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Oh where am I?

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Oh what a New Year's Eve.

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Those lower dexers really need that out to party.

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Right. What am I doing today?

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Oh no.

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I collect spores, molts and fungus.

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Welcome to the Untitled Sci-Fi Show.

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Hello and welcome to the Untitled Sci-Fi Show.

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Ooh.

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Where this week we're going to be talking about Star Trek.

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Yeah, I mean I know we've been going on about save lower dex, but I really have been saving lower dex.

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I've been saving it as my back catalogue because I've not watched it yet.

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Same. Same, I haven't watched it yet.

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Oh dear.

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That first episode put me off. I'm not going to lie, that first episode I thought was so boring and dull compared to the season finale of whatever the season was before it.

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It put me off a little bit.

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You know I have watched that now.

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And it was good isn't it?

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It's pretty good actually.

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It's just flowingly good. Just everything and the whole, the final battle and it just worked so well.

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And little jokes about him looking like Tom Paris.

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Yeah.

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I enjoyed that.

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That was brilliant. That was absolutely brilliant.

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Anyway, I'm only missing a little bit. We're not here to talk about Star Trek. Not outside of the fact that this...

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It will come back.

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Yeah it will. So, as you're aware of listening to this, hopefully you listen to what was before. The Untitled Trek show is now the Untitled Sci-Fi show.

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We're not going to be focusing just on Star Trek. We're going to be doing everything really. TV, films, we could do books as well. There's loads of sci-fi books that I really enjoy.

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Games. We always want to talk about games. We think we're going to put them here.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Particularly this week.

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We're going to move gaming from the Variety show over to the Sci-Fi show. Not that we really talked much about gaming in either of them previously.

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I mean it was quite heavy hell divers.

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Yeah, but that was our life though.

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That was our life for a few weeks. Democracy then just left us.

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Yeah. We haven't been allowed to vote and that's the worst thing that could happen to us. They took our voting rights away.

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But I feel like gaming has a place here.

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Yeah, I think so. It's called sci-fi. It's really kind of all of just our nerdy stuff.

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Yeah, 100%.

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Insert new non-Star Trek related transition effect here.

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Right. So as usual, what have you been doing?

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I've watched a few things.

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Ooh, I know.

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First thing I went back and watched after saying I wanted to watch it and end up watching the wrong film, I finally watched Knowing, which is the whole Mayan prophecy and Nicolas Cage running around going,

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Oh my God, the numbers, the numbers are right. It's coming to an end.

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And then the film actually does end with everyone dying and then children being badly CGI'd into an alien ulapipipupu land against a Joshua tree and basically being,

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Yeah, you're just going to repopulate Earth that girl you're with. Yeah, you got a knobber. Sorry.

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How old are these kids?

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They're like 10. It's just like, it's a messed up film.

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Nonswatch.

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I'm not having the first essence of Nonswatch in the Trek show, the sci-fi show.

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No, the thing is, and I'll tell Gemma about this, up until the whole alien thing, it's not that bad a film.

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It's got suspense. It's quite an interesting idea.

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Unfortunately, the problem is, it's very rare to find anyone that will end a film with just a really negative dark end.

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And for them just to the end of the film with, we've saved the kids and now everyone dies, maybe was a little too dark, but it was just so badly done.

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We've just taken the kids and they're in this weird alien cornfield basically, and they're going towards what looks like a Joshua tree.

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And it's just really shit. And the whole alien thing at the end, they just don't look good.

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They could have had a better end. It would have actually been better to have ended it really negatively and just said, yeah, everyone dies.

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The Mayans were right. Shit.

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But even they wouldn't do that in Deep Impacts. I mean, Deep Impacts, my joke is that's the depressive version of Armageddon.

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I mean, the only depressing thing about Armageddon is that Bruce didn't let Ben Affleck go and kill himself.

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It should have so been his job. Leave him. Bruce, leave him. You were the better person.

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But yeah, Deep Impact kills half the fucking planet and it kills the cast of the saviours and the heroes on their space shuttle.

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So it's one of those kind of depressing things. But at least they ended it. They could have done better.

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I thought you were describing National Treasure until you started getting the aliens.

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Oh, no, National Treasure is a good film. I like National Treasure.

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Just when you were saying about Nicolas Cage running around, it was like, well, that's basically National Treasure.

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That's Nicolas Cage, if you think about it. The rock, Face Off, all those. He's just running around.

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Con Air.

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Con Air.

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He's running around in Con Air when he's off the plane.

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I said put the bunny down. Well, tough shit.

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So yeah, I watched Knowing and it wasn't as bad as I remember. It's still in my book, a bad film, but it wasn't as bad as I remember.

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I then watched on Freevy, which is Amazon's free kind of thing, like Plex is one. I watched Robocop, the prime directives.

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The prime directives.

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So this, I think, must be one of the first examples of what the Americans would call an R. Is it R rated for an 18?

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So we would call it an 18, Americans would call it an R rating.

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It's the first example of something that went to the cinemas that was designed for adults that then got kidified so they could try and market it to children as well.

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And I remember when it aired in the UK, it aired on ITV on a Saturday and it would have been around maybe the lunchtime and they were like half an hour episodes.

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And it's this story of you've got Robocop, then his best friend gets turned into basically Robocop 2 in, if I vaguely remember, it's slightly darker Robocop basically.

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And there's like, oh, there's so much to unpack in it.

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Then one of the scientists who disagrees with all of it gets murdered, but instead she gets embedded into the computer instead and it goes all a bit Power Rangers at one point where her face is on this kind of glowing warp core tube thing.

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And it's about Robocop trying to persuade that the new Robocop that actually they used to be friends and that he needs to fight these directives he's been given, because of course they marketed Robocop as bad again.

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Oh, it's dire. It's absolutely dire, but it is interesting to see that something took that adult rated thing that we already know.

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It's always been a weird thing for me that you go into a toy shop back in the 80s and 90s and it's like, yeah, Alien, you know that film that's really scared a lot of adults.

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Let's make kid toys of that or Terminator.

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I've got the Terminator 2 toys in the room next to us.

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Exactly.

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I've got the motorbike, it opens up, fires a rocket out the top of it.

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Yeah, then that's the proof, isn't it?

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The kids have not seen the film.

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So for them, all these kids of this generation went and bought the Terminator 2 bug.

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It's like, oh, wow, when I'm old enough to watch this, this is going to be so cool.

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He fires a missile out the bike. Does he fuck?

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Yeah, it's just a normal Harley.

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With about three, oh no, so it's the dirt bike that's got 300 gears.

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So my boys lost the bloody missile.

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That survived my whole childhood, that thing.

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He's had it for a few years and he's lost the missile.

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So I did have the T1000. The T1000 toy was brilliant because the chest and pieces would come off it.

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You could replace them and the arm would come off and it would be a big spiked arm.

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The one that I really remember was this big toy.

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It was in the Argos catalogue and it basically came with, I guess it was like putty or something.

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You'd squeeze it in and you'd put the endoskeleton in and then you'd squeeze play dough over it.

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It became like the skin of the T800.

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I've got a feeling I had that.

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So I've also got the little figure of Arnie and you can take the arm off and it can be a normal arm

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or take it off and then it's a flesh destroyed arm and you pull a thing out and then what is it in the film?

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A spike comes out his arm. Well, that's the wrong Terminator, isn't it? That's the T1000.

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When does Arnie do a fist and then a spike come out of the fist?

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Now, ah, no. Has the toy creator fucked up?

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Big question. As Robocop, he has a spike in his hand and that's how he uses kind of the...

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As a fist.

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When he makes a fist, I think it is the first film.

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He starts having the memory of what's going on and he storms into the police station.

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He makes a fist and this giant spike comes out and he pushes it into the computer to do the data transfer.

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That's on the...the bike's in there, but they don't know where Arnie is.

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My point is, has the toy creator got Robocop muddled up with Terminator and included there?

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I wonder. I'll have to find it before you leave.

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As it's a similar era.

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Yeah. And then I've got the tall one. I don't know how you can tell me how big that is. That high.

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Right, OK.

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Terminator, his arms kind of just move forward and backwards, but he's got five buttons on the back.

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One's a machine gun noise. One's a shotgun.

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And then the other two are, I'll be back. And then, hasta la vista baby.

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And then the middle one just makes his eyes light up. And he has a mini gun.

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Oh wow, so it's a T2 one again.

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And then the shotgun is...

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But isn't it weird? We went through this era. You wouldn't get that now. You wouldn't get like...

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Oh, I don't know. Smile, the horror film.

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By the way, we've done kids toys for Smile.

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And they're like, well they've got to emufy it. It'd be all like Japanese.

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Or Alien Romulus. Oh yeah, we've re-released the toy range for kids.

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Including kind of the birth scene where the baby rips out. It's like, yeah, of course that's what we did, isn't it?

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You do a little slider and it comes out of your chest. And it pushes you back in and goes back in again.

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And then you're next to the bluey toys.

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But that was just an era. It was the 80s. They did that.

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You don't do it now. Funny that.

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But yeah, Prime Directives, it's shit. It's terrible. It is basically PG rated Robocop with a really crap story.

