WEBVTT 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:04.580 For today's episode, Nicole Rincon returns to 00:00:04.580 --> 00:00:08.460 talk about various gastrointestinal related problems, 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:12.900 biomarkers, and treatments related to autism. 00:00:14.300 --> 00:00:17.379 Nicole will take us through a few pre -pregnancy, 00:00:17.579 --> 00:00:21.039 pregnancy, and for the autistic child to increase 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:24.800 our awareness and tools to consider for reducing 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:28.559 the rates of autism and for mitigating symptomatic 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:34.759 problems. with GI and autism. Nicole Rincon is 00:00:34.759 --> 00:00:37.920 a board -certified physician assistant with over 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:42.000 17 years working in medicine. Currently, Nicole 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:45.399 works at the Razignol Medical Center, which includes 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:50.179 doctors Dan Razignol and Richard Fry. With over 00:00:50.179 --> 00:00:53.799 17 years in medicine, working with various conditions, 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:57.840 and her drive as a mother, Nicole continues to 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:01.859 offer tremendous knowledge on the topic of autism 00:01:01.859 --> 00:01:05.700 and other related conditions. Check out the show 00:01:05.700 --> 00:01:10.060 notes for more information on Nicole. But for 00:01:10.060 --> 00:01:14.000 now, an important message about Daylight Computer 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:18.219 Company. I would like to take a moment and mention 00:01:18.219 --> 00:01:22.260 a pressing issue we are seeing in our modern 00:01:22.260 --> 00:01:28.370 world. And that is tech use. and tech light. 00:01:29.510 --> 00:01:34.049 The data are impressive and concerning on isolated 00:01:34.049 --> 00:01:39.409 wavelengths of light, especially shorter wavelengths, 00:01:40.409 --> 00:01:44.689 which is blue light. 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See 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:24.259 the link in the show notes to Daylight Computer 00:05:24.259 --> 00:05:27.180 Company or just give it a quick search in your 00:05:27.180 --> 00:05:32.319 internet browser Use the code autism for $25 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:37.959 off Nicole welcome back. I'm so happy that you 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:41.379 joined again Thanks for having me. It's great 00:05:41.379 --> 00:05:44.500 to see you again. Yeah, so fun talking to you 00:05:44.500 --> 00:05:48.519 on and offline actually perfect Well, you can 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:51.069 reach out anytime. I'm really I've been trying 00:05:51.069 --> 00:05:53.850 to be more active on my ex profile. So, you know, 00:05:53.850 --> 00:05:55.629 I'm answering a lot of just patient emails, but 00:05:55.629 --> 00:05:58.269 just, just, you know, general people inquiries. 00:05:58.509 --> 00:06:00.410 So if you ever want to, Hey, Nicole, what about 00:06:00.410 --> 00:06:01.990 this? Or what's the study? Or what do you think? 00:06:02.149 --> 00:06:04.829 Just reach out. I'm there. I'm what's my handle 00:06:04.829 --> 00:06:08.949 at Nicole Rincon PA, I believe. Yeah. I put that 00:06:08.949 --> 00:06:12.029 in the show notes again. It's a wonderful follow. 00:06:12.189 --> 00:06:15.629 You're a great follow. I have something that 00:06:15.629 --> 00:06:17.529 from about a month ago that I want to ask you 00:06:17.529 --> 00:06:21.060 about later on. that you mentioned on X and it 00:06:21.060 --> 00:06:25.800 was like, wow. I was hoping that we could start 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:29.459 with a pre -pregnancy related to gastrointestinal 00:06:29.459 --> 00:06:31.579 things that a mother could be on the lookout 00:06:31.579 --> 00:06:35.800 for as she's going into, let's say like a planning 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:40.220 pregnancy. Maybe she has a child with autism 00:06:40.220 --> 00:06:44.300 already or not. Maybe you can discriminate between 00:06:44.300 --> 00:06:46.980 that, what that looks like. But are there standard 00:06:46.980 --> 00:06:52.040 checks related to GI? that a mother could look 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:56.199 out for? Yeah, that's a great question. And I 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:58.120 think we touched on it at one of our last podcasts, 00:06:58.420 --> 00:07:02.699 but definitely maternal abnormalities can contribute. 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:04.920 They found that there's a lot of maternal risk 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:08.319 factors for autism spectrum in their offspring. 00:07:09.930 --> 00:07:12.810 And so I think I mentioned we do this at our 00:07:12.810 --> 00:07:14.829 office sometimes. Like you said, even for pregnant 00:07:14.829 --> 00:07:16.910 people that are high risk, maybe there's a family 00:07:16.910 --> 00:07:20.189 history of autism, or there was a previous child 00:07:20.189 --> 00:07:22.170 that had autism and they want to try and prevent 00:07:22.170 --> 00:07:25.069 it. So there is a lot of things we can do and 00:07:25.069 --> 00:07:30.750 should do prior to even conception. You mentioned 00:07:30.750 --> 00:07:34.300 GI. I mean, we do, let me start with the blood 00:07:34.300 --> 00:07:36.500 work first. So we typically do a blood work panel. 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:39.740 And I think we did mention that last time, thyroid 00:07:39.740 --> 00:07:41.920 is very important. I know we mentioned that. 00:07:42.220 --> 00:07:44.560 We always look at vitamin D levels, make sure 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:48.000 those are between 60 and 80. The standard is 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.519 like 30 for standard medicine saying that that's 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:54.110 the cutoff. That's low. I mean, it typically 00:07:54.110 --> 00:07:58.310 is associated with higher disease outcomes. So 00:07:58.310 --> 00:08:01.009 we're looking at, we want to get it. Last time 00:08:01.009 --> 00:08:03.750 I checked mine was 83 and I was ecstatic. That's 00:08:03.750 --> 00:08:07.569 about where I want it to be. So vitamin D3 is 00:08:07.569 --> 00:08:10.709 important. Looking at anemias, making sure that 00:08:10.709 --> 00:08:13.410 iron is appropriate. So the best way to assess 00:08:13.410 --> 00:08:16.750 for iron deficiency anemia with iron stores is 00:08:16.750 --> 00:08:19.410 ferritin. So you normally get a hemoglobin and 00:08:19.410 --> 00:08:21.149 a hematocrit, but then you get the iron levels. 00:08:21.170 --> 00:08:23.709 Make sure that usually we want those above 50 00:08:23.709 --> 00:08:27.509 for most people. So again, the reference range 00:08:27.509 --> 00:08:29.750 is really, you know, kind of not appropriate 00:08:29.750 --> 00:08:31.529 if it's, you know, some people say, oh, it's, 00:08:31.529 --> 00:08:33.529 I think it's 20 depending on the lab, but we 00:08:33.529 --> 00:08:37.019 try to get it up to 50. We'll look at things 00:08:37.019 --> 00:08:40.179 like MTHFR genes. So if there's methylation issues, 00:08:40.299 --> 00:08:43.059 we see that a lot with miscarriages. I know we 00:08:43.059 --> 00:08:45.120 talked about the folate receptor antibodies. 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:49.819 Definitely that is associated with higher. miscarriage 00:08:49.819 --> 00:08:52.480 outcomes. So we want to make sure they're getting 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.039 good appropriate folate on board. So again, I 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:57.879 mentioned that last time, it's so important to 00:08:57.879 --> 00:09:00.679 treat the MTHFR. You might need maybe one milligram 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:04.700 of methylfolates, but to treat the folate receptor 00:09:04.700 --> 00:09:07.340 antibodies, there's been a big push on X. Everybody's 00:09:07.340 --> 00:09:09.159 been talking about it. And it's true. It's a 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:11.200 really big breakthrough in research in the past 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:14.039 decade. You're going to want to take higher doses 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:17.299 of active but not methylated folate, like folinic 00:09:17.299 --> 00:09:22.279 acid specifically. So we look at that and we 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:25.799 will supplement, you know, put mothers on leucovorin 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:29.539 and or methylfolate. We want to look at some 00:09:29.539 --> 00:09:31.799 mitochondrial dysfunction. If the mother's energy 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:34.620 production is low for some reason metabolically, 00:09:34.940 --> 00:09:37.500 then that can be associated with autism. So we'll 00:09:37.500 --> 00:09:40.159 look at things like carnitine, which is associated 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:45.440 with metabolic mitochondrial dysfunction. Other 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:47.559 things, you know, we can look at CoQ10 levels. 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:52.519 That can be very important. The other things, 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:54.519 you know, obviously the general screenings are 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:57.960 going to do liver function, kidney function, 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:00.059 you know, diabetes, make sure blood sugar is 00:10:00.059 --> 00:10:02.700 normal. Western medicine is pretty good about 00:10:02.700 --> 00:10:07.059 looking at that. And inflammation is big too. 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:12.730 So we have the CRP. ESR, you know, these markers 00:10:12.730 --> 00:10:15.289 are just they don't obviously indicate where 00:10:15.289 --> 00:10:17.309 the inflammation is coming from. But if there 00:10:17.309 --> 00:10:19.470 is an inflammatory condition in the mother, especially 00:10:19.470 --> 00:10:22.509 like autoimmune disorder type inflammation, like 00:10:22.509 --> 00:10:24.990 rheumatoid arthritis, that kind of thing, then 00:10:24.990 --> 00:10:27.549 we should definitely be looking at that. And, 00:10:27.549 --> 00:10:29.549 you know, ideally, depending on how high the 00:10:29.549 --> 00:10:32.450 inflammation is and what the kind of what the 00:10:32.450 --> 00:10:34.370 profile looks like, we may want to treat that 00:10:34.370 --> 00:10:36.710 first. And that doesn't necessarily just mean, 00:10:36.710 --> 00:10:39.620 OK, let's put them on Plaquenelle or whatever 00:10:39.620 --> 00:10:41.539 they're going to normally treat autoimmune with, 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:43.200 but really trying to look at the root cause. 00:10:43.860 --> 00:10:45.580 So a lot of what we do in the moms is really 00:10:45.580 --> 00:10:47.399 like what we're going to do in the kids. And 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:49.279 we're just hopefully prepping the mom to avoid 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:51.200 the disease in the kid. Because oftentimes you'll 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.500 find these abnormalities. And you're saying, 00:10:53.539 --> 00:10:56.080 oh, well, a lot of this was genetic, came from 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.940 the mom, there was toxins passed down, inflammation 00:10:58.940 --> 00:11:02.299 passed down, mitochondrial deficits, that kind 00:11:02.299 --> 00:11:07.610 of thing. So those are kind of generalized. markers 00:11:07.610 --> 00:11:10.850 that we look at for blood. And a stool analysis, 00:11:11.070 --> 00:11:13.450 yeah. I mean, if a mom's coming in and she's 00:11:13.450 --> 00:11:15.750 like, yeah, I've had constipation my whole life, 00:11:15.889 --> 00:11:20.450 I've had diarrhea or bloating after every meal, 00:11:21.309 --> 00:11:24.710 different GI, then definitely the gold standard 00:11:24.710 --> 00:11:27.870 that we do for just generalized stool analysis 00:11:27.870 --> 00:11:31.370 is comprehensive stool analysis, like a CSA, 00:11:31.570 --> 00:11:35.840 and that's what it's called. And they do... You 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:38.799 know it gives you a comprehensive what's growing 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:41.179 in your really in your lower intestine in the 00:11:41.179 --> 00:11:44.769 colon So it'll give you bacteria fungus We'll 00:11:44.769 --> 00:11:47.149 check for parasites. I do find parasites. It's 00:11:47.149 --> 00:11:48.789 crazy. I mean you don't think in the Western 00:11:48.789 --> 00:11:51.490 world like you You know you read it online, but 00:11:51.490 --> 00:11:53.730 it really is a thing and it really does actually 00:11:53.730 --> 00:11:57.070 even come up on the stool so checking for that 00:11:57.070 --> 00:11:59.509 Inflammation in the gut so if you're suspecting 00:11:59.509 --> 00:12:01.590 that there's inflammation for the blood look 00:12:01.590 --> 00:12:04.889 at the gut first You know you can do to calprotectin 00:12:04.889 --> 00:12:08.820 a zonulin level looking for a leaky gut And all 00:12:08.820 --> 00:12:10.679 these things, like I said, usually come included 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:13.039 on the stool analysis. So that's a really big 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:17.179 one. And oftentimes, I think I might have mentioned 00:12:17.179 --> 00:12:19.960 this last time, let's say that the mom has rheumatoid 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:22.700 arthritis, and we test her gut, and she's got 00:12:22.700 --> 00:12:24.820 this huge amount of Proteus Mirabilis. And it's 00:12:24.820 --> 00:12:26.700 like, well, that might be coming from the gut. 00:12:27.259 --> 00:12:29.980 So Proteus Mirabilis overgrowth is associated 00:12:29.980 --> 00:12:31.639 with rheumatoid arthritis. There's been several 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:35.980 studies. You can look at PubMed. you really understand 00:12:35.980 --> 00:12:37.799 that the immune system is usually coming from 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:40.960 the gut. So we look there. And so it's really, 00:12:40.980 --> 00:12:42.919 actually it's really cool. I mean, it's unfortunate, 00:12:42.980 --> 00:12:44.639 but I mean, it's cool when you find these correlates, 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:46.440 like, oh, your symptoms correspond with this 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:49.059 test and holy cow, like now we can treat it. 00:12:49.100 --> 00:12:51.460 So it's one of those awesome aha moments that 00:12:51.460 --> 00:12:53.419 we do get. I mean, I don't always get it. We 00:12:53.419 --> 00:12:56.200 hope for it, but I do sometimes get it. So it's 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:01.320 great that we can make an actionable plan. And 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:03.620 then the other test, a lot of providers talk 00:13:03.620 --> 00:13:06.700 about it online, and I totally agree. There's 00:13:06.700 --> 00:13:09.720 an organic acid test. Right now, it used to be 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:12.240 Great Plains Laboratory. Now it's Mosaic, I believe. 