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Welcome to downtown Coolsville. Population? Us.

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That is incredible inertia. Maybe it's just glad

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to see you. What's with your head? I was looking

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for the kids. We're in a coal mine? You're in

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the backyard. This stuff will make you a goddamn

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sexual tyrannosaurus. Just like me. Oh, they

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want to play mini golf, eh? Two can play at that

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game. Or even four, depending on the number of

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ball colors available. Yo, Kate! Where do you

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keep your casserole dishes? Why? The cat won't

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fit in the toaster. Hello and welcome to the

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Untitled Swearing Sci -Fi Show. Yes, you may

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hear some occasional swear words, not from Rob

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or I. Yeah, with me, Tom, and the wife. She can't

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hear us, I don't think. Oh, you can. She's playing

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Resident Evil Requiem behind us, swearing, being

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scared. So if you do hear the odd... Fuck, shit,

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bugger. And maybe even the odd C -bomb. Maybe,

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if you're lucky. If you're lucky, you might get

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a C -bomb. That's not us. For once. I don't think

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you'll get picked up on the mic, but she did

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say sorry. How you been? Yeah, not too bad, mate.

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Exhausted after this bloody bug we've both had.

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It's still going for me. Yeah, no, it is. Yesterday,

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full -on sinus headache. Had to go to bed. And

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it vaguely disappeared between about 11 and midnight

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fully. So I got a good night's sleep. But yeah,

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this blimmin' cough. You've had the cough. I've

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now got the bloody cough, which always gets me

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at this time of year. Yeah, it's just ridiculous.

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Just ridiculous. Whatever this was, COVID. Yeah,

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probably COVID. It's been different every day.

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Every day it's been a little bit different. Yesterday

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I had the same. We had a headache and kind of...

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horrible stuff all at the same time especially

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i was in the dark in the front room yeah yeah

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i'm just but that's the thing i realized i was

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like oh should i just go to bed now and it's

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like this isn't a headache this is sinus isn't

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it so this sleep's not going to help this and

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that's the worst case about this bug when it

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first started i had 24 hours of sinus pain that

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was so intense it woke me up in the middle of

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the night and i couldn't get back to sleep it

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was that painful what is this this is this is

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horrible yeah i i had i had the headache as well

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and i think it's science but i don't seem to

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get it as bad as you the sinus stuff but then

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i woke up in the middle of night with incredibly

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bad stomach ache oh and then i managed to go

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back to sleep again and then my company's gone

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oh it's like it's just Opening up a little surprise

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every moment of the day. What new things is disease

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going to give me this time? Is it stomachache?

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Is it diarrhea? Yeah, who knows? It could be

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anything. It's the Pepto -Bismol advert that

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they've started doing. I mean, I have had a few

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cans of Coke recently, so I have been kind of

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deflating like a burst balloon. So I might have

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something to do with it. No, I guess the intro

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to talk about, because obviously I did get a

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message from Matt. uh apoc saying that they what's

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the the editing software they use oh i can't

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remember um i can't remember which could be said

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that software i've got it written down you can

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do screen recording with it like you can capture

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the audio you're listening to on the computer

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yep so i might and that might be how i have to

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do it um if it's not going to take me forever

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or i might just have to just change my work kind

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of rotation just do one night i do the guess

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the intro and then another night i do the it's

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coming back It might be at the start of this

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one. I don't know because I haven't done it yet.

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That's future Rob's problem. So let's talk about

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Star Trek. Enter authorization code. Okay, so

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I don't really remember it. Which lucky I do

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because I finished watching it this evening actually.

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Because I watched it when it come out. Which

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was about three weeks ago. Yeah. So we are talking

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about episode number six, I believe. Come Let's

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Away. It's called on IMDb. I remember liking

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it. Yeah. The blip is cadets face a deadly new

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threat during their first training mission aboard

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a derelict vessel, forcing them to fight for

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their lives as Nala turns to an unlikely ally

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for assistance. It's a really, really solid episode.

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After it came out, all I saw was hate for it.

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which I thought was really weird. Lots of people

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say, even people that were like, we're a fan

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of this so far, or we're growing to like it,

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were giving negative, and I don't get why. I

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don't get why no one doesn't like it. I mean,

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look, Paul, how do you say his name? Glamarty,

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plays Nussbracker. He's great. I really like

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him, and he's getting a little bit of pushback.

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I think he's kind of eccentric, kind of alien,

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evil guy. He plays it brilliantly. You know what?

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He is Starfleet's Academy version of Mud from

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Discovery. So if you remember Mud and that whole

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time loop episode, which is probably the only

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episode of Discovery I really like. I thought

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that was a really solid, fun, clever episode.

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This is their kind of version of him. But obviously

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he is going to be the premier, the prime bad

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guy for this season. As Picard had the Borg as

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always, it feels like Starfleet Academy has him

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for this series. Strange New Worlds have the

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Gorn. Yeah, we've got the Gorn in Strange New

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Worlds and it feels like, I can't remember their

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race now or what they call themselves. Led by

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him though, that is what feels like is going

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to be their main issue for this whole series.

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And he plays it well. He plays it brilliantly.

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The whole scene where he sat with Nala and he's

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just trying to have this conversation with her.

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And he's basically just absolutely cutting into

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her. So you left your son to die. You didn't

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even leave your crew to go and be by yourself.

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That must be like a trauma loop for you. It must

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go on forever because there's no end, is there,

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for you? Yeah, yeah. And all this. And it's wonderful

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because I've got to say, the captain is still

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growing on me. And there's a brilliant... I know

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we've joked about the fact that why doesn't she

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wear shoes and this whole feeling comfortable

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on the bridge sort of thing has grated on some

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people. But the very next episode, have you watched

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any of the next episode yet? No, I haven't seen

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anything past this. Okay. Spoiler for the next

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episode, but it doesn't spoil it too much. Basically,

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the very beginning of the episode explains it's

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a holiday on Earth. So the Academy is basically

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closed for Easter holidays. Okay. And everyone's

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gone to various places. And Caleb just doesn't

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want to go to this host family who's got to pretend

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to be kind of, oh, we'll look after you for this.

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So he gets to stay at the Academy. But he's having

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this argument with Nala in her apartment, whatever

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you want to call it. And she's packing this suitcase

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and she's packing it atrociously. Things are

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just being thrown in there. She's trying to close

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it. And you can see it's just clearly not going

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to close. And Caleb goes over and says, you just

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don't know how to pack, do you? You've got four

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pairs of boots in it. You don't even wear shoes.

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That's an absolutely brilliant bit there. I love

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it. Yeah. They're calling her out on it. Yeah.

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So I love the fact they're starting to have fun

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with that sort of thing. But going back to the

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episode, obviously we've got this weird race,

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which we've never come across before, with this

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weird, blurry face, really thinking early 2000s

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sort of. horror when they always used to do that

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sort of oh it's meant to be a spooky thing so

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the person who was possessed their face would

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do that whole weird screaming shaky thing um

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very much like that i felt but um even even to

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the point this felt like this is um starfleet

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academy trying to set up this is their version

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of the kobayashi maru from the original star

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trek series where of course kirk cheats and he's

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the only person that's ever succeeded in it and

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getting that whole storyline caleb turns up and

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he cheats although it's not not in the rules

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that he can use programmable matter to get past

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this thing that he gets past yeah anyway they

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didn't really set a rule to say he couldn't do

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something they just he just kind of just did

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it exactly so we we get this whole bit they're

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on the on the ship this new race turns up takes

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them hostage um i like the fact that the training

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captain from the war um college basically just

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sacrifices himself Bruce Lee as well. The sound

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effects of him being ripped to shreds. But I

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want to say his name is Barvey. No, no, no. That's

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the war college cadet that gets killed at the

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end. Oh, sorry. He jumps in either Vulcan or

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whatever it was. We're talking about Tomov. Tomov,

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yeah. That's the one, yes, Tomov. And gets ripped

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to shreds to start with. And then obviously,

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yeah, Barvey throws himself in front of the phaser

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to save Caleb. So it's a really poignant episode

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in some ways because you're getting the point

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that the War College has been making fun of the

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Starfleet Academy people that they don't believe

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in Starfleet, but they still put their life on

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the line for them. But also, he's a... Oh, fuck

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it. What race is he again? Well, we're trying

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to work out. Is he Vulcan? He's Vulcan. Yeah,

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okay. And it kind of just feels like he's using

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logic too. It's like he's not using his emotions.

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He knows he doesn't like. didn't like caleb at

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all but the logic is there says i need to my

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job is to protect these people also caleb is

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like their way out he's the only one so it's

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like everyone can get out if he's alive take

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me it's the only option i can get to save you

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i can get there logic says i should sacrifice

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myself for this person whether he likes or not

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it's perfect yeah i didn't want him to die because

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i didn't dislike him i didn't dislike anyone

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in the war college i just know they're great

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antagonists to the show this is it it's a perfect

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antagonist that isn't really an antagonist it's

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just there to cause a little bit of friction

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and it gives it a little bit more kind of flavor

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and texture which it which it needed and it works

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brilliantly so it was a shame that they killed

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him off but it was interesting that they don't

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kill sam off who has a really good role in this

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episode communicating with the ship getting up

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and running and then ending up with this glitch

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which i'm guessing is going to be an ongoing

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story arc at some point i reckon so i don't think

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she's obviously going to go and get fixed day

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one and then we're never going to hear about

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it again i think that's going to be that's going

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to be something um whether or not it's her version

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of being given emotions and so on like daiser

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I don't know. Well, just as I called the Klingons

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relationship with that guy, you called... I called

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the Tamarina thing. She's got that thing because

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she's fucking lethal. She's apocalyptic. Yeah,

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she's like the Phoenix from that terrible X -Men

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version of the films. Yeah, she basically can't

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really control herself and blew her dad's eardrums

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out. That's where her dad's deaf, yeah. But,

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yeah, I mean, obviously she'll come back. I can't

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see that they'll just bin her off. But I absolutely

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saw that coming, that she was going to be some

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sort of this wailing banshee, sort of emotion

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-filled power driver, which, again, worked. When

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you compare that to the story arcs that bloody

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Deanna Troi was given in fucking Star Trek The

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Next Generation, at least this one's been given

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a bit of power. She's actually using her Betazoid

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powers and going, you know what, this is what

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I have. And they're making use of it, not just

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walking on the bridge going, Captain, I feel

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that everyone's feeling anxious at the moment.

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Yes, because we're under attack, Deanna. I think

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we all know this one already. No one's going

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to be happy. Now, interestingly, it only got

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6 .6 on IMDb, but that's the highest rated episode

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so far. I'm not looking forward to the next episode.

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4 .5 on IMDb, the worst rated one. And IMDb has

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hated all of them. So, interesting. But again,

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I mean... I mean, whilst I think their scores

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are low, their scores are tracking scale wise

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with what I think as well. I think that was probably

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one of the better episodes of it. I actually

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really liked the episode. Yeah. So, but as we've

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already said, you know, these kind of things

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don't really matter to us anyway, but yeah, it's,

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I don't think this, as we've said already, I

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don't think a Starfleet Academy is going to.

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probably have more than two seasons no it's not

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gonna rock i don't hate it i'm i'm actually not

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even secret i'm enjoying it i am enjoying it

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um i love the little bits they put in not too

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sure about the constant little jokes that they

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throw in with the announcer in the college whenever

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you kind of you get a new day it's just some

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sort of boy pa saying something silly and it's

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like It doesn't quite fit. Yeah, but the announcer's

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played by Stephen Colbert. That's why. So he's

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getting his, you know, they've paid for this

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guy. Fair enough. And the thing is, you're saying

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that, I don't actually think I even notice it.

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Every time I see he's in an episode, I'm like,

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who is he again? To the fact that I'm completely

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oblivious to this voiceover that he's doing.

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Maybe because I don't recognise his voice or

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that it just doesn't resonate with me even remotely

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to be annoyed with it. Or enjoy it at all. I'll

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listen out for it in the next episode. I'll purposely

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try and listen out for it and see if I notice

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it. Yeah, no, fair enough. Because is he the

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narrator? No, it literally seems to be. So you

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know how in a shopping mall, let's say, or a

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train station, you've got that PA voice that

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says what's going on or this is coming up. Yeah,

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that's him, yeah. And it's always comedic. It's

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always something silly. Oh, okay. Well. So yeah,

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keep an ear out and you will pick up on them.

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A few things I did really like on this. So Nusbracker

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says what his full name is. Nustifer. Nustifer.

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Which I just thought was stupid but quite enjoyed.

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What I would love to know what he meant by is

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when he turns up and he sees Nala and he sees

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the Admiral there as well. I believe his terms

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is I'm wanked, spanked and something else ready

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to go. It's like, okay. Not quite sure that means

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the same thing in American as it does to the

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UK. Yeah, maybe not. And also the trivia -wise,

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and I did go back and re -watch this just to

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make sure, Miyazaki, which is the ship that they're

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on, is a redress of the Enterprise Bridge from

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Strange New Worlds. Oh, so using the same set.

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Same set, which has been a tradition in Paramount

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and Star Trek. But to be fair, it makes sense.

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If you actually think about it logically, not

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just from a production standpoint, making ships

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yeah if you they would be of a standard if you

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look at some of the uh original series films

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they are filmed using next generation ship areas

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so the corridors are often the next generation

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corridor the bridge is the battle bridge i think

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on one of them from the enterprise d which we

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only see once or twice in the next generation

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so yeah it i thought it was a good episode there

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were some good moments in it I'm looking forward

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to seeing where they go with it. I'm hoping they

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don't just drop it as some sort of, oh, we've

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taken care of it and suddenly it goes off on

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a whole different arc. I want that to be the

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main focus now is hunting down Bracca and getting

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him to deal with this. I'm going to say this

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now and I'm going to call another thing. He says

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there is a present on its way for Nala in that

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final hologram transmission he sends her and

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it's going to turn up with a red bow on it. And

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you won't know what hit you. It's Caleb's mother.

