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Welcome to From the Spectrum Podcast.

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This is a podcast about autism.

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It is my goal to explain what is autism.

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I plan to use a mixture of scientific literature, personal experience, and opinion.

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With opinion, I will explain why I feel the way I do and give examples.

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I will provide links to various references for each episode.

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For each episode, we will discuss various aspects of autism.

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Before we begin, I'd like to highlight some more on the cause of autism.

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I feel it necessary and worthy to explain more detail about the human biology.

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Human disease or conditions or health impairments, whatever you want to call them, such as autism,

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translates environmental signals that inform our genes on how to respond.

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What conducts our biology?

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Those environmental signals are electromagnetic fields.

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We've discussed light as an electromagnetic strip.

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This informs the body how to respond.

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Disruption in our healthy environmental EMF signals creates the disease, impairments, etc.

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Here we are talking about things like protein and DNA sequencing, electron transport chain,

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and the mitochondria, the water metabolism, and processes within the cytochromes, healthy

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or unhealthy cell development, cell life or cell death, etc.

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Autism is our biological response to changes in EMF, the light source.

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This ought to be of consideration when we explain.

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When autism research explains, there are over 100 risk genes that cause autism that are

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involved in autism.

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And also, these over 100 risk genes doesn't mean you have autism.

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Something about that does not add up.

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For today's episode, we will cover why autism and ADHD are very distinct conditions and should

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have caution before being comorbid diagnosis.

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I want to say if the children observed by Leo Kanner and Hans Asperger were observed

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today, if they were alive today, they would have received an ADHD diagnosis, likely comorbid

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with autism, and they would likely receive Oppositional Defiant Disorder, or ODD.

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More on those in a bit.

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Remember Erwin Schrodinger's comments on Leo Kanner?

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Schrodinger said about Kanner.

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Kanner thought what nobody has yet thought about that, which everybody sees.

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If we look at autism and even the modern day ADHD condition, everybody can see something

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is going on.

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Something isn't exactly right for the children.

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And mostly we think some sort of intervention needs to be implemented, some sort of help.

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And remember Schrodinger's work very much explains the part that we began with about

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the electromagnetic fields and how life uses light.

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We cannot forget this.

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Modern accreditations, or medicine, and society even, they can't have just a singular cause

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for the autistic disturbances.

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These so-called differences in socialness relative to social norms.

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Either it lacks critical thinking and understanding, or it acts as a conveyor belt for prescription

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medications.

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Both reasons are wrong, and both are harmful.

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If you zoom out and look at society, look at our children.

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Something isn't right.

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Now we can see that, that doesn't cause conflict.

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But the reasons, that's for these modern day health conditions and these situations where

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more and more diagnoses are occurring.

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There are a couple things wrong and a couple of conflicts that these create for both the

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lay public and professionals.

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Neurodiverse is a touchy and maybe harmful movement.

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People identify or claim to be here.

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Society subordinates or subjects people as this and essentially it's just labeling people.

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Something humans love to do.

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People will say, oh that's just my OCD or oh that's just my ADHD.

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Okay, so now what?

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One, it's not even OCD when people are saying this loosely.

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People will say this in the example of oh everything must be in a certain order.

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I like it in alpha order or everything must be straightened up, just right.

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That's not OCD, but people will just say this.

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Now if you have to touch something a certain amount of times or until it feels right or

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if it has to make a certain type of noise before you can move on, then yeah maybe that's OCD.

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But people say this, they say oh that's just my OCD or oh I'm very OCD without having any

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context or accuracy.

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Also it is easy for people in society now to say oh that's just my ADHD.

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Maybe they're forgetful or they have a hard time concentrating.

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This is what we're going to parse out.

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The ADHD in attention, hyperactivity and impulsivity and autism.

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These are very distinct conditions.

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Yet society comorbids these over half the time.

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And I want to show, I want to clarify this distinct natures, the distinct characteristics

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of autism versus ADHD.

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These ought to be very rare.

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Most importantly we need to remember criteria B3 of autism.

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Now when we talk about Leo Kanner and Hans Asperger's and even some of the children before

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them, the characteristic that showed up and made people think well something's different

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here with this child.

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It involved with them, the child being removed from the influence and the surrounding environment,

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the lack of integration in society.

