Welcome to downtown Coolsville. Population? Us.
That is incredible inertia. Maybe it's just glad
to see you. What's with your head? I was looking
for the kids. We're in a coal mine? You're in
the backyard. This stuff will make you a goddamn
sexual tyrannosaurus. Just like me. Oh, they
want to play mini golf, eh? Two can play at that
game. Or even four, depending on the number of
ball colors available. Yo, Kate! Where do you
keep your casserole dishes? Why? The cat won't
fit in the toaster. Hello and welcome to the
Untitled Swearing Sci -Fi Show. Yes, you may
hear some occasional swear words, not from Rob
or I. Yeah, with me, Tom, and the wife. She can't
hear us, I don't think. Oh, you can. She's playing
Resident Evil Requiem behind us, swearing, being
scared. So if you do hear the odd... Fuck, shit,
bugger. And maybe even the odd C -bomb. Maybe,
if you're lucky. If you're lucky, you might get
a C -bomb. That's not us. For once. I don't think
you'll get picked up on the mic, but she did
say sorry. How you been? Yeah, not too bad, mate.
Exhausted after this bloody bug we've both had.
It's still going for me. Yeah, no, it is. Yesterday,
full -on sinus headache. Had to go to bed. And
it vaguely disappeared between about 11 and midnight
fully. So I got a good night's sleep. But yeah,
this blimmin' cough. You've had the cough. I've
now got the bloody cough, which always gets me
at this time of year. Yeah, it's just ridiculous.
Just ridiculous. Whatever this was, COVID. Yeah,
probably COVID. It's been different every day.
Every day it's been a little bit different. Yesterday
I had the same. We had a headache and kind of...
horrible stuff all at the same time especially
i was in the dark in the front room yeah yeah
i'm just but that's the thing i realized i was
like oh should i just go to bed now and it's
like this isn't a headache this is sinus isn't
it so this sleep's not going to help this and
that's the worst case about this bug when it
first started i had 24 hours of sinus pain that
was so intense it woke me up in the middle of
the night and i couldn't get back to sleep it
was that painful what is this this is this is
horrible yeah i i had i had the headache as well
and i think it's science but i don't seem to
get it as bad as you the sinus stuff but then
i woke up in the middle of night with incredibly
bad stomach ache oh and then i managed to go
back to sleep again and then my company's gone
oh it's like it's just Opening up a little surprise
every moment of the day. What new things is disease
going to give me this time? Is it stomachache?
Is it diarrhea? Yeah, who knows? It could be
anything. It's the Pepto -Bismol advert that
they've started doing. I mean, I have had a few
cans of Coke recently, so I have been kind of
deflating like a burst balloon. So I might have
something to do with it. No, I guess the intro
to talk about, because obviously I did get a
message from Matt. uh apoc saying that they what's
the the editing software they use oh i can't
remember um i can't remember which could be said
that software i've got it written down you can
do screen recording with it like you can capture
the audio you're listening to on the computer
yep so i might and that might be how i have to
do it um if it's not going to take me forever
or i might just have to just change my work kind
of rotation just do one night i do the guess
the intro and then another night i do the it's
coming back It might be at the start of this
one. I don't know because I haven't done it yet.
That's future Rob's problem. So let's talk about
Star Trek. Enter authorization code. Okay, so
I don't really remember it. Which lucky I do
because I finished watching it this evening actually.
Because I watched it when it come out. Which
was about three weeks ago. Yeah. So we are talking
about episode number six, I believe. Come Let's
Away. It's called on IMDb. I remember liking
it. Yeah. The blip is cadets face a deadly new
threat during their first training mission aboard
a derelict vessel, forcing them to fight for
their lives as Nala turns to an unlikely ally
for assistance. It's a really, really solid episode.
After it came out, all I saw was hate for it.
which I thought was really weird. Lots of people
say, even people that were like, we're a fan
of this so far, or we're growing to like it,
were giving negative, and I don't get why. I
don't get why no one doesn't like it. I mean,
look, Paul, how do you say his name? Glamarty,
plays Nussbracker. He's great. I really like
him, and he's getting a little bit of pushback.
I think he's kind of eccentric, kind of alien,
evil guy. He plays it brilliantly. You know what?
He is Starfleet's Academy version of Mud from
Discovery. So if you remember Mud and that whole
time loop episode, which is probably the only
episode of Discovery I really like. I thought
that was a really solid, fun, clever episode.
This is their kind of version of him. But obviously
he is going to be the premier, the prime bad
guy for this season. As Picard had the Borg as
always, it feels like Starfleet Academy has him
for this series. Strange New Worlds have the
Gorn. Yeah, we've got the Gorn in Strange New
Worlds and it feels like, I can't remember their
race now or what they call themselves. Led by
him though, that is what feels like is going
to be their main issue for this whole series.
And he plays it well. He plays it brilliantly.
The whole scene where he sat with Nala and he's
just trying to have this conversation with her.
And he's basically just absolutely cutting into
her. So you left your son to die. You didn't
even leave your crew to go and be by yourself.
That must be like a trauma loop for you. It must
go on forever because there's no end, is there,
for you? Yeah, yeah. And all this. And it's wonderful
because I've got to say, the captain is still
growing on me. And there's a brilliant... I know
we've joked about the fact that why doesn't she
wear shoes and this whole feeling comfortable
on the bridge sort of thing has grated on some
people. But the very next episode, have you watched
any of the next episode yet? No, I haven't seen
anything past this. Okay. Spoiler for the next
episode, but it doesn't spoil it too much. Basically,
the very beginning of the episode explains it's
a holiday on Earth. So the Academy is basically
closed for Easter holidays. Okay. And everyone's
gone to various places. And Caleb just doesn't
want to go to this host family who's got to pretend
to be kind of, oh, we'll look after you for this.
So he gets to stay at the Academy. But he's having
this argument with Nala in her apartment, whatever
you want to call it. And she's packing this suitcase
and she's packing it atrociously. Things are
just being thrown in there. She's trying to close
it. And you can see it's just clearly not going
to close. And Caleb goes over and says, you just
don't know how to pack, do you? You've got four
pairs of boots in it. You don't even wear shoes.
That's an absolutely brilliant bit there. I love
it. Yeah. They're calling her out on it. Yeah.
So I love the fact they're starting to have fun
with that sort of thing. But going back to the
episode, obviously we've got this weird race,
which we've never come across before, with this
weird, blurry face, really thinking early 2000s
sort of. horror when they always used to do that
sort of oh it's meant to be a spooky thing so
the person who was possessed their face would
do that whole weird screaming shaky thing um
very much like that i felt but um even even to
the point this felt like this is um starfleet
academy trying to set up this is their version
of the kobayashi maru from the original star
trek series where of course kirk cheats and he's
the only person that's ever succeeded in it and
getting that whole storyline caleb turns up and
he cheats although it's not not in the rules
that he can use programmable matter to get past
this thing that he gets past yeah anyway they
didn't really set a rule to say he couldn't do
something they just he just kind of just did
it exactly so we we get this whole bit they're
on the on the ship this new race turns up takes
them hostage um i like the fact that the training
captain from the war um college basically just
sacrifices himself Bruce Lee as well. The sound
effects of him being ripped to shreds. But I
want to say his name is Barvey. No, no, no. That's
the war college cadet that gets killed at the
end. Oh, sorry. He jumps in either Vulcan or
whatever it was. We're talking about Tomov. Tomov,
yeah. That's the one, yes, Tomov. And gets ripped
to shreds to start with. And then obviously,
yeah, Barvey throws himself in front of the phaser
to save Caleb. So it's a really poignant episode
in some ways because you're getting the point
that the War College has been making fun of the
Starfleet Academy people that they don't believe
in Starfleet, but they still put their life on
the line for them. But also, he's a... Oh, fuck
it. What race is he again? Well, we're trying
to work out. Is he Vulcan? He's Vulcan. Yeah,
okay. And it kind of just feels like he's using
logic too. It's like he's not using his emotions.