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He is looking at any way to take away Caleb from

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her again. Just like she's lost her son. She's

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basically building this kind of attempt to reform

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having another son through Caleb. And I reckon

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the mother's been programmed or something like

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that. And she's going to turn up. It'll be her

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in some way. Yeah. And it'll be a... A conclusion

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to the series where Caleb needs to make a decision.

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Does he go with his mother or does he stay with

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Nala and Starfleet? And that's how I think the

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series is going to end. It'd be her, but she'd

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have been Stockholm Syndrome'd into loving Bracca

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in some way. Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah, she'll

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be Bracca's wife or something. Yeah, it'd be

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something like that. Someone here, they do like

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plot holes and stuff. It says here, Bracca says

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the hills are alive with the sound of murder.

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paraphrasing The Sound of Music, 1965, but it

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strains credulity that an alien pirate would

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know a song from Earth film that is over 1 ,200

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years old, let alone be familiar enough with

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it to be making jokes at the top of his head.

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That's very true. I mean, it's obviously for

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our benefit, but yeah, I mean, if you care that

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much. Yeah, but if you're going to care that

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much, then you're never going to enjoy anything

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in fiction. I know, exactly. Well, that's Star

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Trek fans for you. What then? What have you been

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up to? Oh, what have I been up to? I've watched,

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as I say, Strange New Worlds. Now, I did watch

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a new film. You watched Strange New Worlds? Not

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Strange New Worlds. Strange Days, sorry, is the

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film. Yeah. And watched... Not strange. Academy.

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Academy, thank you. We've started watching Wednesday

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with our oldest. Oh, okay. You're letting her

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know what you did say. Well, it's a 12 certificate.

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Yeah. So we're sitting through it with her now.

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She's 12. I think, yep, we're on episode three

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now. I mean, it's okay. I wouldn't say I absolutely

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care about it. So if Gem and Kay would suddenly

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watch an episode without me. You wouldn't be

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bothered. I wouldn't be upset. I'd like to know

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what happened, but there's not a part of me actively

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saying I absolutely need to be there for it.

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So I've enjoyed it, but... I like Wednesday,

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but yeah. I mean, there's a few things in it

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that I don't like. And again, Gem will give you

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her feedback at some point, no doubt. But Zeta

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-Jones, for example, just doesn't feel like Morticia.

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In fact, the entire portrayal that we've had

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of Gomez and... morticia up to episode three

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it's very minimal but having grown up with the

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90s version of morticia and gomez they are so

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ingrained in me and they felt so perfect even

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though they don't match that of the newspaper

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um strips that they originally came from burton

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did just again especially with morticia tim burton

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and i don't know if you you notice this or if

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you know this but in both adams family films

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that burton did Morticia, the only time you ever

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see her, she has a strip of light across her

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eyes. Yeah, yeah, that's the way she's filmed,

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yeah. And it's just perfect. And the way she

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just portrays and just... It's like an elegance

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to her, isn't it? It's just full... Whereas Zeta

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-Jones just kind of felt like... As much as a

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good actress as she is, I felt she was very flat.

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No, okay, so give it a chance. It really is Wednesday,

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season one. It's all about her. Everyone else

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is a bit character, in my opinion. Season two,

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It's Adam's family. Right, okay. I'd say season

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two is way more Adam's family than it is Wednesday.

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Gotcha. They're all in it. Yeah. You know, Pugsley's

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in it. You know, mum and dad are in it loads.

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It's, you get, yeah, I liked her, but I fancy

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Catherine Zeta -Jones, what can I say? Brandon's

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not making a comment. I'm surprised you don't.

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What was she in? It wasn't All Great, She's Great

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and Small, was it? Darling Birds of May. That

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was it, Darling Birds of May, yeah. I used to

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watch that on my nans. I always remember them

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having their roast dinners in the bathtub. I

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always used to just find that hilarious. The

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mum and dad eating their roast dinners in the

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bathtub. I've never seen it. I'm pretty sure

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every episode ended with the mum and dad in the

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bubble bath. Because it was Del Boy, wasn't it?

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It was David Jason. David Jason and his... farmer

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wife in the bathtub loads of bubbles do you remember

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those things used to go across the bathtubs yeah

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that with plates on having a roast dinner like

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a full -on chicken and stuff it always used to

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look incredibly nice i've got to say yeah so

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yeah so we've started wednesday uh been playing

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art graders after buying it after seeing you

00:20:35.529 --> 00:20:37.630
guys stream it i felt like i just had to had

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to play it really enjoying it chose the wrong

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time to start playing it obviously because now

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i understand about this whole expedition thing

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that goes on still don't really fully understand

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it but i did a reset signed up yeah Nothing really

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makes clear about what the reset is and whether

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it's going to apply to you. And that's what started

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freaking me out. It hasn't applied to me. It

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doesn't apply to anyone unless they've signed

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up to be part of the expedition. And you've got

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to be level 20 minimum to sign up for it. I think

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it's like when you prestige in Call of Duty,

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my very minimal understanding of it is that you

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get to keep all your blueprints and stuff. Oh

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no, so you lose all of that. After you've kept

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your blueprints. I don't think so. I think basically

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you lose almost everything except for... There's

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something that does get permanented to your character

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as a payment for it. Things that don't really

00:21:27.900 --> 00:21:31.059
matter to actually the game you keep, but things

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that you could use actually in -game disappear.

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So I think your weapons, your blueprints, your

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stash, your room gets reset, all of that. But

00:21:39.740 --> 00:21:42.380
basically the payment of it is that you get something

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that you can't get anywhere else. Yeah, and there

00:21:44.460 --> 00:21:50.799
was something that you get. I mean, if I reset,

00:21:50.859 --> 00:21:53.700
we'd be losing anything. This is it. But the

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point is, because that reset was due, apparently,

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if you read up and look at all the videos that

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people have said, the reason there's so many

00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:06.420
people just going on PvE at this point, so PvP

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rather than player versus enemy, is because they've

00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:13.099
got nothing to lose. They're just taking all

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their good weapons, they're going out and they're

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just being dicks because they know that when

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it resets, they're all gone. They can't keep

00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:20.799
hold of them. So that's why we were having loads

00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:23.460
of PvP encounters at the end of that encounter.

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That's why they said PvP tends to go up around

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a reset time because they've just got to use

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the weapon. They don't really have a... They

00:22:31.380 --> 00:22:33.339
don't care at that point. They don't really care

00:22:33.339 --> 00:22:34.599
at that point. They're just getting rid of it.

00:22:34.779 --> 00:22:36.079
Player versus environment. People are getting

00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:38.619
fucked over. So I've enjoyed every single time

00:22:38.619 --> 00:22:40.359
I've played it except when I played it on my

00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:42.940
own yesterday. It's the only time I haven't enjoyed

00:22:42.940 --> 00:22:47.480
it. So I did six rounds. Yeah. The first four.

00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:51.619
I died. So the first one, I lost my reasonably

00:22:51.619 --> 00:22:54.359
okay weapons, a really nice pistol I really liked

00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:57.480
and stuff, lost that. And it's like, but I felt

00:22:57.480 --> 00:23:01.259
I lost because it just felt really difficult

00:23:01.259 --> 00:23:04.579
last night. I just was constantly getting bombarded

00:23:04.579 --> 00:23:08.480
by the robots. Like out of nowhere, I have four

00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:10.960
and a flamethrower one on me. Out of nowhere.

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Not like I couldn't hear them before because

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I'm a bit kind of nervous. I look out and have

00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:17.769
a look around, but like we do together. Nothing

00:23:17.769 --> 00:23:19.369
there. As soon as I'm in the middle of nowhere,

00:23:19.529 --> 00:23:23.769
flames, things, I'm dead. I was like, okay. And

00:23:23.769 --> 00:23:25.609
by the time, and because I kept trying to get

00:23:25.609 --> 00:23:27.630
to that bit that you said, and I kept failing

00:23:27.630 --> 00:23:30.269
it. Yeah. I have to watch the video. There must

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be a particular place you have to stand to drop

00:23:32.210 --> 00:23:34.289
off. I'm getting that wrong, I think. It's just

00:23:34.289 --> 00:23:36.130
to the right of the middle. If you turn your

00:23:36.130 --> 00:23:38.569
back to it and take a step right from the middle,

00:23:38.710 --> 00:23:41.490
if you step back, you can actually then see the

00:23:41.490 --> 00:23:44.869
ledge below. Well, I think I'm at a point where

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I'm giving up doing that because I, basically

00:23:47.719 --> 00:23:49.819
that's one of the reasons i died because i fell

00:23:49.819 --> 00:23:52.140
off i used all of my bandages and then i just

00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:55.099
got one shot by an arc and died yeah so that

00:23:55.099 --> 00:23:57.480
was the second time i died and then the other

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two again it felt cheap i'd collected loads of

00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:02.000
stuff i was happy i had a blueprint on one of

00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.559
them and i'm running back and i had a golden

00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:08.559
epic stock but i put that in my safe pocket one

00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:12.279
shot by an arc going up to the fucking exit yeah

00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:14.299
it's like oh for god's sake and after the fourth

00:24:14.299 --> 00:24:17.259
time i was like sod this i was so angry at it

00:24:17.259 --> 00:24:19.140
and then i was like you know what after dying

00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:21.079
i thought i mean unlocked a new level gave me

00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:22.740
new quests i went you know what i'm just gonna

00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:25.000
go here all i have to do is go there and it's

00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:27.700
part of the quest so i did it did it once and

00:24:27.700 --> 00:24:30.119
took some stuff great had a couple of nice interactions

00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:32.819
with people yes hello and stuff great now what

00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:34.539
okay the next the next part of the mission i

00:24:34.539 --> 00:24:36.740
have to just search three robots i must have

00:24:36.740 --> 00:24:39.240
seen 20 robots when i'd like dead cyborgs on

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the ground so i'll just go back exactly where

00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:43.690
it was when they weren't there right so i spent

00:24:43.690 --> 00:24:46.970
20 minutes running around good and there's a

00:24:46.970 --> 00:24:48.950
there's a it's like a big factory so it's all

00:24:48.950 --> 00:24:51.470
inside apart from this big long tube that's open

00:24:51.470 --> 00:24:53.910
to the world in the middle and it had one of

00:24:53.910 --> 00:24:57.250
the big walkers and loads of the flying ones

00:24:57.250 --> 00:24:59.750
around it i was like oh god i'm not coming out

00:24:59.750 --> 00:25:01.930
here and i walked back in found the robots i

00:25:01.930 --> 00:25:03.410
was like okay i've got like 10 minutes left went

00:25:03.410 --> 00:25:05.670
out and i was just carnage was going on so went

00:25:05.670 --> 00:25:08.430
out there and there was five people just fighting

00:25:08.430 --> 00:25:11.789
it so i went and i just pot shot at it, got myself

00:25:11.789 --> 00:25:14.049
some experience, they blew it up, had some conversations,

00:25:14.230 --> 00:25:16.130
somebody was crawling around going, he must have

00:25:16.130 --> 00:25:17.650
been roleplaying, he was like, excuse me, please,

00:25:17.730 --> 00:25:20.470
sir, Raider, please, sir, have you got any deepers

00:25:20.470 --> 00:25:22.970
on now? I'm sorry, dude. No one had one. He's

00:25:22.970 --> 00:25:25.130
like, okay, never mind there, never mind. And

00:25:25.130 --> 00:25:27.849
he's crawling down to where the exit was. That's

00:25:27.849 --> 00:25:29.609
probably a streamer then, isn't it? Let's face

00:25:29.609 --> 00:25:32.009
it. It was quite fun. So I had, after having

00:25:32.009 --> 00:25:36.349
four terrible games, to the point where I wanted

00:25:36.349 --> 00:25:39.359
to turn it off, I then had two quite nice yeah

00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:41.759
i feel like they're kind of in this place that

00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:46.200
hell divers got to where they screwed it up for

00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:51.019
one player kind of raids hell divers went from

00:25:51.019 --> 00:25:52.759
this brilliant yeah you could sit down you could

00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:54.640
spend half an hour do a mission on your own even

00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:57.539
heading towards hard you could do a mission on

00:25:57.539 --> 00:25:59.619
your own it was a push but as long as you didn't

00:25:59.619 --> 00:26:02.000
mind just running not doing the extras but just

00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:03.940
doing the two main mission points and then getting

00:26:03.940 --> 00:26:06.470
the fuck out of there You could. And then they

00:26:06.470 --> 00:26:08.490
rolled out that patch and it was impossible.

00:26:08.690 --> 00:26:10.170
And then it was even more impossible if you had

00:26:10.170 --> 00:26:12.789
more of you. And it feels like Ark is kind of

00:26:12.789 --> 00:26:16.470
maybe towards that where if you're on your own,

00:26:16.569 --> 00:26:21.190
the odds are just as bad for you if there were

00:26:21.190 --> 00:26:24.730
four of you. Yeah. Except they're all aimed at

00:26:24.730 --> 00:26:26.690
you now. Well, I'm just wondering if you queue

00:26:26.690 --> 00:26:29.769
up as a single, if you just get put in matches

00:26:29.769 --> 00:26:31.450
with other people that have queued as singles.

00:26:32.029 --> 00:26:34.630
Because I didn't, every time I found someone,

00:26:34.630 --> 00:26:35.849
apart from that time where everyone was shooting

00:26:35.849 --> 00:26:38.450
at a thing, I didn't see anyone going around

00:26:38.450 --> 00:26:40.410
in groups. It was all single interactions with

00:26:40.410 --> 00:26:42.190
single people. When I've gone around with you,

00:26:42.210 --> 00:26:45.450
I always seem to see people in pairs. But every

00:26:45.450 --> 00:26:46.950
time I've been around with you, that's when I

00:26:46.950 --> 00:26:48.690
noticed that there's, I'm not saying you're the

00:26:48.690 --> 00:26:52.410
jinx. I found the assholes. I've not had a bad

00:26:52.410 --> 00:26:56.369
human interaction on my own. Again, it might

00:26:56.369 --> 00:26:58.859
be a leveling thing. It might just be that. people

00:26:58.859 --> 00:27:00.119
have started playing it and they're at the same

00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:01.839
level i am and that's what we're getting matched

00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:04.579
i honestly don't know uh but i am looking forward

00:27:04.579 --> 00:27:07.299
to doing a bit more teamwork on it whether it's

00:27:07.299 --> 00:27:09.299
just myself and you or whether we get chris and

00:27:09.299 --> 00:27:11.380
mark involved as well we do a foursome on it

00:27:11.380 --> 00:27:14.940
um but no i've been enjoying art raiders and

00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:17.980
then finally the other thing i've done is uh

00:27:17.980 --> 00:27:20.559
i watched a film called argyle which i've kept

00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:25.779
mean meaning to watch for a while so it's directed

00:27:25.779 --> 00:27:30.859
by, I want to tell you, Matthew Vaughan. Matthew

00:27:30.859 --> 00:27:33.059
Vaughan's the one that basically, and I've just,

00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:36.059
why I clicked back once I'd got that, drives

00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:39.480
me mad when I do dumbass things like that. So

00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:40.799
I'm now just going to have to find where it went.