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Some notes from Leo Kanner's first child he observed with autism.

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Donald Triplett, his father said, Donald is happiest when he was alone.

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He draws into a shell and lives within himself.

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He is oblivious to everything around him.

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When interfered with he becomes, he throws tantrums.

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And if you think about ADHD and the inattention, the hyperactivity and impulsivity, surely

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you can draw a connection here that autism is what's causing it.

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However it's easy for others to say Donald doesn't even pay attention.

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He should be paying attention or if somebody interferes with him and he is upset and throws

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tantrums.

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Well now people will say that's hyperactivity and impulsivity and he cannot control his

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behaviors for this environment.

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He needs to remain seated and pay attention.

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Remember there are a couple of possibilities here that are influencing this within the

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autistic phenotype.

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One the outside world is chaotic for the autistic.

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But two at the core of autism is that B3 criteria, that B3 symptom or trait, the phenotype,

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whatever the language.

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And we will show even how the human language was very confusing for the children back in

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the 30s.

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B3 remember is restricted, fixated interest, that are so called abnormal in intensity or

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focus.

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Strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed

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or persuasive interest.

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And remember in the Rates of Autism episode when we explained GM Piaget in 1923 captured.

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He found that children had a visual thinking, imagery thinking ability.

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And this is autism, this is what really made Temple Grandin stand out, the Thinking and

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Pictures book.

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The Piaget publishing predates Canner and Asperger's.

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But Piaget was during a time with Eugen Bueller where it was more of a twilight peak.

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However, I suspect Piaget thought maybe something else was happening here.

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And we covered this, we covered the twilight peaks and these Thinking and Pictures capabilities.

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The outside world is not as interesting.

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So at the core of autism, the true characteristic is B3, restricted, fixated interest, that are

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abnormal in intensity or focus.

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From here, all the other characteristics branch off.

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Remember we've discussed when we have time to intend to our B3, whatever fixated interest

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we have, that helps B2, the adherence of inflexible schedules, needing that routine.

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That lightens that up and we have a better ability to adapt to those schedules if we

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have time for the fixated interest.

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And let's not forget social communication and interaction, the entire criteria A, which

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is what is mostly observed and thought to be autism.

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But people have it backwards.

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The A shows up because of the criteria B, that self-sufficiency.

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Canner suggested it was an innate disorder.

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Now we're going to read a little bit about Canner's children and Asperger's children

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and letters from the parents at this time.

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We will cover Donald Triplett, the first person ever diagnosed with autism.

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What his father provides to Leo Canner is telling, this is what is missing today.

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Society loves to lump things together, disintegrate everything, to straw a bunch of things at one

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thing and it helps them, makes them feel better like they're doing something.

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Oh, I'm helping this child.

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They have this, this and this.

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All of this makes sense to them.

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Let's review some of the key symptoms or traits or characteristics, whatever you want to call

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them, of autism and then of ADHD.

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So criteria A we know, social communication and interaction.

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A1, deficits in social emotional reciprocity, ranging from things like back and forth conversation

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and a reduced sharing of interest or emotions or effect and the failure to respond.

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A2, deficits in nonverbal communication behaviors.

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Remember, a large part of the human communication is using social cues, things like eye contact

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and hand movements, eye gaze where your eyes are looking, facial expressions and such.

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A3, deficits in developing, maintaining and understanding relationships.

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Now soon we'll have an episode on autism and relationships.

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This has been finished but I keep putting it back because it seems like more and more

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salient topics of autism has been hitting me lately.

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Things like the cause of autism and autism research and this ADHD comorbid situation.

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A3 captures this lack of interaction, this lack of imaginative play and sharing.

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Remember some of my personal experiences, the things that I've mentioned about playing

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games.

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Make believe games is a child and it's going differently than what we established and

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me getting upset, what you will see later as tantrums from the canner and Asperger's

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kids.

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But remember where this stems from, this stems from that rigid thinking patterns, the black

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and white thinking patterns.

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So now B, criteria B, restricted repetitive behavior, interest or activities.

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B1, stereotype or repetitive motor movements or the use of objects or speech.

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Things like echolalia or lining up and flipping toys.

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B2, insistence on sameness, that inflexible adherence to routines or ritualized patterns

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of verbal or nonverbal behavior.

