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So, I've not been told off yet. I'm still alive.

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Just about.

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Yeah. A bit of banter, if anything, got sent my way.

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Witty banter.

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Witty banter, yeah. So, I'm waiting for the inevitable trouble.

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Oh, trouble's coming for you, mate. You called her a squirrel.

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No, it's more the joke.

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The joke's fine. It's just about chunky fingers and sex. No one really likes... It was more

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of that... Anyway.

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Welcome to the Untitled Trek Show. We like to cross conversations with the two pods to

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make people have to listen to them both.

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Oh, 100%. Now you've got to go and listen to the variety show. What did we do on the

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variety show the other day? Oh, the monkey talk, wasn't it? Was it the monkey talk?

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No. Yeah, no, we mentioned monkey talk on the variety show, which no one on the variety

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show would have any clue that we were talking about.

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No, that's very true.

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So, how you been?

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Yeah, not bad, mate. Not too bad. Been busy with work and the weird fucking weather going

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on at the moment. One minute is boiling hot, then it's kind of, are we now autumn? And

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then I've looked at next week's weather, lowest of five degrees.

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So, what's going on?

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It's all over the place. And we never had that thunderstorm we were told we were going

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to have.

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Oh, really wanted that.

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We're now being told that from nine o'clock tonight we're going to have a month's worth

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of rain across the next two days.

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Oh, are we? Shit.

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Yeah, when I was stepped, I was looking in the back garden just before you come out with

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the dogs, like beautiful clear sky.

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Oh, has it?

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It has clouded over now. Of course it's going to rain. I'm going to London tomorrow.

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For work?

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To buy Heat magazine.

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Do you remember that advert? Oh dear, there was a whole advert thing. I'm going to London

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to buy Heat magazine.

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No, do not know that.

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Fair enough. It was a shit magazine. It wasn't even meant for us.

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Well, I remember Heat being a terrible magazine. Yeah.

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Heat magazine, we're going to London. Where are we going?

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London.

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What are we going to buy?

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Heat magazine.

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We're going to London.

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Yeah, for work, I'm going to Cisco.

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Oh, cool. That's actually quite cool.

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Going to their head office in London. They're going to show me all their new stuff on the

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roadmap that they're introducing with me and my colleagues. And we're going to go there.

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And if it's the same place we went last time, it's amazing. You go upstairs, you go into

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their lovely offices. And then what they typically say is, the meeting's finished, it's lunch

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time. Do you fancy lunch? Of course we do. You're going to pay for it. No. They have

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their own restaurant built into their head office with chefs. What did I have last time?

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I think I had lamb and new potatoes. It was delicious.

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I've been sent to the Dolby office a few times in London for demos to use their systems.

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I've been to a cinema. It's good. Sexy.

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I love the fact they've got their own cinema.

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Oh yeah, of course they do. They're just kidding out with all their stuff. This is years ago

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now. Imagine what they've got now.

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But there's subscription products, isn't there? For those of you that are rich enough to own

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it, you can pay a subscription and almost get the most up-to-date films in your home

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cinema. How are you doing?

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I'm all right. Yeah, my physio, if I've ever mentioned on here, is ongoing. Still in pain,

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but not as much pain.

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Are you lifting more than one kilo now with that arm?

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Yeah, I can do push-ups again now, which I couldn't do before. I can do fireman's walks

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and things like that. I can do lots of stuff again. It's really now just gripping with

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my right hand can cause pain.

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But aside from that, every time she comes round there, I'm like, oh God, it's you again.

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It's so unbelievably painful when a physio works on you. Have you ever had one?

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I've never had to have physio, thankfully. But everyone I've spoken to, all the patients

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in my entire career on the ambulance I've ever taken to physio have come out and go,

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blah. And then she'll say, okay, this is going to hurt. And I'll be like, okay, it'll be

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And then, yeah, honestly, when I'm in pain, I laugh and she'll be doing it. And then she'll

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be like, doesn't hurt that much then. Why is it you're not laughing? Give it a moment.

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So, what have you been watching?

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I've only watched one sci-fi thing. And that's not just Discovery. I'm not including Discovery.

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I've watched most of Terminator Zero on Netflix, AKA Terminator the anime series.

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Oh, it looks so good.

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You know, I'm not a big fan of anime. I never have been.

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I've just never really been into it. I've never come across anything that's really floated

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my boat when it comes to it. I mean, I watched most of the Deep Space. I watched most of

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the Dead Space series or the couple of films they did.

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I can't remember what it was called.

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like, I guess, Pokemon as anime, I don't really watch it. It's not something I've ever really

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sought out. But I like the Terminator franchise. Or when I say the Terminator franchise, I

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mean, I like Terminator 1 and 2 and all the others can just not exist. But I thought I'd

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give it a try. As I feel like I missed out on the Sarah Connor Chronicles or whatever

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they called it, which was the live action TV series they did a few years ago. Apparently,

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it never got a satisfactory conclusion, kind of cancelled before its end.

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I don't even know it existed.

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It was meant to be pretty good. Never watched it. Terminator 3, I saw it at the cinema.

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You know what? I enjoyed it, but I enjoyed it as if it was a sci-fi robot film, not part

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of the Terminator. And same with Terminator Salvation. People say about how bad... I enjoyed

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it. But again, just distance yourself from the Terminator franchise and just have it

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as evil robots. It's pretty good. And then there's whatever it was called, Terminator

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Dark Fate. And I could have shit a better film into the toilet than that. That is possibly

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the worst thing I have ever seen created.

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funky. I like the Terminator films on the most part. Let's give this a try. Brilliant.

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First episode's a little bit slow, but it does brilliant storytelling and it really

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helps build the idea that they go with as you go into the rest of the story. Yeah, no,

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really, really blown away with how good it is. I would highly recommend watching it if

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you've got Netflix.

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We're going to watch it. We watch a little bit of anime. So we've watched all of Naruto

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One East and then all of Naruto Chippuden we've seen. Kimetsu no Yaiba is a really good

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one. It's called Demon Slayer on Netflix. I've got Karen into that too. It's a really

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good one. Just visually and on its own right, it's just incredible. What else? Obviously

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I like all the Studio Ghibli. There's a great one. The Girl Who Let Through Time is a good

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one. But really I haven't dabbled that much in it really. Anything else or is that just

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That's it. Really that is it because I went down one evening. I literally tidied my office

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up and I thought, oh, what shall I do? I could watch some special victims unit and I thought,

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no, I've actually seen something a bit different. So I just chilled out and ended up watching

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I think five episodes in a row. I think it was one o'clock in the morning I finally went

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I'm looking forward to the Lord of the Rings one that's coming out.

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Yeah, a lot of praise on it. Fingers crossed if it's been done by the same people that

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did the Amazon bit, fingers crossed it's going to have a good story and a good rating behind

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You'll upset a lot of people. A lot of people hate that Amazon series.

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I thought a lot of people liked it.

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I like it. People I know in person love it.

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Oh, the majority of people I've ever spoken to have said they loved it.

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People seem to hate it.

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Yeah, but I hate the films. But I was bought up reading the original books and they just

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did what Hollywood does, throw in and add bits that aren't necessary to a story because

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they need to add that Hollywood formula to it. So that's not the film's fault. They're

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just doing what the public want.

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I've always been able to differentiate books from films in a way that I can understand

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as you can, as we all really should be able to, they can't put books as films because

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it just doesn't work if you make it exact because just character development stuff,

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you don't have the time. I think nowadays doing series is a better way of, if you want

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to have the proper book experience, you need to do a series.

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Improved with Game of Thrones until the end.

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You know, I wonder sometimes whether these two even like Star Trek. They spend so long

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not talking about it.

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Real test for me is going to come with the inevitable Red Rising series going onto TV

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because I'm so in love with that and know it so well that if they, I'll still be able

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to appreciate if they do something different, but that'll be a part of me and start going,

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oh, this book's so different from it. So I think I won't really understand what other

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people think about the Lord of the Rings books being different until that happens.

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Yeah. So just for those of them people that don't know what Red Rising is, and I've still

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only scratched the surface because I've listened to the first book, I've not listened to the

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second yet.

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It's...

