So, I've not been told off yet. I'm still alive.
Just about.
Yeah. A bit of banter, if anything, got sent my way.
Witty banter.
Witty banter, yeah. So, I'm waiting for the inevitable trouble.
Oh, trouble's coming for you, mate. You called her a squirrel.
No, it's more the joke.
The joke's fine. It's just about chunky fingers and sex. No one really likes... It was more
of that... Anyway.
Welcome to the Untitled Trek Show. We like to cross conversations with the two pods to
make people have to listen to them both.
Oh, 100%. Now you've got to go and listen to the variety show. What did we do on the
variety show the other day? Oh, the monkey talk, wasn't it? Was it the monkey talk?
No. Yeah, no, we mentioned monkey talk on the variety show, which no one on the variety
show would have any clue that we were talking about.
No, that's very true.
So, how you been?
Yeah, not bad, mate. Not too bad. Been busy with work and the weird fucking weather going
on at the moment. One minute is boiling hot, then it's kind of, are we now autumn? And
then I've looked at next week's weather, lowest of five degrees.
Yeah.
So, what's going on?
It's all over the place. And we never had that thunderstorm we were told we were going
to have.
Oh, really wanted that.
We're now being told that from nine o'clock tonight we're going to have a month's worth
of rain across the next two days.
Oh, are we? Shit.
Yeah, when I was stepped, I was looking in the back garden just before you come out with
the dogs, like beautiful clear sky.
Yeah, it's clouded over now.
Oh, has it?
It has clouded over now. Of course it's going to rain. I'm going to London tomorrow.
For work?
To buy Heat magazine.
Do you remember that advert? Oh dear, there was a whole advert thing. I'm going to London
to buy Heat magazine.
No, do not know that.
Fair enough. It was a shit magazine. It wasn't even meant for us.
Well, I remember Heat being a terrible magazine. Yeah.
Heat magazine, we're going to London. Where are we going?
London.
What are we going to buy?
Heat magazine.
We're going to London.
Yeah, for work, I'm going to Cisco.
Oh, cool. That's actually quite cool.
Going to their head office in London. They're going to show me all their new stuff on the
roadmap that they're introducing with me and my colleagues. And we're going to go there.
And if it's the same place we went last time, it's amazing. You go upstairs, you go into
their lovely offices. And then what they typically say is, the meeting's finished, it's lunch
time. Do you fancy lunch? Of course we do. You're going to pay for it. No. They have
their own restaurant built into their head office with chefs. What did I have last time?
I think I had lamb and new potatoes. It was delicious.
I've been sent to the Dolby office a few times in London for demos to use their systems.
I've been to a cinema. It's good. Sexy.
I love the fact they've got their own cinema.
Oh yeah, of course they do. They're just kidding out with all their stuff. This is years ago
now. Imagine what they've got now.
But there's subscription products, isn't there? For those of you that are rich enough to own
it, you can pay a subscription and almost get the most up-to-date films in your home
cinema. How are you doing?
I'm all right. Yeah, my physio, if I've ever mentioned on here, is ongoing. Still in pain,
but not as much pain.
Are you lifting more than one kilo now with that arm?
Yeah, I can do push-ups again now, which I couldn't do before. I can do fireman's walks
and things like that. I can do lots of stuff again. It's really now just gripping with
my right hand can cause pain.
But aside from that, every time she comes round there, I'm like, oh God, it's you again.
It's so unbelievably painful when a physio works on you. Have you ever had one?
I've never had to have physio, thankfully. But everyone I've spoken to, all the patients
in my entire career on the ambulance I've ever taken to physio have come out and go,
ow.
Yeah, we'll sit down on the floor and she'll be like, okay, how have you been? Blah, blah,
blah. And then she'll say, okay, this is going to hurt. And I'll be like, okay, it'll be
10. Okay.
Oh, man.
And then, yeah, honestly, when I'm in pain, I laugh and she'll be doing it. And then she'll
be like, doesn't hurt that much then. Why is it you're not laughing? Give it a moment.
And then she'll do something. I'm like, oh.
Okay. And then you hear that.
Yeah. Oh my God. Painful.
Enter authorization code.
So, what have you been watching?
I've only watched one sci-fi thing. And that's not just Discovery. I'm not including Discovery.
I've watched most of Terminator Zero on Netflix, AKA Terminator the anime series.
Oh, it looks so good.
You know, I'm not a big fan of anime. I never have been.
Yeah, you never speak about it.
I've just never really been into it. I've never come across anything that's really floated
my boat when it comes to it. I mean, I watched most of the Deep Space. I watched most of
the Dead Space series or the couple of films they did.
Yeah, that was quite good.
Just brutally gory, but very good and kind of helped with kind of the idea behind the
game, I guess.
I can't remember what it was called.
I mean, really, that's probably the only other... Unless you're going to count kind of things
like, I guess, Pokemon as anime, I don't really watch it. It's not something I've ever really
sought out. But I like the Terminator franchise. Or when I say the Terminator franchise, I
mean, I like Terminator 1 and 2 and all the others can just not exist. But I thought I'd
give it a try. As I feel like I missed out on the Sarah Connor Chronicles or whatever
they called it, which was the live action TV series they did a few years ago. Apparently,
it never got a satisfactory conclusion, kind of cancelled before its end.
I don't even know it existed.
It was meant to be pretty good. Never watched it. Terminator 3, I saw it at the cinema.
You know what? I enjoyed it, but I enjoyed it as if it was a sci-fi robot film, not part
of the Terminator. And same with Terminator Salvation. People say about how bad... I enjoyed
it. But again, just distance yourself from the Terminator franchise and just have it
as evil robots. It's pretty good. And then there's whatever it was called, Terminator
Dark Fate. And I could have shit a better film into the toilet than that. That is possibly
the worst thing I have ever seen created.
So obviously, yeah, Terminator Zero kind of flashed up and I thought, well, it looks pretty
funky. I like the Terminator films on the most part. Let's give this a try. Brilliant.
First episode's a little bit slow, but it does brilliant storytelling and it really
helps build the idea that they go with as you go into the rest of the story. Yeah, no,
really, really blown away with how good it is. I would highly recommend watching it if
you've got Netflix.
We're going to watch it. We watch a little bit of anime. So we've watched all of Naruto
One East and then all of Naruto Chippuden we've seen. Kimetsu no Yaiba is a really good
one. It's called Demon Slayer on Netflix. I've got Karen into that too. It's a really
good one. Just visually and on its own right, it's just incredible. What else? Obviously
I like all the Studio Ghibli. There's a great one. The Girl Who Let Through Time is a good
one. But really I haven't dabbled that much in it really. Anything else or is that just
it?
That's it. Really that is it because I went down one evening. I literally tidied my office
up and I thought, oh, what shall I do? I could watch some special victims unit and I thought,
no, I've actually seen something a bit different. So I just chilled out and ended up watching
I think five episodes in a row. I think it was one o'clock in the morning I finally went
to bed.