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Rules are rules and if they're changed, well that doesn't make sense.

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Then B3, we've covered and then it ends with B4, hyper or hypo reactivity to sensory input

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or unusual interest in sensory aspects of the environment.

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It's not hard to understand or see examples of sensory processing problems with the autistic

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phenotype.

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So a brief review of these is the social communication is poor, that's understandable for you as

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The schedules and the rules shifting, remember autism and adaptive responses.

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We don't have those adaptive responses that others have.

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Remember the neurobiology up through the medial prefrontal cortex and the ACC areas.

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This is well researched in autism in the routines and the ability to be sensitive to things

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in our environment.

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Now if you think about it, before we even review ADHD, you might think of someone with

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ADHD who is very chaotic in their environment.

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They are constantly moving around, fidgeting, they are getting in trouble, they can't sit

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still, they're not paying attention and so forth.

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But we've covered these autistic phenotypes that can lead to those behaviors.

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See this is what we need to really parse out.

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The criteria that autistic phenotype can cause many problems in the environment as the

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autistic are navigating the environment that will show up with similar features of ADHD

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or ODD.

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And we have to really understand that autism causes this.

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Autism gives us those maladaptive responses or a lack of adaptive responses that chaotic

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outside world that presents an overwhelming feeling.

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Remember the autism and anxiety episode.

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We highlighted those three key features in anxiety.

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Avoidance, the physiological response and valence, attaching an emotion or outcome positive

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or negative to whatever situation the living organism is navigating.

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OK, some of the ADHD symptoms, starting with criteria A in attention.

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A1 often fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes.

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B, often has difficulty sustaining attention in task or play activities.

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C, often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly.

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D, often does not follow through on instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores or

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E, often has difficulty organizing tasks and activities.

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F, often avoids dislikes or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require substantial

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mental effort.

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G, often loses things necessary for tasks or activities.

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H, is often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli.

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I, is often forgetful in daily activities.

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OK, criteria 2, which is hyperactivity and impulsivity.

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A, often fidgets with or taps hands or feet or squirms in seat.

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B, often leaves seats in situations when remaining seated is expected.

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C, often runs about or climbs in situations where it is inappropriate.

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D, often unable to play or engage in leisure activities quietly.

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E, is often on the go or driven by a motor.

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F, often talks excessively.

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G, often blurts out an answer before a question has been completed.

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H, often has difficulty waiting his or her turn.

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I, often interrupts or intrudes on others.

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OK, that's a lot of symptoms.

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There's a requirement.

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You must have 6 of inattention to be diagnosis inattentive or 6 of the hyperactivity impulsivity

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to be diagnosed with that.

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So this is important too.

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You can have an ADHD diagnosis with just the inattentive type or just the hyperactivity

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impulsivity type.

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And there are different specifiers.

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OK, not really important.

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What is important is these symptoms get lumped together and people cannot discriminate them

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properly.

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Which is why the Erwin Schrodinger quote on Leo Kanner fits today.

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We lack a Leo Kanner.

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Let's parse this out.

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ADHD1A often fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes.

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1, we are already innate.

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We are already within our self.

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And remember, are you even interesting?

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And that does not dismiss who this other person might be or what their role might be.

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Be it an educator or even a parent or a friend, a supervisor.

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These things can have tremendous challenges.

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B, often has difficult sustaining attention in tasks or play activities.

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This is criteria A and B3.

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The social communication and interaction, the autism in relationships are already a challenge.

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play or interest.

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Is the autistic inattentive or is the autistic bored?

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Checked out.

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And then probably the easiest one with the inattention of ADHD is C.

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This is, the whole reason autism exists.

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This from the little children back in the 30s with Canter and Asperger's.

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It seemed like they weren't there.

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1D often does not follow through on instructions and fails to finish schoolwork.

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Massive amounts of things and expectations go bad.

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This becomes expected as we navigate society or navigate a school building or school day.

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We expect, well things here are going to be overwhelming.

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It's not going to go right.

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There's going to be a lot of things that don't make sense.

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And remember the closeness to perfectionism.

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Perfectionism tracks heavily with the autistic phenotype.

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And I think this exists because of those self sufficiency.

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Remember the comparison to B movie.

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We are just very self efficient on our inside with our thoughts and our imagination.