00:13:13.259 --> 00:13:15.200 We're not affiliated with them in any way, but 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:17.399 it is kind of the gold standard for an organic 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:21.960 acid test. And that can show... Very well other 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:24.940 chronic infections, so it'll show metabolites 00:13:24.940 --> 00:13:29.879 of yeast of other fungus like molds bacteria 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:33.879 Clostridia It'll give you some mitochondrial 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.580 inflammation oxidative stress vitamins. It's 00:13:36.580 --> 00:13:40.580 really a comprehensive test The downsize is it's 00:13:40.580 --> 00:13:43.460 just one snapshot of one urine test and I mean 00:13:43.460 --> 00:13:46.419 that's kind of all tests in general and sometimes 00:13:46.419 --> 00:13:49.840 things are missed but It can really show a good 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:52.399 amount of chronic infection sources, you know 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:55.039 between like like I said the fungus and bacteria 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:56.919 kind of genre it's not very good at viruses, 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:00.740 but But that can be it can be a big piece. So 00:14:00.740 --> 00:14:02.779 those are kind of the two GI tests I would say 00:14:02.779 --> 00:14:05.720 you're asking specifically by GI is the oat organic 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:10.240 acid test and the and The stool test so super 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:14.620 helpful And, you know, that really does give, 00:14:14.700 --> 00:14:16.519 I mean, if the oat looks perfect, it's gorgeous, 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:18.220 then we're thinking, okay, this is pretty good, 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:20.759 but I've seen them in, you know, neurotypical 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:22.559 people and they're healthy, they're walking around 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:25.840 and their oats look pretty bad. Are you having 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:27.559 symptoms? Are you having problems sleeping? Are 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:30.019 you having joint pain? Oh yeah, my back does 00:14:30.019 --> 00:14:31.820 hurt a lot. I just thought it was aging, you 00:14:31.820 --> 00:14:34.039 know? And so there's a lot of symptoms that people 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:38.159 just chalk up to. just getting old or whatnot, 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:40.100 this is me, you know, and it's really an infection 00:14:40.100 --> 00:14:42.279 that they didn't know about or dysbiosis, you 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:45.980 know, some kind of abnormal balance. Brian, I 00:14:45.980 --> 00:14:49.259 can't hear you anymore. I'm not sure if that's. 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:51.279 How about now? There you are. Perfect. Now I 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:55.159 got you. Yeah, as you as you were talking, though, 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:57.440 I was like, stop talking to myself. So maybe 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:02.480 that was just it. Right. CSA, I put it together. 00:15:02.659 --> 00:15:04.919 That's comprehensive stool analysis. That's what 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:07.529 that's just what it is. Yes. Yeah, I was doing 00:15:07.529 --> 00:15:10.570 that a lot. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Because I'm ever 00:15:10.570 --> 00:15:12.429 confusing because it's hard, you know, you have 00:15:12.429 --> 00:15:14.649 the curse of knowledge. So I say these things 00:15:14.649 --> 00:15:16.450 and think, oh, everybody knows this is standard 00:15:16.450 --> 00:15:19.110 in my world. But of course, so please ask because, 00:15:19.110 --> 00:15:22.409 you know. Yeah. These types of labs are like 00:15:22.409 --> 00:15:26.769 so new to me. Yes. I'm famous on this. That's 00:15:26.769 --> 00:15:29.730 why I want to talk to you about it. Yeah. Can 00:15:29.730 --> 00:15:34.330 we go back to the MTHFR lab? What is that lab 00:15:34.330 --> 00:15:36.909 work or what is that draw? That's a good question. 00:15:37.009 --> 00:15:39.409 So it's a blood draw and now it's nice. You can 00:15:39.409 --> 00:15:41.990 get it through Quest or LabCorp, just your standard 00:15:41.990 --> 00:15:45.629 blood, you know, stations. And it's one test 00:15:45.629 --> 00:15:48.830 and it looks for the genetics specifically associated 00:15:48.830 --> 00:15:53.769 with methylated folate, you know, prior to the 00:15:53.769 --> 00:15:57.389 methylation cycles. So we, there's two gene variants 00:15:57.389 --> 00:16:04.049 that they look at C677 and then 1298 and They'll 00:16:04.049 --> 00:16:08.230 give you basically what genes you have. If you 00:16:08.230 --> 00:16:10.789 have all four of them as bad genes, like both 00:16:10.789 --> 00:16:13.230 alleles on both genes, I know that's kind of 00:16:13.230 --> 00:16:16.950 a lot of genetics, but basically you can have... 00:16:16.970 --> 00:16:19.149 four out of four of them good, three out of four 00:16:19.149 --> 00:16:21.090 of them good, two out of four, one out of four, 00:16:21.110 --> 00:16:23.929 and then zero out of four. Usually anybody that 00:16:23.929 --> 00:16:26.590 has more than two bad, it's not a viable pregnancy. 00:16:27.090 --> 00:16:29.230 So like most, you won't really find anybody walking 00:16:29.230 --> 00:16:33.350 around with three or more bad alleles in those 00:16:33.350 --> 00:16:36.250 two genes. So, because it just won't support 00:16:36.250 --> 00:16:39.909 life. And you know, the DNA won't get methylated 00:16:39.909 --> 00:16:41.549 properly, people won't grow, the development 00:16:41.549 --> 00:16:44.759 won't happen. So, but it's really important, 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.500 and I have so many patients. I had one of my 00:16:47.500 --> 00:16:49.700 best friends, I mean, she was having a lot of, 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:52.539 she just had another baby, and she was on her, 00:16:52.539 --> 00:16:55.019 after her fourth pregnancy, super fatigued, not 00:16:55.019 --> 00:16:58.340 feeling well, and we were just talking, and I 00:16:58.340 --> 00:17:00.179 thought, I asked her, have you tried methylfolate? 00:17:00.539 --> 00:17:02.299 You know, methylfolate, she's like, what's that? 00:17:02.460 --> 00:17:05.140 You know, so I gave her, I don't know what I 00:17:05.140 --> 00:17:07.000 gave her, I think it was five milligrams a day, 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:10.430 because. She wanted to see results, and she said 00:17:10.430 --> 00:17:12.329 it was game -changing. She said, this is life 00:17:12.329 --> 00:17:13.990 -changing. I have my energy back. I can take 00:17:13.990 --> 00:17:17.890 care of my kids. So some people, even if, like 00:17:17.890 --> 00:17:20.150 I said, you're not on the spectrum, you need 00:17:20.150 --> 00:17:22.369 that support. And it really does help. I take 00:17:22.369 --> 00:17:27.140 it every day. I feel much better. I know when 00:17:27.140 --> 00:17:29.720 I miss some of my methylated vitamins. I can 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:32.079 totally tell. I'm just dragging, my brain's not 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:35.279 as sharp. I'm walking around, I'm doing it, but 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:40.279 I'm not as clear. So it does matter. Is that 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:42.200 something that's prescribed or can you get that 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:43.740 over the counter? That one you can get over the 00:17:43.740 --> 00:17:45.519 counter, actually. Yeah, you can buy it at any 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:49.440 health food store online. Yeah, like I said, 00:17:49.619 --> 00:17:51.819 it's cheap, too. It's not expensive as far as 00:17:51.819 --> 00:17:55.099 supplements go. So ideally, we'd test for the 00:17:55.099 --> 00:17:58.640 gene and see if you have it and try the supplement. 00:17:59.059 --> 00:18:00.839 But if you're just on a budget and you're like, 00:18:00.980 --> 00:18:04.400 I can't afford to do this, you can try it on 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:06.660 your own. Obviously, this is not medical advice. 00:18:06.859 --> 00:18:09.359 I am not giving you direct medical advice. But 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:14.319 in general, the studies show that the side effects 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:17.269 are very low. it's very well tolerated, especially 00:18:17.269 --> 00:18:18.990 the supplement dose you're gonna get over the 00:18:18.990 --> 00:18:22.369 counter. They do have now some crazy high dose 00:18:22.369 --> 00:18:25.230 methylfolate, like 15 milligrams, and that's 00:18:25.230 --> 00:18:27.329 super high. I don't recommend anyone starting 00:18:27.329 --> 00:18:29.809 there because I do have parents that'll write 00:18:29.809 --> 00:18:32.349 me and say, hey, we started this and kids bouncing 00:18:32.349 --> 00:18:33.930 off the wall. And I'm like, no, no, no, that's 00:18:33.930 --> 00:18:36.730 way too high to start. Like that will almost 00:18:36.730 --> 00:18:38.829 always induce hyperactivity for a kid that's 00:18:38.829 --> 00:18:40.789 naive to methylfolate, like that hasn't taken 00:18:40.789 --> 00:18:44.660 it before. Yeah, so just be cautious. This is 00:18:44.660 --> 00:18:46.380 why I tell people, you know, it is ideal to work 00:18:46.380 --> 00:18:49.160 with a provider because You know parents think 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:51.240 oh we tried methylfolate and it was so bad and 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:52.920 it was just it was so bad for us And I don't 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:54.140 know what you're talking about But it was just 00:18:54.140 --> 00:18:56.559 the wrong dosing and you almost always have to 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:59.019 titrate it start low and and and titrate up. 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.460 So, huh? Yeah, in my small community. I know 00:19:03.460 --> 00:19:05.660 of someone that tried that and they have an autistic 00:19:05.660 --> 00:19:09.200 son Yeah, and they said it just didn't work and 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:11.839 I'm wondering if it just wasn't given properly 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.259 Yeah. Well, and the thing was, so like I said, 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:17.559 there's the methylation deficits, and sometimes 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:21.259 you can notice pretty quickly, but if we're dealing 00:19:21.259 --> 00:19:24.720 with cerebral folate deficiency, it takes a long 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:26.500 time. You know, the blood brain barrier has to 00:19:26.500 --> 00:19:29.460 shuttle in this folate, and it's kind of an active 00:19:29.460 --> 00:19:31.220 process. It's not a passive one, so it's not 00:19:31.220 --> 00:19:33.559 just kind of diffusing like osmosis. You know, 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:35.740 it's not just traveling, so it has to be shuttled 00:19:35.740 --> 00:19:39.500 in. So we find that it can take months. I mean, 00:19:39.539 --> 00:19:41.910 I have patients that don't... you know, three 00:19:41.910 --> 00:19:44.609 months, six months. Usually I will say we do 00:19:44.609 --> 00:19:46.630 it for, you know, the high -dose folate, the 00:19:46.630 --> 00:19:49.549 leucovore for six months. So before we're going 00:19:49.549 --> 00:19:51.990 to say did it work or not. And if you look at 00:19:51.990 --> 00:19:54.250 – and the number one thing I look at usually 00:19:54.250 --> 00:19:56.170 is cognition. I try to find – I mean, there's 00:19:56.170 --> 00:19:58.450 speech. Speech is a good marker because you can 00:19:58.450 --> 00:20:01.130 say, hey, how many words was he saying? Oh, he 00:20:01.130 --> 00:20:03.589 was saying one -word sentences or two, and now 00:20:03.589 --> 00:20:05.710 he's on to three, and that's a good sign, right? 00:20:05.789 --> 00:20:08.289 Anything – so we try to quantify it just so that 00:20:08.289 --> 00:20:12.440 we know if it's working. But also cognition. 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:14.539 How's he doing in school? How are his grades? 00:20:14.660 --> 00:20:18.019 Is he learning something new now? I like I know 00:20:18.019 --> 00:20:20.619 with my son We've been bumping up the doses of 00:20:20.619 --> 00:20:23.839 his lucavorn and I just I'm floored. I we'd stopped 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:26.819 it for a couple of years Because I've been doing 00:20:26.819 --> 00:20:29.380 this, you know for my own triplets and my my 00:20:29.380 --> 00:20:33.140 two boys with autism for a decade But I stopped 00:20:33.140 --> 00:20:34.799 it for a couple of years thinking, well, you 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:36.819 know, it's hard. It's a marathon. So we just 00:20:36.819 --> 00:20:39.339 stopped it because it was expensive and we didn't 00:20:39.339 --> 00:20:41.900 have insurance coverage for it at the time. And 00:20:41.900 --> 00:20:44.599 then we restarted it and he went from struggling 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.140 and, you know, barely making grades and kind 00:20:47.140 --> 00:20:49.180 of a gen ed. special ed kind of setting, but 00:20:49.180 --> 00:20:51.619 now he's in full gen ed and he's getting straight 00:20:51.619 --> 00:20:54.460 A's. And I, I just, I, maybe it's the Luca Voron, 00:20:54.460 --> 00:20:56.779 maybe it's not, I don't know, but it was a big, 00:20:56.779 --> 00:20:58.720 dramatic change. And even as teachers are pulling 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:00.920 me aside, like what's this kid's really, what 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:02.980 happened? Like he's like the last year and I'm 00:21:02.980 --> 00:21:05.079 like, oh, we started Luca Voron a year ago again. 00:21:05.859 --> 00:21:09.720 So, you know, I am a huge fan and I see it in 00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:12.440 other patients too. It's not just my story. So 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:14.799 like I said, it's been really popular online. 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:16.900 Everybody's been sharing these stories. I think 00:21:16.900 --> 00:21:19.660 because Dr. Fry, you saw that article. He was 00:21:19.660 --> 00:21:23.119 on CBS, I think. And so now it's just crazy because 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:25.700 everybody's like, what is this antibody and how 00:21:25.700 --> 00:21:28.099 do we treat it? Nobody knew about it. And I love 00:21:28.099 --> 00:21:31.029 that. I love it because You know that there's 00:21:31.029 --> 00:21:33.910 this idea that we're finally getting to some 00:21:33.910 --> 00:21:36.210 root causes There's an antibody that prevents 00:21:36.210 --> 00:21:37.829 folate from getting into the brain. It doesn't 00:21:37.829 --> 00:21:40.049 grow properly. It makes sense It makes sense 00:21:40.049 --> 00:21:43.250 from a developmental standpoint and it it it 00:21:43.250 --> 00:21:46.150 helps I mean there's I just presented we we did 00:21:46.150 --> 00:21:48.150 at the talk a conference There was a big meta 00:21:48.150 --> 00:21:51.170 analysis and it every time if there's been a 00:21:51.170 --> 00:21:53.049 couple now and they're statistically significant 00:21:53.049 --> 00:21:55.730 I mean it does show that it helps in double blind 00:21:55.730 --> 00:22:00.630 placebo trials. So It's not just hearsay and 00:22:00.630 --> 00:22:03.390 anecdotal stories. So it's pretty cool stuff. 