I'm looking forward to the Lord of the Rings one that's coming out.
Yeah, a lot of praise on it. Fingers crossed if it's been done by the same people that
did the Amazon bit, fingers crossed it's going to have a good story and a good rating behind
it.
You'll upset a lot of people. A lot of people hate that Amazon series.
I thought a lot of people liked it.
I like it. People I know in person love it.
Oh, the majority of people I've ever spoken to have said they loved it.
People seem to hate it.
Yeah, but I hate the films. But I was bought up reading the original books and they just
did what Hollywood does, throw in and add bits that aren't necessary to a story because
they need to add that Hollywood formula to it. So that's not the film's fault. They're
just doing what the public want.
I've always been able to differentiate books from films in a way that I can understand
as you can, as we all really should be able to, they can't put books as films because
it just doesn't work if you make it exact because just character development stuff,
you don't have the time. I think nowadays doing series is a better way of, if you want
to have the proper book experience, you need to do a series.
Yeah.
Improved with Game of Thrones until the end.
You know, I wonder sometimes whether these two even like Star Trek. They spend so long
not talking about it.
Real test for me is going to come with the inevitable Red Rising series going onto TV
because I'm so in love with that and know it so well that if they, I'll still be able
to appreciate if they do something different, but that'll be a part of me and start going,
oh, this book's so different from it. So I think I won't really understand what other
people think about the Lord of the Rings books being different until that happens.
Yeah. So just for those of them people that don't know what Red Rising is, and I've still
only scratched the surface because I've listened to the first book, I've not listened to the
second yet.
Right.
It's...
Pierce Brown is the author.
Yeah, Pierce Brown is the author. What was that terrible one that we both watched and
I said, I'm not going to bother with the sequel. Oh God.
Oh, what, Rebel Moon?
Rebel Moon. It's very similar in idea, isn't it? Not idea, but styling is what I mean.
So you've got almost kind of this Roman legionnaires and kind of...
So it's a space opera is what, is the most concise way of putting it. I always used to
say imagine Game of Thrones, but far distant future in space. Sci-fi Game of Thrones in
the far distant future, but there's a very strong tiered hierarchy, almost slavery-esque
notes through the whole thing and a rebel kind of rising up like kind of Star Wars-y
thing going on. But it's so beautifully well written, you never know what's really going
to happen. No character is safe.
No.
Literally massive characters who you think are just going to be in it forever die. Goodies
do not always win. This isn't spoilers, this is just... But you cannot expect anything
from it.
I mean, how long ago was it written? Is it fairly recent?
The guy is not that old. Pierce Brown's not that old.
So I was going to say, because there's a lot of things you could take from a lot of other
authors, a lot of other stories. You've almost got parts of things like the Hunger Games
in there, you've got parts of things like Ender's Game in there. You've got all sorts
of things that you could say that maybe they took inspiration from. He may not have, but
there's a lot of different sci-fi and action and fantasy that if you like those things,
you're probably going to like Red Rising.
Yeah. Book one is so much like Hunger Games to almost being like, come on dude.
Yeah. It could very well be. You're talking about one of the 12 areas in the Hunger Games
story.
Absolutely. But I always say to everybody, if you don't like Hunger Games, still just
stick with it. Get to the second. Because the first book, I still think is brilliant,
but it's so obvious that there are parts, Hunger Game-esque parts, because of a massive
part at the end of the story is like that. But the rest of it, there's nothing like it.
Absolutely nothing like it from the next five or six books after that. 28th of January 2014,
the first book was released.
That's 10 years ago then. That still fits in with the narrative that we're saying, but
that's interesting.
There's six books in total so far and he's got another one coming out. The next one's
the last one. Anyway.
Right, Star Trek time at last. What have I been doing? Oh for fuck's sake. Please not
more supernatural. No supernatural. Thank God. I have not watched any supernatural. I don't
know what to do with that information. I'm a bit lost.
You do look a little bit shocked. So Miranda has been watching...
Well, porn apparently when I walked in the door. It looked like porn. A show called The
Originals, which is a spin-off of, not True Blood. Is it True Blood? One of those fucking
vampires. True Blood's The Vampires. What's the other one?
Oh, I don't know.
Vampire Diaries. That. It's a spin-off of Vampire Diaries. She's really into that because there's
another series that she's come out that she wants to watch, but she feels like she has
to watch it anyway. So she's been watching that and I'm like, I don't want to watch this
shit. So I've been watching playing Final Fantasy Rebirth the entire time.
Fair enough.
So I've had loads of gaming sessions. I've now got 14 hours in.
Nice.
It's funny because when I started playing it was like, oh, I'm two hours into the game
and in Act 2. And then when I got to Act 3 and looked at my play time, I'd spent 10 hours
in Act 2. So it was like story bit, open world bit, and then there's another story bit and
open world bit. And the issue I've got with all these games, I can't leave things undone.
So I 100% did the first open world section, but I couldn't move on until I'd done it.
Fair enough.
So that's why I spent 10 hours in Act 2 and did every single, every side quest, every
objective, every hidden thing that I could possibly find. I did it like you can have
to find certain enemies and kill them in a certain time and then do certain things while
fighting them. Did all of those. And then you get loads of VR mission, maxed all the
VR missions for that section.
I know exactly what you mean on that one because I've just finished Tomb Raider finally. After
buying and being so excited about it, I kind of forgot about it because we got into Hell
Divers. So I finally completed the first one and I missed so many of the secrets. So it's
like, yep, I will be coming back to this and I will be doing this all through again and
100%ing the three secrets per level will definitely be happening. I've just started Tomb Raider
2 and I've already made sure that I'm actually getting all the secrets this time before so
I don't have to go through it again.
I did have this thing where one of the VR missions only unlocks if you do this thing
called Assess, which is when you fight an enemy, you scan it and it tells you its weaknesses
and how to stagger it, how to pressure it or whatever. And I hadn't been doing it. I'd
only done it on like a couple of enemies and I needed to do it on 16 different types of
enemy and there's only 24 different types of enemy in that zone. I was like, shit. So
then I had to run around and try to remember all the ones already done and go around and
it took me ages. I think probably an hour going around doing Assess on all these mobs.
Brilliant.
Whereas now I'm doing it every single one.
But there is one other thing we've been doing. You introduced me to World War Z.
Oh yeah, we played World War Z.
Which I think that's sci-fi.
Yeah, no, definitely.
I love it.
Originals of the variety show will know we've definitely spoken about this.
We have, yes, because you've said it's your favourite zombie film.
Almost 40 episodes ago because I'm pretty sure right at the beginning.
Yeah, something like episode five or six.
That's when I would have still been playing it a little bit. People don't know if you've
played Left 4 Dead. It's a four player co-op zombie horde.
Yeah, it's Dead Island, Left 4 Dead, all those zombie games amalgamated in one based on the
film story of World War Z.
It's set in the universe of the World War Z film. I'm not correcting you when I say
Z and you say Z, I just say Z. It's not me trying to correct you.
