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Welcome to From the Spectrum Podcast.

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This is a podcast about Autism.

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It is my goal to explain what is Autism.

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I plan to use a mixture of scientific literature, personal experience, and opinion.

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With opinion, I will explain why, after the way I do, and give examples.

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I will provide links for various references for each episode.

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For each episode, we will discuss various aspects of Autism.

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The From the Spectrum Podcast will mostly avoid causes of Autism.

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And I will try avoiding the increase of diagnoses of late.

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This is like playing tug of war with barbed wire.

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And I don't think I want to travel down that path.

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I would like to begin with a short clip of Sir Simon Baron Cohen featured on Brain Science,

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a podcast hosted by Dr. Ginger Campbell, MD.

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Brain Science is in the podcasting Hall of Fame and is a worthy podcast to check out.

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We owe a debt of gratitude to Autistic people because their genome, their genetic makeup

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overlaps with the genetic makeup of people who have been inventing for the last 70 to

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100,000 years.

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Human progress wouldn't have achieved what it has without Autistic people.

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For today's episode, we will cover Autism and Employment.

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We will cover good things and possible routes to superpowers.

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And we will cover bad things, our super deficits, and struggles.

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I am sure you will see each, the good and bad, as we cover plenty of topics and traits.

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Please don't try to change an Autistic person because they are different than you or different

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than others.

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Don't let that offend your beliefs and capacity to apply critical thinking in life.

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Remember, don't arrive at something and it makes sense to you and you think that must

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be it or that is it.

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Autism and Employment is difficult.

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It is difficult for many reasons.

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What we cover today is not exhaustive.

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Just items for my research, my personal life, and my discussion with others.

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In this episode, I will share experiences from my life.

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Before we begin, I just want to mention, I think society is a trap.

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Society is a trap for people around the ages of, let's say, 17, 18 to mid-20s.

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They are forced to do something.

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Make a decision.

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Are you going to go to university here and pursue this occupation?

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Or are you going to straight into the workforce?

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Now, when you go straight into the workforce, let's say, at best, you work part-time work

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during high school and you make something like a couple of thousand dollars a year.

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And then you go into full-time work and you get a massive pay increase.

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Probably the highest pay increase you will see your entire life.

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And pay increases is a trap too.

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Pay increases were short-term.

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People think they need a pay raise and they receive it.

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And then maybe six months later or maybe two years later, they need another pay increase.

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It is a vicious cycle because the trap, as I mentioned earlier, the original trap is

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people get hitched on money, material things, and they overlook what they can do in life,

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their passions, things that they can do and want to do, and they don't pursue them even

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if they recognize them.

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Change is very complicated and difficult for the human being.

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We love what we know.

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Remember from previous episodes, anytime we change or learn, there are underlying feelings

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of agitation and frustration and we have to be uncomfortable.

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We love to return to our comfortable state.

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That's what we do.

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Stimulus response.

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Remember that.

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Remember it's easy for us to say, oh, this is just what I am.

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This is what I have to do.

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In addition, it seems, it seems to me that people in their 20s, their time perception

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about how their life ought to be and how it ought to play out is inaccurate.

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Time perception in the 20s is strange.

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Take your time.

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Find something that you love to do, that you can do, and that you will do, and if not,

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keep trying.

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Autism awareness is increasing.

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No, that does not explain autistic's current condition and employment, whether that's

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a good thing or bad, meaning our employment opportunities increasing for autistic's.

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It seems so.

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Maybe it is because the amount of autistic's entering the workforce now.

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Think the combination of awareness and prevalence.

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In my opinion, the role of autistic's in their workforce changing comes from others and employers.

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Maybe, maybe understanding our unique superpowers.

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Some interesting jobs that I have had is I worked in accounts receivable, and I used

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to just enter in bank statements and ACH payments on the 10 key.

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I would receive a daily stack of bank records or ACH payments, some sort of transaction

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from the banks, and I had stacks of hundreds at a time.

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I would just, me and the 10 key, I would just knock all these transactions out on the 10

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key, processing them, and I was very fast at it.

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It was a clear set of rules and a routine, and rarely were there any changes, there were

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rarely any if, then concepts.

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Our unique contribution to the company's objectives, abilities like visual thinking and

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pattern anticipation and recognition are valuable.

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Maybe jobs are working better because people are understanding how, how to utilize these

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superpowers, these unique skills.

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However, the rate filling these positions and utilizing the roles autistic's can serve

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is what's in question.

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Remember, humans have difficulty when things offend their beliefs, when things offend their

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capacity to think.

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As we discuss abilities and inabilities, think about criteria A and B. Maybe have those so-called

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symptoms or traits available to review.

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Let's start with the beginning, the interview.

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Well, even before the interview, the applying process, which is essentially promoting the

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self.

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In other words, look at me.

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We hate.

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Look at me.

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Okay, the interview, some potential struggles here, because we are late adolescent to younger

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adults, well, even through adulthood.

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But more so in the younger ages, we have bad social experiences, as do most of us do in

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the social world.

