My guest today is Tristan Scott. Tristan has
a bachelor's and a master's degree in electrical
engineering. He's an author and former college
athlete. During his athletic career, Tristan
suffered many injuries that led him down rabbit
holes to natural and holistic healing practices.
He has deeply researched the connection between
electromagnetism and human biology with a specific
interest in how man -made electromagnetic fields
could be negatively impacting human health. Currently,
he is head of operations, hardware, and marketing
at Daylight Computer Company. He is now applying
that knowledge at Daylight Computer, whose mission
as a company is to create technology that is
healthier and more synergetic with humanity.
Daylight Computer Company, in my opinion, puts
human health over anything else. Now, my conversation
with Tristan Scott. Hey, Ryan. Hey, Tristan.
How are you? I'm good, man. How are you? Not
bad. I'm jealous of you. Your environment, the
things that you always post is like, man, he's
got it right. I'm trying my best. If I wasn't
working for Daylight, I would just be out here.
Wandering around all day would be nice But it's
like if you have to stare at a screen all day
for something as important as daylight might
as well be out in the wilderness if you can so
it's it's cool the star the starlink solar panels
work really well, I'm like It's kind of crazy
That's good news that way you can stay out there
Amazing. Yeah, let's do it. I think it's great
timing I think I mentioned the DMS or I don't
know but we're launching our initiative next
week called daylight kids and it's gonna be highly
targeted to parents for children and Yeah, it's
where as you could guess where we could have
the biggest impact. So Would love to get into
that obviously ASD children is a big one for
that the neurodivergent kids as well Need it
more than anyone really so Do you just want to
start with a little bit of background about yourself
and the path into your passion for natural and
holistic health and confirm or correct if I use
the word natural and holistic correctly there?
Yeah, for sure. Well, I'm very fortunate, I would
say, because I did not grow up with a standard
American upbringing. My mom is from Austria,
so I very much grew up with a family that was
hiking, camping, eating dinners, home -cooked
meals all the time. Never had chips, soda in
the house, never really went out to eat, spent
summers in Austria, so the quality of living
there is so much higher than a standard American
lifestyle, so very fortunate in that regard.
And always, because of that, had a deep appreciation
for the outdoors, for nature, and also just movement.
I played a lot of sports. And I ended up playing
soccer in college. And that led me to having
one too many concussions. So that's kind of how
I got down the rabbit hole of health optimization.
So as a, no. Normal teenager and young adult
in college, kind of the lifestyle went off the
rails in terms of sleep, you know, partying and
eating terrible food, all that good stuff. And,
you know, like 19, 20 years old. And then I was
a college athlete. So I was also just banging
my head all the time and had one too many concussions
when I was right after I was 21. Yeah, 21 years
old. After my soccer career just ended and really
did everything wrong in the acute recovery phase,
so was still playing sports, drinking, and not
sleeping well. I just didn't do anything to recover,
because I really didn't know that I had a concussion.
And I ended up making that situation really bad.
And I dealt with post -concussive syndrome for
over a year, really like 15 months of really
bad daily headaches, extreme fatigue, couldn't
exercise anymore. And I was... pretty depressed
because I went from being an electrical engineering
student, a college athlete, super high functioning
person to all of a sudden not being able to do
pretty much anything, having to sleep 12 hours
a night. Luckily, I'm very stubborn and I didn't
accept that as like my new normal. So in the
summer of 2018, I really just started meditating
and going down these rabbit holes because I realized
that I was not accepting this as a 22 -year -old
as my new normal. And that summer, coincidentally
enough, I was in Portland, Oregon, and I was
spending a lot of time in nature on the weekends.
And I realized when I was out in nature... Felt
better like my brain didn't feel as inflamed
and I didn't even sleep as well as in a tent
I was hiking I was like physically exercising
and little did I know back then but You know
the no service no EMFs not staring at a screen
Just being out in the real world was profoundly
helpful for me to really just have a breakthrough
and then I started researching, reading books,
podcasts, et cetera, on how to heal the brain,
overall healthier lifestyles. So I just started
implementing a lot of things there and I started
feeling better. And throughout 2018 and 2019,
I made leaps and bounds of progress. I, you know...
cut out processed foods, was really deep into
the stress management, sleep hygiene, taking
some supplements, actually took a lot of fish
oil, high potency DHA back then, which now I
know how important that is for brain health from
a quantum perspective, which is cool. And just
kept progressing. And I graduated college and
all of a sudden I had gone through this pretty
profound health journey and... I didn't really
want to go back to that lifestyle I had before
where I was working out a ton during the week
and partying on the weekends. So I decided, hey,
you know, I'm a young adult in the world. Health
is like one of the most important things to have
knowledge about. And it's clear as I was learning
that there is all this misinformation out there
and really so many of us were just misled and
living unhealthy lifestyles and it could be really
simple. So I kind of became obsessed with that.
And then COVID happened, of course, and I was
very primed to have a perspective on that front
and just kept going down the rabbit holes of
regenerative agriculture, the food system at
first. I got really into that. I wrote a book
discussing kind of the issues of our food system
and also tied in Bitcoin with that as well as
other passion of mine. And then after I closed
that chapter up, really simultaneously continued
to improve my lifestyle and felt better than
I did even before my concussions because I was
spending more and more time outdoors and really
just a aligned lifestyle. I realized that my
degree in electrical engineering could be very
pertinent to the discussion about biology and
health. And I was for years, you know, I bought
my first pair of blue blockers in 2018. I got
a grounding mat, I think, for my birthday in
early 2020. Like, I was turning my phone in airplane
mode for years, but I hadn't really gone deep
down the rabbit hole. And as I got on social
media for networking, promoting my book, I realized
there was people talking about EMFs and light.
and these more electromagnetic aspects of our
biology and of the planet and of nature, and
they didn't really know what they were talking
about or they were using, you know, kind of terms
that were very technical and they weren't explaining
it well. So I realized that... with my background
in electrical engineering, I could fill a gap
or at least be a voice in this space. And the
more I learned and kind of went down those paths,
the more I started to come to the conclusion
that the electromagnetic aspects of our biology
might be the most important thing. And it's the
most under discussed because it lacks tangibility
and people really lack the foundational knowledge
to even grasp it. And that's where now so much
of my passion lies. And since then, I've, of
course, just continued to learn and dial in my
environment to the best I can given the state
of our modern world. And then, of course, that
led me to a podcast that I hosted and then to
Daylight, which is really a dream job to help
bring that to the world. So that's kind of the
background story. And it's fun because I went
to school for electrical engineering, and I was
not very passionate about it during schooling.