He knows he doesn't like. didn't like caleb at
all but the logic is there says i need to my
job is to protect these people also caleb is
like their way out he's the only one so it's
like everyone can get out if he's alive take
me it's the only option i can get to save you
i can get there logic says i should sacrifice
myself for this person whether he likes or not
it's perfect yeah i didn't want him to die because
i didn't dislike him i didn't dislike anyone
in the war college i just know they're great
antagonists to the show this is it it's a perfect
antagonist that isn't really an antagonist it's
just there to cause a little bit of friction
and it gives it a little bit more kind of flavor
and texture which it which it needed and it works
brilliantly so it was a shame that they killed
him off but it was interesting that they don't
kill sam off who has a really good role in this
episode communicating with the ship getting up
and running and then ending up with this glitch
which i'm guessing is going to be an ongoing
story arc at some point i reckon so i don't think
she's obviously going to go and get fixed day
one and then we're never going to hear about
it again i think that's going to be that's going
to be something um whether or not it's her version
of being given emotions and so on like daiser
I don't know. Well, just as I called the Klingons
relationship with that guy, you called... I called
the Tamarina thing. She's got that thing because
she's fucking lethal. She's apocalyptic. Yeah,
she's like the Phoenix from that terrible X -Men
version of the films. Yeah, she basically can't
really control herself and blew her dad's eardrums
out. That's where her dad's deaf, yeah. But,
yeah, I mean, obviously she'll come back. I can't
see that they'll just bin her off. But I absolutely
saw that coming, that she was going to be some
sort of this wailing banshee, sort of emotion
-filled power driver, which, again, worked. When
you compare that to the story arcs that bloody
Deanna Troi was given in fucking Star Trek The
Next Generation, at least this one's been given
a bit of power. She's actually using her Betazoid
powers and going, you know what, this is what
I have. And they're making use of it, not just
walking on the bridge going, Captain, I feel
that everyone's feeling anxious at the moment.
Yes, because we're under attack, Deanna. I think
we all know this one already. No one's going
to be happy. Now, interestingly, it only got
6 .6 on IMDb, but that's the highest rated episode
so far. I'm not looking forward to the next episode.
4 .5 on IMDb, the worst rated one. And IMDb has
hated all of them. So, interesting. But again,
I mean... I mean, whilst I think their scores
are low, their scores are tracking scale wise
with what I think as well. I think that was probably
one of the better episodes of it. I actually
really liked the episode. Yeah. So, but as we've
already said, you know, these kind of things
don't really matter to us anyway, but yeah, it's,
I don't think this, as we've said already, I
don't think a Starfleet Academy is going to.
probably have more than two seasons no it's not
gonna rock i don't hate it i'm i'm actually not
even secret i'm enjoying it i am enjoying it
um i love the little bits they put in not too
sure about the constant little jokes that they
throw in with the announcer in the college whenever
you kind of you get a new day it's just some
sort of boy pa saying something silly and it's
like It doesn't quite fit. Yeah, but the announcer's
played by Stephen Colbert. That's why. So he's
getting his, you know, they've paid for this
guy. Fair enough. And the thing is, you're saying
that, I don't actually think I even notice it.
Every time I see he's in an episode, I'm like,
who is he again? To the fact that I'm completely
oblivious to this voiceover that he's doing.
Maybe because I don't recognise his voice or
that it just doesn't resonate with me even remotely
to be annoyed with it. Or enjoy it at all. I'll
listen out for it in the next episode. I'll purposely
try and listen out for it and see if I notice
it. Yeah, no, fair enough. Because is he the
narrator? No, it literally seems to be. So you
know how in a shopping mall, let's say, or a
train station, you've got that PA voice that
says what's going on or this is coming up. Yeah,
that's him, yeah. And it's always comedic. It's
always something silly. Oh, okay. Well. So yeah,
keep an ear out and you will pick up on them.
A few things I did really like on this. So Nusbracker
says what his full name is. Nustifer. Nustifer.
Which I just thought was stupid but quite enjoyed.
What I would love to know what he meant by is
when he turns up and he sees Nala and he sees
the Admiral there as well. I believe his terms
is I'm wanked, spanked and something else ready
to go. It's like, okay. Not quite sure that means
the same thing in American as it does to the
UK. Yeah, maybe not. And also the trivia -wise,
and I did go back and re -watch this just to
make sure, Miyazaki, which is the ship that they're
on, is a redress of the Enterprise Bridge from
Strange New Worlds. Oh, so using the same set.
Same set, which has been a tradition in Paramount
and Star Trek. But to be fair, it makes sense.
If you actually think about it logically, not
just from a production standpoint, making ships
yeah if you they would be of a standard if you
look at some of the uh original series films
they are filmed using next generation ship areas
so the corridors are often the next generation
corridor the bridge is the battle bridge i think
on one of them from the enterprise d which we
only see once or twice in the next generation
so yeah it i thought it was a good episode there
were some good moments in it I'm looking forward
to seeing where they go with it. I'm hoping they
don't just drop it as some sort of, oh, we've
taken care of it and suddenly it goes off on
a whole different arc. I want that to be the
main focus now is hunting down Bracca and getting
him to deal with this. I'm going to say this
now and I'm going to call another thing. He says
there is a present on its way for Nala in that
final hologram transmission he sends her and
it's going to turn up with a red bow on it. And
you won't know what hit you. It's Caleb's mother.
He is looking at any way to take away Caleb from
her again. Just like she's lost her son. She's
basically building this kind of attempt to reform
having another son through Caleb. And I reckon
the mother's been programmed or something like
that. And she's going to turn up. It'll be her
in some way. Yeah. And it'll be a... A conclusion
to the series where Caleb needs to make a decision.
Does he go with his mother or does he stay with
Nala and Starfleet? And that's how I think the
series is going to end. It'd be her, but she'd
have been Stockholm Syndrome'd into loving Bracca
in some way. Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah, she'll
be Bracca's wife or something. Yeah, it'd be
something like that. Someone here, they do like
plot holes and stuff. It says here, Bracca says
the hills are alive with the sound of murder.
paraphrasing The Sound of Music, 1965, but it
strains credulity that an alien pirate would
know a song from Earth film that is over 1 ,200
years old, let alone be familiar enough with
it to be making jokes at the top of his head.
That's very true. I mean, it's obviously for
our benefit, but yeah, I mean, if you care that
much. Yeah, but if you're going to care that
much, then you're never going to enjoy anything
in fiction. I know, exactly. Well, that's Star
Trek fans for you. What then? What have you been
up to? Oh, what have I been up to? I've watched,
as I say, Strange New Worlds. Now, I did watch
a new film. You watched Strange New Worlds? Not
Strange New Worlds. Strange Days, sorry, is the
film. Yeah. And watched... Not strange. Academy.
Academy, thank you. We've started watching Wednesday
with our oldest. Oh, okay. You're letting her
know what you did say. Well, it's a 12 certificate.
Yeah. So we're sitting through it with her now.
She's 12. I think, yep, we're on episode three
now. I mean, it's okay. I wouldn't say I absolutely
care about it. So if Gem and Kay would suddenly
watch an episode without me. You wouldn't be
bothered. I wouldn't be upset. I'd like to know
what happened, but there's not a part of me actively
saying I absolutely need to be there for it.
So I've enjoyed it, but... I like Wednesday,
but yeah. I mean, there's a few things in it
that I don't like. And again, Gem will give you
her feedback at some point, no doubt. But Zeta
-Jones, for example, just doesn't feel like Morticia.
In fact, the entire portrayal that we've had
of Gomez and... morticia up to episode three
it's very minimal but having grown up with the
90s version of morticia and gomez they are so
ingrained in me and they felt so perfect even
though they don't match that of the newspaper
um strips that they originally came from burton
did just again especially with morticia tim burton
and i don't know if you you notice this or if
you know this but in both adams family films
that burton did Morticia, the only time you ever
see her, she has a strip of light across her
eyes. Yeah, yeah, that's the way she's filmed,
yeah. And it's just perfect. And the way she
just portrays and just... It's like an elegance
to her, isn't it? It's just full... Whereas Zeta
-Jones just kind of felt like... As much as a
good actress as she is, I felt she was very flat.
No, okay, so give it a chance. It really is Wednesday,
season one. It's all about her. Everyone else
is a bit character, in my opinion. Season two,
It's Adam's family. Right, okay. I'd say season
two is way more Adam's family than it is Wednesday.
