There's something in those trees. I'm not a fool,
Blizzcon. Call me Snake. Anyway, you breathe
liquid so you can't get compressed. The pressure
doesn't get you. You mean you got liquid in your
lungs? How many assholes we got on this ship,
anyhow? Yo! You knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes.
The only true wisdom consists in knowing that
you know nothing. Excuse me. I have to go. Somewhere
there is a crime happening. Hello and welcome
to the Untitled Sci -Fi Show. Also now known
as Sci -Fi United. Sci -Fi United. Sci -Fi United.
How are you doing? Yeah, not bad, mate. Not bad.
How are you? Tired today, but I'm alright. I
think we're all feeling that. Partly it's the
heat for me, but also kind of just taking on
the household roles here while Gem's healing
from her surgery that they don't need to know
about, but she had surgery, so I'm kind of trying
to take hold of the household and kid care and
everything like that. Mummy and daddy at the
moment, are you? Yeah. Oh, how cute. Well, I've
got the tits for it, so it's fine. Do you mean
it's literally the same diploma, like in a time
travel way? Timey -wimey. Timey -wimey? Yep.
Am I six? It's fascinating. So, last episode's
Guess the Intro was all video games. It was,
and I really struggled. There's only one in there
that I'm pretty sure I got. Okay. Well, we have
a winner. Okay. And that winner got the answer
sent to me on direct message to me at like seven
in the morning on the Monday. Okay. And that
is Matt. Of course. From A Pint of Cthulhu. So
well done, Matt. He always listens like first
thing on a Monday while he's, I guess, he's doing
something at the... Yeah, I think he's, unless
we end up with listeners in the US, I think Matt's
probably one of the first people that listen
to a show on release. Yeah, he's quite consistent.
So thank you, Matt, for the support. And well
done for being the winner this week. So that's,
you can find Matt on the wonderful podcast called
A Pint of Cthulhu. It's like a tabletop RPG kind
of podcast, and they do kind of D &D stuff. I'm
not going to be able to explain it very well,
but you can find him on At A Point Of Cthulhu.
Cthulhu is spelled C -T -H -U -L -H -U, by the
way, everyone. Yeah, a nice simple spelling.
Yeah, and that's how I pronounce it. Someone
might pronounce it a different way. It doesn't
matter. I say Cthulhu. Anyway, At A Point Of
Cthulhu on Twitter. Pretty sure they're on Blue
Sky 2. It's probably the same handle. There's
a few of them. They've been on here. They've
done stuff with us before. We've even been on
their show before. We have, yes. Friends of the
podcast, we shall say. Anyway, so thank you,
Matt. Well done. And you reckon you got one,
potentially? I'm pretty sure I got one, yes.
Well, let's unmute that first before I press
play on here. That's a good idea. So here we
go. Oh, actually, how loud is this going to be?
Let's find out. I'm Andrew Ryan, and I'm here
to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled
to the sweat of his brow? Okay. So I've got no
idea, but I'm going to say from the sound of
it, from the general style Bioshock of some variety.
Bioshock. Oh, shit. The very first one. I think
it's the intro. It might be either when you're
going down. You've played it right. When you're
going down in the lift. Andrew Ryan's the guy
who invented it. Yeah, and he's explaining the
world. Okay, fine. Yeah, so you're right. Yeah,
well done. It's a really good game. Funny enough,
I'm one of these people who skip cutscenes, so
that's what made this even harder for me. It's
like, if I can skip a cutscene, I will. Yeah,
because I did manage to get dialogue from everything.
Because before I said, if I can't get dialogue,
I'll do an iconic sound, but I got dialogue for
everything. Right, okay. Is that the one that
you thought you got? No. Okay. If you don't get
one of them, then I'm going to come over there
and slap you. Oh, no, no, no. I'm pretty sure.
Slap the glasses off your face. You say that.
It's, again, difficult knowing. Is it number
one or number two? I thought it was pretty iconic
that it's number two. Right, okay. I will get
there anyway for everyone else who isn't a mind
reader. I know what you're thinking, and it's
crazy. So, stay here. Okay, so that... Having
heard it on the earphones now... Earphones. Headphones,
earphones. We'll talk about earphones in a minute.
Is that the original Halo? Is that Master Chief
and... Yeah, it's Master Chief and Katana. I'll
accept Halo as an answer. I don't care what Halo.
I don't even know what Halo it was from. Oh,
you see, I've never played anything but Halo
1. It's probably a remastered version of Halo
1. Probably. So I had Halo 1 on the original
Xbox, and the first time I completed that was
in co -op with a friend of mine, and we used
to go around his house with it, plug it in, and
then we'd spend the evening playing it. How funny.
So mine's the same, but I was on holiday with
a friend. And in the place that we were renting,
they had an Xbox. I remember you saying about
this. Neither of us had an Xbox. We'd never played
on one before. It had the giant Duke controllers,
two giant Duke controllers, and Halo. I loved
the Duke controller. And we were like, what is
this thing? We knew what an Xbox was, but we'd
never seen one in real life before. We've done
the story on the Verizon show. I think we may
have done it on the Untitled Sci -Fi show. I
worked a game in Watford. I was in charge of
doing the pre -sales because nobody else wanted
to. We sold the most pre -sales in the UK for
Watford. We did the midnight opening. And at
the end of it, we sold the most consoles, games
and hardware in the evening across all the game
stores across the UK. And the boss said, right,
there's some left behind that he'd squirreled
away. And we got super staff discounts and got
them at a stupid price with extra controller,
DVD remote. And I think I got the two games I
got with it was Halo and the Rally Sport game,
which was this most amazing rally game. Just
take me back. That first moment where we played
that on this ginormous machine, like, there's
some feeling about that that I don't get now
on new games. Oh, God, no. No, no, no, no. I
think maybe it's just because I've played so
many new games quite a lot. I think something
like Games Pass gives you the opportunity to
play so many new games. That magic of one new
game every six months is gone. Excluding the
Xbox 360. I would genuinely say, for me, the
magic of gaming stopped at the original Xbox,
PlayStation 2, and GameCube. That generation
of consoles there was the end for me. Everything
past that, excluding the 360, because that had
probably a far more... cooperative gameplay and
group gaming, which I'd missed from the days
of doing LAN parties with friends and PCs. So
the 360 kind of developed on its own. But for
the magic of gaming, original Xbox, GameCube,
PS2, that was the end of it. Well, that's where
we all bonded on the 360, really. It is, yeah.
Battlefield. Yeah, but we completed it on that
holiday. We completed Halo on that holiday. Like,
we'd go out and spend the day or whatever and
then we'd come home and then, like, you know,
we could have gone to the pool and stuff. It
was like, let's play Halo. And powered through
it. Nice. So, yeah, that was Halo. So, well done.
Next one. Shepard, you're dead. I got better.
I like that. But I got better. Again, I've got
no idea about this one. There's one... The clue's
in the name. Yeah, the name Shepard rings a bell.