And it's also one of the most challenging majors
that you could do. And I got a bachelor's and
master's degree and was a student athlete in
the library 40 hours a week. I hated my life.
It was a grind. And it wasn't until recently
that I really had an appreciation for that knowledge
and really ended up relearning a lot of the fundamentals.
But I always had this fascination with it and
I didn't know why or where that would apply.
And only, you know, in the past couple of years
has it became super clear in terms of the purpose
of that. So it's a pretty great full circle moment
for kind of what I left my adolescence to to
focus on. It's hard to even dream about the path
and the discovery that This led you to like you
would have never dreamed of it. That's amazing
story. So how did you get involved with daylight?
Yeah, so funny enough, I and I don't know if
you remember, but I had a podcast called Decentralized
Radio and that's where I was just like. Really
passionate about these topics starting to go
down reading all these scientific papers was
really in a regenerative bag I was really into
Bitcoin. I was really into health. I was like,
no one's really talking about this intersection
of all these topics and So the podcast with a
friend and I just wanted to interview people
that I thought were interesting researchers farmers
ranchers doctors, etc, and I spoke with dr. Jack
Cruz in December of 2023 and I think I remember
seeing him post about like something on his Instagram
and didn't really look too much into it. And
then he told me, he's like, you know, after we
did our podcast, which is mostly about EMFs and
he knew I was an engineer. He's like, you need
to talk to Ungeon from daylight, like immediately.
He's like, you guys need a link up and that needs
to happen. So I was like, okay. And then reached
out to Ungeon, had him on my podcast like two
weeks later. And the website didn't have that
much information. I was like, oh, this looks
cool. Blue light, free computer, blah, blah,
blah. But it didn't really click until halfway
through my podcast with Ungeon, just how important
this was. And it was clear to me. I was like,
oh, this guy spent his whole life's work trying
to build a healthier computer. And he's about
to bring it to the market. And I was like, oh,
my gosh. This is the most important company in
the world, because I knew better than anyone.
The last two years I was spending more and more
time on social media, building a personal brand,
just being on the internet, and I actually started
to plateau in how I was feeling because I spent
more and more time on screen, on my phone, and
it didn't matter how much sun I got, how many
steaks I ate, or how dialed in my house was for
EMFs. I was still on tech, and I couldn't swap
out that tech for something healthier. Like,
I just couldn't. There's no... There's no option,
you know, and we're talking about the biggest
companies in the world. And ironically enough,
you know, my background, I worked in the semiconductor
industry and I went into the business side of
things. So I was very familiar with the supply
chain of electronics and just how that hardware
world works. And then of course, because of my
knowledge of health space and also building a
brand on social media with marketing. Uh, it
was really like the perfect culmination of, you
know, joining daylight. And I immediately stopped
everything I was doing, uh, and, and jumped on
board and it was, it was, uh, it was a lot of
fun because I'd never worked for a startup. You
know, you've learned so much in such a short
period of time and now, you know, leading a lot
of things in the business. And it's really, I
think a great. partnership. It's a great team
that we have, but Ansh and I, very complimentary
and it's a lot of fun because again, I look back
at everything I've done in my life, study electrical
engineering, really into nature and health, worked
in the electronics industry, just... like the
way I kind of, you know, I led teams and was
on a soccer team. So the startup world, although
it was so foreign to me, like actually has been
a great fit for kind of just the experience I've
had. So it's literally like everything I've done
in my life has built up to this moment to ensuring
that daylight is successful. And I truly believe
that our success will. equal a much better world
for everyone because we're really in a dire state
I think with our relationship with technology
and especially the next generation it's it's
scary and I often forget that because I live
in this bubble like I'm not even I've seen like
10 people in the last you know days and I don't
interact often I mean I go to San Francisco where
offices And it's a culture shock for me in the
moment, but I'm not in schools. I don't have
kids yet. And I think that we really have a window
to change this course that we're on with technology.
Else it may just get to a point where there's
no turning back of how it's affecting us both
mentally and physically from a health perspective.
Yeah, and I think we're very close. We're very
close to that no return. It's almost like Daylight's
the only hope right now. I've had John Colts
from RF Safe on and just the EMFs are underrated.
It's so fascinating too that you didn't allow
yourself to settle. You were always pivoting
and reaching for something higher. It's like
your day mod. You call it day mod. Allowed you
I think that's the path that allowed you this
opportunity Can you go over some of the benefits
of the DC one especially in comparison to other
big tech options? Absolutely, so and I don't
know how many people watch video but I can pull
one out here. It's all dirty But you know, I
think starting with why technology is is not
great for us is is the easy point to begin and
For me, there's both physical like direct reasons
and then there's indirect. And I'm going to start
with one of the major indirect ones is that it
keeps us indoors. Most people, unlike me, are
not working outside. And there's a reason for
that is because the corporate office culture,
I mean, physical workplaces, but also because
technology is not really designed to be used
outside. The batteries die very quickly. It overheats
very easily. You can't see it in the sun. It
competes with nature. It doesn't work with it.
So our transformation from an outdoor to an indoor
species, in my opinion, is one of the main drivers
of chronic disease. And it is because we evolved
to live in the natural world, and I like to call
it the real world. And the technology and the
companies behind it, they have created an artificial
reality. And I'm not even talking about the metaverse.
I'm talking about just anything through the digital
medium that we consume. It is an artificial reality.
not physical, it's purely digital. As much as
I like, love connecting through Face, through
FaceTime or visual video chat here, like I'm
seeing a pixelated version of you that happens
to represent you. It's not really exactly. physically
you. And that's something that is very foreign.
