Oh my head.
Oh where am I?
Oh what a New Year's Eve.
Those lower dexers really need that out to party.
Right. What am I doing today?
Oh no.
I collect spores, molts and fungus.
Welcome to the Untitled Sci-Fi Show.
Hello and welcome to the Untitled Sci-Fi Show.
Ooh.
Where this week we're going to be talking about Star Trek.
Yeah, I mean I know we've been going on about save lower dex, but I really have been saving lower dex.
I've been saving it as my back catalogue because I've not watched it yet.
Same. Same, I haven't watched it yet.
Oh dear.
That first episode put me off. I'm not going to lie, that first episode I thought was so boring and dull compared to the season finale of whatever the season was before it.
It put me off a little bit.
You know I have watched that now.
And it was good isn't it?
It's pretty good actually.
It's just flowingly good. Just everything and the whole, the final battle and it just worked so well.
And little jokes about him looking like Tom Paris.
Yeah.
I enjoyed that.
That was brilliant. That was absolutely brilliant.
Anyway, I'm only missing a little bit. We're not here to talk about Star Trek. Not outside of the fact that this...
It will come back.
Yeah it will. So, as you're aware of listening to this, hopefully you listen to what was before. The Untitled Trek show is now the Untitled Sci-Fi show.
We're not going to be focusing just on Star Trek. We're going to be doing everything really. TV, films, we could do books as well. There's loads of sci-fi books that I really enjoy.
Games. We always want to talk about games. We think we're going to put them here.
Yeah, absolutely.
Particularly this week.
We're going to move gaming from the Variety show over to the Sci-Fi show. Not that we really talked much about gaming in either of them previously.
I mean it was quite heavy hell divers.
Yeah, but that was our life though.
That was our life for a few weeks. Democracy then just left us.
Yeah. We haven't been allowed to vote and that's the worst thing that could happen to us. They took our voting rights away.
But I feel like gaming has a place here.
Yeah, I think so. It's called sci-fi. It's really kind of all of just our nerdy stuff.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah.
Insert new non-Star Trek related transition effect here.
Right. So as usual, what have you been doing?
I've watched a few things.
Ooh, I know.
First thing I went back and watched after saying I wanted to watch it and end up watching the wrong film, I finally watched Knowing, which is the whole Mayan prophecy and Nicolas Cage running around going,
Oh my God, the numbers, the numbers are right. It's coming to an end.
And then the film actually does end with everyone dying and then children being badly CGI'd into an alien ulapipipupu land against a Joshua tree and basically being,
Yeah, you're just going to repopulate Earth that girl you're with. Yeah, you got a knobber. Sorry.
How old are these kids?
They're like 10. It's just like, it's a messed up film.
Nonswatch.
I'm not having the first essence of Nonswatch in the Trek show, the sci-fi show.
No, the thing is, and I'll tell Gemma about this, up until the whole alien thing, it's not that bad a film.
It's got suspense. It's quite an interesting idea.
Unfortunately, the problem is, it's very rare to find anyone that will end a film with just a really negative dark end.
And for them just to the end of the film with, we've saved the kids and now everyone dies, maybe was a little too dark, but it was just so badly done.
We've just taken the kids and they're in this weird alien cornfield basically, and they're going towards what looks like a Joshua tree.
And it's just really shit. And the whole alien thing at the end, they just don't look good.
They could have had a better end. It would have actually been better to have ended it really negatively and just said, yeah, everyone dies.
The Mayans were right. Shit.
But even they wouldn't do that in Deep Impacts. I mean, Deep Impacts, my joke is that's the depressive version of Armageddon.
I mean, the only depressing thing about Armageddon is that Bruce didn't let Ben Affleck go and kill himself.
It should have so been his job. Leave him. Bruce, leave him. You were the better person.
But yeah, Deep Impact kills half the fucking planet and it kills the cast of the saviours and the heroes on their space shuttle.
So it's one of those kind of depressing things. But at least they ended it. They could have done better.
I thought you were describing National Treasure until you started getting the aliens.
Oh, no, National Treasure is a good film. I like National Treasure.
Just when you were saying about Nicolas Cage running around, it was like, well, that's basically National Treasure.
That's Nicolas Cage, if you think about it. The rock, Face Off, all those. He's just running around.
Con Air.
He's running around in Con Air when he's off the plane.
I said put the bunny down. Well, tough shit.
So yeah, I watched Knowing and it wasn't as bad as I remember. It's still in my book, a bad film, but it wasn't as bad as I remember.
I then watched on Freevy, which is Amazon's free kind of thing, like Plex is one. I watched Robocop, the prime directives.
The prime directives.
So this, I think, must be one of the first examples of what the Americans would call an R. Is it R rated for an 18?
Yeah, I think that's what it is.
So we would call it an 18, Americans would call it an R rating.
It's the first example of something that went to the cinemas that was designed for adults that then got kidified so they could try and market it to children as well.
And I remember when it aired in the UK, it aired on ITV on a Saturday and it would have been around maybe the lunchtime and they were like half an hour episodes.
And it's this story of you've got Robocop, then his best friend gets turned into basically Robocop 2 in, if I vaguely remember, it's slightly darker Robocop basically.
And there's like, oh, there's so much to unpack in it.
Then one of the scientists who disagrees with all of it gets murdered, but instead she gets embedded into the computer instead and it goes all a bit Power Rangers at one point where her face is on this kind of glowing warp core tube thing.
And it's about Robocop trying to persuade that the new Robocop that actually they used to be friends and that he needs to fight these directives he's been given, because of course they marketed Robocop as bad again.
Oh, it's dire. It's absolutely dire, but it is interesting to see that something took that adult rated thing that we already know.
It's always been a weird thing for me that you go into a toy shop back in the 80s and 90s and it's like, yeah, Alien, you know that film that's really scared a lot of adults.
Let's make kid toys of that or Terminator.
I've got the Terminator 2 toys in the room next to us.
Exactly.
I've got the motorbike, it opens up, fires a rocket out the top of it.
Yeah, then that's the proof, isn't it?
Yeah.
The kids have not seen the film.
So for them, all these kids of this generation went and bought the Terminator 2 bug.
It's like, oh, wow, when I'm old enough to watch this, this is going to be so cool.
He fires a missile out the bike. Does he fuck?
Yeah, it's just a normal Harley.
With about three, oh no, so it's the dirt bike that's got 300 gears.
So my boys lost the bloody missile.
That survived my whole childhood, that thing.
He's had it for a few years and he's lost the missile.
So I did have the T1000. The T1000 toy was brilliant because the chest and pieces would come off it.
You could replace them and the arm would come off and it would be a big spiked arm.
The one that I really remember was this big toy.
It was in the Argos catalogue and it basically came with, I guess it was like putty or something.
You'd squeeze it in and you'd put the endoskeleton in and then you'd squeeze play dough over it.
It became like the skin of the T800.
I've got a feeling I had that.
So I've also got the little figure of Arnie and you can take the arm off and it can be a normal arm
or take it off and then it's a flesh destroyed arm and you pull a thing out and then what is it in the film?
A spike comes out his arm. Well, that's the wrong Terminator, isn't it? That's the T1000.
When does Arnie do a fist and then a spike come out of the fist?
Now, ah, no. Has the toy creator fucked up?
Big question. As Robocop, he has a spike in his hand and that's how he uses kind of the...
