My guest today is John Coates. John is the founder
of RF Safe, and he is on a mission from a personal
commitment to understand and educate the harms
of non -native electromagnetic fields, non -native
EMFs. These are man -made frequencies that are
created and added to our natural environment.
John will take us through his personal story.
and his findings from his life's work on the
concerning topic in our modern world. By the
end of the episode, you can see the genuine passion
John has for this topic. We hope you find useful
information on everyday products such as cell
phones, computers, microwaves, routers, and Wi
-Fi. In addition, John tells us about an alternative
to Wi -Fi. or wireless fidelity called LIFI,
light fidelity. John also educates us about regulations
and neglect of our health concerning these non
-native EMFs. We will learn about cell phone
towers next to school buildings and section 704,
which prevents people from questioning health
concerns about these changes across our society.
This is very concerning. Please see the show
notes for John's website at RFsafe. You can search
the largest database on these topics, take quizzes
to help you learn about these topics, and stay
up to date about any changes. Before we begin,
please see the show notes for links to Daylight
Computer Company and Chroma Light Devices. Both
of these products puts Human health first. And
that's very important, very important for me.
And now my conversation with my friend, John
Coates. John, I'm super excited. Let's start
with you explaining how you got into your company
RF Safe and what your mission is about. Well,
it started with a promise to my firstborn daughter
that I lost to a neural tube disorder in 95.
Basically, my wife worked in an environment where
there was a lot of high EMFs. Then there was
a study that came out two years after I lost
her that attributed microwave radiation to that
type of a neural tube disorder. The that that
basically once there was a study that actually
attributed to it. I mean, there was just no video.
I had to, you know, look into it and I looked
into it for for years afterwards. And it's just
been a constant endeavor ever since. And, you
know, I've dedicated my life into fighting the
what I call I've coined entropic waste. A lot
of people call it a lot of things, but. when
you really look at kind of what it is and you
look at the fact that, you know, matter at its
most, you know, lowest level are still fields
of energy and, you know, it's energy and information
everywhere. And if you add, you know, a disorder
to it, you know, it's in my opinion that energy
is in tropic waste. It's just in a pollution
that we just can't see that's adding energy,
you know, and confusion and disorder. bioelectric
dissonance, I guess, if you will, to a living
system. And so I've dedicated my life to one
understanding what it is and how it is that EMFs
affected my daughter's pregnancy, or my wife
and my daughter's pregnancy at the time, or pregnancy
with my daughter. I'm sorry, I don't really talk
about this stuff really that often. When it comes
down to it, that particular event in my life
changed my life forever and I just couldn't go
back to really doing anything else. I was definitely
involved in engineering and things like that
from a very young age. And, you know, I had a
coach tire and auto and right outside of Aspen,
Colorado in Glenwood Springs and Aspen limousine
is also another service that we ran, you know,
that I owned with Mark Freiberg back then. But,
you know, so I was able to put a lot of time
and resources into this in the early 90s. And
that's where, you know, cell phones were just
coming out at the time. uh... you know but uh...
it did just kind of skipped a year we really
didn't start with anything with cell phones it
was you know pregnancy apparel uh... you know
belly bands uh... you know with uh... as i was
mentioning with emu metal and and things like
that uh... just to shielded the torso when there
was you know high mf environment and uh... But
as cell phones became popular, it became apparent
to me that they were radiating just way too much
energy into the torso, especially if it was just
like right there in a handbag or a purse and,
you know, it was just sitting there and, you
know, ladies just aren't even going to think
about it. They don't even know. And one of the
things about the birth defect that took the life
of my first -born daughter is, you know, it happens
in like the first three weeks of pregnancy. Now,
you know, a lot of women might not even know
that they're really even pregnant in three weeks.
So, I mean, they're not going to know to take
those extra precautions. And it's just a stage
in life which is just too fragile to where if
the electromagnetic balance gets mixed up and
corrupted in the process, then bad things are
going to happen. And so it was just I ended up
making an antenna design that I thought was better.
drew it from nature you know just interference
of waves like two pebbles in a pond you know
when the waves come together they cancel each
other out so i just you know we tried the idea
of you know making a an antenna that had two
elements rather than one essentially and you
know and that's what it did is it created a wave
pattern it cancelled out the rf and while it
was super effective and it totally did what i
wanted it to do it was illegal nobody would Talk
to me about it, because it violated what was
called an isostropic rule at the time. And I
invented this antenna in 1998, so it took a long
time. It took until 2003 to even get the rule
changed. And so the antenna, well, very effective.
One thing that it did do, besides limit the amount
of radiation that was going into the user, but
if You had a hearing aid back in the old days
like you might remember it like if you waved
your phone by a speaker how it would make like
a static noise like a bull. Well now you could
only imagine if you had a hearing aid that that
whole rumbling noise would happen inside of your
eardrum. So it's not very comfortable at all.
As a matter of fact back then it used to go by
a name of motorboating because people that it
would sound like a motorboat like a bull you
know like when a cell phone got near their hearing
aid. So it essentially made cell phones and hearing
aids like 100 % incompatible in the early 2000s.
Now there were high priced alternatives, but
those weren't the ones that most people could
afford. And so because it changed the patterns
in the intensity of the radiation going toward
the head, it also cured the problem for hearing
aids at the same time. You know, Jim Johnson,
you know, teamed up with the hearing aid, hard
to hearing groups and things and demonstrated
that the technology was available. And then they
leveraged the Americans with Disabilities Act
because the Americans with Disabilities Act says
that, you know, if the technology is available
to allow handicapped people to have the same
access to everything else that everybody else
does, then the federal government has to support
it. And essentially, that's what changed the
isotropic rule was the Americans with Disabilities
Act for the Hard of Hearing, which allowed for
the antenna that I invented back in 1998 to even
be considered. But it was a big breakthrough
because it was a change in policy. And it's not
often that you get to change a policy. The environment
of the pregnant mother, I can't speak about that
enough. This is so huge for a lot of our conditions
for children, including autism. The number one
problem, I think, is the environment of the mother
through pregnancy. Because you know that it's
at three weeks, and we're already developing
the central nervous system and the peripheral
nervous system and the enteric nervous system.
You're so right. It's that environment and and
and that's where I Feel that we're through the
EMFs. We've created a low fidelity environment
and nature needs high fidelity You know and through
this entropic waste that's absorbed into our
bodies and you know in those very, very critical
moments. They're so critical. And I don't think
just nobody gets it in, you know, like the World
Health Organization just came out with their
update, a revision to their previous announcement
on nail fertility, for instance. But they just
showed, for instance, that there's a definite
now with the inclusion of one study that was
certainly very high SAR. But there was even good
correlation even when they removed that high
SAR study. But with the high SAR study, it actually
showed that it was a 68 % decrease in being able
to even have a pregnancy. And that's coming straight
from the World Health Organization. That was
just out yesterday. um you know and uh you know
so i mean you know there's just all these times
up to even pre -pregnancy even right before conception
and even during conception and and then the months
the entire pregnancy and then the throughout
the whole life of the child um we just can't
pollute their bodies with this this uh because
this energy is permeating their bodies i mean
entirely i mean and it is causing a uh And what
I kinda think is the easiest way to frame it
is a low fidelity environment where the instructions
of your internal biological genetically programmed
self aren't able to execute as they're supposed
to. And that creates the... you know that that
environment which like you just mentioned is
just so critical and i don't think people get
it enough and and that's why i don't support
so many even emf radiation shields for laptops
and things like that i wouldn't dream of selling
somebody a flat piece of shielding to put underneath
of their computer to shield their femur bone
while enticing them to bring the microwave transmitter
up closer to the abdomen and torso I mean, it's
the most ridiculous product in the world if you
care about a baby. You know, you can't entice
somebody with a with shielding to protect the
biggest bone in your body to actually bring the
transmitter right up to the belly. No, you know,
you got to have enough sense in this industry
to know when you're making a product that's actually
going to endanger the most vulnerable amongst
us, you know, and. You know, so say yeah, I mean
there is just such a critical time in in in not
enough people And even the people that say that
they're helping but like by selling laptop shields
and things like that. They're they're making
the problem worse, you know Profit, you know
the data are so impressive on Since we're talking
about cell phones right now Like let's say a
four five year old having a cell phone up to
their ear. It just implicates the whole brain
versus a teenager young adult it's like half
the brain and then an adult it's just this area
right here so if you had imagined that four or
five year old just getting all of that throughout
their whole skull and brain what it's doing to
the little neural tube it's very small neural
tube or crest whatever whatever the stage of
development is is massive and very concerning
it's disgusting really to think about how This
is being avoided. That's right. That's right.
And it's for good reason because they've buried
it. Like this is the most censored topic on the
planet. And I say that with confidence. And you
know why? Because nobody else has an unconstitutional
law signed in 1996. Section 704 of the Americans,
or I'm sorry, with the Telecommunications Act
of 1996. And Bill Clinton signed that into law.