00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:43.559
Matthew Vaughan, so he has directed, he's known

00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:48.059
for, and being producer of, Kick -Ass, X -Men

00:27:48.059 --> 00:27:52.259
First Class, Stardust, Kingsman, or in fact,

00:27:52.299 --> 00:27:56.780
all the Kingsman films, Silent Night, Bloodshot.

00:27:56.780 --> 00:27:58.880
I quite enjoyed Bloodshot, but it is a terrible

00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:01.980
film. The Vin Diesel Bloodshot. Yeah, I remember

00:28:01.980 --> 00:28:04.319
it. I had fun with it, if I'm honest. I enjoyed

00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.259
it as a fun... I can't remember thinking it was

00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:09.640
okay. It's not a cracking film, but it's a bit

00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:14.619
of fun. He's got the... um little robots yeah

00:28:14.619 --> 00:28:17.640
nanites in him he dies they resurrect him they

00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:20.039
wipe his memory every time blah blah blah um

00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:22.819
so that's the director and especially the kingsman

00:28:22.819 --> 00:28:25.339
i've got a very soft spot i like the first i've

00:28:25.339 --> 00:28:27.099
not seen the third one which is meant to be the

00:28:27.099 --> 00:28:29.500
kind of the world war ii that one i haven't seen

00:28:29.500 --> 00:28:32.799
but the first two really enjoyed those arg so

00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:36.400
think argyle is kingsman but specifically for

00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:39.200
apple because it's only on apple tv the film

00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.460
oh he's let himself go a little bit on it it

00:28:43.460 --> 00:28:47.339
feels like i quite like the idea of it but it

00:28:47.339 --> 00:28:52.500
goes on for a bit too long it's basically a kingsman

00:28:52.500 --> 00:28:57.880
-esque spy film without the people that you'd

00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:00.160
normally expect in it so not the same actors

00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.500
no no well samuel l jackson's in it still uh

00:29:03.500 --> 00:29:06.059
so you've got bryce dallas howard who you may

00:29:06.059 --> 00:29:09.799
know from things like Jurassic World. She's Ron

00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:12.440
Howard's daughter, the ginger -haired one. You've

00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:16.720
got Henry Cavill for a very small amount of it.

00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:21.519
Sam Rockwell, amazing actor. You've got Samuel

00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:26.079
L. Jackson. Who else is in it, actually? Sam

00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:28.609
Rockwell, who I'm thinking of, Green Marl. Yeah.

00:29:28.750 --> 00:29:33.029
Yeah. Moon. All of those. Phenomenal. He plays

00:29:33.029 --> 00:29:36.609
a good mental guy. Yeah. Dua Lipa's in it. Dua

00:29:36.609 --> 00:29:38.690
Lipa's in it. Richard E. Grant's in it. John

00:29:38.690 --> 00:29:40.430
Senner's in it. You've sold me Dua Lipa's in

00:29:40.430 --> 00:29:44.509
it. But there's some big names in it. And I mean,

00:29:44.529 --> 00:29:46.150
do you want to know? Basically, the story of

00:29:46.150 --> 00:29:47.970
it is, is Bryce Dallas Howard's character is

00:29:47.970 --> 00:29:51.789
a writer. She's writing all these stories. She

00:29:51.789 --> 00:29:54.509
then gets kind of kidnapped by Sam Rockwell,

00:29:54.569 --> 00:29:59.309
who explains that her story somehow. are exactly

00:29:59.309 --> 00:30:04.329
what a bad agency has actually done and is following,

00:30:04.490 --> 00:30:08.470
and basically she's managing to predict what

00:30:08.470 --> 00:30:11.650
they're going to do next. Okay, fun. That's interesting.

00:30:11.930 --> 00:30:13.930
It then turns out... Do you want me to spoil

00:30:13.930 --> 00:30:15.650
it for you? Maybe not, because I might watch

00:30:15.650 --> 00:30:18.250
it. No, okay. It's worth watching. You won't

00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:21.170
see some of the twists coming. It does go on

00:30:21.170 --> 00:30:23.210
for too long. What I do want you to do, though,

00:30:23.230 --> 00:30:24.710
is press pause for a moment. I'm going to show

00:30:24.710 --> 00:30:27.940
you two scenes. um one from argyle and one from

00:30:27.940 --> 00:30:30.240
the transporter and i want to tell you see which

00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.619
one did it best and we're back in the room so

00:30:33.619 --> 00:30:35.319
what i just showed rob there were two scenes

00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:37.960
one from argyle and one from the transporter

00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:42.160
years apart in films and the transporter is the

00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:44.720
first time i'd kind of seen an oil scene fight

00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.380
so he tipped over the oil on the floor of the

00:30:47.380 --> 00:30:50.039
uh garage he's having a fight in covers himself

00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:53.559
in oil becomes a slip and slide and then Goes

00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:57.839
over to a bike, stomps the metal pedals off,

00:30:57.960 --> 00:30:59.720
which, let's face it, if you've ever been on

00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:01.259
a bike and you've had one of those pedals hit

00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:03.160
you in the shin, you know exactly what teeth

00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:04.319
are on them for the grip. He's kicking it in

00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.920
the face with them. So it kind of makes sense.

00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.500
And then he uses that to get the grip in the

00:31:09.500 --> 00:31:11.859
oil and kicks the shit out of everyone. Then

00:31:11.859 --> 00:31:14.319
we have Argyle, which the floor is already flooded

00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:15.940
with oil. They've been told we can't shoot a

00:31:15.940 --> 00:31:17.319
gun because it'll all go up in flames, blah,

00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:19.619
blah, blah. not sure if that's too believable

00:31:19.619 --> 00:31:23.599
to be honest uh she stomps on two sharp knives

00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:26.619
and turns them into ice skates and straight away

00:31:26.619 --> 00:31:29.079
in my head i'm thinking transporter everything

00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:31.740
he did in that is believable even to the point

00:31:31.740 --> 00:31:34.339
where he kicks himself off someone using kind

00:31:34.339 --> 00:31:38.240
of physics the equal reaction to what you'd act

00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.960
to an action where he pushes off and then gets

00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.619
pushed backwards is all real Then you've got

00:31:43.619 --> 00:31:46.180
her doing ice skating on crude oil on concrete

00:31:46.180 --> 00:31:48.279
floor. So basically those knives, they're not

00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:50.279
going to glide across the top of the oil like

00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:52.380
ice. They're going to hit that concrete and she's

00:31:52.380 --> 00:31:54.700
just going to go smash face first. You know the

00:31:54.700 --> 00:31:57.259
Wayans brothers and they make like scary movie.

00:31:57.500 --> 00:31:59.759
Yeah. Do they make the superhero movie and stuff

00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.359
like that as well? Certainly the films in there

00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:06.619
kind of take. It's the same. Yeah, I could see

00:32:06.619 --> 00:32:08.740
people taking the mick out of that and they stamp

00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:10.279
on the knives and the knives go through their

00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:13.500
feet. That's it. I mean, as much as I enjoyed

00:32:13.500 --> 00:32:15.420
Argyle, there were just a couple of bits I thought

00:32:15.420 --> 00:32:19.039
Kingsman did it better. They kept it within the

00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:22.079
realms of fantasy while... That was silly. Yeah,

00:32:22.259 --> 00:32:24.240
the Argyle one was just over -the -top silly.

00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:27.599
Whereas there's bits in Kingsman which are over

00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:29.599
-the -top silly, but you still watch it and go,

00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:31.859
well, it kind of happened when all the guards'

00:32:31.940 --> 00:32:33.680
heads are exploding and puffs of coloured smoke.

00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.759
Just genius, absolutely cracking scene. But when

00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.400
you pair where obviously they got the inspiration

00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.440
for that oil scene in Argyle from something like

00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.180
the transporter, the transporter, all of it felt

00:32:46.180 --> 00:32:48.460
like it could be an absolutely real scenario

00:32:48.460 --> 00:32:52.000
that he's doing. The Argyle just feels so stupid

00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.960
in comparison. Not saying it's not worth watching.

00:32:55.019 --> 00:32:56.779
It is worth watching. It's just, yeah, I just

00:32:56.779 --> 00:33:01.710
felt it's very weird. But yeah, that's it. Otherwise,

00:33:01.910 --> 00:33:03.369
I don't think I've watched anything else. It's

00:33:03.369 --> 00:33:07.150
just been YouTube otherwise. Oh, well, very good.

00:33:10.490 --> 00:33:14.470
What have you been up to? Oh, creators, obviously,

00:33:14.670 --> 00:33:18.789
as we said already. More Tainted Grail. I kind

00:33:18.789 --> 00:33:20.910
of got a little bit ahead from where I was before.

00:33:20.950 --> 00:33:23.369
I made a decision of how I was going to progress

00:33:23.369 --> 00:33:26.089
the story. And now I'm fighting a boss, which

00:33:26.089 --> 00:33:30.380
is a forced battle I've got myself into. I am

00:33:30.380 --> 00:33:32.960
nowhere near equipped enough to kill him. He's

00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:34.680
battering. I can't even get a quarter of his

00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:36.619
health off and he's just absolutely assaulting

00:33:36.619 --> 00:33:39.960
me. So I think I'm going to have to kind of,

00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.319
when I died, the checkpoint is outside the rooms.

00:33:42.339 --> 00:33:44.619
I might have to go off and kind of figure out

00:33:44.619 --> 00:33:47.599
how I'm going to do it. Cause what I tend to

00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.220
do, the way I play my. Where I play is I'm a

00:33:50.220 --> 00:33:53.339
battle mage and I like to summon stuff. So then

00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:55.119
the people can fight what I've summoned and then

00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.240
I'll attack them with either of my quite powerful

00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.619
sword or I might use my spells. But he's killing

00:34:00.619 --> 00:34:04.059
all of my summons in like two hits. So I can't

00:34:04.059 --> 00:34:08.900
spawn them quick enough to damage him enough.

00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:11.199
And he's like putting some kind of like poison

00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:13.000
debuff on me. So I'm kind of, you know, doing

00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:15.039
my own health as well. I'm not quite understanding

00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:18.480
how he's doing it. So I only did once and I got

00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.019
killed. So that's what I'm working on with that.

00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:24.039
Hytale, play more Hytale. Yeah, I haven't logged

00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:25.699
on to the server for a while, actually. I do

00:34:25.699 --> 00:34:26.960
need to jump back in there. I'm at a point now

00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:31.480
I'm waiting. There's two updates on pre -release

00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.280
and I'm going to wait now until they're both

00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.739
out because they fixed some bugs that I'm having,

00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.820
like with the animals and things like that. Like

00:34:40.820 --> 00:34:42.900
I made like a chicken coop for us chickens, but

00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:45.690
they won't lay eggs. Right, gotcha. Because the

00:34:45.690 --> 00:34:48.530
bug is tamed chickens won't lay eggs in their

00:34:48.530 --> 00:34:50.730
coop. That's the bug. He's fixed it. Which is

00:34:50.730 --> 00:34:52.550
what they're meant to do. But that's two pre

00:34:52.550 --> 00:34:54.769
-releases ahead of... And we don't want to touch

00:34:54.769 --> 00:34:56.710
the pre -releases. And we're not going to do

00:34:56.710 --> 00:34:59.309
that. And we've got one to come out of pre -release

00:34:59.309 --> 00:35:01.909
before that one even comes out. And I maxed out

00:35:01.909 --> 00:35:05.670
the farming thing. I have a little confession.

00:35:05.889 --> 00:35:08.590
I cheated a bit to get some of the petals. We

00:35:08.590 --> 00:35:13.159
had to get 300 of... all three of the really

00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:17.860
hard petals and the red ones you can only get

00:35:17.860 --> 00:35:21.780
in the bone area yeah and the flowers only grow

00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:25.519
on the bones high up yep so i went you know what

00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.199
i don't care i got all the others legitimately

00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:31.920
because like you can grow the plants right that's

00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:34.420
great that's a really good idea you use you use

00:35:34.420 --> 00:35:37.340
the crystal shards so use a blue crystal shards

00:35:37.340 --> 00:35:40.400
to grow the azure kelp The yellow ones to grow

00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.099
the thunder flowers and the red shards to grow

00:35:43.099 --> 00:35:47.340
the blood flowers. You can only grow the azure

00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:50.360
petals when you're at level 9. You need them

00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:54.380
to get to level 9. That's fucking stupid. And

00:35:54.380 --> 00:35:56.980
the same with the red ones and the yellow ones.