Again, it's not a series I've played and I cannot
think of the name of it. I'm trying to picture
what the game cover was. I think the game cover's
got a lot of blue in it. So there's actually
four of them. Yeah. There's a trilogy and then
an extra one. The fourth one, whilst I liked
it, got kind of panned because it was very buggy
and they never bothered fixing it. The fourth
one was called Andromeda. Does that help you?
No, because again, I've never played any of the
series. Okay, so it's Mass Effect. Mass Effect.
So I can just about picture the first cover or
the cover for one of them. Yeah. And I couldn't
picture the name. I knew the name Shepard weirdly,
and I don't know why. I think that might have
been previous times when I used to listen to
very geeky podcasts about games before I kind
of packed podcasting in listening to it for a
while. But do you know who Miracle Sound is?
No. He's a guy that makes... He makes some amazing
metal, by the way. I'll link you his metal album.
Okay. But he also does songs based on games,
and he's done a few Mass Effect ones, and there's
one called something Shepard, whatever it is,
Commander Shepard, and it's quite a well -known
one. Oh, okay, cool. Okay, yeah, that was Mass
Effect. I don't know which one again. It doesn't
matter. The right man in the wrong place can
make all the difference in the world. Okay. That's
Half -Life 2. We know it's Half -Life 2. I still
found it hard to determine between one or two.
I'd gone with two being the more likely. But
the G -Man's speeches in both of them are just
iconic speeches. Yeah, this is the opening speech.
I thought if I gave anyone more than that, it'd
be too easy. But I thought it's just anybody
that knows gaming culture at all will know who
that is. What I've never known, is it a computerised
voice? No, I thought it was a real actor doing
the voice. Because it's so weird. Well, while
you're looking, let me have a quick look. Not
only does it actually sound odd, just the inflections
of where they speak and stop. It sounds like
a really old text -to -speech kind of bot. Just
very, very odd. Yeah, but I think that may have
partly been the idea. No, that was by a man called
Mike Shapiro. And he's played the G -Man in all
of them. Isn't that like an American politician?
I've got no idea. He's got, oh, and that's Ben
Shapiro. Okay, right. He's a voice in Dota 2.
Are you Ben Shapiro? Fuck off. He's been in Law
& Order Special Victims. He's in Horizon Forbidden
West. Was he a victim in Law & Order Special
Victims? He was the coroner in Organised Crime.
In Special Victims, he's a doctor, so it could
be, or he could be the doctor that's fiddling
people. He was in Grand Theft Auto 5, Half -Life
2, all the episodes of that. He's been in a lot.
He was Barney in Half -Life Blue Shift. Oh, really?
Okay. So that means he must have been Barney
in all of them, because it's the same guy. What's
Half -Life Decay? Half -Life Decay. I have never
heard of Half -Life Decade. I don't think I've
heard of that either. What a shame that they
haven't done a third one. Hang on. Right, so
you had Half -Life. Then you had Half -Life Opposing
Force. Then you had a really big disappointment,
which was Half -Life Blue Shift, where you play
Barney. I didn't mind that. It was just too short
compared to the other two and how good Opposing
Force had been. But then... I don't know that
one. I've never heard of this. What was it on
PC? Oh, this is the only Half -Life game exclusive
to a home console. I have no idea. Well, it must
have been an Xbox Live Arcade game. This is a
game that I've never played. And I'm genuinely
rude. I'm going to call it out as a live arcade
game. Oh. Okay, this gets weirder and weirder.
Half -Life Decay is a multiplayer -only expansion
pack of Valve's first -person Half -Life shooter,
Half -Life, published by Sierra Online, part
of the PlayStation 2 version of Half -Life in
2001. It's the third expansion pack. Well, no,
it's not. Oh, it's a cooperative multiplayer
game. Huh, interesting. Designed to be played
by two people working together to pass through
the game's levels. It was not a critical success,
but was received with some positivity. You know
what? We might have to dig that out for PlayStation
2 and give this a try. Is that a very, very...
Yeah, the game is unique in the context of Half
-Life. In that it is the only game divided into
separate missions. I wonder if this is where
they got part of the idea from for Portal. You
say it was on PS2? It's PlayStation 2. Oh. EU
released November 30th, 2001. I don't know if
it's part of the original PlayStation 2 disc.
Did it get its own... It felt... So a number
of reviews stated that the game simply felt like
little more than an extra add -on for the PlayStation
2 version of Half -Life. I'm going to look into
this as I feel like that that's something we
could have a bit of fun with. Oh yeah, I'm looking
at a picture of it right now. And there's people
posting that there's a PC version. Yeah, how
do I play Half -Life Decay nine months ago? Oh.
There's a mod. Okay, well, we'll have to have
a play with that then and see about that because
we like co -operative games. But anyway, let's
get back to the quiz. Sorry, everyone. We went
a little tangent there. We wouldn't be the tangent
podcast without it. Okay, next one. He's fucked
in the head. The world's fucked in the head.
And you're fucked in the head because my fucked
up head is inside it. Okay, well... That I've
got no idea about. Well, it's a modern, modern
game. It's cyberpunk. Oh, okay. And that is...
Is that Keanu Reeves? It's Keanu Reeves, yeah.
Oh. Who plays a prominent character. Yeah, I've
never played Cyberpunk. Fun fact, the people
that made Cyberpunk own good old games, GOG .com.
Oh, do they? They do, which is why GOG .com had
Cyberpunk for sale straight away. What are they
called? Red something, something, something,
something, something, whatever they're fucking
called. Because they make Witcher too, don't
they? CD Projekt Red. CD Projekt Red, that's
the one. Yeah, I didn't realise it. It's literally
something I... Yeah, part of the CD Projekt group.
Lovely stuff. Right, next one. We will send unto
them only you. Rip and tear. I thought you'd
get that. I purposely left that last little bit
in specifically for you. Is that... Did... Dead
Space or... No. Go on then, what was it? Doom.
Which one? The new ones. Oh, well, no. So, don't
get me wrong, Doom 1 and 2 are my jam. I love
those games. Doom 3, I didn't particularly like,
but I have a far better understanding of it as
a game now. I've grown up a little bit and just
not gone with it. This isn't Doom 1 or 2, I don't
like it. As... Many teenagers did. So I've gone
back and played it since and realised it's actually
a really good game, Doom 3. I've always liked
Doom 3. Then we came to Doom 2016, I think the
first new Doom was. That's the one this is from.
I think it is from this one. I thoroughly enjoyed
it. I found it a little bit too hard in some
ways. Not a fan of learning patterns, for example,
as we've discussed before. Obviously the final
boss to that is a real, you've just got to learn
the pattern and then you can destroy them, but
it was a fairly simple pattern. I never got to
the end. So I enjoyed the first one. Then we
got Doom Eternal. Yeah, I don't know if I played
it. I tried it on Game Pass and what they've
tried to make it is platforming and more melee
attacks than anything. In fact, no, sorry, that's
not fair to say. They made it more platforming,
more than anything. So it's still a first -person
shooter, but there's a lot more puzzle and platforming
going on in it. And I got maybe about a third
of the way through and got bored of it. I was
like, no, not enjoying this. And then we've now
got Doom the Dark Ages coming out, and it's now
all about melee weapons instead. And it's so
far removed from what I grew up with as Doom.