I don't know why I'm saying Z, to be honest. I don't say it at home because I hate it.
If you watch any trailers for the film you'll hear them say Z because they're American.
That's probably all it is. It's probably because that's all I've heard it called. But you know,
World War Z, sorry, you're right.
I'm not correcting you, I just decided to say Z. Yeah, and I'm glad you liked it.
No, I really enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to our next co-op session on it, to be honest.
I really want to go through the next level with you and see what that's like.
I'm going to play tonight after this. Get home quick enough if you've got time. Let's
speed through it so you can play some more.
No, I'll bet not. If I've got to go to London tomorrow I've got a lot to do. But no, we
will do. We will catch up on that because I'm very taken with it.
That's a deal. Oh, I played some Reconnected with an Old Friend and we've been playing
some Star Wars Battlefront II.
See, I only even played Battlefront I and I loved it. I thought it was absolutely brilliant.
It was great fun. Never got a chance to do Battlefront II. So is it worth it?
Yeah, I've got number one on disc and I really enjoyed number one when I played it.
So I had a copy each so we could play together.
Nice. So I think I had one on the PlayStation 4.
Yeah, that's why I got it on. And then two, apparently I played like five minutes of it
but I think I just got the PlayStation Plus version and then maybe I played the intro
while installing and never went back to it. Yeah, that's really good. I'm surprised how
many people still play it. We had no problems getting into games.
Oh really?
Very well populated. There's plenty of people that are as crap as me because I was getting
kills.
Oh excellent. Yeah, because that's always my worry joining a game this late. But I don't
know about how they do the matchmaking. So things like Players Unknown Battleground,
if you're a newbie player, the first few games you play, you're almost guaranteed to win
and it's because they place you against bots more often than not.
Game one is always bots in PUBG.
Which I think is a nice little entry because it gives you that little boost and you think
yeah come on I can do this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's it really. Games, games, games, games. It's been quite nice,
a bit of a change.
Yeah, it's needed.
Right, Star Trek.
So you've been putting this one off because you said you didn't like this episode.
Yes.
Did you mean this episode or this series?
This, well I meant both from memory. Now that might give you a little hint about how I actually
feel about this episode.
Yeah, because I'm going to say I was fully expecting it to be up to that stage of where
we're finding out Mr. Human is actually a Klingon blah blah blah. But of course that
happens later. This first episode actually quite enjoyed it.
It was actually quite cool. So season two and season three are some of the worst Star
Trek, of all of the Star Trek in my opinion, when you see them as a whole, particularly
three and the end of two I don't like.
And I think I just kind of ravelled the entire thing in that. And then I was like, I completely
forgot how much Pike was in it, especially this first episode. And I was watching it,
I remember I texted the group and I said to Karen, I don't want to watch this. I'm actually
really not looking forward to it. The first time I'm not looking forward to it because
I remember struggling through these because Miranda wanted to watch them so much. I was
like, God, I just can't bear another flipping Discovery episode. But yeah, I sat there watching
it. I was like, Oh, that's actually, this is fun. Oh, this is good. Oh, the CGI here
is really good. Oh, a little bit of story. Yeah. Get past that. Oh yeah. This bit's good.
I was pleasantly surprised being how much I dislike Discovery. I was genuinely surprised
at actually how much I enjoyed this. And I think it's because I walked away from... So
when I last watched season one and series two, I pretty much binged them back to back
because I felt like I've got to give this another chance. And I feel kind of doing that,
I'd built up this kind of frothy sort of hatred towards it. And that was continued. So even
if there was a good episode at any point, I wouldn't have given it the credit. It was
probably due because I just binge watched like the whole first season and hated it.
And you would have been in the wrong headspace. Exactly. Going into it, knowing, saying to
yourself, I'm not going to like this. Precisely. Which is actually what I did and found myself
going, I can't hate this bit because it's good. I can't hate this bit. That was actually
a funny joke. You know? Precisely. I mean, I'm ignoring... We'll go through this no doubt
at some point. Well, we're doing what we did last time. We're just going to talk about
bits of it. I don't want to go through play by play through the whole episode. We'll make
our way through it, but we don't have to say every scene and comment on every scene like
we used to. Yeah, fair enough. Okay. Well, the two bits
that did make me chuckle was there's one when they're in the lift and just randomly... The
fish man's sick. It tickled me and I just thought that's quite funny. Just silly, but
funny. Are you okay? Oh yeah, I've heard that's going around. No one else understood what
he said. It's straight up Prison Pigeon on the variety show.
That is exactly what I thought. I was like, I really like that.
So that I liked. Then the bit that really I did really, really like was something that
Pike says. I like this. We were expecting a red thing. Where's my red thing?
I've got that written down too. Yeah, I've got that exact quote. Where's my red thing?
He made the episode. Oh, a hundred percent. If he wasn't in it, it would still have been
a good episode, but he brought a little bit of comedy to it because he's a funny guy.
Charisma. He brought charisma to it. Oh, God, yeah.
Because this is a stage with Burnham where she's still very much in Vulcan mindset and
she's acting it that way. Which by the way, she doesn't do season four and five. It's
gone. She acts like a human because story stuff happens where she embraces a human side
a bit better. It's the whole Spock thing again, isn't it?
I'm Vulcan, I'm Vulcan, I'm Vulcan. You're part human Spock.
She embraces a human side later. Yeah, fair enough.
And the show is so much better for it. Yeah, and I can believe that.
She acts it better too. Talking about Pike, I've got, holy shit, I've
gone limp from this Pike. He's not hot now. He looks so, how can he look so different
between this and Strange New Worlds? He said, his budget. So he has to share his
make-up and hair budget with everyone else on the show.
His whole face shape has changed. I think maybe he lost a bit of weight. But also
his hair colour's slightly different. Darker hair, looks like they're wearing a wet look
gel in his hair. Fair enough, yeah, okay.
And then it's definitely more of a wax based system going on.
He does make the episode though. And I can see why I like Strange New Worlds so much.
It's him. Yeah, it's him.
Everything about him. And I know a large proportion of that is about what's been written for him.
I know that. But his portrayal, his delivery and just what he radiates on the screen is
amazing. Just full stop, absolutely amazing.
Accessing library computer data.
So we kind of really, I think it's quite a bit of a slow start really to the whole episode
in general. There's a lot of a guff and a lot of going back in time and seeing her as
a child and meeting Spock. There's a very cool bit where he does that art and pulls
them out of the screen to make that big serpent creature.
So yeah, I've got written down here. Are they suggesting that Spock at that age hadn't mastered
his emotions? Now it is absolutely on point with the original series and the original
series films because yes, that's what they say about with Spock. They say he struggled
at the Vulcan schools because of his humanity and not being able to release his anger and
stuff. So basically this giant space thing is Spock's way of doing a big fuck you to
his parents and to Burnham.
It represents he's pissed off. Yeah. I got that same thing because I called it a big
space eel thing. Cool as fuck. CGI really good.
