My guest today is Katie Asher. Katie is a devoted
mother of five, widely recognized for her unwavering
commitment to her son Houston, who has severe
autism and her faith in God. She founded Asher
House to support families affected by autism,
drawing from her own experiences navigating trauma,
loss, and abuse. Her faith -driven journey led
to a breakthrough when Houston, after years of
nonverbal communication, found his voice through
letter boards using spelling to communicate.
Katie also explores telepathy, a discovery she
credits with transforming her worldview and deepening
her connection with Houston and with herself
and with God. Their story inspired their co -authored
book, The Book of Heaven. Katie's resilience
and advocacy make her a beacon of hope, empowering
parents to pursue competency in their non -speaking
children and fostering a community of connection
and hope. And now, my conversation with Katie
Asher. Can we just start with... Are you telling
us a little bit of your backstory and what autism
means to you? Okay, so the first time I ever
heard of autism was I watched Rain Man. That
was the first time I'd ever heard of it. I was
16 years old and I went to the theater with my
boyfriend and it was just so... such an incredibly
frustrating but extraordinary human experience.
And I had no idea and never even imagined in
a million years that that would be my life. My
son Houston is my second of five kids and I'm
now a single mother and it was a very abusive
relationship. my marriage so I had to get out
and not terrified me because I had all five kids
and Houston severe autism and I Didn't know how
we were gonna make it. I my background is I grew
up just with a really strong and deep abiding
faith in Jesus Christ as my Savior and that Sustained
me throughout a very painful childhood And as
I got older and was in this very difficult relationship,
and then with my son regressing into severe autism
after his vaccines, my faith was radically and
utterly crushed. And I kept trying to cling to
all the promises of God. In particular, all things
work together for the good of those who love
God who are called according to His purpose.
Imagine trying to cling to that verse while you're
scrubbing feces five to eight times a day out
of the carpet or the walls or the bed or the
books or whatever it's been smeared on. It's
not nice feces, it's like... Bloody, diuretic,
acidic, foul -smelling stuff that I don't even
know that a human body could produce. Clearly
something was wrong with him, and the doctors
didn't care. It was like, oh, you have this diagnosis,
so now we don't have to treat you for anything.
No matter how medical, the obvious, this is a
medical issue, we don't have to take care of
you. because you have a disability. And that
is how the medical community treats people with
profound disabilities. And it's completely unethical
and has to stop. It has to be addressed. There's
so many wrongs that these families have to deal
with by society, by the institutions. And I'm
over trying to pretend like they're experts or
they're good people. They're not. They're not
either. When you refuse to heal and refuse to
care and continue to tell a lie, you've lost
all status of any of any expertise or stature
in society or any right to speak on any authority.
You've lost it. It's gone. You do not have my
respect. So that's how I feel about that. We
lived in I'm trying to kind of sum this up so
I don't take to but a severe, you know regression
into this, you know Hellish world of symptoms
with no sleep You know smearing feces Screaming
crying always hands over his ears naked all the
time couldn't stop eating and drinking running
and throwing themselves in a body of water constant
near -death experiences, eloping constantly,
almost drowning, being hit by a truck at age
three, you know, sores all over his body that
again, no one would treat, no one would take
care of him. And I'm just still in there trying
to figure this out on my own. Just trying to
do all the work, just like read, here I am, I'm
like five kids, severe autism, abusive ex -husband
reading medical journals. Like, this is my life.
This is how I learned about autism. You want
to know how I learned about autism? I read. I
lived. I couldn't care less what those people
say. I know what I'm talking about. And so that
was my life. And we were told every year, once
you get to, so it sounds all great, right? It
starts with the Babies Can't Wait program. So,
oh. You're a kid struggling to speak. Let's get
them in the babies can't wait program What you
don't know is that you've now entered in without
really realizing it you've now entered into a
totally separate educational track Without really
it comes under the term of help But it's not
it's a totally separate track They give you minimal
resources, but they basically put you and very
quickly into a special ed preschool to help and
then they start doing ABA. ABA is the absolute
worst possible thing you could possibly do to
someone with a motor impairment. And that's what
people don't understand is that these children
with profound vaccine injuries, their motor is
impaired. Every single function of their motor
is impaired. They can't motor plan. They can't
feel their body. That's the vestibular system.
The proprioceptive system doesn't work. The sensory
motor don't integrate. That's because the encephalopathy
interferes with sensory motor integration. The
sensory synapses don't prune. The sensory motor
don't integrate. They're taking in everything.
And they don't have the ability to motor plan.
So this is a motor impairment. And then they
use motor -based tests to test their intelligence.
or they call them assessments, but they're IQ
tests. And they basically say, look at all the
things he can't do. Oh, so we've got to re -teach
them all these different things. And we've got
to drill them over and over and over on the same
thing. What you're doing is you're actually myelinating
motor pathways, not for what the individual wants
to say, but what for the tester wants them to
do. So you've just now, and then they say, that's
all their real communication. That's all their
real voice is essentially what you've myelinated.
is absolutely nothing to do with intentional
motor. It's only what they've myelinated. So
now that you're in this track of you're not smart,
you get put in an isolated self -contained classroom
and taught the exact same colors, calendar, coins
for 18 years. You're isolated from everyone.
You never get a voice. You never get to participate
in society. You never get to make friends. Then
you graduate. You have no skills, no education,
no friends, no education, musical enrichment,
art, sports. You've never been taught anything.
You're released with nothing. They don't even
give you a diploma. You get a certificate of
completion. It's not a real diploma. And now
you're prepared to do nothing. And oh, because
you've done this, you've been in this track.
We're going, because now you can't speak, we're
going to tell your children or your parents to
take guardianship and we're going to encourage
them to put you in a home or a day program. So
now you're jailed. You spent your whole life
in jail and then your whole future in jail. And
this is not, this isn't figurative, this isn't...
This is literally what's happening to 2 million
children and young adults in this country, not
to mention the other countries. So I feel extremely
strongly. And then we have these ABA communities
come in. By the way, the ABA industry is worth
$7 .62 billion and they work directly with ASHA.
ASHA is the speech licensing organization who
is worth $174 million in assets. They have absolutely
no authority whatsoever. All they do is approve
licenses for speech pathologists. And this organization
has basically come in and said, we don't believe
in spelling. We don't believe in this. We're
going to say it's not a valid form of communication.