I don't like the look of it. There's a sword
and a shield, right? Yeah, there's sword, there's
shield, there's a chain fist, there's all sorts
of things. And it's just like, I don't want that.
I want my original Doom. That's why I like Doom
2016 to the extent I did. It felt more like a
modern Doom experience. You run, you gun, run,
you gun, you run, you gun. Eternal, you had to
think about things. And this looks like you've
got to do way more thinking, way more. getting
really into it and that's just not the style
of gameplay i like it's not not the sort of gameplay
person i am when it comes to first person shooters
i like taking things out at a distance and maybe
you could say playing it safely i don't know
but that's the sort of style i am i don't want
to be forced to go into it and the whole mechanic
of you have to get health and stuff by finishing
moves basically I got on with just about for
the original Doom because it wasn't too bad.
There were health stuff and it feels like this
is going to be purely the only way you're going
to get through it is basically making sure you
get properly stuck in. Yeah. I mean, I liked
the 2016 one. I think that's where this music's
from. It could be from any of those three. I
mean, great soundtrack to the original, this
Doom. Oh, brilliant. They've been great for a
while. But the thing about the Rip and Tear song
was it was... which is kind of why they got that
Rip and Tear thing, I guess, from. It was the
guy who composed all the music for that game,
he made the Rip and Tear one, which is the one
that everyone knows. He made that first, and
they didn't like it. The developers didn't like
it. So they said, go away and make some more.
So he went and made some more, and it got all
the way to the end of development, and they were
like, we just need one more song. And he's like,
well, I've got this one. Just put this one in.
So they did, and it turned out that was the one
everyone loved. That's the one everyone loves.
Yeah, how funny is that? But Doom is one of those
interesting franchises that they could have done
a lot more with it earlier on and didn't. We
got a very cheesy, crappy film starring The Rock,
which there's one or two good bits to it, but
it's a bit of a travesty calling it Doom. The
fact that they mainly based it on bloody Doom
3 is the odd choice of things to do there. um
but then we got quake out of doom because doom
existed we got quake and i am a huge fan of the
original quake and quake 2 big big big fan and
i spent many hours playing quake 3 on pc online
and um quake 4 not so much actually i found that
a bit of a slog but again it kind of got into
that realm of doom 3 and it just they started
doing too much with it rather than just having
as a Simple storyline, simple missions, just
get through them all. They tried to make it a
bit more than it was, and yeah, it fell a bit
flat in my opinion. But that's it. You got nearly
all of them. Nearly all of them. Yeah, okay,
I didn't get two in the end. So no, I'm surprised
actually, because when I first listened to it,
I was listening to it in the car, and it's like,
I know Half -Life, I don't know any of the others.
Yeah. But Matt got them. So well done, Matt.
Wonderful. Good job. And the one that everyone
heard at the start of this episode was an 80s
special. They're all films from the 80s. Winner,
winner, chicken dinner. Good luck, everybody.
And that's 20 minutes of the show. Oh, my God.
It's like... X -ray blankets. X -ray blankets.
Radiation free. Right, let's put ourselves on
fast forward. Right, OK. What have you been up
to? Sci -fi wise, very little. Watched a film
called K -Pax. Realised now that it's another
cancelled person. Oopsie. Oh, is it? Who's cancelled
in that then? It's Kevin Spacey. Oh. Yeah. Well,
he's been super cancelled, hasn't he? Super cancelled,
bought back, cancelled. I don't know where we
are with Kevin Spacey at the moment. I'm guessing
still super cancelled. I think he's a mixture
of cancelled and actually guilty before proven.
Yeah, it's one of these horrible things. Incredible
actor, but what he's potentially done is just
totally unacceptable. I mean, sticking to the
film for the moment, absolutely brilliant. He
basically plays... An alien that's come to Earth
and taken over a host body. He gets kind of arrested
and detained in a mental institution where no
one believes him. And he slowly makes all the
people in this institution believe that he's
an alien and eventually takes one of them with
him when he leaves. And then finally, the bloke
comes out of this kind of traumatic mental injury
and regains remembering who he is. And no one's
really quite sure. Was he actually an alien that's
just left this bloke? And that's why this bloke
can now remember what's happened, even though
this majorly traumatic thing happened. It's a
very good film. But as I say, unfortunately,
that's the unfortunate side of it. Obviously,
I've been watching a bit more Doctor Who, classic
Doctor Who. with tom baker to powering through
some of the old dalek episodes because they're
some of my favorites yep uh then up to the second
season of doctor who or modern who with uh david
tenant really enjoying that again and discovered
that i am a hoarder of headphones and earphones
i cannot i cannot help myself uh these are my
new ones uh so i've got At the moment, I've got
two pairs of AirPod Pros, one from when AirPod
Pros were first released, and then I've got the
second generation AirPod Pros, which I got when
they were released. So they're both working fine,
and I am somewhat addicted. And then I think
this may be partly to do with the ADHD if I do
get diagnosed with that. If I'm on my own, I've
got to have something going on in my ears. I've
got to be hearing. I can't. Just not. So I will
come home from shopping to go and get my earphones
to go back shopping if I've forgotten them. It's
that bad for me. I have to have something. Yeah,
I think if I forget them, I'm annoyed at myself,
but I wouldn't go back. And I drove to work the
other day. I'd forgotten my headphones. Went
into Tesco's and bought a really cheap pair of
JVC, just in -ear ones. And I was pleasantly
surprised that actually for like the 20, I think
it was 15 pounds actually, club car price. how
good they were. And I thought, well, you know
what? Let's have a look at what else there is.
So your data cost £5 that day. Yeah. These look...
I like their box. These are so cool. So these
are made by a company. I don't know really what
their company's called, but they are made by
a brand called Moondrop. I've never heard of
them. And these are the ultrasonic moon ones,
I think. I think they're just called Moondrop
Ultrasonic. And they look really funky. They
come in this plastic case. The case comes with
it. red bit that holds it with the battery you
can actually just carry it around as it is and
it'll hold them in with magnets but they give
you this little red kind of case as well that's
plastic i thought they look really funky i've
got a bit of an amazon voucher left i'll get
them they should have been 69 .99 i think i spent
about 23 pounds on them holy shit and i think
what people need to understand that unless you
are some really big audiophile don't bother buying
really expensive earphones anymore because I
genuinely don't see them. I put those in. The
ANC, so the noise cancelling, pretty decent.