00:22:04.329 --> 00:22:06.430 And again, it's wrapping it around a pregnancy. 00:22:07.250 --> 00:22:12.170 You can give it to mothers too. I have it. So 00:22:12.170 --> 00:22:13.950 maybe that was part of my issue. I don't know 00:22:13.950 --> 00:22:16.309 if I had it during my pregnancy. I mean, we didn't 00:22:16.309 --> 00:22:17.890 even know about it back when I was pregnant, 00:22:18.589 --> 00:22:23.609 but I wish I had, but I take it now. And yeah, 00:22:23.789 --> 00:22:27.269 I mean, it's helped me a lot. Seems like from 00:22:27.269 --> 00:22:29.890 the mother it could help her develop the placenta 00:22:29.890 --> 00:22:33.190 is what I'm thinking. I don't know but because 00:22:33.190 --> 00:22:35.970 she has a vital role with the placenta. Yeah 00:22:35.970 --> 00:22:38.609 I mean it's it's critical I mean the studies 00:22:38.609 --> 00:22:40.750 have shown that the developmental changes that 00:22:40.750 --> 00:22:43.069 they've found in utero seem to happen yeah that 00:22:43.069 --> 00:22:46.289 early development that first trimester so obviously 00:22:46.289 --> 00:22:48.309 placenta develops within the first few weeks 00:22:48.309 --> 00:22:52.970 of pregnancy um but yeah that first 12 weeks 00:22:52.970 --> 00:22:55.789 you know the First trimesters use it first 12 00:22:55.789 --> 00:23:02.509 13 weeks. So Yeah, make sense But yeah Yeah, 00:23:02.569 --> 00:23:06.289 and in speech communication is a big Improvement 00:23:06.289 --> 00:23:08.869 and I was thinking about the canner papers the 00:23:08.869 --> 00:23:11.750 the initial canner paper. He had three non verbals 00:23:11.750 --> 00:23:15.470 in there. Yeah, Richard Herbert in Virginia and 00:23:15.470 --> 00:23:18.210 two of them at the time of the publishing We're 00:23:18.210 --> 00:23:21.170 beginning to talk. Yeah, I was wondering I wonder 00:23:21.170 --> 00:23:25.009 if that with this flenic acid is doing is like 00:23:25.009 --> 00:23:27.130 helping the connections like between where they 00:23:27.130 --> 00:23:29.730 key and broker just helping out the connections 00:23:29.730 --> 00:23:34.170 there with the yeah, still connect areas. Yeah. 00:23:34.930 --> 00:23:37.609 This is what I was imagining. Yeah, I mean, connectivity 00:23:37.609 --> 00:23:39.630 in the brain is huge. And you have to have growth. 00:23:39.750 --> 00:23:42.609 I mean, DNA replication and growth. I mean, just 00:23:42.609 --> 00:23:46.049 the simple like, you know, terms that we learned 00:23:46.049 --> 00:23:48.710 in biology, you know, I mean, it drives the whole 00:23:48.710 --> 00:23:51.549 process. And so like I said, it Like, yeah, I 00:23:51.549 --> 00:23:52.910 mean, when you have more connectivity, you're 00:23:52.910 --> 00:23:57.490 going to be less focused on one particular area 00:23:57.490 --> 00:24:00.410 of your brain, you know? And, you know, it's 00:24:00.410 --> 00:24:03.750 hard, it's hard with autism. I mean, I wanted 00:24:03.750 --> 00:24:05.589 to get, we'll get to this later, but I did want 00:24:05.589 --> 00:24:07.349 to bring up those telepathy tapes because it 00:24:07.349 --> 00:24:10.089 brings up a whole, I mean, it blew my mind when 00:24:10.089 --> 00:24:12.799 I listened to it. I'm kind of half obsessed with 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:14.900 it because, you know, as my scientist brain, 00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.519 I'm starting thinking, OK, so maybe it is the 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:19.700 connectivity. Maybe they don't have as much connectivity. 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.900 Maybe there's certain areas of the brain that 00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:26.180 are more active than a typical brain that's working 00:24:26.180 --> 00:24:27.900 all together. And so maybe they do. That's part 00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:31.619 of the, you know, part of the savant -ish skills. 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:35.059 You know, I have so many kind of quack theories 00:24:35.059 --> 00:24:37.519 on my own that I just sit at night at 2 a .m. 00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:41.900 and come up with that I'd love to test, but obviously 00:24:41.900 --> 00:24:45.640 we don't know. So, I mean, there's a lot of people 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:47.779 that are like, oh, it's hooey and it's not real. 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:51.119 And I understand skepticism. It's healthy to 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:54.920 have skepticism, but I love doing the opposite. 00:24:55.019 --> 00:24:57.019 I'm like, well, what if it's true? I mean, we 00:24:57.019 --> 00:24:59.720 don't know it's true, but let's assume it's true. 00:24:59.859 --> 00:25:01.900 It's a science, right? And then take that hypothesis 00:25:01.900 --> 00:25:03.339 further. What would that mean? What would that 00:25:03.339 --> 00:25:05.619 look like? How would that happen? So anyway. 00:25:06.190 --> 00:25:08.950 There's been independent studies on telepathy 00:25:08.950 --> 00:25:12.769 outside of autism and non verbals. Yes Significant 00:25:12.769 --> 00:25:18.009 papers to you. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's 00:25:18.009 --> 00:25:23.529 um K was on Joe Rogan recently. Yes. Oh, hi. 00:25:23.849 --> 00:25:28.130 Yeah. Yeah. Hi Yeah, so I said they don't like 00:25:28.130 --> 00:25:30.509 to be they don't like whenever their question 00:25:30.509 --> 00:25:32.970 their capacity to think or question You know, 00:25:32.970 --> 00:25:34.990 they don't they don't want to be proven wrong 00:25:34.990 --> 00:25:39.460 and so forth So it's kind of a tough arena to 00:25:39.460 --> 00:25:43.660 get into. It is, it is tough. And I think unfortunately, 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:45.619 I mean, or fortunately, I mean, that's where 00:25:45.619 --> 00:25:47.700 the money's made, right? I mean, it's people 00:25:47.700 --> 00:25:50.960 that are thinking outside the box that are, you 00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:54.640 know, that are that are questioning. Why is this? 00:25:54.779 --> 00:25:56.539 What is this? And that's where the breakthroughs 00:25:56.539 --> 00:25:58.319 happen. It's not like, well, yes, this is what 00:25:58.319 --> 00:25:59.700 we know, and we're just going to go down the 00:25:59.700 --> 00:26:01.720 same road. I mean, you know, if it's working, 00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:03.559 it's working. But in the case of autism, I mean, 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:06.599 the rates are increasing. And, you know, I mean, 00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:08.900 my my kids tell me, you know, like, yeah, there's 00:26:08.900 --> 00:26:10.880 a lot of kids. I mean, there's one in in my kids 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:12.619 classrooms, there's one in 20 kids, you know, 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:14.660 one every kid, there's at least a kid with autism 00:26:14.660 --> 00:26:18.970 in each classroom. So, you know, and Yeah, and 00:26:18.970 --> 00:26:20.329 so that's why I'm here. What are we gonna do? 00:26:20.390 --> 00:26:23.569 What are we doing about it? Let's do something 00:26:23.569 --> 00:26:27.990 Meaningful meaning like there's a delay or respond, 00:26:28.049 --> 00:26:32.309 you know, right But it sounds like what you described 00:26:32.309 --> 00:26:36.369 so far is like the pre -pregnancy Into the pregnancy 00:26:36.369 --> 00:26:38.450 is kind of the same thing. It's just different 00:26:38.450 --> 00:26:43.190 time points Essentially yeah, I mean I you know 00:26:43.190 --> 00:26:45.390 like like for example with the dysbiosis and 00:26:45.390 --> 00:26:48.950 I was I think about PCOS is in maternal PCOS 00:26:48.950 --> 00:26:53.470 polycystic ovarian syndrome It's correlated with 00:26:53.470 --> 00:26:55.829 Autism and offspring. I think it's like there 00:26:55.829 --> 00:26:57.509 was a study that was like it was four times more 00:26:57.509 --> 00:27:00.930 likely You know if to have a child with with 00:27:00.930 --> 00:27:05.349 autism and so, you know, the question is okay, 00:27:05.390 --> 00:27:09.259 so what causes PCOS, and that's typically a dysbiosis, 00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:14.960 and there's hormonal involvement. And so what 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.920 are the hormones involved? And then that seems 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.980 to pass on to children as well, as far as there's 00:27:22.980 --> 00:27:25.660 kind of correlating back to your cholesterol. 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:28.480 I know where you're going with this, is that... 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:30.759 There's a lot of hormonal abnormalities in kids 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:32.839 with autism, and I see it. I see that, you know, 00:27:32.900 --> 00:27:34.720 there's kids with high testosterone. I see a 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:38.440 lot of kids with excess estrogen, a lot of cortisol 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:44.160 deficiency, and then we also see hypo -cholesterol, 00:27:44.220 --> 00:27:47.619 you know, EMEA, like low cholesterol, and we 00:27:47.619 --> 00:27:49.640 see that. I see it pretty frequently. I mean, 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:52.099 to the point where it's maybe, I don't know, 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:57.680 I would guess one in four, five. where it's lower 00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:00.440 than the threshold that we talk about. And so 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:02.319 sometimes you'll see that in the moms, like low 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:04.799 cholesterol in moms can be associated with lower 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:07.900 cholesterol in the children, which can lead to 00:28:07.900 --> 00:28:12.380 impaired brain development as well. So hormones 00:28:12.380 --> 00:28:15.420 are a big deal to check as well. Yeah. Is that 00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:19.099 the total cholesterol or what on the lipid panel 00:28:19.099 --> 00:28:22.690 is it specifically? Yeah, so what we obviously 00:28:22.690 --> 00:28:25.890 there I mean cholesterol is its own kind of functional 00:28:25.890 --> 00:28:29.190 medicine Specialty and you can go really in depth 00:28:29.190 --> 00:28:31.990 with adults and I've listened to talks with By 00:28:31.990 --> 00:28:33.829 by Peter Tia and things that he really gets into 00:28:33.829 --> 00:28:38.109 it. I love him, but I just for our purposes and 00:28:38.109 --> 00:28:40.289 from what we try to base it off of the literature 00:28:40.289 --> 00:28:42.990 specifically with autism So we look at total 00:28:42.990 --> 00:28:44.950 cholesterol most of the studies look at total 00:28:44.950 --> 00:28:46.809 cholesterol. And so that's what we base it off 00:28:46.809 --> 00:28:50.109 of We don't usually get um, at least in the younger 00:28:50.109 --> 00:28:52.730 kids a full lipid profile. We just get the total 00:28:52.730 --> 00:28:56.809 and in our practice, I mean we typically treat 00:28:56.809 --> 00:29:01.089 when it's less than 145 and I mean, it's it's 00:29:01.089 --> 00:29:03.029 crazy because you know, like I said there is 00:29:03.029 --> 00:29:06.920 a subpopulation of kids with autism that have 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:10.500 this low cholesterol and You can see it very 00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:13.980 frequently. I mean In the mood disorders, you 00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:16.319 know, the kids will be very grumpy. They will 00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.660 usually be very irritable Moody up -and -down 00:29:19.660 --> 00:29:22.099 mood swings, you know, they're just they feel 00:29:22.099 --> 00:29:25.700 very emotionally dysregulated and Aggression, 00:29:25.980 --> 00:29:29.609 you know, we'll see it and even But cognition 00:29:29.609 --> 00:29:31.910 can be tricky. But when I see a moody child, 00:29:32.029 --> 00:29:34.150 I'm like, let's check cholesterol. It's one of 00:29:34.150 --> 00:29:38.049 the things we look at. And what's going on there? 00:29:39.230 --> 00:29:41.049 Because I mean, cholesterol is such a tricky. 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:45.420 It's such a tricky topic because it's been kind 00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:47.839 of Western medicine eyes for so long and we think 00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.960 it's the devil and we're like this is just Cholesterol's 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.619 clogging arteries and causing death and I mean 00:29:53.619 --> 00:29:55.799 it is an absolute essential nutrient for brain 00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:58.759 growth I mean it myelin it's the nerves it causes, 00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:02.799 you know So, you know transmission communication. 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:06.799 I mean, there's a lot going on with that, you 00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:09.359 know with healthy fat with cholesterol and so 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:14.240 Yeah, I mean, we know this, and even in generalized 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.440 medicine, you can do a PubMed search, and it's 00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.500 associated with other neurodegenerative disorders 00:30:19.500 --> 00:30:21.700 like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. If you do a 00:30:21.700 --> 00:30:24.000 PubMed search like low cholesterol, there's several 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:26.680 studies that say low cholesterol causes Parkinson's 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.240 or has contributed to with Parkinson's or Alzheimer's. 00:30:31.019 --> 00:30:33.920 So I think it's important that we really question, 00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:37.180 like, well. where does it need to be, you know? 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.700 I mean, it's low definitely seems to be bad. 00:30:39.740 --> 00:30:42.259 I mean, at a certain point. Now, you know, do 00:30:42.259 --> 00:30:44.619 I let, I mean, kids run around with a total cholesterol 00:30:44.619 --> 00:30:46.759 300. I don't know. I mean, maybe, you know, I 00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:49.279 think at a certain point we need to look at both 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.440 ends of the spectrum. But, you know, there is 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:54.160 a point I think where too low is dangerous and 00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:57.359 we see it. We see it in our kids, you know? And 00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.160 we treat it. We treat it. It's actually really 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:03.910 cool. I mean, there is a supplement. it's called 00:31:03.910 --> 00:31:06.849 sonic cholesterol, and it's actually cholesterol 00:31:06.849 --> 00:31:09.470 capsules. I mean, we, ironically, everybody's 00:31:09.470 --> 00:31:11.210 trying to lower cholesterol. And we actually, 00:31:11.269 --> 00:31:14.769 we prescribe cholesterol to some our kids if 00:31:14.769 --> 00:31:18.630 they're low on labs. And it helps, it helps like 00:31:18.630 --> 00:31:22.289 sometimes stabilize mood. And it helps with sometimes 00:31:22.289 --> 00:31:27.130 attention, sometimes cognition. But, you know, 00:31:27.170 --> 00:31:30.279 and of course, too. we try to treat with food, 00:31:30.460 --> 00:31:32.619 usually one of those capsules is equivalent to 00:31:32.619 --> 00:31:35.000 about the amount of cholesterol in one egg. So 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:38.000 if the child's not allergic to eggs, then I'll 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.279 say, hey, let's get some free range, you know, 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.019 organic eggs and try to do two of them a day. 