And the schools, because they don't want to pay,
For retraining and basically admitting that they've
denied all these children education for Can you
imagine that civil rights violation? So they
come in and they're like, it's not a valid form
of communication Asha said so Asha has no no
authority whatsoever. The schools are supposed
to be following the ADA They're supposed to be
following the law which says that an institution
a public institution has to follow the communication
choice of the person with the disability. There
are multiple statutes within the law that designate
that the person with the disability gets to choose
their communication and the institution has to
follow their choice. They completely disregard
the law and they take in this non -government
agency and say, well, they said it, so that's
what it is. Not recognizing that this agency
has got a lucrative reason to not acknowledge
the competence of these individuals. Profits.
It's profits over humanity. It's always profit.
And, um, and ABA, by the way, gets paid, they
get to charge 40 hours a week, billable hours
to insurance companies. Why your insurance company
or policy so high? ABA is one of the reasons.
And they do not want spelling, um, acknowledged
or admitted because it would prove their entire
concept of behavior wrong. So this is important
to understand. If you have a motor impairment,
like we look and we observe people behaving a
certain way, right? And we put meaning on it.
We all do this. This is kind of just like we
observe, we put meaning on it. Okay. But if you
have a motor impairment, And essentially, it's
like your body's turned on, but there's no one
piloting it. How can you be held responsible?
And how can that be a legitimate test of your
intelligence? Which, by the way, we should never
be testing anyway. That's completely unethical.
The idea that your rights are somehow linked
to your intelligence, where is that? That's powerful.
Yeah. But that's what they've done. They've taken
these tests and they've said you get rights equal
to what we say your intelligence is and we're
going to use your disability to measure your
intelligence. I don't even believe in intelligence
anymore. I think we all have aptitudes. I think
every human being is brilliant and beautiful
and wonderful and we all have different ways
of maneuvering our body and different things
that we're passionate about and giftings, but
that doesn't make one person smart and another
person not smart. I mean, I always go back to
Forrest Gump, stupid is as stupid does. I see
a whole lot of stupid out there with people who
say they're smart. I rarely do this, but you
posted it on X from the 15th day of Autism Awareness
Month on intelligence. I'm going to just read
it. Intelligence is the ability to understand
and process information, not the ability to demonstrate
it to other people for them to put a score on
your mind and worth. Yeah. That is so powerful.
Yeah. And accurate. Yeah. And they gave my son,
they gave my son with a severe motor and sensory
impairment. Well, I wouldn't say his sensory
is impaired, his sensory is over. His sensory
is extra sensory and his motor's impaired, which
is a bad disconnect. But basically they gave
him an IQ score 45 at 18, age 18. He sat there
like within two years later when he was spelling
and he was doing integrals and calculus. I'm
sorry, but your tests are broken. They're horrific
way to measure what is going on in the mind of
another human being and these all go back all
these IQ tests go back to the progressive era
when social science came into being and this
was a result of Darwinism and they thought oh
oh wow okay natural selection well we'll we'll
select we don't need to naturally select we're
going to do it ourselves we're going to decide
these social scientists created who they felt
was they saw who they thought would be good for
society and they wanted this pure society without
problems and so they began this process of identifying
um testing isolating and then sterilizing in
some cases euthanizing And this, of course, reached
a heightened test or, you know, case where not
test, I mean, they were actually doing it, but
in, you know, in the Nazi regime. That started
in the United States and in the Scandinavian
countries. That's where that started. Not surprised.
How old was Houston? You mentioned that. Was
there a certain vaccination schedule that? happened.
So the very first one that caused it was the
DTP Hib shot. By the way, this is the live DTP
Hib. Now it's called DTAP, which is a less dangerous
form of the very dangerous DTP shot. So this
was the actual shot that Congress or these big
pharma basically went to. They went to Congress
and said, we can't make vaccines safe. There's
no way to make them safe. So the idea that they
say vaccines are safe is ridiculous. That's literally
why they were given immunity, is because they
couldn't make them safe. They brainwashed people
to think that. It was just a big lie. But the
reason why they were was because they were having
all these lawsuits and they were losing because
people were getting, children were getting horrifically
injured by the DTP shot, the very same one that
injured my son. This is when it started. Now,
what people don't realize is that, like this
wasn't even, so when people are like, no, it
wasn't, I'm like, well, first of all, I was there.
So I get to say what happened and what didn't
happen. And secondly, we, He started breaking
out in petechia everywhere. I was like, what's
this? I thought it was like a rash. I take him
there. I call the doctor thinking it's nothing.
And they're like, rush him to the doctor's office.
They immediately admitted him into the hospital.
And they said he has immune thrive. I want you
to listen to the words in here. Immune thrombocytopenic
purpura. Okay. That's really important. And there's
the cytopenic purpura. Okay. The cyto in particular.
Okay. So you've got this immune thrombocytopenic
proprio, which is an autoimmune disease where
he started killing off all his blood platelets.
She says, this is a vaccine entry. It was either,
they were not sure if it was leukemia or this
ITP. It was the ITP. She said, this is a vaccine
entry. What you have to understand is this is
before the big pharma. push against pediatricians
and doctors acknowledging that. So that had not
happened yet. This was 1997. So that happens.
We don't know the effect of it. He continued
to get the petechia. We were giving him gamma
globulin. We're doing all these things, but we
didn't realize what had actually started. And
when we came to the next vaccine, And he did
start, I will say he did start at that time to
start to regress. But he was also, it was like
weird because he's like regressing and progressing
at the same time. So it was like, he's losing
some skills, but he's still developing others.
So it was, it was kind of hard to figure out
like what's going on. And, and plus he's still
really little because that was eight months old.
And the very first thing I ever noticed was he
suddenly lost the ability to clap. Midline. Something
had happened. He literally was like, and he'd
lost that ability. And then I was trying to play,
like roll a ball back and forth with him and
roll the ball to him. And it was like, he couldn't
push it back to me. Now I know I didn't at the
time because I was just a young mom. I didn't
know that. What I was witnessing was a motor
dysfunction, where something was wrong in the
motor. Well, when we go to the next shot, I told
the doctor, I really am scared of this, considering
what just happened. I don't think this is a good
idea. And he goes, this is my big safety net
right here. That was a fluke. He'll be fine.
That's what I got. And so I stupidly didn't listen
to myself. And I listened to this doctor who
does not know what he's talking about and got
an MMR. And that's where people start seeing
these massive regressions. And that's where that
was when all the rashes, the horrific rashes
and the diarrhea and all the gut issues started
was there. It was bad. But I know it had already
started with the first one and I think that the
MMR just basically like and what what really
what you have to realize what happens is The
most dangerous thing and we don't have to talk
about this if you don't want to I can move on
to something else So the aluminum in the vaccine,
okay, it has an atomic number of 13 That okay.