00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.019
You need them to get to level 10. You can't grow

00:36:00.019 --> 00:36:02.659
them. till you're level 10 and why would you

00:36:02.659 --> 00:36:04.820
want them at that point and it's also let's face

00:36:04.820 --> 00:36:06.320
it it's not also the fact that we've not done

00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.480
exploration so it's not like we're not just finding

00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:11.960
it our map is already at its limit so although

00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:13.820
there's still a whole world we and i know it's

00:36:13.820 --> 00:36:15.300
meant to be technically infinite or whatever

00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:19.519
but the mapping add -ons we've got give you an

00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:21.519
idea of how much we've explored because i could

00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.260
be at where i've built this weird castle thing

00:36:24.260 --> 00:36:27.400
yeah And I can't see any of you guys on the map

00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.219
because you're that far away. We have explored

00:36:30.219 --> 00:36:32.980
this giant expanse that the map just doesn't

00:36:32.980 --> 00:36:35.260
actually work properly between all of us at this

00:36:35.260 --> 00:36:37.539
point because there's too much of a gap. So it's

00:36:37.539 --> 00:36:40.900
not like we've not done the exploration. So that's

00:36:40.900 --> 00:36:43.340
the, again, that's in that second previous update,

00:36:43.420 --> 00:36:45.739
is that chunks that aren't being loaded will

00:36:45.739 --> 00:36:49.480
still run. So at the moment, if you put stuff

00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:51.980
in the furnace on our base one and go to your

00:36:51.980 --> 00:36:55.460
base, it'll stop. It won't now. It will continue

00:36:55.460 --> 00:36:57.360
and farm and all this stuff will continue on

00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:58.780
the other side of the map. So again, that's a

00:36:58.780 --> 00:37:01.639
fix in it. And that's why I gave our server lots

00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.800
of memory. Yeah. So that's one thing. Because

00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:09.420
I think that if you... The way it should... I

00:37:09.420 --> 00:37:10.980
know it's all alphas. I think they will probably

00:37:10.980 --> 00:37:14.739
change it. If I need blue petals to turn it to

00:37:14.739 --> 00:37:18.000
level 8, I should unlock the plant at level 7.

00:37:18.260 --> 00:37:20.659
And then it will encourage me to do more farming.

00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:25.179
Yes. Because... Then I do more farming. But you

00:37:25.179 --> 00:37:28.960
only get the seed blueprint by finding the plant

00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.280
and breaking enough of them down. So next time

00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:35.719
you're on your seat, I've got loads of the seeds

00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.300
for everyone to learn how to make them. But that's

00:37:38.300 --> 00:37:41.860
pointless. Why would I want a level 10 recipe

00:37:41.860 --> 00:37:47.519
when I'm only at level 8 on the thing? And I

00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.079
need those level 10 flowers to make it. That's

00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.559
broken there, which is why I thought after I

00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:55.980
did all the blues and yellows all legitimately,

00:37:56.099 --> 00:37:57.300
because the yellows are just on top of mountains

00:37:57.300 --> 00:37:59.900
and blues are in the blue areas. Easy. It took

00:37:59.900 --> 00:38:02.420
me a couple of evenings to get 300 worth. The

00:38:02.420 --> 00:38:06.699
red ones, impossible to do. Impossible to do

00:38:06.699 --> 00:38:09.199
without just putting yourself into creative mode

00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:12.179
of flying over to the ones. We'd found all the

00:38:12.179 --> 00:38:14.820
areas, so we didn't go and cheat in the way that...

00:38:15.260 --> 00:38:17.239
I went to areas that you hadn't already, because

00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:18.780
you had already found them, because I could see

00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:21.679
them on the map. Yeah, it's that bottom south

00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:26.539
bone area I'd found. You're right, and it feels,

00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.900
at the moment, and I'm sure it is because it's

00:38:28.900 --> 00:38:36.320
pre -alpha, obviously, it feels like you're being

00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.000
cheated a little bit as well, because you climb

00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:39.880
up to these high spots to get these bloody things.

00:38:40.219 --> 00:38:42.860
You make one slip. And there's a really high

00:38:42.860 --> 00:38:44.380
chance you're going to kill yourself as well,

00:38:44.420 --> 00:38:47.019
which is really not on. But obviously things

00:38:47.019 --> 00:38:49.480
will change. What I'm currently thinking is,

00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:51.260
as much as I'm having fun with our server and

00:38:51.260 --> 00:38:53.099
whatever, I do think that when it finally gets

00:38:53.099 --> 00:38:56.739
to either beta or it gets to release, that world

00:38:56.739 --> 00:38:58.900
kind of gets archived and we start again from

00:38:58.900 --> 00:39:01.199
scratch and we say, right, we've learned what

00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:04.480
we need to do. Yeah, I think we would do that.

00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.699
I think as soon as it goes, okay, let's just

00:39:07.699 --> 00:39:10.969
say, for example, on Monday, version one. This

00:39:10.969 --> 00:39:14.170
is the retail game. It's now on Steam. This is

00:39:14.170 --> 00:39:16.969
what we want everyone to be playing. That is

00:39:16.969 --> 00:39:20.190
when I'd be like, let's make a new server. Let's

00:39:20.190 --> 00:39:22.130
just start again now. We all know what we're

00:39:22.130 --> 00:39:24.769
doing. Yeah, and I say archive it or just have

00:39:24.769 --> 00:39:27.389
it as a separate thing just so we can go, you

00:39:27.389 --> 00:39:29.809
know, maybe I'll save all the prefabs so we can

00:39:29.809 --> 00:39:32.090
have the houses and stuff that we can call back

00:39:32.090 --> 00:39:35.030
at a later date. But start again if we're still

00:39:35.030 --> 00:39:36.849
into it at that point. I mean, I reckon it's

00:39:36.849 --> 00:39:39.469
over a year away. I reckon it's over. year away

00:39:39.469 --> 00:39:42.670
and the game is good and i think to be fair it's

00:39:42.670 --> 00:39:46.809
got the ability to have the same longevity that

00:39:46.809 --> 00:39:50.369
minecraft does yeah it's just it needs to get

00:39:50.369 --> 00:39:53.409
to that release candidate phase so that we can

00:39:53.409 --> 00:39:56.070
sit down and not get to the point of there's

00:39:56.070 --> 00:39:58.070
nothing more for us to do now until an update

00:39:58.070 --> 00:39:59.789
comes because that's where we've got to a couple

00:39:59.789 --> 00:40:02.949
of times now yeah we've built a pub we've built

00:40:02.949 --> 00:40:05.130
a house we've done mining we've got all of this

00:40:05.130 --> 00:40:08.579
stuff we've maxed out the benches what else is

00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:11.400
there to do? There's no end point, is there?

00:40:11.539 --> 00:40:14.500
So there's no end to Dragonite Minecraft. No,

00:40:14.739 --> 00:40:17.480
I mean, you guys haven't found it yet, but in

00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:21.219
the area that's next to the bone place, you see

00:40:21.219 --> 00:40:23.860
all the flying bugs? Yeah, they're a pain in

00:40:23.860 --> 00:40:25.599
the ass. There's termite hounds, and they're

00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.320
dungeons. And if you go all the way to the bottom,

00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:30.039
I sent you photos, don't I? There's a queen at

00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:34.539
the bottom. But the queen isn't finished, didn't

00:40:34.539 --> 00:40:37.300
fight me back. So all the mobs did. but she was

00:40:37.300 --> 00:40:40.119
just there and gave me like one heavy leather.

00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:42.619
Yeah. It wasn't anything cool for killing. And

00:40:42.619 --> 00:40:44.440
it's like the Jurassic world you found in South.

00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.599
I haven't explored it yet, which is phenomenal,

00:40:46.780 --> 00:40:51.000
but it, yeah, it just still all feels so unfinished,

00:40:51.179 --> 00:40:53.380
which is understandable. It's a pre -release,

00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:56.659
but it does need to start moving along a bit.

00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.760
I think if it's going to keep people's interest,

00:40:59.860 --> 00:41:02.690
because this is the danger now. A lot of games

00:41:02.690 --> 00:41:05.110
are coming out similar ilk, like the pirate game

00:41:05.110 --> 00:41:07.690
you found. Oh, yeah. And all of these things.

00:41:07.789 --> 00:41:11.110
And they're using a similar mechanic. And people

00:41:11.110 --> 00:41:13.210
are going to go, well, if that's accelerating

00:41:13.210 --> 00:41:16.170
past this, I could always turn to being a bit

00:41:16.170 --> 00:41:18.070
of a pirate for a little while. I've got to tell

00:41:18.070 --> 00:41:20.409
you, if anyone out there is looking for something

00:41:20.409 --> 00:41:24.030
to play, it costs you no money. Windrose. This

00:41:24.030 --> 00:41:26.949
is the pirate game. If you ever played Assassin's

00:41:26.949 --> 00:41:29.429
Creed Black Flag. which I did, which was pretty

00:41:29.429 --> 00:41:31.650
much the first Assassin's Creed game I'd ever

00:41:31.650 --> 00:41:36.590
played, that game consumed me. I loved everything

00:41:36.590 --> 00:41:39.889
about it. I absolutely loved that. And I've been

00:41:39.889 --> 00:41:43.630
chasing that pirate game since. And then Ubisoft

00:41:43.630 --> 00:41:45.090
was like, oh yeah, we're going to make a game

00:41:45.090 --> 00:41:47.710
based just on the pirate ship stuff. And it took

00:41:47.710 --> 00:41:49.869
them years. You need to go back and play Sid

00:41:49.869 --> 00:41:52.630
Meier's Pirates. Skull and Bones is what it was.

00:41:52.710 --> 00:41:55.539
And it was flipping dreadful. everyone hated

00:41:55.539 --> 00:41:57.840
it took them too long and then all of a sudden

00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:03.139
one guy on his own um for steam next fest where

00:42:03.139 --> 00:42:05.360
all they they kind of once they release all these

00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:07.760
demos he released a demo of his game called winrose

00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.840
and it is the game everyone's wanted so it's

00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.019
a mixture of uh if anyone's ever played valheim

00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:17.719
i think i've spoken about it on here briefly

00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:22.119
that's a very doesn't hold your hand very difficult

00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:27.110
survival game And what else can I compare it

00:42:27.110 --> 00:42:31.110
to? One that does hold your hand. I don't know.

00:42:31.130 --> 00:42:33.730
I can't think of what's on my head. But it's

00:42:33.730 --> 00:42:37.909
a survival game. So the standard chop wood, get

00:42:37.909 --> 00:42:41.389
your oars and stuff, build your houses. You know,

00:42:41.449 --> 00:42:46.269
you need this many plant fibers to make walls,

00:42:46.590 --> 00:42:48.730
you know, and it kind of gives you the thing.

00:42:48.829 --> 00:42:50.309
You move around, you spin around. You can make

00:42:50.309 --> 00:42:51.769
these really cool, nice looking buildings and

00:42:51.769 --> 00:42:55.500
stuff. And then you've got these. Work benches,

00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:57.940
some of them have to be inside a building and

00:42:57.940 --> 00:43:00.260
you have to, you get like comfort points, which

00:43:00.260 --> 00:43:02.480
is what Valheim did. So they encouraged you to

00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.659
build nice looking houses with beds and soft

00:43:05.659 --> 00:43:07.199
finishing stuff because they gave you comfort

00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.440
points, which then gave you better resting, which

00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.099
then meant you had higher stamina, regenerate,

00:43:11.179 --> 00:43:13.340
all kinds of stuff. So it's got all that, but

00:43:13.340 --> 00:43:16.960
you're a pirate and you had a pirate ship, Blackbeard

00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:20.179
took over your ship, stranded you on a desert

00:43:20.179 --> 00:43:24.230
island, pretty standard stuff. In the demo, you

00:43:24.230 --> 00:43:27.030
get to go all the way up to getting your own

00:43:27.030 --> 00:43:30.230
massive ship again and a crew of eight pirates

00:43:30.230 --> 00:43:32.170
that you have to save. And then you're out on

00:43:32.170 --> 00:43:35.909
the high seas shooting at other ships. And you

00:43:35.909 --> 00:43:38.969
can turn them on to do sea shanties and stuff.

00:43:39.610 --> 00:43:43.190
I had so much fun. I played it for a week. As

00:43:43.190 --> 00:43:46.690
soon as you destroy your first Blackbeard ship,

00:43:46.909 --> 00:43:49.269
you get a message come up saying that's the demo.

00:43:49.409 --> 00:43:52.389
You can't go any further than that. But then...

00:43:52.909 --> 00:43:55.289
you get a little bit of a trade and stuff and

00:43:55.289 --> 00:43:57.829
it boots you back in the game and now you can

00:43:57.829 --> 00:44:01.250
just there's only three islands so it's free

00:44:01.250 --> 00:44:03.989
roam between yeah now it's three free roam they

00:44:03.989 --> 00:44:06.090
keep spawning more ships if you want to go do

00:44:06.090 --> 00:44:10.070
battles you can like there's still some things

00:44:10.070 --> 00:44:12.329
i haven't found like there's hidden resources

00:44:12.329 --> 00:44:14.610
i don't know if they're in the game or not but

00:44:14.610 --> 00:44:17.250
it you get like a checklist of things you haven't

00:44:17.250 --> 00:44:19.489
found like particular enemies particularly fruit

00:44:19.489 --> 00:44:22.969
whatever um and yeah you can just do your house

00:44:22.969 --> 00:44:25.050
up a bit more just have a bit of fun just explore

00:44:25.050 --> 00:44:29.989
excuse me yeah great i i am definitely going

00:44:29.989 --> 00:44:33.050
to be playing that when it comes out so i've

00:44:33.050 --> 00:44:36.389
just literally been over the past few days thinking

00:44:36.389 --> 00:44:38.690
about kind of things like hightail minecraft

00:44:38.690 --> 00:44:42.309
and as you say windrose one thing i would love

00:44:42.309 --> 00:44:45.150
someone to try and do and this may be a little

00:44:45.150 --> 00:44:49.539
bit retro kind of feeling but You know, all these

00:44:49.539 --> 00:44:51.119
games that we've talked about tonight so far

00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:53.500
have had that kind of Minecraft design. They've

00:44:53.500 --> 00:44:57.480
got the inventory in front of you as, let's say,

00:44:57.480 --> 00:44:59.380
an eight -box selection screen or whatever it

00:44:59.380 --> 00:45:01.699
is. You've got your health, your whatever. I

00:45:01.699 --> 00:45:04.800
would love them to do it in slightly different

00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:11.539
graphics. But imagine a game like that. It could

00:45:11.539 --> 00:45:12.820
do it as a pirate. It could do it in space. It

00:45:12.820 --> 00:45:15.639
could do it whatever, really. But in the same

00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:21.679
inventory style, the same as cult of lamb so

00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:23.780
you have your carrots and you move them around

00:45:23.780 --> 00:45:25.280
but you're moving them around in that kind of

00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:29.539
semi 3d 2d top down sort of view and that's how

00:45:29.539 --> 00:45:32.920
you're doing it but then add in a little bit

00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:35.880
more like command and conquer so when you go

00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:37.820
back to your place then you could choose buildings

00:45:37.820 --> 00:45:40.699
to build with it then you choose your your truth

00:45:40.699 --> 00:45:43.219
so go for a little bit of command and conquer

00:45:43.219 --> 00:45:47.329
sort of style populous civilization style building

00:45:47.329 --> 00:45:49.750
bit where you're building your area so you're

00:45:49.750 --> 00:45:52.769
not just rather than having the whole block building

00:45:52.769 --> 00:45:55.469
side of it you're using the the same mechanic

00:45:55.469 --> 00:45:57.150
going on a cut down tree oh look that's in my

00:45:57.150 --> 00:45:58.889
inventory now i've got that much tree to use

00:45:58.889 --> 00:46:01.449
blah blah blah but then also kind of integrating

00:46:01.449 --> 00:46:04.110
this top down view rather than this whole 3d

00:46:04.110 --> 00:46:07.789
third person or first person view instead so

00:46:07.789 --> 00:46:13.840
um peter molyneux yeah Black and White Fable.