Absolutely.
Really impressed with it. Didn't like the getting to that bit. Like the starting off
with that long winded intro stuff I thought was really boring.
That long intro was painful and it did make me think, Oh God, here we go. The thing I
did think was cool and I did Google, I didn't Google it. I arched this. Sorry, I should
say because I don't do it anymore. I arch searched this and I said, can you look this
up? And I asked the question, Star Trek discovery, did they use real Cassini images in that intro?
Yeah, I wondered that if that was real.
And I can confirm the episode begins with Michael Burnham saying space, the final frontier
while showing photographs of Saturn taken by Cassini. So yes, it was confirmed that
they used the real images captured by NASA's Cassini. Now Cassini was launched in 1997.
It was a partnership between NASA and the European Space Agency. And it did its final,
final orbit in 2017.
Oh, it lasts a long time.
Yeah, it did 20 years in space. But yeah, so I thought that was really cool that they'd
used real images of Saturn for at least that bit. And for those of you that think it's
the black and white images of Saturn's rings and Saturn up close. And that's just, that
still blows my mind a little bit that we've had spacecraft out that far and got images
that are just mind blowing. But yet the rest of it, I just think it was a bit pony. And
the thing I found difficult, not just the slow story with it, but how they've portrayed
Vulcan in this. So if you go, and I know I'm chopping backwards and forwards, but we're
led to believe this is meant to be the same timeline. This is meant to be the same timeline
and universe as the original series. It's not meant to be the same timeline as the new
Star Trek films. I think it's meant to be the same timeline.
Well, it's before, well it's before Kirk.
No, but it's, so if we are talking about Star Trek series, you've got the modern films that
have been done by JJ Abrams. That's called the Kelvin timeline and it's completely its
own timeline. This is meant to be the same timeline as the original series, the next
generation.
Enterprise.
Yeah. And if you look at the original films, Vulcan's portrayed, they don't have nice modern
housing like they do on earth. Instead they're all very almost, if you think kind of the
Spanish islands like Lanzarote and stuff like that, that have got the traditional kind of
stone built housing. It's kind of that, but with technology infused inside it. And then
basically Vulcan is quite a big kind of desert sort of planet sort of thing. And then they've
got the big schools built into mountains and stuff like that. This kind of just, you watch
it and you go, they're just on earth, aren't they?
Well, that house was horrible by the way. Blue staircase.
It was.
God.
It just made, it's kind of, look, if you're trying to stick with one timeline, stick with
one timeline, but try and stay faithful to what you're building it on. And I know you've
already broken that with Discovery being a ship that can fold space and everything like
that, but everything else you can kind of keep in place.
Those of you listening who are like me and on Mug Watch, there are no mugs in this episode.
Oh, there's no mugs?
I didn't see a single mug. No receptacles were sucked from, which was a shame. Sorry
to just get that in. No mugs. You do see it, you get a good shot of the bridge.
You do get a good shot of the bridge.
Get to see Saru for the first time.
And it ruins it because right before the introduction music I've got, Oh God, I hate this.
I hate Tilly. She's so annoying and loud.
Yep. Tilly is-
She runs onto scream, shouting, oh, shut up.
Yeah. Tilly is a downside to this episode. Certainly. Even though she has quite an important
point in the plot later on, she is annoying in her mannerisms.
Right. Now you know what? Actually, I want to address that right bloody now. The whole,
his name is Stamets, isn't it? This whole storyline on Stamets is shit in this episode.
You cannot start an episode with 30 seconds of, Oh yeah, I see him everywhere. I'm going
to go and see if I can buy and then literally say nothing else for the rest of the episode.
And then the last 30 seconds, we're going to capture an asteroid. Oh, I'm all erect.
Right. I'm going to come and do this. And then it's forgotten about. No.
So this episode directly follows on from the end of the first season where his partner,
who I cannot remember his name-
The Doctor.
The Doctor, who's a fucking brilliant character later on. I have written it down in my notes
somewhere. We'll get there eventually. He is killed. I think he's either killed or sucked
into the mycennial network. Something happens to-
Something happens, but he comes back later, doesn't he?
He comes back in it later. Spoilers for everybody. To tell you the spoiler warning after I've
told you the spoiler. But if anyone's seen a single trailer, he plays a massive part
in the last-
Oh, a hundred percent.
So, and he's a really good character.
He's a really good actor.
Stamets, this, I've wrote down it. This is one of the only moments you ever really see
him on the bridge. Later on, he never leaves engineering in the other seasons from where
I remember. Never really leaves him. I find him a very frustrating character.
See, I quite like him.
Even later on, he becomes less arrogant. He's very arrogant. The character is very arrogant
and made that way. I think he really gets put down a peg at the end of season one and
he's trying to figure out where he is. I think by the end of it, he just becomes a little
bit of a whiny bastard. Particularly, maybe just because I'm comparing him to his partner,
the Doctor in the latest series, who actually becomes a much stronger character. They swap
roles, as the season goes on. The Doctor becomes, I think, a much stronger, much better, more
entertaining character and much more well-rounded. Yeah, much, gets his own personality. Whereas,
I feel like at the beginning, he's very much just the partner slash love interest of the
engineer and we need to have a Doctor so he can be the Doctor. Maybe other people will
disagree with that, but that's what it felt like to me. They didn't utilise him enough.
Yeah, he could have had a much bigger role.
I mean, he does have a big role by the end of it. But I just think, in general, it's
so much discovery slash the Burnham show that all the other characters don't get room to
breathe because of her until later. As well, when Tilly's on and the anxiety that she brings
into each scene, she absorbs energy too. So, these other characters don't really get a
look in, in my opinion.
Which is a shame because when you consider, I mean, TOS is slightly different. TOS, the
original series that is, it's very Kirk-centric. It's Kirk, Spock and that's pretty much it.
Then when you get to the films, it's Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Chekov, Sulu, Fine, Uhura, Scotty
and that's pretty much it. Actually, the original series is pretty much half of those characters
again. But when you get to the TNG era and Voyager and Deep Space Nine, you can go episodes
at times where main characters don't appear or they appear for a very brief moment because
they're giving a storyline to just someone else. I really liked that about Star Trek,
but you're right with Discovery. It does feel very much like, at least these first couple
of seasons, all we care about is Burnham and the trail of fire that she leaves behind her,
whatever she does.
Hugh, Hugh Culber is the character's name, the Doctor. Yeah, it's, she gets, she gets,
it all gets better. All I can say to anybody is that Discovery genuinely really does get
better. But this, and it feels like that they taken so much from the JJ Abrams films in
the stylisation of this series.
Yes.
Lens flares, LED lights.
Lens flare, everything's holograms.
Yeah, which we all know would never work in reality. That just would not work in reality.
You won't be able to see screens. Everyone would have headaches all the time. You know,
I know that they're saying in the next generation, no one has a headache anymore, but everyone
would have a fucking headache.
You know, those little weird pod things they fly later in the episode.