So with it the way electrons work, right? See,
I actually know what I'm talking about. I actually
went and had to study chemistry because people
who are supposed to be the experts won't actually
teach us what the information is. Aluminum is
the adjuvant that they put in these vaccines.
And they do this, if you go and look on Wikipedia,
you can actually see aluminum is used to essentially
stimulate the immune system. How does it do that?
The atomic number is 13. In any electron, any
element, the first shell can have two electrons.
Every shell after that can have up to four pairs,
so eight. So 13 is the number. You've got two
in the first one, eight in the second one, and
then you've got three in the valence shell. The
valence shell is the outer shell, and that's
what determines how electronegative something
is. Three is very electronegative, because it's
got one stable... and then it's got one, so it's
trying to fill that whole shell. So it starts
stealing electrons. Now you've got cells that
are unstable, so they steal electrons, then they
steal electrons. This is how it stimulates the
immune system, because it basically, it triggers
all of this cellular oxidation and activity,
which of course makes the immune system go, uh
-oh, something's going on. Unfortunately, because
they can't control, and this is where they said
they can't make it safe, this is where it is,
they can't control what electrons are stolen,
how many it takes to reach homeostasis. They
can't control that. There's no way to control
it. And in some people, they can reach homeostasis
quickly. And in other people, it just goes on
like fusion, like this massive cellular oxidation.
So that... When that happens, something in the
immune system starts, it's called, remember I
told you, immune cytopenic purpura, a cytokine
storm is released, particularly of interleukin
6. Now, this is what they would call, a cytokine
storm is what they would call hypercytokinemia,
I think is how you pronounce it. I could be wrong
about the pronunciation, but that's the word.
And basically at its worst cases, it can cause
massive organ failure, but it absolutely does
cause massive organ dysfunction and damage, which
is why you see these kids with all these medical
comorbidities all over their entire body. The
next thing it does is it triggers encephalopathy.
Interleukin 6 causes encephalopathy. Chronic
encephalopathy. This isn't like, oh, my ankle's
swelled and now it's okay. This is long -term,
the rest of your life, your brain is on fire.
What does that do to development? Well, when
we're all first born, we have all these sensory
synapses and we're taking everything in, right?
This is how we learn at such a fast rate. When
your brain's inflamed, guess what it doesn't
do? It doesn't prune sensory synapses because
that would be dangerous to prune the brain when
it's inflamed. The next thing that doesn't happen
is it doesn't develop the motor because the sensory
synapses aren't pruned, so it can't develop the
motor pathways. And then the next part of development
is the integration of sensory and motor. That
does not happen. Those primal reflexes that begin
whenever kids are like learning these basic motor
movements, that's when sensory and motor are
integrating. So when you interfere with that
process, what you're doing is you're creating
a disconnect between the brain and the body.
the mind is still brilliant. It's still incredibly
absorbing everything. But now it just can't demonstrate,
it can't control the body. So it can't demonstrate
to us what it knows, what it's absorbed. So the
reality is, they're way smarter than us, way,
way smarter because they're taking in everything.
And so the whole thing about telepathy, thought
is energy. They're absorbing it. Emotion is energy.
they're absorbing it. All these, like this whole
metaphysical world that we're in, they're absorbing
it. And so spelling is a way for them to use
gross motor, the thing they have the closest
connection to, but even that's severely impaired.
And when people look at all their impulsive movements
and everything, what that is, is those are the
myelinated or impulsive motor pathways. Intentional
motor is something totally different. And so
what happens is these myelinated and impulsive
pathways, they've been done so much, they get
so they're heavily, they're strong, fast, wide
pathways. So it's intentional motor is like trudging
through the forest, whereas an impulsive or myelinated
motor motor pathway is like a super speedway.
So that's the one that overrides the intentional
motor, because the intentional motor just takes
too long. And so what do we see? we see the one
that fired first, not the one they want to fire,
not the motor pathway they're trying to get to
connect, but the one that had enough time to
execute. And so spelling is just a way for them
to try to develop motor pathways. get a little
bit more myelination on those motor pathways
so that with 26 letters they have access to the
whole English language and or other languages
but because they're brilliant um and the whole
thing about language even like we've kind of
think it's like oh you can't know that because
you what when you understand thought you understand
the actual intent behind the words. Like one
word in one language is this. It's one set of
sounds. And the same like boat, right? Boat in
English is the sound bo and o and t, right? It's
those sounds together. When another language,
it's a different set of sounds. But whenever
you're able to hear thoughts, you're past the
sounds. You're at the intent. And that's what
these guys are. They're way past our, like, menial,
you know, utterances. They are getting to the
root, to the meaning of everything. Okay. I want
to talk a little bit about telepathy now, because
of what you just described. But I also want to
talk about spelling. Okay. Which one would you
want to talk about first? Let's talk about spelling
first. Okay, so Can you just let let me know
because I have I know nothing about spelling
to communicate Can you just take me through this
process? The intensity that the learning about
it and things just yeah, okay So what you do
is you start off with we started off with three
boards Right and they've got about eight to nine
letters on each board and you ask them a question
that they already like you teach them something
You presume competence and it and then you ask
them a question about what you just taught them
So, you know that they've got the material like
it's not like we just talked about it I know
I'm gonna believe you're smart and I'm gonna
believe the only thing that's Impairing you from
communicating is your motor So I'm gonna coach
your motor So let me explain that in a real quick.
So is let's say someone it you know had never
seen a basketball before heard of the or, you
know, ever played or anything. And they handed
you a ball. And they said, put that ball in that
hoop. And you're looking at it, and you're like,
how am I supposed to do that? Right? But then
what if somebody said, okay, I want you to hold
the ball like this, go underneath, and I want
you to bend your knees, and I want you to look
up, and I want you to push from the bottom, and
I want you to kind of arc it like this, right?
And somebody starts coaching you through all
those minute movements. It wouldn't be right
away, but over time you might be able to get
that ball to go in that hoop. Now that's someone
presuming competence. They presume that you understand
how that they said, put the ball in that hoop
and they understand that you know what you want
them to do. That is, that's what presuming competence
is. So when I say to someone, Spell this word
that we just talked about. Spell photosynthesis.
I assume that they know what I want them to do.