As a fist.
When he makes a fist, I think it is the first film.
He starts having the memory of what's going on and he storms into the police station.
He makes a fist and this giant spike comes out and he pushes it into the computer to do the data transfer.
That's on the...the bike's in there, but they don't know where Arnie is.
My point is, has the toy creator got Robocop muddled up with Terminator and included there?
I wonder. I'll have to find it before you leave.
As it's a similar era.
Yeah. And then I've got the tall one. I don't know how you can tell me how big that is. That high.
Right, OK.
Terminator, his arms kind of just move forward and backwards, but he's got five buttons on the back.
One's a machine gun noise. One's a shotgun.
And then the other two are, I'll be back. And then, hasta la vista baby.
And then the middle one just makes his eyes light up. And he has a mini gun.
Oh wow, so it's a T2 one again.
And then the shotgun is...
But isn't it weird? We went through this era. You wouldn't get that now. You wouldn't get like...
Oh, I don't know. Smile, the horror film.
By the way, we've done kids toys for Smile.
And they're like, well they've got to emufy it. It'd be all like Japanese.
Or Alien Romulus. Oh yeah, we've re-released the toy range for kids.
Including kind of the birth scene where the baby rips out. It's like, yeah, of course that's what we did, isn't it?
You do a little slider and it comes out of your chest. And it pushes you back in and goes back in again.
And then you're next to the bluey toys.
But that was just an era. It was the 80s. They did that.
You don't do it now. Funny that.
But yeah, Prime Directives, it's shit. It's terrible. It is basically PG rated Robocop with a really crap story.
And it's funny because I remember watching it the first time around when it was on ITV.
And I just always assumed, because I hadn't seen Robocop 1, 2 or 3, I'd assumed what they'd done is they'd watershed it.
And they'd split it into like 30 minute gap bits or 25 minute bits to make it an episode based thing.
Of course, now looking back at it, there's like 10 episodes or whatever it is. So it could never have been the film.
So it was this weird separate thing. But yeah, not good.
Well, would you look at this? 12 minutes in and he's already fucked it up. Great planning, mate. Great planning.
Before we get going any further.
Well, I've got to ask you.
Yeah, I know. But before we get any further.
I said to you before we stopped recording, I've done a little bit of planning, but not really planned.
The intro was fucking shit. Have you had a nice Christmas?
Yeah, not too bad.
I want to save it for the variety show, because that's more of a conversational element of the variety show.
That is actually something we're discussing in the next show.
Okay, right. And also, you may notice obviously the intros changed.
It has.
And we're going to be playing a game that you can listen to it, that everyone have heard it now.
You will have heard it in the past, because anybody that had listened to the special and the end after the credits of the special will have heard the very same intro that we just played now.
And inside the intro is seven cuts like audio snippets.
And they're from different sci-fi shows. One, two, three, four, five, six. Yeah. So there's seven.
So there's seven different shows hidden in that intro.
And the first person who can list all seven, excluding anybody from the studio lot.
Right.
And the second person who can list the show in the studio, because they're all anybody that follows my private account on Facebook will know the answers already, because we've discussed already.
I'll give you a shout out next show.
You know what? I'm going to put something else to it.
I will give them a £10 Amazon voucher if whoever's the first one to email you all seven them correctly to rob at channel84.co.uk.
I will pony up a £10 Amazon voucher for that.
Well, don't do that every week because we're going to be every week.
This first one, this first one. Seven. I want all you don't have to do them in order.
If you doubt be great if you could, but all seven and you have to be exact if you want to win this £10.
100%. And also by the way, if you go and listen to the variety show episode, which is coming after this one, obviously this came out.
Then the variety shows the week after I'm testing you on your sci-fi knowledge.
There's going to be 15 sci-fi clips you've got to identify.
Well, as everyone knows, I know fuck all about Trek and I fuck all about sci-fi too.
But you get on Garage.
That's a spaceship warping, obviously.
Right. What have I been doing? What have I been watching?
Okay. So we finished you. Absolutely brilliant. Oh, what a great series.
You know, I almost said I enjoyed it more than films, but it's all completely on par with those two remakes of films, which I think are brilliant.
Now it's funny you say that because I was going through Plex earlier trying to work out what to watch.
I thought I'd look at what free shit's available.
They've got the old Jun TV series on there, which I didn't realise is James McAvoy.
Oh, is it? Yeah. Did I already know that? We were very young.
Yeah. And while you're talking, I'm going to quickly look it up because I can't remember what date they said it was.
I don't know if I've seen the original film. Miranda brought it for me.
I think it was last Christmas or my birthday, 2023 on Blu-ray. I haven't watched it yet.
But yeah, the two remake films are great. This series was absolutely brilliant.
Yeah. So that was that we binge that we just finished Squid Game 2.
I'm not going to tell you anything about it because you're already just into it now.
But I thought Squid Game 2 was fantastic as well. We binge that.
I'm looking forward to getting into it. I've just watched the first episode and it's brilliant. It really is good.
Before you came here, I just watched. I'm just now I'm now Googling because I can't remember what it's called.
There's a new series on on Amazon where every episode is different.
It's very much like the Netflix series. Love, Death and Robots.
Stingy is going to kill me because he's going to be shouting at his phone now.
Let's just pause for a second. Jesus. So unprofessional.
Right. We're back. I'll cut some of that. Secret level.
So I just watched the first episode of Secret Level, which was a D&D one.
Yeah, because I've got the Warhammer one coming up at some point. So good.
Which is the Warhammer one? Let's go to episode list.
Yeah. So Warhammer is episode five. Right. Okay.
So Sifu is the next one. But yeah, the Dungeons and Dragons one. Wow.
Stylistically brilliant. The people that have worked on that on the computer graphs of that as well.
Brilliant. The face, all the characters faces. There's none of that. Uncanny Valley.
There's none of that. They look fucking brilliant. Oh, that's good.
I think as well because it is stylised, they've gone for realism quote unquote,
but stylised it to not be real, if that makes sense.
So the models look real, but the colour scheme isn't. And I think that's what keeps it away from being that.
Fine. That makes sense. Yeah. And it was really good. Really, really good.
So if anyone's likes Love, Death and Robots, anybody into any of this shit that we're talking about on this podcast,
I think then they'll like this so far. I mean, I've only one episode out of 15. So they might be crap.
It could suddenly crash and burn. It could be crap. I mean, there's a few on here that you're kind of like, I think it's a Pac-Man one.
But for all I know, the Pac-Man one could be the best one for all I know.
For 45 minutes of the episode. Children of June, by the way, was James McAvoy's one. 2003.
Yeah, that is the series. 2003. 2003. Alec Newman and James McAvoy with the titling people on it.
Isn't that what? Because I don't know about that. I don't really know. But the two June films, they're not just the first.
Like the remake two. Are they just remakes of the first film or are they both together?
I honestly have no idea because I've never watched any of it. I've never followed the story of June.
The only bit of June I know was being disappointed after playing June 2, loving it and thinking I want to play the first one and realising it wasn't a real time strategy.
It's a point and click adventure.
They've got a new one coming out. It's like supposedly some kind of survival MMO or something.
Interesting. I could with the ones I played, June 2, loved. Basically it was Command and Conquer but June.
And then we got June 2000, which is it was just a 2K.