Gotcha. They're all in it. Yeah. You know, Pugsley's
in it. You know, mum and dad are in it loads.
It's, you get, yeah, I liked her, but I fancy
Catherine Zeta -Jones, what can I say? Brandon's
not making a comment. I'm surprised you don't.
What was she in? It wasn't All Great, She's Great
and Small, was it? Darling Birds of May. That
was it, Darling Birds of May, yeah. I used to
watch that on my nans. I always remember them
having their roast dinners in the bathtub. I
always used to just find that hilarious. The
mum and dad eating their roast dinners in the
bathtub. I've never seen it. I'm pretty sure
every episode ended with the mum and dad in the
bubble bath. Because it was Del Boy, wasn't it?
It was David Jason. David Jason and his... farmer
wife in the bathtub loads of bubbles do you remember
those things used to go across the bathtubs yeah
that with plates on having a roast dinner like
a full -on chicken and stuff it always used to
look incredibly nice i've got to say yeah so
yeah so we've started wednesday uh been playing
art graders after buying it after seeing you
guys stream it i felt like i just had to had
to play it really enjoying it chose the wrong
time to start playing it obviously because now
i understand about this whole expedition thing
that goes on still don't really fully understand
it but i did a reset signed up yeah Nothing really
makes clear about what the reset is and whether
it's going to apply to you. And that's what started
freaking me out. It hasn't applied to me. It
doesn't apply to anyone unless they've signed
up to be part of the expedition. And you've got
to be level 20 minimum to sign up for it. I think
it's like when you prestige in Call of Duty,
my very minimal understanding of it is that you
get to keep all your blueprints and stuff. Oh
no, so you lose all of that. After you've kept
your blueprints. I don't think so. I think basically
you lose almost everything except for... There's
something that does get permanented to your character
as a payment for it. Things that don't really
matter to actually the game you keep, but things
that you could use actually in -game disappear.
So I think your weapons, your blueprints, your
stash, your room gets reset, all of that. But
basically the payment of it is that you get something
that you can't get anywhere else. Yeah, and there
was something that you get. I mean, if I reset,
we'd be losing anything. This is it. But the
point is, because that reset was due, apparently,
if you read up and look at all the videos that
people have said, the reason there's so many
people just going on PvE at this point, so PvP
rather than player versus enemy, is because they've
got nothing to lose. They're just taking all
their good weapons, they're going out and they're
just being dicks because they know that when
it resets, they're all gone. They can't keep
hold of them. So that's why we were having loads
of PvP encounters at the end of that encounter.
That's why they said PvP tends to go up around
a reset time because they've just got to use
the weapon. They don't really have a... They
don't care at that point. They don't really care
at that point. They're just getting rid of it.
Player versus environment. People are getting
fucked over. So I've enjoyed every single time
I've played it except when I played it on my
own yesterday. It's the only time I haven't enjoyed
it. So I did six rounds. Yeah. The first four.
I died. So the first one, I lost my reasonably
okay weapons, a really nice pistol I really liked
and stuff, lost that. And it's like, but I felt
I lost because it just felt really difficult
last night. I just was constantly getting bombarded
by the robots. Like out of nowhere, I have four
and a flamethrower one on me. Out of nowhere.
Not like I couldn't hear them before because
I'm a bit kind of nervous. I look out and have
a look around, but like we do together. Nothing
there. As soon as I'm in the middle of nowhere,
flames, things, I'm dead. I was like, okay. And
by the time, and because I kept trying to get
to that bit that you said, and I kept failing
it. Yeah. I have to watch the video. There must
be a particular place you have to stand to drop
off. I'm getting that wrong, I think. It's just
to the right of the middle. If you turn your
back to it and take a step right from the middle,
if you step back, you can actually then see the
ledge below. Well, I think I'm at a point where
I'm giving up doing that because I, basically
that's one of the reasons i died because i fell
off i used all of my bandages and then i just
got one shot by an arc and died yeah so that
was the second time i died and then the other
two again it felt cheap i'd collected loads of
stuff i was happy i had a blueprint on one of
them and i'm running back and i had a golden
epic stock but i put that in my safe pocket one
shot by an arc going up to the fucking exit yeah
it's like oh for god's sake and after the fourth
time i was like sod this i was so angry at it
and then i was like you know what after dying
i thought i mean unlocked a new level gave me
new quests i went you know what i'm just gonna
go here all i have to do is go there and it's
part of the quest so i did it did it once and
took some stuff great had a couple of nice interactions
with people yes hello and stuff great now what
okay the next the next part of the mission i
have to just search three robots i must have
seen 20 robots when i'd like dead cyborgs on
the ground so i'll just go back exactly where
it was when they weren't there right so i spent
20 minutes running around good and there's a
there's a it's like a big factory so it's all
inside apart from this big long tube that's open
to the world in the middle and it had one of
the big walkers and loads of the flying ones
around it i was like oh god i'm not coming out
here and i walked back in found the robots i
was like okay i've got like 10 minutes left went
out and i was just carnage was going on so went
out there and there was five people just fighting
it so i went and i just pot shot at it, got myself
some experience, they blew it up, had some conversations,
somebody was crawling around going, he must have
been roleplaying, he was like, excuse me, please,
sir, Raider, please, sir, have you got any deepers
on now? I'm sorry, dude. No one had one. He's
like, okay, never mind there, never mind. And
he's crawling down to where the exit was. That's
probably a streamer then, isn't it? Let's face
it. It was quite fun. So I had, after having
four terrible games, to the point where I wanted
to turn it off, I then had two quite nice yeah
i feel like they're kind of in this place that
hell divers got to where they screwed it up for
one player kind of raids hell divers went from
this brilliant yeah you could sit down you could
spend half an hour do a mission on your own even
heading towards hard you could do a mission on
your own it was a push but as long as you didn't
mind just running not doing the extras but just
doing the two main mission points and then getting
the fuck out of there You could. And then they
rolled out that patch and it was impossible.
And then it was even more impossible if you had
more of you. And it feels like Ark is kind of
maybe towards that where if you're on your own,
the odds are just as bad for you if there were
four of you. Yeah. Except they're all aimed at
you now. Well, I'm just wondering if you queue
up as a single, if you just get put in matches
with other people that have queued as singles.
Because I didn't, every time I found someone,
apart from that time where everyone was shooting
at a thing, I didn't see anyone going around
in groups. It was all single interactions with
single people. When I've gone around with you,
I always seem to see people in pairs. But every
time I've been around with you, that's when I
noticed that there's, I'm not saying you're the
jinx. I found the assholes. I've not had a bad
human interaction on my own. Again, it might
be a leveling thing. It might just be that. people
have started playing it and they're at the same
level i am and that's what we're getting matched
i honestly don't know uh but i am looking forward
to doing a bit more teamwork on it whether it's
just myself and you or whether we get chris and
mark involved as well we do a foursome on it
um but no i've been enjoying art raiders and
then finally the other thing i've done is uh
i watched a film called argyle which i've kept
mean meaning to watch for a while so it's directed
by, I want to tell you, Matthew Vaughan. Matthew
Vaughan's the one that basically, and I've just,
why I clicked back once I'd got that, drives
me mad when I do dumbass things like that. So
I'm now just going to have to find where it went.
Matthew Vaughan, so he has directed, he's known
for, and being producer of, Kick -Ass, X -Men
First Class, Stardust, Kingsman, or in fact,
all the Kingsman films, Silent Night, Bloodshot.
I quite enjoyed Bloodshot, but it is a terrible
film. The Vin Diesel Bloodshot. Yeah, I remember
it. I had fun with it, if I'm honest. I enjoyed
it as a fun... I can't remember thinking it was
okay. It's not a cracking film, but it's a bit
of fun. He's got the... um little robots yeah
nanites in him he dies they resurrect him they
wipe his memory every time blah blah blah um
so that's the director and especially the kingsman
i've got a very soft spot i like the first i've
not seen the third one which is meant to be the
kind of the world war ii that one i haven't seen
but the first two really enjoyed those arg so
think argyle is kingsman but specifically for
apple because it's only on apple tv the film
oh he's let himself go a little bit on it it
feels like i quite like the idea of it but it
goes on for a bit too long it's basically a kingsman
-esque spy film without the people that you'd
normally expect in it so not the same actors
no no well samuel l jackson's in it still uh
so you've got bryce dallas howard who you may
know from things like Jurassic World. She's Ron
Howard's daughter, the ginger -haired one. You've
got Henry Cavill for a very small amount of it.