And the only thing that they're needing coaching
on is how to move their arm to do that. That's
spelling to communicate. That's motor coaching.
That's letter boarding. That's all these different
words. What you're doing is you're prompting
their motor just like you would for a tee ball,
catching a ball, throwing a ball hitting a bat.
Any of these motor skills, we would take the
time swimming incredibly complex. What do people
do? Oh, you're not smart. You can't swim. You
don't know what swimming means. Or maybe they
don't know how to move their body that way. And
that's this idea that because these kids can't
speak that somehow they don't comprehend. And
presuming competence is critical to the whole
process. So you start with coaching their motor
just to spell words because you want to always
like until you build up their motor, you don't
make it difficult. Like you don't make someone
do a difficult motor skill or a difficult complex.
You don't make it more complex when they still
are struggling with the most basic stuff, right?
Because it's like it's like learning the piano.
You have to learn the scales first, right? You
do that and then you can start working on the
progression So, um, so you start with the three
boards and I mean when Houston first started
he had a pencil and it's got a stencil, right?
So the letters are poked out now what's interesting
is Houston's I didn't know this right away Houston
sees triple and Everything moves and he goes
blind from one eye to the other sometimes both
eyes Did the doctors ever bother to figure that
one out? No, they didn't. How would vision impact
motor? Well, what we found out is that actually
it's huge. It's not just where things are but
vision Houston's gonna say hi But so it's something
called your vestibular system so what your vestibular
system does is it takes in what you see and what
you hear and it's your body GPS. It tells you
where you are in space. And then there's something
called saccades and pursuits. And these actually,
so saccades, they're basically moving your eyes
right to left. If you even try and like stop
your eyes and like, look, look, lift your eyes
up, lift your eyes down, go to the right, left.
You can see how like difficult and how like fine
motor that is. Well, if you're seeing like, triple
of everything and it moves, right? Then people
go, oh, they don't, they don't like, for example,
they don't look in, um, they don't make eye contact.
They don't like people or they're seeing six
eyeballs and they can't focus on which ones.
Yeah. It's the arrogance of the observer, right?
The eye as an observer can determine the true
meaning and intent by what I'm observing. Or
no, you can't because no none of us have that
ability to go into someone else's body and to
experience what they're experiencing So as Houston
began like he had we had the stencil right and
some guys can't do the stencil because They have
depth perception issues. And so they actually
need the letters raised up But again, unless
you have a vision expert that can see what's
going on with their eyes You don't you're again
making assumptions based on what you're observing
without knowing what's really going on So Houston
would we'd give him a pencil and he would sit
there and he would be like this To get to one
letter That's how exhausting it was to point
to one letter but the more I coached his motor
the more accurate he got So then we reduce the
visual field and we put all 26 letters on one
board. This is a lot harder visually and it's
a lot easier to make a mistake. So your motor
has to be more accurate. So we had to work on
that. Once he's on the 26 letters, we can start
to increase the intellectual load. So that's
when we start asking more complex questions.
So the way to get to independent open is you
start with known questions, right? Like I told
you about photosynthesis, I asked you a question
about photosynthesis, you answered it, right?
That's a known question. A semi -open question
was where I taught you about chlorophyll and
I taught you about the different types of chlorophyll
and what different chlorophylls, you know, the
different wavelengths that they would reflect,
right? and, you know, absorb the whole, it's,
it's really incredible when you actually get
my answer. But that would be like, so now there
are several options. They're all right answers,
but I don't know which one he's going to share.
If I say name one of the colors that this particular
type reflects, then you would, he has a couple
of options. And so Once he goes to that first
letter, let's say he does, you know, red. And
if he goes to the letter R, I know that the options
are like, you know, I've got three different
options. I know he's going to spell the letter
red, right? So I can help him to coach him through
the rest of that letter or the rest of that word.
Then we go to that. And that's what they call
a semi open question. And then the next stage
is what they would call open. And that's where
I say, you know, I wear something I don't know
the answer to, like, what is your favorite tree
in the fall? Like, based on like the different
colors and the variations of like, you know,
essentially once there's less sunlight and, you
know, the other colors are able to emerge because
if there's less sunlight, which one is your favorite
and, you know, what color? does it produce? You
know, I could say something like that, where
I don't know what I don't know what tree he's
going to tell me is his favorite in the fall.
I have no idea. I don't know what the answer
is to that. So he has to be really good. By that
point, with his motor, he's got to be super accurate,
because I don't have any idea to help him get
to that first, you know, letter. He's got to
pick it. He's got to pick correctly. So Because
that, you know, and so this is where, you know,
and they can be like, for example, if he was
trying to get to, um, if he pushed X for the
first letter for a tree, I might go, was that
a misspoke? Cause maybe you're right beside,
you know, right underneath the R or something.
You know what I mean? Like you're right beside
her diagonal or something like that. And so like
as a coach, you're watching their motor and you
can make some presumptions about what you what
you know they meant to hit but maybe missed and
you can help them correct that motor oh you were
right here you needed to get right here and you
see this what happens is this trust between the
coach and the speller begins and they're like
Oh my gosh, because what they've lived through
is ABA where, oh, you got it wrong. You don't
know your letters. Oh, you got it wrong. Right.
That's what they've lived with. Punishment. Yeah.
And so now someone's like, you realized I was,
I missed it. You realized I just couldn't get
there. And then what happens is this trust builds
and that's when communication opens up. So beautifully
is because they're finally with somebody who
presumes competence, who's coaching their motor,
who trusts them, who they trust. It's really
no different than like if two people could verbally
communicate, we have to be able to be on that
same page. And then we build the trust. It's
a gateway to trust. Yeah. So yeah, I follow that.
Yeah. How long does it take to get to that open
question? It's different for everyone. And because
again, their motor is all different. How many
times are you practicing? What is their age?
How regulated are they? There's so many other
factors. We come from this mindset, and it's
a false mindset, by the way, that there's one
cause. If we're observing this one thing, then
there's... one cause. If there's this one problem,
then this needs this one answer because there's
only one factor. And that's just not the case
with anything. We're all affected by so many
countless factors. But I'll tell you the factors
and I'll give you a rough estimate. If somebody
practices every single day and that coach is
believing in them. And they are practicing really
good regulation as far as getting their bodies
regulated. They can, and I'm saying when I say
practice every day, I mean like truly investing
and it can be broken up. If they can only handle
like 10 minutes at a time, fine, break it up.