And there is nobody else can say that their cause
literally has a law written that says you cannot
protest this particular threat on the grounds
of health hazards. Like they rule out like you
cannot protest the installment of something on
the grounds of health hazards. Now, they say
is because as long as it complies with the FCC,
then you cannot. You cannot protest it, right?
But we know very well from even RFK's lawsuit
from 2021, where the Court of Appeals ruled that,
you know, that essentially they had not proved
why they even relied on justice guidelines, because
it just doesn't match up with reality. And what
it does match up with is 1982. It matches up
with ANSI 95 .1 -1982. And that's a standard
for thermal -only guidelines that were made by
just engineers. No doctors had anything to do
with this guideline. And it was the guideline
that they used to launch cordless phones in the
country, in the 40 and 50 megahertz range. And
this was a point in time where cell phones were,
you know, very expensive and literally only upper
class families had not cell phones, but cordless
phones in these early, early days. Um, and, uh,
and interesting enough what, when we look at
not to change it, we won't, maybe we'll come
back to that, but, you know, the, the point being
that this standard was made to launch cordless
phones in the very early days of wireless in
the early eighties. And then it was later adopted
as the, as the. golden rule in nineteen ninety
six but they still had no input from medical
authorities on on this exposure like no no none
there were letters of concern that came from
the e p a uh... the e p a did a big letter and
and uh... uh... it was the the earliest year
some of the earliest ones were nineteen eighty
four uh... you know it and in those same years
we had like military uh... your feedback uh...
author guy uh... his name was uh... but he was
with the uh... air force uh... nineteen eighty
four and i was a five -year study says it was
a lot of research even then they showed that
there were non -thermal risk involved uh... you
know in a matter of fact even much more that
the ctia which is that the only in the government
so i'm sorry the industry's own You know trade
group they they did a 25 million dollar study
and George Carlos of course basically alluded
to cancer and other non -thermal risk and he
was fired in the CTI buried it and you know,
so the either was tons of proof that that these
particular exposures of RF had non -thermal risk
involved and and yet Nobody has challenged the
authority of a rule that was basically assembled
in the 1980s based off of much earlier radar
studies that were, you know, only, you know,
an engineering guess on what would be dangerous
at a thermal level is just, it's absurd. But
because there is no, we're essentially, and then
to think that same year that that that that guideline
was put into place that was nineteen ninety six
in the first year when that was put into place
this same year section seven of four was signed
you know that's not a that's not a any other
in the e p a was essentially that's looking into
doing more research but the uh... you know uh...
the fcc took over the the e p a got defunded
and uh... you know Nobody ever questioned anything
unconstitutional laws protect them And there's
no doubt that it's unconstitutional I mean you
think about it like right now my daughter is
at school and you know She is in first grade
and there's literally a cell phone tower. That's
465 feet away from her That if you look at what
the bio initiative report says that thing should
be 1 ,500 feet that's what the international
body of scientists are saying but yet because
that thing is 465 feet, it's against the law
for me to challenge that thing being 465 feet
on health grounds. That is against the law in
America. It sounds absurd, but it is. And that's
why it's the most censored topic on earth, because
the government literally has unconstitutional
laws suppressing it. If that law wasn't there,
think about it. I could hire a doctor, a specialist
to go in front of my city council and protest
that tower. But I can't do that. They don't even
allow it. It's just that they can get sued for
allowing it. So one question, is that section
704 that Clinton signed that you said you can't
protest this on the grounds of health? Concerns.
Yes, that is exactly. That is 100 % quote unquote.
That is what's there. That is the reality in
America today. You know that you cannot protect
your children. That is so concerning and it's
deliberate that the wording of that it kind of
reminds me of the 1986 safety acts for the vaccines.
It's like the same thing. They're just protecting.
Yeah. You mentioned military I just want to make
a quick comment that Tristan from daylight computer
company They're really good on this type of stuff.
He's been mentioning a guy named David fray from
like 1975 the military Study this like through
the 50s 60s and 70s and so forth But the follow
-up question I have is do you think They're protecting
this these harms or what they might know about
this because of the infrastructure of our modern
life? Well, we certainly have what I think is
borderline a Sherman violation of a Sherman Act
because the government is propping up an industry,
the microwave technology industry. And there's
certainly things that are in place that make
it unfair. Because it makes it unfair against
even just the evolution. Because I believe that
if we were free to protest these things, then
we were free to make safer technology out of
the demand. Because if people were aware, they
would want safer technology. And the fact is,
The safer technology is here, but we actually
have it. And we can transition from the microwave
age now to the light age. That's totally doable.
I have patents in that realm right now with advanced
live by networks. And you know, and so it's very,
we have to start mandating life. I like that
I'd say that the big call to action is, you know,
repeal section 704 to give us back our rights
to protect our children. That's number one that
that should have never been taken away. And next
to that there was a law that was created in 1968,
which was a public law 90 -602. And that law
actually mandated that we continuously research
radiation emitting products. That's what it is.
That's what that calls for. And that's what cell
phones are. That's what routers are. That's what
all these gadgets that we have are. But guess
where this public law 90 -602 is? It's shelved.
And that is a real law. It's not a suggestion.
It's actually enacted by Congress that we have
to do this. This is a mandate. When you see that
the national toxicology program during the Biden
administration during 2024 Notifies the world
that they're gonna no longer do any more research
because they don't have the funding Well, that
is what you call a blatant violation of public
law 90 -602 that that is a violation of that
that that law And so we're not following the
law. We have unconstitutional laws And it's allowing
for a level of corporate capture that is, you
know, it's monumental. It's almost like they
have control. Because it's like, what don't they
have control of if they actually have unconstitutional
laws on the books? Like, they have control of
it all. It's not just the companies in our land.
They have control of our law. You know, so it's
much deeper than corporate capture. It's country
capture. Yeah. As you were talking about that
funding, my mind just instantly went with all
this scam with USAID that was reveals. Like we
have the funding. It's so disgusting to me. But.
Oh, shoot. I forgot what I was going to say after
that, because I was so irritated about that funding
comment. I don't remember. That's okay. But you
know, so yeah, I mean, it's definitely it's a
very censored topic. There's so many things that
are just wrong constitutionally. uh... regulatory
wise i mean in all honesty the f d f c c should
be stripped of their i mean i hear everybody
say oh let's update the f c c guidelines will
first you can't call them updated because if
you say update you're you're getting some sort
of credibility to the fact that they might have
been legitimate at one time Okay, but they were
never legitimate at one time so you can't use
the word update for something that was completely
fraudulent to begin with there was too much evidence
already available when it was adopted and that's
why we should have there should be some sort
of a congressional investigation in how we got
so captured because You know, it just doesn't
make any sense that it was ever allowed to happen
and that we are allowed to to externalize this
cost onto our children. And because that's exactly
what's happened here, you know, they've gotten
away with essentially murder. And I mean, we
just got it. We've just got to follow through.
I mean, we got it. We got to get our rights back,
repeal Section 704, which Trump could do with
a sign of a pen. You know, I mean, that could
be done just a swipe of a pen. And, you know,
and we have I know this gets controversial with
a lot of the people within the community. But
when I'm faced with a cell tower that's four
hundred and sixty five feet away from my daughter
at school versus a space based satellite, you
just. Factoring in the inverse square law of
distance. I would much rather have her exposed
to a satellite You know from space than I would
that tower infrastructure. That's right next
to her school and on top of that You know, there's
building healthy building biology people out
there and you know And you could you can you
can definitely protect structures a lot easier
if it's coming from space. I mean You know, you
can just add a metal roof. Metal roofs even look
cool, you know, you know, and they stand up well.
And, you know, you look on Twitter and they even
say that the blue ones seem to last even better.
I don't know. You've seen the blue roof seem
to last through the fires or whatever. But bottom
line, you know, I would rather see this infrastructure
put in space and properly studied without all
these smoke and mirrors that we get. and start
dismantling some of this infrastructure. Because
I think we could ultimately reduce our burden
of these microwaves and entropic waste by orders
of magnitude probably within five years if it
was properly mandated. And it wouldn't be bad
for industry because the automotive industry
went through the same thing in the 1970s, right?
We figured out that lead wasn't good to have
in the gas and we had to start raining in the
emissions, right? And what did we do? We didn't
say, you know, we're going to outlaw driving
or this, that and the other. What we did is we
put mandates on the vehicles. We said, no, you
have to get your emission levels to this level
by this date. And that's what it is, because
that's the only way that we're going to have
healthy children. and and that's essentially
what we have to do to the wireless industries
emissions that we have to put the same types
of mandates and and by doing that is so easy
because you just mandate life i you know in in
your life base communications over over michael
a base communications and and Then you don't
have that penetration of that. I mean then we're
talking skinned skin deep versus You know going
all the way through your child's brain like you're
saying the five -year -olds getting you know
300 % more radiation than the adult is you know
and you know, so there's a In a matter of fact
the iPhone you can you can look it up and Google
it But I've been has been working on live. I
implement implementing live. I sense 2016 i think
it is you know so i mean you google it to check
yourself but this is in the ios system so it's
not gonna take them very much in order to basically
pop the little l .e .d. in there and you're gonna
have a life i enabled iphone and you know and
that's gonna and that would just cut on when
it's available and it's like some people say
like oh no you know it's only line of sight this
that and the other well it's a little bit better
than that but the end result is it would only
work when you are in that area so little by little
as there was more and more coverage of li -fi
your phone would be on li -fi more often and
then as it gets more and more and more mature
you know eventually they'll be coffee shops that
have turned in their Wi -Fi signs for li -fi
signs Um, you know, and then little by little,
the world just is under less and less exposure
of microwaves. And that's what we have to start
shooting for because nowhere in nature was there
a microwave before Hertz made it. Um, you know,
and, uh, in, in that's that it's a very disruptive,
um, thing to it, to the natural environment.