Sam Rockwell, amazing actor. You've got Samuel
L. Jackson. Who else is in it, actually? Sam
Rockwell, who I'm thinking of, Green Marl. Yeah.
Yeah. Moon. All of those. Phenomenal. He plays
a good mental guy. Yeah. Dua Lipa's in it. Dua
Lipa's in it. Richard E. Grant's in it. John
Senner's in it. You've sold me Dua Lipa's in
it. But there's some big names in it. And I mean,
do you want to know? Basically, the story of
it is, is Bryce Dallas Howard's character is
a writer. She's writing all these stories. She
then gets kind of kidnapped by Sam Rockwell,
who explains that her story somehow. are exactly
what a bad agency has actually done and is following,
and basically she's managing to predict what
they're going to do next. Okay, fun. That's interesting.
It then turns out... Do you want me to spoil
it for you? Maybe not, because I might watch
it. No, okay. It's worth watching. You won't
see some of the twists coming. It does go on
for too long. What I do want you to do, though,
is press pause for a moment. I'm going to show
you two scenes. um one from argyle and one from
the transporter and i want to tell you see which
one did it best and we're back in the room so
what i just showed rob there were two scenes
one from argyle and one from the transporter
years apart in films and the transporter is the
first time i'd kind of seen an oil scene fight
so he tipped over the oil on the floor of the
uh garage he's having a fight in covers himself
in oil becomes a slip and slide and then Goes
over to a bike, stomps the metal pedals off,
which, let's face it, if you've ever been on
a bike and you've had one of those pedals hit
you in the shin, you know exactly what teeth
are on them for the grip. He's kicking it in
the face with them. So it kind of makes sense.
And then he uses that to get the grip in the
oil and kicks the shit out of everyone. Then
we have Argyle, which the floor is already flooded
with oil. They've been told we can't shoot a
gun because it'll all go up in flames, blah,
blah, blah. not sure if that's too believable
to be honest uh she stomps on two sharp knives
and turns them into ice skates and straight away
in my head i'm thinking transporter everything
he did in that is believable even to the point
where he kicks himself off someone using kind
of physics the equal reaction to what you'd act
to an action where he pushes off and then gets
pushed backwards is all real Then you've got
her doing ice skating on crude oil on concrete
floor. So basically those knives, they're not
going to glide across the top of the oil like
ice. They're going to hit that concrete and she's
just going to go smash face first. You know the
Wayans brothers and they make like scary movie.
Yeah. Do they make the superhero movie and stuff
like that as well? Certainly the films in there
kind of take. It's the same. Yeah, I could see
people taking the mick out of that and they stamp
on the knives and the knives go through their
feet. That's it. I mean, as much as I enjoyed
Argyle, there were just a couple of bits I thought
Kingsman did it better. They kept it within the
realms of fantasy while... That was silly. Yeah,
the Argyle one was just over -the -top silly.
Whereas there's bits in Kingsman which are over
-the -top silly, but you still watch it and go,
well, it kind of happened when all the guards'
heads are exploding and puffs of coloured smoke.
Just genius, absolutely cracking scene. But when
you pair where obviously they got the inspiration
for that oil scene in Argyle from something like
the transporter, the transporter, all of it felt
like it could be an absolutely real scenario
that he's doing. The Argyle just feels so stupid
in comparison. Not saying it's not worth watching.
It is worth watching. It's just, yeah, I just
felt it's very weird. But yeah, that's it. Otherwise,
I don't think I've watched anything else. It's
just been YouTube otherwise. Oh, well, very good.
What have you been up to? Oh, creators, obviously,
as we said already. More Tainted Grail. I kind
of got a little bit ahead from where I was before.
I made a decision of how I was going to progress
the story. And now I'm fighting a boss, which
is a forced battle I've got myself into. I am
nowhere near equipped enough to kill him. He's
battering. I can't even get a quarter of his
health off and he's just absolutely assaulting
me. So I think I'm going to have to kind of,
when I died, the checkpoint is outside the rooms.
I might have to go off and kind of figure out
how I'm going to do it. Cause what I tend to
do, the way I play my. Where I play is I'm a
battle mage and I like to summon stuff. So then
the people can fight what I've summoned and then
I'll attack them with either of my quite powerful
sword or I might use my spells. But he's killing
all of my summons in like two hits. So I can't
spawn them quick enough to damage him enough.
And he's like putting some kind of like poison
debuff on me. So I'm kind of, you know, doing
my own health as well. I'm not quite understanding
how he's doing it. So I only did once and I got
killed. So that's what I'm working on with that.
Hytale, play more Hytale. Yeah, I haven't logged
on to the server for a while, actually. I do
need to jump back in there. I'm at a point now
I'm waiting. There's two updates on pre -release
and I'm going to wait now until they're both
out because they fixed some bugs that I'm having,
like with the animals and things like that. Like
I made like a chicken coop for us chickens, but
they won't lay eggs. Right, gotcha. Because the
bug is tamed chickens won't lay eggs in their
coop. That's the bug. He's fixed it. Which is
what they're meant to do. But that's two pre
-releases ahead of... And we don't want to touch
the pre -releases. And we're not going to do
that. And we've got one to come out of pre -release
before that one even comes out. And I maxed out
the farming thing. I have a little confession.
I cheated a bit to get some of the petals. We
had to get 300 of... all three of the really
hard petals and the red ones you can only get
in the bone area yeah and the flowers only grow
on the bones high up yep so i went you know what
i don't care i got all the others legitimately
because like you can grow the plants right that's
great that's a really good idea you use you use
the crystal shards so use a blue crystal shards
to grow the azure kelp The yellow ones to grow
the thunder flowers and the red shards to grow
the blood flowers. You can only grow the azure
petals when you're at level 9. You need them
to get to level 9. That's fucking stupid. And
the same with the red ones and the yellow ones.
You need them to get to level 10. You can't grow
them. till you're level 10 and why would you
want them at that point and it's also let's face
it it's not also the fact that we've not done
exploration so it's not like we're not just finding
it our map is already at its limit so although
there's still a whole world we and i know it's
meant to be technically infinite or whatever
but the mapping add -ons we've got give you an
idea of how much we've explored because i could
be at where i've built this weird castle thing
yeah And I can't see any of you guys on the map
because you're that far away. We have explored
this giant expanse that the map just doesn't
actually work properly between all of us at this
point because there's too much of a gap. So it's
not like we've not done the exploration. So that's
the, again, that's in that second previous update,
is that chunks that aren't being loaded will
still run. So at the moment, if you put stuff
in the furnace on our base one and go to your
base, it'll stop. It won't now. It will continue
and farm and all this stuff will continue on
the other side of the map. So again, that's a
fix in it. And that's why I gave our server lots
of memory. Yeah. So that's one thing. Because
I think that if you... The way it should... I
know it's all alphas. I think they will probably
change it. If I need blue petals to turn it to
level 8, I should unlock the plant at level 7.
And then it will encourage me to do more farming.
Yes. Because... Then I do more farming. But you
only get the seed blueprint by finding the plant
and breaking enough of them down. So next time
you're on your seat, I've got loads of the seeds
for everyone to learn how to make them. But that's
pointless. Why would I want a level 10 recipe
when I'm only at level 8 on the thing? And I
need those level 10 flowers to make it. That's
broken there, which is why I thought after I
did all the blues and yellows all legitimately,
because the yellows are just on top of mountains
and blues are in the blue areas. Easy. It took
me a couple of evenings to get 300 worth. The
red ones, impossible to do. Impossible to do
without just putting yourself into creative mode
of flying over to the ones. We'd found all the
areas, so we didn't go and cheat in the way that...
I went to areas that you hadn't already, because
you had already found them, because I could see
them on the map. Yeah, it's that bottom south
bone area I'd found. You're right, and it feels,
at the moment, and I'm sure it is because it's
pre -alpha, obviously, it feels like you're being
cheated a little bit as well, because you climb
up to these high spots to get these bloody things.