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And don't underestimate the amount of time we spend with this so called innate ability.

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We have the ability to perfect this.

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However, once we integrate with society, other people and other environments, obviously,

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there are a lot of external stimuli coming into play.

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Not from what society says or not how society says we ought to.

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Which can explain 1F as well.

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ADHD 1F suggests people avoid tasks that sustain or that need mental effort along sustaining

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mental effort.

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With autism, there's a lot of things that don't make sense on the outside.

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Remember we are integrating different forms of speech and communication and sensory processing

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and trying to make sense, trying to create order with that disorder from the environment.

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At the core of human advancement is speech and language.

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This is how we advance and sustain our species.

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The conveyance of information and instruction.

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With ADHD, it should appear that this is more of a concentration or that inattentive problem.

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The key here is, is it interesting or not?

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project or task is.

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Then jumping up to H is often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli.

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This is understood by the lay public and the professionals.

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There's a sensory processing phenomena here.

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Which also explains down to the hyperactivity and impulsivity A. Often fidgets with or taps

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hands or feet and squirms.

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This will be highlighted in the canner paper.

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This is highlighted in my personal experience.

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And this is part of that stereotypy motor movements.

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This occurs in the autistic phenotype.

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Under the excitation inhibition imbalance.

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The overly excitation is generating these motor movements that metabolic energy going

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on within us.

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B often leaves C in situations when remaining seating is expected back to the sensory processing

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problem.

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Things get overwhelmed and if you're a child, especially if you're a child, you have no

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idea how to communicate this.

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The sensory processing is lumped into this hyperactivity and impulsivity language.

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Same with E. Often on the go or driven by a motor.

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Well it depends on if it's the motor movements, the excitation inhibition or downstream from

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the sensory processing phenomena.

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Now I will say that both autism and ADHD are well researched problems in the striatum.

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We've covered the striatum pretty frequently.

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It's a place where motor movements and motivation converge and they produce a behavior.

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You also probably know that ticks Tourette's are highly involved here too.

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The problem is, since ADHD is kind of a buzzword, it's at the forefront of society's attention.

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They just think these motor movements are hyperactivity impulsivity.

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If we look at Fritz V, the first child in Asperger Autistic Psychopathy, he was very

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fidgety and could not control his motor movements.

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With Asperger's syndrome, there is a lot more conduct problems than what Leo Kanner

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saw.

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Today, that's a go to ADHD diagnosis and something like the ODD or Conduct Disorder.

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And then also there are some contrasts, some major contrasts here.

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Back to the inattention.

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Often fails to give close attention.

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Well if you have B3, if it's a restricted fixated interest, then how could you have both?

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Or often has difficulty sustaining attention and task.

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If you have B3, that core of autism, this is very much a contradiction, a complete opposite.

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And to sum up ADHD and inattention, items A, B, C and F could have many different reasons

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why this would occur.

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There are many different scenarios that causes this with all humans.

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Now I understand, just because we're forcing out the difference between autism and ADHD,

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but the ADHD requirement, you must have them for different environments and in a certain

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length of time criteria B, the hyperactivity and impulsivity.

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Most of these are just typical responses.

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When the human has reached a sympathetic nervous system, when our alert and stress system is

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responding a little bit too much.

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In social environments, the classroom or a playground, whatever the case, this happens

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for the autistic phenotype.

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It happens quite easily.

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When I see or whenever I hear children, or does anyone really diagnose autism and ADHD

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inattention, nothing about this makes sense.

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This is almost impossible.

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This is also true with the autism and ADHD diagnosis, with the hyperactivity, impulsivity

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specifier.

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Yet, there are so many cases of this.

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This is our paradigm.

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This is our shift.

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ADHD today is a buzzword.

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ADHD is a hot topic.

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One, there are prescription medications, a whole plethora of them, a whole menu of options

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now, before it was Adderall and then Mesofenodate.

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But now it's mostly mesofenodate, concerta, vivants.

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You have all of these prescription options and it's easy to get these.

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And society, the manufacturers are running out.

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They can't keep up with demand.

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This is a problem.

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This ADHD diagnosis is a conveyor belt for this prescription medication.

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We think that children, or even the adolescents and adults, they can't navigate this modern

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world with the changes in light source and the time removed from the sunlight to the

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artificial light and all of the non-native EMFs.