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Pierce Brown is the author.

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Yeah, Pierce Brown is the author. What was that terrible one that we both watched and

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I said, I'm not going to bother with the sequel. Oh God.

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Oh, what, Rebel Moon?

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Rebel Moon. It's very similar in idea, isn't it? Not idea, but styling is what I mean.

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So you've got almost kind of this Roman legionnaires and kind of...

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So it's a space opera is what, is the most concise way of putting it. I always used to

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say imagine Game of Thrones, but far distant future in space. Sci-fi Game of Thrones in

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the far distant future, but there's a very strong tiered hierarchy, almost slavery-esque

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notes through the whole thing and a rebel kind of rising up like kind of Star Wars-y

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thing going on. But it's so beautifully well written, you never know what's really going

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to happen. No character is safe.

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Literally massive characters who you think are just going to be in it forever die. Goodies

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do not always win. This isn't spoilers, this is just... But you cannot expect anything

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I mean, how long ago was it written? Is it fairly recent?

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The guy is not that old. Pierce Brown's not that old.

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So I was going to say, because there's a lot of things you could take from a lot of other

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authors, a lot of other stories. You've almost got parts of things like the Hunger Games

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in there, you've got parts of things like Ender's Game in there. You've got all sorts

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of things that you could say that maybe they took inspiration from. He may not have, but

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there's a lot of different sci-fi and action and fantasy that if you like those things,

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you're probably going to like Red Rising.

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Yeah. Book one is so much like Hunger Games to almost being like, come on dude.

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Yeah. It could very well be. You're talking about one of the 12 areas in the Hunger Games

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story.

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Absolutely. But I always say to everybody, if you don't like Hunger Games, still just

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stick with it. Get to the second. Because the first book, I still think is brilliant,

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but it's so obvious that there are parts, Hunger Game-esque parts, because of a massive

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part at the end of the story is like that. But the rest of it, there's nothing like it.

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Absolutely nothing like it from the next five or six books after that. 28th of January 2014,

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the first book was released.

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That's 10 years ago then. That still fits in with the narrative that we're saying, but

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that's interesting.

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There's six books in total so far and he's got another one coming out. The next one's

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the last one. Anyway.

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Right, Star Trek time at last. What have I been doing? Oh for fuck's sake. Please not

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more supernatural. No supernatural. Thank God. I have not watched any supernatural. I don't

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know what to do with that information. I'm a bit lost.

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You do look a little bit shocked. So Miranda has been watching...

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Well, porn apparently when I walked in the door. It looked like porn. A show called The

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Originals, which is a spin-off of, not True Blood. Is it True Blood? One of those fucking

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vampires. True Blood's The Vampires. What's the other one?

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Oh, I don't know.

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Vampire Diaries. That. It's a spin-off of Vampire Diaries. She's really into that because there's

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another series that she's come out that she wants to watch, but she feels like she has

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to watch it anyway. So she's been watching that and I'm like, I don't want to watch this

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shit. So I've been watching playing Final Fantasy Rebirth the entire time.

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Fair enough.

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So I've had loads of gaming sessions. I've now got 14 hours in.

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Nice.

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It's funny because when I started playing it was like, oh, I'm two hours into the game

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and in Act 2. And then when I got to Act 3 and looked at my play time, I'd spent 10 hours

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in Act 2. So it was like story bit, open world bit, and then there's another story bit and

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open world bit. And the issue I've got with all these games, I can't leave things undone.

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So I 100% did the first open world section, but I couldn't move on until I'd done it.

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Fair enough.

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So that's why I spent 10 hours in Act 2 and did every single, every side quest, every

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objective, every hidden thing that I could possibly find. I did it like you can have

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to find certain enemies and kill them in a certain time and then do certain things while

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fighting them. Did all of those. And then you get loads of VR mission, maxed all the

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VR missions for that section.

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I know exactly what you mean on that one because I've just finished Tomb Raider finally. After

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buying and being so excited about it, I kind of forgot about it because we got into Hell

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Divers. So I finally completed the first one and I missed so many of the secrets. So it's

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like, yep, I will be coming back to this and I will be doing this all through again and

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100%ing the three secrets per level will definitely be happening. I've just started Tomb Raider

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2 and I've already made sure that I'm actually getting all the secrets this time before so

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I don't have to go through it again.

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I did have this thing where one of the VR missions only unlocks if you do this thing

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called Assess, which is when you fight an enemy, you scan it and it tells you its weaknesses

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and how to stagger it, how to pressure it or whatever. And I hadn't been doing it. I'd

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only done it on like a couple of enemies and I needed to do it on 16 different types of

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enemy and there's only 24 different types of enemy in that zone. I was like, shit. So

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then I had to run around and try to remember all the ones already done and go around and

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it took me ages. I think probably an hour going around doing Assess on all these mobs.

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Brilliant.

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Whereas now I'm doing it every single one.

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But there is one other thing we've been doing. You introduced me to World War Z.

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Oh yeah, we played World War Z.

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Which I think that's sci-fi.

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Yeah, no, definitely.

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I love it.

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Originals of the variety show will know we've definitely spoken about this.

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We have, yes, because you've said it's your favourite zombie film.

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Almost 40 episodes ago because I'm pretty sure right at the beginning.

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Yeah, something like episode five or six.

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That's when I would have still been playing it a little bit. People don't know if you've

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played Left 4 Dead. It's a four player co-op zombie horde.

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Yeah, it's Dead Island, Left 4 Dead, all those zombie games amalgamated in one based on the

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film story of World War Z.

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It's set in the universe of the World War Z film. I'm not correcting you when I say

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Z and you say Z, I just say Z. It's not me trying to correct you.

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I don't know why I'm saying Z, to be honest. I don't say it at home because I hate it.

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If you watch any trailers for the film you'll hear them say Z because they're American.

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That's probably all it is. It's probably because that's all I've heard it called. But you know,

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World War Z, sorry, you're right.

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I'm not correcting you, I just decided to say Z. Yeah, and I'm glad you liked it.

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No, I really enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to our next co-op session on it, to be honest.

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I really want to go through the next level with you and see what that's like.

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I'm going to play tonight after this. Get home quick enough if you've got time. Let's

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speed through it so you can play some more.

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No, I'll bet not. If I've got to go to London tomorrow I've got a lot to do. But no, we

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will do. We will catch up on that because I'm very taken with it.

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That's a deal. Oh, I played some Reconnected with an Old Friend and we've been playing

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some Star Wars Battlefront II.

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See, I only even played Battlefront I and I loved it. I thought it was absolutely brilliant.

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It was great fun. Never got a chance to do Battlefront II. So is it worth it?

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Yeah, I've got number one on disc and I really enjoyed number one when I played it.

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So I had a copy each so we could play together.

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Nice. So I think I had one on the PlayStation 4.

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Yeah, that's why I got it on. And then two, apparently I played like five minutes of it

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but I think I just got the PlayStation Plus version and then maybe I played the intro

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while installing and never went back to it. Yeah, that's really good. I'm surprised how

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many people still play it. We had no problems getting into games.

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Oh really?

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Very well populated. There's plenty of people that are as crap as me because I was getting

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kills.

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Oh excellent. Yeah, because that's always my worry joining a game this late. But I don't

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know about how they do the matchmaking. So things like Players Unknown Battleground,

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if you're a newbie player, the first few games you play, you're almost guaranteed to win

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and it's because they place you against bots more often than not.

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Game one is always bots in PUBG.

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Which I think is a nice little entry because it gives you that little boost and you think

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yeah come on I can do this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's it really. Games, games, games, games. It's been quite nice,

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a bit of a change.

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Yeah, it's needed.

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Right, Star Trek.

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So you've been putting this one off because you said you didn't like this episode.

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Yes.

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Did you mean this episode or this series?

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This, well I meant both from memory. Now that might give you a little hint about how I actually

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feel about this episode.

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Yeah, because I'm going to say I was fully expecting it to be up to that stage of where

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we're finding out Mr. Human is actually a Klingon blah blah blah. But of course that

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happens later. This first episode actually quite enjoyed it.