Like I said, we require a high fidelity and environment
in order to have healthy children and to be healthy
ourselves. And to deprive us of that and to deprive
our children of that is just going to be continued
to like no matter what you do, like we're not
going to have healthier children just because
we took food dyes out of food. But we're, you
know, because I can choose. What I feed my little
girl, you know what I mean? I'm not feeding her
colored Cheerios anyway. So it really doesn't
even matter to me. What does matter to me is
there's nothing I can do about the stuff that's
hurting her because you've made laws in America
that prevent me from protecting my child. And
I've already lost one child. I mean, how many
children do I have to give up? I'm going to keep
fighting. I'm going to fight. I'm going to fight
for, I'm going to fight for my daughter in heaven
and my daughter on this earth, you know, and
I'm going to keep fighting, you know. I worked
in an elementary school for three semesters,
so a year and a half. And it was pre -K through
sixth grade. And I was completely shocked about
how many kindergartners and first graders are
just flipping out like acute psychosis, throwing
desks, chairs, flipping over books, bookcases,
kicking and biting staff. If you go into your
local elementary school and then ask them, they're
going to confirm that story. And then you can
ask them, how are behaviors the last 10, 15 years?
And they're all going to say, it's getting so
bad, so bad, and nobody's doing anything about
it. Because I think they don't. I don't know.
I don't know why, but well, I mean, you're really
close with the all the light activists and everything,
you know, and I mean, that's a big part of it.
I mean, there's just, you know, and it's so I'm
so glad to see the light activists come onto
the scene because, you know, that energy balance
is so important and nobody's care. Nobody's paying
attention to that, that energy, you know, in
it. That's what we aren't just I mean, we are
energy. And when we realize that, you know, that's
when we're starting to make big steps forward.
And when we get our environment back under control,
better lighting than what the kids have. I mean,
I've read studies where classrooms have been
mayhem, like you were saying, and then all of
a sudden they put better lighting inside of the
room. And then all of a sudden the students are
showing like, you know, night and day different
environments. But on top of that today, though,
you know, but those studies were even things
I was thinking of that happened, you know, that
I was reading from some time ago. But now they
have, you know, mandatory Here's your tablet.
Here's your your Wi -Fi router. That's right
in every single room with your 30 tablets connected
to it You know, and it's just such a horrible
environment and if people can see and smell or
taste microwaves It would be the worst nastiest
place in the world. You just wouldn't you wouldn't
want to ever walk through it I'm envisioning
like apocalyptic type environments, right? Yeah,
and it really is. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I've
seen, I've heard and seen like school districts
be proud of implementing these like cheaper technology
devices and the LED lighting because it saves
them X amount of money. And then at the same
time, they're like, what are we going to do with
all these? Outstanding behaviors. How are we
gonna release kids in so they'll add like social
workers students service workers and it's just
like no They always say they don't have enough
services and providers. It's like no, that's
not it. It's your environment sucks. Yeah Oh,
and it's horrible I mean when you look at it
because then like even with like, you know Whatever
people's opinions are on the viruses and things
like that But I can tell you what the the worst
place in the world you would ever want to be
um is a school that you know the ventilation
and the the just the air quality inside of there
i mean it's uh i mean i i dread between the tower
and then and just how they care about the children's
health it just you they surely build them in
well with fences all around them but that doesn't
seem to do anything you know and the real threat
is just the air in their in their environment
um you know and and quite honestly if the air
in the environment help them develop a little
bit better and they weren't going crazy in school
and they were maybe maybe they maybe not go crazy
all the time crazy you know i don't know but
uh but but yeah the the environment there even
the em environment light environment the germ
environment i mean they just aren't really taking
good care of our kids that they could do so much
better because what one of the things that we
learned during the pandemic was about far uv
light and that's You know, it's harmless to skin
and and and we could be cleaning the air of viruses
in real time and You know, I did a lot of work
in that and of course I even implemented that
into the life I system but Yes, because it's
so remarkable. It's like if you really want to
protect our children You would just you know,
you would clean up the environment, you know
That's it You know since you mentioned life I
I'm planning on asking and I didn't have very
many questions because this is so new and you're
just a genius about this stuff. Let's talk about
Lifi and since you mentioned Hertz, let's go
back to Hertz, his life and then just like maybe
almost in like a chronological order get up to
why we're here and what's going on. Well, as
we were pointing out from the little charts and
everything that I threw together last night was,
along with some other very first, like Alzheimer's
was first discovered right outside of Frankfurt.
And of course, Hertz himself, which is the founder
of the electromagnetic wave, I guess you could
say, he set out to prove Maxwell's equations,
and he did. In a matter of fact, he's quoted
as saying that, you know, because they asked
him what he thought the significance of it was,
and he actually said nothing. He said he thought
it was nothing except for it proved that there
was something invisible there that you couldn't
see with your eyes. And it proved Maxwell's equations.
And, you know, so it's definitely, you know,
a time in which right before that, we never had
anything but you know 7 .83 Hertz that Schumann
Renaissance that everybody talks about and now
that Schumann Renaissance gets a little bit twisted
though sometimes because I think I think it's
I think it's pretty obvious that life evolved
and much of what makes us today evolved even
prior to the great oxygenation event. And with
that in mind, that means that we didn't have
exposure to Schumann Renaissance until after
biology or life had been on Earth for maybe 500
million years, maybe even a billion years. So
I don't think, and this kind of lends to my theory
that no frequencies are really native to life
except for the sun. You know, because especially
in a water environment, these particular fields
are almost non -existent. You know, as far as
the electromagnetic propagating waves. And I
do believe that, you know, ever since the ozone
layer has been created, there has been a steady
7 .83 Hertz. And I do believe that we evolved.
to that. I don't think that the 7 .83 hertz does
anything beneficial to us except for the fact
that we evolved to it because it was here. It's
not responsible or critical for anything in life,
but the reason why I would say that our 8 megahertz
or 8 hertz waves come in very close to our, you
know, it's our most relaxed state of mind. I
think that's pretty obvious that we pick that
up on the earth. It would only make sense from
an evolutionary point of view that you would
be at the most rest when the earth was at its
most rest. And the only time that the earth would
not be at 7 .83 Hertz is if something geographical
was going on, bad storms, earthquakes, volcanoes,
whatever. But that would have alerted early humans
to there being a problem and they needed to be
more alert. So I would say that the 7 .83 Hertz
probably served as a beacon of Earth's stability
to early humans for an advantage for life. And
lots of animals already use low frequency ELF.
Catfish use it to navigate muddy waters. So life
utilizes these frequencies already. So it would
only make sense that our brainwaves would synchronize
in our most calm state when the earth was at
most calm. And so I do think that, OK, sure,
if you want to expose yourself to 7 .83 Hertz,
but it's not like it's going to medically induce
something positive, except it might help you
synchronize your brain to a more relaxed state
that would be beneficial for your health. And
therefore, if you I do 100 % believe that if
your mind is in the state of mind for healing,
you can heal. And you're not going to do that
under the stress responses if you're out of that.
So anyway, that just lends to the fact that I
don't think any electromagnetic radio waves or
microwaves are really important for life. Even
the 7 .83 Hertz, I think it's just something
that we evolved with and we evolved to use it
and because that's what life does. But I don't
think it's critical for life, which a lot of
people would believe. They believe that we have
to like absorb this frequency and it's this,
but I don't believe that because we were here
or most of what makes us was already here long
before that frequency was here. So I don't see
where it could be that critical. except for a
state of mind, you know, to help maybe to bring
that into your more relaxed state. But, you know,
but that's my theory. So, you know, a lot of
people could certainly say that is wrong, but
I also don't see any evidence of it being much
else than that. You know, because we did exist
way before a lot of this, you know, our mitochondria
and red blood cells and things that make us up
like that were already in the ocean long before
that ever happened. You know that makes sense
because uh like the delta alpha theta beta And
then the low gamma high gamma all these different
waves and oscillations going on kind of Determine
our mood or our consciousness and just our our
life You know with within the mind the mental
areas. Yeah Yeah, and so but with that in mind,
it just makes me feel that there's no real native
EMF. I mean, we've learned to evolve with 7 .83
Hertz, but it's been consistent, and it's been
here forever. So we evolved to that. That works.
OK, but there has been no evolving for microwaves.