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And it's funny because I remember watching it the first time around when it was on ITV.

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And I just always assumed, because I hadn't seen Robocop 1, 2 or 3, I'd assumed what they'd done is they'd watershed it.

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And they'd split it into like 30 minute gap bits or 25 minute bits to make it an episode based thing.

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Of course, now looking back at it, there's like 10 episodes or whatever it is. So it could never have been the film.

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So it was this weird separate thing. But yeah, not good.

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Well, would you look at this? 12 minutes in and he's already fucked it up. Great planning, mate. Great planning.

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Before we get going any further.

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Well, I've got to ask you.

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Yeah, I know. But before we get any further.

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I said to you before we stopped recording, I've done a little bit of planning, but not really planned.

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The intro was fucking shit. Have you had a nice Christmas?

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Yeah, not too bad.

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I want to save it for the variety show, because that's more of a conversational element of the variety show.

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That is actually something we're discussing in the next show.

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Okay, right. And also, you may notice obviously the intros changed.

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It has.

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And we're going to be playing a game that you can listen to it, that everyone have heard it now.

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You will have heard it in the past, because anybody that had listened to the special and the end after the credits of the special will have heard the very same intro that we just played now.

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And inside the intro is seven cuts like audio snippets.

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And they're from different sci-fi shows. One, two, three, four, five, six. Yeah. So there's seven.

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So there's seven different shows hidden in that intro.

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And the first person who can list all seven, excluding anybody from the studio lot.

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Right.

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And the second person who can list the show in the studio, because they're all anybody that follows my private account on Facebook will know the answers already, because we've discussed already.

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I'll give you a shout out next show.

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You know what? I'm going to put something else to it.

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I will give them a £10 Amazon voucher if whoever's the first one to email you all seven them correctly to rob at channel84.co.uk.

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I will pony up a £10 Amazon voucher for that.

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Well, don't do that every week because we're going to be every week.

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This first one, this first one. Seven. I want all you don't have to do them in order.

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If you doubt be great if you could, but all seven and you have to be exact if you want to win this £10.

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100%. And also by the way, if you go and listen to the variety show episode, which is coming after this one, obviously this came out.

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Then the variety shows the week after I'm testing you on your sci-fi knowledge.

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There's going to be 15 sci-fi clips you've got to identify.

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Well, as everyone knows, I know fuck all about Trek and I fuck all about sci-fi too.

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But you get on Garage.

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That's a spaceship warping, obviously.

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Right. What have I been doing? What have I been watching?

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Okay. So we finished you. Absolutely brilliant. Oh, what a great series.

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You know, I almost said I enjoyed it more than films, but it's all completely on par with those two remakes of films, which I think are brilliant.

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Now it's funny you say that because I was going through Plex earlier trying to work out what to watch.

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I thought I'd look at what free shit's available.

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They've got the old Jun TV series on there, which I didn't realise is James McAvoy.

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Oh, is it? Yeah. Did I already know that? We were very young.

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Yeah. And while you're talking, I'm going to quickly look it up because I can't remember what date they said it was.

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I don't know if I've seen the original film. Miranda brought it for me.

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I think it was last Christmas or my birthday, 2023 on Blu-ray. I haven't watched it yet.

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But yeah, the two remake films are great. This series was absolutely brilliant.

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Yeah. So that was that we binge that we just finished Squid Game 2.

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I'm not going to tell you anything about it because you're already just into it now.

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But I thought Squid Game 2 was fantastic as well. We binge that.

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I'm looking forward to getting into it. I've just watched the first episode and it's brilliant. It really is good.

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Before you came here, I just watched. I'm just now I'm now Googling because I can't remember what it's called.

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There's a new series on on Amazon where every episode is different.

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It's very much like the Netflix series. Love, Death and Robots.

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Stingy is going to kill me because he's going to be shouting at his phone now.

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Let's just pause for a second. Jesus. So unprofessional.

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Right. We're back. I'll cut some of that. Secret level.

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So I just watched the first episode of Secret Level, which was a D&D one.

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Yeah, because I've got the Warhammer one coming up at some point. So good.

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Which is the Warhammer one? Let's go to episode list.

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Yeah. So Warhammer is episode five. Right. Okay.

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So Sifu is the next one. But yeah, the Dungeons and Dragons one. Wow.

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Stylistically brilliant. The people that have worked on that on the computer graphs of that as well.

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Brilliant. The face, all the characters faces. There's none of that. Uncanny Valley.

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There's none of that. They look fucking brilliant. Oh, that's good.

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I think as well because it is stylised, they've gone for realism quote unquote,

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but stylised it to not be real, if that makes sense.

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So the models look real, but the colour scheme isn't. And I think that's what keeps it away from being that.

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Fine. That makes sense. Yeah. And it was really good. Really, really good.

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So if anyone's likes Love, Death and Robots, anybody into any of this shit that we're talking about on this podcast,

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I think then they'll like this so far. I mean, I've only one episode out of 15. So they might be crap.

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It could suddenly crash and burn. It could be crap. I mean, there's a few on here that you're kind of like, I think it's a Pac-Man one.

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But for all I know, the Pac-Man one could be the best one for all I know.

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For 45 minutes of the episode. Children of June, by the way, was James McAvoy's one. 2003.

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Yeah, that is the series. 2003. 2003. Alec Newman and James McAvoy with the titling people on it.

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Isn't that what? Because I don't know about that. I don't really know. But the two June films, they're not just the first.

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Like the remake two. Are they just remakes of the first film or are they both together?

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I honestly have no idea because I've never watched any of it. I've never followed the story of June.

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The only bit of June I know was being disappointed after playing June 2, loving it and thinking I want to play the first one and realising it wasn't a real time strategy.

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It's a point and click adventure.

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They've got a new one coming out. It's like supposedly some kind of survival MMO or something.

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Interesting. I could with the ones I played, June 2, loved. Basically it was Command and Conquer but June.

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And then we got June 2000, which is it was just a 2K.

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An updated version of it. No, no, they did put 2000. It was June 2000 and it was just an updated version of June 2 basically.

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Nicer graphics. So probably in line with maybe Red Alert 2 instead. That sort of era.

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And it was just really good game. It was made by Westwood. So it was just Command and Conquer in a different, different guise.

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So that's all I really know of June.

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So that's really what I've been doing. And then other than looking after the boy.

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The boy. Really, I'm doing this. Hardly Shakespeare is it.

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Accessing library computer data.

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Ridiculous.

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So for the eagle-eared listeners who might remember back before Christmas, we went to the cinema together.

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We did.

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And what did we see?

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The 40th anniversary.

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Yeah, it might have been.

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I'm pretty sure it was the 40th anniversary of the original Ghostbusters.

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Yeah, we went to the cinema.

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So worth seeing on the big screen.

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Yeah, really was.

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So worth it.

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Seeing the practical effects, even that big on screen, they still look good.

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They look great.

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The librarian is still genuinely disturbing.

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Yeah. You watch and you think, yeah, okay, if it was done now, obviously aspects of it would be better.

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Quote unquote better.

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But all the practical stuff, you don't get any better than it.

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It is what it is.

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It's, you know, okay, some of the way they do things now, they work with different technologies for making different things.

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But the practical side of it, practical in my book is best.

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Yes, 100%.

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And, you know, I'm still the bastion of thinking the thing is one of the best practical effect films.

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The thing or scanners.

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Yeah.

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Have you seen it?

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There's a brilliant scene when the, I think he's a newsreader, his head explodes.

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And I've seen, I think it was, it wasn't Mythbusters, but I think Adam Savage explained how it was done.

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And basically they had the mannequin there with the model's head and it was just full of red goo and everything like that.

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And someone sat behind the chair with a shotgun and fired the shotgun at the back of this model's head.

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Yeah.

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Making it just explode in the way it did.

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Well, the thing is as well about my feeling about horrors is that the less you see of the baddie, the better the baddie is.

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And this is science.

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Because it's your imagination.

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Yeah, this is science.

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Because your imagination takes over.

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And, you know, that's one thing about like Alien, first Alien.

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You didn't really see the Aliens whole kind of visage.

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Did you?

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Okay. So actually very quickly, very, and I know it's moving away from Ghostbuster.

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Alien or Aliens, which is your preference?

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Hmm. Yeah, see, I quite like Alien.

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See, Alien is my preference.

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And I know they're two very different films.

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Alien is a horror.

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Yeah.

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Horror thriller, I guess you'd go down the roof.

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Aliens is an action.

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They are two very different films.

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And I really don't know if it's true, but apparently the funding process for Aliens was James Cameron walks into the room, wrote Alien on the board, and then put a dollar after the word Alien and said Aliens.

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And that was it.

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They said yes.

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So apparently that's the story.

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I can believe it.

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I can believe it, to be honest.

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But no, Alien for me is the perfect because it's that one on one mentality.

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It's that you're being hunted by this thing when it uncurls from the wall.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Towards the end of the film.

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It's just brilliant.

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It's really good.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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The chest exploding.

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But yeah, it's the practical effect.

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I absolutely agree.

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Practical effects.

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And we've said it on the show before.

