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Ensign's log, stardate 26239.4. The captains assigned me a very special mission. Find out where the moisture goes from holodeck simulations.
I did ask engineering but they told me to piss off. Guess I'm on my own with this one.
The
I think I caught the burp. I didn't get the la la la of it but I caught the burp.
I don't even know the words I'm just making up now.
Robin Williams is a really good one I'll add.
He does it, it's really fun to do.
Hello everybody.
Hello everyone.
I don't cut any stuff out.
No you don't.
Welcome to the Untitled Trek Show.
Hi.
This is actually number one science fiction indie podcast on Goodpods previously.
Goodpods are doing us well.
They are looking after us thanks to our fans leaving great reviews.
I say Goodpods aren't really doing the looking after, it's the fans going and, I say listeners
rather than fans, listeners going and reviewing and commenting.
That's true but Goodpods has actually created quite a good idea.
A community based podcast player.
A brilliant idea.
It's a really good idea, yeah.
Just needs a little bit more polish.
I don't know what the iPhone app's like but the Android one certainly needs a bit of more
work.
But they are very good at fixing the things when you tell them.
Oh yeah, I mean the iPhone one, iPhone?
iPhone?
Sorry, I come from somewhere in Europe.
iPhone.
iPhone one has been pretty good.
It did use to have a few bugs.
It was pretty slow.
It's a little bit slow now I would say.
But otherwise it's pretty solid.
Just waiting on CarPlay.
That's the big thing I'm waiting on because then I can move to it.
Because I listen to so many podcasts in the car, if I don't have CarPlay I'd have to fiddle
around with the phone which is obviously illegal in the UK so I can't use it.
Yeah, if I'm using Spotify I can press the skip buttons on the radio and it will skip
ahead a certain time.
It doesn't work.
I don't know what it's like if you're using your headphones and the buttons on them because
I never use them.
I only do the double tap pause.
That does work.
Oh fair enough.
But that should just trigger the phone now.
Again we're not going into Android versus iPhone because that's nothing to do with this
podcast.
Neither of us care.
But the one thing that iPhone does do is the majority of all the music players or podcast
players are forced to use Apple's APIs and stuff for music.
So when you go into now playing it will show you whatever's playing and it will take you
to the app that's playing.
In effect it's basically using the same start, play, fast forward, rewind buttons and you
can bring in a few extras that other apps might not use.
So no matter what you're controlling it via it works.
Is it almost just like putting a different skin over Windows Media Player?
In effect yeah.
I mean for the programmers out there you basically download the developer kit and it's just like
right well I'm going to use a music player and Apple provides you all the music player
functionality that you just drag and drop the new code to do what you want but it's
still using their base code basically.
That's a really good idea though.
But then they're that eco stick.
It means that you're stuck within the Apple infrastructure and their ecosystem whereas
Android I'm pretty sure if you wanted to develop a fully pledged music player on your own for
Android you probably could.
I'm sure Google do provide the ability like Apple do but if you wanted to ignore them
just do it straight up yourself you can probably also do that.
That's just what it is.
But anyway we're rambling a lot about it.
Not having to do a sci-fi or a Star Trek.
So as always any sci-fi in the last fortnight?
Other than Helldivers 2.
Which is actually sci-fi.
Yes.
I've watched another episode of Twisted Metal which I'm still really enjoying.
The level of comedy and action and thriller that they've kind of fit into it works really
well.
I'm genuinely surprised as I put it on thinking I think this is going to be a bit crap.
I can't see how you're going to make Twisted Metal into a TV show but they've managed it
and I hear that they've also done Fallout justice.
I'm two episodes into Fallout and it's very good.
Well all I'm seeing is rave reviews for it at the moment.
So that's been added to my list to watch after I finish Twisted Metal.
So I'm going to add that on but otherwise exciting news I finally after four failed
tickets have seen Godzilla X Kong.
Yay!
Is it the new Empire or something like that?
Yeah I've finally seen the new one.
And?
Loved it.
I love all the new Godzilla stuff.
Since the 2014 first film and then you've got Godzilla King of the Monsters, then you've
got Godzilla vs Kong, now you've got this one.
Love them all.
There's one that I didn't particularly enjoy but I will go back and give it another chance
because I didn't really watch it properly.
We were around a friend's house when I was watching it and we were just chatting more
than anything.
It was Kong Skull Island.
I don't know if I've watched that.
I've watched a Godzilla film that had Millie Bobby Brown in it.
Yep so that is King of Monsters.
Okay so I think I've seen that.
I think I've seen that.
Yes.
They're just I think they're all really good.
They do Godzilla beautifully.
I mean the styling of the films, how it looks, the sound, everything I just think is really
good and I think the stories are pretty good.
Bryan Cranston, is he in Millie Bobby Brown 1 too?
He's in the first one.
Okay so I've seen that and I've seen Millie Bobby Brown 1.
So yes, Godzilla 2014 is Bryan Cranston's story.
His wife gets killed.
He's trying to uncover what they're really doing at this nuclear accident which turns
out to be Godzilla.
He finally dies and it's about his son trying to get home and stop Godzilla etc.