An updated version of it. No, no, they did put 2000. It was June 2000 and it was just an updated version of June 2 basically.
Nicer graphics. So probably in line with maybe Red Alert 2 instead. That sort of era.
And it was just really good game. It was made by Westwood. So it was just Command and Conquer in a different, different guise.
So that's all I really know of June.
So that's really what I've been doing. And then other than looking after the boy.
The boy. Really, I'm doing this. Hardly Shakespeare is it.
Accessing library computer data.
Ridiculous.
So for the eagle-eared listeners who might remember back before Christmas, we went to the cinema together.
We did.
And what did we see?
The 40th anniversary.
Yeah, it might have been.
I'm pretty sure it was the 40th anniversary of the original Ghostbusters.
Yeah, we went to the cinema.
So worth seeing on the big screen.
Yeah, really was.
So worth it.
Seeing the practical effects, even that big on screen, they still look good.
They look great.
The librarian is still genuinely disturbing.
Yeah. You watch and you think, yeah, okay, if it was done now, obviously aspects of it would be better.
Quote unquote better.
But all the practical stuff, you don't get any better than it.
It is what it is.
It's, you know, okay, some of the way they do things now, they work with different technologies for making different things.
But the practical side of it, practical in my book is best.
Yes, 100%.
And, you know, I'm still the bastion of thinking the thing is one of the best practical effect films.
The thing or scanners.
Yeah.
Have you seen it?
There's a brilliant scene when the, I think he's a newsreader, his head explodes.
And I've seen, I think it was, it wasn't Mythbusters, but I think Adam Savage explained how it was done.
And basically they had the mannequin there with the model's head and it was just full of red goo and everything like that.
And someone sat behind the chair with a shotgun and fired the shotgun at the back of this model's head.
Yeah.
Making it just explode in the way it did.
Well, the thing is as well about my feeling about horrors is that the less you see of the baddie, the better the baddie is.
And this is science.
Because it's your imagination.
Yeah, this is science.
Because your imagination takes over.
And, you know, that's one thing about like Alien, first Alien.
You didn't really see the Aliens whole kind of visage.
Did you?
Okay. So actually very quickly, very, and I know it's moving away from Ghostbuster.
Alien or Aliens, which is your preference?
Hmm. Yeah, see, I quite like Alien.
See, Alien is my preference.
And I know they're two very different films.
Alien is a horror.
Yeah.
Horror thriller, I guess you'd go down the roof.
Aliens is an action.
They are two very different films.
And I really don't know if it's true, but apparently the funding process for Aliens was James Cameron walks into the room, wrote Alien on the board, and then put a dollar after the word Alien and said Aliens.
And that was it.
They said yes.
So apparently that's the story.
I can believe it.
I can believe it, to be honest.
But no, Alien for me is the perfect because it's that one on one mentality.
It's that you're being hunted by this thing when it uncurls from the wall.
Yeah, yeah.
Towards the end of the film.
It's just brilliant.
It's really good.
Yeah.
Sorry.
The chest exploding.
But yeah, it's the practical effect.
I absolutely agree.
Practical effects.
And we've said it on the show before.
There is a reason why you look back at some of the old Star Trek films.
When you see the old Enterprise 1701 floating around in spagestock outside of Earth, the
reason it looks so good is because it's real.
So you're actually looking at something that is real.
Even though we all know 1701 doesn't exist, the fact that the model there is great.
The model exists.
It looks real.
It looks the part.
Whereas all these modern sci-fi films, why is everything shiny?
Didn't we make this point when we watched that original series episode and they took
all the practical outside elements out and did CGI?
Yeah, everything had changed to CGI.
Everything was clean and shiny.
I was like, this is fucking gross.
It looked awful.
It's like the stuff I made at uni.
It was rubbish.
It's like every battle the fucking Enterprise has been in.
Are you telling me someone goes out there with a sponge and a bucket and cleans off
the blaster marks?
I do wonder how they keep their ships so clean.
That's Space Dock.
We need to go to Deep Space 7.
They're the ones that have got the Starship wash.
Yeah, have you got the stamp card?
I've got six.
Get this from Free.
Giant rotating things in space that you take your Starship through.
You've got a roller.
Oh, not quite sense.
Oh no.
You know when you're cleaning the inside of a fish tank, you have one of those magnetic
sponges.
Have you seen those?
It'd be like just people on the inside of the ship.
They'd have one on the outside and they'd be using a magnet scrubbing the outside of
the ship.
Right, we've paid for it.
Hang on, why are we so dirty still?
Who didn't turn the shields off?
He's been scrubbing the shield.
Well, that's what it'd be like.
Aren't all of the wing, the things at the front, the wing shields as it were, all like...
They're just a screen.
No, because now it's the, you said about it, the see-through metal alloy that's Spock.
Oh yeah.
Not that Scotty.
Scotty.
Transparent aluminium.
That's yeah.
Yeah, what like the bollocks?
Aluminum.
Yes, where were we?
Ghostbusters.
Right, Ghostbusters.
This is a Star Trek font.
The practical effects of the original Ghostbuster film and even the second one, and I know people
are really down on the second one.
I like the second one, but...
I've just seen the second one a million times.
It's still a really good film, but I've just seen it so many times, because that was the
one they put on all the time.
They always repeated it.
Yeah.
Always.
I remember Channel 5 started airing in the UK, and I think one of the first films they
put on was fucking Ghostbusters 2.
That or porn.
Yeah, that or, yeah, porn.
Or ice hockey.
Yeah, they had some shit on there, didn't they?
Oh, you must have said Channel 4.
I couldn't get Channel 5 though, I couldn't even get it.
See, weirdly, it was my best mate's dad was the one that was allocated to Chiswell Green
to go round and tune everyone's TV, and he was paid by the government to go into people's
houses and tune their TVs to Channel 5.
Oh, he couldn't tune their televisions.
Because it was a new channel.
No one...
But I could tune...
It had been in the press, it had been in the newspaper, but don't forget, we could.
Can you imagine your dad trying to tune the TV?
Yeah.
Well, he can now change the inputs.
Sorry, Dad.
He's been shown.
He's got a...
Yeah, but he's been shown.
But go back then, on the old CRT, nice big old TV, where it would have been, dependent
on the age of the TV, it might have been done through the controller, but I remember ours,
the first TV we had, you had, went up to the TV and you pressed and out came this little
tray, and you had all the channel numbers there, and each of them had a little rotary
dial, and you had to change, and that's how you tuned each separate number.
Yeah, I wonder, I'd have to ask him, because he did have a lot of stuff back then.
He was quite...
He would always be getting the new thing, and we joke now that he's always getting the
10-year-old stuff, because he knows it works.
But back then he didn't.
But back then he wasn't.
He was always getting these massive televisions that took four of us to lift it into the fucking
living room.
Do you remember when we came to my house and he had that massive bloody...
How big was it?
It must have been a 50-inch CRT.
Very ugly.
And it went to Chris, and he had Chris brought it for us.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
He never actually gave my dad the money, Chris.
We all helped him get in the car.
Imagine putting an N64 on that now.
Yeah, yeah.
Dreams.
Where am I going with this?
Yeah.
The thing is, I knew how to tune, because I had to tune my Megadrive in.
True.
Yes.
So I had the little switch box.
We didn't have like the Americans, which was, what do they have?
Change it to channel three or...