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It was actually quite cool. So season two and season three are some of the worst Star

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Trek, of all of the Star Trek in my opinion, when you see them as a whole, particularly

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three and the end of two I don't like.

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And I think I just kind of ravelled the entire thing in that. And then I was like, I completely

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forgot how much Pike was in it, especially this first episode. And I was watching it,

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I remember I texted the group and I said to Karen, I don't want to watch this. I'm actually

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really not looking forward to it. The first time I'm not looking forward to it because

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I remember struggling through these because Miranda wanted to watch them so much. I was

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like, God, I just can't bear another flipping Discovery episode. But yeah, I sat there watching

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it. I was like, Oh, that's actually, this is fun. Oh, this is good. Oh, the CGI here

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is really good. Oh, a little bit of story. Yeah. Get past that. Oh yeah. This bit's good.

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I was pleasantly surprised being how much I dislike Discovery. I was genuinely surprised

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at actually how much I enjoyed this. And I think it's because I walked away from... So

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when I last watched season one and series two, I pretty much binged them back to back

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because I felt like I've got to give this another chance. And I feel kind of doing that,

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I'd built up this kind of frothy sort of hatred towards it. And that was continued. So even

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if there was a good episode at any point, I wouldn't have given it the credit. It was

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probably due because I just binge watched like the whole first season and hated it.

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And you would have been in the wrong headspace. Exactly. Going into it, knowing, saying to

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yourself, I'm not going to like this. Precisely. Which is actually what I did and found myself

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going, I can't hate this bit because it's good. I can't hate this bit. That was actually

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a funny joke. You know? Precisely. I mean, I'm ignoring... We'll go through this no doubt

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at some point. Well, we're doing what we did last time. We're just going to talk about

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bits of it. I don't want to go through play by play through the whole episode. We'll make

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our way through it, but we don't have to say every scene and comment on every scene like

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we used to. Yeah, fair enough. Okay. Well, the two bits

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that did make me chuckle was there's one when they're in the lift and just randomly... The

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fish man's sick. It tickled me and I just thought that's quite funny. Just silly, but

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funny. Are you okay? Oh yeah, I've heard that's going around. No one else understood what

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he said. It's straight up Prison Pigeon on the variety show.

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That is exactly what I thought. I was like, I really like that.

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So that I liked. Then the bit that really I did really, really like was something that

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Pike says. I like this. We were expecting a red thing. Where's my red thing?

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I've got that written down too. Yeah, I've got that exact quote. Where's my red thing?

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He made the episode. Oh, a hundred percent. If he wasn't in it, it would still have been

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a good episode, but he brought a little bit of comedy to it because he's a funny guy.

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Charisma. He brought charisma to it. Oh, God, yeah.

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Because this is a stage with Burnham where she's still very much in Vulcan mindset and

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she's acting it that way. Which by the way, she doesn't do season four and five. It's

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gone. She acts like a human because story stuff happens where she embraces a human side

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a bit better. It's the whole Spock thing again, isn't it?

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I'm Vulcan, I'm Vulcan, I'm Vulcan. You're part human Spock.

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She embraces a human side later. Yeah, fair enough.

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And the show is so much better for it. Yeah, and I can believe that.

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She acts it better too. Talking about Pike, I've got, holy shit, I've

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gone limp from this Pike. He's not hot now. He looks so, how can he look so different

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between this and Strange New Worlds? He said, his budget. So he has to share his

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make-up and hair budget with everyone else on the show.

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His whole face shape has changed. I think maybe he lost a bit of weight. But also

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his hair colour's slightly different. Darker hair, looks like they're wearing a wet look

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gel in his hair. Fair enough, yeah, okay.

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And then it's definitely more of a wax based system going on.

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He does make the episode though. And I can see why I like Strange New Worlds so much.

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It's him. Yeah, it's him.

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Everything about him. And I know a large proportion of that is about what's been written for him.

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I know that. But his portrayal, his delivery and just what he radiates on the screen is

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amazing. Just full stop, absolutely amazing.

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Accessing library computer data.

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So we kind of really, I think it's quite a bit of a slow start really to the whole episode

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in general. There's a lot of a guff and a lot of going back in time and seeing her as

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a child and meeting Spock. There's a very cool bit where he does that art and pulls

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them out of the screen to make that big serpent creature.

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So yeah, I've got written down here. Are they suggesting that Spock at that age hadn't mastered

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his emotions? Now it is absolutely on point with the original series and the original

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series films because yes, that's what they say about with Spock. They say he struggled

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at the Vulcan schools because of his humanity and not being able to release his anger and

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stuff. So basically this giant space thing is Spock's way of doing a big fuck you to

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his parents and to Burnham.

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It represents he's pissed off. Yeah. I got that same thing because I called it a big

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space eel thing. Cool as fuck. CGI really good.

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Absolutely.

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Really impressed with it. Didn't like the getting to that bit. Like the starting off

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with that long winded intro stuff I thought was really boring.

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That long intro was painful and it did make me think, Oh God, here we go. The thing I

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did think was cool and I did Google, I didn't Google it. I arched this. Sorry, I should

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say because I don't do it anymore. I arch searched this and I said, can you look this

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up? And I asked the question, Star Trek discovery, did they use real Cassini images in that intro?

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Yeah, I wondered that if that was real.

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And I can confirm the episode begins with Michael Burnham saying space, the final frontier

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while showing photographs of Saturn taken by Cassini. So yes, it was confirmed that

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they used the real images captured by NASA's Cassini. Now Cassini was launched in 1997.

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It was a partnership between NASA and the European Space Agency. And it did its final,

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final orbit in 2017.

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Oh, it lasts a long time.

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Yeah, it did 20 years in space. But yeah, so I thought that was really cool that they'd

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used real images of Saturn for at least that bit. And for those of you that think it's

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the black and white images of Saturn's rings and Saturn up close. And that's just, that

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still blows my mind a little bit that we've had spacecraft out that far and got images

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that are just mind blowing. But yet the rest of it, I just think it was a bit pony. And

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the thing I found difficult, not just the slow story with it, but how they've portrayed

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Vulcan in this. So if you go, and I know I'm chopping backwards and forwards, but we're

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led to believe this is meant to be the same timeline. This is meant to be the same timeline

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and universe as the original series. It's not meant to be the same timeline as the new

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Star Trek films. I think it's meant to be the same timeline.

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Well, it's before, well it's before Kirk.

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No, but it's, so if we are talking about Star Trek series, you've got the modern films that

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have been done by JJ Abrams. That's called the Kelvin timeline and it's completely its

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own timeline. This is meant to be the same timeline as the original series, the next

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generation.

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Enterprise.

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Yeah. And if you look at the original films, Vulcan's portrayed, they don't have nice modern

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housing like they do on earth. Instead they're all very almost, if you think kind of the

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Spanish islands like Lanzarote and stuff like that, that have got the traditional kind of

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stone built housing. It's kind of that, but with technology infused inside it. And then

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basically Vulcan is quite a big kind of desert sort of planet sort of thing. And then they've

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got the big schools built into mountains and stuff like that. This kind of just, you watch

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it and you go, they're just on earth, aren't they?

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Well, that house was horrible by the way. Blue staircase.

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It was.

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God.

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It just made, it's kind of, look, if you're trying to stick with one timeline, stick with

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one timeline, but try and stay faithful to what you're building it on. And I know you've

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already broken that with Discovery being a ship that can fold space and everything like

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that, but everything else you can kind of keep in place.

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Those of you listening who are like me and on Mug Watch, there are no mugs in this episode.

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Oh, there's no mugs?

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I didn't see a single mug. No receptacles were sucked from, which was a shame. Sorry

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to just get that in. No mugs. You do see it, you get a good shot of the bridge.

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You do get a good shot of the bridge.

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Get to see Saru for the first time.

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And it ruins it because right before the introduction music I've got, Oh God, I hate this.

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I hate Tilly. She's so annoying and loud.

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Yep. Tilly is-

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She runs onto scream, shouting, oh, shut up.

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Yeah. Tilly is a downside to this episode. Certainly. Even though she has quite an important

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point in the plot later on, she is annoying in her mannerisms.

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Right. Now you know what? Actually, I want to address that right bloody now. The whole,

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his name is Stamets, isn't it? This whole storyline on Stamets is shit in this episode.