00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:19.000
He's making a game nearly what you're asking

00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:22.039
for. So it's a god game, black and white -esque.

00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:24.420
You have a floating hand, you've got your villagers,

00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:26.380
you're building them, telling them to go off

00:46:26.380 --> 00:46:29.300
and chop. But you can then zoom all the way down,

00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:32.719
take over one of them and be that person in the

00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:36.679
world and fight them as a hero when you're getting

00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:39.320
attacked by other... places but you see that

00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:42.300
that but i want the survival i want yeah same

00:46:42.300 --> 00:46:45.940
survival based game that minecraft hightail windrose

00:46:45.940 --> 00:46:48.559
has that's what i want i don't want it to be

00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:52.099
i want it to be that infinite generated world

00:46:52.099 --> 00:46:54.900
still i want it still to be random but i quite

00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:56.780
like the idea that it's kind of this top down

00:46:56.780 --> 00:46:58.900
version of it instead where you can build your

00:46:58.900 --> 00:47:02.000
little village and all of that and then off you

00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.300
go i wonder if there is stuff like that already

00:47:04.300 --> 00:47:07.630
that we just don't know about possibly possibly

00:47:07.630 --> 00:47:09.949
yeah because they've got quite a lot of those

00:47:09.949 --> 00:47:14.289
kind of village and town sims but i don't know

00:47:14.289 --> 00:47:15.829
of them being able to but you're right but they

00:47:15.829 --> 00:47:18.550
are more to be simulations yeah and i don't get

00:47:18.550 --> 00:47:20.849
me wrong sim city is one of my favorite games

00:47:20.849 --> 00:47:23.650
all time especially sim city classic on 95 and

00:47:23.650 --> 00:47:27.750
3 .1 but yeah just kind of a minecraft -esque

00:47:27.750 --> 00:47:32.050
game that is top down but still survival i think

00:47:32.050 --> 00:47:35.019
could be quite a lot of fun Right, should we

00:47:35.019 --> 00:47:37.079
start talking about strange days? Yeah, we better

00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:49.880
do. Accessing library computer data. 1995. With

00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:57.900
Ralph Fiennes and Angela Bassett. Yes, Angela

00:47:57.900 --> 00:48:01.400
Bassett. She's lovely, isn't she? I was going

00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.920
to start rubbing my knees. Well, let me read.

00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:06.519
So first of all, Strange Days. Neither of us

00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:10.860
had heard it. 1995. Directed by Catherine Bigelow

00:48:10.860 --> 00:48:14.440
and written by James Cameron. Yes, I noticed

00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.539
that. Which explained quite a lot. And Jay Cox.

00:48:17.860 --> 00:48:20.519
Also explains quite a lot. Strange Days is a

00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.239
cyberpunk thriller set in the last days of 1999

00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:25.760
in Los Angeles centered around illegal recordings

00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.300
of other people's experiences via a device called

00:48:28.300 --> 00:48:31.469
Squid. uh that's the basis of the film and the

00:48:31.469 --> 00:48:35.230
long and the short of it is ralph fein's character

00:48:35.230 --> 00:48:38.809
is involved in illegal distribution of people

00:48:38.809 --> 00:48:41.969
he's like a drug dealer yeah in memories precisely

00:48:41.969 --> 00:48:47.989
um he's becoming paranoid bad things are happening

00:48:47.989 --> 00:48:50.769
the world is kind of falling down around them

00:48:50.769 --> 00:48:52.610
coming up to the millennium everyone's scared

00:48:52.610 --> 00:48:56.840
of the millennium uh And it turns out his paranoia

00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:59.559
may have turned out to be somewhat genuine. Yeah,

00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:04.139
not a paranoia. It's an odd film. It is a very

00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:07.239
odd film, and it failed. If you read up on it,

00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.400
it failed when it was released, but it's slowly

00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:14.159
becoming more of a cult classic because, dare

00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:18.880
I say, back in 95, the world was not as jaded

00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:22.559
as it is now. And when you compare the storyline,

00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:24.460
which we'll talk about, no doubt, in a minute,

00:49:25.150 --> 00:49:27.389
to what's going on especially in the world in

00:49:27.389 --> 00:49:31.710
the past let's say six years alone jesus it mirrors

00:49:31.710 --> 00:49:35.789
it almost perfectly yeah one of the things i

00:49:35.789 --> 00:49:39.349
want to say about it one of the reasons i liked

00:49:39.349 --> 00:49:41.730
it is also one of the reasons i didn't like it

00:49:41.730 --> 00:49:44.309
yeah i'm very on the fence about this but there's

00:49:44.309 --> 00:49:46.889
a there's a very big reason why i don't like

00:49:46.889 --> 00:49:51.269
it which i'll get to later but the the kind of

00:49:51.269 --> 00:49:54.840
world building and the aesthetics of it It's

00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:58.019
very good. It's all very believable. Yes. You

00:49:58.019 --> 00:49:59.920
can completely believe that this thing would

00:49:59.920 --> 00:50:02.340
exist in its environment, and they've done a

00:50:02.340 --> 00:50:05.880
very good job, shot to shot, of making it all

00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:10.179
very believable. But that's also why I don't

00:50:10.179 --> 00:50:13.639
like it, because it's so fucking busy. There's

00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:18.000
so much crammed into every single shot to make

00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:21.840
you believe that that is there, that it's too

00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:25.789
much for me. But it then throws me out of it

00:50:25.789 --> 00:50:30.789
again because I'm like, there's too much dystopia

00:50:30.789 --> 00:50:33.969
in this five seconds. There's too many things

00:50:33.969 --> 00:50:37.170
on that table. The set designer must have had

00:50:37.170 --> 00:50:39.650
the most budget out of everyone on the film because

00:50:39.650 --> 00:50:41.889
there's so much, and they've done a very good

00:50:41.889 --> 00:50:44.590
job with it, but I think he went too far. And

00:50:44.590 --> 00:50:47.530
that Paul, whilst the kind of story and all the

00:50:47.530 --> 00:50:49.789
bits about it is... ringing me in because it's

00:50:49.789 --> 00:50:53.289
all very believable for a 1995 film I think it's

00:50:53.289 --> 00:50:54.809
more believable now than it would have been in

00:50:54.809 --> 00:50:58.769
1995 I then kind of bounce back again like I've

00:50:58.769 --> 00:51:00.929
just bounced off a trampoline because I'm now

00:51:00.929 --> 00:51:02.530
getting thrown back because it's just too much

00:51:02.530 --> 00:51:07.590
too much so I get what you're saying and I think

00:51:07.590 --> 00:51:10.269
the biggest issue that myself and Jem had on

00:51:10.269 --> 00:51:11.809
this because we sat down and watched it together

00:51:11.809 --> 00:51:16.960
length as well yeah it was You could have cut

00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:19.860
a good 30 minutes of the beginning. You did not

00:51:19.860 --> 00:51:22.500
need all the exposition that was going on to

00:51:22.500 --> 00:51:26.480
get the idea of what was going on. It was too

00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:29.960
up its own arse about trying to explain everything

00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:33.639
away. We didn't need the constant whining about

00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:36.820
his ex -girlfriend. That was five minutes of

00:51:36.820 --> 00:51:40.579
exposition, max required, not the... constant

00:51:40.579 --> 00:51:43.039
throwbacks that he's got cassettes of her memories

00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:45.320
laying about that he's constantly whinging away

00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:47.579
it just wasn't required she didn't live up to

00:51:47.579 --> 00:51:53.559
his hype either no but that's possibly the idea

00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:55.920
of the film though so i i get what you're saying

00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.320
yeah i think but the idea is he's relieving these

00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.579
perfect memories of someone who is imperfect

00:52:00.579 --> 00:52:02.659
yeah and i i agree i think you're absolutely

00:52:02.659 --> 00:52:04.659
right which is why i'm saying she didn't live

00:52:04.659 --> 00:52:06.360
up to the hype of it when you actually see her

00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:11.090
as like that memory it is it a real memory? Is

00:52:11.090 --> 00:52:14.769
it as beautiful as he has it recorded? So to

00:52:14.769 --> 00:52:17.750
explain the whole film to someone who hasn't

00:52:17.750 --> 00:52:20.590
seen it, the best way is to actually look at

00:52:20.590 --> 00:52:22.929
it in modern terms. So although in the film we

00:52:22.929 --> 00:52:24.550
have something called a squid, which they put

00:52:24.550 --> 00:52:26.809
on under a hairpiece, and as long as it's touching

00:52:26.809 --> 00:52:30.400
the skull... it records whatever the person has

00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:32.639
seen to a little digital recorder box, which

00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.719
uses mini discs, by the way. Love mini discs.

00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.079
Greatest, greatest, greatest media, I think,

00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:40.980
because it just looks cool anyway. And it records

00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:43.780
it to mini disc. And you're seeing what's seeing

00:52:43.780 --> 00:52:46.019
through their eyes. To kind of relate that to

00:52:46.019 --> 00:52:49.719
real life, imagine you're wearing a VR headset

00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:53.219
watching someone's day in their life through,

00:52:53.340 --> 00:52:57.320
let's say... ray -ban, meta -ray -ban, so you're

00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:00.780
watching literally eye -level footage as they're

00:53:00.780 --> 00:53:01.940
looking around. They move their head around.

00:53:02.179 --> 00:53:04.659
It's POV, isn't it? Yeah, you're seeing full

00:53:04.659 --> 00:53:07.460
-on POV from someone's glasses that are recording.

00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:09.900
You're feeling it too, that's the difference.

00:53:09.940 --> 00:53:12.019
That's the difference, yeah. The technology right

00:53:12.019 --> 00:53:16.659
now exists for the visual side. The feeling is

00:53:16.659 --> 00:53:19.199
the bit that makes it more like the drugs. You're

00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.940
not only experiencing this, and this is why...

00:53:23.260 --> 00:53:25.199
as much as the exposition at the beginning isn't

00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:28.019
required, you still need that robbery scene at

00:53:28.019 --> 00:53:30.500
the beginning. Because the idea is that, yeah,

00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:32.539
he's really upset by the fact he's been shown

00:53:32.539 --> 00:53:34.300
this video of a robbery where people have been

00:53:34.300 --> 00:53:37.119
murdered for no reason. Yeah, yeah. But he gets

00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.260
the idea of it because it's exhilarating and

00:53:39.260 --> 00:53:41.719
he's feeling the heart rate of the person doing

00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:44.820
it. And that was actually, I can imagine, put

00:53:44.820 --> 00:53:47.800
off a lot of people now. What is your stance

00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.349
on shaky cam films? I don't really, a lot of

00:53:52.349 --> 00:53:54.710
the time I'll get motion sick from that kind

00:53:54.710 --> 00:53:56.989
of stuff. Cloverfield I really struggled with.

00:53:57.090 --> 00:54:00.429
I enjoy Cloverfield, but I cannot stand the fact

00:54:00.429 --> 00:54:04.489
it's done in shaky cam. And the very first scene

00:54:04.489 --> 00:54:08.269
of this film we see is this robbery and this

00:54:08.269 --> 00:54:13.590
frantic robbery going on. So the footage is shaky.

00:54:14.110 --> 00:54:16.670
And I just remember we got halfway through that

00:54:16.670 --> 00:54:18.329
scene and me and Joe was like. If it's all going

00:54:18.329 --> 00:54:20.050
to be like this, I don't think I can watch this.

00:54:20.090 --> 00:54:26.030
But what was clever is not every time you see

00:54:26.030 --> 00:54:29.929
someone's vision, it's like that. And what made

00:54:29.929 --> 00:54:33.010
it clever was what you're watching, this first

00:54:33.010 --> 00:54:37.349
scene is frantic. It's manic. It's crazy. And

00:54:37.349 --> 00:54:39.030
that's why the camera is shaking about. It's

00:54:39.030 --> 00:54:41.070
not just because it's an action. It's because

00:54:41.070 --> 00:54:44.190
you're feeling this whole frantic, powerful energy

00:54:44.190 --> 00:54:46.650
this person has. And that's how they're conveying

00:54:46.650 --> 00:54:48.989
it. Because then when you get the happy memories

00:54:48.989 --> 00:54:50.989
he's got, even when he falls over on the skates,

00:54:51.050 --> 00:54:55.469
it's all nice, smooth camera. The scene, which

00:54:55.469 --> 00:54:57.989
I know we'll end up talking about later, which

00:54:57.989 --> 00:55:02.440
is horrendously brutal. it's a cold, calculated

00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:06.019
murderer. So everything is slow and it's steady.