No, so I'd always drop it down to 99, rather than going up to five and then later up to
six.
So I'd drop it down one to 99, and I'd tune that one in.
Yeah, I think we used to do it on channel nine, I think, weirdly.
But it was whatever it was, wasn't it?
But Ghostbusters.
Right, no, I've got...
So putting the practical side, practical effects to one side, the story of the first one is
good.
Really enjoyable.
Yeah.
And it's funny.
It is funny.
And again, we are affected by the world of the watershed, aren't we?
Because I remember, I only ever saw it on TV.
Same.
I never knew the blowjob scene was in there and various other bits that have been cut
for watershed reasons.
So finally when you got round to seeing it, it's like, oh, okay, yeah, I didn't know that.
Yeah, I was waiting for the cut that never came.
Yeah.
Like, normally cuts it, oh, it's still going?
Okay, Sigourney.
Oh yeah, we're adults now, aren't we?
Yeah.
And it is a bit creepy that Dan Aykroyd sedates Sigourney Weaver and then basically, yeah,
it's just like, no, no, you cut at the right time.
You've just really, really made a bad scene out of this.
Yeah.
I would say he's a bit of a lech, isn't he, old, what's his name?
Oh, not Stance.
Stance is the other one.
Venkman.
Venkman, yeah.
Yeah, he's a bit of a lech.
Kind of almost like, I kind of feel like he was almost typecast into that kind of role
it almost felt like, because everything, kind of remembering my head of him being in, well,
really just that and...
Groundhog Day is a lech.
Yeah, that's what I mean, and Groundhog Day to the two things, Ghostbusters and that,
I'm thinking of him being in.
He's the same person in those two.
So yeah, I guess he's not a lech in Blues Brothers.
No, he's not.
And he's not a lech, well, he might be a lech in Stripes, I don't know.
Well, hang on, he's not in Blues Brothers.
Oh no, that's not, no, sorry, I'm thinking, yeah.
That's Dan Aykroyd.
That's Dan Aykroyd, yeah, ignore me.
He's not a lech in the one he does with the girl who's in the Marvel films, Scarlett Johansson.
What was that one called?
Lucy, is it?
Is that the one?
No.
Oh fucking hell, we're just going to turn it into an episode of us IMDb-ing everything.
No, right, no.
Anyway, we know what we meant.
But yeah, it's quite hard to watch now.
I don't think I ever thought about it in the past.
I don't think I noticed it even remotely originally.
No, so it just goes to show how values and what is acceptable or seen as acceptable, I guess, has changed.
But sticking with Ghostbusters then, really hard question because it really depends how you remember.
And I'll go first, so I go off the names and then hopefully that will help you.
What kind of order, seeing I like doing orders and lists.
We like a list.
Oh, I like a list.
It's definitely not autism.
What order would you put it in?
Let's start with your most favourite to your least favourite of the Ghostbusters franchises.
So it's a little difficult thinking about all the new films as well.
So the original ones?
So for me, the whole list goes original Ghostbusters because it is just the original.
Followed up by the real Ghostbusters as the cartoon because the real Ghostbusters.
And that's a very close thing.
It could easily depend on the day of the week and if the sun is just at the right point, take the first spot, in my opinion.
So it would go original Ghostbusters, real Ghostbusters.
Now, I don't think this is a shocking thing and I think people need to grow the fuck up.
I'm actually going to put the 2016 Ghostbusters in there, answer the call.
The winning, the girls one.
Yeah, I really like that one.
Because it's just stupid fun.
The one thing I wish they'd done with it is not just try to retell the original Ghostbusters with new people,
but instead make it almost, if you're going to do anything, get rid of Ghostbusters 2
and make it like they're a franchise after the original film.
Or even have it somewhat set at the same time that Ghostbusters 2 is going on,
but have them as a franchisee in a different part of America and just their story going on separately to what's going on in New York.
And in fact, you could even have the fun bit tie in that at the end of the film, you could have them looking at the paper and go,
oh my God, look what happened in New York.
And then there's Ghostbusters 2.
That's what I would have rather than just kind of try and forget that Ghostbusters 1 existed and redo the story.
They could have done the joke then of being like, it's all men.
Well, I can do this with us all women.
And then you could run on a joke of being all the women having so much trouble, kind of like the Ghostbusters kind of do.
Just them having their own kind of, fucking hell, it's actually really difficult to do this.
Oh bollocks.
Yeah.
That's the only thing I would say.
But even with that, I still put it in third place because I think it's actually really good.
Yeah, but we both just fancy that one woman as an attainer.
Yeah.
Then I would probably put Ghostbusters 2 because I've got a very fondness for that film because I grew up with it, I guess.
And then after that, it's difficult.
I think Frozen Empire has been the best out of the new films.
Following Frozen Empire would probably be whatever the new film was before that one.
And at the least favour, I've got to put Extreme Ghostbusters because I've never watched it.
Extreme Ghostbusters was the next cartoon after Real Ghostbusters.
I don't think I've seen that either.
I want to say early thousands, mid-2000s.
Yeah, I'm not sure I've seen that.
And it was just a kind of reimagining of the real Ghostbusters.
And again, you've already got, it's not the right way to say it, but you could see how things were changing because they introduced a wheelchair-bound Ghostbuster.
Right.
And Ghostbusters that were very different to what we had seen in the real Ghostbusters instead.
So they were trying to expand and make it more open to all kind of people.
But as I've not watched it, I honestly can't say if it's good or not.
So I'm going to have to put that at the very end.
I think original Ghostbusters and then cartoon.
I think I would, even though I do complain slightly about Ghostbusters 2, I'd probably put that in third.
Because yeah, I have seen it loads, but I still really enjoy it.
If it was that, I was on Telly at the exact same time as the 2006 movie.
Is it 2006, did we say?
2016.
I think I'd still put Ghostbusters 2 on over it, but then it's that.
So that's my only change to what you've done.
I think I've swapped them too.
And then at the end, the very last one is that as you, I have no idea what that cartoon is.
The two new films.
Now, I really did like Frozen Empire, but I think I actually preferred the first one over it.
So I might swap them around.
Oh really?
Yeah, I think the one before I actually preferred.
I thought the very first one where they end up moving away and I found it very dry.
I really enjoyed some of it.
I really loved the afterlife.
That's what it was called.
Afterlife, yeah.
I really enjoyed what was basically a very forced fan service.
So a couple of the ghosts you saw in it were the real Ghostbusters toys.
Because I had those ghosts as toys that came with the ectoplasm tubs.
So I really enjoyed that.
I just felt that Frozen Empire had a better story to it.
Yeah, I can see that.
They didn't wait.
Gozer, again, it's just, it's going back and rehashing something we'd already had.
Whereas Frozen Empire, just, it felt like it was a good new story.
I mean, I've only seen them both once.
But I just kind of remember, I really enjoyed the second one.
But also I remember really enjoying the first one.
Fair enough.
I saw the first one on the big screen.
Really enjoyed it.
I saw the second one on the big screen.
Really enjoyed it.
I rewatched Afterlife on whatever streaming it had come to.
And I didn't feel the need to go back and finish it.
Yeah.
So I don't know if it was just a one-off watch and that was it done for me.
So I do need to give it a fair chance and go back and watch it again.
I do remember enjoying it at the cinema, but I remember enjoying Frozen Empire more.
Yep.