428
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You cannot start an episode with 30 seconds of, Oh yeah, I see him everywhere. I'm going

429
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,840
to go and see if I can buy and then literally say nothing else for the rest of the episode.

430
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,160
And then the last 30 seconds, we're going to capture an asteroid. Oh, I'm all erect.

431
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,640
Right. I'm going to come and do this. And then it's forgotten about. No.

432
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:39,680
So this episode directly follows on from the end of the first season where his partner,

433
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,840
who I cannot remember his name-

434
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:41,840
The Doctor.

435
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,520
The Doctor, who's a fucking brilliant character later on. I have written it down in my notes

436
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:53,360
somewhere. We'll get there eventually. He is killed. I think he's either killed or sucked

437
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,640
into the mycennial network. Something happens to-

438
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,240
Something happens, but he comes back later, doesn't he?

439
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,000
He comes back in it later. Spoilers for everybody. To tell you the spoiler warning after I've

440
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,800
told you the spoiler. But if anyone's seen a single trailer, he plays a massive part

441
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:08,800
in the last-

442
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:09,800
Oh, a hundred percent.

443
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,120
So, and he's a really good character.

444
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,400
He's a really good actor.

445
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,920
Stamets, this, I've wrote down it. This is one of the only moments you ever really see

446
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,840
him on the bridge. Later on, he never leaves engineering in the other seasons from where

447
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,360
I remember. Never really leaves him. I find him a very frustrating character.

448
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:33,040
See, I quite like him.

449
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:40,480
Even later on, he becomes less arrogant. He's very arrogant. The character is very arrogant

450
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,760
and made that way. I think he really gets put down a peg at the end of season one and

451
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,160
he's trying to figure out where he is. I think by the end of it, he just becomes a little

452
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,920
bit of a whiny bastard. Particularly, maybe just because I'm comparing him to his partner,

453
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:01,200
the Doctor in the latest series, who actually becomes a much stronger character. They swap

454
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:08,120
roles, as the season goes on. The Doctor becomes, I think, a much stronger, much better, more

455
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:17,120
entertaining character and much more well-rounded. Yeah, much, gets his own personality. Whereas,

456
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:24,080
I feel like at the beginning, he's very much just the partner slash love interest of the

457
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,320
engineer and we need to have a Doctor so he can be the Doctor. Maybe other people will

458
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,720
disagree with that, but that's what it felt like to me. They didn't utilise him enough.

459
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,360
Yeah, he could have had a much bigger role.

460
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,520
I mean, he does have a big role by the end of it. But I just think, in general, it's

461
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:49,440
so much discovery slash the Burnham show that all the other characters don't get room to

462
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:59,040
breathe because of her until later. As well, when Tilly's on and the anxiety that she brings

463
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:06,880
into each scene, she absorbs energy too. So, these other characters don't really get a

464
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,480
look in, in my opinion.

465
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,600
Which is a shame because when you consider, I mean, TOS is slightly different. TOS, the

466
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:20,080
original series that is, it's very Kirk-centric. It's Kirk, Spock and that's pretty much it.

467
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:29,080
Then when you get to the films, it's Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Chekov, Sulu, Fine, Uhura, Scotty

468
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,240
and that's pretty much it. Actually, the original series is pretty much half of those characters

469
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:44,360
again. But when you get to the TNG era and Voyager and Deep Space Nine, you can go episodes

470
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:50,000
at times where main characters don't appear or they appear for a very brief moment because

471
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:57,400
they're giving a storyline to just someone else. I really liked that about Star Trek,

472
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,560
but you're right with Discovery. It does feel very much like, at least these first couple

473
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:10,600
of seasons, all we care about is Burnham and the trail of fire that she leaves behind her,

474
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,600
whatever she does.

475
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:19,800
Hugh, Hugh Culber is the character's name, the Doctor. Yeah, it's, she gets, she gets,

476
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:25,200
it all gets better. All I can say to anybody is that Discovery genuinely really does get

477
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:33,440
better. But this, and it feels like that they taken so much from the JJ Abrams films in

478
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,360
the stylisation of this series.

479
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,360
Yes.

480
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,000
Lens flares, LED lights.

481
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,000
Lens flare, everything's holograms.

482
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:47,320
Yeah, which we all know would never work in reality. That just would not work in reality.

483
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:53,000
You won't be able to see screens. Everyone would have headaches all the time. You know,

484
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,440
I know that they're saying in the next generation, no one has a headache anymore, but everyone

485
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,440
would have a fucking headache.

486
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,640
You know, those little weird pod things they fly later in the episode.

487
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,040
The Star Trek ball, no, the Jurassic Park balls.

488
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,920
Yeah, okay. The Jurassic Park balls of Star Trek. Yeah. You can imagine two of them will

489
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,040
be going, oh, no, that's fine. And then there'll be the third one going, oh, fuck's sake, I've

490
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,280
got the one that's got the dodgy frame rate again.

491
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,840
You'll be looking over to them and then you'll be going, oh, god, my eyes. Can you turn your

492
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,320
lights down? Really? Like someone's shining a torch in your eye because they just lit

493
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:28,400
this beacon in space. By the way, that scene, by the way, I totally get that it sounds cool.

494
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:34,420
Sounds very tie fighter, weird noise, but there's an elegance to the realism of other

495
00:35:34,420 --> 00:35:41,440
shows where there's no sound. You know, space has no sound. So none of that would have made

496
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,440
a noise.

497
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,920
No, instead we get sounds of basically drag racing in space.

498
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:53,880
It sounds a mixture of Formula One and it's gone through, they've gone into the audition

499
00:35:53,880 --> 00:36:01,720
and they've just put like a sci-fi thingy onto it. And then they've gone and got some

500
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:08,200
tie fighting noises. It sounds fucking brilliant. I get it. Very cinematic. We'll probably get

501
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,400
to that scene a bit later. That's a really, really cool, fun scene. But yeah, I just like,

502
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:20,200
I'd like to hear this without all that. Just, you know, like they would have done in Interstellar

503
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,200
or something, silence.

504
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,200
Yeah.

505
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,200
Just have a really...

506
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,200
Less can be more.

507
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,840
Maybe a score in the background or maybe not even that. Just like, this is actually what

508
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,960
it would have been like. It might have even felt more intense because they would have

509
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:39,280
heard noises in their cockpit because there's things for noises to come around in the stuff

510
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,280
inside there.

511
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,040
Yeah, but there's air inside their cockpit. So anything that hit their ship or pod or

512
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,400
whatever you want to call it, would have resonated inside. So they would have heard that noise.

513
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,680
They wouldn't have heard anything else, but they would have heard anything going on inside

514
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,240
there. So yeah, maybe have just some internal sounds.

515
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:58,960
But it can't be too odd, because all of them do this. Everything does this.

516
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,000
Absolutely. It's rare that you get something that doesn't do that.

517
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,600
But yeah, that's a really good scene. We've already said about the fish sneezing.

518
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,600
Is it a good scene?

519
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,240
I liked it. Yeah, I liked all of the kind of...

520
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,560
Where the fuck did these little shishy pods come from?

521
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,560
Okay.

522
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,560
They're not shuttle crum. What the fuck's going on?

523
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,760
The stylisation of those pods, as I said, the Jurassic Park balls are fucking weird.

524
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,720
And there's nothing like that in Star Trek anywhere else.

525
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:29,640
The little pods are stupid. They sound stupid. They're controlled stupidly. Stupid.

526
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,480
But the scene itself is cool. Flying shuttles.

527
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,520
And absolutely the dickhead deserved to die.

528
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,200
Oh yeah, no bed. He was a prat from the beginning. He had some fucking bee in his bonnet, didn't

529
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,200
he?

530
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:45,800
And then he's boasting about something to do with fucking Star Trek Academy and someone,

531
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,200
and then he gets wiped out because he won't listen to Burnham.

532
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:55,760
A hundred percent deserved to. I just didn't... I didn't particularly like the pod. I just

533
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,760
didn't particularly like the design of anything. And yeah, the scene is pretty cool. But even

534
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:07,600
then Pike's capsule pod, whatever you want to call it, stopped working. Why did Burnham

535
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:14,720
have to jump out and catch him when they were just going to eject him from the ship anyway?