The Star Trek ball, no, the Jurassic Park balls.
Yeah, okay. The Jurassic Park balls of Star Trek. Yeah. You can imagine two of them will
be going, oh, no, that's fine. And then there'll be the third one going, oh, fuck's sake, I've
got the one that's got the dodgy frame rate again.
You'll be looking over to them and then you'll be going, oh, god, my eyes. Can you turn your
lights down? Really? Like someone's shining a torch in your eye because they just lit
this beacon in space. By the way, that scene, by the way, I totally get that it sounds cool.
Sounds very tie fighter, weird noise, but there's an elegance to the realism of other
shows where there's no sound. You know, space has no sound. So none of that would have made
a noise.
No, instead we get sounds of basically drag racing in space.
It sounds a mixture of Formula One and it's gone through, they've gone into the audition
and they've just put like a sci-fi thingy onto it. And then they've gone and got some
tie fighting noises. It sounds fucking brilliant. I get it. Very cinematic. We'll probably get
to that scene a bit later. That's a really, really cool, fun scene. But yeah, I just like,
I'd like to hear this without all that. Just, you know, like they would have done in Interstellar
or something, silence.
Yeah.
Just have a really...
Less can be more.
Maybe a score in the background or maybe not even that. Just like, this is actually what
it would have been like. It might have even felt more intense because they would have
heard noises in their cockpit because there's things for noises to come around in the stuff
inside there.
Yeah, but there's air inside their cockpit. So anything that hit their ship or pod or
whatever you want to call it, would have resonated inside. So they would have heard that noise.
They wouldn't have heard anything else, but they would have heard anything going on inside
there. So yeah, maybe have just some internal sounds.
But it can't be too odd, because all of them do this. Everything does this.
Absolutely. It's rare that you get something that doesn't do that.
But yeah, that's a really good scene. We've already said about the fish sneezing.
Is it a good scene?
I liked it. Yeah, I liked all of the kind of...
Where the fuck did these little shishy pods come from?
Okay.
They're not shuttle crum. What the fuck's going on?
The stylisation of those pods, as I said, the Jurassic Park balls are fucking weird.
And there's nothing like that in Star Trek anywhere else.
The little pods are stupid. They sound stupid. They're controlled stupidly. Stupid.
But the scene itself is cool. Flying shuttles.
And absolutely the dickhead deserved to die.
Oh yeah, no bed. He was a prat from the beginning. He had some fucking bee in his bonnet, didn't
he?
And then he's boasting about something to do with fucking Star Trek Academy and someone,
and then he gets wiped out because he won't listen to Burnham.
A hundred percent deserved to. I just didn't... I didn't particularly like the pod. I just
didn't particularly like the design of anything. And yeah, the scene is pretty cool. But even
then Pike's capsule pod, whatever you want to call it, stopped working. Why did Burnham
have to jump out and catch him when they were just going to eject him from the ship anyway?
His ejector suit had malfunctioned too. So even if he could get out, I had to actually
stop and watch it again for this exact reason to figure out why the fucking hell she had
to do any of that. So his suit had failed. Everything had failed. So even if he did eject
when his visor finally came down, he would have been floating through space. So she can't
use...
Because if the visor was down, the suit would probably start working.
He got it down by forcing it down by hitting his head. So the electronics inside the suit,
the ejector, the thrusters and all that, I'm assuming is what it meant.
Yeah, fair enough.
So she needed to... What a fucking hell, launch herself, do some maths, launch herself and
then get the ship to fire thrusters on her. I think, get that. Why the ship had to do
the thrusters? Why she can do the thrusters?
Because she just wanted to cuddle with Pike like us all.
Yeah, I mean, I was jealous of her in that scene.
We were all very jealous of that.
I'd like to be in a suit cuddling him in space.
Again, the suits were a nice design. I actually liked the suits better than I did the pods.
And I liked the fact, you know, the button they had in their chest to make the helmet
go away. I liked the fact they had to hit that. So it wasn't just like you will see
in something like... In fact, there's a prime one lost in space, the Matt LeBlanc film.
You just little tap of it and it comes down. So basically he's in space. All you do is
you fly over to him and quickly tap it. You're fucked. This, you could see they've been,
they've thought about it. So the fact that you've got to actively kind of hit your chest
hard to trigger it makes you think, did they think about that? So you can't just accidentally
tap it when you're out in space and...
In reality, it will have something on your hand that has to connect with that on your
chest. So no one can come up to you and do it. That's the reality of it, isn't it? There
will be something where your fist has to connect with that pad, not just anyone's fist. I disagree
with you on the suits. The colours. Now hear me out.
No.
There's comments earlier, by the way, we had to wait eight minutes for Pike to appear in
this episode. We had eight minutes of damn near torture before Pike appeared in this
episode.
Very cool looking uniforms compared to the shitty Discovery ones.
Now, uniforms. And I'll get to my point about that. The actual style is identical. It's
just the colours that are different. That collar on both is exactly the same. There's
just the colours that have changed.
Oh really?
Yeah. So if you look at it, they had that same bit where the collar is bigger as it
comes out the front. Now it looked better on the blue suits than I think it did on Pike's
yellow with the black because it looked bigger and it looked, I think it looked a bit stupid,
that big collar.
But when I noticed it, it's the same as the blue ones.
Actually, I prefer the colourful uniforms and how they look.
I prefer the colours of the colourful ones, but I didn't like the collar. Now it took
me a while to realise that's the same blue as what the Enterprise series blue was. Of
course it would be because that was the old uniform.
Yes. It's a natural progression on from where we had Enterprise.
And they comment on it down there and they say something like, oh, I like the new uniforms.
So they comment about it. Now just before they're beamed on, did you notice what the
person that's in control of the transporter was wearing?
I didn't notice.
It pans across as they walk into the room, it pans across. So you've got the door on
the left and it pans as they walk in. And then the foreground is someone's head and
they're wearing what remarkably looks like a early version of Geordie's visor.
I didn't notice.
Ah, yes.
I'll say it again.
You'll watch it again and you'll see what I mean. When they walk into the room to meet
them at the transporter, they've got a, I've got here, yeah. But the beaming thing, wait,
is that a prototype Geordie visor?
Yeah, I'll have to watch that again. I didn't notice that. Now back to what I'm saying about
the uniforms. So they're told they're in new uniforms. Now these will be the only uniforms
they have because they've come from the enterprise to discovery. Now they're going onto the discovery
pods and they're going to get into the discoveries spacesuits. So tell me why the three people
from enterprise have got into discovery suits, but have the colors from the enterprise. Surely
when they all got into those pods, they would have had to have put on discovery spacesuits,
which would not have been colorful.
But the spacesuits don't necessarily have to meet the same. So don't forget if you look
at, let's actually fast forward past the original series and go to the next generation and go
to first contact. And you remember the scene where Worf Picard and, oh, who else goes out
with them? Worf and Picard and one other go out. Oh yeah, Ensign Dave will call him because
he gets killed by the book. They go out onto the hole, don't they? They're all the same
color. So I think the spacesuits, they wouldn't be...