But I try to get people to do in like 30 minutes
or an hour a day, at least. And I know in the
beginning that can seem daunting. And, and that's
why you just have to break it up. Yeah. Just
little bits by little bits, you know, different
than anything else. Like you were talking about
the motor skills or learning basketball or piano.
You just can't get all the way into it. You just
break it up into the, into how much they can
handle it once. But the, it's the belief. in
them that is the driving force. So if you've
got a coach that or a parent is going to believe
in you, it's like a freight train. It's like
they their motor progresses so quickly because
they've got that belief in them just like any
of us with who has a coach that believes in us.
Suddenly we can do things that we never thought
we could do. Yeah. Wow, I didn't even know I
could do this. So but if if they have that If
they practice every single day and they have
got the regulation and they've got the coach
that's believing or the parent, and it's even
better if it's a parent, I just got to say, sometimes
this is really difficult for parents. And I don't
want any family, depending on the spelling coach,
to be the primary communication partner. The
parent, one of the parents has got to step up
into that role. They just have to. Because you've
got to be able to communicate with your family.
That's where it needs to be. And that is harder
because there's a lot of emotional baggage that
we all carry, especially if you haven't believed
in your child and they could hear all your thoughts.
That's affecting them. And so you've got to confess.
You've got to say, I'm sorry. I was wrong. I
want to fix this. And that's where the healing
begins. But let's say you do all those things
is very, very reasonable to expect open communication
in a year. It is actually reasonable to expect
it in much less time than that. But I say a year
because I feel safe saying a year. We just had
someone I had a friend and I've been trying to
get her on the boards, you know, with her son
and there were just so many obstacles. And we
finally got her on the boards with her son. And
she's got a coach with her coming constantly.
And I think it was the 42nd session that he spelled
his first open sentence. So that gives you an
idea. And that's someone who has severe eye issues.
it struggles with regulation, non -speaker, you
know, I will say it's more difficult for the
little ones because their bodies are, they can't
even hardly sit. And the way I've seen it with
that and don't feel bad about doing this is totally
fine. If they can't sit, fine, follow them around
the room or have one parent hold them and the
other parent holding the board. Like do what
you have to do. Like, but you have to know that
they want to communicate. And what you are witnessing
is a body that they're not connected to that's
struggling. And it's not them. It's their body.
Yeah. The language is in there. Is it easy to
get started on spelling to communicate or is
that something that's it's more like depending
on the area? It's not widely available like it
needs to be. Frankly, I mean, I have people contacting
me. I'm in Pennsylvania. Can you help me find
someone in Pennsylvania? I'm in, you know, Nebraska.
There's no one here. Where do I go? Like, people
are really struggling to find, you know, coaches.
There is communication for all with the number
four. That's free and online. It's got all the
succession videos, all the training videos, lessons.
It's got everything there. What And they do have
people you can contact in for support. But I
just will say it really does help to have somebody
with you. It's kind of like learning any motor
skill online. You can do it. You have to be really,
really well motivated. Whereas if you have somebody
in person, it's just another level. You can feel
their energy, you can feel their support. You
don't feel alone in the process. And it does
not have to cost a lot of money. I'm going to
say this because I want people to hear it, that
it's possible. I got one coaching lesson. I paid
attention and then I went and I did it myself.
Now, once I got Houston open, then I wanted him
to spell with other people. I didn't want to
be the only person he could communicate with
me, right? Because he'd already been trapped
in his body his whole life. I didn't want to
limit his voice to just his mom. That's horrible.
He's a young man. Then we had this amazing coach
that he worked with and it was a man and he got
to talk about things that I'm not interested
in. Then we got another coach who was just this
beautiful life giving source. And, and he got
to be like this incredibly deep, encouraging,
like really friend to her. And I get to see like
through these relationships that he was having
with all these other spelling coaches, I got
to see the depth of my son's soul because they
brought out things of him that I didn't. Yeah.
And that's why you want you want it to be a community
you want it to be You know with all these people
that you want it to be as close to what we all
experience You know with with unimpaired motor
that you can like we want them to have all those
experiences Especially the social ones because
they've been deprived for so long and then can
you imagine for two decades Houston was 21 almost
about to age out of public school when we finally
found the letter boards, when we started. I found
out six months before his aging out, and we started
the next month. And so his spelling, his very
first independent words were, I'm in here. Can
you imagine? And that was in July, and he aged
out in October. I mean, two decades of fearing
that you're never gonna be known. And that's
what we all, this idea these behaviors have,
like, is essentially trying to deny the right
for other people to be known. When that is the
most instinctual desire every single one of us
have is to be known. Yeah, yeah. And loved. The
idea that these these experts supposedly can
come in and deny like blanketly deny the rights
of all these students is maddening and The schools
do it. Oh also need to tell about schools. Not
only are they awful But they also and they deny
all the rights, but they get more money per kid
with disabilities But the money doesn't go to
them. It goes into the general fund there happy
to have a self -contained classroom that they
can barely fund and let these kids just rot away,
forgotten, while they take the money that's appropriate
for them and they use it on their neurotypical
students. And I have four other neurotypical
students. And this is how I feel. If there's
extra resources, it's gonna go to the one who
has the greatest need, not the one who has the
least. Yeah. Okay. How was it for you whenever
you saw I am in here? I explain it like it was
like I got hit with a gale wind but it was my
son's soul. Oh yeah. Sometimes I just imagine
how the nonverbal autistics must feel not being
able to share. It's very concerning to me. They
feel despair. Yeah. Hopeless, too. Yes. And it's
hard to trust people like you were mentioning,
which is important. So hopeless. I must feel.
You know what? One of the things that we want
so desperately is to change how people treat
each other. Mm -hmm. You know this is this um,
and I'm sorry the lighting is so bad. It keeps
going down, but But these individuals like they
understand how in how critical love is But we
also need to understand that in kindness like
it has to be kindness this idea of like trying
to Okay, I should go back There is no lack This
is important. There is no lack. We have an abundance
of everything we could possibly need. There is
a lack of distribution, but there is no lack.
And I mean that in every sense of what we all
want in life. There is no lack of love. There
is no lack of any of the things that we need
to be a human being. But the way it's distributed
the way it's confined the way that we think that
we have to compete for resources Like these are
the fundamental things that create fear And when
we realize that there's no lack that we all have
within us this the abundance of the Lord God
within us To distribute freely to give freely.