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But when our lack of social skills and social desires are in play here, it makes this conversation

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very awkward and difficult.

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We have negative expectations.

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Things will happen and be difficult in this social situation.

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And we will not capture or highlight our abilities.

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We will not convey this accurately.

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And really, maybe it is not the fault of others.

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We've covered this.

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What am I about to say?

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If this is not you, you have no idea.

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You cannot conceptualize our abilities, our superpowers.

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But you can likely understand the super deficits.

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The superpowers are hard to understand.

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The super deficits you can understand.

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In the interview, we may provide this information.

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We may just be completely honest and accurate with you, no holding back.

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I think it is my opinion I want you to know the good and the bad.

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I want you to know everything about me.

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What you are getting.

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Humans can get hitched on negatives, especially if other candidates hide theirs or don't share

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them.

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Now you don't have an equal comparison as the employer.

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Remember what I said in the previous episode or a previous episode.

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Employers asking the candidate why they are a good candidate.

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That's an awkward question.

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Things like persuasion, marketing, promoting, and even stretching this truth as some people

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say, the so-called stretching the truth.

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This is lying.

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I hate that.

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Manipulation and lying is what's happening here.

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However, our superpowers, you cannot understand that visualization and systemizing the pattern

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thinking ability and all of the brain energy used to run these models in our head.

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You, the employer, or other, you will hear it and maybe try to understand it.

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Or maybe you won't.

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Maybe it will offend your capacity to think and you just shut it down.

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But remember two things.

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One, likely we didn't explain it well, we don't explain our abilities well.

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And two, you've never experienced it so you cannot fully understand what we're even talking

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about.

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Unless, the slight chance you have some direct or indirect experience with autism.

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However, if you've been around autism or you have autism, that's a plus.

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That's an easier convenience.

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And there's many people that say that autistics can be very friendly and be comfortable around

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each other in conversation and in the social world.

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Society is experiencing this more and more and by proxy knowledge about autistic superpowers

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are expanding.

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The autistic traits, the superpowers, honest and dependable, think a lot of B2, insistence

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on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines and ritualized patterns.

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Autistics have an ability to be reliable and logical.

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Rules are rules and rigid thinking is rigid thinking.

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Autistics can be more reliable than AI on this programming, AI.

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Michael Grandin explains, autistics, thinking in pictures, visual thinking is the same process

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AI uses to detect melanoma.

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Some of this stuff in the world is simply wrong.

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About two months ago, I was washing my hands in a sink that uses sensors to activate the

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water.

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This sensor and all the sensors in this bathroom, it was a big bathroom at a large sports complex.

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All of the sensors were wrong.

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It took one hand placed just right in front of the sensor.

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And if you move the hand out to the water flow, it would shut off the water even before

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the hand would reach the water flow.

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I thought, this is such a waste, such a poor design.

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They need an autistic to fix the sensor and or an autistic to design the system.

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Somebody designed that and made a decision that was good.

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That was not good.

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I like all others using the sinks that we can was annoyed.

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It was such a waste.

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And someone decided it was OK.

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That is what's fascinating.

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Engineering, programming, coding are good for autistics and maintenance and repair positions

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or various trades are too.

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For criteria B, restricted repetitive behaviors.

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We like routines.

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Need routines.

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But our routines.

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So it needs to make sense to us.

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If the rules and routines fit, we love it.

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Rules that don't make sense.

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The rules and routines that are done just because in quotations are no good.

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Just because equals no thank you.

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That's human thought and human creation.

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I think let's do better.

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We see bottlenecks and fix them or say what the problems are.

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So maybe someone responsible can notice and fix them.

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Visualizing, systemizing, pattern thinking types.

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Seeing processes.

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Those are excellent traits for seeing errors.

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If I or we say that doesn't make sense or why is it done like that.

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That's the employer or superior's cue.

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That's your prompt to say maybe that needs changed.

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Let's look at that.

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However, lots of times because humans, well, we have to get it approved and run it up the

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chain.

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There more people must have the capacity to see it, understand what we're saying and seeing

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and understand it.

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Mostly I just hear waste, waste and more waste.

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That is a silo effect.

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Silo is just keep building what is already there.

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Keep expanding upward.

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Building more of what is already there instead of expanding outward.

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A good trait with our thinking patterns is it is a path for self sufficiency.

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We can provide this to the objectives.

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Like earlier with others having to understand it.

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The vision.

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We can struggle explaining it.

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When I worked in an engineering department, I had this several times.

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Eventually I could just do it.

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I moved up the hierarchy.

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Remember the first episode and the employees under me trusted me.

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I proved it.

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I proved it time after time and they trusted me.

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They understood what I saw and that was critical.

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Whenever I moved up this hierarchy, it was a very tall corporation.

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So it took some time and there was a lot of previous examples of nothing changing because

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too many people had to be involved to see it and approve it.

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But that doesn't make it make sense.

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The higher in the chain of command, the more humans put on themselves.

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The more they want to succeed and not fail.