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:46.140 It's usually where we kind of start, but obviously 00:31:46.140 --> 00:31:49.359 depending on the child and what they need. But 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.420 it's true in mothers too. So looking at cholesterol. 00:31:53.670 --> 00:31:56.150 I think, you know, I just saw, and I can't quote 00:31:56.150 --> 00:31:58.609 this, I just saw it on X and somebody had posted 00:31:58.609 --> 00:32:01.609 this small little abstract, but they had an odds 00:32:01.609 --> 00:32:05.470 ratio of disease development and they actually 00:32:05.470 --> 00:32:10.289 found that, like the optimal cholesterol level, 00:32:10.329 --> 00:32:13.410 total cholesterol to decrease overall mortality 00:32:13.410 --> 00:32:17.099 was 220. was around the optimal range. And that 00:32:17.099 --> 00:32:19.720 when it got below like 160, they found that the 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:21.460 disease ratio went up. And then when it got above 00:32:21.460 --> 00:32:23.980 like 280, the disease ratio also went up. So 00:32:23.980 --> 00:32:27.420 it was kind of this bull curve of like, you know, 00:32:27.460 --> 00:32:30.440 cholesterol, like around 200 or 220 even higher 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.599 is, it seems to be really protective, protective 00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:37.299 of the body and the brain and yeah, particularly 00:32:37.299 --> 00:32:40.720 the brain. But it is responsible for hormone 00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:42.880 production. So you need it to make cortisol. 00:32:43.409 --> 00:32:47.750 and to buffer you from stress. Wow. Yeah, that's 00:32:47.750 --> 00:32:50.710 why I had a bookmarked for later because... I 00:32:50.710 --> 00:32:52.190 know, I'm sorry. I could have jumped into it, 00:32:52.190 --> 00:32:54.470 but it was relating to hormones. Yeah, yeah, 00:32:54.470 --> 00:32:56.930 you're fine. I'm glad we got to talk about it 00:32:56.930 --> 00:32:59.450 because whenever I saw that post on Next, I was 00:32:59.450 --> 00:33:02.970 like, whoa, that's... I've never considered that. 00:33:03.009 --> 00:33:06.309 Yeah. Low cholesterol and this correlating with 00:33:06.309 --> 00:33:09.579 these problems. Yeah, well just as a personal 00:33:09.579 --> 00:33:12.160 story. I mean I can share I've had I've always 00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.740 had my family we have high cholesterol like the 00:33:14.740 --> 00:33:20.259 hyper familial cholesterol and I You know, it's 00:33:20.259 --> 00:33:21.819 always been a little high. I don't know like 00:33:21.819 --> 00:33:24.059 220 maybe 230 You know, it's been a little always 00:33:24.059 --> 00:33:26.059 a little over 200 and my doctor's like even when 00:33:26.059 --> 00:33:28.480 I was like 19 You know and my doctor's like that's 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:29.940 kind of weird. You're kind of young for that 00:33:29.940 --> 00:33:32.960 because I've never been terribly overweight and 00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.400 so When I got married and we had our wedding 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:40.319 in Cancun, I did what all women do. I lost all 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:43.619 this weight and I went on this ultra low calorie, 00:33:43.660 --> 00:33:47.640 low fat diet and I lost a bunch of weight. And 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.480 I don't know, I think I got my BMI down to like 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:55.339 20 or something. And I remember my doctor. Tested 00:33:55.339 --> 00:33:57.119 my cholesterol and he's like, oh wow, this is 00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.279 the first time your cholesterol has been normal. 00:33:59.420 --> 00:34:01.559 I congratulations and I'm like, well, yeah, that's 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:03.759 great But I haven't I haven't menstruated in 00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:07.819 over a year and he's like what so I know it's 00:34:07.819 --> 00:34:10.079 a little personal But I actually stopped when 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:12.840 my cholesterol got normal my hormones shut down 00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.599 and I just stopped menstruating like for my body 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.420 Getting to that lean body mass BMI of 20 21 getting 00:34:19.420 --> 00:34:22.139 my cholesterol normal my hormones shut down and 00:34:22.139 --> 00:34:25.280 they even did like a They did a progesterone 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:27.119 challenge test for me. Like, well, maybe you 00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:29.659 need progesterone, but not estrogen. And I failed 00:34:29.659 --> 00:34:31.480 it. He's like, you don't even have any hormones. 00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:34.400 Like you don't have enough estrogen or progesterone. 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:36.760 And he was kind of baffled. I remember he was 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:38.079 sitting there and I'm like, I don't know, but 00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.800 my body just knows. And I wasn't eating enough. 00:34:40.820 --> 00:34:42.639 And as soon as I started eating more and going 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:47.800 back on a normal diet, then, you know, I started 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:49.599 menstruating again and everything was in. And 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:51.920 then my cholesterol went back up to 230 and he's 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:53.440 like, well, here you are again. And I'm like, 00:34:54.139 --> 00:34:56.960 Yeah, you know, I don't mean so I just it was 00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.280 a lesson for me like I have to listen to my body 00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.340 my body You know is telling me and you know, 00:35:02.380 --> 00:35:03.980 and I remember back then too, you know And there 00:35:03.980 --> 00:35:05.780 was probably my thyroid wasn't happy with me 00:35:05.780 --> 00:35:07.679 either. I mean I was cold I was a little more 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.820 fatigued I wasn't as like energetic and I'm like, 00:35:11.019 --> 00:35:13.719 oh shoot like I so I kind of dumped that cholesterol 00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.340 paradigm just off of my own personal story a 00:35:16.340 --> 00:35:20.070 while ago like cuz they you know And my family's 00:35:20.070 --> 00:35:21.989 like that too. Like they all kind of have it. 00:35:21.989 --> 00:35:25.590 And so maybe it's buffering toxins. Maybe I need 00:35:25.590 --> 00:35:27.949 more for my cortisol because I'm a high energy 00:35:27.949 --> 00:35:31.090 person, you know, I mean, maybe, you know, I 00:35:31.090 --> 00:35:32.869 mean, I've, I don't know. I mean, I could, I 00:35:32.869 --> 00:35:36.070 could make theories, but my whole point is yeah, 00:35:36.170 --> 00:35:37.710 cholesterol is definitely not the devil. You 00:35:37.710 --> 00:35:40.309 definitely need it, you know, and we don't need 00:35:40.309 --> 00:35:42.889 to lower the, we don't need to lower everybody 00:35:42.889 --> 00:35:46.130 as low as we can get to make the, that's, it's 00:35:46.130 --> 00:35:47.829 not, I don't think that's a picture of health. 00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:50.559 You know, I think that's what health looks like. 00:35:51.019 --> 00:35:54.880 The ranges are pretty suspicious, I think. Maybe 00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.079 I shouldn't say suspicious. It's just very questionable. 00:35:57.380 --> 00:36:02.679 Yeah. Like the new ranges. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:36:02.900 --> 00:36:05.900 I mean, it's pretty aggressive. You know, when 00:36:05.900 --> 00:36:09.820 I have done primary care, I... You know, I try 00:36:09.820 --> 00:36:11.659 to just be reasonable, you know Like you said 00:36:11.659 --> 00:36:13.280 there is a point where I think you should treat 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.800 and you know If it's getting up to 300 and there's 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:17.519 risk factors and things that can okay. Let's 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:20.500 let's look at this but But yeah, I mean some 00:36:20.500 --> 00:36:23.219 of the the recommendations are pretty low for 00:36:23.219 --> 00:36:26.119 people if post stroke or heart attack It's you 00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:28.099 know, they're getting their total cholesterol 00:36:28.099 --> 00:36:32.440 really low. So yeah Makes me worry. Yeah. Yeah, 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:36.679 and just It's suffering so fading with vitamin 00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.579 D I mean, it's optimal. That's the way it should 00:36:39.579 --> 00:36:42.699 be. Yeah. That's what it's supposed to be doing. 00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:46.860 The 7 -DHC, I think. 7 -DHC and the vitamin D. 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.880 I like my hormones. I mean, we need hormones. 00:36:49.059 --> 00:36:51.460 Yeah, I like my cortisol and my estrogen and 00:36:51.460 --> 00:36:53.219 my testosterone and testosterone and vitamin 00:36:53.219 --> 00:36:56.719 D and all, you know, yeah. I mean, it's all good. 00:36:56.940 --> 00:37:03.750 It's all good. We need it. I'll take it. What 00:37:03.750 --> 00:37:06.369 are some of the symptoms of dysbiosis? Could 00:37:06.369 --> 00:37:08.989 you explain that to me? Yeah, yeah, that's a 00:37:08.989 --> 00:37:11.309 great question. Well, you know, and we see it 00:37:11.309 --> 00:37:15.349 like most kids have some form of dysbiosis. And 00:37:15.349 --> 00:37:17.130 what does that mean? I mean, it's this kind of 00:37:17.130 --> 00:37:19.570 weird word. It just basically means something 00:37:19.570 --> 00:37:23.349 is kind of atypical or off about the microbiome. 00:37:23.869 --> 00:37:30.369 So it's a blanket all term, but, you know. Studies 00:37:30.369 --> 00:37:32.829 have shown like so autism is interesting It has 00:37:32.829 --> 00:37:35.030 its own kind of metabolic profile in the gut 00:37:35.030 --> 00:37:38.710 like this own microbiome profile so they find 00:37:38.710 --> 00:37:41.389 that what they they can almost look at neurotypical 00:37:41.389 --> 00:37:44.090 kids and then look at their microbiome and look 00:37:44.090 --> 00:37:46.909 at autistic kids and There's a different they 00:37:46.909 --> 00:37:49.010 can see the difference even just by looking at 00:37:49.010 --> 00:37:52.030 this little fingerprint of bacteria And there's 00:37:52.030 --> 00:37:55.190 several key things that are different a lot of 00:37:55.190 --> 00:37:56.650 studies. There's been several that have shown 00:37:56.650 --> 00:38:01.380 that it's It's kind of very in -depth in microbiology, 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:03.920 but there's something called formicides and then 00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:06.539 bacteroides, and these are kind of larger groups, 00:38:06.900 --> 00:38:09.739 larger genre of bacteria. And most people in 00:38:09.739 --> 00:38:13.159 the Western world have more formicides than they 00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:17.199 do as bacteroides. And that's actually... in 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.039 general, buffers for carbohydrate metabolism. 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.179 It buffers. It's more anti -inflammatory in general. 00:38:23.739 --> 00:38:26.559 But with autism, there's this skewed ratio of 00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:29.940 having this increased bacteroides. And so there's 00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:32.699 a lot of theories, and it all is, from what I 00:38:32.699 --> 00:38:34.380 have understood, just theories at this point. 00:38:34.619 --> 00:38:36.820 Maybe they don't digest carbohydrates as well, 00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:40.380 or maybe, you know, who knows? I mean, maybe 00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:42.760 this is what inflammation does. I mean, I don't 00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:45.710 think they're really I haven't read anything 00:38:45.710 --> 00:38:47.530 that we know what the root cause is, but there 00:38:47.530 --> 00:38:50.369 seems to be a fingerprint. And so what we find 00:38:50.369 --> 00:38:54.510 is that there's a lot of overgrowth of these 00:38:54.510 --> 00:38:57.730 pathogenic bacteria at a much greater rate than 00:38:57.730 --> 00:39:02.650 a neurotypical child. So, you know, you'll have 00:39:02.650 --> 00:39:05.349 oftentimes these bad clostridia, like C. diff, 00:39:05.409 --> 00:39:09.050 clostridia difficile overgrowth. And so you asked, 00:39:09.429 --> 00:39:11.710 to your point, like symptoms you might find. 00:39:11.769 --> 00:39:16.099 And usually, again, with a lot of bacterial overgrowth, 00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:20.179 I'll find diarrhea, you know, I mean, but, you 00:39:20.179 --> 00:39:24.219 know, any kind of floating stools, malabsorption, 00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:27.280 like, so you see actual, like, maldigestion, 00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:29.940 so you'll see food in the in the toilet, you 00:39:29.940 --> 00:39:32.900 know, in the stool. You'll see a lot of bloating. 