536
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:20,480
His ejector suit had malfunctioned too. So even if he could get out, I had to actually

537
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,240
stop and watch it again for this exact reason to figure out why the fucking hell she had

538
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:30,760
to do any of that. So his suit had failed. Everything had failed. So even if he did eject

539
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,320
when his visor finally came down, he would have been floating through space. So she can't

540
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,320
use...

541
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,720
Because if the visor was down, the suit would probably start working.

542
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:45,600
He got it down by forcing it down by hitting his head. So the electronics inside the suit,

543
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,920
the ejector, the thrusters and all that, I'm assuming is what it meant.

544
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:49,920
Yeah, fair enough.

545
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:55,600
So she needed to... What a fucking hell, launch herself, do some maths, launch herself and

546
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:01,680
then get the ship to fire thrusters on her. I think, get that. Why the ship had to do

547
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,440
the thrusters? Why she can do the thrusters?

548
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,160
Because she just wanted to cuddle with Pike like us all.

549
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,440
Yeah, I mean, I was jealous of her in that scene.

550
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,840
We were all very jealous of that.

551
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,720
I'd like to be in a suit cuddling him in space.

552
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:18,160
Again, the suits were a nice design. I actually liked the suits better than I did the pods.

553
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,060
And I liked the fact, you know, the button they had in their chest to make the helmet

554
00:39:21,060 --> 00:39:27,160
go away. I liked the fact they had to hit that. So it wasn't just like you will see

555
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:32,360
in something like... In fact, there's a prime one lost in space, the Matt LeBlanc film.

556
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,680
You just little tap of it and it comes down. So basically he's in space. All you do is

557
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,800
you fly over to him and quickly tap it. You're fucked. This, you could see they've been,

558
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,240
they've thought about it. So the fact that you've got to actively kind of hit your chest

559
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:50,880
hard to trigger it makes you think, did they think about that? So you can't just accidentally

560
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,600
tap it when you're out in space and...

561
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,920
In reality, it will have something on your hand that has to connect with that on your

562
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,720
chest. So no one can come up to you and do it. That's the reality of it, isn't it? There

563
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:08,440
will be something where your fist has to connect with that pad, not just anyone's fist. I disagree

564
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,400
with you on the suits. The colours. Now hear me out.

565
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,000
No.

566
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,120
There's comments earlier, by the way, we had to wait eight minutes for Pike to appear in

567
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,800
this episode. We had eight minutes of damn near torture before Pike appeared in this

568
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,800
episode.

569
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,200
Very cool looking uniforms compared to the shitty Discovery ones.

570
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:35,280
Now, uniforms. And I'll get to my point about that. The actual style is identical. It's

571
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,240
just the colours that are different. That collar on both is exactly the same. There's

572
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:40,800
just the colours that have changed.

573
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,800
Oh really?

574
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,600
Yeah. So if you look at it, they had that same bit where the collar is bigger as it

575
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:50,200
comes out the front. Now it looked better on the blue suits than I think it did on Pike's

576
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,700
yellow with the black because it looked bigger and it looked, I think it looked a bit stupid,

577
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:55,700
that big collar.

578
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:58,200
But when I noticed it, it's the same as the blue ones.

579
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,920
Actually, I prefer the colourful uniforms and how they look.

580
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,200
I prefer the colours of the colourful ones, but I didn't like the collar. Now it took

581
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,680
me a while to realise that's the same blue as what the Enterprise series blue was. Of

582
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,560
course it would be because that was the old uniform.

583
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:18,200
Yes. It's a natural progression on from where we had Enterprise.

584
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,200
And they comment on it down there and they say something like, oh, I like the new uniforms.

585
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:27,880
So they comment about it. Now just before they're beamed on, did you notice what the

586
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:33,480
person that's in control of the transporter was wearing?

587
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,000
I didn't notice.

588
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,680
It pans across as they walk into the room, it pans across. So you've got the door on

589
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:45,080
the left and it pans as they walk in. And then the foreground is someone's head and

590
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:53,200
they're wearing what remarkably looks like a early version of Geordie's visor.

591
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,200
I didn't notice.

592
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,200
Ah, yes.

593
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,200
I'll say it again.

594
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,240
You'll watch it again and you'll see what I mean. When they walk into the room to meet

595
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:06,100
them at the transporter, they've got a, I've got here, yeah. But the beaming thing, wait,

596
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:08,120
is that a prototype Geordie visor?

597
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,280
Yeah, I'll have to watch that again. I didn't notice that. Now back to what I'm saying about

598
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:17,760
the uniforms. So they're told they're in new uniforms. Now these will be the only uniforms

599
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:23,440
they have because they've come from the enterprise to discovery. Now they're going onto the discovery

600
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:32,180
pods and they're going to get into the discoveries spacesuits. So tell me why the three people

601
00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:41,560
from enterprise have got into discovery suits, but have the colors from the enterprise. Surely

602
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:48,320
when they all got into those pods, they would have had to have put on discovery spacesuits,

603
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,800
which would not have been colorful.

604
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:59,320
But the spacesuits don't necessarily have to meet the same. So don't forget if you look

605
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:05,640
at, let's actually fast forward past the original series and go to the next generation and go

606
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:15,360
to first contact. And you remember the scene where Worf Picard and, oh, who else goes out

607
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,520
with them? Worf and Picard and one other go out. Oh yeah, Ensign Dave will call him because

608
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,240
he gets killed by the book. They go out onto the hole, don't they? They're all the same

609
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:29,560
color. So I think the spacesuits, they wouldn't be...

610
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,840
No, but they're wearing the colors that they were wearing the uniform of.

611
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:33,840
Oh, were they?

612
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,000
Yeah. So Pike, his yellow one, the other woman had red.

613
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,000
Oh, I didn't, I didn't even...

614
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,000
The other one had the light blue.

615
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,000
I didn't spot that.

616
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Burnham had the dark blue.

617
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,720
Oh, I didn't spot that.

618
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:47,120
And it's like they're in a rush as if Pike would have contacted the enterprise and said,

619
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,280
oh, can you just beam down our color coded spacesuits? He wouldn't have done that. He

620
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,280
wouldn't care.

621
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,320
Yes, they would. No, no, no, no, no, no, they would have because don't forget he's taking

622
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:00,980
command of discovery. He's not going to be back on the enterprise for potentially ever.

623
00:44:00,980 --> 00:44:06,200
We don't know what's going to happen on that mission because that's when they walk to the

624
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:11,640
red thing, enterprise is left where it is and it goes off on its merry way. It's not

625
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:19,360
in tow. It's not following them. Pike is on the discovery for whatever period of time

626
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,440
he's on there. So I think, yes, they would have sent over all of his stuff and seeing

627
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,720
that the ships don't have replicators yet, they would have their own uniform.

628
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:33,560
I think that that's just a thing they did for the art style. And actually, if I'm going

629
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,440
to pick it apart, I think it doesn't work. I think they should have all been in the same

630
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,440
spacesuits.

631
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,960
I don't know. I think it does work. I do think because I think it would be you'd have personal

632
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:47,360
uniform, no replicators. You'd basically be relying on them going to discovery and them

633
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,320
having Pike's fit.

634
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,940
Well then whoever is running lower decks logistics on the enterprise has done a really good job

635
00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:58,920
at teleporting all of that kit over. Oh, Pike's leaving. I better send all of this kit over.

636
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,640
Let's face it, we've already had a really boring intro. Do we want another five minutes

637
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,280
of boring? Oh, what are we doing in the transporter bay? We're just watching boxes be transported

638
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,280
over.

639
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,160
Well, I'm going to show it. I just thought we were going to rip apart a bit. That bit

640
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,320
I just pointed out to myself straight away. I didn't feel like they'd have those colours.

641
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:23,280
No, fair enough. No, I get what you're saying. I do get what you're saying. I don't agree,

642
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,280
but I do get what you're saying.

643
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:29,080
Anyway, can you tell me about the point of this whole episode? So that might be an idea.