You make one slip. And there's a really high
chance you're going to kill yourself as well,
which is really not on. But obviously things
will change. What I'm currently thinking is,
as much as I'm having fun with our server and
whatever, I do think that when it finally gets
to either beta or it gets to release, that world
kind of gets archived and we start again from
scratch and we say, right, we've learned what
we need to do. Yeah, I think we would do that.
I think as soon as it goes, okay, let's just
say, for example, on Monday, version one. This
is the retail game. It's now on Steam. This is
what we want everyone to be playing. That is
when I'd be like, let's make a new server. Let's
just start again now. We all know what we're
doing. Yeah, and I say archive it or just have
it as a separate thing just so we can go, you
know, maybe I'll save all the prefabs so we can
have the houses and stuff that we can call back
at a later date. But start again if we're still
into it at that point. I mean, I reckon it's
over a year away. I reckon it's over. year away
and the game is good and i think to be fair it's
got the ability to have the same longevity that
minecraft does yeah it's just it needs to get
to that release candidate phase so that we can
sit down and not get to the point of there's
nothing more for us to do now until an update
comes because that's where we've got to a couple
of times now yeah we've built a pub we've built
a house we've done mining we've got all of this
stuff we've maxed out the benches what else is
there to do? There's no end point, is there?
So there's no end to Dragonite Minecraft. No,
I mean, you guys haven't found it yet, but in
the area that's next to the bone place, you see
all the flying bugs? Yeah, they're a pain in
the ass. There's termite hounds, and they're
dungeons. And if you go all the way to the bottom,
I sent you photos, don't I? There's a queen at
the bottom. But the queen isn't finished, didn't
fight me back. So all the mobs did. but she was
just there and gave me like one heavy leather.
Yeah. It wasn't anything cool for killing. And
it's like the Jurassic world you found in South.
I haven't explored it yet, which is phenomenal,
but it, yeah, it just still all feels so unfinished,
which is understandable. It's a pre -release,
but it does need to start moving along a bit.
I think if it's going to keep people's interest,
because this is the danger now. A lot of games
are coming out similar ilk, like the pirate game
you found. Oh, yeah. And all of these things.
And they're using a similar mechanic. And people
are going to go, well, if that's accelerating
past this, I could always turn to being a bit
of a pirate for a little while. I've got to tell
you, if anyone out there is looking for something
to play, it costs you no money. Windrose. This
is the pirate game. If you ever played Assassin's
Creed Black Flag. which I did, which was pretty
much the first Assassin's Creed game I'd ever
played, that game consumed me. I loved everything
about it. I absolutely loved that. And I've been
chasing that pirate game since. And then Ubisoft
was like, oh yeah, we're going to make a game
based just on the pirate ship stuff. And it took
them years. You need to go back and play Sid
Meier's Pirates. Skull and Bones is what it was.
And it was flipping dreadful. everyone hated
it took them too long and then all of a sudden
one guy on his own um for steam next fest where
all they they kind of once they release all these
demos he released a demo of his game called winrose
and it is the game everyone's wanted so it's
a mixture of uh if anyone's ever played valheim
i think i've spoken about it on here briefly
that's a very doesn't hold your hand very difficult
survival game And what else can I compare it
to? One that does hold your hand. I don't know.
I can't think of what's on my head. But it's
a survival game. So the standard chop wood, get
your oars and stuff, build your houses. You know,
you need this many plant fibers to make walls,
you know, and it kind of gives you the thing.
You move around, you spin around. You can make
these really cool, nice looking buildings and
stuff. And then you've got these. Work benches,
some of them have to be inside a building and
you have to, you get like comfort points, which
is what Valheim did. So they encouraged you to
build nice looking houses with beds and soft
finishing stuff because they gave you comfort
points, which then gave you better resting, which
then meant you had higher stamina, regenerate,
all kinds of stuff. So it's got all that, but
you're a pirate and you had a pirate ship, Blackbeard
took over your ship, stranded you on a desert
island, pretty standard stuff. In the demo, you
get to go all the way up to getting your own
massive ship again and a crew of eight pirates
that you have to save. And then you're out on
the high seas shooting at other ships. And you
can turn them on to do sea shanties and stuff.
I had so much fun. I played it for a week. As
soon as you destroy your first Blackbeard ship,
you get a message come up saying that's the demo.
You can't go any further than that. But then...
you get a little bit of a trade and stuff and
it boots you back in the game and now you can
just there's only three islands so it's free
roam between yeah now it's three free roam they
keep spawning more ships if you want to go do
battles you can like there's still some things
i haven't found like there's hidden resources
i don't know if they're in the game or not but
it you get like a checklist of things you haven't
found like particular enemies particularly fruit
whatever um and yeah you can just do your house
up a bit more just have a bit of fun just explore
excuse me yeah great i i am definitely going
to be playing that when it comes out so i've
just literally been over the past few days thinking
about kind of things like hightail minecraft
and as you say windrose one thing i would love
someone to try and do and this may be a little
bit retro kind of feeling but You know, all these
games that we've talked about tonight so far
have had that kind of Minecraft design. They've
got the inventory in front of you as, let's say,
an eight -box selection screen or whatever it
is. You've got your health, your whatever. I
would love them to do it in slightly different
graphics. But imagine a game like that. It could
do it as a pirate. It could do it in space. It
could do it whatever, really. But in the same
inventory style, the same as cult of lamb so
you have your carrots and you move them around
but you're moving them around in that kind of
semi 3d 2d top down sort of view and that's how
you're doing it but then add in a little bit
more like command and conquer so when you go
back to your place then you could choose buildings
to build with it then you choose your your truth
so go for a little bit of command and conquer
sort of style populous civilization style building
bit where you're building your area so you're
not just rather than having the whole block building
side of it you're using the the same mechanic
going on a cut down tree oh look that's in my
inventory now i've got that much tree to use
blah blah blah but then also kind of integrating
this top down view rather than this whole 3d
third person or first person view instead so
um peter molyneux yeah Black and White Fable.
He's making a game nearly what you're asking
for. So it's a god game, black and white -esque.
You have a floating hand, you've got your villagers,
you're building them, telling them to go off
and chop. But you can then zoom all the way down,
take over one of them and be that person in the
world and fight them as a hero when you're getting
attacked by other... places but you see that
that but i want the survival i want yeah same
survival based game that minecraft hightail windrose
has that's what i want i don't want it to be
i want it to be that infinite generated world
still i want it still to be random but i quite
like the idea that it's kind of this top down
version of it instead where you can build your
little village and all of that and then off you
go i wonder if there is stuff like that already
that we just don't know about possibly possibly
yeah because they've got quite a lot of those
kind of village and town sims but i don't know
of them being able to but you're right but they
are more to be simulations yeah and i don't get
me wrong sim city is one of my favorite games
all time especially sim city classic on 95 and
3 .1 but yeah just kind of a minecraft -esque
game that is top down but still survival i think
could be quite a lot of fun Right, should we
start talking about strange days? Yeah, we better
do. Accessing library computer data. 1995. With
Ralph Fiennes and Angela Bassett. Yes, Angela
Bassett. She's lovely, isn't she? I was going
to start rubbing my knees. Well, let me read.
So first of all, Strange Days. Neither of us
had heard it. 1995. Directed by Catherine Bigelow
and written by James Cameron. Yes, I noticed
that. Which explained quite a lot. And Jay Cox.