00:39:33.139 --> 00:39:35.579 Bloating is probably the number one symptom I 00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:40.340 see in young kids. You won't necessarily know. 00:39:40.980 --> 00:39:42.800 because sometimes little kids kind of have a 00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.739 little belly anyway, right? But kids that are 00:39:45.739 --> 00:39:47.760 what they call posturing, so if they're leaning 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.420 over a table, and I can't show you here on the 00:39:50.420 --> 00:39:52.860 video, but just kind of like pressing on things, 00:39:52.980 --> 00:39:54.900 like they'll usually go to the corner of a table 00:39:54.900 --> 00:39:56.559 and push their belly on it, and they're kind 00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:00.079 of scrunched up. Or just curling up in a ball, 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.019 like they'll often be pressing on it. And not 00:40:03.019 --> 00:40:05.199 usually with their hands, ironically, I don't 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.440 know why. They're usually pressing on it with 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:11.809 an outside object, like a couch. or something 00:40:11.809 --> 00:40:14.409 and they'll lean on it. And so that's kind of 00:40:14.409 --> 00:40:17.170 a symptom of bloating dysbiosis. And you can 00:40:17.170 --> 00:40:21.690 see that even in little babies, when a symptom 00:40:21.690 --> 00:40:24.670 is that the babies will be in that fetal position, 00:40:25.050 --> 00:40:28.869 they'll be on their, they'll be kneeling with. 00:40:29.670 --> 00:40:31.590 Like I said their knees on the ground and they'll 00:40:31.590 --> 00:40:33.269 kind of be like this and their butts in the air 00:40:33.269 --> 00:40:34.769 if you've ever seen how they kind of push they 00:40:34.769 --> 00:40:36.130 kind of scrunch up and have their butt in the 00:40:36.130 --> 00:40:38.489 air and that's kind of a sign of fetal bloating 00:40:38.489 --> 00:40:41.130 and digestion even you know under kids under 00:40:41.130 --> 00:40:45.289 one year old and so and obviously gas is big 00:40:45.289 --> 00:40:47.170 with you know you'll have the gas the bloating 00:40:47.170 --> 00:40:50.670 the burping and a young baby a lot of reflex 00:40:50.670 --> 00:40:53.769 and those readings are I mean they happen on 00:40:53.769 --> 00:40:56.690 occasion and we all get those but if it's a chronic 00:40:56.690 --> 00:41:00.510 daily thing then you need to check it out, you 00:41:00.510 --> 00:41:05.869 know? Yeah. So again, adults, yeah, it can be 00:41:05.869 --> 00:41:09.889 any of those. Yeah. Yeah. For children, I had 00:41:09.889 --> 00:41:14.289 a question about how do you get the child, especially 00:41:14.289 --> 00:41:18.869 an autistic child, even nonverbal, how do you 00:41:18.869 --> 00:41:21.329 get them to convey what is actually going on 00:41:21.329 --> 00:41:25.510 with some of these symptoms? It's hard. It's 00:41:25.510 --> 00:41:29.539 hard. And, you know, that is a big Complaint 00:41:29.539 --> 00:41:31.219 I hear all the time of parents like how do I 00:41:31.219 --> 00:41:33.739 know how do I know and so and you don't always 00:41:33.739 --> 00:41:36.699 know I mean Again, there's the pressing on the 00:41:36.699 --> 00:41:40.480 belly. There's frequent gas, but I'm always assuming 00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.760 You know when I hear of a lot of self -injurious 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:48.420 behaviors, we usually test So I mean and personally 00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:52.360 like I said with my son on you know at the time 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:56.019 he was too and he regressed and I know it was 00:41:56.019 --> 00:41:58.420 his stool totally regressed with him. I mean 00:41:58.420 --> 00:42:00.800 he was having fairly regular bowel movements 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.559 and then it started to get mushy and then you 00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:06.500 know smelly and then he was smearing it and he 00:42:06.500 --> 00:42:08.480 stopped talking and then he was smearing it all 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:10.280 over the wall like he and you could tell it bothered 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:12.139 him because he would just reach in and be like 00:42:12.139 --> 00:42:14.300 he wanted it off of him you know and then he 00:42:14.300 --> 00:42:16.500 just then it was gross and he just he just was 00:42:16.500 --> 00:42:17.980 it was bothering him he was always having his 00:42:17.980 --> 00:42:21.980 hands in his pants and um And so I, you know, 00:42:21.980 --> 00:42:24.500 I just kind of knew, okay, this isn't normal. 00:42:24.539 --> 00:42:26.699 Like he regressed, but his stool also regressed. 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:28.880 And, you know, I had to treat that and we had 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.400 to do something. Cause it just, it seemed he 00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:33.440 didn't really want to eat. He started, he started, 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:35.539 you know, refusing food that he had normally 00:42:35.539 --> 00:42:38.440 eaten. So again, picky eaters is another big 00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:41.699 sign. If they're not wanting to eat, you know, 00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:44.139 food versions, I'm thinking, okay, what's going 00:42:44.139 --> 00:42:48.739 on in there. And so, there's a lot of reasons. 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:51.139 I mean, anything whether they're not, you know, 00:42:51.300 --> 00:42:52.920 their stool's abnormal, they're not eating, but 00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:56.320 yeah, oh, and so my point was, the self -injurious 00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:58.159 behavior, as part of it, when he regressed, he 00:42:58.159 --> 00:42:59.679 would just start hitting his head against the 00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.480 wall. And this was out of nowhere, and I just 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:04.719 would see him, and he'd just be banging it. And 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:06.500 I mean, as a mother, you're like, holy, like, 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.239 what do I do? You know, it's so distressing. 00:43:10.099 --> 00:43:12.739 But I just had this sense that, intuitively, 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.150 that he was in pain. It looks like pain. Is there 00:43:15.150 --> 00:43:19.289 something bothering him? So when you think pain, 00:43:19.929 --> 00:43:23.690 I always think first, the gut. Something's going 00:43:23.690 --> 00:43:25.809 on there. So yeah, self -injurious, definitely 00:43:25.809 --> 00:43:29.889 we look at that. And it can be hard. It's very 00:43:29.889 --> 00:43:32.550 hard. Some of these kids, it's hard to treat. 00:43:34.309 --> 00:43:37.889 It's hard to figure out, because there's different 00:43:37.889 --> 00:43:39.710 kinds of dysbiosis. Like I said, there's some 00:43:39.710 --> 00:43:42.000 kinds of... bacterial overgrowth and there's 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.739 fungal overgrowth or both, and then they'll have, 00:43:44.739 --> 00:43:47.820 you know, C. diff on top of it. And, you know, 00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:52.139 it can be very complicated. But, you know, we 00:43:52.139 --> 00:43:54.139 have to try and piece it apart. I mean, it's, 00:43:54.300 --> 00:43:56.139 it's, in my opinion, I'm, I'm, I'm very aggressive 00:43:56.139 --> 00:43:57.780 with the gut, because I think, just in testing 00:43:57.780 --> 00:43:59.280 and treatment, because it's like, if you leave 00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:01.099 it, it's not usually, I mean, sometimes it gets 00:44:01.099 --> 00:44:03.880 better if there was a, if there was a, like, 00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:05.980 say they get a virus, like my kids, like, they 00:44:05.980 --> 00:44:08.900 got the flu a few weeks ago, and, you know, they 00:44:08.900 --> 00:44:10.420 didn't want to eat, and they kind of vomited 00:44:10.420 --> 00:44:12.619 a few times, and, but, you know, now that they're 00:44:12.619 --> 00:44:15.340 better, it seems to be getting better, but, you 00:44:15.340 --> 00:44:17.159 know, if it's a chronic issue, then you have 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:18.760 to address it, otherwise it won't resolve on 00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:22.659 its own. It may not. Sometimes it does, but it 00:44:22.659 --> 00:44:26.500 may not. Yeah. Gastrointestinal problems is there's 00:44:26.500 --> 00:44:29.820 like three comorbid problems that are so common 00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:32.639 with autism and gastrointestinal is one of those. 00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.320 Yes, autistic child or even adult will have gastrointestinal 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.840 problems. Yeah. And I mean, the first thing that 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:44.219 we do when we when I see patients is I, you know, 00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:45.719 I ask them, how are you, how are you pooping? 00:44:45.739 --> 00:44:47.659 And almost all of them are constipated, not all, 00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:50.739 but maybe. three -quarters, maybe two -thirds. 00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.400 So, you know, getting the bowel movement is key 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:58.159 to getting things started, to just, you know, 00:44:58.300 --> 00:45:01.400 removing toxins. These kids, either from the 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:03.360 inflammation in their gut or the mitochondrial 00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:07.300 dysfunction or just, you know, not enough good 00:45:07.300 --> 00:45:09.960 bacteria, you know, sometimes the gut will just 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.079 shut down. It just stops moving. The peristalsis 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:14.989 slows down. And then that's when they get really 00:45:14.989 --> 00:45:17.650 sick because they're not digesting. They're not 00:45:17.650 --> 00:45:20.309 kicking out toxins. The body's meant to poop 00:45:20.309 --> 00:45:23.590 every day. And if it's not, they don't feel well. 00:45:24.469 --> 00:45:27.309 So it's like the first thing we talk about at 00:45:27.309 --> 00:45:30.130 a visit. Like, how is he pooping? Because it 00:45:30.130 --> 00:45:34.070 is just that important. It's hard to recover 00:45:34.070 --> 00:45:38.110 a child or make a lot of improvement if you're 00:45:38.110 --> 00:45:41.389 not working on the gut alongside other issues. 00:45:43.699 --> 00:45:47.099 It's so fascinating how that correlates there. 00:45:47.219 --> 00:45:49.800 And I think vitamin D is involved, if I had to 00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:55.440 guess. It's a factor. Yeah, because the vitamin 00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:58.900 D provides us a cage on our surface. That way 00:45:58.900 --> 00:46:01.159 all of our electrical processes on our insides 00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:04.119 can run optimally. And I think it's a big problem 00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:08.119 here. Yeah. It's like the energy is not being, 00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:11.420 I don't know, it's just not working because of 00:46:11.420 --> 00:46:15.059 the low vitamin D. Have you ever seen someone 00:46:15.059 --> 00:46:24.139 with autism with normal vitamin D? Um, yes. Um, 00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:27.019 I mean, have I ever? Yes. Yes. Um, it's not common. 00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:31.000 I mean, it's not common. I mean, almost all I 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:32.960 would almost all of our patients are on vitamin 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.760 D. I mean, I would say 90 % of them. I mean, 00:46:36.820 --> 00:46:39.460 it's, it's, it's highly correlated with low vitamin 00:46:39.460 --> 00:46:41.940 D. It's one of the supplements that I've given 00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:44.519 my kids and we've taken, I've taken and pretty 00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:46.900 much everybody is because it seems to be your 00:46:46.900 --> 00:46:50.059 diet. I mean, it is a, you know, are we not getting 00:46:50.059 --> 00:46:52.639 enough sunlight? Is it an inflammatory process? 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.960 Is there not enough hormones, cholesterol? I 00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:59.559 mean, is there, I don't know. You know, it seems 00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:02.380 to be that is not autism specific. I mean, I 00:47:02.380 --> 00:47:05.219 think that most people I find are vitamin D deficient 00:47:05.219 --> 00:47:09.610 even in a primary care setting. So do I see kids 00:47:09.610 --> 00:47:11.650 like when I say that they're normal, like we'll 00:47:11.650 --> 00:47:14.230 test them and their vitamin D might be 35, you 00:47:14.230 --> 00:47:16.849 know, or 40. Um, but we still put them on it 00:47:16.849 --> 00:47:18.650 because we want to get them in that optimal range. 00:47:18.809 --> 00:47:21.170 So, but I mean, I've seen kids with vitamin D 00:47:21.170 --> 00:47:23.309 of like two, I mean, I've seen it like, holy 00:47:23.309 --> 00:47:27.130 cow, like you have no vitamin D. Um, and so, 00:47:27.230 --> 00:47:29.210 you know, and it helps. I mean, there's studies 00:47:29.210 --> 00:47:31.070 that show that vitamin D just in and of itself 00:47:31.070 --> 00:47:33.789 as a supplement improves overall autistic symptoms. 00:47:33.829 --> 00:47:39.860 I mean, um, so. You know, yeah. Yeah, I don't 00:47:39.860 --> 00:47:42.019 know. I mean, I try and get my kids out. I try 00:47:42.019 --> 00:47:44.280 and get sunlight. I think I think I'm huge into 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:48.019 this. I can tell when my daughter's low. It's 00:47:48.019 --> 00:47:51.059 she has, you know, they have like this, this 00:47:51.369 --> 00:47:54.090 kind of a grayish tinge. It's like this kind 00:47:54.090 --> 00:47:56.989 of transparent kind of sallow and I'm like oh 00:47:56.989 --> 00:47:59.110 no we need vitamin D and sunlight and you know 00:47:59.110 --> 00:48:01.449 so I start I start getting on them you know and 00:48:01.449 --> 00:48:03.389 you can see it in other people it's kind of this 00:48:03.389 --> 00:48:05.989 this pale transparency of their skin and that's 00:48:05.989 --> 00:48:08.190 when I see that I'm like okay that's either zinc 00:48:08.190 --> 00:48:12.789 deficiency or vitamin D or probably both um but 00:48:12.789 --> 00:48:15.110 you know a lot of autism a lot of children with 00:48:15.110 --> 00:48:20.590 autism they're very very pale yes It's unbelievable. 00:48:20.590 --> 00:48:23.909 Once you see it, it's like every one of them. 00:48:24.250 --> 00:48:27.590 It's so powerful. But I want to ask you about 00:48:27.590 --> 00:48:32.690 the vitamin D supplementation. Yeah. What kind 00:48:32.690 --> 00:48:35.150 of doses are you doing? And are you using anything 00:48:35.150 --> 00:48:39.570 like K2 or magnesium alongside with it so it 00:48:39.570 --> 00:48:44.269 kind of synthesizes correctly? Yeah. How long 00:48:44.269 --> 00:48:49.579 does it take for you to see results? Yeah. depending, 00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:53.079 but I do like to recommend vitamin D3 with K2. 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:57.719 Usually in most people, most kids, I'll start 00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.320 at around 2000, I use a day of the vitamin D3. 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:07.860 Different brands, I think, have different potencies, 00:49:07.900 --> 00:49:12.099 and I like the ones that are fat soluble. So 00:49:12.099 --> 00:49:15.019 the ones that are actually, you know, either 00:49:15.019 --> 00:49:18.219 as a liquid dropper or in a fat capsule. like 00:49:18.219 --> 00:49:20.940 those gel caps, it seems to be better absorbed 00:49:20.940 --> 00:49:23.980 and it seems to raise the levels higher, so quicker. 