I think I would love to see more.
I'm really happy they're doing these offerings at the cinema again, and I want to see more.
I'm still gutted I missed Demolition Man.
I've got to see Demolition Man at the cinema.
I'd like to see Robocop.
I'd love to see The Terminators.
We missed them as well.
They were last year.
They'll go back.
They'll go back home.
They were all 1984, the majority of those films.
So it was all anniversary.
I wonder if they'll just do them again anyway.
I'm sure they will because Cineworld has put up on Twitter saying what old films would
you like to see again this year?
So they are doing more.
I'd love to see the original Alien on the big screen.
Oh yeah, me too.
Predator.
So if they're on the big screen, I'd like to see Time Cop.
No, sorry.
I really don't want to see Time Cop because it's shit.
I would like to see The Running Man and Total Recall.
Running Man, yeah.
Because they're just those classic 80s stupid films.
I know they wanted them to be good, but they weren't really.
Beep beep beep beep click click beep boop.
Right.
There's something else that you and I have been doing for the last couple of weeks, I think.
It's been more than a couple of weeks, Rob.
Come on.
As least that's what my wife thinks.
Gaming.
We have both got two very expensive, quite large items in front of us.
It is called a penis.
It is.
No, that's wrong.
It's one thing.
Mine definitely isn't.
Yeah.
If you're putting this into someone, then they've got problems.
Everyone who listens to the show know that we both were in love with our retroids.
Yes.
When we all know the dramas I had with mine, even I still love it.
I had a lot of dramas with mine.
And mine, yeah.
I dropped a knack at the shoulder button as well at the airport when I was going for a
three hour flight.
So what I could have really done with it on the plane as well, and I lost the left shoulder
button.
Oh no, it was my 3DS.
I did that when I took my 3D because I've modded my 3DS.
Yes.
And I took that to Canada with us and it shook around and the SD card dislodged inside.
Blame Canada.
Yeah.
So I couldn't play it at all because I didn't have a screwdriver to open it.
To get it out.
I didn't have one.
No one on the plane had one.
I was asking students, have you got something I could open?
No, we haven't got screwdrivers on the plane.
You have.
You've got screwdrivers on this plane.
Yeah, but they don't have the Nintendo security screwdriver that you need.
Well, I just use a flathead to get in it.
Yeah, fair enough.
It works.
So we've both got, we've both upgraded essentially.
We have, yeah.
We've got the big boy version of the Retroids.
I have got a OLED Steam Deck.
Yep.
And you've got...
I've got the Lenovo Legion Go.
Lenovo Legion Go.
Pretty much almost the same thing.
We've got mine's Linux and yours is Windows.
Yeah, mine's Windows and mine's...
You've got a lot of other things going on with yours, but essentially they're portable
computers.
Yeah, 100%.
That's exactly what they are.
They're portable computers.
They're designed to be playing whatever games you've got.
They've got nice screens to them.
The one down point, I would say that this one isn't OLED, it's LCD, but I've never been
a screen snob, I think is the best way to say it, I guess.
Yeah, I am.
So that works for me.
Oh, if you are, then fair enough.
I've never been one.
It's never been one that's really bothered me, kind of screen quality.
As long as it looks good when you're playing the game, I'm happy.
And this is exactly that.
I've always been a screen snob, but I've never been an audiophile.
I've never been bothered.
Like the speakers, I've got speakers in my ceiling here.
They are like some of the cheapest ones that the company that I use have.
Which is interesting when you work in high-end audio.
Because I can't tell the difference.
I haven't got an ear for it.
So because I work in the industry, I've heard some very expensive speakers.
The best ones I've ever heard were by Sennheiser and I was walking through a trade show.
I see in Amsterdam and I was convinced someone was playing the violin in the next room.
I walked in and it was a pair of Sennheiser's playing from a record.
And you would think a person was stood there playing the violin.
I've never heard a sound like that other than hearing someone play a violin.
You're exactly the same as I am.
But outside of that instance, I cannot tell the difference between my ceiling speakers
and some of the very expensive ones I've installed.
I mean I've reviewed headphones a long time ago.
And what I found is when I'm using high-res audio,
specifically and very dependent on the headphones I was testing,
the more expensive headphones you can tell.
You can tell.
But only if you're using high-res music daily.
And obviously as Apple...
What if you're like on Tidal or something?
Actually I use Apple Music.
Apple Music includes high-res as part of their subscription.
Is Tidal Apple Music now?
No, Tidal is different.
So I get all the high-res versions of Apple Music anyway if it's available.
So that was a bonus.
And I think only through speakers, no, I can't tell you the difference.
But if I've got a good pair of headphones on it,
it is amazing to hear the quality difference.
And even to me then, it's only ever so slight.
I can't call myself an audiophile.
I never would.
But for me, you get a slight difference in depth
and you suddenly hear instruments that you didn't even realise were in a track.
One of the tones I love using is...
Not ready or not, it's by the Fuji's and I can't think of...
Killing Me Softly, that's the one.
I use Killing Me Softly, the high-res version of that.
And hearing some of the bass and the backbeats in that
when you've got a good pair of headphones in the high-res is incredible.
But it doesn't improve it for me.
It's amazing to hear.
I would still love listening to that song through a 25-pound pair of Anker In-Ear earbuds.
As long as it didn't sound like shit because they were dirty, dirty Poundland earbuds, I'm happy.
Well, I'm using Soundcore P3s.
Which is Anker, yeah.
Which are £15. I think you linked them to me.
Yes.
They sound totally fine. I'm really not bothered by them.
The reason I think when I said to you, tell me what's alright,
it was basically battery life that I needed.
And also they get embattered on site, I don't want to pay a loan of money.
Exactly. You wanted something that was easy to replace if you needed to.
Didn't cost the world, but still had a decent sound.
And I was using the P2s at the time.
And the big thing for me there was I think I paid £25 for the P2s.
And they did something that no other earbuds had done.
I could stand in the shower with them, they were waterproof.
I could wear them in the shower, I could wear them in the rain.
And I had no worry about them getting decimated.
Whereas my AirPods, I love them, but it starts peeing down, not so much on the new ones,
because they're better and they are properly sealed now.
But my original AirPods, oh god it's raining, out they'd come.
And then I'd be miserable because I wouldn't have my music.
But the P2s were brilliant. Yeah, they're waterproof, they'll survive rain.
And they did, many, many times.
So that was where I kind of cared with about the audio.
But you're right, on these, as long as I can hear the game and the bits I need to hear, they care.
So as usual, we're tangenting. But yeah, so I think people, if you're thinking about the computer hands,
you probably know the Steam Deck more, because you'd be into Steam, you might have heard of it.
I hadn't heard of yours until you told me about it.
And then I spent a long time looking at them all.
I still opted for this, just because that's what I opted for.
But tell me about all the cool things that yours has got.
Because yours has got some really cool little things.
So the first thing I'm going to say, and this will probably make Bill Gates come in his pants,
I'm actually pleased it came with Windows 11.
And that's because a lot of the games that I own on Steam, and I don't own that many,
but a lot of them are on the, sorry, this is not compatible with SteamOS yet list.
And have had the, it'll be coming soon since the origin of Steam Deck.
So I'm not counting on it ever coming.
So that's why I thought I'd rather get a Windows version.
What's cool on mine, so A, it's got a big, big 8 point something inch screen.