No, but they're wearing the colors that they were wearing the uniform of.
Oh, were they?
Yeah. So Pike, his yellow one, the other woman had red.
Oh, I didn't, I didn't even...
The other one had the light blue.
I didn't spot that.
Burnham had the dark blue.
Oh, I didn't spot that.
And it's like they're in a rush as if Pike would have contacted the enterprise and said,
oh, can you just beam down our color coded spacesuits? He wouldn't have done that. He
wouldn't care.
Yes, they would. No, no, no, no, no, no, they would have because don't forget he's taking
command of discovery. He's not going to be back on the enterprise for potentially ever.
We don't know what's going to happen on that mission because that's when they walk to the
red thing, enterprise is left where it is and it goes off on its merry way. It's not
in tow. It's not following them. Pike is on the discovery for whatever period of time
he's on there. So I think, yes, they would have sent over all of his stuff and seeing
that the ships don't have replicators yet, they would have their own uniform.
I think that that's just a thing they did for the art style. And actually, if I'm going
to pick it apart, I think it doesn't work. I think they should have all been in the same
spacesuits.
I don't know. I think it does work. I do think because I think it would be you'd have personal
uniform, no replicators. You'd basically be relying on them going to discovery and them
having Pike's fit.
Well then whoever is running lower decks logistics on the enterprise has done a really good job
at teleporting all of that kit over. Oh, Pike's leaving. I better send all of this kit over.
Let's face it, we've already had a really boring intro. Do we want another five minutes
of boring? Oh, what are we doing in the transporter bay? We're just watching boxes be transported
over.
Well, I'm going to show it. I just thought we were going to rip apart a bit. That bit
I just pointed out to myself straight away. I didn't feel like they'd have those colours.
No, fair enough. No, I get what you're saying. I do get what you're saying. I don't agree,
but I do get what you're saying.
Anyway, can you tell me about the point of this whole episode? So that might be an idea.
Yeah. So there's did we even say what episode we're doing? Season two, episode one brother.
We had said that already and Valencia did announce it again. Okay. Thanks for the answer.
Firstly, you are welcome, Tom. It's nice to be appreciated once in a while. Secondly,
how the fuck is this 45 minutes in and you are only just mentioning the episode title
amateurs. Yeah. So I'd insert Valencia here. So I can respond to you. Do you have a conversation
with him? You're a wanker. You keep skipping my stuff. What the actual fuck? You're going
to regret that. Leave my mother out of this. She's a strong, beautiful, independent woman.
Right. So I got to regret the chipmunk. You're going to regret upsetting Valencia. He bloody
is in your, the variety show. Anyway, Valentino's in the variety show. You have Valencia. It's
just the same guy. We just changed his name. Don't ruin the magic. It's the whole uniform
things. Isn't it already? Yeah. What color uniform has he got for you? Oh well. Is he
a red shirt? It's purple. He doesn't even know my name. Fuck you, Tom. You smart ass
piece of shit. I withdraw my gratitude to you earlier. Shove it up your ass and Rob,
fuck you too. You'll both regret this. Right. Well, where we get? Yeah. So basically there's
some red things, some anomalies are happening across the galaxy. They've had seven of these
red energy spikes across the apparently at random across space. And they need to go find
out what they are. Basically that's it. And one is active at that time. And that's what's
happening. And that's why we made the comment earlier about Pike saying the, where's my
red thing? Because they eventually get to one of them, find out that there's a big destroyed
asteroid field or something. And then they find there's a Star Trek vessel marooned
in the middle of where this red thing is. And that's when Pike made the comment is,
where's my red thing? Yes. I don't see any red things. Now at this point, so we've talked
about the pods, they're crashing or they're landing on the asteroid. And you've got this
part where Burnham is saying, we don't leave people behind. Then speaking about discovery
saying, can you manually control his pod? Yes, we can. And then there's this bit where
she there's like silence and they say, oh, Burnham, we can do it. Can't we girls? And
they're like, Oh, oh, yes, yes, yes. And I just got written here. At points, this just
feels like a bloody sitcom. It doesn't feel like a sci fi show. They there's a lot of
this episode as much as I enjoyed the episode. A lot of it feels very out of place with what
you would consider a sci fi show. There's lots of bits to it that are sitcom-y like
the lift scene with the fish alien with where's my red thing with this bit that she's shouting
back at the girls and they go, Oh, yeah, it's really just weird. I can't really put my finger
on it, but it just it feels very sitcom-y all of a sudden. And then yeah, you're right.
They crashed onto the asteroid and they survive. That actually annoyed me a little bit. Yeah.
So she gets thrown out of the hurt. She or she ejects out of her pod. They manually eject
Pike and you hear him laugh happily maniacally as his thing comes down and he realizes he's
sort of like that. I like that. She catches him. Yeah. And we see her thrusters fire and
then it goes back to the bridge of discovery. Yep. And it's, Oh, it's radio science. She's
not answering. Oh, they're dead. You've done it wrong. You cannot show someone ejects out,
catch the other person and her emergency thrusters that you're firing fire and then do the radio
science. What you do is you fire out capture and then you show them go on the bridge firing
it but you don't show the person's thing firing and then you do the radio science because
there's absolutely no way in my head that I think they haven't survived. Yeah. I know
it's a really little silly little winch but there was just, you've wasted 30 seconds here
that you could have done something more with the story elsewhere by giving the whole audience,
the whole audience already know they're alive. So why are you pretending that you don't?
Yeah. Did you notice the untitled trick show Easter egg that discovery had placed in there
for us? Did they? On the ship. There's the Hippocratic symbol on the ship. Oh yes. That's
a shout out to our suicide, suicidal war episode. Just for us that was put there in post-production.
Yeah. Obviously then they land on the asteroid. I did like this but I've got hit written down
here. Oh look, it's a shiny thing flying towards them. Oh, it's Eve from Wall-E. Yeah. Eve had
that vibes but this is the introduction to one of the best characters in entire Star
Trek, Commander Jet Reno. Played by Tignorato who is just full stop brilliant. Whatever
they are in, it's amazing. Now, I'm sorry everyone, she is criminally underutilised
in the entirety of Discovery. She is literally the entire of a whole season gone. Just not
in it and never says why. I can't remember if it was season, I think it's season four.
She may be in it for like five minutes and it's not addressed. I can only imagine that
the actress was busy doing something else. The same as that zombie film that she's in
where she's actually not in it. Oh really? So there's a zombie film that she's in in
Las Vegas and they have to go into one of the vaults in Las Vegas to get loads of money
out. Army of the Dead? Could be Army of the Dead. Yes, that's the one because it's got
Vegas looking front end. Any scene you see her with Batista, they were not there together.
Oh really? She couldn't film on those days, she had to do something else. So they all
pretended she was there and they filmed her separately and put her in it. Oh that's brilliant.