We don't have to like hold up for ourselves Like
we have an abundance coming through us and we
need to pour it out of us And so I think that's
fundamental to understand how how they can say
with such certainty, we just need love. We just
need you to see each other and us and everyone
as a human being worthy of with intrinsic value,
eternal, infinite value. And we need to treat
other human beings with that same thought every
single second of every single day. Yeah. I like
Matthew 7. Matthew 7 is pretty good on that.
Houston says that one soul is worth more than
all the money in the entire world. Oh yeah. One
soul. That's it. Yeah. And so that's how we like
that's the shift that has to happen, right? Yeah.
And they are here to make that shift happen.
That's the fundamental shift that they want to
see. Now, I've had people go, oh, this is important
to me because it's important to understand this.
Like, oh, we should all just be unified. That
sounds great, right? Now, this is tricky. Unity
doesn't happen on its own. You can't try to force
unity. It requires truth and justice. And those
create within us this recognition that we may
have been wrong about something, and we need
to right it. And we need to humble ourselves.
We need to repent. We need to say we're sorry.
We need to fix things. And that is what creates
within us the ability to unify. But this idea
that you can force unity without like acknowledging,
you know, some people are still saying they're
more important than other people, but let's unify.
Like, well, the people are getting stomped on
aren't okay with that. They don't really feel
unified with you and they don't think that you
have their best interest at heart. So it feels
disingenuous to them. And so. The moms of autistics
that they're being stomped on. They are. And
it's frustrating for people who do not live with
this unreal challenge that these parents and
these non -speakers have lived with, being dismissed
by people who have none of those issues. And
that's been so hurtful. And a lot of these people
are just, they're continuing to be hurtful. They're
not they're not taking a pause to go Maybe I
was wrong and I shouldn't have said that and
this wasn't about me and I shouldn't have made
it about me when it wasn't about me Humans have
a hard time with that. Yeah, they do And you
know, the thing is is like it's okay to be wrong
Yeah, okay Like you can go you know what? I don't
like the way I handled that I wish I had thought
about someone else instead of myself in that
moment. Yeah. Making it right will be a better
outcome afterward. You'll be a stronger person.
There'll be that unity. That's how we sustain
our species and so forth. It's how you create
trust. If someone never apologizes and they keep
trying to assert the same opinion, then there's
no trust and there can't be unity when there's
no trust. Are the letter boards something that,
like Houston or others that use this, they can
just take with them, like in public? Yeah, I
have like this little laminate one that I use.
It's my little travel one and I carry it everywhere.
And I didn't finish the progression because yeah,
after you do the stencil, then you progress to
a laminate. And ideally, then you progress to
like, I shouldn't say ideally, because I don't,
here's my other thing is like, for example, let
me show you. Like this is something we work on,
right? So this is a little portable keyboard
that we can take with us everywhere This I never
plug this in I do not connect this to Wi -Fi
because Houston can hear the Wi -Fi. He is completely
distracted by electromagnetic energy The EMF
and so people think oh technology is better and
I'm like actually technology is worse Technology
is another distraction. I'm glad you brought
that up So people think like technology is better
and I'm like, it's not it's worse But I understand
people somehow think I want to ask you a question
though, which is real this Or Actually, I don't
have this regular letter board with me. Oh, here
we go. Here it is Which is which is um, which
is real like which is real letters this one Or
this one I would say that one. Is an A here real?
Or an A here real? Which one's real? It's the
same. Okay. You know? Like, I mean, that's my
point is that they think that somehow if you
do it on this, that's real communication. But
if you do it on this, it's not. So who says that?
Oh, of course, all the people that are trying
to attack spelling. Okay, but even but even people
like I have like like I've gone into schools,
right and I'm trying to you know advocate for
letter, you know letter boards and spelling and
coaching and all that and This is what they'll
say. Well, we have alpha boards. Why can't they
just use those? It's a it's a fair question Why
can't you just hold up a letter board? Hold up
the keyboard. Why can't they just use it? It's
because they can't control their motor. Their
motor has never been coached. So they just think
they're just going to get right into it? Right.
They think they can just hold it up and they
should just be able to do it when no one coaches
their motor. Now, let me offer a comparison.
Now, they also think if somebody like, for example,
Houston could spell with me, right? But then
somebody new sits down and tries to spell with
him and he can't do it with them and People are
like why he can't do it because I just tried
and he couldn't do it And I get I get really
frustrated when people take the board for me
and they're like, oh, I'll try it I'm like, I'm
sorry. Are you trained? This the equivalent of
someone who's never danced Trying to just step
in and do a complicated dance that the two of
them have been working on for years. It's not
going to translate because there's not that connection.
There is an energetic connection when two people
because they're depending on your emotional belief
in them. Whereas that person that just holds
up the board is like, prove it to me. And that
literally I can tell you what actually happens
in the body. What actually happens in the body
is what any of us would experience anxiety, right?
Yeah. That's what I was getting at. It's like,
I don't go communicating with everybody that
I see. Yeah. So it wouldn't translate. Well,
and the thing about anxiety is what does the
anxiety do in the brain? What does it do in the
body? Well, what it actually does is it triggers
the amygdala and the limbic system. And what
does that do? Well, that triggers essentially
a shutdown from the frontal lobe. It cuts off
access to the frontal lobe. Where's intentional
motor processed in the frontal lobe? Yeah. So
they've literally just done the one thing that
they can do to cut off access. Yeah. Congratulations.
They're going to limit it to those lower subcortical
reflexive systems. Yeah. So those are the you
know, those are the questions. Those are the
attacks Those are the you know the common questions
and they're there I don't I don't fault anyone
for having those questions because they're legitimate
questions What it shows is that they don't understand
the physiology or the disability And I'm happy
to explain that but when I explain it honor what
I've just shared with you, because it would be
the equivalent of someone explaining what it's
like to be blind, what it's like to not hear,
and that person trying to tell you what they
need. And then if you disregard it, that is such
an insult to that person. We don't like whenever
our ability to think and expand our thought and
our beliefs are offended. We want everything
to make sense of everything that we can fit into
a box. Well, we want it to match with our experience,
and we have a really hard time understanding
someone else's experience. Yeah. It's a big problem.
Earlier you mentioned eloping, and I was wondering
if when people can learn to spell, if I just
envision that this would help that because I
think maybe a big source of eloping and self
-injurious behavior too. is not being able to
convey their feelings. So, those are great questions.
Definitely reduced, for sure, but not eliminated.
And this kind of goes back to a couple of different
things. One is that we don't recognize what they're
experiencing all the time, right? because they're
just taking in so much more. So what happens
is there, Houston explained, he goes, sometimes
my senses become illuminated and it's so painful.