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There is a reason why you look back at some of the old Star Trek films.

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When you see the old Enterprise 1701 floating around in spagestock outside of Earth, the

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reason it looks so good is because it's real.

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So you're actually looking at something that is real.

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Even though we all know 1701 doesn't exist, the fact that the model there is great.

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The model exists.

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It looks real.

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It looks the part.

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Whereas all these modern sci-fi films, why is everything shiny?

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Didn't we make this point when we watched that original series episode and they took

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all the practical outside elements out and did CGI?

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Yeah, everything had changed to CGI.

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Everything was clean and shiny.

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I was like, this is fucking gross.

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It looked awful.

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It's like the stuff I made at uni.

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It was rubbish.

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It's like every battle the fucking Enterprise has been in.

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Are you telling me someone goes out there with a sponge and a bucket and cleans off

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the blaster marks?

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I do wonder how they keep their ships so clean.

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That's Space Dock.

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We need to go to Deep Space 7.

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They're the ones that have got the Starship wash.

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Yeah, have you got the stamp card?

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I've got six.

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Get this from Free.

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Giant rotating things in space that you take your Starship through.

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You've got a roller.

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Oh, not quite sense.

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Oh no.

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You know when you're cleaning the inside of a fish tank, you have one of those magnetic

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sponges.

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Have you seen those?

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It'd be like just people on the inside of the ship.

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They'd have one on the outside and they'd be using a magnet scrubbing the outside of

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the ship.

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Right, we've paid for it.

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Hang on, why are we so dirty still?

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Who didn't turn the shields off?

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He's been scrubbing the shield.

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Well, that's what it'd be like.

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Aren't all of the wing, the things at the front, the wing shields as it were, all like...

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They're just a screen.

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No, because now it's the, you said about it, the see-through metal alloy that's Spock.

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Oh yeah.

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Not that Scotty.

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Scotty.

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Transparent aluminium.

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That's yeah.

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Yeah, what like the bollocks?

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Aluminum.

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Yes, where were we?

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Ghostbusters.

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Right, Ghostbusters.

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This is a Star Trek font.

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The practical effects of the original Ghostbuster film and even the second one, and I know people

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are really down on the second one.

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I like the second one, but...

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I've just seen the second one a million times.

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It's still a really good film, but I've just seen it so many times, because that was the

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one they put on all the time.

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They always repeated it.

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Yeah.

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Always.

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I remember Channel 5 started airing in the UK, and I think one of the first films they

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put on was fucking Ghostbusters 2.

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That or porn.

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Yeah, that or, yeah, porn.

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Or ice hockey.

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Yeah, they had some shit on there, didn't they?

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Oh, you must have said Channel 4.

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I couldn't get Channel 5 though, I couldn't even get it.

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See, weirdly, it was my best mate's dad was the one that was allocated to Chiswell Green

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to go round and tune everyone's TV, and he was paid by the government to go into people's

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houses and tune their TVs to Channel 5.

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Oh, he couldn't tune their televisions.

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Because it was a new channel.

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No one...

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But I could tune...

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It had been in the press, it had been in the newspaper, but don't forget, we could.

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Can you imagine your dad trying to tune the TV?

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Yeah.

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Well, he can now change the inputs.

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Sorry, Dad.

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He's been shown.

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He's got a...

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Yeah, but he's been shown.

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But go back then, on the old CRT, nice big old TV, where it would have been, dependent

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on the age of the TV, it might have been done through the controller, but I remember ours,

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the first TV we had, you had, went up to the TV and you pressed and out came this little

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tray, and you had all the channel numbers there, and each of them had a little rotary

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dial, and you had to change, and that's how you tuned each separate number.

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Yeah, I wonder, I'd have to ask him, because he did have a lot of stuff back then.

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He was quite...

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He would always be getting the new thing, and we joke now that he's always getting the

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10-year-old stuff, because he knows it works.

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But back then he didn't.

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But back then he wasn't.

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He was always getting these massive televisions that took four of us to lift it into the fucking

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living room.

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Do you remember when we came to my house and he had that massive bloody...

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How big was it?

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It must have been a 50-inch CRT.

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Very ugly.

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And it went to Chris, and he had Chris brought it for us.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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He never actually gave my dad the money, Chris.

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We all helped him get in the car.

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Imagine putting an N64 on that now.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Dreams.

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Where am I going with this?

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Yeah.

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The thing is, I knew how to tune, because I had to tune my Megadrive in.

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True.

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Yes.

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So I had the little switch box.

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We didn't have like the Americans, which was, what do they have?

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Change it to channel three or...

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No, so I'd always drop it down to 99, rather than going up to five and then later up to

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six.

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So I'd drop it down one to 99, and I'd tune that one in.

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Yeah, I think we used to do it on channel nine, I think, weirdly.

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But it was whatever it was, wasn't it?

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But Ghostbusters.

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Right, no, I've got...

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So putting the practical side, practical effects to one side, the story of the first one is

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good.

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Really enjoyable.

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Yeah.

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And it's funny.

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It is funny.

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And again, we are affected by the world of the watershed, aren't we?

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Because I remember, I only ever saw it on TV.

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Same.

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I never knew the blowjob scene was in there and various other bits that have been cut

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for watershed reasons.

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So finally when you got round to seeing it, it's like, oh, okay, yeah, I didn't know that.

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Yeah, I was waiting for the cut that never came.

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Yeah.

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Like, normally cuts it, oh, it's still going?

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Okay, Sigourney.

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Oh yeah, we're adults now, aren't we?

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Yeah.

449
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:28,000
And it is a bit creepy that Dan Aykroyd sedates Sigourney Weaver and then basically, yeah,

450
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,000
it's just like, no, no, you cut at the right time.

451
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,000
You've just really, really made a bad scene out of this.

452
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,000
Yeah.

453
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:41,000
I would say he's a bit of a lech, isn't he, old, what's his name?

454
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,000
Oh, not Stance.

455
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000
Stance is the other one.

456
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,000
Venkman.

457
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,000
Venkman, yeah.

458
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,000
Yeah, he's a bit of a lech.

459
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:52,440
Kind of almost like, I kind of feel like he was almost typecast into that kind of role

460
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,000
it almost felt like, because everything, kind of remembering my head of him being in, well,

461
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,000
really just that and...

462
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,000
Groundhog Day is a lech.

463
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,000
Yeah, that's what I mean, and Groundhog Day to the two things, Ghostbusters and that,

464
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,000
I'm thinking of him being in.

465
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,000
He's the same person in those two.

466
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,000
So yeah, I guess he's not a lech in Blues Brothers.

467
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,000
No, he's not.

468
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,000
And he's not a lech, well, he might be a lech in Stripes, I don't know.

469
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,000
Well, hang on, he's not in Blues Brothers.

470
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000
Oh no, that's not, no, sorry, I'm thinking, yeah.

471
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,000
That's Dan Aykroyd.

472
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000
That's Dan Aykroyd, yeah, ignore me.

473
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:33,000
He's not a lech in the one he does with the girl who's in the Marvel films, Scarlett Johansson.

474
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,000
What was that one called?

475
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,000
Lucy, is it?

476
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,000
Is that the one?

477
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,000
No.

478
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:43,000
Oh fucking hell, we're just going to turn it into an episode of us IMDb-ing everything.

479
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,000
No, right, no.

480
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000
Anyway, we know what we meant.

481
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,000
But yeah, it's quite hard to watch now.

482
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,000
I don't think I ever thought about it in the past.

483
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000
I don't think I noticed it even remotely originally.

484
00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:02,000
No, so it just goes to show how values and what is acceptable or seen as acceptable, I guess, has changed.

485
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:09,000
But sticking with Ghostbusters then, really hard question because it really depends how you remember.

486
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,000
And I'll go first, so I go off the names and then hopefully that will help you.

487
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,000
What kind of order, seeing I like doing orders and lists.

488
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,000
We like a list.

489
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,000
Oh, I like a list.

490
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,000
It's definitely not autism.

491
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,000
What order would you put it in?

492
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:33,000
Let's start with your most favourite to your least favourite of the Ghostbusters franchises.

493
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,000
So it's a little difficult thinking about all the new films as well.

494
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,000
So the original ones?

495
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:43,000
So for me, the whole list goes original Ghostbusters because it is just the original.

496
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:49,000
Followed up by the real Ghostbusters as the cartoon because the real Ghostbusters.

497
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,000
And that's a very close thing.

498
00:30:53,000 --> 00:31:01,000
It could easily depend on the day of the week and if the sun is just at the right point, take the first spot, in my opinion.

499
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,000
So it would go original Ghostbusters, real Ghostbusters.

500
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Now, I don't think this is a shocking thing and I think people need to grow the fuck up.

501
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,000
I'm actually going to put the 2016 Ghostbusters in there, answer the call.

502
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000
The winning, the girls one.

503
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Yeah, I really like that one.

504
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000
Because it's just stupid fun.

505
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:26,000
The one thing I wish they'd done with it is not just try to retell the original Ghostbusters with new people,

506
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:34,000
but instead make it almost, if you're going to do anything, get rid of Ghostbusters 2

507
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,000
and make it like they're a franchise after the original film.