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Not look bad.

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It's reputation.

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I like to feel I am doing something for an overall goal.

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Like I am providing something to something.

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Maybe this is a supplement for the lack of connections in my life.

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Maybe not.

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But I do know and this is crucial.

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What I am doing must serve something and must make sense.

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I am vastly struggling with that right now in my part time job.

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Treat traits.

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Maybe some super deficits.

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Certainly you can see these with and without autism.

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But change is tough.

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Remember the routines and predictableness.

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This is stressful.

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Remember one of the jobs of the human cortex is running models of the self and how we will

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be entangled with others and the outside world.

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All people do this.

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How we interact.

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How we put ourselves in the environment and become entangled.

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In a previous episode we discussed the medial prefrontal cortex and the metabolic demand

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of this area of the prefrontal cortex.

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This is heavily involved.

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In a future episode we will parse out the medial prefrontal cortex in detail.

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Areas such as the ACC and the ANSLA are very fascinating.

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The social aspect of employment.

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This is possibly the most challenging.

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And this is true for me.

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It is not intentional.

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It is not anti-social.

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The small talk.

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Various problems with that.

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Remember with autism.

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This is a spectrum.

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As is essentially everything in our life.

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Everything in our life falls on a spectrum.

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Autism or not autism.

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Sometimes we want friends and to socialize.

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Sometimes we don't.

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It's too much.

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It's too difficult.

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And there are a lot of variables here.

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Remember the metabolic bank account discussed in part two of the EI imbalance.

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Lots of times we are misunderstood.

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So during the interview or even after having the job we are still misunderstood.

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No workers and superiors think we are lost.

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Unmotivated.

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Distant.

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Or we can be passed over.

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Maybe others think we are wasting time on the wrong thing.

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Maybe we are stuck and likely asking for help is not going to happen.

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It is a very bad expectation.

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Maybe we are not in the group or don't fit in.

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Remember humans migrate to similarities.

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Similar to the brain development discussion.

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Humans do this.

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Different people are more challenging to understand.

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Naturally, most people don't want that challenge or conflict.

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It's natural.

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Mixing the fitting in, pressure or inability and the sensory processing.

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These are sources for masking and then fatigue, avoidance and burnout.

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In my life, mostly my vacation time are just random days.

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Just random days I just need to kind of reset.

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Re-energize and refill that metabolic bank account.

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And this can happen quite frequently.

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Probably more so than others.

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I know so.

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Often we feel stuck.

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Bored, underutilized, more of that misunderstanding from coworkers and superiors.

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Networking, remember challenges with promoting ourselves or even caring to.

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Meaning the persuasion is just not happening.

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Marketing, manipulation does not happen.

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Besides, networking is strange.

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If or when in a leadership role, it's difficult balancing that role of being in between, having

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superiors and subordinates.

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I have many years of this and it is exhausting.

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Maintaining those social challenges and now add multiple roles.

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Conflict resolution.

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Much of this comes from our rigid thinking.

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It's not complicated to do what you are supposed to do.

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It's not complicated to stay within yourself.

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At least for autistics it isn't, but maybe that's a superpower.

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Remember, autism gives us the ability to be comfortable within ourselves.

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We are very interoceptive.

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Typically we can tell others what or how to do it, but anything after that, why can't

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you just do it?

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I once heard problems resort back to one of two things.

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Direction or discipline.

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Direction equals being shown, trained, providing instruction and being able to do it.

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The subordinate can do it.

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Description equals the person can do it, but made a decision to not do it.

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This is accurate.

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In employment you have to know how to do something.

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Then you do it.

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However, humans are subjected to our here and now factors.

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There are many variables in play into our decision making.

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And humans, I've often thought, we make several hundred decisions every single day.

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Any type of conflict from superiors or subordinates is exhausting.

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A good and bad trait is perfectionism.

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Constantly running models of how things should go, how things did go, versus our expectations,

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versus things we should or could have done or said.

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This is constant background noise.

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Automation and autism are very closely tied and entangled together.

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It is a good source of superpowers and a good source of super deficits.

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It's very draining that metabolic bank account.

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And remember the challenges of just knowing when to talk or join a conversation.

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These are constant factors occurring in the background, in our body.

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That EI balance implicates this.

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The superpower is this allows us to be efficient and protective of ourselves.

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The super deficit is the EI balance and that metabolic bank account.

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And remember those random days off, those random days away from society and the chaotic

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outside world.

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Connect this to our propensity for small or no crowds.

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The social isolation and avoidance burn out and so forth.

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But more importantly, understand the superpowers more so than the challenges and struggles,

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those super deficits.

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Highlight and capture the things that you can do and will do and love to do.

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It is too easy to get hitched on negatives and have that consume our energy.

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The nervous system will expand and use the energy regardless of if it's a good thing

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or it's a bad thing.

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The nervous system does not need context.

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Suse strengths and pursue superpowers.

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Please see Temple Grandin and Sir Simon Baron Cohen on specific connections with various

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autistic thinking types and certain professions.

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