00:49:24.980 --> 00:49:27.519 So if we're trying to get them higher, then I'll 00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:29.440 put, you know, and quickly I'll put them on a 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:33.480 liquid drop. And yeah, I mean, it can work fairly 00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:37.079 quickly within weeks if, you know, if you're 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:39.219 using the right product. I mean, if you're taking 00:49:39.219 --> 00:49:41.360 it for three to six months and it's not increasing, 00:49:41.619 --> 00:49:44.579 you're on the wrong product in my opinion. Is 00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:47.460 it a brand? Is it like the folinic acid where? 00:49:47.630 --> 00:49:50.750 Well, not necessarily folamic acid, but with 00:49:50.750 --> 00:49:54.110 the folate, where there's various options, is 00:49:54.110 --> 00:50:00.610 vitamin D the same? Mostly, I would attribute 00:50:00.610 --> 00:50:03.849 most of that to production quality. Actually, 00:50:08.550 --> 00:50:11.619 the standardization of supplements is... pretty 00:50:11.619 --> 00:50:14.380 much non -existent. So, you know, you don't really, 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:15.980 it's the Wild West. I tell everybody, like, you 00:50:15.980 --> 00:50:17.500 don't really know what you're getting. And so 00:50:17.500 --> 00:50:20.179 that's the scariest part, I think, about supplementation. 00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:24.159 So, you know, I try to use, like, I buy all my 00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:26.780 stuff on, you know, Fullscript and they have, 00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:28.800 like, they're supposed to have had, if you believe 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.619 them, third -party verification where they do 00:50:31.619 --> 00:50:33.980 verify their products or some of their products 00:50:33.980 --> 00:50:36.460 to have, to actually have what they say contains 00:50:36.460 --> 00:50:39.760 in it. because the FDA doesn't do that in the 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:42.619 United States. So I think that's mostly it. It's 00:50:42.619 --> 00:50:43.960 like, just because it says it's in there, it 00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:45.659 doesn't mean it's in there. I mean, you can look 00:50:45.659 --> 00:50:47.480 at some of these. Like I used to look, I think 00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:50.360 it's closed now. I looked recently, but there 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:54.519 was a website called Labdoor and they would review 00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:56.960 common supplements for actually what was in them. 00:50:57.139 --> 00:50:59.820 And I used to spend a lot of time on there just 00:50:59.820 --> 00:51:04.380 in a lot of things like those Centrum. you know, 00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:06.659 one a day. I mean, it has nothing in it. It's 00:51:06.659 --> 00:51:08.659 just like magnesium stearate. It's just, it's 00:51:08.659 --> 00:51:11.559 just filler. And you read the actual analysis 00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:13.300 from the labs. You're like, holy cow, they're 00:51:13.300 --> 00:51:15.980 just selling sugar pills and people buy them. 00:51:16.019 --> 00:51:19.260 And it's really sad. So, you know, so I think 00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:21.000 it's just the quality. So if they're taking something 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.900 and it's not working, let's switch the brand. 00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:25.500 And, you know, there are some good ones out there. 00:51:26.739 --> 00:51:28.860 And people should stay away from proprietary 00:51:28.860 --> 00:51:31.840 blends. Whenever there's like a couple of different 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:34.670 ingredients listed and it's like, five grams, 00:51:34.730 --> 00:51:37.510 but there's like six, eight ingredients. Listen, 00:51:37.650 --> 00:51:39.949 you don't have, you, you have no idea how much 00:51:39.949 --> 00:51:43.110 of each ingredient is making up that fiber. Correct. 00:51:43.309 --> 00:51:44.989 I don't buy anything with the proprietary blend. 00:51:45.050 --> 00:51:47.530 I don't know. I'm like, no, you either tell me 00:51:47.530 --> 00:51:51.130 what I'm taking or I'm not taking it. I want 00:51:51.130 --> 00:51:54.710 to know exactly what I'm taking. Thank you. Yeah. 00:51:54.909 --> 00:51:57.969 Just abbreviate the crucial things and you know, 00:51:58.110 --> 00:52:01.230 the filler, like you said. Right. Right. So you 00:52:01.230 --> 00:52:03.170 got to be careful. You do have to be careful. 00:52:04.150 --> 00:52:06.469 But I did actually, and I started, I did want 00:52:06.469 --> 00:52:10.159 to bring up something that has been on the dysbiosis 00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:13.059 and the gut topic that's been going around a 00:52:13.059 --> 00:52:16.440 lot online. And I just wanted to talk about as, 00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:18.579 you know, the fungal overgrowth is a big deal. 00:52:18.980 --> 00:52:21.679 And a lot of people are sharing these studies 00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:24.599 of itchoconazole, like curing a kid with autism. 00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:28.800 And everybody was commenting, this was a few 00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.340 weeks ago, was commenting on it, sharing it. 00:52:30.340 --> 00:52:31.980 And I was trying to kind of jump in there and 00:52:31.980 --> 00:52:35.599 contribute. And I do see, and so let me start. 00:52:36.450 --> 00:52:39.309 Normally I test for most of my fungal markers 00:52:39.309 --> 00:52:41.489 with an oat test, like we talked about earlier. 00:52:42.510 --> 00:52:47.630 If I see more than like one marker, so Arabinose 00:52:47.630 --> 00:52:49.750 is typically, there's a marker on there called 00:52:49.750 --> 00:52:52.449 Arabinose, it's typically associated with Candida. 00:52:53.750 --> 00:52:57.010 Or just regular yeast. But a lot of the other 00:52:57.010 --> 00:53:00.429 ones on there are like mold byproducts. They're, 00:53:00.429 --> 00:53:03.590 you know, they're like Aspergillus or, you know, 00:53:03.710 --> 00:53:06.570 Fusarium. different kinds of mold byproducts. 00:53:06.750 --> 00:53:08.610 So you want to treat those when you see them. 00:53:08.750 --> 00:53:11.570 And so I do, I do treat that and, and there are 00:53:11.570 --> 00:53:13.510 different, and it is, I think, important. And 00:53:13.510 --> 00:53:17.909 with my own kids, I saw, um, like I, I think 00:53:17.909 --> 00:53:20.030 I told you last time, I think part of their regression 00:53:20.030 --> 00:53:23.809 was, it was multifactorial, but there was definitely 00:53:23.809 --> 00:53:25.909 mold in our house because we were remediating 00:53:25.909 --> 00:53:27.969 it inappropriately. We had a leak and blah, blah, 00:53:28.010 --> 00:53:31.019 blah. And so, and I think they got really toxic 00:53:31.019 --> 00:53:33.940 from fungus. And so I had to do, you know, clean 00:53:33.940 --> 00:53:35.940 out, but we ended up back then, I didn't know 00:53:35.940 --> 00:53:37.900 what to do. I was pouring over trials. We ended 00:53:37.900 --> 00:53:39.760 up doing grapefruit seed extract because I was 00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:41.920 like, I can't, I didn't have a, you know, I wasn't 00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:44.619 doing this yet. I wasn't in the functional medicine 00:53:44.619 --> 00:53:47.719 space. Um, and it really helped. Like it actually 00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:49.239 helped. And I don't think it's the cure all for 00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:51.900 everybody, but I know when I treated the yeast 00:53:51.900 --> 00:53:55.139 at my kids at that age, treating the fungus, 00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:58.230 um, They calmed way down. The behaviors went 00:53:58.230 --> 00:54:01.469 way down. Just the repetitive, you know, stimming 00:54:01.469 --> 00:54:04.070 and the self -adjurious stuff. I mean, and we 00:54:04.070 --> 00:54:07.150 ended up, we didn't end up going on intraconazole, 00:54:07.250 --> 00:54:12.789 but we ended up on nystatin, which is an antifungal 00:54:12.789 --> 00:54:16.110 that really just stays in the gut. And it's better 00:54:16.110 --> 00:54:18.889 for yeast than it is. It's not as broad spectrum 00:54:18.889 --> 00:54:22.989 as some of the other antifungals like intraconazole, 00:54:23.210 --> 00:54:26.369 but We were on it for like two years, and I couldn't 00:54:26.369 --> 00:54:29.070 get my kids off. I'd stop the Nystatin, and then 00:54:29.070 --> 00:54:30.409 the behaviors would come back. And then they'd 00:54:30.409 --> 00:54:32.210 start spinning in circles and running around 00:54:32.210 --> 00:54:33.650 the house, you know, screaming. And then I'd 00:54:33.650 --> 00:54:35.369 go back on the Nystatin, and then they'd just 00:54:35.369 --> 00:54:37.230 sit there and happy, you know, like, just calm. 00:54:37.909 --> 00:54:41.429 So, I mean, we were on it forever. And so it 00:54:41.429 --> 00:54:44.050 happened. And I have patients like that. So I 00:54:44.050 --> 00:54:46.929 do, I want to encourage parents like, I think... 00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:50.099 Don't think that that study is rare. I think 00:54:50.099 --> 00:54:52.400 that a lot of kids do have fungal overgrowth 00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.699 specifically I think mycotoxins are a big deal 00:54:55.699 --> 00:54:59.559 And I we anybody that's really treating autism 00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:02.760 in a functional medicine space You know needs 00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:05.719 to needs to look at fungus and like how to get 00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:07.940 rid of it, you know And and it's not always killing 00:55:07.940 --> 00:55:10.800 it. It's it's not always like oh you need this 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:15.460 high high dose antifungal forever A lot of it's, 00:55:15.460 --> 00:55:17.219 you know, kind of detoxing, you know, moving 00:55:17.219 --> 00:55:20.099 out of the mold, remediating your house, you 00:55:20.099 --> 00:55:22.900 know, eating, going on a low mycotoxin diet, 00:55:22.900 --> 00:55:25.559 you know, like not eating moldy foods like bread 00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:29.619 and juice and things. I usually put kids on a 00:55:29.619 --> 00:55:32.659 short course of binders. I'm a big fan of binders, 00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:36.119 like not forever, but a lot of them, they can't 00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.659 always process these mycotoxins. And so they'll 00:55:38.659 --> 00:55:40.639 just keep recycling them in their body. And then 00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:43.500 their toxic burden just gets to a threshold that 00:55:44.019 --> 00:55:46.219 They start regressing and breaking down. I mean, 00:55:46.219 --> 00:55:48.739 I think that's what kind of happened in my household 00:55:48.739 --> 00:55:52.579 Binders can help be helpful to get rid of some 00:55:52.579 --> 00:55:57.539 of the toxins. What are those? What binders? 00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:05.079 Oh, it's a good question. Um, so basically So 00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:11.630 they're Insoluble basically the products that 00:56:11.630 --> 00:56:14.989 don't get absorbed into the bloodstream. So the 00:56:14.989 --> 00:56:17.610 most classic example would be activated charcoal. 00:56:18.389 --> 00:56:22.730 So charcoal would be a binder, right? So if you, 00:56:22.849 --> 00:56:25.349 in Western medicine, like if you overdose on 00:56:25.349 --> 00:56:27.789 certain poisons, right, they'll give you activated 00:56:27.789 --> 00:56:29.710 charcoal, even in the ER. Like if you can't, 00:56:29.710 --> 00:56:32.070 if you're past the vomiting stage, like sometimes 00:56:32.070 --> 00:56:33.449 they'll try to like induce you to vomit, but 00:56:33.449 --> 00:56:35.070 if it's been too long since the ingestion, they'll 00:56:35.070 --> 00:56:38.389 actually give you activated charcoal. Say you 00:56:38.389 --> 00:56:41.010 drink like I I'm not I'm not good at my ER medicine 00:56:41.010 --> 00:56:42.590 anymore But I know that there are certain toxins 00:56:42.590 --> 00:56:45.469 that have an affinity for charcoal So they'll 00:56:45.469 --> 00:56:47.230 basically we've been doing this in Western medicine 00:56:47.230 --> 00:56:49.949 for a while And so they'll bind it and then you'll 00:56:49.949 --> 00:56:51.690 just poop it out You can't you don't absorb it 00:56:51.690 --> 00:56:53.710 in your GI tract and then it comes out in your 00:56:53.710 --> 00:56:57.050 stool and so you can rid your body of GI toxins 00:56:57.050 --> 00:57:00.489 And so this is really really helpful for kids 00:57:00.489 --> 00:57:04.429 with really different kinds of toxicities It's 00:57:04.429 --> 00:57:09.090 good for mycotoxins It's good for even metals. 00:57:09.530 --> 00:57:11.449 I mean, this is why everybody online is talking 00:57:11.449 --> 00:57:14.150 about zeolite Well zeolite the binder and it's 00:57:14.150 --> 00:57:17.230 a it's a pretty potent binder especially I mean 00:57:17.230 --> 00:57:20.110 if you get the right brand and especially for 00:57:20.110 --> 00:57:22.349 Metals, you know, but it can actually zeolite 00:57:22.349 --> 00:57:27.590 binds a lot of mycotoxins as well. So I I do 00:57:27.590 --> 00:57:29.869 like to do a trial and some parents say that 00:57:29.869 --> 00:57:32.199 it was better. I mean I have parents you know, 00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:34.260 that say, hey, when he's on this binder, like 00:57:34.260 --> 00:57:37.360 he's got better eye contact, he's more focused, 00:57:37.500 --> 00:57:41.159 he's calmer, you know. And so, like I said, that's 00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:42.960 kind of part of the treatment protocol if you're 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:47.699 dealing with a dysbiosis, in my opinion. But 00:57:47.699 --> 00:57:52.159 you definitely don't want to ever give it without 00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.389 starting to move the bells first. So. you know, 00:57:55.389 --> 00:57:57.889 like basically if the child is constipated don't 00:57:57.889 --> 00:58:00.210 give a binder because it makes constipation worse 00:58:00.210 --> 00:58:03.130 and then it'll just sit there this big ball of 00:58:03.130 --> 00:58:07.250 Whatever you're giving zeolite charcoal Bentonite 00:58:07.250 --> 00:58:09.329 clay, you know, there's different ones. You don't 00:58:09.329 --> 00:58:12.809 want to do it Until they're having daily bowel 00:58:12.809 --> 00:58:15.449 movements So that's my big warning to parents 00:58:15.449 --> 00:58:17.710 and I'll make sure if you're gonna give your 00:58:17.710 --> 00:58:20.250 kids any kind of binders Have daily bowel movements 00:58:20.250 --> 00:58:22.889 first That makes sense. Because it's popular 00:58:22.889 --> 00:58:24.690 online. Everybody's buying them. Everybody's 00:58:24.690 --> 00:58:27.969 trying them. And I'm all for power to parents 00:58:27.969 --> 00:58:30.869 and self -advocacy for your kids. But yeah, you 00:58:30.869 --> 00:58:32.329 got to make sure that you're not making them 00:58:32.329 --> 00:58:34.789 sicker because they haven't pooped in like, I've 00:58:34.789 --> 00:58:35.989 had parents that are like, oh yeah, he hasn't 00:58:35.989 --> 00:58:37.630 pooped in five days and we're giving zeolite. 