And then it's removing us from these input signals
that we were designed to take in and drive our
biology. So the full spectrum of sun, the Earth's
natural geomagnetic field, the grounding you
get from touching the Earth, of course, the greater
ecosystem of Colors and sense and there's so
many rabbit holes to go down there why nature
is really beneficial and it's not even beneficial
This is like baseline It's only beneficial because
it's lifting us up from where we're at now But
in reality, this is just like what it should
be. It's normal. It's only been touted as a benefit
or healing because we're so sick and we're so
sick because our indoor environments, they lack
these inputs. The light is distorted and now
it's been completely alienated away from full
spectrum sun. The air is stagnant. There's no
negative ions that are very important. We're
insulated. And then we have this high concentration
of non -native electromagnetic inputs from the
Wi -Fi to the power frequencies to the blue light
coming from the screen. And that gets into the
direct kind of negative benefits of technology,
right? That's the environment we're in. And that's
not even to begin the device itself where the
devices themselves. Yes, they are emitting radio
frequencies. They have also DC magnetic fields
charging them, emits more dirty electricity,
electric fields, giving us an unnatural AC body
voltage and all these things, you know, hundreds,
hundreds, thousands of studies showing potential
and harmful biological effects. And then there's
really the big one, which is the light, the light
from the screens themselves. are very, very different
from light outside. And it's completely lacking
in full spectrum colors and wavelengths. And
it's very isolated in narrow bands of light,
specifically in blue light and specifically lacking
in like red and infrared. And for those that
don't know, Infrared is the majority of sunlight.
It's like 50 % to 55 % from an energetic perspective.
From a photons per second perspective, upwards
of 70 % of sunlight is infrared. And the infrared
light is long, wavelengths, lower energy, and
it really balances out the higher energy visible
in ultraviolet wavelengths. So it's, as in nature,
all things are more balanced and they're offset.
And they all have specific biological functions.
So when you distort that, you're really distorting
the input signals that we need. So the devices
then, blue light and isolation has been shown
to harm mitochondrial function, especially in
our eyes and the retina. And then we look at
them at nighttime, and that disrupts our circadian
rhythm. Blue light is the master signaler for
our circadian clocks. So then all of a sudden,
one of them One, if not the most important aspect
of health is sleep because that's when we restore
and repair the day's cellular damage is now completely
being hijacked in terms of the quality of it
because we are disrupting our circadian rhythms,
suppressing the melatonin by staring at these
devices and their screens. And we also have these
non -native EMFs ongoing typically all night
as well. And we wonder why. our cellular processes
are really in a bad state and we're seeing chronic
disease younger and younger and that all to me
comes down to mitochondrial dysfunction as well
that's being passed on not only you know throughout
someone's lifetime but generationally as well
and and that's the scariest part and you know
potentially why things like autism are skyrocketing
because we're passing on this mitochondrial heteroplasmy
and everyone's starting off in a far worse place.
And when we're children, we're most susceptible
to all of these negative effects. So you take
that, and then you also consider that the light
itself is flickering on and off to control brightness.
That's yet another stressor, especially problematic
for people with ASD or people with neurodivergent
symptoms, because it's so much more of another
stressor and stimuli affecting our brain and
eyes, and we don't even realize it. Until you
get home after a day's work and your eyes are
just so fatigued and tired and none of this is
really up for debate This is kind of been proven
and shown in studies even engineering Articles
agree that this is the case. So that's where
we are. We have these and This is like facts
of science physics Then we get into the dopaminergic
component of it. Like I don't even need to talk
that much about Everyone knows that your phones
like you can't even put it down because another
component of blue light Is that it's the most
dopaminergic? Wavelength and that makes sense
when you realize during the day like I'm outside
right now There's so much blue light here. That's
telling my body wake up go, go do things like
it's, it's reward seeking behavior. But now they've
concentrated that and put it into, you know,
a handheld device. And it's in reality, a Las
Vegas casino. So where we have all these bright
flashing lights, it's cut off from the natural
world and we can't help but sit down and pull
the slots all day. And it's environmental design
at the highest level with these big tech companies.
And when you realize that the entire economy
is driven off attention now and consumerism and,
you know, these advertising, um, you know, companies
like, like Metta, uh, it makes total sense as
to why it's gotten so good that it's really impossible
almost to not fall in and not get sucked in.
And that's where we stand right now. We have
the most important aspect of humanity is technology
by far. And the most important aspect of technology
right now is devices. And we use them every single
day. The majority of our waking day, almost 90
plus percent, no one is ever away from their
phone or away from their devices really for more
than a few minutes a day now. That's how ubiquitous,
that's how pervasive it is. Everything's done
through the digital medium. And it just so happens
that we have all of these detractions. So inherently
we've become so much more distracted, so much
less present, become less creative because we
don't ever have down moments to just think and
ponder and reflect. I think overall we've become
worse humans because we don't have moments to
reflect. We lack empathy. We lack the ability
to have strong connections. We also just lack
the social skills anymore because everyone is
just conversating and connecting through a digital
medium, not a physical one anymore. And you see
that with the studies that have come out. It's
funny because I've I've researched a lot of this
stuff historically, but now I've focused more
on screen time and kids due to our upcoming marketing
campaign and. You know this stuff is true and
then you go and read the studies and you're like
This is so much worse than I thought like the
amount of screen time in Japan I think it's like
a one -year -old's they did studies of one year
olds and screen time and First kids on multiple
hours a day of screen time, which isn't even
that crazy Just like a couple hours a day. This
does happen like very commonly it was like a
5x magnitude increase of developmental delays
Five X, we're not talking like five, 10, 50%,
five fold. For five, six year olds spending more
than two hours a day on devices with screen time,
seven X increase risk of showing ADHD like symptoms.