644
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,720
Yeah. So there's did we even say what episode we're doing? Season two, episode one brother.

645
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:39,480
We had said that already and Valencia did announce it again. Okay. Thanks for the answer.

646
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:45,180
Firstly, you are welcome, Tom. It's nice to be appreciated once in a while. Secondly,

647
00:45:45,180 --> 00:45:50,800
how the fuck is this 45 minutes in and you are only just mentioning the episode title

648
00:45:50,800 --> 00:46:02,200
amateurs. Yeah. So I'd insert Valencia here. So I can respond to you. Do you have a conversation

649
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:07,480
with him? You're a wanker. You keep skipping my stuff. What the actual fuck? You're going

650
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:15,400
to regret that. Leave my mother out of this. She's a strong, beautiful, independent woman.

651
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:21,200
Right. So I got to regret the chipmunk. You're going to regret upsetting Valencia. He bloody

652
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:28,800
is in your, the variety show. Anyway, Valentino's in the variety show. You have Valencia. It's

653
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:34,720
just the same guy. We just changed his name. Don't ruin the magic. It's the whole uniform

654
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:40,000
things. Isn't it already? Yeah. What color uniform has he got for you? Oh well. Is he

655
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:47,200
a red shirt? It's purple. He doesn't even know my name. Fuck you, Tom. You smart ass

656
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:53,240
piece of shit. I withdraw my gratitude to you earlier. Shove it up your ass and Rob,

657
00:46:53,240 --> 00:47:02,160
fuck you too. You'll both regret this. Right. Well, where we get? Yeah. So basically there's

658
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:07,520
some red things, some anomalies are happening across the galaxy. They've had seven of these

659
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:13,040
red energy spikes across the apparently at random across space. And they need to go find

660
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,960
out what they are. Basically that's it. And one is active at that time. And that's what's

661
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,760
happening. And that's why we made the comment earlier about Pike saying the, where's my

662
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,820
red thing? Because they eventually get to one of them, find out that there's a big destroyed

663
00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:32,520
asteroid field or something. And then they find there's a Star Trek vessel marooned

664
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,560
in the middle of where this red thing is. And that's when Pike made the comment is,

665
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:42,680
where's my red thing? Yes. I don't see any red things. Now at this point, so we've talked

666
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:49,300
about the pods, they're crashing or they're landing on the asteroid. And you've got this

667
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:55,600
part where Burnham is saying, we don't leave people behind. Then speaking about discovery

668
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,600
saying, can you manually control his pod? Yes, we can. And then there's this bit where

669
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:07,560
she there's like silence and they say, oh, Burnham, we can do it. Can't we girls? And

670
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:13,360
they're like, Oh, oh, yes, yes, yes. And I just got written here. At points, this just

671
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,600
feels like a bloody sitcom. It doesn't feel like a sci fi show. They there's a lot of

672
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:24,860
this episode as much as I enjoyed the episode. A lot of it feels very out of place with what

673
00:48:24,860 --> 00:48:29,160
you would consider a sci fi show. There's lots of bits to it that are sitcom-y like

674
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:34,880
the lift scene with the fish alien with where's my red thing with this bit that she's shouting

675
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:41,160
back at the girls and they go, Oh, yeah, it's really just weird. I can't really put my finger

676
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:47,360
on it, but it just it feels very sitcom-y all of a sudden. And then yeah, you're right.

677
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:59,000
They crashed onto the asteroid and they survive. That actually annoyed me a little bit. Yeah.

678
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:07,640
So she gets thrown out of the hurt. She or she ejects out of her pod. They manually eject

679
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:13,120
Pike and you hear him laugh happily maniacally as his thing comes down and he realizes he's

680
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:19,720
sort of like that. I like that. She catches him. Yeah. And we see her thrusters fire and

681
00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:27,840
then it goes back to the bridge of discovery. Yep. And it's, Oh, it's radio science. She's

682
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:34,400
not answering. Oh, they're dead. You've done it wrong. You cannot show someone ejects out,

683
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:40,440
catch the other person and her emergency thrusters that you're firing fire and then do the radio

684
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:46,720
science. What you do is you fire out capture and then you show them go on the bridge firing

685
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:51,320
it but you don't show the person's thing firing and then you do the radio science because

686
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:56,080
there's absolutely no way in my head that I think they haven't survived. Yeah. I know

687
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:01,480
it's a really little silly little winch but there was just, you've wasted 30 seconds here

688
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:06,200
that you could have done something more with the story elsewhere by giving the whole audience,

689
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:11,520
the whole audience already know they're alive. So why are you pretending that you don't?

690
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:18,440
Yeah. Did you notice the untitled trick show Easter egg that discovery had placed in there

691
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:25,560
for us? Did they? On the ship. There's the Hippocratic symbol on the ship. Oh yes. That's

692
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:34,640
a shout out to our suicide, suicidal war episode. Just for us that was put there in post-production.

693
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,960
Yeah. Obviously then they land on the asteroid. I did like this but I've got hit written down

694
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:45,720
here. Oh look, it's a shiny thing flying towards them. Oh, it's Eve from Wall-E. Yeah. Eve had

695
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:50,120
that vibes but this is the introduction to one of the best characters in entire Star

696
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:57,100
Trek, Commander Jet Reno. Played by Tignorato who is just full stop brilliant. Whatever

697
00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:03,360
they are in, it's amazing. Now, I'm sorry everyone, she is criminally underutilised

698
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:11,120
in the entirety of Discovery. She is literally the entire of a whole season gone. Just not

699
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:17,760
in it and never says why. I can't remember if it was season, I think it's season four.

700
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:24,560
She may be in it for like five minutes and it's not addressed. I can only imagine that

701
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:30,560
the actress was busy doing something else. The same as that zombie film that she's in

702
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:36,800
where she's actually not in it. Oh really? So there's a zombie film that she's in in

703
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:42,280
Las Vegas and they have to go into one of the vaults in Las Vegas to get loads of money

704
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,880
out. Army of the Dead? Could be Army of the Dead. Yes, that's the one because it's got

705
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,960
Vegas looking front end. Any scene you see her with Batista, they were not there together.

706
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:56,200
Oh really? She couldn't film on those days, she had to do something else. So they all

707
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,920
pretended she was there and they filmed her separately and put her in it. Oh that's brilliant.

708
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,520
Go back and watch that film knowing that. I've never watched it. I like to. Watch it

709
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:09,680
now and see what a fucking brilliant job they did because you would never know. That's brilliant.

710
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,000
That is absolutely brilliant. Now someone's going to correct me and tell me that was actually

711
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:18,080
bullshit but I've seen stuff on YouTube showing you how they did it. So unless that was all

712
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:23,400
bullshit too. But yeah. I could ask the American maker, she is so good. You'll see in this

713
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:28,600
episode, she brings such a good energy and the character's brilliant and every single

714
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,920
time they use her in the entire show, she is like that. She's brilliant.

715
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:38,920
I've got, this is the introduction to Tig, as in the actress. One of the few characters

716
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:45,880
I did, I do like. And you're right, I love their character in this. It's just the sarcasm,

717
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:53,120
the delivery, the energy. That whole, you get the real, I hate what's going on vibe

718
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:59,040
from her. But it's done so well and just wonderful.

719
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,160
She's got super mad scientist vibes.

720
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:07,400
Oh God yeah. The whole point, I've got two questions for you to see if you paid attention.

721
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,640
But yeah, she's kept these people alive and then one of them goes, aren't you an engineer?

722
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:13,800
The human body is just a machine.

723
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:14,800
They're all just machines.

724
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,800
And I like to read.

725
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,800
What?

726
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,840
Because all of her solutions that you can see are all engineering solutions. It's like

727
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:23,840
his heart wasn't working.

728
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:28,560
I just got a Bolian's heart and I wired it up.

729
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,560
Yeah, done.

730
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:30,560
That's brilliant.

731
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:35,600
They just need their blood moving. What does it matter what's doing it? That's it.

732
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:41,780
So they walk in and meet them. And we see on the top bunk of the medibeds, an alien

733
00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:47,040
laying there and it's got a little holographic display because everything's holograms. And

734
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,000
it's got how many hearts the patient has.