00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.320
So actually, there's only one part of that whole

00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:11.679
shaky cam in that film that made me think, am

00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:14.079
I going to avoid this? And I do think if you've

00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:15.719
got an aversion to shaky cam, you're going to

00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:17.440
see that first bit in the scene and think, if

00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:19.239
this is what this film's about and this is what

00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:20.519
it's going to be, I can't watch this and they

00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.480
might turn it off. Don't, because it gets far

00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:28.099
better. And I've got to say, the filming's phenomenal.

00:55:29.340 --> 00:55:32.900
So it was filmed using an early version of Steadicam

00:55:32.900 --> 00:55:37.059
with the camera set at eye height. And there's

00:55:37.059 --> 00:55:42.219
several scenes which I openly said out loud,

00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:46.260
I'm blown away with how clever this has been

00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:49.130
done. It must have been done with handoffs and

00:55:49.130 --> 00:55:51.469
everything like that. So that initial scene of

00:55:51.469 --> 00:55:53.750
the robbery has been done. There's about six

00:55:53.750 --> 00:55:56.050
or seven handoffs in it where the camera is just,

00:55:56.090 --> 00:55:58.690
they get to a dark area. It's not stopped filming.

00:55:58.849 --> 00:56:00.630
They go through the dark area. And during that

00:56:00.630 --> 00:56:02.929
dark scene, the camera's been handed to the next

00:56:02.929 --> 00:56:06.150
stunt actor who's then carrying it. And when

00:56:06.150 --> 00:56:09.369
he falls off the roof, that's another stunt act.

00:56:09.429 --> 00:56:12.090
So the camera gets handed to him. as he's running

00:56:12.090 --> 00:56:15.289
to jump and you get that beautiful motion and

00:56:15.289 --> 00:56:18.849
the rape scene in it where he goes in that room

00:56:18.849 --> 00:56:22.510
climbs over the balcony and round it's all done

00:56:22.510 --> 00:56:26.409
in one shot and wow does it look good as much

00:56:26.409 --> 00:56:28.750
as it's a disturbing scene and i will come to

00:56:28.750 --> 00:56:30.449
that yeah i mean we might as well talk about

00:56:30.449 --> 00:56:33.759
it now since you've already touched it i really

00:56:33.759 --> 00:56:36.400
struggled because it happens two occasions in

00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:39.380
this film you see it so what you see is the point

00:56:39.380 --> 00:56:41.199
of the person you haven't seen at the point of

00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:45.179
view and it's a really fuck not only is rape

00:56:45.179 --> 00:56:47.719
terrible anyway but a fucked up way to kill someone

00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:51.239
so you see the murderer outside of everything

00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.800
else just to break it down but you see from his

00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:56.289
point of view He's raping somebody. But what

00:56:56.289 --> 00:57:01.449
makes it worse is he puts the thing on them so

00:57:01.449 --> 00:57:07.530
they see themselves being raped. And feeling

00:57:07.530 --> 00:57:11.070
what he's feeling. So you're trying to get your

00:57:11.070 --> 00:57:13.389
head ready. You are looking at yourself being

00:57:13.389 --> 00:57:16.030
raped while feeling the feelings of the rapist.

00:57:16.090 --> 00:57:17.809
So you're feeling the feelings of the rapist

00:57:17.809 --> 00:57:20.570
while feeling your own fear and seeing yourself

00:57:20.570 --> 00:57:23.670
getting raped and strangled to death at the same

00:57:23.670 --> 00:57:26.679
time. I really fucking struggled with it. Because

00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:31.159
I was not expecting it. We weren't. I absolutely

00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:35.880
detest that stuff in films. You can say whether

00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:38.360
there's a place for it in films or not. I absolutely

00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.360
hate it. And it happens twice in the film that

00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:44.239
I had to look away the first time. I didn't the

00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:45.619
second time because I was like, it's kind of,

00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:49.059
you know, I've been hit by it the first time.

00:57:49.099 --> 00:57:50.380
So when it happens, starts happening again the

00:57:50.380 --> 00:57:53.159
second time, I'm like, okay, just get through

00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:55.869
it and watch it. And I'm sorry, I might make

00:57:55.869 --> 00:57:57.969
me sound like a wimp. It nearly ruined the entire

00:57:57.969 --> 00:58:01.329
film for me because I hate it that much. No,

00:58:01.329 --> 00:58:03.650
absolutely. It's such an emotive and powerful

00:58:03.650 --> 00:58:08.030
scene, but it's just sheer evilness. And the

00:58:08.030 --> 00:58:11.010
fact that someone came up with that is the most

00:58:11.010 --> 00:58:13.570
disturbing. James Cameron, who wrote this, along

00:58:13.570 --> 00:58:16.309
with James Cocker, whatever the name was, came

00:58:16.309 --> 00:58:20.909
up with that idea. I know throughout history

00:58:20.909 --> 00:58:25.039
there's been serial killers. psychotic murderers

00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:28.679
who have made people watch horrible horrible

00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:30.960
things either happen to their families or happen

00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:37.380
to them this just you're right it felt like there's

00:58:37.380 --> 00:58:41.860
an extra level of sadisticness to it to do that

00:58:41.860 --> 00:58:44.800
to somebody and make them experience it at the

00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:47.780
same like to just get your head around rape rape

00:58:47.780 --> 00:58:50.900
full stop is bad enough especially when it's

00:58:50.900 --> 00:58:54.809
put into a film But then to add that extra layer

00:58:54.809 --> 00:58:58.070
of making them suffer through it twice in a different

00:58:58.070 --> 00:59:01.429
way just felt like it wasn't needed. You could

00:59:01.429 --> 00:59:04.449
have just had a pure rape scene there without

00:59:04.449 --> 00:59:07.570
having to make the person that's being killed

00:59:07.570 --> 00:59:11.610
off experience it in that way, which then in

00:59:11.610 --> 00:59:14.789
turn makes everyone watch it think, oh my, and

00:59:14.789 --> 00:59:19.110
I'm not sure it was required. When you see, because

00:59:19.110 --> 00:59:22.090
then Ralph finds his character. experiences it

00:59:22.090 --> 00:59:24.030
too because he puts the thing on his head and

00:59:24.030 --> 00:59:26.090
doesn't he act it beautifully though because

00:59:26.090 --> 00:59:30.929
the whole he is both in in the same scene at

00:59:30.929 --> 00:59:36.610
the exact same time he is he is feeling uh disgust

00:59:36.610 --> 00:59:41.349
and excess and arousal because he's feeling what

00:59:41.349 --> 00:59:45.030
the murderer is feeling which is just uh i can't

00:59:45.030 --> 00:59:47.690
i can't get the word out of my head just exhilaration

00:59:47.690 --> 00:59:50.909
and just yeah then he's having the time of his

00:59:50.909 --> 00:59:54.670
life and also his own feeling of it which is

00:59:54.670 --> 00:59:58.869
absolute fear disgust hatred at the same time

00:59:58.869 --> 01:00:02.369
and you can see it on his face yeah i mean he's

01:00:02.369 --> 01:00:06.309
going in between this kind of yeah yeah i mean

01:00:06.309 --> 01:00:09.050
ralph finds full stop is one of these actors

01:00:09.050 --> 01:00:12.630
out there that is just truly, truly wonderful.

01:00:12.809 --> 01:00:16.170
Whatever I've seen him in, often it's phenomenal.

01:00:17.550 --> 01:00:20.690
Taking it to modern standards 28 years later

01:00:20.690 --> 01:00:24.070
and the next one of that bone, whatever it was

01:00:24.070 --> 01:00:27.150
called. Bone sample, it's called. Wow, what an

01:00:27.150 --> 01:00:31.570
absolute masterpiece he plays within there. I

01:00:31.570 --> 01:00:33.769
can't think of, oh, The Menu. I don't know if

01:00:33.769 --> 01:00:36.989
you've ever seen it. He plays a chef and it's...

01:00:38.010 --> 01:00:39.889
The actress that's got the weird eyes, and I

01:00:39.889 --> 01:00:41.989
sound really bad saying that, but I can't think

01:00:41.989 --> 01:00:46.329
of what her name is. Anna Taylor -Joy? I don't

01:00:46.329 --> 01:00:53.650
know. Anyway, he plays a chef at a very luxurious

01:00:53.650 --> 01:00:56.889
island where basically rich people go to eat,

01:00:56.989 --> 01:01:01.570
but it turns out... Epstein Island? No. But it

01:01:01.570 --> 01:01:03.769
turns out that everyone that's been bought there

01:01:03.769 --> 01:01:05.250
has been bought there for a particular reason,

01:01:05.269 --> 01:01:08.699
whether it's because they're cheap. And basically,

01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:13.460
he kills off each person in there. And then Anna

01:01:13.460 --> 01:01:16.420
Taylor -Joy's character is just like, I don't

01:01:16.420 --> 01:01:18.579
want any of this shit, man. I just want a burger.

01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:26.019
It's one of those films, and Strange Days, interestingly,

01:01:26.340 --> 01:01:30.099
matches it in the same style. Whereas, and actually,

01:01:30.219 --> 01:01:32.519
No Country for Old Men, which we've not finished

01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:36.119
yet, but has the same feeling, which is... This

01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:39.699
is dragging, but I don't care and I can't look

01:01:39.699 --> 01:01:46.380
away. I know that this feels long, but it feels

01:01:46.380 --> 01:01:49.639
like it should be anyway and I don't mind. Whereas

01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:53.980
it's completely in... I can't think of a film

01:01:53.980 --> 01:01:56.539
now off the top of my head, but what you know

01:01:56.539 --> 01:01:59.780
in some films is this feels long and I am not

01:01:59.780 --> 01:02:02.500
enjoying it. Whereas these three films, just

01:02:02.500 --> 01:02:05.829
those three specifically... feel long and i love

01:02:05.829 --> 01:02:07.750
it and i'm there for it and i'm not going to

01:02:07.750 --> 01:02:10.949
turn it off i want to stay watching and strange

01:02:10.949 --> 01:02:17.250
days as much as um it did drag um i also didn't

01:02:17.250 --> 01:02:19.690
want to look away i did want to yeah no i sat

01:02:19.690 --> 01:02:21.409
there and focus on that i wasn't doing anything

01:02:21.409 --> 01:02:23.670
else in the meter i was focusing on it i want

01:02:23.670 --> 01:02:29.599
to say there's a there's a very good A well -acted,

01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:32.539
interesting scene, kind of near the end, where

01:02:32.539 --> 01:02:37.639
Ralph finds he gets into a nightclub and he goes

01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:39.599
up into some kind of security room. There's a

01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:41.880
guy in there with loads of screens around. Oh,

01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:43.900
that's a beautiful scene. And they do a trade,

01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:45.519
don't they? And he gives him one. And then you

01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:47.199
see this guy, you haven't seen him throughout

01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:50.219
the film at all, watches, I think, he's running

01:02:50.219 --> 01:02:53.500
on a beach. The point is, is when you first see

01:02:53.500 --> 01:02:56.519
him in there, he's got no legs. He's below the

01:02:56.519 --> 01:03:01.210
knee amputee. so yeah so and in the memory that

01:03:01.210 --> 01:03:03.829
he gets he's running on a beach and a beautiful

01:03:03.829 --> 01:03:05.989
woman is just running past and they have a slight

01:03:05.989 --> 01:03:08.130
interaction and she continues and he's just in

01:03:08.130 --> 01:03:10.730
absolute floods of tears yeah and then you get

01:03:10.730 --> 01:03:15.010
the shot of him enjoying the moment and then

01:03:15.010 --> 01:03:18.750
it's over and a sadness comes across his face

01:03:18.750 --> 01:03:22.269
and you there's an emotion he's so beautifully

01:03:22.269 --> 01:03:26.119
acted like It's so weird that I'm saying this

01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:29.139
about this film. Is he sad or is he so happy

01:03:29.139 --> 01:03:31.980
that he's just managed to have this feeling that

01:03:31.980 --> 01:03:34.639
he's not had for so long? And it's such a small,

01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:38.239
insignificant part of the film. But to just see

01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:42.539
all these people are displayed as addicts and

01:03:42.539 --> 01:03:45.940
everything throughout the whole film, except

01:03:45.940 --> 01:03:49.619
this moment. You just see, actually, here's somebody

01:03:49.619 --> 01:03:52.739
who just wants to experience a moment. Yeah,

01:03:52.780 --> 01:03:55.360
a moment that he'll never have again. Exactly.

01:03:55.460 --> 01:03:57.440
A moment he can never have, never have again.

01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:03.179
And the way I felt it was, a sadness comes across

01:04:03.179 --> 01:04:06.000
him when it's over. And I would say... And I

01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:08.400
pitied him at the end of it. That's the feeling

01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:11.440
it gave me. And it's such a tiny scene. Yeah.

01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:14.179
But it's so important because Ralph finds up

01:04:14.179 --> 01:04:17.340
to that point. You feel no sympathy for him because

01:04:17.340 --> 01:04:18.880
you think, actually, he's just a bit of a prick.

01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.679
You've just fucked over Mace, Angela Bassett's

01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:24.940
character, with meeting up with a Japanese businessman.

01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:27.679
You've just screwed her over and put her in a

01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:31.739
bad mood. Everything you're doing is about you.

01:04:31.820 --> 01:04:33.559
And then you suddenly get this one scene where

01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:37.219
you actually get the idea that he's not all bad.

01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:39.059
And that's when the character starts then expanding.

01:04:39.099 --> 01:04:42.360
You start realising, okay, so he isn't just this...