508
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:42,000
Or even have it somewhat set at the same time that Ghostbusters 2 is going on,

509
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:50,000
but have them as a franchisee in a different part of America and just their story going on separately to what's going on in New York.

510
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:55,000
And in fact, you could even have the fun bit tie in that at the end of the film, you could have them looking at the paper and go,

511
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,000
oh my God, look what happened in New York.

512
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,000
And then there's Ghostbusters 2.

513
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:05,000
That's what I would have rather than just kind of try and forget that Ghostbusters 1 existed and redo the story.

514
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,000
They could have done the joke then of being like, it's all men.

515
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,000
Well, I can do this with us all women.

516
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:19,000
And then you could run on a joke of being all the women having so much trouble, kind of like the Ghostbusters kind of do.

517
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,000
Just them having their own kind of, fucking hell, it's actually really difficult to do this.

518
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Oh bollocks.

519
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,000
Yeah.

520
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,000
That's the only thing I would say.

521
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,000
But even with that, I still put it in third place because I think it's actually really good.

522
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Yeah, but we both just fancy that one woman as an attainer.

523
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,000
Yeah.

524
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:47,000
Then I would probably put Ghostbusters 2 because I've got a very fondness for that film because I grew up with it, I guess.

525
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,000
And then after that, it's difficult.

526
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000
I think Frozen Empire has been the best out of the new films.

527
00:32:53,000 --> 00:33:03,000
Following Frozen Empire would probably be whatever the new film was before that one.

528
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,000
And at the least favour, I've got to put Extreme Ghostbusters because I've never watched it.

529
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,000
Extreme Ghostbusters was the next cartoon after Real Ghostbusters.

530
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000
I don't think I've seen that either.

531
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,000
I want to say early thousands, mid-2000s.

532
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Yeah, I'm not sure I've seen that.

533
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000
And it was just a kind of reimagining of the real Ghostbusters.

534
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:33,000
And again, you've already got, it's not the right way to say it, but you could see how things were changing because they introduced a wheelchair-bound Ghostbuster.

535
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,000
Right.

536
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,000
And Ghostbusters that were very different to what we had seen in the real Ghostbusters instead.

537
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,000
So they were trying to expand and make it more open to all kind of people.

538
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,000
But as I've not watched it, I honestly can't say if it's good or not.

539
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,000
So I'm going to have to put that at the very end.

540
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,000
I think original Ghostbusters and then cartoon.

541
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:00,000
I think I would, even though I do complain slightly about Ghostbusters 2, I'd probably put that in third.

542
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Because yeah, I have seen it loads, but I still really enjoy it.

543
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:09,000
If it was that, I was on Telly at the exact same time as the 2006 movie.

544
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,000
Is it 2006, did we say?

545
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,000
2016.

546
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,000
2016.

547
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,000
2016.

548
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,000
I think I'd still put Ghostbusters 2 on over it, but then it's that.

549
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000
So that's my only change to what you've done.

550
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,000
I think I've swapped them too.

551
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,000
And then at the end, the very last one is that as you, I have no idea what that cartoon is.

552
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000
The two new films.

553
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:32,000
Now, I really did like Frozen Empire, but I think I actually preferred the first one over it.

554
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,000
So I might swap them around.

555
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,000
Oh really?

556
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000
Yeah, I think the one before I actually preferred.

557
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:44,000
I thought the very first one where they end up moving away and I found it very dry.

558
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000
I really enjoyed some of it.

559
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,000
I really loved the afterlife.

560
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,000
That's what it was called.

561
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Afterlife, yeah.

562
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,000
I really enjoyed what was basically a very forced fan service.

563
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,000
So a couple of the ghosts you saw in it were the real Ghostbusters toys.

564
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,000
Because I had those ghosts as toys that came with the ectoplasm tubs.

565
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000
So I really enjoyed that.

566
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,000
I just felt that Frozen Empire had a better story to it.

567
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,000
Yeah, I can see that.

568
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,000
They didn't wait.

569
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,000
Gozer, again, it's just, it's going back and rehashing something we'd already had.

570
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:25,000
Whereas Frozen Empire, just, it felt like it was a good new story.

571
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,000
I mean, I've only seen them both once.

572
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:33,000
But I just kind of remember, I really enjoyed the second one.

573
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000
But also I remember really enjoying the first one.

574
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,000
Fair enough.

575
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,000
I saw the first one on the big screen.

576
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,000
Really enjoyed it.

577
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,000
I saw the second one on the big screen.

578
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Really enjoyed it.

579
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:50,000
I rewatched Afterlife on whatever streaming it had come to.

580
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,000
And I didn't feel the need to go back and finish it.

581
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,000
Yeah.

582
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:00,000
So I don't know if it was just a one-off watch and that was it done for me.

583
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,000
So I do need to give it a fair chance and go back and watch it again.

584
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:08,000
I do remember enjoying it at the cinema, but I remember enjoying Frozen Empire more.

585
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Yep.

586
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,000
I think I would love to see more.

587
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,000
I'm really happy they're doing these offerings at the cinema again, and I want to see more.

588
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000
I'm still gutted I missed Demolition Man.

589
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000
I've got to see Demolition Man at the cinema.

590
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,000
I'd like to see Robocop.

591
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000
I'd love to see The Terminators.

592
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000
We missed them as well.

593
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,000
They were last year.

594
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,000
They'll go back.

595
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,000
They'll go back home.

596
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000
They were all 1984, the majority of those films.

597
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,000
So it was all anniversary.

598
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,000
I wonder if they'll just do them again anyway.

599
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,000
I'm sure they will because Cineworld has put up on Twitter saying what old films would

600
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
you like to see again this year?

601
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,000
So they are doing more.

602
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,000
I'd love to see the original Alien on the big screen.

603
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Oh yeah, me too.

604
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,000
Predator.

605
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,000
So if they're on the big screen, I'd like to see Time Cop.

606
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,000
No, sorry.

607
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,000
I really don't want to see Time Cop because it's shit.

608
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,000
I would like to see The Running Man and Total Recall.

609
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,000
Running Man, yeah.

610
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:10,000
Because they're just those classic 80s stupid films.

611
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,000
I know they wanted them to be good, but they weren't really.

612
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,000
Beep beep beep beep click click beep boop.

613
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,000
Right.

614
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,000
There's something else that you and I have been doing for the last couple of weeks, I think.

615
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,000
It's been more than a couple of weeks, Rob.

616
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,000
Come on.

617
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,000
As least that's what my wife thinks.

618
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,000
Gaming.

619
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,000
Gaming.

620
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:38,000
We have both got two very expensive, quite large items in front of us.

621
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,000
It is called a penis.

622
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,000
It is.

623
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,000
No, that's wrong.

624
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000
It's one thing.

625
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,000
Mine definitely isn't.

626
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Yeah.

627
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,000
If you're putting this into someone, then they've got problems.

628
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,000
Everyone who listens to the show know that we both were in love with our retroids.

629
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Yes.

630
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,000
When we all know the dramas I had with mine, even I still love it.

631
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,000
I had a lot of dramas with mine.

632
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,000
And mine, yeah.

633
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,000
I dropped a knack at the shoulder button as well at the airport when I was going for a

634
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,000
three hour flight.

635
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000
So what I could have really done with it on the plane as well, and I lost the left shoulder

636
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,000
button.

637
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Oh no, it was my 3DS.

638
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,000
I did that when I took my 3D because I've modded my 3DS.

639
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,000
Yes.

640
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,000
And I took that to Canada with us and it shook around and the SD card dislodged inside.

641
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Blame Canada.

642
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Yeah.

643
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,000
So I couldn't play it at all because I didn't have a screwdriver to open it.

644
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,000
To get it out.

645
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,000
I didn't have one.

646
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000
No one on the plane had one.

647
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,000
I was asking students, have you got something I could open?

648
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000
No, we haven't got screwdrivers on the plane.

649
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,000
You have.

650
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,000
You've got screwdrivers on this plane.

651
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Yeah, but they don't have the Nintendo security screwdriver that you need.

652
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000
Well, I just use a flathead to get in it.

653
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Yeah, fair enough.

654
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,000
It works.

655
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000
So we've both got, we've both upgraded essentially.

656
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000
We have, yeah.

657
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,000
We've got the big boy version of the Retroids.

658
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,000
I have got a OLED Steam Deck.

659
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,000
Yep.

660
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,000
And you've got...

661
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,000
I've got the Lenovo Legion Go.

662
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000
Lenovo Legion Go.

663
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
Pretty much almost the same thing.

664
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000
We've got mine's Linux and yours is Windows.

665
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,000
Yeah, mine's Windows and mine's...

666
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,000
You've got a lot of other things going on with yours, but essentially they're portable

667
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,000
computers.

668
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,000
Yeah, 100%.

669
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000
That's exactly what they are.

670
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,000
They're portable computers.

671
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000
They're designed to be playing whatever games you've got.

672
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000
They've got nice screens to them.

673
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,000
The one down point, I would say that this one isn't OLED, it's LCD, but I've never been

674
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,000
a screen snob, I think is the best way to say it, I guess.

675
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Yeah, I am.