Also explains quite a lot. Strange Days is a
cyberpunk thriller set in the last days of 1999
in Los Angeles centered around illegal recordings
of other people's experiences via a device called
Squid. uh that's the basis of the film and the
long and the short of it is ralph fein's character
is involved in illegal distribution of people
he's like a drug dealer yeah in memories precisely
um he's becoming paranoid bad things are happening
the world is kind of falling down around them
coming up to the millennium everyone's scared
of the millennium uh And it turns out his paranoia
may have turned out to be somewhat genuine. Yeah,
not a paranoia. It's an odd film. It is a very
odd film, and it failed. If you read up on it,
it failed when it was released, but it's slowly
becoming more of a cult classic because, dare
I say, back in 95, the world was not as jaded
as it is now. And when you compare the storyline,
which we'll talk about, no doubt, in a minute,
to what's going on especially in the world in
the past let's say six years alone jesus it mirrors
it almost perfectly yeah one of the things i
want to say about it one of the reasons i liked
it is also one of the reasons i didn't like it
yeah i'm very on the fence about this but there's
a there's a very big reason why i don't like
it which i'll get to later but the the kind of
world building and the aesthetics of it It's
very good. It's all very believable. Yes. You
can completely believe that this thing would
exist in its environment, and they've done a
very good job, shot to shot, of making it all
very believable. But that's also why I don't
like it, because it's so fucking busy. There's
so much crammed into every single shot to make
you believe that that is there, that it's too
much for me. But it then throws me out of it
again because I'm like, there's too much dystopia
in this five seconds. There's too many things
on that table. The set designer must have had
the most budget out of everyone on the film because
there's so much, and they've done a very good
job with it, but I think he went too far. And
that Paul, whilst the kind of story and all the
bits about it is... ringing me in because it's
all very believable for a 1995 film I think it's
more believable now than it would have been in
1995 I then kind of bounce back again like I've
just bounced off a trampoline because I'm now
getting thrown back because it's just too much
too much so I get what you're saying and I think
the biggest issue that myself and Jem had on
this because we sat down and watched it together
length as well yeah it was You could have cut
a good 30 minutes of the beginning. You did not
need all the exposition that was going on to
get the idea of what was going on. It was too
up its own arse about trying to explain everything
away. We didn't need the constant whining about
his ex -girlfriend. That was five minutes of
exposition, max required, not the... constant
throwbacks that he's got cassettes of her memories
laying about that he's constantly whinging away
it just wasn't required she didn't live up to
his hype either no but that's possibly the idea
of the film though so i i get what you're saying
yeah i think but the idea is he's relieving these
perfect memories of someone who is imperfect
yeah and i i agree i think you're absolutely
right which is why i'm saying she didn't live
up to the hype of it when you actually see her
as like that memory it is it a real memory? Is
it as beautiful as he has it recorded? So to
explain the whole film to someone who hasn't
seen it, the best way is to actually look at
it in modern terms. So although in the film we
have something called a squid, which they put
on under a hairpiece, and as long as it's touching
the skull... it records whatever the person has
seen to a little digital recorder box, which
uses mini discs, by the way. Love mini discs.
Greatest, greatest, greatest media, I think,
because it just looks cool anyway. And it records
it to mini disc. And you're seeing what's seeing
through their eyes. To kind of relate that to
real life, imagine you're wearing a VR headset
watching someone's day in their life through,
let's say... ray -ban, meta -ray -ban, so you're
watching literally eye -level footage as they're
looking around. They move their head around.
It's POV, isn't it? Yeah, you're seeing full
-on POV from someone's glasses that are recording.
You're feeling it too, that's the difference.
That's the difference, yeah. The technology right
now exists for the visual side. The feeling is
the bit that makes it more like the drugs. You're
not only experiencing this, and this is why...
as much as the exposition at the beginning isn't
required, you still need that robbery scene at
the beginning. Because the idea is that, yeah,
he's really upset by the fact he's been shown
this video of a robbery where people have been
murdered for no reason. Yeah, yeah. But he gets
the idea of it because it's exhilarating and
he's feeling the heart rate of the person doing
it. And that was actually, I can imagine, put
off a lot of people now. What is your stance
on shaky cam films? I don't really, a lot of
the time I'll get motion sick from that kind
of stuff. Cloverfield I really struggled with.
I enjoy Cloverfield, but I cannot stand the fact
it's done in shaky cam. And the very first scene
of this film we see is this robbery and this
frantic robbery going on. So the footage is shaky.
And I just remember we got halfway through that
scene and me and Joe was like. If it's all going
to be like this, I don't think I can watch this.
But what was clever is not every time you see
someone's vision, it's like that. And what made
it clever was what you're watching, this first
scene is frantic. It's manic. It's crazy. And
that's why the camera is shaking about. It's
not just because it's an action. It's because
you're feeling this whole frantic, powerful energy
this person has. And that's how they're conveying
it. Because then when you get the happy memories
he's got, even when he falls over on the skates,
it's all nice, smooth camera. The scene, which
I know we'll end up talking about later, which
is horrendously brutal. it's a cold, calculated
murderer. So everything is slow and it's steady.
So actually, there's only one part of that whole
shaky cam in that film that made me think, am
I going to avoid this? And I do think if you've
got an aversion to shaky cam, you're going to
see that first bit in the scene and think, if
this is what this film's about and this is what
it's going to be, I can't watch this and they
might turn it off. Don't, because it gets far
better. And I've got to say, the filming's phenomenal.
So it was filmed using an early version of Steadicam
with the camera set at eye height. And there's
several scenes which I openly said out loud,
I'm blown away with how clever this has been
done. It must have been done with handoffs and
everything like that. So that initial scene of
the robbery has been done. There's about six
or seven handoffs in it where the camera is just,
they get to a dark area. It's not stopped filming.
They go through the dark area. And during that
dark scene, the camera's been handed to the next
stunt actor who's then carrying it. And when
he falls off the roof, that's another stunt act.
So the camera gets handed to him. as he's running
to jump and you get that beautiful motion and
the rape scene in it where he goes in that room
climbs over the balcony and round it's all done
in one shot and wow does it look good as much
as it's a disturbing scene and i will come to
that yeah i mean we might as well talk about
it now since you've already touched it i really
struggled because it happens two occasions in
this film you see it so what you see is the point
of the person you haven't seen at the point of
view and it's a really fuck not only is rape
terrible anyway but a fucked up way to kill someone
so you see the murderer outside of everything
else just to break it down but you see from his
point of view He's raping somebody. But what
makes it worse is he puts the thing on them so
they see themselves being raped. And feeling
what he's feeling. So you're trying to get your
head ready. You are looking at yourself being
raped while feeling the feelings of the rapist.
So you're feeling the feelings of the rapist
while feeling your own fear and seeing yourself
getting raped and strangled to death at the same
time. I really fucking struggled with it. Because
I was not expecting it. We weren't. I absolutely
detest that stuff in films. You can say whether
there's a place for it in films or not. I absolutely
hate it. And it happens twice in the film that
I had to look away the first time. I didn't the
second time because I was like, it's kind of,
you know, I've been hit by it the first time.
So when it happens, starts happening again the
second time, I'm like, okay, just get through
it and watch it. And I'm sorry, I might make
me sound like a wimp. It nearly ruined the entire
film for me because I hate it that much. No,
absolutely. It's such an emotive and powerful
scene, but it's just sheer evilness. And the
fact that someone came up with that is the most
disturbing. James Cameron, who wrote this, along
with James Cocker, whatever the name was, came
up with that idea. I know throughout history
there's been serial killers. psychotic murderers
who have made people watch horrible horrible
things either happen to their families or happen
to them this just you're right it felt like there's
an extra level of sadisticness to it to do that
to somebody and make them experience it at the
same like to just get your head around rape rape
full stop is bad enough especially when it's
put into a film But then to add that extra layer
of making them suffer through it twice in a different
way just felt like it wasn't needed. You could
have just had a pure rape scene there without
having to make the person that's being killed
off experience it in that way, which then in
turn makes everyone watch it think, oh my, and
I'm not sure it was required. When you see, because
then Ralph finds his character. experiences it
too because he puts the thing on his head and
doesn't he act it beautifully though because
the whole he is both in in the same scene at
the exact same time he is he is feeling uh disgust
and excess and arousal because he's feeling what
the murderer is feeling which is just uh i can't
i can't get the word out of my head just exhilaration
and just yeah then he's having the time of his
life and also his own feeling of it which is
absolute fear disgust hatred at the same time
and you can see it on his face yeah i mean he's
going in between this kind of yeah yeah i mean
ralph finds full stop is one of these actors
out there that is just truly, truly wonderful.
Whatever I've seen him in, often it's phenomenal.
Taking it to modern standards 28 years later
and the next one of that bone, whatever it was
called. Bone sample, it's called. Wow, what an
absolute masterpiece he plays within there. I
can't think of, oh, The Menu. I don't know if
you've ever seen it. He plays a chef and it's...