So it's got a big screen on it.
Secondly, they took a leaf out of the Switchbook.
So it's got a kickstand on the back that's nice and variable, and you can have it at a good varying number of angles.
And it's a solid, hard to move around thing.
It's not done on a ratchet, so it's only set things.
You can have it at whatever.
It's the full width as well.
It's not just a leg like the Switch, which falls over.
Which is fucking stupid.
No, it's got, yeah, it's full length.
It's got a nice rigidity to it.
But then that also means I can pop the controller off.
So the controller standard on this is like the Steam Deck.
It's considered an Xbox controller.
So you've got your A, B, X, Y. You've got shoulder.
You've got triggers.
You've got twin thumbsticks, which are, what do they call the magnetic ones?
I don't know.
It begins with the name.
Hall effect.
So it's got twin Hall effect joysticks.
It's got one touch pad, unlike yours.
And then it's got the D pad.
But these both disconnect from the console itself.
And then you can hold it like a Switch controller.
So I can set this up on, let's say, my little table on my easy jet plane to Spain.
I can set that up and then I can sit back in the chair with the controllers in my left and my right hand.
And they will carry on working like an Xbox controller.
Yeah, that's really cool.
Which I quite like.
But then it has one more little trick.
Because when you take those controllers off, if you look at the bottom of the right controller, there's a Switch.
And in the box, well, in its little carry case, there's a little disc and it's magnetic.
And you clip it onto the bottom of the controller and then you slip this switch to FPS mode and the right hand controller becomes a vertical mouse.
That is very cool.
So you can then use it for games like Counter Strike or whatever first person shooter you're playing.
So you use the left controller to you're moving around with and then your right controller becomes your mouse with your left and right mouse button, which I think is a really cool idea.
Battery life on it's pretty good.
And yeah, you've obviously got all the Legion software.
Now, I've watched a lot of YouTube and a lot of videos slated the Lenovo software, but none of them really revisited it since a year ago when they did that.
You know what? I used to watch those videos too.
And I was thinking, well, these are a year old.
Yeah.
And it was the guy, a retro guy who was doing these, the Steam Deck.
He came back to this one and he's got something like only a month old.
And he mentions the Legion and the ASUS one and says how they've been updated and that he plans to go back and re-look at them.
Which is what people need to do because I can't see any problems with the Lenovo software.
It works well. It allows me to do the control.
The only thing I don't like is the Lenovo control layout doesn't have an option to say use the right thumbstick as mouse.
Yeah.
Whereas Steam layouts do let you use the right thumbstick as a mouse or the left, whichever way you set it up, it's up to you.
Tell me about the Steam Deck.
So a 7.4 inch OLED HDR screen.
It's, yeah, two trackpads.
Doesn't have the removable size, doesn't have the kickstand, but it's.
But don't get me wrong, that's a gimmick on this.
I've not taken these off.
But it's the thing that I kind of went for in the end is two parts of it.
One, I knew that for what I wanted to do with it was retro games.
I knew I wasn't having any issue with any of the working, looking.
I mean, you probably don't either have any issue, but there's so much tutorials and stuff specifically about the Steam Deck because so many people have it.
I knew I wasn't going to have any problems and I would find solutions to them.
Out of all of the handhelds, I mean, I know the ROG Ally's got a very big following and obviously got the Ally X has come out now.
I would still say probably the Steam Deck, because it's been out that much longer, has the better following.
And another key aspect of it is because of my experience with the Retroid and how difficult it was to get parts, how difficult to fix, Steam are linked with iFixit.
Every single part of this you can just go and buy from iFixit directly and just fix it yourself.
And I was like, I am clumsy. I'm going to drop it. I'm going to do something.
If I don't have to go to China or send this whole fucking thing off and can easily just change.
Apparently the parts in it are very easy to change.
The iFruits are all there.
Yeah, iFixit rates are really easy to fix because Steam Deck believed in the right to repair.
Yeah. And that was a big selling point for me.
I have a lot of Steam games, but I'm one of those people who I have them because I was doing a lot of those.
When I was watching the Yorxcast a lot, every year they did that jingle jam.
You'd get, you could pay and get like 40 games.
That's why I've got like 300 games in my library because they're all these games I'll never actually play.
I'm really playing this because I wanted the retro stuff.
Well, that's it. I mean, the Steam stuff is a benefit and obviously because this is running Windows,
I've got all my GOG games on there with GOG Galaxy.
That's the thing. So I can't get that.
And Xbox and PlayStation streaming.
But I have no games in GOG. I don't own any.
The Xbox streaming. So I've got a Steam app I can use, which does the cloud.
So I can't install any of the Game Pass games on here, but I can do the cloud streaming of them.
But again, I've paid for it now because I want to test it, but I never did that anyway.
When I want to play Xbox games, I actually just go on my Xbox and do it.
And it's not something I would ever, I was thinking about what would I actually be doing?
Because I just would never do it.
And even then when I've got it on here and it works fine doing the cloud gaming stuff
and I was going through the whole list, I was like, I don't actually want to play any of these.
I want to go back in and play Simpsons Hit and Run.
I like the fact that this has got Game Pass, which means I can do the Game Pass games rather than streaming them.
Again, haven't been on there for ages, so I don't even know what's on there.
But it's nice to have. You're right.
These are very expensive emulators for us in effect.
But if you want good quality emulation, the Retroids are fine.
Don't get me wrong, they are absolutely fine.
The new one's meant to be very good too.
But you will never beat a PC with a big chunky CPU and graphics processor.
You just won't beat those with those handhelds that are running various ARM chips from different companies.
You're just not going to beat them.
You're not going to get any better than a PC running an x86 and x64 architecture, in my opinion.
And I mean, it's very, very old fashioned, I'm sure.
I used to say, I think it was, if you want to emulate something, the computing power you need should be four times the power of the original machine, if you want to emulate it to any success.
I mean, we understand that now that's different because obviously the N64 was a pig to emulate.
So even if you got like a PC, I remember having a PC which would have been way more powerful than the N64, and it couldn't emulate GoldenEye.
GoldenEye really was shit on it.
And it was just how the emulator was built.
And I think it's still not that great now.
It's not. And so with Saturn, Saturn apparently is quite a hard one.
I'm experiencing that now. Yeah, I've got four Saturn games, only one that works.
Yeah. So there is obviously kind of problems on emulation, but you're right. This is the best way to do it.
Yeah. So what we're going to do, we're just going to hand each other's device to each other now.
OK, well, I'm going to have to unlock mine because it has a pin.
Oh, yeah, mine doesn't. Because of Windows.
There we go. Right. I've given you. So straight away, yours is so much lighter.
Yeah, yours is pretty heavy. Mine is going to give me four muscles as if I...
Oh, wow, that really is a firm kickstand, isn't it? Yeah.
OK, so it feels totally different. It does. It feels really different.
So mine's a lot lighter, yours is much more squared, heavier.
A lot heavier and a lot more chunky in hand.
And yeah, you're right, you do accidentally press these, but these mustn't be activated.
They're not activated the majority of time, but I found...
So what Rob's saying, on the side of the right controller is mouse one and mouse two.
And normally they're not enabled. But what I'm finding at the moment, I'm playing through Half-Life 2
because I haven't played it in ages. And after chatting with Mr. Biffo on the retro Ramble,
made me realise how much I missed it as a game. So I've gone back to play it.