Not as good as the AirPods, obviously. They've
had a lot more technology and a lot more time,
a lot more money put into them. But the ANC is
perfectly salvageable. Very, very good. It cuts
out most of the noise. What blew me away... I
genuinely, at this point, think they sounded
better playing music than the current AirPod
Generation 2s that I use. Really? They had much
more clarity in voice, in sound. It felt like
there was way more depth to the music. Honestly,
genuinely blown away by them. The only reason
I got these ones, by the way, is because they've
got LDACs. They've got the couple of extra codecs
for high -res lossless audio. Which is a waste
of time with an iPhone. I own an iPhone. But
I am looking at maybe moving to Android. And
then most Android phones have got LDAC included
now. So you'll get high -res wireless headphones
connection. So you'll get music transferred to
the earbuds at, I think, something like 192 kilobits
a second rather than the much lower that AAC
does. But even on AAC with the iPhone, wow, I
was blown away by them. So obviously, it's not
a sales thing. It's not an ad thing. Go and buy
whatever you want. But what I'm just saying is...
Feel free to sponsor us. The cost of all these
beats by Dre and even Skullcandy now have done
a £100 pair of earphones. And this is Skullcandy.
Skullcandy, the company that's known for doing...
Sorry, really deep bass noise. I've never thought
Skullcandy was any good. They look like the shit
ones they sell in -game. Well, can I just point
out... The £100 one, the sound has been done
by Bose. Oh, is it? You might as well not put
Skullcandy on it. It's sound by Bose instead.
I am a very firm believer now that actually,
unless you're that audiophile literally looking
for fidelity and the best range from low to highest
frequencies, you know, that nice straight line
they're all after, get yourself a middling kind
of cost between £25 and £50. You will not be
disappointed. Those are the Moondrops. You got
the Soundcore that I recommended you, and they
were, what, 20 quid, weren't they? Yeah, they've
been great. And they've just been good. They
work. The microphone's fine on them. And as I
say, unless you're going to be a snob, don't
waste your money. And you can get some really
cool -looking ones. The Moondrops look really
good. I'm really pleased with those. It's a really
funky box, I've got to say. But that's it. I
haven't really played any games. I haven't watched
anything else. Over to you. Hello, robots! Ah,
so what have I been doing? Let me just sort my
trousers out. Right, so I've been playing quite
a bit of games, actually. Ooh! So, I tried...
Psychos Mark and I booked in a games night for
the first time in literally probably two months.
We haven't... played any games together so we're
like he'd come around the other day and was like
look let's book a game session and he was like
okay great so on Tuesday like this is the day
we're going to play and during lockdown we played
loads of Sea of Thieves and we got ourselves
to level 100 which was how you got Pirate Lord
and that was like the top of the top at the time
when the game came out I really enjoyed Sea of
Thieves and I loved those couple of times I joined
in on your games we even did that charity stream
where we earned like £2 We still made money.
We still got money. And, yeah, so we were pirate
captains or pirate lords or whatever, which meant
we could do anything in the game. And we were
really quite proud of ourselves because it wasn't
particularly easy to do, especially in the PvP
games. Like, there were a few times. The thing
about, Mark, if you ever listen, you don't, but
you're a fucking nightmare to play games with.
Because, like... I'm very reserved in games and
I'm like, I'm not confrontational. I'll avoid
conflict. He is so fucking opposite. He is Leroy
Jenkins in every game I've ever played. Well,
I used to play Guild Wars with him and it was
a nightmare because he would play the tank, which
is the worst thing that he should play because
he would pull everything and just go. Yeah, okay.
And we'll go back to the era of the Xbox 360,
Left 4 Dead 2. La, la, la, la, la. Is that a
witch? Is that a witch? Everyone quiet. Where's
Mark? Woo, woo, woo, woo. Yeah, running up to
it to melee it with his gun. Yeah, he just doesn't
care about any of that. He just wants to kill,
kill, kill. Well, yeah, and Sea of Thieves, if
I remember right. Is that a ghost ship or is
that an opponent? Why is the boat turning? Why
are we turning towards Mark? Yeah, or it'd be
like, oh, yeah, what's that? But the cannon's
already fired. We won't have seen it. He's already
testing whether he's in range of whatever it
was that's on the horizon. Maybe they want to
be friends. No, no, Mark's gone for them. That's
Mark, right? So that's Mark. So we thought, OK,
what we'll do is we'll load up CFDs. Great, OK.
Well, we both had to download it. And then Miranda
hadn't told me she was working, so I couldn't
go at the desk. So I took the laptop and was
like, oh, let me just try and put the laptop
on the big TV. I was just getting problems. I
was like, oh, I'll download it on the Xbox so
I can sit comfortably on the sofa. I don't know
what's going on in my house without Xbox, but
it wanted eight hours to download Sea of Thieves.
It was... There's something odd there. There's
something either wrong with my Xbox or something
on my network is capping. I might call HeyBrawlBrand
up and ask them if they're capping my download,
even though it says I'm getting... Because I
checked my phone. It was like, I'm... On Wi -Fi
connecting to what my Xbox is connected to. And
I'm getting, it was getting me 600 on my phone
Wi -Fi. Yeah. And then I did a Unify speed test.
I was getting 800. Are you cabled or Wi -Fi for
the Xbox? The Xbox is hardwired into an IW. Right,
okay. And I did a speed test on the Xbox in its
own speed test thing and it was getting 200.
It's like, well, if you're all getting 200 meg,
why are you only actually downloading at six
kilobytes a second and saying it's going to take
you eight hours to download Sea of Thieves? No,
something's not right. Something's not right.
I power cycled it. I power cycled all of my equipment.
Like, sorry, everyone, this is going to be really
boring. I'm going to get nerdy with TJ for a
moment. Just hold on, everyone. Just hold on,
hold on. There's a thing about IWs where sometimes
they go funky and will only give you five meg
data transfer. My boss and I have never really
solved how we've ever solved it, but we seem
to fix it usually. And it's normally on the...
We've noticed it on the i7 modules rather than
the i6s, and I've got i6s in my house. So...
And I've never experienced it to the point where
I'm now going to take my laptop and drive a single
port on that thing and see if there's actually
something going on with it. Yeah, see if maybe
the IW is correct. I did change the ports when
I was plugged in, and it didn't matter what port
it was. So my next stage is I'm going to take
that out... And I'm going to take that cable
straight into the Xbox and see if it does it.
And maybe the IW's... I know this is the geek
hour now. I take it you've jumped onto the UniFi
console and had a look at the insights for the
port the IW's connected to. Yeah, but it doesn't
really... It doesn't say there's anything wrong
with it. So it wasn't giving me that error message
that you showed me before. Okay, yeah. Everything's
green. Everything's happy. I don't know what's
wrong. Yeah, and you'll see the data thing. This
is, sorry everyone, there's like a graph. Yeah.
It will go right up like it's using data and
then instantly plummet. That's very weird. It's
like it's asked for it and got it briefly and
then gone, nah, sorry. It's almost like your
Xbox has been rate limited by Microsoft. Why?