01:04:42.730 --> 01:04:45.710
prick this person peddling whatever he can he

01:04:45.710 --> 01:04:48.369
has got something more to him and i feel without

01:04:48.369 --> 01:04:52.570
that few seconds of a scene that may have been

01:04:52.570 --> 01:04:55.210
the death of the character full stop yeah now

01:04:55.210 --> 01:04:56.690
angela bassett's character we haven't talked

01:04:56.690 --> 01:04:59.030
about as a mace she turns up about quarter of

01:04:59.030 --> 01:05:03.289
the way in doesn't she yeah and she's just this

01:05:03.289 --> 01:05:07.719
hard ass no shit taking fantastic female character

01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:09.840
she's she's great in the whole film i loved it

01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:11.139
i think she's like my favorite character in the

01:05:11.139 --> 01:05:13.519
whole no absolutely she's got her her son at

01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:15.960
home her ex -husband's in jail for what he did

01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:19.760
um and yeah she basically bails him out every

01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:23.039
time because as the story goes on you find out

01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.579
he's the one that was looking after a kid when

01:05:25.579 --> 01:05:27.780
her husband was caught was it dealing drugs or

01:05:27.780 --> 01:05:31.789
whatever it was in the house yeah um and they've

01:05:31.789 --> 01:05:33.989
got this affinity before over it and she kind

01:05:33.989 --> 01:05:36.449
of feels like she owes him something and there's

01:05:36.449 --> 01:05:38.750
obviously the emotions of yeah and and love going

01:05:38.750 --> 01:05:40.670
on there that neither of them wants to really

01:05:40.670 --> 01:05:43.630
admit to and it's yeah it's just an absolutely

01:05:43.630 --> 01:05:46.389
wonderful role because she portrays it so brilliantly

01:05:46.389 --> 01:05:49.630
she portrays this i'm a strong independent woman

01:05:49.630 --> 01:05:53.849
but then also manages to portray i love this

01:05:53.849 --> 01:05:57.420
man but then also the I'm not going to accept

01:05:57.420 --> 01:05:59.880
that love because I need to look after my son

01:05:59.880 --> 01:06:02.679
more than anything. So you've got mother, lover,

01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:08.159
independent, all in one character. And she just

01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:11.280
exudes every single part of it. What she is is

01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:14.079
something that I've complained so much. Anyone

01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:16.099
that's listened to all of these shows, she's

01:06:16.099 --> 01:06:20.440
a well -written, well -acted female character

01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:23.159
who... What, you mean she's not... blonde white

01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:25.019
and screaming all the time as soon as something

01:06:25.019 --> 01:06:28.619
goes bang she is she has been the character has

01:06:28.619 --> 01:06:31.579
been treated like a lot of these people treat

01:06:31.579 --> 01:06:35.119
the male characters like a fucking human you

01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:38.179
know not just being used as this stamps and distress

01:06:38.179 --> 01:06:40.820
if anything Ralph Fiennes is the damsel in distress.

01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:42.980
Yes. You're bailing him out of the fucking time.

01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.739
100%. She's constantly like, get your head out

01:06:45.739 --> 01:06:48.199
of your fucking ass. Stop obsessing over this

01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:50.340
woman. Because it does feel like his obsessions

01:06:50.340 --> 01:06:52.559
with his ex is the reason why he's in the position

01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:55.820
he's in. You know, he was a very well -respected

01:06:55.820 --> 01:06:58.099
cop. Even his mate, who turns out to be the fucking

01:06:58.099 --> 01:07:00.380
arse of the film, is even saying to him, you

01:07:00.380 --> 01:07:02.599
used to be a cop. You know, now you're doing

01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:04.840
this. You should be able to do better than this.

01:07:04.900 --> 01:07:07.239
And obviously, Max obviously turns out to be

01:07:07.239 --> 01:07:10.340
the bad guy, which it becomes pretty obvious

01:07:10.340 --> 01:07:12.780
about the halfway mark that there's something

01:07:12.780 --> 01:07:15.880
not right. And the funny thing is, so you said

01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:17.559
earlier about them hiding the thing under their

01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:20.599
wicks. That guy is bald and everything. Yeah.

01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:23.199
He's bald in real life. And he had this wig.

01:07:23.260 --> 01:07:25.039
And the whole time I was like, that's a fucking

01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.380
shit wig. This guy's bald. And I kind of forgot

01:07:27.380 --> 01:07:29.199
about it. And then when you get the reveal where

01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:31.599
he pulls the wig off and he's actually the, he's

01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:34.280
the murderer. And he's got the thing on his tube.

01:07:34.300 --> 01:07:38.059
I was like, of course. I knew he was bald. I

01:07:38.059 --> 01:07:40.940
didn't see that. For me, that was a mic drop

01:07:40.940 --> 01:07:44.019
moment. I had a feeling he was the baddie because

01:07:44.019 --> 01:07:46.559
it was just. you know just the kind of way it

01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:48.460
was all setting up it felt like that it was probably

01:07:48.460 --> 01:07:50.559
going to be someone like him you know he's always

01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:53.900
around yeah but like that pulling the wig off

01:07:53.900 --> 01:07:56.320
all right he didn't ralph fines pull the wig

01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:58.239
off him or something i think it kind of falls

01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:00.460
off when he throws it off doesn't it yeah it's

01:08:00.460 --> 01:08:03.579
like oh of course it might for me penny drop

01:08:03.579 --> 01:08:09.719
moment you know um and the classic scene of you

01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:11.739
know the bad blue screen of him falling to his

01:08:11.739 --> 01:08:14.139
death but that's all pretty classic for that

01:08:14.139 --> 01:08:17.069
he's like yeah you know die yeah all those films

01:08:17.069 --> 01:08:20.170
were doing that kind of stuff uh yeah i mean

01:08:20.170 --> 01:08:23.970
yeah i think before we kind of talk about the

01:08:23.970 --> 01:08:25.829
other the other bits we like i think the biggest

01:08:25.829 --> 01:08:31.170
issue i think with this film for me um tonally

01:08:31.170 --> 01:08:34.850
there's too much going on a bit like you said

01:08:34.850 --> 01:08:37.109
at the very beginning about the environments

01:08:37.109 --> 01:08:39.930
being too loaded what was this trying to be was

01:08:39.930 --> 01:08:41.930
it trying to be cyberpunk was it being a noir

01:08:41.930 --> 01:08:44.210
thriller was it being political was it romance

01:08:44.210 --> 01:08:47.649
was it serial was it a mystery there's so much

01:08:47.649 --> 01:08:51.229
going on that it needed just to kind of sit with

01:08:51.229 --> 01:08:54.350
one of them but i kind of understand i can understand

01:08:54.350 --> 01:08:55.890
why they didn't because if you'd start with just

01:08:55.890 --> 01:08:58.449
the cyberpunk element it wouldn't have worked

01:08:58.449 --> 01:09:00.109
where would you have gone with it you needed

01:09:00.109 --> 01:09:01.810
to throw in something like the sexual assault

01:09:01.810 --> 01:09:04.890
the murder into it well so the massive you know

01:09:04.890 --> 01:09:07.689
we're completely bypassing the whole racial tension

01:09:07.689 --> 01:09:10.170
of it as well because that's a huge part of it

01:09:10.170 --> 01:09:12.630
but that's what i was just coming to that now

01:09:12.630 --> 01:09:15.369
then the bit that i can understand why people

01:09:15.369 --> 01:09:18.670
are when they discover it in recent years and

01:09:18.670 --> 01:09:21.250
i've got it listed here the social the end bomb

01:09:21.250 --> 01:09:23.710
that they they do right near the start Yeah.

01:09:24.630 --> 01:09:28.470
The hard, hard end bomb. The social themes to

01:09:28.470 --> 01:09:32.069
this then. 1995, let's think about it, there

01:09:32.069 --> 01:09:33.649
were always issues. That's right, there's been

01:09:33.649 --> 01:09:36.609
issues, we know that. But you've got police brutality,

01:09:36.970 --> 01:09:39.029
you've got racial injustice, you've got civil

01:09:39.029 --> 01:09:42.210
unrest, you've got systemic corruption, voyeuristic

01:09:42.210 --> 01:09:44.189
consumption of violence. These are good notes

01:09:44.189 --> 01:09:45.930
you've made here. Yeah, I've made a handful of

01:09:45.930 --> 01:09:52.420
notes. Yeah, back in 95, they might have hit

01:09:52.420 --> 01:09:55.779
hard then. Are they going to necessarily hit

01:09:55.779 --> 01:09:58.300
harder now? And I think the answer is yes, which

01:09:58.300 --> 01:10:00.859
is why discovering this film and watching it

01:10:00.859 --> 01:10:05.039
now, there's a lot you can kind of say, I know

01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:06.760
this is meant to be in the past, but fuck me,

01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:08.939
it feels very, very current. I mean, when this

01:10:08.939 --> 01:10:11.359
came out, I was only 10, so I wouldn't have understood

01:10:11.359 --> 01:10:14.500
any of it. But it'd be interesting if I was a

01:10:14.500 --> 01:10:17.340
40 -year -old man in 95 and watched this, and

01:10:17.340 --> 01:10:19.420
also a 40 -year -old man now and watched it.

01:10:20.010 --> 01:10:25.289
what i would think of it do i mean in both scenario

01:10:25.289 --> 01:10:27.750
i'd love to hear it from somebody who was a grown

01:10:27.750 --> 01:10:32.310
adult and how this film sat with them at that

01:10:32.310 --> 01:10:35.210
time period compared to how it sits now like

01:10:35.210 --> 01:10:37.590
what you're saying yeah i mean one of the other

01:10:37.590 --> 01:10:41.770
things i think is is really fun about it 95 and

01:10:41.770 --> 01:10:48.090
we get basically virtual reality We get body

01:10:48.090 --> 01:10:52.609
cameras and surveillance footage. Yep. Live streamed

01:10:52.609 --> 01:10:57.289
violence. What else have I got here? Social media,

01:10:57.529 --> 01:11:00.050
but with real experiences pretty much going on.

01:11:00.250 --> 01:11:03.010
And, oh, again, virtual reality I've put twice.

01:11:03.109 --> 01:11:06.729
But, yeah, these were things at 95. Virtual reality

01:11:06.729 --> 01:11:09.930
was limited to this giant big black pod with

01:11:09.930 --> 01:11:12.670
a giant black headset that you saw a couple of

01:11:12.670 --> 01:11:14.989
polygons in front of you and went, wow, I can

01:11:14.989 --> 01:11:17.699
interact with that. Amazing. or Craig Charles

01:11:17.699 --> 01:11:19.920
might shout a wooger at you with whatever his

01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:21.439
show was called, and I can't remember what the

01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:25.600
name of the show was now. But this literally

01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:29.119
has got things that we now just take for granted.

01:11:29.779 --> 01:11:32.479
Body -worn cameras. As I said earlier, Ray -Ban

01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:35.439
Metas, capturing your day -to -day life, and

01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:36.800
people are then just sticking it straight on

01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:40.029
social media and looking, oh, look at this. theft

01:11:40.029 --> 01:11:42.770
I saw in Kensington High Street someone stealing

01:11:42.770 --> 01:11:45.930
from Tesco's or someone being beaten up and I've

01:11:45.930 --> 01:11:47.489
just taken a step back and I'm filming on my

01:11:47.489 --> 01:11:51.090
camera this film has predicted that that is exactly

01:11:51.090 --> 01:11:54.630
what is happening and it's being sold to a market

01:11:54.630 --> 01:11:57.329
of people that want to watch it and what do we

01:11:57.329 --> 01:11:59.890
have we have TikTok we have YouTube and that's

01:11:59.890 --> 01:12:02.770
same footage of these horrible things happening

01:12:02.770 --> 01:12:05.529
just end up on there for people to consume yeah

01:12:05.529 --> 01:12:08.430
it's a horrible horrible link to make back but

01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:13.300
It predicted that. Yeah, the cyberpunk element

01:12:13.300 --> 01:12:18.359
of it, when I... This isn't the era of cyberpunk

01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:22.880
I like. So I like the further on. Like the game

01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:26.979
cyberpunk, I like the full -on body mod cyberpunk.

01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:30.560
Johnny Monomic. Yeah, that's the kind of cyberpunk

01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:34.020
I like. So this is, for me, it's kind of like

01:12:34.020 --> 01:12:37.050
the... The beginning stages of cyberpunk. I would

01:12:37.050 --> 01:12:40.329
suggest this is nowhere near cyberpunk. That's

01:12:40.329 --> 01:12:42.170
what they're classing it as, which is why I don't

01:12:42.170 --> 01:12:46.029
really... Yeah, I think maybe I wouldn't class

01:12:46.029 --> 01:12:48.970
it that. I think it's because they're just needing

01:12:48.970 --> 01:12:52.510
to call it something. Yeah. Because I would call

01:12:52.510 --> 01:12:56.869
cyberpunk body mods, cyber, you know. I would

01:12:56.869 --> 01:12:58.689
have said for this to be cyberpunk, I would have

01:12:58.689 --> 01:13:03.069
expected to have seen high -end laptops and...

01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:07.500
telecommunication that wasn't just not using

01:13:07.500 --> 01:13:11.119
old -fashioned cvs all of that i would have expected

01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:13.720
to have seen a little bit maybe towards things

01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:16.579
like blade runner well i'd say matrix is more

01:13:16.579 --> 01:13:19.380
cyberpunk in that you know like he's got the

01:13:19.380 --> 01:13:21.239
ports and he's but i know he's been put in by

01:13:21.239 --> 01:13:26.039
the ai existence yeah those things are more more

01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:28.399
it i think this felt like they've used the label

01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:30.699
of cyberpunk when really it's certainly sci -fi

01:13:30.699 --> 01:13:34.079
oh no it's science fiction but it's It's been

01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:37.859
mislabeled as cyberpunk because that one thing

01:13:37.859 --> 01:13:42.699
of the squid is not enough to call it cyberpunk,

01:13:42.779 --> 01:13:45.520
in my opinion. So you're saying existence is

01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:48.380
cyberpunk. Existence is, yeah, absolutely. Because

01:13:48.380 --> 01:13:50.779
you've got that weird bio -modding. It's all

01:13:50.779 --> 01:13:53.180
about a computer game. Squidgy thing you shove

01:13:53.180 --> 01:13:55.899
in your... The thing you're having sex with.

01:13:57.140 --> 01:14:02.659
The fuck pod. Yeah, exactly. That... Even then,

01:14:02.659 --> 01:14:04.899
to an extent, I'm not sure you could strictly

01:14:04.899 --> 01:14:09.359
call it cyberpunk. As much as it's a body mod

01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:12.239
thing, there's still not enough technology behind

01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:18.979
it. I kind of see cyberpunk being masses of technology

01:14:18.979 --> 01:14:22.500
that doesn't exist in the time that you're recording

01:14:22.500 --> 01:14:26.909
it. So things like holograms. flat laptops, mobile

01:14:26.909 --> 01:14:29.569
phones with giant screens. I think Blade Runner.