So we're talking about this just happened with
Heimann -Hertz. And that's where we were touching
base in the 1890s and late 1880s, where he was
making his first spark gap, things to make his
first transmission of transverse waves and things
like that. You know, but interesting enough that
he ends up with these sinus issues and headaches,
and he's, you know, writing letters back to his
parents, you know, basically describing what
modern people claim today is the electromagnetic
hypersensitivity, you know, headaches and sinus
pains. And it was only, and this guy went in
really healthy. um and there was no history of
childhood illnesses or anything so he was all
history books show him as being a very very healthy
person right up until the time that he started
messing with the electromagnetic waves and um
and literally to think that he ends up contracting
a autoimmune disease which had never been recorded
before it's not even a recorded medical condition
when he gets it when he gets it And it's not
until another three decades later that once the
rest of Germany is exposed to these same radio
waves or Hertzian waves at a time, finally someone
else, but only in Germany, gets the same autoimmune
disease. So the guy discovers that in 1936 that
disease gets a name. um gpa and the i'm not going
to be able to pronounce it right so i'll stick
with what they call the gpa but it's an autoimmune
disease and um and uh in and yeah the second
person to get it where it officially gets registered
in in the books comes from also frankfurt area
um and it doesn't happen in any other part of
the world it happens only with the small group
in the population of the world that's it that's
exposed to microwave rate or to radio wave you
know frequencies radiation And, you know, so
that's an interesting point. And then, of course,
the fact that the first Alzheimer's patient comes
from the exact same area as well seems a little
bit coincidental in the fact that that happened.
You know, because we do have a lot of studies
that are indicating that there could be mechanisms
that could trigger these conditions, especially
with those that are predispositions in any way.
You know, so so yeah, so so in that early in
the early 1800 or late 1800s in early 1900s we
unleashed a Any any died in just a few years
after you know, so I mean, you know, it was a
pretty severe autoimmune disorder that he had
and And I think it's like two out of a million
people have that disorder today So it's extremely
extremely rare um you know so that just makes
it more odd that it would he would be the first
one to ever get it even before it was ever diagnosed
you know um but uh but you know that was it as
a theory that i kind of just had last night and
kind of shared with people but when you look
at the facts that it all kind of fits so i think
somebody might want to say it you know that Alzheimer's
patient is very curious too because Alzheimer's
didn't get a medical Name until 1911 and then
at the same time in these 19 teens type 1 diabetes
was really really bad and then Autism hit in
mid 1930s You know technically with the first
patient the lady that would be called patient
zero Augusta I think her name was but she was
admitted into the hospital in 1901 and she lived
in Frankfurt um and uh and i think his first
paper was uh where he described her condition
in this early onset you know because it had been
heard of before but with 70 and 80 year olds
not not you know 45 year olds um you know so
i but i think he made that distinction of this
uh in like the 1906 but and even with it being
that early it still lines up with the fact that
she would have been exposed to to radio waves
for a good maybe 15 to 10 years prior to her
diagnosis, you know, so accelerates it. Yeah,
yeah. And I think that's what we can easily see
the rates of these various dementias. Now we
have so many dementias, by the way, you know,
people, they're just increasing so much. And
the age of onset is decreasing. And it's the
same as autism. The mother of the canner kids
were like college professors and head nurses
and things like teachers and they were professional
is what they were like nine out of the eleven
had college graduates and the other two that
didn't have a college degree were like administrative
assistants so they were indoors all the time
and they come from wealthy families so the grandparents
of the canner kids they had I'm just imagining
I have no way of knowing that their houses were
fully equipped modernized for that time. And
I've this something about that just sticks with
me. I think there's a lot there. But yeah, that
was a kind of a cypher I wanted to just mention.
So after what from Frankfurt, how does it go
on from there? Well, I mean, shortly after that,
you got Malconi sending signals across the ocean
and everything is going full steam from there.
And there's never any idea about health effects,
even though seemingly a lot of new diseases pop
up around where the wireless does. It's founder
dies just shortly after the guy that first makes
the first radio waves. And it's crazy that no
history books anywhere even remotely suggest
that his radio frequency work could have been
responsible for his death. But I think if any
of the new age doctors here should be able to...
you know, really kind of put that together because
we're seeing a lot of evidence now for how RF
radiation can attribute to, you know, autoimmune
disorders, you know, through the, you know, the
calcium ion channels or the erective oxygen species,
or, you know, you just, you know, there's plenty
of methods in which we can prove this now. And
so it might be time to re look back at the history
book and kind of add a footnote that we might've
figured something out about history. and the
founder of RF radiation might have been the very
first victim of it too. I'm also reminded of
a modern human, Steve Jobs. Well, that's pretty
obvious, you know? And this non -native EMF,
yeah, with the mitochondria and ROS, non -native
EMF just destroys the mitochondrial DNA, those
cytochromes and the heme proteins and things,
and that ROS is just so out of control. after
this 1900s, how does society kind of get into
more and more exposure to it? Can you talk through
some key points? Yeah, well, you know, then we
started, you know, we started electrifying America,
you know, and of course, a lot of people, you
know, I actually hear a lot of people talking
about Nikolai Tesla, you know, and gosh, if he
would have gotten a chance to create wireless
energy. Whenever I hear that, I actually am very
grateful that he didn't. The Lord works in mysterious
ways. Obviously, the bankers shut down his projects
because they had vested interest in copper mines
and things like that. But when it comes down
to it, we weren't ready. to have our environment
pumped full of enough energy in order to light
your light bulbs. That was never, ever, ever
going to be a good idea. In a matter of fact,
we would have never had the technology, the breakthroughs
with chips and things that we had because there'd
have been so much static electricity in the air
and the environment that you would have never
been able to make a computer chip. um yes so
we would have been able to plug our irons into
the ground or our light bulbs into the ground
like for a lamp but you would have never had
a computer you know so i mean you gotta really
you gotta almost kind of be grateful that you
know that we didn't permeate the atmosphere with
as much voltage as what old tesla was looking
for Um, you know, I don't, I don't think that
would have been very healthy. It would have been,
we would have been exposed to maybe orders of
magnitude more than what we are today, but way
back then with far less medical knowledge. Um,
yeah, we weren't ready for it. Um, and, uh, and
I think, um, you know, when we, uh, start to
look at how the, the evolution of, of technology
is going to go, I mean, uh, eventually, of course
we had to go to, to AC electricity just to get
the, the energy long distances, but as we start
to realize that we can harness more energy from
the sun and in renewable ways, you know, houses
might become a lot more DC, which would be a
lot safer for us anyway, rather than having the
low frequency ELF 60 Hertz. And, you know, of
course, European countries, 50 Hertz. But, you
know, so but our electrical grids aren't aren't
healthy either. You know, so it's it's more than
just cell phones and non ionizing radiation from
from those wavelengths. It's Like I was saying,
any radio frequency radiation, it just wasn't
here when life first evolved. I don't think the
60 Hertz or just any of them, I think God created,
He basically sends energy and information with
two groups of frequencies, and that's sound frequencies
and light frequencies. uh... and he didn't choose
the ones in between there for a reason uh...
in nature knows what's best you know in a nature
didn't choose to stuff in between sound in in
light there's probably a reason that we needed
that to remain a high fidelity area in order
for life to to do what it needs to do we create
the low fidelity environment. And, you know,
when we get back to the stuff like, you know,
conception and child development and things like
that, you know, this might sound a little, you
know, a lot of people don't think of it this
way, but I look at even like what happened to
my daughter and even, you know, what I would
say would be the most dramatic thing because,
you know, a child doesn't even live very long.
It's a very horrible birth defect. And but these
lesser degrees of these developmental effects,
I think can also be attributed to this loss of
coherent information and entropy that's added
to the system. And is kind of what I'm saying
is like, you know, I made a post the other day
that showed where a beaver that had never, ever,
ever been near its parents to see it build a
dam. um you know was was rescued and of course
it lives with this family and it still grabs
all the pillows in the house and builds a dam
in the hallway but it's never ever ever ever
seen and nobody built a dam before so so where
is this how how did this information get passed
from from mom and dad beaver to to this little
beaver that had never seen a beaver build a dam
but he's building a dam um And i think humans
aren't that much different i think if you're
born an alpha male or a beta male or whatever
if you have a pristine environment is high fidelity
to pass on your traits like that beaver well
guess what your son is also an alpha male or
a beta male he didn't he didn't he wasn't born
not knowing who he was um you know is so i believe
that there can be degrees of this of this uh
Bioelectric dissonance in how it affects development
right down to Like what happened with my daughter
is the worst in a physical defect But I think
there can be degrees of this that go right down
to just where you harm traits Like you don't
have to harm the actual biology You might just
be tweaking the biology just enough to where
you weren't able to pass on the traits that that
child would have had You know, um, I mean, ADHD
and all these things are much, much more complex
than when I'm probably getting ready to say it.