Have you been shouting things down to the microphone
at kids again? Yeah, it's all the Pornhub. No,
I think it's actually probably something to do
with my ISP. Is it either going to be my ISP
or it's going to be the Xbox itself? Because
when you look online, the normal things are,
I've got to make sure I open up all these ports
and all these things, which I'm going to do.
I'm going to open up every single fucking port
it asks me to open up. And it also says you need
to check whether your ISP is throttling particular
things. So I might just call them up and ask
them. Yeah, I was going to say, they could be
saying, well, you know what, we see a lot of
Xbox traffic and... We don't like that. But when
I was on Gigabit Symmetric, never had this problem.
I'm wondering if it's now I've moved to their
900 service. I need to check the fine print.
I wonder if there is something on their 900 service
that's different than their Gigabit service.
Possibly, yeah. Maybe there's an agreement or
something on there. I don't know. Like a fair
use thing and they don't class Xboxes in fair
use. But the PlayStation is fine and it's hardwired
into the same MW. Anyway, sorry everyone. I can't
remember. Yeah. So we never got to play Sea of
Thieves in the end. After all that, when we finally
actually got to play server maintenance. Oh,
fuck's sake. So it was at this point, it was
10 o 'clock. So what we did was like, oh, we've
both been talking about RuneScape Dragon Worlds
for a while, which is a type of game that Mark
and I like to play together. One of those survival
games. Yeah. And they build a base, eat food,
whatever. And it's by Jagex. Fun fact, I went
for a job at Jagex. Didn't get it. who make a
game called RuneScape. They're not a particularly
good company nowadays. They're, you know, money
-grabbing bastards. Which most of them are. But
this Dragon Wars game is actually really fucking
cool. It's actually really cool. Graphically
very nice. You know, the kind of normal survival
stuff. Cut down a tree to get word. And you can
do magic and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, so we
played that. We managed to play it for half an
hour because T woke up. So we got half an hour
in in the end. What else have we played? We've
been watching Last of Us 2, the series. So that's
got me wanting to play the game because I've
owned it, never played it. We spoke about this
a couple of... Oh, excuse me. On the last episode,
so I played a little bit more. I'm kind of like
playing up to where I am in the episodes. So
I'm watching the episode, then playing the game
up to the same point and then going back to the
episode. So that's been quite interesting to
see how they've changed it. Whereas like the
first season was very close. But this second
one... They're doing the same beats, but already
on Episode 3. Massive change in a big aspect.
And there's something changes in Episode 4. They
really have actually kind of... They're doing
the same thing, but not doing the same thing.
It's odd. Anyway, what else? Yeah, they just
randomly released the Oblivion Elder Scrolls
remaster, which... It's actually fucking brilliant.
Yeah, I've been loving seeing the pictures of
character creator then, character creator now.
It's absolutely brilliant. So if you like the
original one, which I loved, you'll like this
one. And finally, Clear Obscure Exhibition 33
come out. It's a turn -based RPG, a turn -based
combat RPG. It's absolutely beautiful. It's by
a French development company. I think they're
all ex -Ubisoft employees, I want to say. And
it's wonderful. It's absolutely brilliant. I've
had to put it on story mode because I find it
too difficult. The combat, whilst it's turn based,
the tactical side of it, I'm fine at because
I like that kind of game. That's my jam. But
when the enemies attack you, you can dodge and
parry. I can't get the timings right. I've never
been able to read enemy actions, which is why
I can't play Elden Ring and all those. We spoke
about Elden Ring before. I will never go back
to it. It's too difficult for me. So, yeah, I
had to put it on. I put it down to easy. I started
on medium, then put it to easy now on story mode.
It was even Cult of Lamb you struggled with the
parrying. Yeah, still now I do struggle with
Cult of Lamb. I do all dodging. on that yeah
only dodge and i do a lot of it and i still i'll
dodge into things i'll be wrong i don't know
i've never been good at it well even when we
played like uh shooters i'd fly the helicopter
that's what i could do oh yeah i was never quick
enough to be the first person to shoot so i'd
die so like so i always play support classes
i always played the healer so i'd i had my lmg
Big, dumb, stupid gun. And then I would heal
people and I'd fly the helicopter. That's what
I would do. I miss the days of Battlefield running
around with the defib. And we just had our little
crew, didn't we? We had me, you, Mark, Dan, and
we'd have a healer. We'd have whatever Mark chose
to be, which typically would be some sort of...
Some kamikaze explosive person. Dan would go
for a scout or sniper. And then you would go
for your... the support side and i used to love
it because we used to absolutely destroy maps
in that game as i as soon as we got that little
tank person carrier that was it that was game
over for the rest of the map because there's
just be the four of us would just drive through
a wall and not hate everyone and then as we had
me running around on dvb is like right okay hang
on all right you're back up let's go yeah i just
used to like i would get the black hawk then
i'll start flying it and i'll just circle Mark
would stay on the big machine gun and you and
DJ would just keep helicopter, like parachuting
out. When you died, you spawned back in the Black
Hawk. It's just like raining fire on everybody.
Anyway, that's what I've been doing. Lots of
games when I've had the chance to, and it's been
lovely. Just a shame about the television show.
Yeah. If you start deciding which body is best,
you're going down a very dangerous path. It's
the truest thing I've heard all day. So I want
to start this right by saying his first season
I enjoyed. I looked forward to every episode.
I didn't look at my phone while watching it,
which is a key thing for when you're watching
TV. If you watch, if you pick your phone up or
not like. Back to The Last of Us really quick.
Never once have I picked my phone up while watching
The Last of Us Season 2. Not one time. I'm going
to immediately draw the words you just said to
attention. I enjoyed. That's all you said. There
was no other description. It was just, I enjoyed
it. I think that's an alright thing to say. It's
an alright thing to say. How would you have described
the first series of David Tennant? How would
you have explained the first series of Tennant,
Eccleston? You wouldn't have just said, I enjoyed
it. You would have said, I loved it. I would
have said, I loved it. If it was Eccleston, I
would have said, I loved it. I was obsessed with
it. And I think that's the thing to take away
from this overall before we get to the end. I
mean, we could just end it there, couldn't we?
The thing is, it's been enjoyable. It's not been
great. It's not been mind -altering. It's not
been, I've got to watch it. I only finished season
one today. You only did it because you wanted
to watch the season two episode for the show.
Exactly. So it's like, I really didn't feel the
need to go back to it. So it's like, hang on
a moment. I don't feel the need to go back to
this. I thought I'd probably watch the majority
of the series. I'd watched four episodes. There
were still four more to watch or five more to
watch. And I thought, oh my God, this is a slog.
As much as... So, okay, we've got the pronunciation.
It's Shuti Gatwa. Oh, well done. There's no N
-C. Shuti Gatwa. It's Shuti. The sound is the
N -C sound. So that's Shuti Gatwa. Okay. Is an
excellent actor. He's Rwandan Scottish heritage.