And I know you could probably debate, all young
boys might show some ADHD type symptoms, but
we're talking like. The far end we're talking
about the the really noticeable Difference there
and it goes on and on like the executive function
just gets hijacked of children from only watching
a few minutes of content on one of these devices
with the Content being extremely fast frame and
switching like a cocoa melon or I mean any of
the tick -tock reels or Instagram reels nowadays
a very fast frame and it's very concerning and
these aren't studies from some fringe researchers
these are like the American Academy of Pediatrics
and really well -known journals and it's scary
because I think you look around and parents don't
really know what to do they struggle they can't
lead by example because they live in a digital
world and then they're struggling as a parent.
So it's really easy to hand a kid an iPad because
they just zoom in, they're gone. They're not,
if you give a kid an iPad, they're not, they're
not even present in that physical reality anymore.
They have been captured and that can be really
helpful. Of course, you know, you're cooking,
you're cleaning, you're doing chores, you're
traveling. I get it. But the effects of doing
so. It's a short -term benefit that's doing a
lot of long -term damage to your child's development
and psychology and really having unknown effects
on their biological development. So that's really
the state of affairs. I know I kind of went on
a tangent and really all at daylight that we've
tried to do. is remove those detractions. So
we have a monochrome display that you could explain
as a kindle on steroids, but in reality, and
it's a kindle on steroids because it's fast enough
to now be used for anything. You can watch cocoa
melon on here, but there's no bright colors.
There's no dopaminergic reaction, and you can
do it outside. There's no light being emitted
from this at all. It's working with the sun.
It's working with nature. Battery life's amazing
because of that. So, all of a sudden, you've
removed the Las Vegas casino from the environment
that it's in and you've placed it outdoors or
you've placed it indoors with a candle lighting
environment with our amber backlight that's blue
light free and flicker free. You've changed the
environmental design So now your Twitter feed
looks like a digital newspaper, and it's a lot
less compelling. It's a lot less dopaminergic.
It's a lot less stimulating. So technology can
just be what it was originally meant to be, which
is just a tool for learning, for communicating,
for education. That's what this should be. It
should augment the human experience, it should
not detract from it. And that's the big shift,
right? We really transformed as a species in
the last 20 years. And we now are, I mean, debatably
cyborgs because we have technology, we have kind
of these devices attached at our hips at all
times. We are part technology. That's how connected
we are to these devices. But it's really bringing
us down. And that's the whole idea with Daylight,
and the tablet is the first product. It's how
do we bring the good from the digital, but keep
it in somewhat of an analog experience, close
to analog as possible, and allow you to have
the natural environment so that you aren't personally
hijacked into this artificial reality and you
can have the cognitive sovereignty over your
own attention which is so hard nowadays and I
think the physical is the most underrated thing
and that's where like physically writing your
notes And it feels like paper on the daylight.
That's what we tried to emulate. But it's convenient
enough to throw in your backpack and you could
not have five notebooks, 10 textbooks. It's all
just one thing. And if you do want to access
the internet, because don't get me wrong, I'm
a big supporter of the digital minimalism movement.
You know, the light phone, the whatever, just
phones that don't even let you have any apps.
But let's be real. Who's using that? That's a
second phone. They might have I mean I have one
friend who I can only get in contact with via
email and I envy him, but it's just not realistic
like People aren't gonna give that up and why
should they? Chat GBT if you use it AI tools
for the right things I mean the amount you can
learn now in such a short period of time is incredible
the tools that exist But the problem is it's
an absolute Wild West just Chaos scene when you
log on when you log on that's not even a thing
anymore when you just get on a device you could
either learn the deepest depths of Biological
function or the deepest depths of philosophy
and psychology or what have you? But how many
people are actually doing that with a large percentage
of their time spent on device most people end
up Consuming instead of learning and then they're
really end up being the product and the device
is learning from them as opposed to the other
way around so we got it backwards and Then that
algorithm just becomes that much better so Fred
Daylight, we're like, hey, we want you to have
access to this. Yeah, you can delete apps. Yeah,
for the kids stuff, we will have parental controls.
You can lock it down. Firm believer that children
should not have access to the full internet and
social media world until, well, they're not,
they shouldn't, until they're not children. But
there's still brilliant tools available for learning
to kids. And then for adults, if you have a different
environment, if you take the Las Vegas out of
the tablet, you actually will be able to learn
more. You'll be able to get out of social media.
You'll be able to just stay in a workflow and
read something. And that's because we are also
building the whole ecosystem, the whole stack,
not just the hardware, not just the display.
We're also working on the software. So notifications
and the context switching is going to be a thing
of the past for for people on a daylight because
how could you possibly do your best, deepest
work when you're constantly being pinged with
notifications or switching apps or toggling back
and forth? It's not conducive to how our mind
works. And that's why I really I'm concerned,
Ryan, of the state of affairs with just people
right now. It's very, very hard to have a conversation
of depth. It's all just this very high time preference,
like what happened yesterday, what we need to
do, head in the sand. They're at the ground level.
And it's because we never ever have a free moment
anymore. I mean, it's become a literal like,
it's like a gym exercise at this point, like
meditating or going for a walk without your phone.
That's like an accomplishment. No, that's normal.
That's just like how we should live. That's like,
okay, I'm going to go for a walk and like think
about my business or think about my relationships
or think about just my trajectory in life or
how life's going for me. That doesn't happen
very often for most people anymore. And it's
because every second you have of downtime, you
can just go right here for some dopamine. you
can just hit you take that next hit and I often
do that. It's really hard not to especially when
you're busy and doing a lot of things makes you
feel relevant and connected and I find in general
when you don't have a ton of in -person physical
connections that is even a greater pull because
you're it's supplement supplementing what's missing
from your real life. And the problem is when
everyone's doing that, it's going to be really
hard to just have physical connection in the
first place. So it's almost a self -fulfilling
prophecy at that point. So our mission at Daylight
to wrap up a very long rant is to create synergism
between humanity, nature, and technology. We
don't think it has to be this doom and gloom
Wally future, but we sure think we're heading
that way if we don't make a deliberate kind of.
Stick in the sand Charge against it. So I think
it's been really exciting so far to see the adoption
and we're really excited to focus more on on
on kids talking to parents I don't even need
to convince them that this is a problem and It
feels really good to be pouring all my energy
and effort into something that that matters a
lot because as you can see I'd much rather be
in the mountains every day, just like frolicking
around. But we got a mission here to really get
this out there and inspire change in the community.