Every now and then I click mouse one and suddenly the gun goes off.
So obviously I've got to work a way of disabling it in the back end, which I'm sure is possible.
Yeah, you've got the haptic feedback on the track pads, just like I do.
You've got the quick settings button like I do as well.
Yours is down at the bottom, mine's in the top right instead. So that brings up quick settings, which...
So if you want... How do you get your... OK, yes, you've got to go to emulation station, not emu deck, sorry.
Yeah, mine's set up as emulation station.
Yeah, so is mine. You'll see inside Steam.
Yeah, I think the thing I'm noticing is it's heavier.
All these ports on the bottom... Oh yeah, there's that. Oh, OK, yeah. So there's where you have the FPS.
There's the FPS switch. And then there's two Thunderbolt 4 sockets, one at the top, one at the bottom.
Oh, right, I see. So yeah, you've added in... Like it told you to, you've added in... Oh, right, and there's your...
Oh, I like that. OK. So what I'm saying I like is Rob showed me something that he'd recently...
Oh, I see what you mean about the haptic.
Totally feels...
Oh, wow, that's really good haptic.
The left thumb pad on emulation station brings up a menu so I can choose kind of RetroArch, Microsoft, Sony or...
Yeah, so I was having trouble trying to remember all the hotkeys for safe states, low states, because all these emulators are different.
Retro, all the ones in RetroArch are the same because it's RetroArch that's deciding what the buttons are.
And it was like, I think, options and right shoulder or options and left shoulder.
It was save state, load save state.
But as soon as you went out and went to a PSP game, a PS1 game, PS2 game, Xbox 360 game, or there's a Wii U game, that's number five, or game, cube game, I think six.
They're all different emulators. So they all have different hotkeys. So suddenly I'm trying to remember these things.
I found this retro, so the YouTube channel I've relied on heavily, I'm just going to bring up now because I just turned off my phone, it's called Retro Game Corps.
This guy is an absolute genius. His website has tutorials for every single one of these devices like the Lenovo, like the deck, like the aces, how to set them up, how to do different things, different settings to do for every single individual emulator.
Some of the games that do, some of the games that don't work, what's really good to try.
And one thing I noticed on one of his, he did very quickly mentioned about a radial menu.
It was like, oh, that sounds really cool. So I found it on the templates, put it in.
And yes, so now on mine, when you go into the emulation station, you move that trackpad around the left one, suddenly get this radial menu.
And I've massively modified it. I mean, I was talking to you. Now, none of it works until I didn't realise it. Someone just created a template of an emulator of the radial menu. They haven't actually made any of the buttons work.
Right. You've got to learn how to bloody do it. Now, I don't know if it's because I've got so many plugins running on my switch.
If you were in the area on my switch, sorry, on my deck, that if you're in the controller layout bit, changing everything, it will crash the deck after about 10 minutes of you doing it.
And it's consistent. So I was sat there last night and I power cycled the deck six times whilst doing it because after a while it suddenly would start lagging and then it would just crash.
So it must be doing one of the plugins mustn't like you being in there. There must be like a memory leak or something going on. And then it fills the cache and then crashes the system.
And you can't you can't force quit. I think like holding steam and be holding steam and X is like the force quit an app.
Right. Okay.
It won't even let you do that. You've got to hold the power down.
So let me quickly show you this. So this is what I found, which I realize if you press the Lenovo button, if you come down to I think it's which one is it?
It's one of these buttons. They go. They've got a list of touch screen buttons on that menu, including like control or delete and stuff.
Oh, yeah. So yeah, that's really good. You can't do any of that.
So you haven't changed on the emulation. This isn't good for people who can't actually look at it.
But we're talking about it. I mean, I really like the Steam Deck and I feel actually part of me might have wished I'd gone with this.
It's just that because I couldn't have played all of my Steam library. So things like Bully, for example, I'm really looking forward to playing through again.
Yeah. So for me to play Bully, I have to play the emulated version of Bully.
Yeah. So well, Max Payne is a prime example. I have both Max Payne and Steam.
And the Windows version is very different to the console version.
Yeah. There's big chunks of level missing on the Xbox or the PS2 version that you just don't get, that you do get on the PC one.
So it is interesting to see the benefits can in a way outweigh the difference.
So I'm just holding on to this now. So I'm actually going to go to a game that's really important to me.
Oh, what game is it?
Oh, you haven't changed the names of yours yet.
Oh, right. So I haven't scraped the entire library. I scraped, I think about 1200 titles and then it said, you hit your limit.
Yeah, per day. Yeah. If you are you logged in? No. Log in, you get it back again. Oh, really?
So log out. You get a few, you get like a few hundred. Log in, then you can do like a few, you can do like over a thousand.
There's two choices you get. The second one you choose has a much higher daily limit.
Yes, but you get different data.
Yeah, but I don't mind. As long as it just got the name and the images, it's fine.
So Banjo Kazooie on yours is called Banjo 2 Kazooie No Daibukan. So you've got the non-European version.
Yeah, you're running the Japanese version or at least it's populated it with the Japanese.
Interesting. Okay.
So I'm just...
No, that's...
My favourite game in the world. I want to see how yours actually...
So N64 I think runs fine. I tried Luigi's Mansion and I played with the emulator a bit and I dropped it as it was trying to run it in native.
And it ran beautifully in native. It must have been running between 27 and 30 frames a second.
And I dropped it down to 720 and then it was permanently at 30. So I'm guessing it's one of those games that's locked at 30 frames a second anyway.
So I'm keeping it at 720 because it just looked nice anyway. It really didn't matter.
There's me pressing the button trying to figure out where start was. I'm pressing the top right because that's start on that.
I know, the start is down the bottom left.
Yours is down here where my second trackpad is.
Yeah, or where your Steam button is.
My Steam button, that's right.
I think they're very good bits of kit. I'm not going to discount that at all. I think they are brilliant bits of kit and they're going to be brilliant for travelling.
I'm planning on going up to Blackpool in October, which is for the retro expo or whatever they call it. Play expo.
Well, I'm planning to go with you.
Hopefully so.
And it's just a weekend of retro. And the train journey is going to be about three to four hours.
We'll both be sat there doing this.
We could just sit there and play versus each other.
I've got my big ass Anker power bank, which will power both of these at the same time.
So, no, I think they're brilliant, brilliant bits of kit.
Yeah. So, yeah, I think if anybody is kind of interested in this stuff, I mean, the guys on the What's Wrong With Rolfie podcast on their Discord were talking about theirs.
Yeah, and I've told Jason I've got one.
But yeah, I'm really happy with it. Even T's been having a go on it.
Oh, yeah, Street Fighter right here.
Yeah, he was watching Miranda play Street Fighter. And he's been playing Americot Double Dash, which is quite cool.
So I want to be baby Mario and Peach.
And you can kind of make them swap around the carpet.
Yeah. So we've talked about 25 minutes on two things that nobody listening can actually see.
No, but I think it's what I would say is if you are going to get something like this, then what you really need to do is research it like you did.
Yeah. What do you want it for?
That's where you got to figure because that's because they are the three main ones, the Steam Deck, the Lenovo and the and the Asus ROG Ally, whatever it's called.
Three main ones, similar, but also quite varied in price is a weird kind of.