01:14:29.609 --> 01:14:31.949
I think Blade Runner. Blade Runner's a good example

01:14:31.949 --> 01:14:33.149
of cyberpunk. I think Blade Runner would be.

01:14:33.310 --> 01:14:37.649
Yeah, I think Blade Runner. Wow. Okay. So with

01:14:37.649 --> 01:14:41.550
all that, I'm so glad that we've done this roulette

01:14:41.550 --> 01:14:43.069
thing because we never would have watched this

01:14:43.069 --> 01:14:46.149
ever. This was great. I think we've had a really

01:14:46.149 --> 01:14:49.109
nice conversation about this film. But leaving,

01:14:49.270 --> 01:14:53.289
coming away from it. did you actually enjoy it

01:14:53.289 --> 01:14:55.229
do you would you recommend someone watch it absolutely

01:14:55.229 --> 01:14:59.710
if you're looking for a film to sit down and

01:14:59.710 --> 01:15:03.029
actually pay attention to so so often we end

01:15:03.029 --> 01:15:06.470
end up saying a film is oh it's it's background

01:15:06.470 --> 01:15:08.949
trash put it on you'll enjoy it but it doesn't

01:15:08.949 --> 01:15:10.829
need you to closely pay attention whereas this

01:15:10.829 --> 01:15:14.770
one it's a slog you are going to feel it at the

01:15:14.770 --> 01:15:18.170
end but i do feel that the conclusion of the

01:15:18.170 --> 01:15:21.560
film is worthwhile Because the ending is, again,

01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:24.159
it's done brilliantly. Again, it's an ending

01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:28.000
you do not expect. You get rewarded for persevering.

01:15:28.220 --> 01:15:30.979
It's all over the place. Because you don't know,

01:15:31.020 --> 01:15:34.560
suddenly you're thrown into turmoil. Is it actually

01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:36.539
going to work out now? Isn't it going to work

01:15:36.539 --> 01:15:38.420
out? I mean, we haven't even talked about the

01:15:38.420 --> 01:15:40.939
fact that one of the... the two police officers

01:15:40.939 --> 01:15:43.880
in it that are basically core to the police brutality,

01:15:44.140 --> 01:15:46.300
killing the music artist and then going after

01:15:46.300 --> 01:15:49.119
them. They're both pretty fucking big actors.

01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:52.319
They're both huge actors. I'm really, really

01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:53.779
quickly going to look them up because I want

01:15:53.779 --> 01:15:56.359
to get their names right. So one of them is Vincent

01:15:56.359 --> 01:15:59.439
DeFornio. Vincent DeFornio, who you will know

01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:06.760
from Men in Black, from... He's Kingpin in the

01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:11.119
new Daredevil stuff. Oh, is he? Yeah. Oh, I didn't

01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:15.180
know that. He's in Full Metal Jacket. He's Private

01:16:15.180 --> 01:16:17.539
Pyle in Full Metal Jacket. He's in The Cell.

01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:21.739
He's in a huge number of films and he's immediately

01:16:21.739 --> 01:16:26.310
recognisable. And then you've got his... compatriot

01:16:26.310 --> 01:16:28.989
william fitchner who you will again have seen

01:16:28.989 --> 01:16:31.909
and know anything he's colon colonel william

01:16:31.909 --> 01:16:34.270
sharp i think his name is in armageddon he's

01:16:34.270 --> 01:16:37.369
in blackhawk down he's in everything that guy

01:16:37.369 --> 01:16:40.529
he's one of those actors yeah he's just he's

01:16:40.529 --> 01:16:44.409
always a bit part but it's a big bit part it's

01:16:44.409 --> 01:16:46.489
it's a bit part that's required for the film

01:16:46.489 --> 01:16:49.390
to progress rather than just being a bit part

01:16:49.390 --> 01:16:51.229
everyone would know if you don't know his name

01:16:51.229 --> 01:16:53.289
you know him as soon as you see him you'd go

01:16:53.770 --> 01:16:56.289
Oh, the one that vaguely looks like... He's like

01:16:56.289 --> 01:16:58.949
a Kevin Bacon. You know what I mean? He's in

01:16:58.949 --> 01:17:04.050
everything. Yeah. I'm just thinking, who does

01:17:04.050 --> 01:17:08.050
he... In my head, I know it's absolutely not

01:17:08.050 --> 01:17:11.710
him. He's Budget Christopher Walken. Yeah, I

01:17:11.710 --> 01:17:15.010
mean... Doesn't look like him. Yeah, I get it.

01:17:15.930 --> 01:17:17.869
There's just something about him that's very...

01:17:17.869 --> 01:17:21.439
Anyway. Would I recommend it? Yeah, I absolutely

01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:25.079
would. But with the caveat, you would need to

01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:27.079
be sitting down. You need to kind of watch it

01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:29.300
in one go because I feel it's not one you can

01:17:29.300 --> 01:17:31.539
split. You've got to watch the whole thing. You're

01:17:31.539 --> 01:17:34.279
going to have to watch the whole thing. And you

01:17:34.279 --> 01:17:36.960
really have to be in the mood for a fairly brutal

01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:41.039
film that requires you to think. It's not one

01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:43.220
that you can just sit down and half -ass your

01:17:43.220 --> 01:17:45.640
way through because there's a lot to make the

01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:50.979
connections and to feel what the... um director

01:17:50.979 --> 01:17:53.739
the writers and actually what the characters

01:17:53.739 --> 01:17:56.560
are meant to be feeling you have to pay attention

01:17:56.560 --> 01:17:59.699
yeah yeah you've got to focus on the whole thing

01:17:59.699 --> 01:18:02.039
you are going to miss stuff because it kind of

01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:05.359
slips important bits into you in in between the

01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:07.899
the drudgery of some of the other bits i'm the

01:18:07.899 --> 01:18:11.180
same i i agree with you i know i have made my

01:18:11.180 --> 01:18:13.000
comments about some of the aesthetics of it and

01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:15.819
i really really really was against those two

01:18:15.819 --> 01:18:18.659
scenes but that's what the film is and overall

01:18:19.630 --> 01:18:22.310
It, you know, it makes you really hate the fucking

01:18:22.310 --> 01:18:24.390
bad guy. And at the end of the day, you want

01:18:24.390 --> 01:18:27.390
to hate the bad guy. There was no shades of gray

01:18:27.390 --> 01:18:31.050
on that bad guy. Nope. You know, it does it perfect.

01:18:31.170 --> 01:18:33.470
The girl that he's chasing is actually a complete

01:18:33.470 --> 01:18:37.010
cunt. You know, again, there's no shades of gray

01:18:37.010 --> 01:18:39.670
with her either. You like, you, you think that

01:18:39.670 --> 01:18:42.350
she's being manipulated. She ain't, she's an

01:18:42.350 --> 01:18:45.039
asshole too. She's one of the instigators of

01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:47.439
the whole fucking thing. She knew exactly what's

01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:50.779
going on from day one. She has no redeeming characteristic

01:18:50.779 --> 01:18:53.539
by the end of it. I do recommend it for all the

01:18:53.539 --> 01:18:56.399
exact same reasons of you. As you said, I recommend

01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:59.140
it. Watch it all the way through. Don't go on

01:18:59.140 --> 01:19:02.579
your phone. Just muscle through some of it. Yeah.

01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:06.399
And I'm just going to say, I'm hoping people

01:19:06.399 --> 01:19:08.260
that are just joining the show now and have listened

01:19:08.260 --> 01:19:10.239
to the old episodes realise we've actually managed

01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:12.979
to talk. just over 30 minutes for this film that's

01:19:12.979 --> 01:19:15.640
impressive yeah and we've actually been making

01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:18.000
in my opinion valid points anyway maybe people

01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:20.079
won't agree with us but what the fucking hell

01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:22.000
do we care what other people think no but this

01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:25.420
is the point going on films that we know yeah

01:19:25.420 --> 01:19:27.779
we've never spoken for this long it's always

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been it's been good so go and watch it i'd i'd

01:19:31.300 --> 01:19:33.359
hope people will feed back to us and go actually

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no this has made it so much more interesting

01:19:36.189 --> 01:19:38.149
actually hearing about the film i hope so because

01:19:38.149 --> 01:19:40.069
as we said that we would never have chosen this

01:19:40.069 --> 01:19:42.430
before i'm so glad we chose i never would have

01:19:42.430 --> 01:19:45.130
watched it in a million years and yeah as you

01:19:45.130 --> 01:19:48.170
say please let us know if you've liked us talking

01:19:48.170 --> 01:19:50.890
about this one and i hope whatever we get on

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the next one is as good well fingers crossed

01:19:53.369 --> 01:20:02.909
let's let's find out transfer complete Right,

01:20:03.130 --> 01:20:05.989
so here we are, Untitled Roulette. Let's see

01:20:05.989 --> 01:20:08.069
if we get something as good, shall we? So I'll

01:20:08.069 --> 01:20:11.069
spin it. We need to discuss the rules of if it's

01:20:11.069 --> 01:20:12.869
something we've already seen. Then you just spin

01:20:12.869 --> 01:20:23.449
again. Okay, fine. Here we go. Right. Aliens.

01:20:23.510 --> 01:20:26.899
We've seen that. Spin again. What's annoying

01:20:26.899 --> 01:20:30.420
is that's literally spun that twice. Yeah, we

01:20:30.420 --> 01:20:33.579
got aliens in front of the first time. District

01:20:33.579 --> 01:20:36.760
9. District 9. We've spoke about it. We've spoke,

01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:38.539
but we've not watched it for the show. It's been

01:20:38.539 --> 01:20:39.579
on the intro as well, but we haven't watched

01:20:39.579 --> 01:20:42.500
it for the show. District 9. Cool. So District

01:20:42.500 --> 01:20:51.479
9, 2009. Blomkamp? I think the director is. Let

01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:54.609
me get it up. Great film. I've seen it. I saw

01:20:54.609 --> 01:20:57.930
it at the cinema. I was very blown away with

01:20:57.930 --> 01:21:02.069
it the first time I saw it. Features people that

01:21:02.069 --> 01:21:06.569
you'll immediately recognise. So Sholto Copley

01:21:06.569 --> 01:21:12.550
is the Vickers van der Meer. Again, you'll recognise

01:21:12.550 --> 01:21:16.590
him from various films. Neil Blomkamp is the

01:21:16.590 --> 01:21:22.479
director and it did very well. Scores 7 .9 on

01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:26.500
IMDb. Let's see if we agree. I remember really

01:21:26.500 --> 01:21:29.300
liking it. I think I've got it on Blu -ray too.

01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:32.579
Yeah, I think I've got it on... Sorry, I won't

01:21:32.579 --> 01:21:33.859
need to download that from anywhere. I've got

01:21:33.859 --> 01:21:35.699
it on Old Fashioned Media, which will save us

01:21:35.699 --> 01:21:37.100
a bit of money. In fact, I might have it on DVD

01:21:37.100 --> 01:21:39.680
rather than Blu -ray. Anyway, it's upstairs somewhere.

01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:43.039
I'll find it. Yeah, I remember really liking

01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:47.699
it. And I'm sure I'll like it again. I'm sure

01:21:47.699 --> 01:21:55.779
we will. Command functions are offline. Well,

01:21:55.939 --> 01:21:59.659
thank you, everybody, for listening. Thank you,

01:21:59.659 --> 01:22:02.220
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to our Ko -Fi supporters. That is Karen, that

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01:22:10.119 --> 01:22:13.859
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01:22:13.859 --> 01:22:16.880
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01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:18.060
them down, I think, for next time. We've got

01:22:18.060 --> 01:22:20.680
a lot of people that share a lot of my... sci

01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:23.840
-fi posts very frequently on the old socials

01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:26.539
so thank you to you if you do actually listen

01:22:26.539 --> 01:22:33.680
um but yeah we are studio channel 84 we are part

01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:36.359
of an indie podcast network we also have another

01:22:36.359 --> 01:22:38.699
show called the variety show and as i always

01:22:38.699 --> 01:22:42.569
say that's like i feel like as our main one But

01:22:42.569 --> 01:22:45.130
also, part of our network, we have Karen and

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Adam from Lightly Used. We have Ross and Simon

01:22:47.170 --> 01:22:51.130
from... Oh, shit. Who takes the socks off? Why

01:22:51.130 --> 01:22:53.869
is it so hard? I really don't understand why.

01:22:54.029 --> 01:22:56.069
I was so confident that I was going to get it

01:22:56.069 --> 01:22:58.170
right. I was even saying it fast. I was so confident.

01:22:58.329 --> 01:23:01.989
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01:23:21.829 --> 01:23:26.310
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01:23:26.310 --> 01:23:28.210
will be on there soon. I'm going to organise

01:23:28.210 --> 01:23:30.369
with Tom. You're going to watch me playing it.

01:23:31.480 --> 01:23:33.460
Absolutely. You'll probably get Miranda to play

01:23:33.460 --> 01:23:35.340
it a bit more because obviously as soon as I

01:23:35.340 --> 01:23:36.939
start playing it, she then won't be able to.

01:23:37.119 --> 01:23:39.840
So it might be after people have heard this next

01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:42.819
week, it might be a week after. So I'll miss

01:23:42.819 --> 01:23:46.300
the time. That's probably good to have it on

01:23:46.300 --> 01:23:48.520
YouTube. But, you know, we're not really about

01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:51.260
that, are we? We're just doing it for fun. But

01:23:51.260 --> 01:23:55.840
yeah, we'll be back in two weeks with conversations

01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:57.840
about District 9. Maybe we'll watch another Star

01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:01.979
Trek before then. And you'll hear us next week

01:24:01.979 --> 01:24:05.060
on The Variety Show. Thank you very much, Tom.

01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:07.800
Thank you very much, darling. Love you. Love

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