00:58:37.690 --> 00:58:41.650 And I'm like, no, you can't do that. Stop. So 00:58:41.650 --> 00:58:44.809 usually we recommend some kind of magnesium and 00:58:44.809 --> 00:58:46.949 high dose at night to get the bowel movement. 00:58:47.150 --> 00:58:50.880 That works the best. There's magnesium citrate, 00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:55.059 there's magnesium oxide ozonated in the form 00:58:55.059 --> 00:58:57.699 of like, it's called oxy powder. That's my favorite. 00:58:58.780 --> 00:59:04.400 But you can do high dose vitamin C. I have, you 00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:06.460 know, there's obviously the senicots and things 00:59:06.460 --> 00:59:09.739 like that that are stimulant laxatives. But yeah, 00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:12.280 get the bowels moving first before you do binders. 00:59:12.820 --> 00:59:15.539 So I'll say it three times because I've just 00:59:15.539 --> 00:59:17.019 heard, you know, I've heard a lot of parents 00:59:17.019 --> 00:59:19.460 with issues. And again, it's like, it's not the 00:59:19.460 --> 00:59:21.739 binder's fault. It's not that it's the wrong 00:59:21.739 --> 00:59:23.719 treatment. It's just without the knowledge of 00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:27.940 knowing how to implement it. It's valuable. And 00:59:27.940 --> 00:59:31.880 good for whoever named the binders binders because 00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:35.559 it's just binding. Right. Names can be complicated. 00:59:36.219 --> 00:59:39.079 Well, I think it's a colloquial term. I mean, 00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:41.179 I don't think it's actually like an official 00:59:41.179 --> 00:59:43.300 term. I don't even know. But it's just everybody 00:59:43.300 --> 00:59:45.619 uses it. So we all just kind of use it. And I 00:59:45.619 --> 00:59:48.650 have a couple that are my favorite. you know, 00:59:48.849 --> 00:59:50.650 some are more gentle than others, like charcoal 00:59:50.650 --> 00:59:53.210 is pretty harsh. Charcoal is very, like, it's 00:59:53.210 --> 00:59:56.730 very nauseating, and it can be more constipating 00:59:56.730 --> 01:00:03.510 than other ones, so. But, you know. Yeah. So 01:00:03.510 --> 01:00:06.610 anyway, so yeah, so treating the mold, binding, 01:00:07.030 --> 01:00:08.630 eliminating, getting the bowels moved, moving 01:00:08.630 --> 01:00:11.400 out of it. maybe you need some antifungals, talk 01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:13.079 to your doctor about it, you know, find a good 01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:15.099 doctor, because you don't want to be trying to 01:00:15.099 --> 01:00:18.460 find itchoconazole online. You know, some of 01:00:18.460 --> 01:00:20.000 these studies come out, and I always just worry 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:21.179 that parents are like, oh, I'm going to buy it 01:00:21.179 --> 01:00:23.380 from India and then try it. I mean, the stuff 01:00:23.380 --> 01:00:26.360 that the study was very, the itchoconazole was 01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:29.860 very hard on the liver. And it can actually increase 01:00:29.860 --> 01:00:32.820 estrogen and over long term use. I mean, short 01:00:32.820 --> 01:00:35.260 term, it's fine. But, you know, just I love I 01:00:35.260 --> 01:00:37.659 love going on this podcast to kind of like clear 01:00:37.659 --> 01:00:40.750 up. You know, like don't do this, you know, because 01:00:40.750 --> 01:00:42.909 just just talk cautionary tales, you know, because 01:00:42.909 --> 01:00:44.670 like you said, how do you know if you don't know? 01:00:44.789 --> 01:00:47.050 I mean, I only know because I got into this for 01:00:47.050 --> 01:00:50.869 my kids. So ten years ago. It's very valuable. 01:00:51.150 --> 01:00:54.110 Your information is very valuable. Oh, thanks, 01:00:54.170 --> 01:00:57.530 Ryan. I always enjoy talking to you. Thanks. 01:00:58.269 --> 01:01:00.590 Is there anything else related to the GI that 01:01:00.590 --> 01:01:04.030 we haven't covered that you might think could 01:01:04.030 --> 01:01:08.590 be informative? No, I mean, Well, we talked about 01:01:08.590 --> 01:01:11.230 the fungal markers, getting a note, treating 01:01:11.230 --> 01:01:14.710 those, getting a stool test, treating their bacteria 01:01:14.710 --> 01:01:20.250 there. Clostridia can, the C. diff and other 01:01:20.250 --> 01:01:24.690 clostridia strains can be associated with a lot 01:01:24.690 --> 01:01:27.630 of aggression. So my last like kind of statement 01:01:27.630 --> 01:01:30.969 would be if you see a kid that's just really 01:01:30.969 --> 01:01:33.469 aggressive, like hitting people, biting people, 01:01:33.630 --> 01:01:35.849 and especially if it seemed to happen overnight 01:01:35.849 --> 01:01:39.969 or it's just... There's triggers. Look at Clostridia. 01:01:40.050 --> 01:01:43.289 We do see that it seems to make kids very angry 01:01:43.289 --> 01:01:46.130 and very depressed, either angry or depressed. 01:01:46.429 --> 01:01:50.309 But that particular bug seems to cause mood issues. 01:01:50.730 --> 01:01:54.289 And so I think of some parents, I just don't 01:01:54.289 --> 01:01:55.670 want you to think, well, this is my child. He 01:01:55.670 --> 01:01:58.309 just... bites people and in reality there's you 01:01:58.309 --> 01:02:00.010 know there's a there's a bad bug in their gut 01:02:00.010 --> 01:02:03.210 so that you really got to look at so there there 01:02:03.210 --> 01:02:05.989 are several different types of dysbiosis and 01:02:05.989 --> 01:02:09.050 again I we will treat them and usually for the 01:02:09.050 --> 01:02:12.730 C. diff we do use antibiotics because you really 01:02:12.730 --> 01:02:16.070 got to get rid of them it's a spore forming bacteria 01:02:16.070 --> 01:02:20.429 so that means that you know when you kill the 01:02:20.429 --> 01:02:25.289 kind of adult form of it It'll form a little 01:02:25.289 --> 01:02:27.530 sport and just hang out there. It'll go inactive, 01:02:27.769 --> 01:02:30.289 but it'll just wait. It'll just sit there and 01:02:30.289 --> 01:02:33.550 then basically wait for it to bloom again. So 01:02:33.550 --> 01:02:37.429 it forms these little... Yeah, it just kind of 01:02:37.429 --> 01:02:38.730 seeds itself in there and it doesn't want to 01:02:38.730 --> 01:02:40.690 go away. So you have to treat it usually for 01:02:40.690 --> 01:02:42.650 several weeks. Sometimes you have to do several 01:02:42.650 --> 01:02:45.550 rounds. Give it with an anti -biofilm agent. 01:02:45.670 --> 01:02:47.090 I mean, there's ways to treat it, but it is a 01:02:47.090 --> 01:02:51.489 difficult to treat bug. But treating it... you 01:02:51.489 --> 01:02:54.489 know, my son had it for a while at four and we 01:02:54.489 --> 01:02:57.150 were going through cycles and yeah, he was just 01:02:57.150 --> 01:03:00.670 really Grumpy like really grumpy and now he's 01:03:00.670 --> 01:03:02.929 just happy as a clam So I mean we finally got 01:03:02.929 --> 01:03:06.050 his gut on better track and I really pushed the 01:03:06.050 --> 01:03:08.610 second thing about the the the gut stuff I'd 01:03:08.610 --> 01:03:12.030 like to say is just that in general I try and 01:03:12.030 --> 01:03:14.550 push a lot of good bacteria and there's some 01:03:14.550 --> 01:03:16.670 you know, some practitioners say well, this is 01:03:16.670 --> 01:03:19.559 gonna increase serotonin, or this is going to 01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:23.059 cause a dysbiosis in and of itself. And that's 01:03:23.059 --> 01:03:25.059 valid. I mean, I think there's room for discussion. 01:03:25.820 --> 01:03:29.079 But I got tired of treating with my kids with 01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:30.800 antibiotics. Like, we were doing these cycles 01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:32.539 of, like, I'd treat them with antibiotics, and 01:03:32.539 --> 01:03:34.559 then they'd have opportunistic infections, and 01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:36.659 then they'd get fungus -y, and oh my god, it 01:03:36.659 --> 01:03:40.219 was just this cycle. So I started just... drowning 01:03:40.219 --> 01:03:42.440 them in probiotics basically and I'd rotate them 01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:46.079 and give them different ones and we do some kombucha's 01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:49.199 and I do some like this bio -K that's an active 01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:52.679 probiotic like gut shot. We do capsules, different 01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:55.860 strains. I've tried all different strains and 01:03:55.860 --> 01:03:59.260 you know I find that actually helps them more 01:03:59.260 --> 01:04:02.539 long term. Like now we don't need as much antibiotics 01:04:02.539 --> 01:04:06.260 like so I try and push good bacteria versus killing 01:04:06.260 --> 01:04:10.480 when I can for the long term. Okay, so in general 01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:14.480 that's that's all okay. I always heard that Anytime 01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.800 you're doing antibiotics, you should do a probiotic 01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:19.119 as well I don't know if there's any truth to 01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:21.619 that but the source of it is this very he's very 01:04:21.619 --> 01:04:25.199 good. So yeah kind of Believe you. Yeah. No. 01:04:25.300 --> 01:04:27.500 Yeah. I that's in general a good a good rule 01:04:27.500 --> 01:04:32.400 of thumb Okay Because again the gut knows what 01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:35.880 to do. I mean it we had we've had If you have 01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:37.579 enough good bacteria, they actually produce, 01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:39.420 it's really fascinating science. They produce 01:04:39.420 --> 01:04:42.980 a ton of antimicrobial compounds that kill other 01:04:42.980 --> 01:04:45.659 bad bacteria and they reduce inflammation and 01:04:45.659 --> 01:04:48.940 they increase motility, they increase butyrate 01:04:48.940 --> 01:04:51.019 that fuels the gut. So if you have enough good 01:04:51.019 --> 01:04:53.739 bacteria, it will crowd out the bad. It really 01:04:53.739 --> 01:04:56.360 will fight the bad for you. So these kids, a 01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:57.800 lot of times they just don't have enough good. 01:04:57.820 --> 01:04:59.380 And I see it all the time when we test them. 01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:01.239 They're missing lactobacillus, they're listening. 01:05:01.449 --> 01:05:05.630 missing bifido, they're missing key E. coli strains 01:05:05.630 --> 01:05:07.849 that are normally found in the gut, and then 01:05:07.849 --> 01:05:11.989 they get these dysbiosis. So, you know, that 01:05:11.989 --> 01:05:15.190 instead of treating the gut bugs when we increase 01:05:15.190 --> 01:05:17.110 the, you know, treating the bad bugs, we give 01:05:17.110 --> 01:05:20.630 good bugs is always the goal if we can. Yeah, 01:05:20.670 --> 01:05:24.969 yeah, okay. It's incredible information. Yeah. 01:05:25.610 --> 01:05:29.969 Very, a lot of good takeaways so far. Do you 01:05:29.969 --> 01:05:33.230 want to pivot over to the telepathy tapes? Oh, 01:05:33.309 --> 01:05:35.710 I you know, I I don't know really what I want 01:05:35.710 --> 01:05:37.909 to say about it I just I just wanted to talk 01:05:37.909 --> 01:05:39.650 to you about it because I just think it's fascinating 01:05:39.650 --> 01:05:43.190 and like It sparks my interest so much and I 01:05:43.190 --> 01:05:45.969 don't know even how to how to wrap my mind around 01:05:45.969 --> 01:05:47.989 it Like I want to get into research regarding 01:05:47.989 --> 01:05:50.250 it. I like I want I wish and I'm putting it out 01:05:50.250 --> 01:05:53.889 there in the universe Because I'd love to I love 01:05:53.889 --> 01:05:56.309 working with the autism population and I really 01:05:56.309 --> 01:06:00.590 would love to try and You know understand, you 01:06:00.590 --> 01:06:01.909 know, like I said, I've come up with all these 01:06:01.909 --> 01:06:05.690 wacky theories like we we know that kids Studies 01:06:05.690 --> 01:06:08.730 have shown that in a lot of meta analysis of 01:06:08.730 --> 01:06:13.110 these huge, you know populations copper Dominance 01:06:13.110 --> 01:06:16.710 is huge in the autism spectrum population. So 01:06:16.710 --> 01:06:19.429 a lot of these kids have copper excess like probably 01:06:19.429 --> 01:06:23.139 most it's one of the number one metabolic Markers 01:06:23.139 --> 01:06:25.960 associated with autism. So I mean maybe I'm thinking 01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:28.000 okay copper. What do we do about copper? I mean, 01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:29.860 we know a lot of things about the metabolism 01:06:29.860 --> 01:06:32.739 But like what if they're little conductors what 01:06:32.739 --> 01:06:35.619 if they're somehow generating, you know, I don't 01:06:35.619 --> 01:06:37.679 know I mean, you know drawing electricity drawing 01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:40.440 some kind of magnetism. I don't understand it 01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:43.500 I know copper's not magnets per se but you know 01:06:43.500 --> 01:06:45.659 Maybe the metallopathies that we see in autism 01:06:45.659 --> 01:06:50.059 contribute to these skills that they have Again, 01:06:50.300 --> 01:06:52.219 I start going down rabbit holes. We know that 01:06:52.219 --> 01:06:56.679 a lot of them have a lot of fungal overgrowth 01:06:56.679 --> 01:06:59.199 in their gut and sometimes in their sinuses and 01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:02.320 things. Maybe it's more like the psilocybin deal. 01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:05.860 Maybe they're connected to some mycelium network 01:07:05.860 --> 01:07:07.719 because they have a lot of fungus grown in their 01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:10.300 gut. Maybe they're getting knowledge that way. 01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:13.360 These are the things I contemplate at night. 01:07:13.940 --> 01:07:16.059 When we talked about maybe it's just because 01:07:16.059 --> 01:07:19.429 certain parts of their brain are Extra active 01:07:19.429 --> 01:07:22.469 more than the normal brain, you know, like we 01:07:22.469 --> 01:07:25.210 um, I think we mentioned last time that dr Amen, 01:07:25.210 --> 01:07:27.949 you know with his spec scans that he looks at 01:07:27.949 --> 01:07:30.710 the brain calls autism the brain on fire in the 01:07:30.710 --> 01:07:33.670 sense that it's It's just hyperactive more than 01:07:33.670 --> 01:07:36.449 any other brain scans that in a population he 01:07:36.449 --> 01:07:38.670 finds so maybe it's just the activation of the 01:07:38.670 --> 01:07:42.650 brain In a in a I don't know. I don't know. I 01:07:42.650 --> 01:07:44.190 mean, what are your thoughts on it? I'd love 01:07:44.190 --> 01:07:49.030 to hear what you think The first time I really 01:07:49.030 --> 01:07:53.289 got into telepathy was from a Rick Rubin podcast. 01:07:53.610 --> 01:07:58.909 And he was a very valuable neurosurgeon and a 01:07:58.909 --> 01:08:02.469 neurobiologist from Stanford on it. And they've 01:08:02.469 --> 01:08:04.510 talked about this. And this is where I found 01:08:04.510 --> 01:08:06.989 out that, well, telepathy has been published 01:08:06.989 --> 01:08:11.570 in well -respected journals. It's not like it's 01:08:11.570 --> 01:08:14.010 something new. And this was before the telepathy 01:08:14.010 --> 01:08:16.649 tapes came out. They were talking about water. 