Go back and watch that film knowing that. I've never watched it. I like to. Watch it
now and see what a fucking brilliant job they did because you would never know. That's brilliant.
That is absolutely brilliant. Now someone's going to correct me and tell me that was actually
bullshit but I've seen stuff on YouTube showing you how they did it. So unless that was all
bullshit too. But yeah. I could ask the American maker, she is so good. You'll see in this
episode, she brings such a good energy and the character's brilliant and every single
time they use her in the entire show, she is like that. She's brilliant.
I've got, this is the introduction to Tig, as in the actress. One of the few characters
I did, I do like. And you're right, I love their character in this. It's just the sarcasm,
the delivery, the energy. That whole, you get the real, I hate what's going on vibe
from her. But it's done so well and just wonderful.
She's got super mad scientist vibes.
Oh God yeah. The whole point, I've got two questions for you to see if you paid attention.
But yeah, she's kept these people alive and then one of them goes, aren't you an engineer?
The human body is just a machine.
They're all just machines.
And I like to read.
What?
Because all of her solutions that you can see are all engineering solutions. It's like
his heart wasn't working.
I just got a Bolian's heart and I wired it up.
Yeah, done.
That's brilliant.
They just need their blood moving. What does it matter what's doing it? That's it.
So they walk in and meet them. And we see on the top bunk of the medibeds, an alien
laying there and it's got a little holographic display because everything's holograms. And
it's got how many hearts the patient has.
Is it, was it two hearts?
It was four. So it's got a picture of four hearts showing each of them, which I thought
was really cool. And then just because I can, how many, what length of time?
Ten months, 11 days.
Oh, you wrote it down as well.
And what star base was she on their way to?
Oh, fuck off.
Star base 36.
36.
Yeah. This, this is one of my favourite scenes. All because of her. Yeah. I just wish it had
just been her and Pike.
It was so well written as well. But yeah, her and Pike would have been perfect because
they would have bounced off each other. But to an extent, I didn't mind Burnham in this
bit. And you get that whole point where I'm just going to say Tig because I can never
remember it's Jess. I know it's Commander Jen or Reno, whatever we want to call her.
So where were you 10 months ago?
Yeah. When, when Burnham just knows how to do loads of engineering stuff to get the,
the teleport pad to work.
And I've got, ah, so there you have it. It's a question in, it's an answer to a question
we asked a few episodes ago when we had that questions episode, transporting off a transporter
pad is safer. Yeah. So you can be transported from anywhere, but it's safer to do it off
the pad.
I kind of feel like it works like a dish too. It becomes a very focused, I think we might
say this is a, you stand on here because you're getting teleported. And in fact, what I like
is no interference in this Faraday cage.
That transporter is surrounded by giant dishes. So it's almost like it's an early transporter
and you can see kind of where the technology has progressed to do it. So I really did like
that bit.
Yeah. As I was saying, I think it's like a teleporter Faraday cage. So I can think of
really, and yeah, monsters all get, monsters, aliens all get teleported. And it's a great
bit where she gets off and gets blown away and you see Pike run to try and get to her
and he gets teleported mid run. I quite like that because you think, oh yeah, they've got
to stand still to get teleported, but he's like, he doesn't give a fuck. He's just like,
I need to save her. No point. Now doesn't explain how he gets back. No, I assume they
save her. Yeah. Because we've really said, well, well, I presume he can't beam down because
they've just blown up that area. So it's just like that. I'm not sure. And then the determinant
amount of time passes too, because there's a display and she, and she gets hit on the
head, doesn't she? Yeah. And goes unconscious. So there's two options really. Did he get
in another pod and come down in which case, or did jet do something or did, well, did
jet do something or they beamed him down? If they beamed him down, why didn't they just
do that in the first place? Yeah. This, it breaks that story. Yeah. No matter how you
look at that and they didn't really say how they get her off. No, they teleport him off.
So you get teleported off. Yep. Cause she's down because she can't take the rock with
her. Well, it's not, she can't. And that wasn't it. No, I thought that was actually interesting.
They got the lock on her and just because she was holding something meant they didn't
lock onto that as well. No, I thought that was a bit odd. No, it's because of what the
rock was made of. Oh, sorry. You're right. That's what Tilly gets. Yeah. They're talking
in the bed when it's fixing her leg. Cause I was like, well, she had that jagged thing
going for her leg. Did that come with her? Well, I presume it must have. Because then
is that not part of the, that was a piece of metal that was from the ship. Right. Yeah.
And I liked it. Like she'd broken some femur and she'd be ready. She'd be healed in two
hours. Yeah. I quite liked that. I was like, it's actually nice to be like, to have a little
bit and be told, no, our technology is that good. And the random doctor in the background
as well going, yeah, no, you aren't a great patient. Just walking off. It's like, yeah,
that doctor is actually in it a few times, but yeah, she feels very, um, very random
and you did see what the red thing is. You saw that weird figure. I'm not going to spoil
it for anybody. I'm just not going to spoil it for you. No, fair enough. I might have
sorry. I know exactly what it is. Okay. Well, that's not a spoil for everybody else. Um,
but then yeah. So, oh, and then we see now they need to, this whole time. Yeah. Now Tilly's
in it big time. And we find out the whole time that Bernard has been trying to recover.
He's actually been working on the mathematics of how they can catch one of the asteroids
gives it to Tilly. Tilly goes to Tilly, who's just a fucking ensign, by the way, she is
a low, low level person who seems to manage to get on the bridge somehow. And by the way,
accidentally put all of Pike's personal details on the fucking viewer screen earlier, which
he didn't seem bothered about massive GDPR breach by Tilly. Well, let's face it, the
European union doesn't exist at this point. So I think GDPR probably got dissolved. And
I like how that scene, sorry, I like how it's like, ah, my stain on my record, the F I
got an astrophysics. And all the rest are A stars. And it keeps scrolling and it's just
award, award, award, award, award. Yeah. I did quite like that. That was a neat touch.
But yeah, she is, is frustrating. But the rest of the episode now is a bit annoying.
I was like, did they really need to shoehorn in catching an asteroid to make Stamets want
to stay? I just thought it was a really stupid thing. I think it's, it would have been so
much better to have dedicated some more story to maybe, well, Pike, because we like Pike,
I know, but you could have dedicated more to Tignorato's character. Or, I mean, there's
so much more they could have done. I mean, you could have had a scene on the bridge while
they're down on there. I mean, you've got Saru, he's moaning. Well, you're not moaning.
Hang on, it's a beam. We need to have the shields down. We can't have shields. Yeah.
And things are coming towards us. Your spaceship has phasers. Every other starship in every
other series would have been going, boop, boop, boop, boop, shooting them, turning them
into smaller things that aren't going to be an issue. Yeah. And we only see his neck worms
very briefly too, considering he's supposed to be shit scared of absolutely everything
at this stage. And again, sitcom moment. So what did you expect? So yeah, fair enough.