The actress that's got the weird eyes, and I
sound really bad saying that, but I can't think
of what her name is. Anna Taylor -Joy? I don't
know. Anyway, he plays a chef at a very luxurious
island where basically rich people go to eat,
but it turns out... Epstein Island? No. But it
turns out that everyone that's been bought there
has been bought there for a particular reason,
whether it's because they're cheap. And basically,
he kills off each person in there. And then Anna
Taylor -Joy's character is just like, I don't
want any of this shit, man. I just want a burger.
It's one of those films, and Strange Days, interestingly,
matches it in the same style. Whereas, and actually,
No Country for Old Men, which we've not finished
yet, but has the same feeling, which is... This
is dragging, but I don't care and I can't look
away. I know that this feels long, but it feels
like it should be anyway and I don't mind. Whereas
it's completely in... I can't think of a film
now off the top of my head, but what you know
in some films is this feels long and I am not
enjoying it. Whereas these three films, just
those three specifically... feel long and i love
it and i'm there for it and i'm not going to
turn it off i want to stay watching and strange
days as much as um it did drag um i also didn't
want to look away i did want to yeah no i sat
there and focus on that i wasn't doing anything
else in the meter i was focusing on it i want
to say there's a there's a very good A well -acted,
interesting scene, kind of near the end, where
Ralph finds he gets into a nightclub and he goes
up into some kind of security room. There's a
guy in there with loads of screens around. Oh,
that's a beautiful scene. And they do a trade,
don't they? And he gives him one. And then you
see this guy, you haven't seen him throughout
the film at all, watches, I think, he's running
on a beach. The point is, is when you first see
him in there, he's got no legs. He's below the
knee amputee. so yeah so and in the memory that
he gets he's running on a beach and a beautiful
woman is just running past and they have a slight
interaction and she continues and he's just in
absolute floods of tears yeah and then you get
the shot of him enjoying the moment and then
it's over and a sadness comes across his face
and you there's an emotion he's so beautifully
acted like It's so weird that I'm saying this
about this film. Is he sad or is he so happy
that he's just managed to have this feeling that
he's not had for so long? And it's such a small,
insignificant part of the film. But to just see
all these people are displayed as addicts and
everything throughout the whole film, except
this moment. You just see, actually, here's somebody
who just wants to experience a moment. Yeah,
a moment that he'll never have again. Exactly.
A moment he can never have, never have again.
And the way I felt it was, a sadness comes across
him when it's over. And I would say... And I
pitied him at the end of it. That's the feeling
it gave me. And it's such a tiny scene. Yeah.
But it's so important because Ralph finds up
to that point. You feel no sympathy for him because
you think, actually, he's just a bit of a prick.
You've just fucked over Mace, Angela Bassett's
character, with meeting up with a Japanese businessman.
You've just screwed her over and put her in a
bad mood. Everything you're doing is about you.
And then you suddenly get this one scene where
you actually get the idea that he's not all bad.
And that's when the character starts then expanding.
You start realising, okay, so he isn't just this...
prick this person peddling whatever he can he
has got something more to him and i feel without
that few seconds of a scene that may have been
the death of the character full stop yeah now
angela bassett's character we haven't talked
about as a mace she turns up about quarter of
the way in doesn't she yeah and she's just this
hard ass no shit taking fantastic female character
she's she's great in the whole film i loved it
i think she's like my favorite character in the
whole no absolutely she's got her her son at
home her ex -husband's in jail for what he did
um and yeah she basically bails him out every
time because as the story goes on you find out
he's the one that was looking after a kid when
her husband was caught was it dealing drugs or
whatever it was in the house yeah um and they've
got this affinity before over it and she kind
of feels like she owes him something and there's
obviously the emotions of yeah and and love going
on there that neither of them wants to really
admit to and it's yeah it's just an absolutely
wonderful role because she portrays it so brilliantly
she portrays this i'm a strong independent woman
but then also manages to portray i love this
man but then also the I'm not going to accept
that love because I need to look after my son
more than anything. So you've got mother, lover,
independent, all in one character. And she just
exudes every single part of it. What she is is
something that I've complained so much. Anyone
that's listened to all of these shows, she's
a well -written, well -acted female character
who... What, you mean she's not... blonde white
and screaming all the time as soon as something
goes bang she is she has been the character has
been treated like a lot of these people treat
the male characters like a fucking human you
know not just being used as this stamps and distress
if anything Ralph Fiennes is the damsel in distress.
Yes. You're bailing him out of the fucking time.
100%. She's constantly like, get your head out
of your fucking ass. Stop obsessing over this
woman. Because it does feel like his obsessions
with his ex is the reason why he's in the position
he's in. You know, he was a very well -respected
cop. Even his mate, who turns out to be the fucking
arse of the film, is even saying to him, you
used to be a cop. You know, now you're doing
this. You should be able to do better than this.
And obviously, Max obviously turns out to be
the bad guy, which it becomes pretty obvious
about the halfway mark that there's something
not right. And the funny thing is, so you said
earlier about them hiding the thing under their
wicks. That guy is bald and everything. Yeah.
He's bald in real life. And he had this wig.
And the whole time I was like, that's a fucking
shit wig. This guy's bald. And I kind of forgot
about it. And then when you get the reveal where
he pulls the wig off and he's actually the, he's
the murderer. And he's got the thing on his tube.
I was like, of course. I knew he was bald. I
didn't see that. For me, that was a mic drop
moment. I had a feeling he was the baddie because
it was just. you know just the kind of way it
was all setting up it felt like that it was probably
going to be someone like him you know he's always
around yeah but like that pulling the wig off
all right he didn't ralph fines pull the wig
off him or something i think it kind of falls
off when he throws it off doesn't it yeah it's
like oh of course it might for me penny drop
moment you know um and the classic scene of you
know the bad blue screen of him falling to his
death but that's all pretty classic for that
he's like yeah you know die yeah all those films
were doing that kind of stuff uh yeah i mean
yeah i think before we kind of talk about the
other the other bits we like i think the biggest
issue i think with this film for me um tonally
there's too much going on a bit like you said
at the very beginning about the environments
being too loaded what was this trying to be was
it trying to be cyberpunk was it being a noir
thriller was it being political was it romance
was it serial was it a mystery there's so much
going on that it needed just to kind of sit with
one of them but i kind of understand i can understand
why they didn't because if you'd start with just
the cyberpunk element it wouldn't have worked
where would you have gone with it you needed
to throw in something like the sexual assault
the murder into it well so the massive you know
we're completely bypassing the whole racial tension
of it as well because that's a huge part of it
but that's what i was just coming to that now
then the bit that i can understand why people
are when they discover it in recent years and
i've got it listed here the social the end bomb
that they they do right near the start Yeah.
The hard, hard end bomb. The social themes to
this then. 1995, let's think about it, there
were always issues. That's right, there's been
issues, we know that. But you've got police brutality,
you've got racial injustice, you've got civil
unrest, you've got systemic corruption, voyeuristic
consumption of violence. These are good notes
you've made here. Yeah, I've made a handful of
notes. Yeah, back in 95, they might have hit
hard then. Are they going to necessarily hit
harder now? And I think the answer is yes, which
is why discovering this film and watching it
now, there's a lot you can kind of say, I know
this is meant to be in the past, but fuck me,
it feels very, very current. I mean, when this
came out, I was only 10, so I wouldn't have understood
any of it. But it'd be interesting if I was a
40 -year -old man in 95 and watched this, and
also a 40 -year -old man now and watched it.
what i would think of it do i mean in both scenario
i'd love to hear it from somebody who was a grown
adult and how this film sat with them at that
time period compared to how it sits now like
what you're saying yeah i mean one of the other
things i think is is really fun about it 95 and
we get basically virtual reality We get body
cameras and surveillance footage. Yep. Live streamed
violence. What else have I got here? Social media,
but with real experiences pretty much going on.
And, oh, again, virtual reality I've put twice.
But, yeah, these were things at 95. Virtual reality
was limited to this giant big black pod with
a giant black headset that you saw a couple of
polygons in front of you and went, wow, I can
interact with that. Amazing. or Craig Charles
might shout a wooger at you with whatever his
show was called, and I can't remember what the
name of the show was now. But this literally
has got things that we now just take for granted.