Now, I'm going to throw a spanner in the works because obviously the Legion Go has got the Legion Go 2 has just been announced, which is going to be the Ryzen 2 Zen Pro 2 or something processor in it.
So this one's already out of date, but I don't care for what I need it for.
That's what you've got to remember. But if you wanted the newest latest and greatest, that's going to keep up with AAA games to low standard.
That's the one you're going to be looking for.
But they've also announced the S, which at the moment is running Windows, but they are going to be selling it with Steam OS as an option too.
And what Steam OS has now said is very soon they are going to be releasing Steam OS for any of these devices.
So they will release a link to me at some point saying you can install Steam OS on your Legion Go.
Because you have it as a partition.
We are old dual boot it and see how it goes.
But the thing is, is if they do that, then there's a good chance that the Steam Deck isn't going to be the only Steam OS device anymore.
Well, you can do these as well.
Yes, because the process is architecture, the boring side of it. Yeah, you could do anything with it.
But yeah, it does mean there's going to be more Steam OS.
So if you wanted Steam OS, but you didn't want to trust Valve and their in-house stuff.
Yeah.
Maybe you'll look at the ROG or the Lenovo version that just comes prepack with Steam OS.
Yeah.
But yeah, definitely worth it. Lots of research needed.
Yeah.
But no, I'm not doing the ship sound again.
Just go to the next section. No one is still listening anyway.
It's pointless.
Right.
This episode was this episode because I wanted to ease us in.
So we didn't really pick.
If that's what you call easing in, I feel sorry for your wife, mate.
Ooh la la.
So we're going to get back into the meat of it as of next episode.
Now, we're going to be, I'm going to be planning ahead, but as usual, as with the Star Trek ones,
we'd be telling you I need one in advance.
Maybe I'll put something up.
I never put anything up on the site.
Like all of the stuff we talk about.
We need to get better at it.
We definitely need to get better at the site.
I mean, Lightly Used is putting their episode, pardon me, every episode of theirs has gone up on the site as well.
Yeah, nerds.
So we do need to get into doing that.
Nerds.
So homework for everyone.
Firstly, guess the intro.
Seven.
Now they are all sci-fi.
So that's always going to be the case.
I'm not going to be throwing in a random rom-com.
No, no, no, no.
All sci-fi.
First person to email, Robert channel84.co.uk will get the £10 Amazon voucher.
Yep.
If you get them all correct.
Yes.
So next time we are going to be watching Falash Gordon.
Savior of the universe.
Yeah.
Haven't seen it in such a long time.
I'm really excited to watch it again.
Now, where can you watch it?
It's not free anywhere, which is annoying.
Well, you can view it by renting it on Amazon Prime.
Things like £3 or something.
It's on Apple TV+.
If you own, if you subscribe to Apple TV+, I think it's there that you don't have to pay for because you're already a subscriber.
I think.
It's also, you can rent it for there or obviously the, you know, the high seas.
You can find it on there somewhere.
Or dare I say jump on Amazon and buy it on DVD for probably £2.99.
Yeah, I'm sure that the whole thing is on YouTube.
Now don't quote me on that.
But I'm pretty sure you've got a feeling you can watch the whole thing on YouTube.
So I'm going to be looking there first because I don't have Apple TV+.
And, you know, if I can get it free, I'm going to get it for free.
Yeah, you can rent it on YouTube £3.19.
Sky Store £3.49.
Google Play movies £3.9.
Same as YouTube.
The BFI player, if you're that desperate £3.50.
Apple £3.49.
So yeah, you can rent it or you can buy it from all those places.
But yeah, jump onto eBay as well.
And I bet you I can probably find it cheap on eBay as well.
Flash Gordon DVD.
1980.
So Flash Gordon DVD, Sam Jay Jones £2.93.
I've done no research on any of the actors.
I'm terribly sorry if any of these actors are now really people that you shouldn't be talking about.
But I'm not going to put that into account when I'm picking these shows.
Sorry, everyone.
If it turns out that one of the people in or the director or the person who wrote it or produced it
turned out to not be a great person, that's not going to come into my brain when I'm actually picking these things.
I'm just going to be picking them for what they are.
I just enjoy them for what they are at the time that they were released.
Yeah, if there is sudden massive, massive concern because there's something we obviously missed, we will tell you.
But on the most part, I think we're going to be safe.
Yeah, we're not going to be watching the videography of Mein Kampf.
Put it out there.
Command functions are offline.
Thank God for that.
That's it.
Thank you very much, Tom.
Thank you very much.
Lovely to see you again.
It's been quite well.
Have we seen each other over the holidays?
We haven't.
Haven't seen each other except for me dropping off your presents for tea.
In fact, that was to Miranda.
So no, I didn't see you.
No, we've spoken.
Yeah.
Hello.
This is what I look like, remember?
Yeah, just about.
I thought you were more ginger, but obviously not.
No, instead I thought you were more ginger, you're more grey now.
Fuck you.
You know what, actually, your grey is more blonde, actually.
Yeah, no, my hair won't go grey.
It'll go blonde.
It's gone a very nice blonde.
My beard's going grey.
So God knows what's going on with that.
It's taking its time.
Mine's way ahead of yours.
Yeah, but let's not forget, I am the man that went to the barber.
So in the summer when my hair was long, this is a few years ago now,
in the summer it bleaches it so it goes much more blonde.
And went into a hairdresser and said,
I want it all shaded off this back in the day when I used to just have like a number two all over.
And he started shaving and said, oh, why have you dyed your hair ginger under this?
I am ginger.
Why on earth would I...
You're a hairdresser?
Yeah, why have you done your roots?
Why have you dyed ginger roots?
Do you think...
Oh, no, sorry, I've got the story right.
He looks at me and says, why have you dyed your beard ginger?
And I said, because I am ginger.
And he shaved it and went, oh, so you are.
For fuck's sake.
Oh, what a twat.
Who on earth would dye their beard ginger and stay blonde?
I just, no.
Well, there was loads of YouTubers when they were dying all their hairs different colours.
Fair enough.
Aqua in the 90s had some interesting choices,
but not even they were brave enough to go full ginger.
I bet you there was someone.
Oh, probably.
And it would probably be someone for nonce watching, I might laugh.
See you next time.
Twat.
Fuck.
We could end the episode.
We could.
But then no one would know how to find us or contact us.
No one fucking contacts us anyway.
Now there's a £10 incentive someone might fucking email me.
I know who does email me and he's so lovely.
Adam does.
I've had two lovely emails.
Love you Adam.
Star Trek related.
I'm not ignoring him.
We don't do him.
We don't do Star Trek.
Sorry, I'm not ignoring you Adam.
I just need to collect my thoughts to respond to you correctly.
It's a prime Star Wars podcast now.
A lot of Deep Space Nine.
He's been watching Deep Space Nine.
Oh, Deep Space Nine is great.
Anyway, go on then Rob.
I need your fucking help.
You can find us everywhere on the internet.
The end.
Thanks for watching.
You can find us on all the standard YouTube.
Oh my god, even I've got it wrong.
Okay, right.
Now I'm going to try again.
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Blue Sky just wrote untitled sci-fi show.
I don't understand how Blue Sky, you find things with Blue Sky, but that's me.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm, if you.
If I need to update yours.
Now you've definitely got that tag.
I'll change you to the untitled sci-fi show.channel84.co.uk.
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