Wow, that's a mix. It is an interesting mix,
but it explains his accent in the show, because
I couldn't put my finger on what it was, and
that explains it a bit more. I like that. He
just... A, I don't think he's been written well
for. I think it's very much the Whittaker standard
here, which is always disappointing. However...
If we look, and I've said this before when we've
ranted about Doctor Who before, and I think what
we should do, I know we did Doctor Who or Doctor
Who in the variety show in the first year, I
think, and I think we do need to cover that without
going too long into this. Even the classic Doctor
Who, so we'll change the names here. So we've
got classic Who, that is the 60s onwards. We
then have modern Who, which is Eccleston onwards.
And now we have new Who. which is Shooty Gutwa
onwards. This is Disney Who, isn't it? They've
got a stake in it, right? Yeah, they've got a
stake in it, which is why they've got more budget
and they've got more effect and so on and better
looking everything, basically. And it really
doesn't feel like he is a doctor. I think that's
my thing. Every doctor, including classic Who,
and I mean... And I genuinely do mean Classico,
actually, even all the way back to William Hartnell,
the original Doctor. They all had the ability
to be all nice as pie and then suddenly snap
and they're a completely different person. And
it's like, right, I gave you a chance. Now it's
over. Well, for me, the Doctor is a balance between
light and dark. And he lives in the middle on
a set of scales which he can never keep level.
Yeah. That's how I've always seen the Doctor.
He either goes fully one way or fully the other,
and he's always fighting each way. Whereas with
Tutti, I kind of, I don't see the dark part.
There isn't any. He's a lot of... The most angry
I've seen him so far, I can't even, because I've
seen so many episodes in a row now, I think it
must be one of the two final episodes, he basically
punches a... lifts door and then crumples up
on the floor upset that he didn't do more to
stop something and then he just carries on it's
like hang on a moment no that's that it wasn't
it didn't even feel like raw emotion it just
felt like someone was slightly pissed off and
told him you need to kind of try and and it just
didn't work um i mean you look at when he thinks
um brilliant episode The cosplaying bird people
really enjoyed the idea of that. Where was his
anger when he believed that Ruby Sunday had been
killed and is now a costume? Yeah. There wasn't
any. It just didn't feel... If that had been
any of the previous Doctors, it's like, I'm giving
you a chance to leave. Leave. Right, I gave you
that chance to leave. Now you're going to find
out about what the Doctor actually is. And instead
he's just kind of like, yeah, you kind of killed
my friend. I'm upset by that. But I've been clever
and look, I've put these three transport bits
around you now. And then even then he fucks it
up because it's still Ruby Sunday in the Sodding
Triangle. So then his lover ends up knocking
her out, which I still think is the stupidest
way. Oh, they're locked in there. You can't do
anything about it. No, but if I run at her and
push her, oh, brilliant. Good technology then.
Great. Yeah, sorry. I haven't watched them since
they were released, so I'm trying to remember
as you're saying it. I do remember I really quite
liked the baddie, the music maestro baddie. Yeah,
so that was, oh, I can't think of their name
now. I think it begins with a J, but yeah. They
were fantastic. Absolutely phenomenal. We might
have said that at the time. Yeah, really, really
fun episode with the Beatles, fake Beatles in
it, of course. And yeah, you've got the maestro
and it's all leading up to finding out who's
coming, which turns out to be Shekath or Shaka
for whatever the name is. Stucka. I can't remember
the name of death and I've only just watched
the bloody thing. The dog thing. The dog thing.
Like the Anubis one a bit. Yeah. And the Toymaker.
to an extent, over the top, which is what you
wanted. But the Doctor wasn't over the top. And
the only way that episode genuinely succeeded
was because, guess what? David Tennant was in
it. Being the Doctor, we wanted. Yeah, yeah.
And I don't think it's Shooty's issue. It's not
his fault. He's doing what he's being directed
to and what he's been written for. And he's obviously
been written to be this much more... much more
peace -loving, much more emotional character.
It just isn't Doctor Who like that. That's not
Doctor Who. That's a different series altogether.
And we've talked about it, haven't we? Torchwood
was Doctor Who for adults. Doctor Who was Doctor
Who for families. And then you had the Sarah
Jane adventures, which was Doctor Who for kids.
That's how it should be. This feels like it's
trying to be Torchwood. while still being family
friendly and it's just not doing the job and
looking at this laces episode oh so much of it
was wrong so by latest episode we're saying we
just mean episode one of season two which was
called let me just bring up on here robot revolution
robot revolution um that's the only one get into
a bit that i've actually watched all the way
through yeah so main thing that I really disliked
about this is, again, going back to this, make
your fucking mind up what this show's meant to
be now. Is it meant to be kid and family friendly
or is it meant to be adult? Because if it's going
to be adult, stick to that. If it's going to
be kid friendly, stick to that. Now, they did
this in that last episode, the last two episodes
of the last series. Everything up to that point
had been fairly family friendly. And then what
the fuck we get Susan turn into what looks like
a horrifying fucking creature. Then someone at
unit also getting the horrifying, scary look.
That is not family friendly anymore. Now, the
difference is, and people may be screaming at
the radio, whatever they're listening to this
on. The wireless. The wireless, darling, the
wireless. Oh, get it warmed up. I've just put
new valves in it. If they want to scream, they
can. Oh, yes, but it used to be scary for us
because of the Daleks and everything like that.
Yes. But overall, they were, like people joke,
metal pepper pots, and they had enough to scare
children, but not enough to make them have horrendous
nightmares for the rest of their fucking life.
Yeah. Whereas the character design for the two
that are blowing dust around the world before
the dog turned, the dog thing was fine. It was
the two fucking characters they created where
the eyes are sunken in, the skin was terrifying.
So it's like, hang on a moment. You've just completely
shifted this from being a fairly family friendly
to, I would have children crying seeing that,
I think. And then we come to this first episode
and we get these cute, stupid looking robots.
Yeah. Okay. They're a bit dumb. They're a bit
fun. They feel a bit cheap and naff, but. That's
kind of Doctor Who. That fits right. I don't
mind. It's quirky. It's like the episode from
Peter Capaldi's Doctor with Greg Davis, the comedian
in it, who plays the king in his giant robot.
It looks stupid, but it's fun. Yeah. Doesn't
really matter. And then we go through the episode.
We're quite enjoying it. And then we see the
bloke that she basically said, yeah, I don't
really want to be dating you. Oh, yeah. This
is where we get our lesson. who's suddenly turned
into a fairly dark monstrosity with no legs,
no arms, a ribcage just dangling down. Yeah.
