiome is basically

01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:50.960
the projector. In other words, microbes are secreting

01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:53.819
light. They're showing, but we're not seeing

01:28:53.819 --> 01:28:58.880
the screen. He's he's right. I mean, there's

01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:01.460
so much we don't know, you know, are these microbes,

01:29:01.859 --> 01:29:04.180
you know secreting lights Are they absorbing

01:29:04.180 --> 01:29:07.039
light and then doing their own thing with the

01:29:07.039 --> 01:29:10.880
light, right? Is that why the abdomen you know,

01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:13.140
you have to put the sunlight on the abdomen.

01:29:13.300 --> 01:29:17.779
Are we refueling? You know, I was watching Superman

01:29:17.779 --> 01:29:21.640
the other day the new movie and Remember, I don't

01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:23.939
know if you saw it, but there was a scene where

01:29:23.939 --> 01:29:28.800
he basically is completely destroyed. And they

01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:32.680
put him on a bed, and then they put sunlight

01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:34.859
on his belly. And then all of a sudden, like

01:29:34.859 --> 01:29:37.779
he started restoring it. It was like, huge, powerful

01:29:37.779 --> 01:29:40.460
sunlight. And it was right on his belly. And

01:29:40.460 --> 01:29:42.659
I'm like, wow, they must be listening to Jack

01:29:42.659 --> 01:29:47.100
Kruse. Because that is like, that was such a

01:29:47.100 --> 01:29:49.640
classic. You know, because a lot of these movies,

01:29:49.779 --> 01:29:53.939
it's kind of funny because, you know, I saw a

01:29:53.939 --> 01:29:56.380
Seinfeld episode one time and it was actually

01:29:56.380 --> 01:30:02.159
a case of mine that, you know, that was basically

01:30:02.159 --> 01:30:05.060
presented on Seinfeld. So it's kind of funny.

01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:10.479
And then when you see, you know, comics and et

01:30:10.479 --> 01:30:12.699
cetera, talking about fecal transplant, you know,

01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:16.119
South Park doing the episode of fecal transplant,

01:30:16.380 --> 01:30:18.460
you know, you kind of say, wow, it's, you know,

01:30:18.539 --> 01:30:22.439
it's kind of fun to see that. Hollywood uses

01:30:22.439 --> 01:30:25.600
some of the scientific stuff that is out there

01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:28.680
that we've done, playing with poop. Now Neil

01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:31.220
Stolman, who got me into this fecal business

01:30:31.220 --> 01:30:36.600
by making me do fecal transplant early on on

01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:39.020
a patient that had C. diff and failed a clinical

01:30:39.020 --> 01:30:42.159
trial, he basically, he quotes that South Park

01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:44.779
episode and then he quotes the ER episode. He

01:30:44.779 --> 01:30:47.560
goes, wow, we became famous when ER started doing

01:30:47.560 --> 01:30:51.779
fecal transplant. And so he does, for those who

01:30:51.779 --> 01:30:54.720
are interested in Dr. Stolman, he does a great

01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:58.739
microbiome 101. It's on the microbiomeresearchfoundation

01:30:58.739 --> 01:31:03.350
.org. We have videos, so there is a video that

01:31:03.350 --> 01:31:06.909
he did of Microbiome 101, so I encourage people

01:31:06.909 --> 01:31:09.189
to listen to it. It's great. There's also a lot

01:31:09.189 --> 01:31:12.369
of other videos out there of, you know, physicians

01:31:12.369 --> 01:31:15.670
that have been on the front line of fecal transplant

01:31:15.670 --> 01:31:18.729
and, you know, Scott Jackson, who worked at National

01:31:18.729 --> 01:31:20.710
Institute of Standard, who basically, you know,

01:31:20.750 --> 01:31:23.050
his job was validating the microbiome testing,

01:31:23.569 --> 01:31:26.810
has a couple of podcasts, a couple of videos

01:31:26.810 --> 01:31:31.430
in there, you know, so. Support the foundation

01:31:31.430 --> 01:31:35.369
and go educate yourselves on the videos. That's

01:31:35.369 --> 01:31:35.649
it