Well, so here I am, he can spell now, but that
still wasn't able to help whenever his senses
became more than he could handle. And in those
moments, they get very dysregulated and they
feel so disconnected from their body. And Houston
experienced it. It's like my spirit is trying
to catch my body. It's like my body has run off,
but my spirit can't catch it. And that's part
of the eloping, is this brain -body disconnect.
They are developed fully into their etheric body,
their spiritual body, and their physical body
is operating. It's like somebody turned it on
and let it loose. And so there's this wild disconnect
between the two. And that's why as a regulation
partner, I have to understand that and do everything
I can to create the environment where he doesn't
lose that connection. Back to that trust thing
as well. Yeah. There's a big problem with...
Autistic children eloping and being drawn to
water that you mentioned and drowning. Yeah,
it's so sad It is it's horrific now in the water
in Houston I thought did a beautiful job of explaining
what they feel but they're drawn to the water
Because they can feel their bodies it helps them
to connect back to their body because they can
feel their whole body at once The problem is
the very thing that gives them that piece and
they can feel they can feel this metaphysical
energy that's all around is they can actually
feel it in the water. It's greater than we have
the ability to experience, but they can experience.
And so they're desperately drawn to the water.
But of course, many times they can't swim. Yeah,
they can't swim. Because that's a highly, highly
complicated motor skill, and they are motor impaired.
Wow. I can't help but think of water is also,
especially natural water. There's so many bioelectric
signals being from the earth. The water is living.
The water has memory. The water is incredible.
We don't even understand how everything is energy.
And that's what people kind of miss. They think
we're machines and we're not. Everything's energy.
Thought is energy. Emotion is energy. Matter
is energy. That's what E equals MC squared means
is that energy and matter are the same thing
measured in different ways. Electrons and protons.
You mentioned electrons earlier. That's what
we are at the mitochondrial level. But that's
the whole thing is that we're spirit too. And
all matter comes from spirit. Matter is just
the slowest, most densest form of energy. And,
you know, have you ever like, lie down on a beautiful
blue sky day, and you can look and you can actually
see all the like, the little molecules and everything
moving and everything. And he said, he said,
you have no idea how much energy is in each one.
And they're all transferring information constantly.
And that's still somewhat physical because we
can actually somewhat barely visualize that.
What we don't recognize is that we as human beings
only process 4 % of the actual energy. See the
idea that in we could observe with our physical
senses with only 4 % of the information that
we could discern what is the full vast accuracy
of truth is really arrogant. Humans are arrogant
though. Yeah. We can even look at animals and
see that they sense more than we do. They are
way more connected to nature than us and we're
part of nature. Yeah, yeah. That's a big problem.
We've removed ourselves from nature. Humans are
the only people or species that say that we're
the most dominant. Specie and I don't I don't
think we were supposed to be like the way God
made us was to care for Not to dominate that
we were supposed to be the caretakers of earth
Houston talks about the lost love that That we
were supposed to love nature love creation love
the earth and that's this lost love and it's
like All creation is like crying out for us to
love nature, to love creation, to love God. Here's
the disconnect, right? Have you ever read C .S.
Lewis, The Abolition of Man? No. It's a good
book, but basically he talks about how basically
man like there's this like these primal forces
at work, right and Essentially that man in his
search for progress is actually going to destroy
itself and That's kind of like the point that
he's making is all these things that we think
are our progress are actually the elimination
of us And he makes some fantastic points. And
he's trying to get us to get back to, you know,
what is intrinsic about being a human being.
And that is in our, it's our spiritual nature.
And the thing about our spiritual nature is we
should be valuing what is good and not valuing
what is destructive. we should be able to recognize
those and stop one and seek the other. And that's
with doing the opposite. We're stopping what
is spiritual and good and we're seeking what
is destructive. And so there's this basically
this war between essentially the machine, everything
that's artificial, or everything that's living,
everything that's from God. And that is the that
is the war that is going on and you know, this
whole artificial movement is this essentially
this move to replace us To essentially eliminate
us and so what is the answer to the machine?
And of course absolutely rage against the machine
on all levels, but the answer to the machine
is life Everything living everything that is
true. Everything is good. Everything that comes
from God everything that is a that is biological,
that is from the earth, that is from humans,
that is from, you know, God, that he created
more and more and more and more of that. Instead,
we, you know, bulldoze forest and put up concrete,
you know, and we put all this EMF energy out
into not recognizing, not even caring that it
has horrific impact on on ecosystems and on human
beings. Yeah. Including us. Yeah. It's like we're
creating our own destruction. Yeah, yeah. That's
very accurate. That's exactly what we're doing.
How old was Houston whenever you first realized
about the telepathy? He was 21. It was not that
long after he had started communicating. It was
just like probably the next week, maybe two weeks.
And I couldn't figure out how he knew so much.
And I was like, do you just have like really
good hearing? I can hear thoughts. And I was
like, I didn't believe him. I mean, who would
believe that? Right. And so I started testing
him and he was 100%. And then I started testing
him without speaking, and he was answering my
questions without me speaking. How was that?
I mean, how did you, what was that like for you?
I immediately realized thought is a thing. Yeah.
It's energy. And so people don't under, you know,
the thing about if it's energy, it has to abide
by the laws of energy. The very first law of
energy is the law of conservation. That nothing
is created or destroyed. It is only transferred.
So we need to be taking all everything and transferring
it to what's good. That's the shift that has
to happen. And when Houston talks about like
world, world change is possible. Like this is
really why this is why they are here. They are
here for this extraordinary purpose to not just
get us to like look good on the outside and still
be rotten on the inside They're they're trying
to show us that the idea of privacy is an illusion
That all our thoughts are already known. They
are real. They are working They're doing what
we're thinking and we need to change our thoughts
and take every thought captive and make it obedient
to the love and the Word of God And then we can
actually start to see the profound change. Mood
follows action. How we're acting will determine
our thoughts. Huh. Well, actually, our thoughts
can determine our actions. Yeah, definitely.
But we tend to be reactive. and let our situations
influence our thoughts. Instead of saying, I
see this really bad situation. What promise of
God can I take and apply to this situation? I'm
going to disregard the situation and I'm going
to instead apply the truth of God to this situation.
Keeps us on track. Temptation. Yes, it is. Doubt
is the greatest temptation. Matthew four. Yeah.
Matthew four. So since you learned about the
telepathy, has that helped? Can you just explain
to me about what that's like now and how it's
changed your guys's life? Well, there's no privacy.