But, but, you know, if, if, if you can't pass
on the traits that you have in order to pay attention,
is that a, is that ADHD? You know, I mean, it's,
um, you know, so it's, uh, yeah. So I think that
high fidelity environment has an insane spectrum
across the board. I think that might even cause
what we might be seeing today is a empathy deficit
disorder. And I think that's where we might get
such violent actions that we see within the public
and children today, where the traits of empathy,
empathy and love and compassion just aren't being
passed on like they were. It would be like if
the beaver couldn't build the dam anymore. But
yes, so I see this EMF and destruction that we've
done to our natural EM environment is just way
bigger than cancer, way bigger than a single
birth defect. It's the core essence of what life
needs to replicate healthy, like nature intended,
is a pristine, high fidelity environment. And
then when you rob life of that, you open up the
doors to everything like nothing is off the table
because you corrupted the process in which it
builds everything upon. I mean, you can't separate
the matter from the wave functions. I mean, quantum
mechanics tells us that. And, you know, so you
can't pretend that the matter isn't part of the
energy in which it's derived from. And when we
start to really throw that off with energy that
shouldn't be there and when I shouldn't shouldn't
be there. That's why it's in tropic waste. It's
energy without purpose for life. We might have
a purpose for it. You're sending your call there
and there. But for nature, that disruption has
no purpose in nature, none, zero. And that's
not what was here before Hertz started to pluck
the first strings of electromagnetic radiation.
Yeah, we don't have to use the cell phone. We
were here without cell phones. Right. But the
non -native EMF thins out myelin sheets. So,
you know, we're talking, you mentioned ADHD and
autism is bad about this too, but like the difference
between a thick myelin is like an interstate
for traveling. And then those are thinned out.
It's like a gravel road. And there's a big difference
in traveling there. What can happen if you're
developed? It can reverse and thin out that myelin
or if you are developing like the child, it's
just going to implicate that. You're not going
to have that thickened myelin. I'm really, really,
really impressed and glad that you actually said
that. When you look at the disorder, the birth
defect, the neural two disorder that took my
daughter's life, the myelin shield has a lot
to do with that. I mean, it's a very critical
part of what allows for that entire birth defect
to actually happen. So yeah, I totally 100 %
agree. That's the neural tube, if I'm not mistaken,
correct? Also the time where spinal bifida occurs.
You're right. Yeah. OK. which is a less severe
case of the neural tube disorder when when it's
in the cephaly and it literally the top of the
brain doesn't even form the top of the skull
and is pretty pretty horrible. What frequencies
Is it known at what at what point do the frequencies
start to open up the blood brain barrier? Well,
you know, that's that's the crazy part that,
you know, I think they're all just just outright
dangerous. If we're not using light, then I think
we're using something that we're just not equipped
to handle. And, you know, every study that we
see, we're starting to see a lot of nonlinearities.
And I think this is important to mention because,
you know, The classical theory of SAR is basically
if you have more power, you're in more danger,
and that's what people would tend to believe.
But that's a linear assumption. It actually doesn't
hold up to the science whatsoever, and it's important
to understand that because when you even look
at the National Toxicology's program, that was
done at 1 .5 watts, and 3 watts, and 6 watts,
and of course a zero watt sham. You know, when
you think about which study had the worst effect,
well, in this linear world, you would assume
that, okay, well, the six watts had the biggest
effect. But that's not what happens. The National
Toxicology Program showed us that the 1 .5 watts
had more cancerous lesions in it than the six
watts. So there's a non -linearity here. And
then you look at these recent sperm studies,
which are very important to point out, because
they found that the highest amount of oxidative
stress occurs at four hours versus the six hours
and 12 hours of continuous exposure. So a longer
exposure duration, eight hours and 12 hours,
in six hours or whatever, had less of effect
than the four hour exposure. And this was from
a February of 2025 study. I can send you a link
to it. But it shows you that literally our bodies
begin to kick in some sort of an innate response
to deal with the EMF exposure, but only after
it's been exposed a certain amount of time. So
by initiating a shorter exposure time, you could
end up doing more cumulative damage. So our idea
is about what's dangerous and what's most dangerous
and what isn't. like no one on earth could give
you that honestly like nobody could be honest
about that that answer because The fact is we
don't have any idea at what power we don't have
any idea at what frequency We don't have any
idea at what duration So if you can't if you
can't pick any of that and know which one is
less or more harmful Well, then you have to come
to the reality of the truth that they're all
dangerous That until we can prove that one of
these are safe, and right now, we don't have
anything proven to be safe, except for the environment
that God gave us. That's the one that's proven
to be safe. But we got to turn the clock back
to get that. But we can start to take real action.
That mandating Li -Fi, reinforcing public law
90 -602. you know, repealing section 704. I mean,
it's, you know, there is a plan to go forward.
But right now, we're just not even recognizing
the most basics that we've done such a great
harm to the environment, that that is what's
harming our children. And it's not the other
things. There could be that there's a lot of
things that are bad for people, but when you
look at really what's worse is this constant
You know like with the vaccines and you know
I'm totally in support of the fact that you when
you inject a vaccine You're injecting something
that is going to be making some sort of bioelectric
difference in your body. Ultimately, any drug
that you take, any food that you ingest, anything
that you do, at the very end of that chain, it
made a difference in electromagnetic potential
somewhere down the line. That's a fact. When
we inject ourselves with a vaccine, absolutely,
you're throwing your body into bioelectric mayhem.
Ultimately, it builds a response to that. One
of the Things that I think are amazing about
the human body is it can heal and it can heal
from a short like when you give it a short term
assault, no matter what it is, you know, the
short term assault, give that body the good energy
it needs, the food that it needs and the rest
of the needs and you can recover from a short
term assault. um and you can go right back to
normal again but what you can't do is go back
to normal when your body is under a constant
assault where the baseline can just never even
really be 100 discovered again you know so now
you're injecting an assault and the body doesn't
even know where the baseline is anymore because
you've got all this confusion and and dissonance
within the bioelectricity of the of the body
itself the energy and information is is being
corrupted um You know, so, you know, I think
it's just really important to understand that
it's not all vaccines and it can't be all vaccines.
because one, there's a lot of people that didn't
take the vaccine, that have got autism. I mean,
it's not only people that, and I hear some people
say, oh, well, the Amish don't have, they don't
have autism because they don't take the vaccines.
Well, they also don't have wifi routers and they
also don't have cell phones. And, you know, so,
you know, that that's also what they don't have,
you know, so. Your environment looks like ours
130 years ago. They don't have all this electricity
and artificial light at night. You're exactly
right. People like to see something, they discover
something and they think that must be it or that
is it because they can make sense of it. We don't
like to have our beliefs offended. No way, is
it the light or the electricity or the microwaves?
Right, right, yeah. But in reality, it is bioelectric
dissonance. And the light causes bioelectric
dissonance. The microwaves call bioelectric dissonance.
And yes, the shot is going to cause bioelectric
dissonance. What? How can the body recover is
the question, you know, and can the body recover?
And is the body going to be able to recover if
you've given it a very low fidelity environment
to do so? Well, nature didn't intend you to do
that. You know, that was not what we did. That's
not what God made us to do. God made us the ability
to heal, but he did not give us the ability to
deal with a constant, constant assault in our
environment. And that's what we're doing to ourselves
right now. I mean, people are getting sicker
and sicker, younger and younger. I mean, I had
kidney cancer when I was just a kid. I mean,
I guess you could say cancer survivor, child
cancer survivor. But in 1977, I had my left kidney
removed. I had cancer. And we lived on a military
base at the time. And I'm pretty sure that I
got exposed to a lot of radar and a lot of everything
at the, you know, at the different military bases
that my family was on when I was a kid. But just
crazy, because I remember, I mean, kidney cancer
was kind of a, you know, even dialysis machines
and stuff like that were huge back in the 70s.
I mean, then I stayed in the hospital for a couple
of months actually, you know, throughout the
whole ordeal. And I'm not really sure if I had
to end up staying there that long just because
it was easier for the way that my family was
and the fact that he was my dad was on active
duty and whatnot. But I was I was in there throughout
a couple holidays like Easter, Christmas, Halloween.
You know, I remember people dressing up as everything
through the wards. But, you know, the one thing
that left a big impression on me, you know, because,
of course, I didn't know if I was going to live
then because, you know, just you would say. military
hospitals back then I don't know maybe they're
still that way but you know it was just a big
long hallway and there was kids beds all lined
up down the hall and and every bed would have
a blanket or a curtain that would wrap around
the the bed um you know so you could always see
all the kids you know up and down the down the
ward and um and some kids sometimes parents would
come and get their stuff and the kids didn't
come out of surgery You know, and you just never
saw him again. And you know, I think that left
a big impact on me even as a child, you know,
because, you know, it wasn't too many more years.
Heck, I was, I started college when I was 15
years old at Tidewater Community College in Virginia.