735
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,640
Is it, was it two hearts?

736
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:57,000
It was four. So it's got a picture of four hearts showing each of them, which I thought

737
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:04,560
was really cool. And then just because I can, how many, what length of time?

738
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:05,560
Ten months, 11 days.

739
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,120
Oh, you wrote it down as well.

740
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,120
And what star base was she on their way to?

741
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,120
Oh, fuck off.

742
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,240
Star base 36.

743
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:15,240
36.

744
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:22,320
Yeah. This, this is one of my favourite scenes. All because of her. Yeah. I just wish it had

745
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,320
just been her and Pike.

746
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:28,080
It was so well written as well. But yeah, her and Pike would have been perfect because

747
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:33,040
they would have bounced off each other. But to an extent, I didn't mind Burnham in this

748
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,760
bit. And you get that whole point where I'm just going to say Tig because I can never

749
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,040
remember it's Jess. I know it's Commander Jen or Reno, whatever we want to call her.

750
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,600
So where were you 10 months ago?

751
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,320
Yeah. When, when Burnham just knows how to do loads of engineering stuff to get the,

752
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,400
the teleport pad to work.

753
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,520
And I've got, ah, so there you have it. It's a question in, it's an answer to a question

754
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:01,360
we asked a few episodes ago when we had that questions episode, transporting off a transporter

755
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:07,520
pad is safer. Yeah. So you can be transported from anywhere, but it's safer to do it off

756
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,520
the pad.

757
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:14,120
I kind of feel like it works like a dish too. It becomes a very focused, I think we might

758
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,760
say this is a, you stand on here because you're getting teleported. And in fact, what I like

759
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,880
is no interference in this Faraday cage.

760
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:26,960
That transporter is surrounded by giant dishes. So it's almost like it's an early transporter

761
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:32,440
and you can see kind of where the technology has progressed to do it. So I really did like

762
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:33,440
that bit.

763
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,280
Yeah. As I was saying, I think it's like a teleporter Faraday cage. So I can think of

764
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:43,080
really, and yeah, monsters all get, monsters, aliens all get teleported. And it's a great

765
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:48,320
bit where she gets off and gets blown away and you see Pike run to try and get to her

766
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:53,080
and he gets teleported mid run. I quite like that because you think, oh yeah, they've got

767
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,480
to stand still to get teleported, but he's like, he doesn't give a fuck. He's just like,

768
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:02,480
I need to save her. No point. Now doesn't explain how he gets back. No, I assume they

769
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,520
save her. Yeah. Because we've really said, well, well, I presume he can't beam down because

770
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:13,160
they've just blown up that area. So it's just like that. I'm not sure. And then the determinant

771
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,040
amount of time passes too, because there's a display and she, and she gets hit on the

772
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:21,760
head, doesn't she? Yeah. And goes unconscious. So there's two options really. Did he get

773
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:28,200
in another pod and come down in which case, or did jet do something or did, well, did

774
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,320
jet do something or they beamed him down? If they beamed him down, why didn't they just

775
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:38,800
do that in the first place? Yeah. This, it breaks that story. Yeah. No matter how you

776
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:44,520
look at that and they didn't really say how they get her off. No, they teleport him off.

777
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,120
So you get teleported off. Yep. Cause she's down because she can't take the rock with

778
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:53,440
her. Well, it's not, she can't. And that wasn't it. No, I thought that was actually interesting.

779
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,600
They got the lock on her and just because she was holding something meant they didn't

780
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,560
lock onto that as well. No, I thought that was a bit odd. No, it's because of what the

781
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,600
rock was made of. Oh, sorry. You're right. That's what Tilly gets. Yeah. They're talking

782
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,280
in the bed when it's fixing her leg. Cause I was like, well, she had that jagged thing

783
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,880
going for her leg. Did that come with her? Well, I presume it must have. Because then

784
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:19,400
is that not part of the, that was a piece of metal that was from the ship. Right. Yeah.

785
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,880
And I liked it. Like she'd broken some femur and she'd be ready. She'd be healed in two

786
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,840
hours. Yeah. I quite liked that. I was like, it's actually nice to be like, to have a little

787
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,840
bit and be told, no, our technology is that good. And the random doctor in the background

788
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:38,680
as well going, yeah, no, you aren't a great patient. Just walking off. It's like, yeah,

789
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:45,200
that doctor is actually in it a few times, but yeah, she feels very, um, very random

790
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,560
and you did see what the red thing is. You saw that weird figure. I'm not going to spoil

791
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,480
it for anybody. I'm just not going to spoil it for you. No, fair enough. I might have

792
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:58,040
sorry. I know exactly what it is. Okay. Well, that's not a spoil for everybody else. Um,

793
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:04,160
but then yeah. So, oh, and then we see now they need to, this whole time. Yeah. Now Tilly's

794
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,360
in it big time. And we find out the whole time that Bernard has been trying to recover.

795
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,160
He's actually been working on the mathematics of how they can catch one of the asteroids

796
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:17,800
gives it to Tilly. Tilly goes to Tilly, who's just a fucking ensign, by the way, she is

797
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:25,200
a low, low level person who seems to manage to get on the bridge somehow. And by the way,

798
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,920
accidentally put all of Pike's personal details on the fucking viewer screen earlier, which

799
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:35,200
he didn't seem bothered about massive GDPR breach by Tilly. Well, let's face it, the

800
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:40,440
European union doesn't exist at this point. So I think GDPR probably got dissolved. And

801
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:45,320
I like how that scene, sorry, I like how it's like, ah, my stain on my record, the F I

802
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,600
got an astrophysics. And all the rest are A stars. And it keeps scrolling and it's just

803
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:55,600
award, award, award, award, award. Yeah. I did quite like that. That was a neat touch.

804
00:58:55,600 --> 00:59:01,960
But yeah, she is, is frustrating. But the rest of the episode now is a bit annoying.

805
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:08,280
I was like, did they really need to shoehorn in catching an asteroid to make Stamets want

806
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,920
to stay? I just thought it was a really stupid thing. I think it's, it would have been so

807
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:18,080
much better to have dedicated some more story to maybe, well, Pike, because we like Pike,

808
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:24,320
I know, but you could have dedicated more to Tignorato's character. Or, I mean, there's

809
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,680
so much more they could have done. I mean, you could have had a scene on the bridge while

810
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:35,360
they're down on there. I mean, you've got Saru, he's moaning. Well, you're not moaning.

811
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:40,040
Hang on, it's a beam. We need to have the shields down. We can't have shields. Yeah.

812
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:46,200
And things are coming towards us. Your spaceship has phasers. Every other starship in every

813
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,120
other series would have been going, boop, boop, boop, boop, shooting them, turning them

814
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,580
into smaller things that aren't going to be an issue. Yeah. And we only see his neck worms

815
00:59:54,580 --> 00:59:58,080
very briefly too, considering he's supposed to be shit scared of absolutely everything

816
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:07,800
at this stage. And again, sitcom moment. So what did you expect? So yeah, fair enough.

817
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:14,320
And well, that's the episode. Yeah. I will say the one thing I will say about Saru, I'm

818
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:24,560
just looking up here, is the dedication the actor had to creating this portrayal of Saru,

819
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:31,960
turned down to his walking movement is just utterly beautiful. And it's just the concentration

820
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:38,520
alone in remembering your lines, being able to say your lines and to be able to do all

821
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:43,960
of that while walking, swaying your arms and remembering to do all of this characterisation

822
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,240
you've created for yourself. Well, you know who he is? It's amazing. His name's Doug Jones.

823
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:54,520
Doug Jones, yeah. Who is probably like the best of those kind of actors. He's in Panhandle

824
01:00:54,520 --> 01:01:00,400
and Panslabyrinth. He's in Hellboy. He's in the Shape of Water. So he's the water creature

825
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:08,480
in Hellboy and the Shape of Water. He is in, I think he's the big horned creature in Pan's

826
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:17,080
Labyrinth. I think he's the zombie in Hocus Pocus. He's been in so much. Yeah. He is a

827
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:23,080
very typecast in that kind of role, but for good reason, because he's a very good actor.