01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:20.899 and quantum coherence, and how water can signal 01:08:20.899 --> 01:08:25.699 and communicate distal without axonal connections. 01:08:26.939 --> 01:08:30.460 It's the water that's doing this. And a neurosurgeon 01:08:30.460 --> 01:08:32.920 mentioned that there's a guy named Del Gouche, 01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:38.359 or something like that, Del Gouche. And he took 01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:41.239 vibrations of water, and he could replicate the 01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:47.119 DNA exactly from across... from US to Europe. 01:08:47.619 --> 01:08:51.800 So I'm thinking like with autism, because there 01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:56.720 is this dysfunction and it's the process of like 01:08:56.720 --> 01:09:00.380 the sensory and the movement of electricity is 01:09:00.380 --> 01:09:04.979 off. It's so wound up because of the bad connections. 01:09:05.899 --> 01:09:15.460 I'm wondering if it's just the the sensory processing 01:09:15.460 --> 01:09:18.920 and just being aware of the environment is so 01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:23.260 accelerated here because of there's no proper 01:09:23.260 --> 01:09:26.579 distal connections being how we would sensory 01:09:26.579 --> 01:09:30.319 process, or sensory perception processing, how 01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:32.819 it's just one connection to the other. If they 01:09:32.819 --> 01:09:35.520 can just do this because of what you were mentioning 01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:38.560 about how it's just that brain on fire, essentially, 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:43.039 and then the water vibrations happening. or like 01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:48.779 local areas that aren't allowed to connect properly. 01:09:49.100 --> 01:09:54.920 I don't know if there's too much going on or 01:09:54.920 --> 01:10:00.079 if it's just the same amount. Let's just say 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:03.840 as a whole, you're processing this energy. If 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:09.800 the autistic person with telepathy is just bound 01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:17.260 at one local area, and that allows this recruiting 01:10:17.260 --> 01:10:20.460 of different connections and with the environment, 01:10:20.739 --> 01:10:25.520 instead of that overall whole electrical capacitor 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:30.000 here being just moved normally through axons. 01:10:30.579 --> 01:10:33.579 I don't know, but that's what I think about whenever 01:10:33.579 --> 01:10:36.399 I think about telepathy. Yeah, I mean water is 01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:38.539 that that's an interesting theory just I I mean 01:10:38.539 --> 01:10:40.380 we hear a lot of people that talk about oh I 01:10:40.380 --> 01:10:44.100 got this idea in the shower or I you know, I 01:10:44.100 --> 01:10:47.100 you know, I You know that the normal people kind 01:10:47.100 --> 01:10:50.840 of get more Intuition from being in water. I 01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:56.079 don't know. I don't know. I mean Yeah Definitely 01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:58.180 it could be the hyper focus in the brain. Like 01:10:58.180 --> 01:11:02.960 you said, you know when when when Mean we we've 01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:05.859 known when people lose other senses, right? Like 01:11:05.859 --> 01:11:08.340 if you're if you're blind and you have kind of 01:11:08.340 --> 01:11:12.000 this hyper Sensor hearing, you know, I mean, 01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:13.720 you know bats for example, obviously it's not 01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:16.119 humans But they have echolocation and they may 01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:18.800 have different organ receptors I'm not sure but 01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:21.100 but nevertheless even in humans. We know that 01:11:21.100 --> 01:11:23.779 people that lose senses will have extra sensitive 01:11:23.779 --> 01:11:26.340 other senses So, you know, maybe it is the lack 01:11:26.340 --> 01:11:30.460 of speech that allows their mind to calm you 01:11:30.460 --> 01:11:33.140 know in a sense that they're, they're, they're 01:11:33.140 --> 01:11:34.619 focused on certain areas of their brain that 01:11:34.619 --> 01:11:36.199 the rest of us are just kind of running around 01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:38.619 in our frontal lobe, pay the bills, okay, make 01:11:38.619 --> 01:11:41.840 lunch, you know, and they're just like, not using 01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:44.720 that part and they're focused on, you know, this 01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:47.520 extra part. Yeah, there's some areas known with 01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:53.239 autism, post -mortem studies and whatever that 01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:58.239 the, that the, that the areas related for or 01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:02.420 that sensory integration is there. abnormal. 01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:06.039 Yes. These areas, you know, that takes multiple 01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:08.880 senses, you know, and makes sense of them and 01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:11.760 goes off and recruits other distal connections 01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:15.720 through the brain. These areas are bad in autism. 01:12:16.939 --> 01:12:20.539 Yeah. Yeah. Well, I would love to get involved. 01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:22.399 If you ever hear anything, Ryan, any kind of 01:12:22.399 --> 01:12:24.100 studies or anybody working on it or anything 01:12:24.100 --> 01:12:27.140 like just let me know because I'd love to somehow 01:12:27.140 --> 01:12:30.710 jump in and get involved. Would like to see video 01:12:30.710 --> 01:12:33.649 footage of it so I can really see You know, it's 01:12:33.649 --> 01:12:35.729 hard for me to listen to the telepathy tapes 01:12:35.729 --> 01:12:38.750 because I can't see it so I guess you could go 01:12:38.750 --> 01:12:42.829 on the website or the I guess I guess I guess 01:12:42.829 --> 01:12:44.770 they do have it for viewing. I think if to pay 01:12:44.770 --> 01:12:50.710 for it Yeah, yeah, there's like I know that she 01:12:50.710 --> 01:12:53.050 mentions it sometime so I'd have to do a Google 01:12:53.050 --> 01:12:54.989 search But there are videos like associated with 01:12:54.989 --> 01:12:58.670 the testing But I went I went looked on the website 01:12:58.670 --> 01:13:00.270 and I think you had to pay for it and that's 01:13:00.270 --> 01:13:05.250 unfortunately where I stopped so but But yeah, 01:13:05.369 --> 01:13:08.510 anyway, that's just that's my two cents and that's 01:13:08.510 --> 01:13:13.989 did I did I cover any of your questions? Yeah, 01:13:13.989 --> 01:13:16.970 I think so that it was a very fantastic exploration 01:13:16.970 --> 01:13:21.390 through the GI Yeah, I mean there's a lot to 01:13:21.390 --> 01:13:23.130 talk about. I mean, there's you know, these are 01:13:23.130 --> 01:13:26.250 just kind of baselines, but definitely I appreciate 01:13:26.250 --> 01:13:29.170 you having me on I really love educating just 01:13:29.170 --> 01:13:33.029 people and Yeah, I really want everyone to know 01:13:33.029 --> 01:13:34.710 I want everyone to know what I know I wish I 01:13:34.710 --> 01:13:36.329 could just like transplant my knowledge just 01:13:36.329 --> 01:13:39.069 because you know, it's like it things because 01:13:39.069 --> 01:13:41.710 it took me ten years to get here and I wish I 01:13:41.710 --> 01:13:44.329 could just download it because Yeah, so I'm happy 01:13:44.329 --> 01:13:45.789 to share it because you know, there's so many 01:13:45.789 --> 01:13:48.590 things that it there are you know, some aha moments 01:13:48.590 --> 01:13:51.460 I know I say it on every podcast yours, but there 01:13:51.460 --> 01:13:53.140 is a lot of hope and there are things you can 01:13:53.140 --> 01:13:55.800 do and so I always try and translate you know 01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:59.020 that that message um yeah just try it do something 01:13:59.020 --> 01:14:01.600 find somebody if you're feeling inspired if you 01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.520 have a gut feeling like I don't know I think 01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:05.520 it's I had a parent that came to me he's like 01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:07.800 I think it's metals I think my son's lead toxic 01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:09.460 and I'm like why do you think that and he's like 01:14:09.460 --> 01:14:12.840 I don't know and so we we did a test we did a 01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:14.880 chelation challenge test because he was and he 01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:17.500 was right the kid's lead was like 54 times the 01:14:17.500 --> 01:14:19.609 upper limit Like, wow, your kid is actually full 01:14:19.609 --> 01:14:22.170 -led. So if you have this intuition about your 01:14:22.170 --> 01:14:24.710 child, like, I think it's this. It's certainly 01:14:24.710 --> 01:14:27.890 worth investigating. I always, I mean, I humor 01:14:27.890 --> 01:14:29.829 everybody. Like, yeah, I assume everything that 01:14:29.829 --> 01:14:31.430 everybody tells me is true. And then I kind of 01:14:31.430 --> 01:14:33.329 work backwards. And then I'm like, well, it doesn't 01:14:33.329 --> 01:14:35.789 look like this at all. It's actually this. But 01:14:35.789 --> 01:14:37.550 we always investigate it. So follow your gut. 01:14:37.869 --> 01:14:40.930 I've done that several times with my kids. And 01:14:40.930 --> 01:14:44.050 half the time, it's right. No, it's not always 01:14:44.050 --> 01:14:48.829 right. But my parents are always right. um without 01:14:48.829 --> 01:14:51.170 any bias there it allows you to kind of zoom 01:14:51.170 --> 01:14:53.890 out and take a look at the full picture i think 01:14:53.890 --> 01:14:55.770 whenever you know you're listening to these other 01:14:55.770 --> 01:14:58.770 people sometimes that's people have a hard time 01:14:58.770 --> 01:15:01.229 doing that especially if you're like a specialist 01:15:01.229 --> 01:15:06.130 yeah it you know i i just trust i just trust 01:15:06.130 --> 01:15:10.270 parents intuition and it you know, I think that 01:15:10.270 --> 01:15:12.250 they, I mean, parents are deeply connected to 01:15:12.250 --> 01:15:14.029 their kids. Like don't let telepathy tapes, like 01:15:14.029 --> 01:15:16.229 there's this deep connection. And a lot of people 01:15:16.229 --> 01:15:18.050 have, you just kind of like most moms know like 01:15:18.050 --> 01:15:19.670 something's wrong. You know, I mean, when you're 01:15:19.670 --> 01:15:22.329 connected to your child and, and you know, and 01:15:22.329 --> 01:15:24.329 then I am the objective party that says, okay, 01:15:24.470 --> 01:15:26.130 let's assume that's true. Let's look for it. 01:15:26.130 --> 01:15:27.869 Let's test for it, you know, because I don't 01:15:27.869 --> 01:15:30.189 ever, you know, you want to have objective data 01:15:30.189 --> 01:15:32.029 too. And so that's good. It validates what they 01:15:32.029 --> 01:15:34.270 know. And then we're moving forward with a good 01:15:34.270 --> 01:15:37.569 solid plan. Cause yeah, if I had attested this 01:15:37.569 --> 01:15:41.090 kid and we We did a chelation and there was nothing. 01:15:41.189 --> 01:15:42.930 I'd be like, well, shoot, I don't think, you 01:15:42.930 --> 01:15:45.470 know, you may be off, you know, and I, and I 01:15:45.470 --> 01:15:47.069 wouldn't proceed. I would say, you know, I don't 01:15:47.069 --> 01:15:48.550 think we should be doing this anymore. It doesn't 01:15:48.550 --> 01:15:52.670 seem appropriate necessarily. And you can argue 01:15:52.670 --> 01:15:54.689 that maybe we were using the wrong substances. 01:15:54.869 --> 01:15:56.569 You know, I have some parents with, oh, no, well, 01:15:56.569 --> 01:15:58.569 it's still in there. And that might be true too. 01:15:58.850 --> 01:16:00.949 We're living in a bubble. So maybe I, there was 01:16:00.949 --> 01:16:03.329 the wrong dose, you know, maybe the wrong test. 01:16:04.270 --> 01:16:08.409 But, you know. It just that point is just we 01:16:08.409 --> 01:16:10.409 go down the road because a lot of times we find 01:16:10.409 --> 01:16:14.989 stuff we do Oh cool. Look at that Paris knows 01:16:14.989 --> 01:16:19.829 so much. It's so fascinating. Yeah. Yeah Yep. 01:16:20.590 --> 01:16:22.550 Well, thanks Ryan. Thanks for having me on again. 01:16:22.550 --> 01:16:24.710 I super appreciate you And like I said, I just 01:16:24.710 --> 01:16:26.430 want to tell listeners this none of this is medical 01:16:26.430 --> 01:16:29.670 advice. I work I work at Rossignol Medical Center 01:16:29.670 --> 01:16:33.890 Dr. Rossignol is my supervising doc there and 01:16:33.890 --> 01:16:36.140 he's always he never wants He always wants me 01:16:36.140 --> 01:16:38.560 to tell everybody, no, this is not medical advice. 01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:41.920 Talk to your doctor. But we're a great center. 01:16:42.100 --> 01:16:46.239 We have like three locations in the U .S. and 01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:48.720 we're seeing new patients. But if you just want 01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:53.640 to contact me, I'm on X. I have a website personally, 01:16:54.340 --> 01:16:58.560 www .nicholeryncon .com. You can contact me there 01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:02.739 as well. So yeah, I'm available and I'm open 01:17:02.739 --> 01:17:06.439 for any discussions. and opportunities too, for 01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:08.100 further research. Oh yeah, and the research, 01:17:08.380 --> 01:17:10.420 yeah, we're always doing research at our clinic, 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:13.340 so. And I'm always looking forward to your research, 01:17:13.500 --> 01:17:16.500 yeah, so. Yeah, I'm always looking forward to 01:17:16.500 --> 01:17:20.239 what your group's pushing out. Dr. Fry is coming 01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:24.199 on next week as well. Oh, is he? Oh, great, wonderful. 01:17:24.300 --> 01:17:25.659 He's gonna come on for a second once a year. 01:17:25.699 --> 01:17:30.340 I'm like so blessed that your group here is so 01:17:30.340 --> 01:17:35.340 willing to come on and share. Yeah, he's a good 01:17:35.340 --> 01:17:37.560 guy. He's a wealth of knowledge. And he's my 01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:40.039 he's the PhD, you know, he's he'll tell you all 01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:42.560 the nitty gritty about the science. So I, you 01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:46.140 know, I appreciate him a lot. Yeah. It's great 01:17:46.140 --> 01:17:50.479 work from you guys. Thanks. Thanks for coming 01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:55.380 on. Thanks, Ryan. We'll have a good week. Hopefully 01:17:55.380 --> 01:17:58.140 we'll we'll chat soon again. Let me know. We'll 01:17:58.140 --> 01:18:03.170 have to figure out our next topic. Yeah. Okay. 01:18:03.689 --> 01:18:04.229 Thanks, Ryan.