676
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,000
So that works for me.

677
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,000
Oh, if you are, then fair enough.

678
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,000
I've never been one.

679
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,000
It's never been one that's really bothered me, kind of screen quality.

680
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,000
As long as it looks good when you're playing the game, I'm happy.

681
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000
And this is exactly that.

682
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,000
I've always been a screen snob, but I've never been an audiophile.

683
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,000
I've never been bothered.

684
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,000
Like the speakers, I've got speakers in my ceiling here.

685
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,000
They are like some of the cheapest ones that the company that I use have.

686
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,000
Which is interesting when you work in high-end audio.

687
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000
Because I can't tell the difference.

688
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,000
I haven't got an ear for it.

689
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,000
So because I work in the industry, I've heard some very expensive speakers.

690
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,000
The best ones I've ever heard were by Sennheiser and I was walking through a trade show.

691
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:14,000
I see in Amsterdam and I was convinced someone was playing the violin in the next room.

692
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,000
I walked in and it was a pair of Sennheiser's playing from a record.

693
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,000
And you would think a person was stood there playing the violin.

694
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,000
I've never heard a sound like that other than hearing someone play a violin.

695
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000
You're exactly the same as I am.

696
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:35,000
But outside of that instance, I cannot tell the difference between my ceiling speakers

697
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,000
and some of the very expensive ones I've installed.

698
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,000
I mean I've reviewed headphones a long time ago.

699
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,000
And what I found is when I'm using high-res audio,

700
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:52,000
specifically and very dependent on the headphones I was testing,

701
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,000
the more expensive headphones you can tell.

702
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,000
You can tell.

703
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,000
But only if you're using high-res music daily.

704
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,000
And obviously as Apple...

705
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,000
What if you're like on Tidal or something?

706
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,000
Actually I use Apple Music.

707
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,000
Apple Music includes high-res as part of their subscription.

708
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,000
Is Tidal Apple Music now?

709
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,000
No, Tidal is different.

710
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,000
So I get all the high-res versions of Apple Music anyway if it's available.

711
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,000
So that was a bonus.

712
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,000
And I think only through speakers, no, I can't tell you the difference.

713
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
But if I've got a good pair of headphones on it,

714
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,000
it is amazing to hear the quality difference.

715
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,000
And even to me then, it's only ever so slight.

716
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,000
I can't call myself an audiophile.

717
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,000
I never would.

718
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,000
But for me, you get a slight difference in depth

719
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:41,000
and you suddenly hear instruments that you didn't even realise were in a track.

720
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,000
One of the tones I love using is...

721
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:50,000
Not ready or not, it's by the Fuji's and I can't think of...

722
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Killing Me Softly, that's the one.

723
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,000
I use Killing Me Softly, the high-res version of that.

724
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,000
And hearing some of the bass and the backbeats in that

725
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,000
when you've got a good pair of headphones in the high-res is incredible.

726
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,000
But it doesn't improve it for me.

727
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000
It's amazing to hear.

728
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:17,000
I would still love listening to that song through a 25-pound pair of Anker In-Ear earbuds.

729
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:23,000
As long as it didn't sound like shit because they were dirty, dirty Poundland earbuds, I'm happy.

730
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,000
Well, I'm using Soundcore P3s.

731
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,000
Which is Anker, yeah.

732
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,000
Which are £15. I think you linked them to me.

733
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Yes.

734
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,000
They sound totally fine. I'm really not bothered by them.

735
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,000
The reason I think when I said to you, tell me what's alright,

736
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,000
it was basically battery life that I needed.

737
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,000
And also they get embattered on site, I don't want to pay a loan of money.

738
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,000
Exactly. You wanted something that was easy to replace if you needed to.

739
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Didn't cost the world, but still had a decent sound.

740
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000
And I was using the P2s at the time.

741
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,000
And the big thing for me there was I think I paid £25 for the P2s.

742
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,000
And they did something that no other earbuds had done.

743
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,000
I could stand in the shower with them, they were waterproof.

744
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,000
I could wear them in the shower, I could wear them in the rain.

745
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,000
And I had no worry about them getting decimated.

746
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Whereas my AirPods, I love them, but it starts peeing down, not so much on the new ones,

747
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,000
because they're better and they are properly sealed now.

748
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,000
But my original AirPods, oh god it's raining, out they'd come.

749
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,000
And then I'd be miserable because I wouldn't have my music.

750
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,000
But the P2s were brilliant. Yeah, they're waterproof, they'll survive rain.

751
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,000
And they did, many, many times.

752
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,000
So that was where I kind of cared with about the audio.

753
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:43,000
But you're right, on these, as long as I can hear the game and the bits I need to hear, they care.

754
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:51,000
So as usual, we're tangenting. But yeah, so I think people, if you're thinking about the computer hands,

755
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:56,000
you probably know the Steam Deck more, because you'd be into Steam, you might have heard of it.

756
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,000
I hadn't heard of yours until you told me about it.

757
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,000
And then I spent a long time looking at them all.

758
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,000
I still opted for this, just because that's what I opted for.

759
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,000
But tell me about all the cool things that yours has got.

760
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,000
Because yours has got some really cool little things.

761
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:20,000
So the first thing I'm going to say, and this will probably make Bill Gates come in his pants,

762
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,000
I'm actually pleased it came with Windows 11.

763
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:29,000
And that's because a lot of the games that I own on Steam, and I don't own that many,

764
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:36,000
but a lot of them are on the, sorry, this is not compatible with SteamOS yet list.

765
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,000
And have had the, it'll be coming soon since the origin of Steam Deck.

766
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,000
So I'm not counting on it ever coming.

767
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,000
So that's why I thought I'd rather get a Windows version.

768
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,000
What's cool on mine, so A, it's got a big, big 8 point something inch screen.

769
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000
So it's got a big screen on it.

770
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Secondly, they took a leaf out of the Switchbook.

771
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:05,000
So it's got a kickstand on the back that's nice and variable, and you can have it at a good varying number of angles.

772
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,000
And it's a solid, hard to move around thing.

773
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,000
It's not done on a ratchet, so it's only set things.

774
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,000
You can have it at whatever.

775
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,000
It's the full width as well.

776
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,000
It's not just a leg like the Switch, which falls over.

777
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,000
Which is fucking stupid.

778
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000
No, it's got, yeah, it's full length.

779
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,000
It's got a nice rigidity to it.

780
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,000
But then that also means I can pop the controller off.

781
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000
So the controller standard on this is like the Steam Deck.

782
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000
It's considered an Xbox controller.

783
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,000
So you've got your A, B, X, Y. You've got shoulder.

784
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000
You've got triggers.

785
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:45,000
You've got twin thumbsticks, which are, what do they call the magnetic ones?

786
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,000
I don't know.

787
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000
It begins with the name.

788
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,000
Hall effect.

789
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,000
So it's got twin Hall effect joysticks.

790
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,000
It's got one touch pad, unlike yours.

791
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000
And then it's got the D pad.

792
00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,000
But these both disconnect from the console itself.

793
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,000
And then you can hold it like a Switch controller.

794
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:08,000
So I can set this up on, let's say, my little table on my easy jet plane to Spain.

795
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,000
I can set that up and then I can sit back in the chair with the controllers in my left and my right hand.

796
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,000
And they will carry on working like an Xbox controller.

797
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,000
Yeah, that's really cool.

798
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Which I quite like.

799
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,000
But then it has one more little trick.

800
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,000
Because when you take those controllers off, if you look at the bottom of the right controller, there's a Switch.

801
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,000
And in the box, well, in its little carry case, there's a little disc and it's magnetic.

802
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:39,000
And you clip it onto the bottom of the controller and then you slip this switch to FPS mode and the right hand controller becomes a vertical mouse.

803
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,000
That is very cool.

804
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:46,000
So you can then use it for games like Counter Strike or whatever first person shooter you're playing.

805
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:56,000
So you use the left controller to you're moving around with and then your right controller becomes your mouse with your left and right mouse button, which I think is a really cool idea.

806
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Battery life on it's pretty good.

807
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,000
And yeah, you've obviously got all the Legion software.

808
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:13,000
Now, I've watched a lot of YouTube and a lot of videos slated the Lenovo software, but none of them really revisited it since a year ago when they did that.

809
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,000
You know what? I used to watch those videos too.

810
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,000
And I was thinking, well, these are a year old.

811
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,000
Yeah.

812
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:25,000
And it was the guy, a retro guy who was doing these, the Steam Deck.

813
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,000
He came back to this one and he's got something like only a month old.

814
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:39,000
And he mentions the Legion and the ASUS one and says how they've been updated and that he plans to go back and re-look at them.

815
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,000
Which is what people need to do because I can't see any problems with the Lenovo software.

816
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,000
It works well. It allows me to do the control.

817
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:53,000
The only thing I don't like is the Lenovo control layout doesn't have an option to say use the right thumbstick as mouse.

818
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,000
Yeah.

819
00:47:54,000 --> 00:48:02,000
Whereas Steam layouts do let you use the right thumbstick as a mouse or the left, whichever way you set it up, it's up to you.

820
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Tell me about the Steam Deck.