And it's going to take a whole lot of us to do
that. And that's why I always appreciate people
who are hosting a podcast have their own community
about pushing this out there. Wow. So a couple
of recaps. Just amazing. It's a huge testament.
And we can see this whenever like a child is
upset or misbehaving, you know, they're erratic,
you give them a device and instantly they're
like calmed down and like glued to it. That's
how powerful this is because they're going from
one state to the other and just like instantly.
And I'm glad you noticed or mentioned the casino
because I think people can understand this. It's
not just the content. that we need to be aware
of. They utilize these intermittent reward schedules
is what it is. It's rewards without effort. And
that gets us. And most people could probably
understand that. But it's the light part that
I think people miss because that's complicated
for most. Unless you allow yourself to get in
here and stay in this quantum physics, quantum
biology range. And another thing that I really
want to highlight is, because I suffer from this
hugely, is data on autistic sensory processing
is the early, let's say for the eyes, the event
-related potentials is how they kind of measure
this, EEGs, MEGs, or fMRI. It's really heightened.
They call it heightened with autistics, meaning
it's just hitting these early regions. much harder
than typicals. So like the retina, lateral geniculate
endothalamus, and superior colliculus, these
things are just lit up like at visuals stimuli
versus typicals. And I battle with the eye strain.
Like right now today, doing this, I'm like my
eyes hurt. And I don't like it. But you're right,
there's no other alternative. But I've used the
DC one, and I don't suffer from that. So I know
that it's like legit. So that's, I can't help
but just highlight that because it's such a pleasure.
And it's like rewarding. What do you what are
you looking at a MacBook or? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. I just being me suffering from concussions
as well, like in the past, it's my iPhone was
tormenting me. actually. Yeah, I can feel it.
My eyes are and I recently switched to an iPhone
11 because that's uh that doesn't have as bad
a flicker and it's it's like once you cut this
stuff out, you notice it even more as well. Yeah.
And I think that's another thing just to touch
upon quickly that I've really been thinking a
lot about is we have become so numb as a species.
And everyone always is like, yeah, no, you get
your health back and all this, you're more resilient.
It's like, yeah, you're more resilient. But in
reality, what you're restoring is sensitivity.
And sometimes that feels like you're maybe more
susceptible to things or less resilient. But
in reality, when you're more sensitive as a human,
and I'm not talking just emotionally, I'm talking
like physically, spiritually, emotionally, the
whole gamut, right? And that's what it means
to be human is to be sensitive and able to perceive
the signals and the stimuli in your environment.
And that is what you feel like. People look at
these screens all day and they're like, well,
it doesn't bother me. And I'm just like, well,
it should because you're numb and you're so desensitized.
And that's why so many people are depressed because
they're getting all of that stimulus all of that
dopamine from their artificial reality and then
everything outside looks gray and then they have
no intuition they don't know what to do they're
zombies i mean that's like literally the definition
of like the mpc the non -player character is
because they become so desensitized that their
heads just at the ground level walking through
life. And ignorance is bliss, don't get me wrong.
But I think the real human experience is when
you open up sensitivity and you can feel relationships.
You can feel the environment around you. And
unfortunately, that means you can feel the detriments
of screens and EMFs and what have you. But that's
what it means to be alive, is to feel. And I
would... give anything to restore that to more
people to experience that and understand that
and that's why I'm off grid here in Wyoming and
really deliberate because this is when I can
feel the most is when the noise is quenched and
the signal comes through crystal clear and that's
where it's like I know what I'm meant to do I
have the intuition of you know People that came
before us you always hear these like Superpowers
imagine it's not it's just like human intuitive
nature and there is a quantum physics component
to that as well But you can't do that when you're
so desensitized it just it's it's it's not possible
So I think that's I always like to touch upon
that because I think people It's easy to go down
the negative rabbit hole of like everything's
bad for us. It's so toxic now You're telling
me my phone's killing me and whatever they're
like, it's fine for me but in reality, it's like
just take a step back and be realistic about
it and think about like your day -to -day and
how often you can reflect on these things and
you know when you do cut stuff out is when you
actually notice it and That to me is always the
most potent way to experience it. Yeah, allowing
yourself a little reset. I also wanted to mention
from earlier with the health or the children,
the rates of suicide are increasing at alarming
rates and at younger ages. And if you talk to
people, they're just like, well, we don't have
enough services or we don't have enough providers
and things, but their environments are the cause.
you can add a service or providers to each of
them and they're still going to be, you know,
it's not going to be. It's not an upstream solution.
That's a downstream kind of safety net. That
doesn't really work. That's a, that's harmful.
Can you say a little bit more about the light
flicker? Because, um, I'm, I'm kind of thinking
of like the pupillary light reflex, which is,
um, he ferrets for the The nervous system pathways
the the pupillary light reflex kind of bridges
the central nervous system with the peripheral
nervous system using motor neurons and Can you
just say a little bit about? The light flickering
yeah and pupillary reflex is one of the best
ways to tell if someone's like Sympathetic dominant
and really like has an activated nervous system
if you don't know what that means But it's and
I know practitioners that that's one of the first
things they do And light flicker is a very broad
term. And it's basically just describing any
light that has an inconsistent or changing amplitude
of output. And it's not continuous. It's not
just a straight line of a wave function. And
that is important because in nature, it is continuous.
It's not turning on and off. And that's basically
what's going on. And it's mostly from LEDs. No,
a candle could flicker every now and then, but
it's so slow that it's not a problem. And, you
know, strobe lights, they flicker, but you see
it. You see the flicker, right? It's like 10s,
20 times a second. And that can really be bad
for people with epilepsy or prone to seizures.