And well, that's the episode. Yeah. I will say the one thing I will say about Saru, I'm
just looking up here, is the dedication the actor had to creating this portrayal of Saru,
turned down to his walking movement is just utterly beautiful. And it's just the concentration
alone in remembering your lines, being able to say your lines and to be able to do all
of that while walking, swaying your arms and remembering to do all of this characterisation
you've created for yourself. Well, you know who he is? It's amazing. His name's Doug Jones.
Doug Jones, yeah. Who is probably like the best of those kind of actors. He's in Panhandle
and Panslabyrinth. He's in Hellboy. He's in the Shape of Water. So he's the water creature
in Hellboy and the Shape of Water. He is in, I think he's the big horned creature in Pan's
Labyrinth. I think he's the zombie in Hocus Pocus. He's been in so much. Yeah. He is a
very typecast in that kind of role, but for good reason, because he's a very good actor.
And I've heard a lot of stuff about him being able to put up with a very claustrophobic
nature of all of these suits that they get put in. And he's very, very patient, doesn't
move, very calm whenever they put in the makeup on, which can last for hours. I remember seeing
something from Willem Del Toro about the Shape of Water and how he loved Doug because of
just how he completely embodies these monsters that he plays. He is, in my opinion, probably
the biggest actor in the Stin Discovery. The most beautiful, well cast, probably biggest
name in it. And he is at Axeru faultlessly for the entire five seasons.
Yeah. You cannot deny, or sorry, not deny, sorry, you can't believe that he isn't really
an alien in this. Yeah. Not just the makeup. The makeup is really good. That's never going
to be taken away from the people that have done the makeup. However, makeup only does
so much. If you've got someone that can't do the job, no matter what makeup you do on
it, it's going to be a shit character. Every action he makes, as Saru, like what
you're saying, you think he is an alien. Everything is calculated in such a way.
He moves his hands. He moves them very flowing because they're so much longer. I'm doing
the actions. No one else will be able to see them. The way he walks, where he sways his
hands behind his body. If you ever notice how he walks, doesn't walk arms going backwards
and forwards. They go from left to right behind him. Yeah. They go behind him left to right.
And that never changes for all five seasons. It's exactly the same. He's, yeah, very, so
well acted. He's so good. But that's the episode. Let's final thoughts.
Transpure complete.
As I said at the beginning, I had memories of actually hating this episode. Or really,
I think it's just I didn't like season two. The more I'm thinking about it, I think actually
it's more the conclusion of season two that I hate. Like really dislike, which it then
leads on to season three, which is diabolical in my opinion.
So which is season three? Is that the one they finally go into the future for the first
time?
That's in the future for the first time.
Okay. So I will say the only other bit of season two that I remember that I really liked,
and I would say I really liked, but looked cool, I guess, is the giant battle scene that
Discovery and Enterprise end up in.
I don't remember it.
Or is that the end of the first season then?
Who knows?
How does the end of the first season? All I know is there's this big one and the end
to it must be the end of season one then because the Enterprise, no, I don't know. Either way,
it must be the end of season two because the Enterprise goes away knowing that Discovery
is time traveled and then we know strange new worlds, they're not allowed to talk about
it. But the end of season two, there's this massive fight between the Enterprise, Discovery
and whatever the alien race is that's trying to stop them do what they're trying to do.
And it looks brilliant.
One thing I'll say I do like is when they go to the other, what do they call the other
dimension? The mirror universe where Michelle Yeoh is.
Oh, that's quite a good episode as well.
Is it Michelle Yeoh?
Yes.
I love her character.
That was quite a good episode as well. And again, mainly because it was very Hollywood
in action where they're flying into kind of the alternate universe ship to destroy whatever
it is they have to destroy and then fly back out.
There's no denying that that doesn't have budget. There's not been a budget problem
that I can tell certainly on the CGI perspective. The set design is very good. But yeah, this
episode, yeah, actually is a good one.
Yeah.
So I take back saying privately to you guys how much I was, how much I didn't like it
because I clearly didn't remember it correctly. I enjoyed it. I, the action scenes I enjoyed.
Pike is brilliant in it and I would go on about more time, but he is just fucking good.
He is a brilliant, brilliant character.
What's the actor? I follow him on Twitter actually.
I do. And I've annoyingly, I've closed IMDB so I'm not going to dig into it too much,
but he's brilliant. And it's the battle against control is the end of it.
Yeah. Anson Mount. His place, Pike. Yeah. So I would say it was a good one. If you didn't
watch it, do go watch it because it is actually quite a fun episode and you do get to see
Pike.
It's one of the stronger episodes of the first couple of series.
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And you enjoyed it too.
A hundred percent. I did actually enjoy that. I dreaded watching it and I came away quite
happy.
We recommend.
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Thanks, Wayne.
I'm so rehearsed in saying that.
Because you have to say it every time.
To be fair, what we should probably do is just record it and then have it as a copy
and paste every episode.
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, definitely. We should just do that. More Shitshow coming. I've actually
started writing it. It will be the last episode, unless there's any shorts that we think of
before the Christmas special.
I am very much looking forward to our Christmas special.
Because the Christmas special is big. If we get to do what we want to do, it's going to
take a lot of thinking to do it. So I need time to do it. And hopefully I'll get a Trek
Roulette in before then too.
Okay.
Because again, they take a long time to edit.
Fair enough. Well, I know we've done a lot of questions and a lot of random episodes
and the Trek Roulette, by the way, I've listened to that episode twice now. And I know it's
my own stuff, but I love it. It's so much fun.
I think it's really good fun.
So I'm looking forward to doing that again soon with someone else, hopefully. I'd like
to recommend an episode though for the next episode, if that's okay.
I would like us to watch a Deep Space Nine episode. Because I've been waiting to get
you on Deep Space Nine. And we're actually going to go early. We're going season one
episode 19.
Season one. I'm writing this down. Episode 19.
And it's called Duet.
Duet.
And it's probably, in my opinion, one of the strongest of all the episodes of Deep Space
Nine.
Of Deep Space Nine.
Yeah. To give you a brief idea, the little blurb here is a Cardassian suffering from
Kulonora, a disease that indicates he served in a labour camp, visits Deep Space Nine. Kira is determined to convict him as a war criminal.
Oh, we pick fun ones, don't we?
Oh, it's, I can tell you that. It's not a fun one. But I've got to say it is genuinely
one of the best episodes out of all of Star Trek. It's not just beautifully written. It's
beautifully acted. It's incredibly deep. It's incredibly thought provoking. And without
putting too many spoilers, I mean, I'm looking at, the IMDB rating is nine out of 10. And
that is a rare thing to see on IMDB. But to spoil it too much, it's basically a mirror
of World War II war crimes and the Jewish Holocaust.
Oh, fuck me.
I know it's deep, but trust me, it is, when you watch it, you're going to come back and
look. I know I went, oh my God. But wow, you are going to say that.
Look, if we can make Klingon suicide funny, we can make Holocaust and war crimes funny.
See you later, everybody. Love you. We're ending it here. Say it. Say it so I can best
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