Yeah. It has made me utterly and completely take
ownership of my thoughts. So that has had a profound
impact on my life. Almost like in 100 % positive
way. Yes. Yes. Right. I think it's a wonderful
thing. I think it's the best thing that could
possibly have happened to me. Wow. Yeah, I mean
I think all of us are okay with God knowing that
we have really rotten thoughts when we shouldn't
be We should be going God that dishonors you.
I don't I don't want that thought in your world
I don't want that thought in me. I want everything
I do to honor you And I fail. I mean, I please
don't think that I've got this under like I fail
at it every single day Oh, we all do right, but
I don't want to yeah And I think that's big,
your desire and intent. And so now when I fail,
I'm like, okay, wait, what was the lie I've just
believed? What lie did I just believe? Identify
the lie, cast it out, get rid of it, and go,
what's the truth? What truth do I need to apply
instead? And then do that. And I'm doing that
all day long. And there's some things that I
struggle with more, like loneliness is really
hard, right? And autism is incredibly isolating
and we have to be, we don't get to do a lot.
And of course, because I have to care for him
full time and work full time, I've got, there's
not a lot of resources, right? That's a lie.
That is a lie. It's an accurate representation
of the current framework, but it is not a belief
that I should ever hold on to. The reality is
he's Jehovah Jireh, the Lord supplies all my
needs. The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.
So what am I to do in this situation? I am to
believe. I am to go, Lord, you know I need this.
I know you supply all my needs. I know this is
a need that's in your will. Of course you want
me to have what I need. Of course you do. You
love me. You're my father. And so I have to,
instead of looking at the angst, replace it with,
yes, the angst is here. And I don't let that
tell me what to think. I let your word tell me
what to think. Has to be the ultimate accountability.
You can shorten that lag time of like, you recognize
a problem. Instead of just letting it go unresolved
and closing that loop, not fixing it, you get
it right there. I do. And I will say that that
has a powerful impact. I talk to other people
who haven't gotten there yet, and I can see it's
almost like they're mired down in this mud pit,
where they can't... get out like molasses, right?
Like molasses swamp, right? You know, kind of
like candy land. Whereas, that's what's so incredibly
powerful about, you know, taking ownership of
your thoughts. You're like, Nope, I'm out. I'm
not getting I'm sorry. I'm not saying in this.
No, you don't have me. You don't own me. I'm
my father's child. You know, and we of course,
we're constantly being attacked because the enemy
does not want us to believe God. That is the
original sin. The original sin was doubting God.
And why do people, people are like, why is faith
so important? I'm like, well, look at the original
sin. It was doubt. I mean, faith is trusting
that God has every single thing that you need,
that no matter, even though it might take a very
long time, you know, and that gets scary and
you get lonely and you get worried that That
worry and that fear is not the answer the answer
in that waiting is to keep At it keep believing
keep knocking at the door keep persisting keep
saying no No to the enemy. No Yeah, my god says
this I will not listen to you. I will listen
to my father Yeah, and that was a habit too.
So you'll you become more of that? Just like
if you wouldn't resolve it you would just let
it go, you become more of that. Which is why
I went into that pit of despair for so long,
because I did let those thoughts take over. And
once I let doubt in, because the first, the prayer
that I was believing so strongly was, you know,
all things work together for good of those who
love God who are called according to His purpose.
And then when I believed that I doubted that
there was any way God could keep that promise.
And my specific thought was about the feces.
Here, I'm cleaning up all these feces. And I
couldn't believe because there was too much of
it. I'm like, I could believe that you could
make one or two or three or four. But I'm like,
this is five to eight times a day for years.
There's no way that you could bring all this
feces for good. You can't do it. It's not possible.
And so I started doubting God. And that's when
the fear came in. It was like, once that fear
came in, it was like, I couldn't get out from
under it. And when Houston first started communicating,
one of the very first things he said to me, and
mind you, I'm a sweet, loving person. I really
am. One of the first things he said to me was,
all your thoughts are rotten. that killed me
because I was such a, like in my thought, if
I'm sweet and nice and kind and good, like, but
it wasn't because my thoughts were all fear,
all doubt, all despair. And he said, and it was
my, it was my doubt. And he said, you are literally
destroying the very things you're praying for
with your doubt. So we think that like, we, we
don't think like, we don't realize that like,
just like faith, works, so does doubt. Yeah,
it's like the antidote. And so, I mean, that's
why we have to completely and utterly and totally
reject it. Anyway, you look at the Word of God
and it's like, do not fear, do not doubt, do
not fear, do not doubt. It's like every single,
there's 365 times I think it says where it says
do not fear, like one for every day of the year,
right? Do not fear, do not fear. The answer to
every single thing is trust God. Do not lean
on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge
Him and He will direct your paths. Trust in Lord
with all your heart. Lean not on your own understanding.
And our understanding is what we see. And here
I am 25 years later and I'm telling you that
I thought there was no way that God could bring
good from all of that. feces and I am telling
you that I was wrong and God has brought more
good than I could possibly ever have even imagined
from all of that feces So Someone wrote it did
a review and they said that these people but
after what they have experienced Can have an
undeniable? Trust in the goodness of God. Who
am I to doubt it? And I stand by that. God is
good. No matter how bad it is, God is good. Well
said, Katie. I actually have to get going now
because I've got to get Houston to his next therapy.
I'm glad he popped in. I know, I am too. He also
popped open several cokes. I heard them. He snuck
into the garage and got him his brother's stash.
I'm forever grateful for our conversation. Oh,
thank you. I thank you for having me. Can you
let us know how to contact you? Yeah, let me
show everybody. So this is the book, the Book
of Heaven. If my daughter is, I know everybody
asks this question, she is making an audio book.
Close to being done. I don't have a date. She
asked me to stop asking her for a date. I am
on X, capital K, capital T, capital A. It's Asher5.
I have Asher House Hope on Instagram and TikTok.
And I'm on Facebook and I have an email address
in the book. It's asherhouse .hope. Uh, at gmail
.com. I'm I obviously I work full time and take
care of Houston full time. I do my best to reply
to people. Uh, if I don't, it's not because I
am not trying. It's just cause I've got a lot
on me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. Yeah.
Thank you, Ryan. It's really nice to be here.
Yeah. Do I need to stay on longer for it to like
update or anything? No. Once you, once you stop
it should be fine. All right. You have a great
day. Thanks. You too. Bye -bye.