What's worse is when you reach a threshold where
you can't see it anymore Yeah, and that's right
around like a hundred times per second and our
phones are are flickering at like 250 400 500
times a second because OLED displays And most
LEDs now they use what's called pulse width modulation
to control brightness so engineers figured out
that instead of controlling brightness by just
pushing less current through a diode, you could
instead cycle the diode on and off. And that's
called a duty cycle, is the time on versus the
time off. And the more time on, the brighter
it would be, the more time off, the less bright
it would be. And that is a more efficient way
to control brightness. And then the color consistency
of the display is better. because a diode is
a semiconductor. And when you change the amount
of current through a diode, you can intrinsically
change the output of that semiconductor. And
that is another downside to DC dimming, it's
called, which is just like a normal way to do
it. So now like 99 % of diodes, LEDs, I should
say, are controlled via pulse width modulation.
Pulse width modulation is used for everything.
It's used for radio frequencies, like pulse signals,
modulated signals. That's the norm. And it's
a shame because when you're operating in that
frequency range of a couple hundred times per
second to even up to 5 ,000 times per second,
it's very problematic. And the lower it is, the
closer to visual perception it is, the worse
it is for our brain. eyes because it's just above
where you can't see it, but your brain feels
it and They have a flicker index. It's an electrical
engineering standard They have a whole scoring
system and they've really done studies showing
that until you get to like 10 20 ,000 Hertz or
20 ,000 times per second that is turning on and
off It's felt by the brain So they could use
PWM and just make it really high switching frequency
But then that kind of defeats some of the engineering
benefits they get and and MacBooks are better
than iPhones because of the display technology
But it's it's really unnecessary and they could
just use direct current dimming. So the daylight
that's what we did change one circuit Sounds
very simple and it is but when you're a small
startup, it is a big challenge to do that and
Yeah, it's just really dumb right because it's
like we engineer technology without any biological
thought in mind and the flicker stuff is is really
frustrating because it's it's quite literally
unnecessary and No one's really gaining any benefit
from it. Like yes, you get a slightly better
color consistency and maybe your battery life
is is 5 % more efficient, like that's it. Wow,
okay. On the other side of that trade is debilitating
headaches for people who are sensitive, eye strain,
eye fatigue, aggravating symptoms in ASD people,
anxiety. Wow, that seems like a terrible trade
-off. Why are we doing that? It's because nobody
knows. Nobody even knows this is a thing. And
we put out some content for daylight and so many
people are like, Oh, I had no idea. Like this
is why this is giving me a headache. And you
know, that's why I switched to an iPhone 11.
I look at my old iPhone or someone gives me their
phone. I have about 20 seconds before I got a
headache. And I'm not kidding. And you can sound
like an insane person when you say that, like
No, I literally can't look at those screens anymore.
I can't look at OLED screens. And you might relate
to that. People with TBIs, people with really
bad eye strain, and we've met these people. We've
gone to neuro -optometry conferences. They're
the most sensitive, right? Because they've had
neurological damage or they have a neurological
condition. And I just want to tell people that
if they feel it and it's driving them insane,
That means it's impacting you too. You just can't
feel it to the degree So everyone would be better
off everyone everyone's nervous system would
be less activated if we just got rid of flickering
light and PWM the pulse width modulation is not
the only form of flicker. It's the main one there
are and we're we're still learning because There
is like pixel level dithering or flickering where
if you have like an 8 -bit display and again
this is all like color mixing everything is trying
to get the most bright saturated like vast spectrum
of colors possible and there's only a limited
amount of color combinations they can do so what
they do is instead they dither or they flicker
pixels in different colors like very quickly
And you can look up pixel dithering or temporal
dithering. And on some devices, it's very problematic.
So even if you don't have pulse width modulation,
you do have an inherent problem. And because
the daylight computer is monochrome, that's not
an issue at all. But people who are really, really
sensitive, again, they can't look at it. And
any display, we have someone in our team who
is like the highest level sensitivity person.
and he's researching about how even some aspects
of the daylight could be improved from like a
visual comfort perspective. So it's exciting
because we're still learning. Like the daylight
is so much better than a MacBook and an iPhone
and normal displays, but there's still leaps
and bounds to be made because even a daylight,
even any display is unnatural, right? It is not
the same type of light to be consumed as we are
in nature. So how do we keep progressing? And
it's funny because a lot of, you know, the displays
from like 20 years ago were actually like the
most, the least stimulating, the least problematic.
So it's almost like we need to go backwards,
which is kind of what we did at daylight, you
know, going back to an LCD instead of, you know,
moving forward with OLED. And it's like, we need
to stop, take some steps back and then move forward
in a better direction. And that's the analogy
for all of technology. That's a great description.
And I appreciate you highlighting that with the
flickering and the pupillary light reflex. And
since I added with the heightened sensory processing,
the ocular motor is involved with the pupillary
light reflex. And that's in the mesencephalon,
the midbrain for the lay public. And that's huge
in autism. its roles were motor movement, sensory
integration, and here's the one that because
of what you were saying, it biases the attention
of the living organism to the outside world.
And since you hit on, you know, we're just isolated,
that is, I think, where it would be happening.
That's a major area or region of interest, I
think, is that that mesencephalon, the superior
colliculus and that third cranial nerve is doing
that. So I'm glad that we we went into detail
there and since you mentioned Kids can you say
a little bit about the the new initiative from
daylight? Yeah Yeah, you know we really sat down
I mean we've always been targeting parents for
kids and really most passionate about that, but
we really sat down. We're like, okay Where can
we have the biggest impact? Where are people
going to get this that need it most? And not
only is that beneficial to the public, it's beneficial
to us as a company. We need to grow. We need
to sell units. Our gen one is amazing for those
who get it. It's not amazing for those who don't
get it. So let's not focus effort on trying to
convince people of why they need something. When
I've been talking to more teachers, more superintendents,
more parents, I don't need to convince them that
devices are a problem. They don't know what to
do. They're looking for answers. They are so
concerned. And you see they're banning smartphones
in schools. iPad kids is a meme. They're guilt
and parenting now. It's a conundrum. And special
education specifically is, yeah, it's hard. It's
really hard. So that was eye -opening for me.
The other eye -opening thing was, I was talking
to all these superintendents in New Hampshire,
and... I had no idea kids were getting Chromebooks
in kindergarten in some states. That's crazy.