It's a terrifying change -up. So if you've introduced
younger children to this and they're quite, oh,
look at those robots, how fun, ooh, and then
boom. Yeah. We touched on something that Biffo
had wrote. on his patreon about it and we were
going to read i never actually read it in the
end but and it kind of headlined about it not
being family friendly and i was going through
it again when he said that the robots aren't
family friendly i'm looking at this thinking
this is this is fine and then wow it really when
that amazing makeup it looked brilliant and this
is really great job to the makeup team and the
fx team and everybody involved now great but
That's scary. That's the thing. I mean, obviously
it's not scary to us. We know that. But when
you're aiming a show that was meant to be primetime
family show, that is fairly terrifying. Now,
we can't just blame New Who for this. Modern
Doctor Who also had this. What was the Water
on Mars episode? Yeah, that was a scary one.
That was disturbing. Well, the Weeping Angels.
That's a scary, well, a thrilly kind of... That's
the thing, though, isn't it? That is a much more
thinking sort of horror style. So actually, most
children, it would probably, over their head,
they won't think too much about it, which is
fine, because all they'll think about is concrete
statue. Yeah, OK, there's the screaming face
of it if you see it in time. But I think most
children could probably get past that fairly
simply. monster bloke sat in a cupboard who's
had half his body removed. He's got one giant...
He's Jeremy Beadle in there. He's got one big
hand, one little hand. And then all of the makeup
on. He's terrifying. But then, then we find out
that the doctor is too thick to realise that
an L is an L. It's not AI. It's Al. Yes, because
that's clearly an L. Fuck me, you're meant to
save us. Did David Tennant take the brains and
you've just got the emotion? Yeah, he got the
good -looking body and David Tennant took the
brains. Yeah, it just was the worst, worst, worst.
As I did say, though, that was also the learning
moment, you know, the coercive control, planet
of incels kind of. When they started saying that,
I literally audibly went, ugh. like that because
i just like here's where i'm being taught something
that yeah i one of the reasons why i didn't like
any of the the the other ones um not trying to
go too deep into that because i want everyone
to start hating me but yeah i just don't i don't
like being so blatantly shoved a lesson in my
face and i thought that was its moment it was
a little bit more subtle because it wasn't the
whole episode than the whittaker era but it was
there it was. And I hope that they're not all
going to turn into that because I'll get bored.
I think the issue that I'm having with new who,
so this is shooting that one. And I guess the
Whitaker era had it, the Capaldi era had it prior
to that eras. I think actually the fair, the
most of them, they did quite well at, they seem
to have forgotten how to end an episode and having
kind of binged, watched all the kind of, half
over half of season one of this new who it just
really kind of comes to the conclusion that they
have no way to end this and i do think that stems
back to the doctor has no aggression no passion
a lot of the episodes at tennon or smith or eccleston
finished it would often be because they've had
a massive emotional change of what they've done
Or, and this is the other thing that's really
missing from New Who, they've trekked the trek.
They've done something clever. Because so far,
Shooty Gut was not doing anything clever as the
Doctor. Yeah, not really. Almost every episode
of Modern Who or Who before that, out would come
the screwdriver and they'd come, oh, well, no,
I'm probably going to die now. And then within
a couple of seconds left before they died, they'd
suddenly realise, oh, no, I know what I can do.
clever way out of the the whole trap that they
were stuck in and they would just do all sorts
like move an entire planet out of orbit to save
them yeah yeah you don't feel like you're going
to ever get that with you and we've not seen
that i mean actually this episode opened with
him killing hundreds of people in a hospital
by trying to get someone's name and address and
instead cussing the power to the entire hospital
yeah Well done there, Doctor. You've just knocked
them all out. All the lights have gone off. So
how many patients' life support went off? Yeah.
I will say, side note, I don't like his sonic
screwdriver. No, it's not a screwdriver. It's
a mobile phone. It's an old clamshell mobile
phone, isn't it? It's just like, that's not a
screwdriver. Yeah, I don't like that. We started
watching episode two. We got 10 minutes in, went
to bed, said to the wife, do you want to watch
any more of it? She's like, no, I'm not interested.
Yeah, I... It's funny, isn't it? I quite enjoyed
the end of season one, even though, again, it
still felt like they didn't really know how to
end it. The whole Ruby's mum. arc of the story
was just really weak and it just felt like wow
you really are just bidding off ruby sunday and
just going yeah bye see ya i don't remember how
that ended um mum thing the whole thing is yeah
they finally find her mum and then she gets a
phone call mid -conversation to the doctor oh
they've just found my dad as well okay fine okay
It just felt really rushed and it just felt like
you really just wanted to get rid of her and
that's what you've done. You've got rid of her.
So I was disheartened at that because I was quite
liking what they were doing with Riri. I thought
she'd actually come away as quite a good companion.
She was actually giving us what the Doctor didn't
seem to have. And yet now we've got this new
person who... Again, I've got a feeling it's
going to end up another Martha. Yeah, I think
so. They're going to try and picture her at the
same, almost same as Clara as well, the same
level as the Doctor, whereas, and it sounds awful
to say, but the companion, whether it's a man
or woman, it doesn't really matter. Look at Classic
Who. We had male companions with the Doctor,
again, normally with two women at the same time
as well, and it was just obviously an orgy when
the cameras were turned off, but... whether it's
a male or a female, it doesn't matter. The companion
should always be of a lower ability and should
always be the vulnerable one for the Doctor to
somewhat save. That's the idea of the companion.
If you follow the story of Doctor Who, that is
it. The companion can just be a companion. They
don't have to be this entity or, you know...
Rose Tyler was just normal until she did something
and took the... the essence from the TARDIS.
Yes. Then she became something else, but she
was just a normal person before that. But they
also were clever with that because they'd thought
about the story for that far in ahead with the
whole bad wolf and that she would be part of
that. So that was a well thought out idea and
it was well done. It doesn't feel like there's
anything really. We've got this Mrs. Flood or
whatever her name is. So this is, for me... I'm
not going to say it's going to be obvious because
I could well be wrong. It's just going to be
another character from classic Who that we hadn't
seen in modern movies. She's got a water name,
River Song. She's got a water name. So she's
going to have some relation to it. I miss Alex
Kingston. She was wonderful in Doctor Who as
River Song. One of my favourite characters. It
was great. brilliant in er as well but that's
a different show um and again we're just yeah
it could it could well be something to if it
turns out to be bloody amy pond yeah right river
song was amy pond's child wasn't she yes yeah
so if this is the fucking granddaughter of amy
pond i'm just gonna be really pissed off it's
gonna be some fucking shit like that because
she's good because of the name the water either
that what i'm hoping is it's the doctor's daughter
yeah Which would be even, that would actually
be somewhat decent. Is she doing anything evil
yet? Well, this is what we don't know. So she
kind of, if you look at the last two episodes,
she basically goes to look after the old woman
when Ruby's mum goes after her. Oh yeah, she
is evil there. Yeah. Oh, I'd love a cup of tea.
No, we'd all love something, wouldn't we? And
that's the only bit that gives me an idea that
I don't know if it is something to do with the
Doctor. Because she says, oh, do you pray? Yes.