And, you know, so it wasn't long after, you know,
I think I was, you know, like eight years old
when 77. Yes, I would have been like eight years
old, seven, eight years old when I had the kidney
removed. You know, but, you know, it changed
my life, though. It made me really, you know,
it made me understand how fragile life was, I
think. I think that's what I kind of probably
took away from it and just how precious it was,
you know, and what a miracle it was. And I was
lucky enough to come home after all that. And
You know, and I've stayed cancer -free until
recently, but the, you know, but ultimately after
losing my firstborn child and just, you know,
being in a position of just, you know, a child
that was pretty vulnerable of myself, even when
I was a kid, it just, we got to do better at
protecting the kids, you know? You know, and
because I'm pretty sure it was the environment
that caused my cancer. I mean, as soon as I wasn't
near any... military bases anymore. I didn't
have any more kidney cancer, you know. So where
did kidney cancer come from? I mean, it's not
like that was something that runs in your family,
you know. But, you know, so I just have a feeling
that I was kind of put on this earth to do what
I'm doing right now. You know, and that's and
I do it every day and I prayed that I'm doing
the right things and, you know, always You know,
I'm never one to just be single focused on the
fact that EMF is like all it could be because
I never say that. You know, just as I addressed
the vaccines is yes, they're both bioelectric
dissonance. They're just affecting us differently.
I mean, one is a temporary assault and one is
a constant assault. You know, and I think that
constant assault is something that nature just
did not equip us to deal with. I think nature
actually equipped that we have we can deal with
the short term assault. You know, maybe not always,
but for the most part, I think we can have given
everything else the right light and food and
rest. And, you know, I think we can heal, but
not not when it's a constant assault, though.
Hospitals used to send their patients outside.
Yeah, right. This absorbs inside. I just saw
an article yesterday, I think, or two days ago
about the rates of autism is much, much higher
for military families. I didn't look into it
yet to see if it has validity or their methods
and interpretation and things, but that kind
of struck me. The very first person I knew that
had an autistic child was a friend of mine, Ed,
in the early 1980s. And he was a guy that he
was a deputy sheriff. So he had the radios on
his belt all the time. And his scanners, he's
all into the radiation and radar guns, you name
it. But he was the very first person that I,
that I actually ever knew that had a child that
was born with autism, you know, Ed Myers. It's,
um, I really think it's the environment. Yeah.
Yeah. I do too. The things that we're talking
about. Yeah. So yeah, those are the things can
too, but this is really because what you were
highlighting, you described so well the amount
of, we're constantly under these situations.
It's not natural, like the light and these frequencies.
It's not natural. And it's the amount of it.
And you mentioned the food dies earlier. And
that's what I was going to mention earlier, whenever
I was like, I lost it, is yeah, we eat Three
four times a day, whatever the case and we can
choose what we eat and some people eat healthy
But they still have problems. So Yeah, it's just
something that's easy to kind of Target I think
to maybe even hey look at what we're doing. We're
gonna fix this and I'm not saying that they're
not a problem It's just not nowhere near It's
not, it's not the problem that we actually voted
to get RFK and Trump together to win, you know,
because like, you know, he's going after Froot
Loops, but, but, you know, he said that he knew
how to dismantle the corporate capture. I mean,
that's what he told us. He said, I know how to,
you know, take it all down. I've sued them the
most, you know, and you know what? That's what
we need. I mean, he told us what we need. And
we know that that's what we need. But now he's
coming after the Froot Loops and he's in this,
that and the other and banning kids from phones.
Now, now look, now I'm the anti radiation guy,
right? If anybody should agree with banning the
phones from kids at schools, it should be me,
right? But no, I'm going to be the first one
to tell you that's a delay tactic. Okay. Look,
The the cigarettes, okay, right in in the 1890s
Okay, they they they banned kids from buying
cigarettes in towns in New York. Okay, 1890s
Okay. All right, you know, I'm sorry. I think
it was the 1880s. It might have been the 1880s
and You know when they ended up actually putting
a warning label on those cigarettes when they
would actually that it would that this could
cause cancer Probably about 80 years after that
a hundred years a century later Okay, that they
put that they the real warning on there. These
will cause cancer, you know and blah blah blah
You know that came about in 1985. I believe it
was right and you know, so Banning children from
something is just a way of saying you know We're
trying to make you look like we care, but ultimately
nothing changes. It's the status quo. We're still
going to make all this money by killing you.
And nothing's going to change. And maybe in a
hundred years, we'll put a label on the cell
phone and we'll say, no, it really does give
you cancer. No, I don't think we have that kind
of time. I don't think this is a thing where
we can actually wait 100 years. So we have to
immediately call a tactic like that out. If we've
already seen that tactic play out exactly the
way that industries want that tactic to play
out, the we ban kids tactic, then we're just
asking for 100 more years of this. We can't accept
that as something that's really tangible that
can help our children. What really helps our
children is demanding that Device manufacturers
make them safe for our children look if you want
to change look I don't want to take a phone away
from a kid that one of those latest school violence
issues You know there was it was like a second
grader or something like a seven -year -old girl
or nine -year -old girl that called 911 and you
know if it wasn't for that that little girl calling
911 when she did other kids may have been harmed
You know, so I don't agree with the fact that
we need to strip the only lifeline that a kid
has in a potentially Most horrible horrific situations
that they can be in and now they can't call their
parents or call for help 9 -1 -1 or whatever
No, you don't take it away from kids is what
you do is you force the device manufacturers
to make them safe for kids Okay, we can geo fence
the phones Alright, so if you want the phone
to do only one thing the second that it gets
on the school property Have a geofence app on
it make the government make the gut make the
government and the technology companies work
together So that schools phones only act one
way when they walk into the building You know
and it's prioritizing learning apps or whatever
whatever But it doesn't you can't get on tik
-tok and that's all within our technical capabilities
Okay, you walk in phone changes as in it's it
is the geofence, but you don't take it away from
them You make it compatible with li -fi so it
doesn't irradiate them with energy and you just
make the technology safe There's nothing anytime
somebody says that we have to take something
away from you to make it better Just know that
that's probably BS. You know what I'm saying
if they have to take over something away from
you to make it better. That's not what I believe
is the solution. I think the solution is addressing
the problem, address the entropic waste that
the device puts out, get the cell tower away
from the kids' school because, hey, what is JFRFK's
ban gonna do to help my first grader that has
a cell tower 465 feet from her desk? Banning
kids from school is not gonna help. She is not
gonna take a cell phone to school. Okay, so who
was he really helping? You know, help who he
said he was going to help. And that was he was
going to take down the corporate capture. He
was going to go ahead and make the companies
abide by rules that were going to make the environment
healthier for our children. I don't see that
banning kids from having phones at school is
a dangerous precedent over just making the technology
safer, which we have the capability to do. Yeah.
100%. That is the goal. That should be our direction.
Yeah. It should be the only direction because
our goal has to be to clean this environment
up for the kids. Anything else is a distraction.
Anything. Yep. Has there been anything we haven't
covered that you find salient right now? Well,
you know, I would like to go out onto a theory
realm if you'd like to. I think that when we
start to think about this bioelectric dissonance
and what it does to the energy and information.
A lot of people follow great people like Dr.
Michael Liebman. God, I respect him just a ton,
right? And yeah, we've had some small engagement
on Twitter in the past. And I just respect the
direction of his work. I know a lot of people
in the EMF community kind of want him to accept
our way of thinking. But science is about making
other people think the way that you think. That's
not even what science is even about. And he's
very rigorous in the way that he approaches his
research. And I think his work is super valuable
in the direction that he's going. So I don't
think he needs to follow what we do in the radiation
is going to harm you side of things where he's
trying to figure out the intrinsic properties
of the bioelectricity itself. And while I respect
that idea, you have to remember that You know,
some of the ideas behind what his direction has
taken us is that, you know, that DNA is a static,
it is just static, you know, for building proteins
and blah, blah, blah. And it doesn't have anything
to do with, say, the Europe, you know, just how
you develop and everything, which I think is
kind of crazy. And when we think about how the
Where could the energy, and this has been something
that has questioned me since day one, right?
Because I always needed to try to understand
how is it that the energy affected the neural
tube to where it didn't know what to do anymore.
You know, and so that's a big, big question.
You know, what went wrong? Where was the programming?
And what was programmed? And where is this program
at that was going to make everything the way
that it was supposed to be versus how it got
corrupted? And I believe I have a good idea where
that is. And I think that's kind of the breakthrough
of it, because where Michael, even in them, I
believe, look at this from a very topological
sense, where the energy is basically defining
its basing and principles, maybe in a way you
could say, through just the energy on this higher
topological view. But I believe that the DNA,
along with the microtubules, You know, because
it even kind of brings together OR theory, you
know, Penrose and Steve and Hammerhoff's ideas
in kind of bringing them together with Michael
Lievens. And then if you bring it together with
what I'm saying, that DNA itself, through the
molecular structure of resonating atoms, I believe
that that is where your evolutionary core data
is stored, right? um you know you have your you
the multiple you know four elements or whatnot
that the dna is made of if you have an oxygen
and an oxygen that are next to each other or
a nitrogen and a nitrogen next to each other
um these frequencies when you're dealing with
atoms they're they're gonna um these elements
are always going to resonate at the exact same
frequency and you know just like a cell phone
with a cell tower if they're tuned to the same
frequency there there's a connection there And
I believe that the DNA itself contains a neural
network, if you will. So it's not static. I don't
believe DNA to be static. I believe that... And
I do believe that we're even going to be able
to map it at a given time, means that we know
where to maybe look for this now, you know, in
the same way that like alpha fold, you know,
triangulates the spaces of atom or the spaces
between the molecular structures. and folding
their proteins, I think one day we'll be able
to use a very similar process to map the weights
and biases of a person's own evolutionary network,
if you will. Because the DNA, in my opinion,
is a neural network like your brain, but it's
the long -term evolutionary storage of data.