Six years old, their own device, and of course
it's controlled and whatever, but that is, you're
giving a child a portal to a new world when they
haven't even really got their feet set in the
first world, in the real world. It's completely
unnecessary. And that to me just shed light on
really how dire this problem is becoming. But
also in the same breath, all the superintendents
were like, we don't even want this. We want to
figure something else out. This happened during
COVID and we don't really know what to do. And
yeah, they're like, what you guys are doing is
awesome. We want to figure out how to get it
into schools. There's barriers to entry for public
school, as you can imagine. So going direct to
parents first is easier. Homeschooling has become
a massive trend as well. So we are definitely
want to get in front of that audience because
that's, I think, a key target customer. But you
think about kids, right? You can nerd out on
it and be like, really in the science. And I
have done that. And it's crazy. Children let
50 % more blue light through their retinas because
they're underdeveloped. They hold the devices
three times closer to their body So now you're
getting 50 % more blue light Threefold so wow
all of a sudden That's 6x right the impact of
blue light then their brains are not fully developed
so they don't have the the frontal lobes the
ability to actually pull themselves out of reality
because they're still mapping reality. This is
learning. This is curiosity. This is developing
neural circuitry. And you've now given them something
to develop in that is completely artificial and
foreign. And you wonder why that leads to all
these developmental delays. And you can get into
the EMF piece, same thing, right? We're talking
like 10 maybe. 50, 100 times, it depends on the
age. For an infant, for something, someone, a
child under two years old, it could be 50 to
100 times more sensitive to these inputs. For
a toddler, dozens, 10, 20 times. For a young
child, maybe five, 10 times. And then it goes
slowly down, but it's still like fully developed
brains, 25, fully myelinated. which is protecting
them from these electromagnetic inputs. And fully
developed retinas is also like adulthood. It's
not like 15. So they're getting more light of
the wrong kind. And why do you think that is?
Why do you think it lets in more blue light?
Because they need to build that neural circuitry.
They need those dopaminergic responses, but they're
supposed to get that from this environment, from
outdoors, from falling on a hill, from riding
a bike, from seeing something go by and being
curious about it, that is the dopamine, that
is the extra blue light, why they're getting
it. It's not to hand them an iPad and to be so
enthralled in cocoa melon that when you take
it away from them, they... Throw the worst tantrum
that you've ever seen and it just keeps getting
worse and worse and worse and all of a sudden
You don't really have a family anymore You have
kids on devices that are rotten at the core due
to new no fault of their own Unless they're on
a device and you have disconnected parents and
you have a family unit that is completely discombobulated
and centered around this digital reality and
world because you can't really extract it from
the day to day anymore. And all of a sudden they're
seven years old and they go to school and they're
on these devices. So it's really scary. And I
think what's really encouraging is that the awareness
of this problem has grown because it's gotten
so bad. And you see all these schools popping
up, the homeschooling, the private schools, no
tech till X age, and we're all for that. So we
are in full support of delaying introduction
to technology as long as possible. But as I mentioned
earlier, it is extremely powerful tool if used
responsibly. And that's what we're there for.
So we think that the daylight is the perfect
first device for a child. Now this doesn't mean
that you buy a daylight and give it to your five
year old for five hours a day. No, this means
that if you have a five year old and you're ready
to introduce them to technology, you have a daylight
computer and you ease them into what it means
to interact in a digital medium. They can write.
notes on it. They can listen to songs on it.
They can learn a language. They can do the very
basic stuff, but they can put it down. It's it's
less attractive than playing in the backyard.
It's less attractive than going to the swimming
pool or the lake. It's less attractive than making
dinner with mom. That's point. And then when
you are cleaning up, it's nighttime, they're
ready to go to bed but you know, you could use
20 minutes to do something, chores, emails, and
you give a daylight to your son or daughter and
put on some old cartoons as a winding down moment
or they're reading on it and the amber backlight
and parents have sent me literal pictures of
their kids falling asleep on their daylight.
That's what this is for. It's for kids to use
when it's needed, not to become the main source
of enjoyment of their childhood because if the
main source of enjoyment of their childhood is
a device, that means we're in a really bad state
for parenting for the next generation because
that means everything else. is less exciting
than their iPad. And that's a world I don't wanna
live in. And if I was a parent, I certainly would
not wanna live in that. But I know it can be
a real challenge, and I know parents are working
really hard, but that's also the benefit of daylight.
It's like, for when it's needed, there's something
that's there. And as they get older, of course,
you slowly increase the amount of time Spend
in a digital world responsibly, but it should
never take away from the play -based childhood
from the outdoors based childhood from the family
based childhood that is the core and that's what
we need to return to and I Think it's real. It's
really possible. I think the signs we're seeing
is very encouraging and I'm excited to see how
it goes I can't wait the feedback. We've gotten
from parents so far has been fantastic and That
especially for neurodivergent or special needs
kids you even have your hands full even more
So as a parent, so I think that's gonna be a
very powerful tool But it will remain as a tool
Yeah, okay, that's that's a great population.
It's a great mission Tell me about The surprise
mission from Danny Jones on Joe Rogan and what
that smit to daylight I Think it's cool, you
know It's just you know, we paid zero dollars
for that right like Organic plug and that's what
we we love right like Danny's great guy. He's
a father He gets it and that's what it's gonna
take. You know, we don't have a budget like Apple,
we don't have a budget like Athletic Greens or
whoever's sponsoring these big ass podcasts.
This is gonna be an organic grassroots movement.
And that's what we enjoy and we wanna get out
and talk to people. That's why I love doing these
podcasts because you hear it. That's what we're
all about. We're not doing this to make money.
Obviously if it's successful, we inherently would
make money and a lot of people would make money.
we're doing this because it's needed and we are
working our ass off. We have a very small team
for a consumer hardware company. And when we
get those moments like that being shout out on
a big podcast, obviously it helps sales, but
it kind of just like, wow, we're already, we're
already there. We're already close. And I think
there's just like, you know, activation energy
that's required. And then something will end
up running on its own legs. If it's good enough.