821
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:12,000
So a 7.4 inch OLED HDR screen.

822
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,000
It's, yeah, two trackpads.

823
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Doesn't have the removable size, doesn't have the kickstand, but it's.

824
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,000
But don't get me wrong, that's a gimmick on this.

825
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,000
I've not taken these off.

826
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:29,000
But it's the thing that I kind of went for in the end is two parts of it.

827
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:36,000
One, I knew that for what I wanted to do with it was retro games.

828
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,000
I knew I wasn't having any issue with any of the working, looking.

829
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:49,000
I mean, you probably don't either have any issue, but there's so much tutorials and stuff specifically about the Steam Deck because so many people have it.

830
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:54,000
I knew I wasn't going to have any problems and I would find solutions to them.

831
00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Out of all of the handhelds, I mean, I know the ROG Ally's got a very big following and obviously got the Ally X has come out now.

832
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:07,000
I would still say probably the Steam Deck, because it's been out that much longer, has the better following.

833
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:17,000
And another key aspect of it is because of my experience with the Retroid and how difficult it was to get parts, how difficult to fix, Steam are linked with iFixit.

834
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:23,000
Every single part of this you can just go and buy from iFixit directly and just fix it yourself.

835
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:29,000
And I was like, I am clumsy. I'm going to drop it. I'm going to do something.

836
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:34,000
If I don't have to go to China or send this whole fucking thing off and can easily just change.

837
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,000
Apparently the parts in it are very easy to change.

838
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,000
The iFruits are all there.

839
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Yeah, iFixit rates are really easy to fix because Steam Deck believed in the right to repair.

840
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,000
Yeah. And that was a big selling point for me.

841
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:53,000
I have a lot of Steam games, but I'm one of those people who I have them because I was doing a lot of those.

842
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,000
When I was watching the Yorxcast a lot, every year they did that jingle jam.

843
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,000
You'd get, you could pay and get like 40 games.

844
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:04,000
That's why I've got like 300 games in my library because they're all these games I'll never actually play.

845
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,000
I'm really playing this because I wanted the retro stuff.

846
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:14,000
Well, that's it. I mean, the Steam stuff is a benefit and obviously because this is running Windows,

847
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,000
I've got all my GOG games on there with GOG Galaxy.

848
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,000
That's the thing. So I can't get that.

849
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,000
And Xbox and PlayStation streaming.

850
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:26,000
But I have no games in GOG. I don't own any.

851
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,000
The Xbox streaming. So I've got a Steam app I can use, which does the cloud.

852
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:36,000
So I can't install any of the Game Pass games on here, but I can do the cloud streaming of them.

853
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:43,000
But again, I've paid for it now because I want to test it, but I never did that anyway.

854
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,000
When I want to play Xbox games, I actually just go on my Xbox and do it.

855
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:53,000
And it's not something I would ever, I was thinking about what would I actually be doing?

856
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,000
Because I just would never do it.

857
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,000
And even then when I've got it on here and it works fine doing the cloud gaming stuff

858
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,000
and I was going through the whole list, I was like, I don't actually want to play any of these.

859
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,000
I want to go back in and play Simpsons Hit and Run.

860
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:11,000
I like the fact that this has got Game Pass, which means I can do the Game Pass games rather than streaming them.

861
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Again, haven't been on there for ages, so I don't even know what's on there.

862
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,000
But it's nice to have. You're right.

863
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,000
These are very expensive emulators for us in effect.

864
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:26,000
But if you want good quality emulation, the Retroids are fine.

865
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,000
Don't get me wrong, they are absolutely fine.

866
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,000
The new one's meant to be very good too.

867
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:37,000
But you will never beat a PC with a big chunky CPU and graphics processor.

868
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:43,000
You just won't beat those with those handhelds that are running various ARM chips from different companies.

869
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,000
You're just not going to beat them.

870
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:53,000
You're not going to get any better than a PC running an x86 and x64 architecture, in my opinion.

871
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,000
And I mean, it's very, very old fashioned, I'm sure.

872
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:09,000
I used to say, I think it was, if you want to emulate something, the computing power you need should be four times the power of the original machine, if you want to emulate it to any success.

873
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:15,000
I mean, we understand that now that's different because obviously the N64 was a pig to emulate.

874
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:23,000
So even if you got like a PC, I remember having a PC which would have been way more powerful than the N64, and it couldn't emulate GoldenEye.

875
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,000
GoldenEye really was shit on it.

876
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,000
And it was just how the emulator was built.

877
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,000
And I think it's still not that great now.

878
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,000
It's not. And so with Saturn, Saturn apparently is quite a hard one.

879
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,000
I'm experiencing that now. Yeah, I've got four Saturn games, only one that works.

880
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:46,000
Yeah. So there is obviously kind of problems on emulation, but you're right. This is the best way to do it.

881
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:53,000
Yeah. So what we're going to do, we're just going to hand each other's device to each other now.

882
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,000
OK, well, I'm going to have to unlock mine because it has a pin.

883
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,000
Oh, yeah, mine doesn't. Because of Windows.

884
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,000
There we go. Right. I've given you. So straight away, yours is so much lighter.

885
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Yeah, yours is pretty heavy. Mine is going to give me four muscles as if I...

886
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Oh, wow, that really is a firm kickstand, isn't it? Yeah.

887
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:18,000
OK, so it feels totally different. It does. It feels really different.

888
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,000
So mine's a lot lighter, yours is much more squared, heavier.

889
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,000
A lot heavier and a lot more chunky in hand.

890
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,000
And yeah, you're right, you do accidentally press these, but these mustn't be activated.

891
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,000
They're not activated the majority of time, but I found...

892
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,000
So what Rob's saying, on the side of the right controller is mouse one and mouse two.

893
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:40,000
And normally they're not enabled. But what I'm finding at the moment, I'm playing through Half-Life 2

894
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,000
because I haven't played it in ages. And after chatting with Mr. Biffo on the retro Ramble,

895
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,000
made me realise how much I missed it as a game. So I've gone back to play it.

896
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,000
Every now and then I click mouse one and suddenly the gun goes off.

897
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:56,000
So obviously I've got to work a way of disabling it in the back end, which I'm sure is possible.

898
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Yeah, you've got the haptic feedback on the track pads, just like I do.

899
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,000
You've got the quick settings button like I do as well.

900
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:11,000
Yours is down at the bottom, mine's in the top right instead. So that brings up quick settings, which...

901
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:16,000
So if you want... How do you get your... OK, yes, you've got to go to emulation station, not emu deck, sorry.

902
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,000
Yeah, mine's set up as emulation station.

903
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,000
Yeah, so is mine. You'll see inside Steam.

904
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,000
Yeah, I think the thing I'm noticing is it's heavier.

905
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,000
All these ports on the bottom... Oh yeah, there's that. Oh, OK, yeah. So there's where you have the FPS.

906
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:38,000
There's the FPS switch. And then there's two Thunderbolt 4 sockets, one at the top, one at the bottom.

907
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:46,000
Oh, right, I see. So yeah, you've added in... Like it told you to, you've added in... Oh, right, and there's your...

908
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:52,000
Oh, I like that. OK. So what I'm saying I like is Rob showed me something that he'd recently...

909
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,000
Oh, I see what you mean about the haptic.

910
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,000
Totally feels...

911
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,000
Oh, wow, that's really good haptic.

912
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:09,000
The left thumb pad on emulation station brings up a menu so I can choose kind of RetroArch, Microsoft, Sony or...

913
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:16,000
Yeah, so I was having trouble trying to remember all the hotkeys for safe states, low states, because all these emulators are different.

914
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:21,000
Retro, all the ones in RetroArch are the same because it's RetroArch that's deciding what the buttons are.

915
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:26,000
And it was like, I think, options and right shoulder or options and left shoulder.

916
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000
It was save state, load save state.

917
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:41,000
But as soon as you went out and went to a PSP game, a PS1 game, PS2 game, Xbox 360 game, or there's a Wii U game, that's number five, or game, cube game, I think six.

918
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:48,000
They're all different emulators. So they all have different hotkeys. So suddenly I'm trying to remember these things.

919
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:58,000
I found this retro, so the YouTube channel I've relied on heavily, I'm just going to bring up now because I just turned off my phone, it's called Retro Game Corps.

920
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:14,000
This guy is an absolute genius. His website has tutorials for every single one of these devices like the Lenovo, like the deck, like the aces, how to set them up, how to do different things, different settings to do for every single individual emulator.

921
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:19,000
Some of the games that do, some of the games that don't work, what's really good to try.

922
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:25,000
And one thing I noticed on one of his, he did very quickly mentioned about a radial menu.

923
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,000
It was like, oh, that sounds really cool. So I found it on the templates, put it in.

924
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:38,000
And yes, so now on mine, when you go into the emulation station, you move that trackpad around the left one, suddenly get this radial menu.

925
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:50,000
And I've massively modified it. I mean, I was talking to you. Now, none of it works until I didn't realise it. Someone just created a template of an emulator of the radial menu. They haven't actually made any of the buttons work.

926
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:58,000
Right. You've got to learn how to bloody do it. Now, I don't know if it's because I've got so many plugins running on my switch.