It's what evolution has given you. In each cell,
in this opinion would mean that they each cell
and this means each piece of mitochondria or
every mitochondria every every cell so you have
your nuclear DNA you have your mitochondrial
DNA um each one of these are are individual neural
networks um that are on the exact same weights
and biases so so mom gave you the mitochondrial
dna you know and and that network is the same
as every single other mitochondrial dna in your
body so if it's you know hundreds or whatever
per cell you know so on top of your 50 trillion
cells and then the the, you know, another 300
per cell or whatever for mitochondria, maybe
like 50 quadrillion individual large language
models, if you will, you know, that run your
body. And so I think that where things get messed
up is the energy is processed in the microtubules
where like, oh, our theory, you know, is saying
that, you know, this is where the consciousness
comes from. Well, I would argue that That is
where the, like if you were to think of it in
AI terms, they would be kind of like an autoencoder
where they're taking higher dimensional data
and then bring it into a lower dimensional feed
in which is then resonates through the DNA in
order for it to output how it should deal with
the gene expression and things like that. I think
is a process of something like this where this
energy and information must work together in
order to properly address the probability of
its microenvironment. So any given cell in any
piece of mitochondria or any individual mitochondria
all knows what to do in a given microenvironment
for itself because they're all trained on the
exact same data, mom and dad's DNA. Um, and,
you know, so it's just like if you were to zoom
away from earth and every car on earth was a
Tesla and you looked at the roads, it would look
like everything was talking to each other. But
in reality, they were just all running the same
software and they're able to respond no matter
where they are in the environment, the same as
they would if any of them were in that particular
position. Um, you know, I think that's why, you
know, the end of a finger knows why it's the
end of a finger. um you know is because it can
each cell everywhere can respond no matter where
it is you know because it's all running on that
same evolutionary train data um so i don't believe
that that the code isn't somewhere like i think
leaving kind of lends us to believe that the
the energy itself makes the code and i i think
that the i think that the processing is actually
done through the dna um and that's a little bit
of a stretch but you know There's not really
anything that can say that it isn't because the
alignment of the atoms are there. So what I'm
talking about being somewhere we can actually
point to, how it actually works exactly. Well,
we have a lot of things that might be able to
point to how it does work in combination of the
microtubules. um you know the structure of the
cell because this would mean that like like if
i have an ai here and you have an ai there and
they're both trained on the exact same network
same computer hardware everything if i ask it
a question here and you ask it there it's going
to be a very close to the same answer and we
have the exact same ai and and is what I'd kind
of, when you take DNA out of a cell and you look
at DNA by itself, that's kind of like grabbing
the weights and biases out of our AI and our
computer and sticking them on the table and looking
for intelligence within that array of numbers.
And there is no intelligence in just a bunch
of numbers, just like there isn't really any
intelligence in the DNA itself. But once you
put it back into the computer, into the structure
of the cell, and it's able to process the energy
and information within its environment, now it's
dynamic and intelligent to deal with its microenvironment.
And that's how I think all the cells end up ultimately
knowing what they need to do. I think that's
all within the I think it's all within the DNA
and a lot of people will say that's absolutely
not true that you know that it's not in the DNA
but So far, I mean, I actually believe that that
that is in the DNA I believe the DNA if you just
look at it can constitute weights and biases
because how far apart two atoms are It are gonna
give us how how energy travels through that resonating?
um new matrix in if if they're all if you just
move one a little further just given just the
physics that we understand today just the inverse
square law of distance that's going to change
the the field tension between these resonating
elements and energy that propagates through that
is going to propagate in a weighted potential
just like a neural network does and um you know
so I think that it's a hard -coded neural network
that's within our genome and our DNA. And there's
a lot of that is hypothetical in just kind of
a theory that I have. But in reality, that's
the way that I look at the way that the body
works, is that it's processing energy and it's
processing information. And it's dealing with
its micro environment on every single scale.
And that's why I think it's that important that
everything stays in the ability to. Because the
cool thing is, is like if you do do something
that throws it off. it's still only going to
react off of what the trained data can do. So
it can't just come up with crazy things just
because you injected something somewhere, but
it is now going to have to factor in whatever
you added to the micro environment, if it's a
vaccine into your body or whatever, it's going
to now have to factor in these added bits of
information and energy into the equations that
it would normally process. And that's where we
would get the incorrect outputs of our biology
from these entropic inputs. And so when you add
entropic inputs, then you just get bad outputs.
Yeah, I follow. That's just a very fascinating
way of looking at it. And I think I'm going to...
I can't not look at it now. I looked at it when
I was, it was about 15, maybe 20 years ago. I
was literally just staring at what in this DNA
went wrong where that neural tube didn't close.
Like, why? Like, why didn't it know what to do?
What made it decide that it just didn't know
what to do anymore? And God, I was studying DNA
just crazy. And I actually saw it then, and I
just saw how all these atoms would totally create
a connection of networks that literally could
be a network. But at that time, I didn't know
anything that much about AI or anything, no more
than anybody else really did, except for the
old work that was done. But there was no compute
power and stuff like that to push it. with my
knowledge now, especially in AI, and I do a lot
of work with AI as well. But looking at it today,
it's just obvious what that network could be
and what these weighted connections can be. And
because they do become weighted, like I said,
just their space away from each other makes them
weighted. And so just by moving an atom ever
such of a slight little bit in the hard code
of the matrix of the DNA, um... you know it is
going to make some sort of a processing difference
but you don't have to directly affect the DNA
because you can affect how the DNA ends up processing
the signals which are encoded from say the microtubules
and and and and the rest of the uh... cellular
uh... you know exoskeleton uh... all because
if you change that the the computer um you know
or the or say the microtubule exoskeleton structure
by changing just what the shape of that cell
is changes how the energy is processed through
the dna and how the how how it deals with the
energy and information which it has to deal with
to control its micro environment um you know
so so that's where i i don't see things the same
as leaving in them like i totally believe in
everything he's doing and find no flaws in anything
but i i see it as is the is the topological layer
um you know and then i see mine is kind of the
inside layer and and i do believe that he'll
be able to figure everything out from that face
of the mountain right um but i think if you actually
want it to ever figure out what made me or you
or anything else go wrong somewhere, to totally
customize. Because see, you just can't assume
that everybody's bioelectricity and a certain
change in bioelectricity in one place is going
to affect me the same as it does you. Right?
So this theory eventually will have to come to
an extreme personalization level, right? Because
you just can't assume that, oh, yeah, well, it
works like this for all other life forms. So
when I do this, it is going to do that by just
triggering these couple ion gate channels here
and there. But no, because your overall genetics
is going to be different. So you aren't always
going to respond the exact same. But I do believe
eventually when we can implement the And understanding
the distance between atoms in your DNA will eventually
equate to understanding the software of your
the weights and biases of your network and then
totally customized Electro cuticles, I guess
they're called now Would be able to be made You
know directly for one's bioelectricity for the
software in which they run on you know so uh
so it's just looking at you so i don't disagree
with anything that the you know the penrose theory
says or theory and i really don't have much to
disagree with with leaving except for the fact
that i believe that dna plays a more critical
role than just uh static proteins okay this space
and time components like really dialed in Well,
right. Well, we are part of space and time, and
that's kind of the whole part of it. We're not
different from our environment. Like we can't
consider that we're different from the space
and time that we exist in. You know, we're definitely
part of that. And it's how that matter is organized
in space and time is how is how our bodies process
energy and information from that matrix. You
know, but that's just kind of a But that's just
something that I kind of thought of in order
to conceptualize how radiation affects the body.
That's the method that I run on. I know there's
a lot of other people that use a different way
of thinking about it, but I think of it all as
energy and information in a program which is
given an evolutionary default. And if you start
to mess up the environment, that evolutionary
default is not going to run like it's supposed
to, the program. And when you start screwing
with the program, well, bad things happen. I
knew I would enjoy this. But I actually call
it Selum theory, C -E -L -L -M, for a cellular
latent learning model. As far upstream as we
can go, as much as we can zoom in, is always
the right approach, I think. And then, of course,
there's a lot of things as far as like with the
technology. I think that, of course, Li -Fi is
one of the important things that we can do. But
when it comes to people and what they can do
to reduce radiation, you always try to, if you
can, put it on. the airplane mode before it goes
in your pocket cell phones you know but but you
got to remember that is essentially not much
you can do except for just using practices that
are you know don't put the phone to your head
if you don't have to keep it away from your you
know reproductive organs You know, you have to
use the real physics that work, which is distance
and duration. And we don't know what dangerous
frequencies are. We know that there's tons of
dangerous frequencies, but nobody can confidently
ever tell you what a safe level is or what a...