And if the product market fit is there, and it's
really at its core essence, a positive contribution
to society. And I think we're very close to that.
And I think our Daylight Kids initiative, which
should be launched probably by the time this
comes out, is gonna take us there because that's
gonna be where we can have the highest impact.
And it's gonna be a lot of fun because no one's
come out. you know there's these cheap tablets
that have like all these parental controls and
they're safe and whatever but no one's really
come out and made like a healthier device like
at the core across all like areas of tech and
the most exciting part is what we can do once
we're successful enough you know you talk to
John about RF I've talked to him. I want to reinvent
wireless technology. I think it's possible. We
could have Wi -Fi routers that have automatic
shutoffs, like lower output power, be dynamic
about it. We can do so much. We have custom LEDs.
We're very close to the LED suppliers. We could
do really great indoor lighting, complimentary
to the daylight. We can do a whole lot of stuff.
that really changes it to an environmental design
company in a positive way. And I think that's
what's most exciting is once we become successful
enough, we can really increase the surface areas
that we're on, do next -gen products, of course,
new tablet, monitor's been heavily requested,
phone's been heavily requested, all these things.
And we think they're all great ideas. And it's
just a matter of time. So that's probably the
most exciting piece. Yeah. I pictured a daylight
phone and I got excited about that. Let people
know how to get in contact with daylight or how
to search for your product. Yeah, so our main
website is dailycomputer .com. If you're a parent
and have kiddos, it's going to be kids .dailycomputer
.com. That will be launched on August 28th, I
believe, if all things go well in the next week.
And yeah, socials, we are at Daylight Co. And
yeah, if you want to follow me, I'm at Tristan
underscore health and Instagram at Bitcoin and
underscore beef on Twitter. But check out our
website. you know, this doesn't become successful
unless we have this big word of mouth kind of
acceleration in terms of spreading the word.
So implore you to, you know, test, try it out.
We're often doing demos, events, et cetera, follow
us on socials for that. And then spreading the
word in the community and sharing feedback. So
you can always contact us. Hello at dailycomputer
.com as well. The best marketing tools, word
of mouth and positive feedback. And it's great
stuff. Well, thanks a lot, Tristan. And I'll
let you get back to nature. And I'm kind of jealous
of it. So I'm like, I got to get back to work.
So don't worry. Yeah, because but thanks so much,
Ryan. It's great to great to connect. I appreciate
giving me a chance to talk about it all. Yeah,
I appreciate your movement and missionary here.
So good luck with everything. Thank you. I would
like to take a moment. and mention a pressing
issue we are seeing in our modern world and that
is tech use and tech light. The data are impressive
and concerning on isolated wavelengths of light
especially shorter wavelengths which is blue
light. For those that don't know we have chromophores.
which are special proteins that absorbs specific
wavelengths of light. For blue light, the light
that is LED light and tech light, that protein
is called melanopsin. Melanopsin is responsible
for our circadian biology, physiology and cell
functioning, hormone regulation, and even a connection
to an area huge for mood. A consideration we
should include is this protein was not even discovered
until 1998. It seems important for us to understand
how our biology uses the different wavelengths
of light for various aspects of our biology.
This blue light chromophore is our master controller,
our master clock. Remember, circadian rhythm
is a two -part process, two independent parts,
light and dark. For a quick reference, see the
2017 Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine.
But for now, I have something exciting. I want
to introduce a product unlike any other product
available. A highlight is the product from Daylight
Computer Company created their product based
on these factors. The Daylight Computer is completely
blue light free. It has no flicker. Short wavelength
flicker is extremely harmful for our eyes and
downstream biology. light flicker is constantly
turning our central nervous system on and off.
Essentially it is like going to a light switch
and repeatedly turning it on and off. The problem
is blue light and LED light does this and it
is so rapid you cannot even perceive this in
real time. The daylight computer is the lowest
stimulation and foremost for sensory sensitive
users. It is no question that the alternative
product especially when used at night do not
address or consider this in their product. It
is so toxic to human biology. Big tech corporations
have patents on how their short wavelength implicate
the human nervous system. And a bonus, despite
daylight computer not having backlight, it is
very functional for outdoor use. And of course,
increased sunlight is always preferred. I am
happy to offer a discount for the daylight computer.
You can use the code AUTISM for a $25 off coupon.
Again, use the code AUTISM in the discount code
for $25 off. See the link in the show notes to
Daylight Computer Company or just give it a quick
search in your internet browser. Use the code
AUTISM for $25 off. I would like to mention Chroma.
Lights designed for humans. A Seattle -based
innovator founded by ex -NASA and Air Force engineer
Michael Shapiro is on a mission to enhance physical
and mental health with purpose -built devices,
unlocking peak human health, cognitive function,
and performance. Shapiro launched Chroma to restore
the natural light lost to screens in indoor living.
and delivers faster recovery, sharper minds,
and better sleep. Their products hit hard. The
Iron Forge speeds muscle repair with red and
near -infrared light, while the Skylight mimics
sunlight to boost sleep and energy. A standout,
the Forge Lamp, is a portable gem that fires
660 nanometer and 850 nanometer light to energize
mitochondria and heal tissues on the go. Remember
the four red light chromophores on cytochrome
C oxidase frequently talked about in the podcast.
This is why their products are built with military
grade durability that have lasting impact. Chroma's
tech fuses Precision and power. Gallium -titeride
power supplies. Smaller, cooler, and stronger
than silicon. Provide flicker -free light that's
easy on the eyes. High -powered LEDs target key
wavelengths for skin, tissue, and cellular health
with smart heat management for the lasting impact.
Every design decision Chroma Make serves a purpose
to create devices that are precise, durable,
and effective for improving human life. Remember,
humans use different wavelengths of light for
different functions of life. Remember when I
ask, what do you think light is? Chroma Designs
with our biology in mind. From sleep aids and
wound healing to mitochondrial energy, full body
lights and blue light blocking glasses. They
are US made and chroma ships globally and accepts
FSA and HSA payments. Use autism at checkout
for a 10 % off discount. That's autism. at checkout
for a 10 % off discount.