Body -worn cameras. As I said earlier, Ray -Ban
Metas, capturing your day -to -day life, and
people are then just sticking it straight on
social media and looking, oh, look at this. theft
I saw in Kensington High Street someone stealing
from Tesco's or someone being beaten up and I've
just taken a step back and I'm filming on my
camera this film has predicted that that is exactly
what is happening and it's being sold to a market
of people that want to watch it and what do we
have we have TikTok we have YouTube and that's
same footage of these horrible things happening
just end up on there for people to consume yeah
it's a horrible horrible link to make back but
It predicted that. Yeah, the cyberpunk element
of it, when I... This isn't the era of cyberpunk
I like. So I like the further on. Like the game
cyberpunk, I like the full -on body mod cyberpunk.
Johnny Monomic. Yeah, that's the kind of cyberpunk
I like. So this is, for me, it's kind of like
the... The beginning stages of cyberpunk. I would
suggest this is nowhere near cyberpunk. That's
what they're classing it as, which is why I don't
really... Yeah, I think maybe I wouldn't class
it that. I think it's because they're just needing
to call it something. Yeah. Because I would call
cyberpunk body mods, cyber, you know. I would
have said for this to be cyberpunk, I would have
expected to have seen high -end laptops and...
telecommunication that wasn't just not using
old -fashioned cvs all of that i would have expected
to have seen a little bit maybe towards things
like blade runner well i'd say matrix is more
cyberpunk in that you know like he's got the
ports and he's but i know he's been put in by
the ai existence yeah those things are more more
it i think this felt like they've used the label
of cyberpunk when really it's certainly sci -fi
oh no it's science fiction but it's It's been
mislabeled as cyberpunk because that one thing
of the squid is not enough to call it cyberpunk,
in my opinion. So you're saying existence is
cyberpunk. Existence is, yeah, absolutely. Because
you've got that weird bio -modding. It's all
about a computer game. Squidgy thing you shove
in your... The thing you're having sex with.
The fuck pod. Yeah, exactly. That... Even then,
to an extent, I'm not sure you could strictly
call it cyberpunk. As much as it's a body mod
thing, there's still not enough technology behind
it. I kind of see cyberpunk being masses of technology
that doesn't exist in the time that you're recording
it. So things like holograms. flat laptops, mobile
phones with giant screens. I think Blade Runner.
I think Blade Runner. Blade Runner's a good example
of cyberpunk. I think Blade Runner would be.
Yeah, I think Blade Runner. Wow. Okay. So with
all that, I'm so glad that we've done this roulette
thing because we never would have watched this
ever. This was great. I think we've had a really
nice conversation about this film. But leaving,
coming away from it. did you actually enjoy it
do you would you recommend someone watch it absolutely
if you're looking for a film to sit down and
actually pay attention to so so often we end
end up saying a film is oh it's it's background
trash put it on you'll enjoy it but it doesn't
need you to closely pay attention whereas this
one it's a slog you are going to feel it at the
end but i do feel that the conclusion of the
film is worthwhile Because the ending is, again,
it's done brilliantly. Again, it's an ending
you do not expect. You get rewarded for persevering.
It's all over the place. Because you don't know,
suddenly you're thrown into turmoil. Is it actually
going to work out now? Isn't it going to work
out? I mean, we haven't even talked about the
fact that one of the... the two police officers
in it that are basically core to the police brutality,
killing the music artist and then going after
them. They're both pretty fucking big actors.
They're both huge actors. I'm really, really
quickly going to look them up because I want
to get their names right. So one of them is Vincent
DeFornio. Vincent DeFornio, who you will know
from Men in Black, from... He's Kingpin in the
new Daredevil stuff. Oh, is he? Yeah. Oh, I didn't
know that. He's in Full Metal Jacket. He's Private
Pyle in Full Metal Jacket. He's in The Cell.
He's in a huge number of films and he's immediately
recognisable. And then you've got his... compatriot
william fitchner who you will again have seen
and know anything he's colon colonel william
sharp i think his name is in armageddon he's
in blackhawk down he's in everything that guy
he's one of those actors yeah he's just he's
always a bit part but it's a big bit part it's
it's a bit part that's required for the film
to progress rather than just being a bit part
everyone would know if you don't know his name
you know him as soon as you see him you'd go
Oh, the one that vaguely looks like... He's like
a Kevin Bacon. You know what I mean? He's in
everything. Yeah. I'm just thinking, who does
he... In my head, I know it's absolutely not
him. He's Budget Christopher Walken. Yeah, I
mean... Doesn't look like him. Yeah, I get it.
There's just something about him that's very...
Anyway. Would I recommend it? Yeah, I absolutely
would. But with the caveat, you would need to
be sitting down. You need to kind of watch it
in one go because I feel it's not one you can
split. You've got to watch the whole thing. You're
going to have to watch the whole thing. And you
really have to be in the mood for a fairly brutal
film that requires you to think. It's not one
that you can just sit down and half -ass your
way through because there's a lot to make the
connections and to feel what the... um director
the writers and actually what the characters
are meant to be feeling you have to pay attention
yeah yeah you've got to focus on the whole thing
you are going to miss stuff because it kind of
slips important bits into you in in between the
the drudgery of some of the other bits i'm the
same i i agree with you i know i have made my
comments about some of the aesthetics of it and
i really really really was against those two
scenes but that's what the film is and overall
It, you know, it makes you really hate the fucking
bad guy. And at the end of the day, you want
to hate the bad guy. There was no shades of gray
on that bad guy. Nope. You know, it does it perfect.
The girl that he's chasing is actually a complete
cunt. You know, again, there's no shades of gray
with her either. You like, you, you think that
she's being manipulated. She ain't, she's an
asshole too. She's one of the instigators of
the whole fucking thing. She knew exactly what's
going on from day one. She has no redeeming characteristic
by the end of it. I do recommend it for all the
exact same reasons of you. As you said, I recommend
it. Watch it all the way through. Don't go on
your phone. Just muscle through some of it. Yeah.
And I'm just going to say, I'm hoping people
that are just joining the show now and have listened
to the old episodes realise we've actually managed
to talk. just over 30 minutes for this film that's
impressive yeah and we've actually been making
in my opinion valid points anyway maybe people
won't agree with us but what the fucking hell
do we care what other people think no but this
is the point going on films that we know yeah
we've never spoken for this long it's always
been it's been good so go and watch it i'd i'd
hope people will feed back to us and go actually
no this has made it so much more interesting
actually hearing about the film i hope so because
as we said that we would never have chosen this
before i'm so glad we chose i never would have
watched it in a million years and yeah as you
say please let us know if you've liked us talking
about this one and i hope whatever we get on
the next one is as good well fingers crossed
let's let's find out transfer complete Right,
so here we are, Untitled Roulette. Let's see
if we get something as good, shall we? So I'll
spin it. We need to discuss the rules of if it's
something we've already seen. Then you just spin
again. Okay, fine. Here we go. Right. Aliens.
We've seen that. Spin again. What's annoying
is that's literally spun that twice. Yeah, we
got aliens in front of the first time. District
9. District 9. We've spoke about it. We've spoke,
but we've not watched it for the show. It's been
on the intro as well, but we haven't watched
it for the show. District 9. Cool. So District
9, 2009. Blomkamp? I think the director is. Let
me get it up. Great film. I've seen it. I saw
it at the cinema. I was very blown away with
it the first time I saw it. Features people that
you'll immediately recognise. So Sholto Copley
is the Vickers van der Meer. Again, you'll recognise
him from various films. Neil Blomkamp is the
director and it did very well. Scores 7 .9 on
IMDb. Let's see if we agree. I remember really
liking it. I think I've got it on Blu -ray too.
Yeah, I think I've got it on... Sorry, I won't
need to download that from anywhere. I've got
it on Old Fashioned Media, which will save us
a bit of money. In fact, I might have it on DVD
rather than Blu -ray. Anyway, it's upstairs somewhere.
I'll find it. Yeah, I remember really liking
it. And I'm sure I'll like it again. I'm sure
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So it might be after people have heard this next
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