828
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:29,000
And I've heard a lot of stuff about him being able to put up with a very claustrophobic

829
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:35,400
nature of all of these suits that they get put in. And he's very, very patient, doesn't

830
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:40,080
move, very calm whenever they put in the makeup on, which can last for hours. I remember seeing

831
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:50,120
something from Willem Del Toro about the Shape of Water and how he loved Doug because of

832
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:57,720
just how he completely embodies these monsters that he plays. He is, in my opinion, probably

833
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:05,000
the biggest actor in the Stin Discovery. The most beautiful, well cast, probably biggest

834
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:11,720
name in it. And he is at Axeru faultlessly for the entire five seasons.

835
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:17,880
Yeah. You cannot deny, or sorry, not deny, sorry, you can't believe that he isn't really

836
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an alien in this. Yeah. Not just the makeup. The makeup is really good. That's never going

837
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:29,520
to be taken away from the people that have done the makeup. However, makeup only does

838
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so much. If you've got someone that can't do the job, no matter what makeup you do on

839
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it, it's going to be a shit character. Every action he makes, as Saru, like what

840
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you're saying, you think he is an alien. Everything is calculated in such a way.

841
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:52,000
He moves his hands. He moves them very flowing because they're so much longer. I'm doing

842
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,000
the actions. No one else will be able to see them. The way he walks, where he sways his

843
01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:00,680
hands behind his body. If you ever notice how he walks, doesn't walk arms going backwards

844
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:07,080
and forwards. They go from left to right behind him. Yeah. They go behind him left to right.

845
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:15,200
And that never changes for all five seasons. It's exactly the same. He's, yeah, very, so

846
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well acted. He's so good. But that's the episode. Let's final thoughts.

847
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Transpure complete.

848
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As I said at the beginning, I had memories of actually hating this episode. Or really,

849
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:44,440
I think it's just I didn't like season two. The more I'm thinking about it, I think actually

850
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:51,640
it's more the conclusion of season two that I hate. Like really dislike, which it then

851
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:57,120
leads on to season three, which is diabolical in my opinion.

852
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,480
So which is season three? Is that the one they finally go into the future for the first

853
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time?

854
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:02,480
That's in the future for the first time.

855
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:08,800
Okay. So I will say the only other bit of season two that I remember that I really liked,

856
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:16,600
and I would say I really liked, but looked cool, I guess, is the giant battle scene that

857
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Discovery and Enterprise end up in.

858
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:19,240
I don't remember it.

859
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,040
Or is that the end of the first season then?

860
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,040
Who knows?

861
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:28,040
How does the end of the first season? All I know is there's this big one and the end

862
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:34,720
to it must be the end of season one then because the Enterprise, no, I don't know. Either way,

863
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:40,880
it must be the end of season two because the Enterprise goes away knowing that Discovery

864
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,200
is time traveled and then we know strange new worlds, they're not allowed to talk about

865
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:49,660
it. But the end of season two, there's this massive fight between the Enterprise, Discovery

866
01:04:49,660 --> 01:04:54,440
and whatever the alien race is that's trying to stop them do what they're trying to do.

867
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,760
And it looks brilliant.

868
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,960
One thing I'll say I do like is when they go to the other, what do they call the other

869
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,800
dimension? The mirror universe where Michelle Yeoh is.

870
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,360
Oh, that's quite a good episode as well.

871
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:08,360
Is it Michelle Yeoh?

872
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:09,360
Yes.

873
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:10,360
I love her character.

874
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:15,680
That was quite a good episode as well. And again, mainly because it was very Hollywood

875
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:23,760
in action where they're flying into kind of the alternate universe ship to destroy whatever

876
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,640
it is they have to destroy and then fly back out.

877
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,400
There's no denying that that doesn't have budget. There's not been a budget problem

878
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:37,080
that I can tell certainly on the CGI perspective. The set design is very good. But yeah, this

879
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:41,440
episode, yeah, actually is a good one.

880
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:42,440
Yeah.

881
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:47,920
So I take back saying privately to you guys how much I was, how much I didn't like it

882
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:55,600
because I clearly didn't remember it correctly. I enjoyed it. I, the action scenes I enjoyed.

883
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,160
Pike is brilliant in it and I would go on about more time, but he is just fucking good.

884
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,120
He is a brilliant, brilliant character.

885
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,720
What's the actor? I follow him on Twitter actually.

886
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:09,880
I do. And I've annoyingly, I've closed IMDB so I'm not going to dig into it too much,

887
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:16,880
but he's brilliant. And it's the battle against control is the end of it.

888
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:27,400
Yeah. Anson Mount. His place, Pike. Yeah. So I would say it was a good one. If you didn't

889
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:32,640
watch it, do go watch it because it is actually quite a fun episode and you do get to see

890
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:33,640
Pike.

891
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:39,720
It's one of the stronger episodes of the first couple of series.

892
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,280
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And you enjoyed it too.

893
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,800
A hundred percent. I did actually enjoy that. I dreaded watching it and I came away quite

894
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:49,800
happy.

895
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:50,800
We recommend.

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We do.

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There you go.

909
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:45,960
Thanks, Wayne.

910
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:46,960
I'm so rehearsed in saying that.

911
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,920
Because you have to say it every time.

912
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,480
To be fair, what we should probably do is just record it and then have it as a copy

913
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:55,680
and paste every episode.

914
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:00,480
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, definitely. We should just do that. More Shitshow coming. I've actually

915
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:07,880
started writing it. It will be the last episode, unless there's any shorts that we think of

916
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,200
before the Christmas special.

917
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,160
I am very much looking forward to our Christmas special.

918
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:17,440
Because the Christmas special is big. If we get to do what we want to do, it's going to

919
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:25,560
take a lot of thinking to do it. So I need time to do it. And hopefully I'll get a Trek

920
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,240
Roulette in before then too.

921
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:29,240
Okay.

922
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,040
Because again, they take a long time to edit.

923
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,800
Fair enough. Well, I know we've done a lot of questions and a lot of random episodes

924
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:43,480
and the Trek Roulette, by the way, I've listened to that episode twice now. And I know it's

925
01:08:43,480 --> 01:08:47,000
my own stuff, but I love it. It's so much fun.

926
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,000
I think it's really good fun.

927
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:53,200
So I'm looking forward to doing that again soon with someone else, hopefully. I'd like

928
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,200
to recommend an episode though for the next episode, if that's okay.

929
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,520
I would like us to watch a Deep Space Nine episode. Because I've been waiting to get

930
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,760
you on Deep Space Nine. And we're actually going to go early. We're going season one

931
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:05,760
episode 19.

932
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:10,400
Season one. I'm writing this down. Episode 19.

933
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,120
And it's called Duet.

934
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:13,120
Duet.

935
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:20,960
And it's probably, in my opinion, one of the strongest of all the episodes of Deep Space

936
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:21,960
Nine.

937
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:22,960
Of Deep Space Nine.

938
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:28,280
Yeah. To give you a brief idea, the little blurb here is a Cardassian suffering from

939
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:37,320
Kulonora, a disease that indicates he served in a labour camp, visits Deep Space Nine. Kira is determined to convict him as a war criminal.

940
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,360
Oh, we pick fun ones, don't we?

941
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:45,440
Oh, it's, I can tell you that. It's not a fun one. But I've got to say it is genuinely

942
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:52,600
one of the best episodes out of all of Star Trek. It's not just beautifully written. It's

943
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:58,520
beautifully acted. It's incredibly deep. It's incredibly thought provoking. And without

944
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:04,000
putting too many spoilers, I mean, I'm looking at, the IMDB rating is nine out of 10. And

945
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:11,240
that is a rare thing to see on IMDB. But to spoil it too much, it's basically a mirror

946
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,560
of World War II war crimes and the Jewish Holocaust.

947
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:16,880
Oh, fuck me.

948
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:21,960
I know it's deep, but trust me, it is, when you watch it, you're going to come back and

949
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:27,440
look. I know I went, oh my God. But wow, you are going to say that.

950
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:34,400
Look, if we can make Klingon suicide funny, we can make Holocaust and war crimes funny.

951
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See you later, everybody. Love you. We're ending it here. Say it. Say it so I can best

952
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:46,160
remember.

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