927
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:12,000
If you were in the area on my switch, sorry, on my deck, that if you're in the controller layout bit, changing everything, it will crash the deck after about 10 minutes of you doing it.

928
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:24,000
And it's consistent. So I was sat there last night and I power cycled the deck six times whilst doing it because after a while it suddenly would start lagging and then it would just crash.

929
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:33,000
So it must be doing one of the plugins mustn't like you being in there. There must be like a memory leak or something going on. And then it fills the cache and then crashes the system.

930
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:40,000
And you can't you can't force quit. I think like holding steam and be holding steam and X is like the force quit an app.

931
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,000
Right. Okay.

932
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,000
It won't even let you do that. You've got to hold the power down.

933
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:55,000
So let me quickly show you this. So this is what I found, which I realize if you press the Lenovo button, if you come down to I think it's which one is it?

934
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:03,000
It's one of these buttons. They go. They've got a list of touch screen buttons on that menu, including like control or delete and stuff.

935
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:09,000
Oh, yeah. So yeah, that's really good. You can't do any of that.

936
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,000
So you haven't changed on the emulation. This isn't good for people who can't actually look at it.

937
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:22,000
But we're talking about it. I mean, I really like the Steam Deck and I feel actually part of me might have wished I'd gone with this.

938
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:30,000
It's just that because I couldn't have played all of my Steam library. So things like Bully, for example, I'm really looking forward to playing through again.

939
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,000
Yeah. So for me to play Bully, I have to play the emulated version of Bully.

940
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:40,000
Yeah. So well, Max Payne is a prime example. I have both Max Payne and Steam.

941
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,000
And the Windows version is very different to the console version.

942
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:53,000
Yeah. There's big chunks of level missing on the Xbox or the PS2 version that you just don't get, that you do get on the PC one.

943
00:58:53,000 --> 00:59:01,000
So it is interesting to see the benefits can in a way outweigh the difference.

944
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:07,000
So I'm just holding on to this now. So I'm actually going to go to a game that's really important to me.

945
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,000
Oh, what game is it?

946
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,000
Oh, you haven't changed the names of yours yet.

947
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:20,000
Oh, right. So I haven't scraped the entire library. I scraped, I think about 1200 titles and then it said, you hit your limit.

948
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:25,000
Yeah, per day. Yeah. If you are you logged in? No. Log in, you get it back again. Oh, really?

949
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:32,000
So log out. You get a few, you get like a few hundred. Log in, then you can do like a few, you can do like over a thousand.

950
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,000
There's two choices you get. The second one you choose has a much higher daily limit.

951
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,000
Yes, but you get different data.

952
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:43,000
Yeah, but I don't mind. As long as it just got the name and the images, it's fine.

953
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:52,000
So Banjo Kazooie on yours is called Banjo 2 Kazooie No Daibukan. So you've got the non-European version.

954
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:57,000
Yeah, you're running the Japanese version or at least it's populated it with the Japanese.

955
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,000
Interesting. Okay.

956
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,000
So I'm just...

957
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,000
No, that's...

958
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,000
My favourite game in the world. I want to see how yours actually...

959
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:12,000
So N64 I think runs fine. I tried Luigi's Mansion and I played with the emulator a bit and I dropped it as it was trying to run it in native.

960
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:18,000
And it ran beautifully in native. It must have been running between 27 and 30 frames a second.

961
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:26,000
And I dropped it down to 720 and then it was permanently at 30. So I'm guessing it's one of those games that's locked at 30 frames a second anyway.

962
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,000
So I'm keeping it at 720 because it just looked nice anyway. It really didn't matter.

963
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:36,000
There's me pressing the button trying to figure out where start was. I'm pressing the top right because that's start on that.

964
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,000
I know, the start is down the bottom left.

965
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Yours is down here where my second trackpad is.

966
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,000
Yeah, or where your Steam button is.

967
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,000
My Steam button, that's right.

968
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:51,000
I think they're very good bits of kit. I'm not going to discount that at all. I think they are brilliant bits of kit and they're going to be brilliant for travelling.

969
01:00:51,000 --> 01:01:01,000
I'm planning on going up to Blackpool in October, which is for the retro expo or whatever they call it. Play expo.

970
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,000
Well, I'm planning to go with you.

971
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,000
Hopefully so.

972
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,000
Hopefully so.

973
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,000
And it's just a weekend of retro. And the train journey is going to be about three to four hours.

974
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,000
We'll both be sat there doing this.

975
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,000
We could just sit there and play versus each other.

976
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:17,000
I've got my big ass Anker power bank, which will power both of these at the same time.

977
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,000
So, no, I think they're brilliant, brilliant bits of kit.

978
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:34,000
Yeah. So, yeah, I think if anybody is kind of interested in this stuff, I mean, the guys on the What's Wrong With Rolfie podcast on their Discord were talking about theirs.

979
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,000
Yeah, and I've told Jason I've got one.

980
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:42,000
But yeah, I'm really happy with it. Even T's been having a go on it.

981
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,000
Oh, yeah, Street Fighter right here.

982
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:51,000
Yeah, he was watching Miranda play Street Fighter. And he's been playing Americot Double Dash, which is quite cool.

983
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,000
So I want to be baby Mario and Peach.

984
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,000
And you can kind of make them swap around the carpet.

985
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:02,000
Yeah. So we've talked about 25 minutes on two things that nobody listening can actually see.

986
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:17,000
No, but I think it's what I would say is if you are going to get something like this, then what you really need to do is research it like you did.

987
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,000
Yeah. What do you want it for?

988
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:29,000
That's where you got to figure because that's because they are the three main ones, the Steam Deck, the Lenovo and the and the Asus ROG Ally, whatever it's called.

989
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:36,000
Three main ones, similar, but also quite varied in price is a weird kind of.

990
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:52,000
Now, I'm going to throw a spanner in the works because obviously the Legion Go has got the Legion Go 2 has just been announced, which is going to be the Ryzen 2 Zen Pro 2 or something processor in it.

991
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:56,000
So this one's already out of date, but I don't care for what I need it for.

992
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:03,000
That's what you've got to remember. But if you wanted the newest latest and greatest, that's going to keep up with AAA games to low standard.

993
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,000
That's the one you're going to be looking for.

994
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:13,000
But they've also announced the S, which at the moment is running Windows, but they are going to be selling it with Steam OS as an option too.

995
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:21,000
And what Steam OS has now said is very soon they are going to be releasing Steam OS for any of these devices.

996
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:29,000
So they will release a link to me at some point saying you can install Steam OS on your Legion Go.

997
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,000
Because you have it as a partition.

998
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,000
We are old dual boot it and see how it goes.

999
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:43,000
But the thing is, is if they do that, then there's a good chance that the Steam Deck isn't going to be the only Steam OS device anymore.

1000
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,000
Well, you can do these as well.

1001
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:51,000
Yes, because the process is architecture, the boring side of it. Yeah, you could do anything with it.

1002
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,000
But yeah, it does mean there's going to be more Steam OS.

1003
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:59,000
So if you wanted Steam OS, but you didn't want to trust Valve and their in-house stuff.

1004
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,000
Yeah.

1005
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:05,000
Maybe you'll look at the ROG or the Lenovo version that just comes prepack with Steam OS.

1006
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,000
Yeah.

1007
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,000
But yeah, definitely worth it. Lots of research needed.

1008
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,000
Yeah.

1009
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,000
But no, I'm not doing the ship sound again.

1010
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,000
Just go to the next section. No one is still listening anyway.

1011
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,000
It's pointless.

1012
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,000
Right.

1013
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,000
This episode was this episode because I wanted to ease us in.

1014
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,000
So we didn't really pick.

1015
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,000
If that's what you call easing in, I feel sorry for your wife, mate.

1016
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,000
Ooh la la.

1017
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,000
Ooh la la.

1018
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,000
So we're going to get back into the meat of it as of next episode.

1019
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:42,000
Now, we're going to be, I'm going to be planning ahead, but as usual, as with the Star Trek ones,

1020
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,000
we'd be telling you I need one in advance.

1021
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,000
Maybe I'll put something up.

1022
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,000
I never put anything up on the site.

1023
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,000
Like all of the stuff we talk about.

1024
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,000
We need to get better at it.

1025
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,000
We definitely need to get better at the site.

1026
01:04:53,000 --> 01:05:00,000
I mean, Lightly Used is putting their episode, pardon me, every episode of theirs has gone up on the site as well.

1027
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,000
Yeah, nerds.

1028
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,000
So we do need to get into doing that.

1029
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,000
Nerds.

1030
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,000
So homework for everyone.

1031
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,000
Firstly, guess the intro.

1032
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,000
Seven.

1033
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,000
Now they are all sci-fi.

1034
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,000
So that's always going to be the case.

1035
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,000
I'm not going to be throwing in a random rom-com.

1036
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,000
No, no, no, no.

1037
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,000
All sci-fi.

1038
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:24,000
First person to email, Robert channel84.co.uk will get the £10 Amazon voucher.

1039
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,000
Yep.

1040
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,000
If you get them all correct.

1041
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,000
Yes.