You know, we just don't have that data in order
to truly say that you'd be safe if you only exposed
yourself for this long or that long. So... Ultimately,
people have to understand that we have to make
a big, big change, that the big change, which
is completely going back to the drawing board
on what we're considering a safe environment.
And that means we got to rein in the microwaves
and start transitioning to light. And yeah, there's
going to be a learning curve even with light.
But the beautiful thing is that now so many people
are so familiar with the importance of this energy
that's given to us from the light. that we're
finally going to have people that are going to
be able to want to have this type of research
because believe it or not, not long ago, you
know, there wasn't many people at all that would
even cared about the type of light, you know,
the blue light in the, you know, in the, the
fluorescent lights and the, in the, whatever.
Um, this is relatively, you know, it's still
a new, a new thing and, and, and it's going to
become more mainstream because There's no way
that you can deny the importance of the bioelectric
You know aspect and how we absorb energy and
what we do with that energy, you know You know,
so it's really an exciting time But people have
to understand that it's our voices and and it's
you know, when we think about oh my god You know
all this stuff is so dangerous and bad We have
to understand that it's our voice that fixes
it is enough. There's no gadget that you're gonna
go buy You're not gonna go buy some magical rock
or some magical pendant or some you know any
that none of that is gonna help The only thing
that would really help is if you organize with
people your friends your family your school boards
your your your towns and you start to you know
Protests section 704 says start to you know demand
a live by you know, you know Demand that the
EPA is giving back the regulatory authority and
strip it away from the FCC all together because
they've done such a bad job You know, but you
know, so it's actions that we have to take as
communities in order to really to make a difference
in this, you know, because we still got a long
way to go before we all understand the the physiological
and biological effects. And and it's we've got
a long way to go. We don't under we don't know
enough. But we do know enough to see that it's
dangerous. But we don't know enough to say that
any degree of safety can be derived from our
current level of exposures. I don't think it
can be done. And that makes it kind of hard being
a guy that, well, I really don't sell anything,
to be honest with you, because you're not even
really my cases. They're just my designs. But
when it comes down to it, we even sell a phone
case that we try to let you know as much as possible
upfront that there's no way that the shielding
material in the front cover can guarantee that
you'll be safe. And we're the only person, the
people in the world that would ever sell a product
and tell you that. Everybody else says, oh, it'll
protect you 99%. But no, that's not what we do
at all. We try to just be honest with people
because only through that, Can they really understand
what they really have to do? I mean, you can't
tell people that this gadget will make them safe
when the only thing that's going to make them
safe is if they actually take action to protect
our children, to clean up this environment, speak
up. And, uh, and gosh, and that's how easy it
is because you know how Trump is a real people
person. If a people really started to say post,
uh, you know, Trump repeal 704. And if there
were thousands and thousands of people that did
that. He would probably break the pen out and
literally just repeal 704, no biggie, just because
he wants people to like him. You know, at least
he wants people to like him for the right reasons,
you know, and um... And you know, I think it's
all up to the people with so much of the control
is in our hands But yet everybody just wants
to point it how Everybody's doing something wrong
and wrong and wrong where we all have a chance
and an opportunity To totally speak up and to
really address the root root causes not the Froot
Loops not the banning kids from having phones
But the the manufacturers that are allowed to
poison our environment and externalize the cost
onto our children Yeah. Wow. That sounds like
a good place to wrap this up. Yeah. Thanks, Ben.
I really appreciate it. It's been super awesome.
I'll have some follow -up questions, so maybe
we'll get together again. Oh, please, please.
Yeah, absolutely. Maybe we'll do another one.
Yeah. Well, John, thanks so much. You betcha
buddy. Thank you, Ryan and God bless and have
a great day. And like I said, if you have any
of any other questions or anything, just, you
know, I'm always available, man. I love the opportunity
and I probably ramble too much. Um, but I'm not,
you know, you know, but, uh, you know, I'm just
trying to, there's so much to share and I bet
we can probably think of a hundred other things
and, and maybe next time maybe we'll have maybe
a checklist of things that we should maybe, you
know, kind of go over rather than just kind of.
winging it. With the winging it, you covered
a lot of good stuff. A lot of important stuff.
So you did really good. Awesome. Can you share
with us how to contact you and your company RFsafe
and things? Oh, sure. It's RFsafe .com. I have
the largest SAR database on the internet. I get
thousands of people, you know, kind of go there
for that, checking their phones. So if you were
to Google, like, what the rate, SAR is the Pacific
absorption rate. And that is what the FCC uses
to, you know, basically say it's okay to sell
a cell phone or not. It's a test that we do not
agree with. But I actually have the largest SAR
database in order to tell people that it's no
good. Nobody would ever talk to me if I actually,
you know, I could never tell them that it isn't
any good if I didn't have the information there
they were looking for. So it's kind of a catch
-22. But ultimately, I try to explain to people
that this information is not going to protect
you in any way, shape, or form. SAR is not a
valid state safety standard in any way, shape,
or form. And quite honestly, the tests are very
deceptive. I don't know if you know this or not,
but maybe we can, if I can, if I could just say
this. A lot of people look for S .A .R. levels
for a lower S .A .R. phone, but we had already
mentioned that the NTP study already showed that
lower radiation levels can sometimes cause more
damage than higher levels. But a lot of people
notice that, say, Samsung phones have a lower
S .A .R. level. But this is very, very, very
deceiving. So it's very important that people
understand that you cannot buy a phone off of
the government. Joe shown as they are levels
and think that you're Making your let me explain
it this way that test is from 1996 in phones
didn't fit in your pocket in 1996. Okay, so The
government gave phone manufacturers, they didn't
want to tell them what size holster that they
had to use, right? So the government went and
put in there that you can have a holster that's
between five millimeters and 15 millimeters thick
when you do the SAR test on your phone. Well,
none of us use holsters for one, right? But back
then, That gave them now the loophole where they
can now choose what size holster they want to
test the phone in and that can be five millimeters
from the dummy or 15 millimeters from the dummy
And people should know that Apple does routinely
test their phones at five millimeters now. That's
not perfect Perfect would be maybe two millimeters
because you know your underwear and pants aren't
going to be much more than two millimeters thick
right so um five millimeters is still giving
them a little bit too much leeway but at least
apple test at five well you'll find that a lot
of uh google phones will pick will test at 10
but now the majority of samsung phones will test
at 15 millimeters away from the dummy all right
so just just using the inverse square law of
distance we know that this is going to make a
really big difference in the in the sar level
that you're exposed to right so uh... one of
the one important things that you gotta remember
is not only do they test at different distances
okay so you can't compare these things apple
to apple no pun intended there but the uh...
but the uh... the samsung phone does even one
level worse than that uh... so when you buy a
samsung phone and it has this way lower s a r
level than that than that apple phone You have
to consider that this is a six six and a half
inch phone and they've relocated the antenna
at the bottom of the phone Okay, well the sensor
is up here by your ears not down here by your
neck and your thyroid, right? So if you're if
you're using one of these phones in the head
SAR is really low because the head SAR has got
the sensor up here and it's transmitting the
radiation into your thyroid which By the way,
at least your brain had a skull to protect it,
right? Your thyroid doesn't have anything to
protect it. And a matter of fact, Joel Moskowitz
over at Berkeley, he's got his website Safer
EMR, a really great researcher guy there, saferemr
.com. He even did a, he published a report on
showing that the relocation of the antennas down
by the thyroid may have been the increase in
thyroid cancers that we've been seeing. You know
and that's and that's from people that think
that they're buying a lower SAR phone But as
soon as you put in those two relevant factors
that they're testing 15mm away further and relocating
the antenna to the bottom of the phone near your
thyroid It's no wonder the sensor by the ear
isn't picking up as high as a level. So people
have to understand just how completely ridiculous
the SAR level guideline is and another reason
why they should protest against it. you know,
because it's just invalid and it holds no relevance
to real world safety whatsoever. But I do have
the largest SAR database there at RFsafe .com.
You can go to RFsafe and find about 4 ,000 studies
right from the front page of the home page. You
can click on research and you'll find about 4
,000 research studies. And I've been blogging
there for the past three, almost quarter of a
century. Yeah, my phone number is on the home
page so anybody can call me. Yep, directly. I
appreciate that about you. Yeah. You're just
so willing. It's a passion. Yeah. Your commitment.
Your commitment to your daughter. Amen. Amen.
That's what it is, you know. And in my, oh yeah,
my direct line will always be on there as long
as I'm living, that's for sure. Yeah. Okay. Awesome.
Thanks, John. Cool, buddy. Well, God bless you,
Ryan. Thank you so much for the opportunity.
And yeah, and I'll look forward to hopefully
we get to do this again. This is a lot of fun.
Appreciate it. We're going to do it again if
I have to choose, if I get to choose. Awesome.
Well, yeah, I'm definitely down, man. I appreciate
it. Well, God bless you, my man. Thanks. All
right. We'll talk to you soon.