Then pray to your God and tell them that I'm
coming and I'm going to knock down the Golden
Gates. So they're obviously an evil character.
I don't think they're a good character. And I
can't see that they would make the Doctor's daughter
evil. I mean, they might do. Maybe she's really
sick and twisted in the head. I more think this
is just going to be yet another revisit to the
Master. That's what I've thought from the very
beginning is the Master. It's going to be something
like the Master or someone from the Time Council
when they locked the planet away, somehow escaped.
Someone that was tortured by the Daleks or something
and is hidden away. I shouldn't say this because
I know Doctor Who is not just Cybermen and Daleks,
but it really was missed having the Daleks in
the first seasons of this modern Who. I missed
having the Daleks. Yeah. They are such just classic
Who villains. I would even say that since it's
kind of, you're right, it's been Disney -fied,
even the villains don't feel villainous. Yeah.
I want to kind of wrap it up a bit, because I
think we could spend another hour just saying
not very nice things about it. Yeah, and the
problem is, it was enjoyable. I could sit there
and watch it. Like I said last week, I couldn't
be arsed if I watched the next episode or not,
and that tells me more than about enjoying it.
That says to me that if I can't really care,
if I don't really care about... seeing the next
episode then is it actually that good i i'm in
the camp of i want to continue watching it and
i want to watch every episode of this season
and i but i feel like this is me giving doctor
who its last chance and if this does not go well
for me if i don't like it i probably won't ever
watch it again until they have a long break yeah
and you know Everyone involved changes. The writers
change, the directors change. I actually like
Shooty, but a different Doctor. Really give it
a long break. I'm talking like five, ten year,
kind of a huge break, starting again. Well, to
be honest, I would even go as far as to say I
think this is the death of Doctor Who now. If
it does not improve by the end of Series 2, if
we do not see a massive jump... in shooty gatwa's
doctor to something that's more present more
energetic more enigmatic more clever all of these
things are lacking at the moment we don't get
any of that really is it that we're just getting
uh i don't care saying this funny we are getting
a sexy man being the doctor who is showing a
lot of emotion, but that is it. Is it that we
just aren't the demographic anymore? Well, I
was toying with this idea that, like you said,
and this is actually one thing I really agree
with you massively on, episode one of Star Wars
was not Star Wars for the people that saw it
in the 70s. This was a different generation Star
Wars. And the Disney Star Wars is Star Wars for
a different generation again. The thing I think
the upset me is if you go by that logic, they're
not making the show for fans anymore. They're
just trying to make it for generational gaps.
And that will kill a show and a franchise. I
do not see any reason why you could not make.
Doctor Who from, let's say, Eccleston's era,
something that the current generation would like.
I think it's a really good idea to grow your
show with the audience because they will keep
watching it. How do you know that the next generation
will even be into this kind of thing? Yeah, 100%.
Whereas if they had actually grown the maturity
of Doctor Who with the demographic of people
that were watching it, so now aimed it at 40
-year -old... you know 40 45 year old people
would it actually get more people watching it
yeah i know that historically it's been aimed
at younger people all the way but do we still
do that now is it working we need to have a young
person to ask we do don't we we do need to kind
of get a young person's kind of aspects on this
i mean i could show k i i think we need someone
older I think we need, if anyone who listens
to this, firstly, hi. Secondly, who's in their
20s or very early 30s and watches Doctor Who,
I'd like to know what they think of it. Yeah,
no, I agree. I think you're absolutely right.
I would be interested to see what they, especially
if they really enjoy it and think it's the fucking
bee's knees, the best thing ever. I'd love to
know what they're seeing that we're not. and
obviously you're right that could just well be
it's a generational thing and it's just not our
cup of tea because we grew up with our own who
I mean that could be the case I would put a caveat
on that though classic who is my who modern who
is my who this new who is not so they've managed
to do it in 2005 when they brought back Eccleston
they brought back Doctor Who they managed to
make it such a big thing and do it to a standard
that actually I was happy to say, no, this is
Doctor Who still. Are we borderline being the
Star Wars fans here? I don't know, because as
I say, for me, I enjoy the classic and I enjoy
the next lot after it. It's this third lot that...
OK, I'll include Whittaker and Tom Capaldi in
this final bit. The writing... And the style
of the show has just changed too much for me
to enjoy it. And yeah, okay, that could be a
generation thing. I'll hold my hands up. And
if that's the case, that's the case. I just feel
that they seem to be doing something different
for different sake. I don't think they're genuinely
doing it to aim at a different market of people.
I think they think this is a good idea. And I
don't think it is. And if you look at the online
press, I know we say we don't look at reviews,
but there's very little positive out there. Yeah.
So, well, all in all, we're disappointed. Disappointed.
Absolutely. It's the sort of thing I'm disappointed
in what you're doing at school. Your report,
I'm disappointed. Have you got two hearts? Padam,
padam. No way. So, after that bombshell. Next
episode, I've not told you what it is, so I will
tell you now, Mr TJ. Oh yes, I've no idea what
we're watching. We are watching a film that I
can never ever remember the name of. I thought
once upon a time I'd made it up in my head that
this film even existed. Oh wow. And it wasn't
until you and I really... Reconnected again.
Oh, was this the one that I looked up for you?
Because you said, I don't think this is real.
Yeah, we reconnected. We, you know, got chatting
loads again. You know, rekindled our love for
each other. And that film is Existence. Existence,
yes. And it's 1999. Wonderful. How can you explain
this for Jude Law? I was going to say, I was
trying to think of who it was. Ian Holm, Willem
Dafoe. Yeah. Lots of people in this. It's, well,
Christopher Eccleston's in it too. Oh my God,
he is, isn't he? So they create this weird device
that you connect yourself to and go into like
this gaming world. But the device is like this
organic blob thing. It's a bit trippy. It's...
How can you explain this game? I'll just read
what it says on IMDB here. A game designer on
the run from Assassins must play her latest virtual
reality creation with a marketing trainee to
determine if the game has been damaged. That's
what it says on the tin. It's very odd. I always
got freaked out by the weird blob thing that
they have to put their hand on and it's kind
of all squeaky and gross. Like the umbilical
cords coming off it. It's really fucked up. Well,
it's David Cronenberg. Yeah. So if you know that
name, then you're thinking The Fly, for example.
He wrote it too. Cronenberg is one of those people
that he creates a lot of very, very, very good
stuff. This is the guy who's in Discovery who
I said should play the guy in Half -Life 2. Yes,
you're right. It is. Yes, yes, yes, yes. He's
the guy, yeah, who I think should play the G
-Man in Half -Life 2 adaption if they ever made
it into a show. Oh, Scanners was one of his as
well. I forgot how good. I love Scanners. Oh,
he's got some really, really fucked up films
and he wrote some really, really weird stuff
as well. So, yeah, that's it. We're going to
be watching the 1999 completely insane, wonderful
Existence. Brilliant. Great choice. So you have
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