1042
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:33,000
So next time we are going to be watching Falash Gordon.

1043
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,000
Savior of the universe.

1044
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,000
Yeah.

1045
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,000
Haven't seen it in such a long time.

1046
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,000
I'm really excited to watch it again.

1047
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,000
Now, where can you watch it?

1048
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,000
It's not free anywhere, which is annoying.

1049
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:46,000
Well, you can view it by renting it on Amazon Prime.

1050
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
Things like £3 or something.

1051
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,000
It's on Apple TV+.

1052
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:56,000
If you own, if you subscribe to Apple TV+, I think it's there that you don't have to pay for because you're already a subscriber.

1053
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,000
I think.

1054
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,000
It's also, you can rent it for there or obviously the, you know, the high seas.

1055
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,000
You can find it on there somewhere.

1056
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:08,000
Or dare I say jump on Amazon and buy it on DVD for probably £2.99.

1057
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,000
Yeah, I'm sure that the whole thing is on YouTube.

1058
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,000
Now don't quote me on that.

1059
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:18,000
But I'm pretty sure you've got a feeling you can watch the whole thing on YouTube.

1060
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:24,000
So I'm going to be looking there first because I don't have Apple TV+.

1061
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:28,000
And, you know, if I can get it free, I'm going to get it for free.

1062
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,000
Yeah, you can rent it on YouTube £3.19.

1063
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,000
Sky Store £3.49.

1064
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,000
Google Play movies £3.9.

1065
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,000
Same as YouTube.

1066
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,000
The BFI player, if you're that desperate £3.50.

1067
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,000
Apple £3.49.

1068
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:46,000
So yeah, you can rent it or you can buy it from all those places.

1069
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,000
But yeah, jump onto eBay as well.

1070
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:53,000
And I bet you I can probably find it cheap on eBay as well.

1071
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:57,000
Flash Gordon DVD.

1072
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,000
1980.

1073
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:04,000
So Flash Gordon DVD, Sam Jay Jones £2.93.

1074
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,000
I've done no research on any of the actors.

1075
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,000
I'm terribly sorry if any of these actors are now really people that you shouldn't be talking about.

1076
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,000
But I'm not going to put that into account when I'm picking these shows.

1077
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,000
Sorry, everyone.

1078
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:22,000
If it turns out that one of the people in or the director or the person who wrote it or produced it

1079
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:29,000
turned out to not be a great person, that's not going to come into my brain when I'm actually picking these things.

1080
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,000
I'm just going to be picking them for what they are.

1081
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,000
I just enjoy them for what they are at the time that they were released.

1082
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:42,000
Yeah, if there is sudden massive, massive concern because there's something we obviously missed, we will tell you.

1083
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,000
But on the most part, I think we're going to be safe.

1084
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:50,000
Yeah, we're not going to be watching the videography of Mein Kampf.

1085
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,000
Put it out there.

1086
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:57,000
Command functions are offline.

1087
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,000
Thank God for that.

1088
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,000
That's it.

1089
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,000
Thank you very much, Tom.

1090
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,000
Thank you very much.

1091
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,000
Lovely to see you again.

1092
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,000
It's been quite well.

1093
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,000
Have we seen each other over the holidays?

1094
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,000
We haven't.

1095
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,000
Haven't seen each other except for me dropping off your presents for tea.

1096
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,000
In fact, that was to Miranda.

1097
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,000
So no, I didn't see you.

1098
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,000
No, we've spoken.

1099
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,000
Yeah.

1100
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,000
Hello.

1101
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,000
This is what I look like, remember?

1102
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,000
Yeah, just about.

1103
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,000
I thought you were more ginger, but obviously not.

1104
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,000
No, instead I thought you were more ginger, you're more grey now.

1105
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,000
Fuck you.

1106
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,000
You know what, actually, your grey is more blonde, actually.

1107
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,000
Yeah, no, my hair won't go grey.

1108
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,000
It'll go blonde.

1109
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,000
It's gone a very nice blonde.

1110
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,000
My beard's going grey.

1111
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,000
So God knows what's going on with that.

1112
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,000
It's taking its time.

1113
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,000
Mine's way ahead of yours.

1114
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,000
Yeah, but let's not forget, I am the man that went to the barber.

1115
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,000
So in the summer when my hair was long, this is a few years ago now,

1116
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,000
in the summer it bleaches it so it goes much more blonde.

1117
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,000
And went into a hairdresser and said,

1118
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,000
I want it all shaded off this back in the day when I used to just have like a number two all over.

1119
01:08:55,000 --> 01:09:01,000
And he started shaving and said, oh, why have you dyed your hair ginger under this?

1120
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,000
I am ginger.

1121
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,000
Why on earth would I...

1122
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,000
You're a hairdresser?

1123
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,000
Yeah, why have you done your roots?

1124
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,000
Why have you dyed ginger roots?

1125
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,000
Do you think...

1126
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,000
Oh, no, sorry, I've got the story right.

1127
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,000
He looks at me and says, why have you dyed your beard ginger?

1128
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,000
And I said, because I am ginger.

1129
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:26,000
And he shaved it and went, oh, so you are.

1130
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,000
For fuck's sake.

1131
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,000
Oh, what a twat.

1132
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,000
Who on earth would dye their beard ginger and stay blonde?

1133
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,000
I just, no.

1134
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,000
Well, there was loads of YouTubers when they were dying all their hairs different colours.

1135
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,000
Fair enough.

1136
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,000
Aqua in the 90s had some interesting choices,

1137
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,000
but not even they were brave enough to go full ginger.

1138
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,000
I bet you there was someone.

1139
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:47,000
Oh, probably.

1140
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,000
And it would probably be someone for nonce watching, I might laugh.

1141
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,000
See you next time.

1142
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,000
See you next time.

1143
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,000
Twat.

1144
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,000
Fuck.

1145
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,000
We could end the episode.

1146
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,000
We could.

1147
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,000
But then no one would know how to find us or contact us.

1148
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,000
No one fucking contacts us anyway.

1149
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,000
Now there's a £10 incentive someone might fucking email me.

1150
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,000
I know who does email me and he's so lovely.

1151
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,000
Adam does.

1152
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,000
I've had two lovely emails.

1153
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,000
Love you Adam.

1154
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,000
Love you Adam.

1155
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,000
Star Trek related.

1156
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,000
I'm not ignoring him.

1157
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,000
We don't do him.

1158
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,000
We don't do Star Trek.

1159
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,000
Sorry, I'm not ignoring you Adam.

1160
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,000
I just need to collect my thoughts to respond to you correctly.

1161
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,000
It's a prime Star Wars podcast now.

1162
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,000
A lot of Deep Space Nine.

1163
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,000
He's been watching Deep Space Nine.

1164
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,000
Oh, Deep Space Nine is great.

1165
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,000
Anyway, go on then Rob.

1166
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,000
I need your fucking help.

1167
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,000
You can find us everywhere on the internet.

1168
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,000
The end.

1169
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,000
Thanks for watching.

1170
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,000
You can find us on all the standard YouTube.

1171
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,000
Oh my god, even I've got it wrong.

1172
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,000
Okay, right.

1173
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,000
Now I'm going to try again.

1174
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:50,000
So on Twitter, X, it is at underscore untitled sci-fi show.

1175
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,000
Blue Sky just wrote untitled sci-fi show.

1176
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,000
I don't understand how Blue Sky, you find things with Blue Sky, but that's me.

1177
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,000
Yeah.

1178
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,000
I mean, I'm, if you.

1179
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,000
If I need to update yours.

1180
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,000
Now you've definitely got that tag.

1181
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:08,000
I'll change you to the untitled sci-fi show.channel84.co.uk.

1182
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:13,000
So you'll be able to find us via our currently official way of doing it.

1183
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,000
Channel84.co.uk is the website.

1184
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,000
Find all the Studio Channel 84 shows on there, Lightly Used, Who Takes His Socks Off.

1185
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:27,000
You can view us and hear us on the incredibly long Who Takes His Socks Off audio special.

1186
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,000
Christmas special.

1187
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,000
And also the video special.

1188
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,000
If you'd like to see us, we had a lot of fun.

1189
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,000
All of the studio guys are there.

1190
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,000
Ross being in charge, being the taskmaster.

1191
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,000
Yeah.

1192
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,000
Absolutely brilliant.

1193
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,000
Really funny.

1194
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,000
It was really, really good.

1195
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:49,000
You can also email us, TJ at channel84.co.uk for me, Robert channel84.co.uk for him.

1196
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,000
Or if you want to email both of us at the same time, it's podcasts.

1197
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:57,000
That's plural podcasts at channel84.co.uk.

1198
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,000
Is that everything this time?

1199
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,000
Yes.

1200
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,000
Love you.

1201
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,000
Love you.

1202
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:11,000
Thank you for listening to the Untitled Sci-Fi Show.

1203
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:31,000
This station is now shutting down and will be back in two weeks.

1204
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:44,000
May the force live long and prosper inside of you.

1205
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,000
This was a Studio Channel 84 network show.

1206
01:12:47,000 --> 01:13:02,000
To find more, head over to channel84.co.uk now.