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Everything is changing.

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Now, instead of addressing the problem, we're just going to throw prescription medications

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out at it.

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Throw prescription medications out towards the public.

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It's so easy to go into your PCP, talk about inattention problems, or my child has inattention

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problems.

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He can't sit still.

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Okay, try this medication.

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That's our first line.

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When people get diagnosed with autism and ADHD, and the whole smorgasbord within the

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DSM, a couple of anxiety situations, ODD, remember oppositional defiant disorder.

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This is the absolute worst diagnosis.

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Only a human creation would do such a thing.

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Tell a child, tell a parent, tell a loved one, a guardian that, oh, your child has oppositional

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defiant disorder.

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I've seen parents just totally have the hope sucked out of them.

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Hearing these words, oh, their ODD is suffocating, suffocating their hope.

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It's not enough for a child for the accurate occasions of having ADHD and having that hyperactivity

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and impulsivity having troubles controlling oneself as they navigate the environment.

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They must have ODD as well, or conduct disorder as well.

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It's not enough that the hyperactivity and impulsivity can explain it.

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It's just, here, let's still want these other symptoms or these other diagnoses too.

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Because we don't want a singular thing to explain any one thing.

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We just want to throw multiple diagnoses out at these conditions, at our living situation,

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and call it good.

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This makes the provider feel good about whatever it is they're doing.

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They think they are helping, and it calms them, oh, I'm doing my job.

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This is the training.

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This is what training and the paradigm says.

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He or she meets symptoms for six diagnoses.

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Autism, ADHD, general and anxiety disorder, social anxiety disorder, ODD.

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What is the purpose?

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Are we helping or not helping?

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It's not good enough that a child has autism and they have troubles with integrating themselves

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in play or in the classroom.

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Remember autism and education.

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There are many contrasts, at least four contrasts, for the autistic phenotype in the classroom.

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It's not good enough that that explains the condition.

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But we have to lump all of these other things onto it.

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What are we actually doing?

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And after the B3 episode, I hope you have more understanding about the core of autism

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and that innate ability, that innate condition that we are restricted on fixated interests

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that are either abnormal or perfect in intensity or focus.

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Here's the conundrum.

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The DSM labels B3 as restricted fixated interest that are abnormal in intensity or focus.

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And the DSM also labels ADHD with an inattention subcategory.

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Is it abnormal intensity or focus or is it inattention?

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As we wrap up today, I hope you can parse out the differences between autism and ADHD.

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Now it's true that there are some overlap here, but that overlap is explained by obvious

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situations.

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In addition, there are many contrasts here.

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It does not make sense on why so many people are co-morbid.

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These are very distinct conditions.

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Before we wrap up, we will have a future episode covering Leo Cantor's Autistic Disturbances

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of Effective Contact and Hans Asperger's Autistic Psychopathy.

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We will see that many of these children have autism and only autism.

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And you will see that some of these symptoms described in the 1930s would classify as ADHD

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today.

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In the 30s with Leo Cantor and Hans Asperger, it was just fine.

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It was accepted to just have one condition.

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One condition can explain the phenotype, such as Donald Triplett being self-satisfied or

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when he was interfered with had temper tantrums which were destructive.

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Today, that means something totally different than just autism.

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But in reality, it's just autism.

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I hope that you are learning about autism.

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Autism is hard to parse out because we are so saturated with views and opinions and people

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not knowing exactly what is going on.

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And before we end, I just want to remind that the cause of autism seems pretty clear to

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me.

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It's very clear to me now as we both zoom out and look at the time frame and then also

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zoom in and look at the cause.

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I think this is very obvious, but it has little traction.

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Research is going in the wrong direction.

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And the cause of autism is jumping up and down, waving a flag.

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Look at me.

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Look here.

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All of this research is pointing to something in our biological processing, delight, water,

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magnetism, the items we use, the proteins are involved, all of our biological components.

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Something has changed.

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Nothing was added.

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Something changed.

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And that change appears to be the change from sunlight and the solar spectra, the 280 to

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3100 nanometers, to the isolated artificial light as the electromagnetic field that drives

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human and living organisms on Earth.

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Thank you for listening to From the Spectrum podcast.