Then you've got King of Monsters which is Godzilla versus a handful of other monsters,
Titans, shouldn't you call them monsters, Titans by their title start appearing and
Godzilla beats them all down and that's the Millie Bobby Brown 1 and it ends in the football
stadium.
Again, really good.
Is that a sequel?
Yes, that's the sequel to the first one.
Then the third sequel I'm guessing should technically be Skull Island because it's about
the discovery of Skull Island.
Well yes, it would be.
So it's about the discovery of Skull Island, the discovery of Kong, the discovery of the
little deaf girl who's part of the Iwi tribe and she's the last survivor.
Then you get to Godzilla versus Kong which was surprisingly good.
I don't think I've seen that.
It's got Mechagodzilla in it which is a brilliant addition.
I was not expecting that.
Just thinking it's going to be Kong versus Godzilla, big punch up and then Mechagodzilla
rolls out.
That's pretty cool.
And do they then fight him?
Yeah.
Then this final one, it's almost the Kong equivalent of the new Planet of the Apes films.
So there's the whole, without going into too much depth and too many spoilers, Hollow Earth
is now known about by the entire world.
So it turns out the earth is hollow and on the inside of the earth is this pretty much
untouched, beautiful land of monsters that man has never set foot in.
How does it get light?
Yeah.
Let's not even go there.
I'm sure it does explain it and I can't remember.
But we basically go back there, Kong is there because that's where he chooses to live.
And then oopsie daisy, some evil big monkeys manage to escape their prison that Godzilla
trapped them in.
They also discover the Iwi tribe are actually on the Hollow Earth hidden away in plain sight.
And then basically Kong has to go and get Godzilla to help him come and beat up the
bad monkeys and trap them all and stop them from wanting to come and destroy them.
The whole story is that the bad monkeys were locked away by Godzilla many years ago.
They are enraged by this because the reason they were trapped away was because they want
to take over the surface.
So when you say look them away, he just closed the hole up.
He basically trapped them in a kind of lava filled horrible cave system and that was it.
I'm just trying to think, remember what they said.
Basically Kong is the protector, I think Kong was meant to be the protector of nature and
Godzilla was the protector of the overworld.
Or vice versa anyway.
And either way, I've made it sound really boring.
There's a lot of information for two monsters fighting.
Yeah, well it's not two monsters fighting which is really not.
And you know what the whole Godzilla does, turns up at the beginning of the film but
doesn't really turn up much until towards the end when we get the big fight scenes which
Godzilla films just always do really well.
But there is one that actually I might watch with you at some point, I've literally put
it on Amazon and it came up on my TikTok.
TikTok seems to show me some random things, some of them I really don't want to see, other
ones I really want to see and it's called Shin Godzilla.
And it will be a completely subtitled film but it's a 2016 film of the origin of Godzilla.
So this weird mass comes out of the ocean and it shows him evolving through the stages
to the Godzilla we know.
And it looks really dark and twisted and it looks really well done as well.
And for six quid on Amazon I thought you know that's worth a punt.
Yeah.
What have I done?
Hell divers.
Two obviously.
Fallout.
Yeah.
And I've watched some Discovery.
Oh yes Discovery is back.
Discovery is back and it's good so far.
Nice.
I know I'm doing it in a funny voice, there's no caveat to that.
It's extremely cinematic that first episode, it's like watching a film.
Right.
Just so much action.
But you know what that's kind of what, if you told me or asked me sorry to say what
did you think the style of Discovery was, is it more TV episode, is it more film?
I would say everything I've watched has been more film like.
Yeah.
If I was going to take Strange New Worlds and say Discovery, Strange New Worlds feels
like what Star Trek is, episodic, next gen, that kind of stuff but just you know.
Back to the beginning almost.
Yeah we're going episodic.
We've got a couple of storylines that are ongoing but on the most part each episode
is just a new day in the world of the Enterprise.
Whereas Discovery is very much a streaming service idea of what Star Trek is.
Because Netflix started it didn't they?
Yeah.
Or it was on Netflix.
Yeah so Paramount created it but it first originated on Netflix because Paramount Plus
didn't exist at that point.
But you can tell.
Right.
Just staring at the machine.
I know just making sure it is actually recording.
It's recording the red numbers are going up.
Yeah sorry I'm so used to having it in front of me and I was looking at it and I'm sure
the screen changes and I can see the red dot now so don't worry.
Really feeling full of panic.
So yeah it feels because every episode literally Lisa next, Lisa next, Lisa next and yeah it
does have you know episode, episode so it does kind of solidify a story in each one
but it's driven by the overall story.
Yeah so each season it's its own dedicated storyline isn't it really.
Whether it's the initial Klingon war that they're going on about through to like you
say with this season and is it the progenitors?
Yes I text you didn't I?
You did text me yes but it's not ruining it for me because I again maintain I don't really
care about discoveries.
Not that I'm going to say I hate it because that's an unfair thing to say and I need to
give it more of a chance but it's just more I don't really mind knowing spoilers for it.
From my perspective of it it's a shame in my opinion it took four seasons to get to
what I was called quite uncalled good.
Right.
I really had to force the third series down me.
I had no interest in watching it at all and my wife was like let's watch it please because
she really liked it.
Okay.
I just stuck with it and I'm glad I did because I really think season four is so good.
But you know what it's we've said it before it's turf we've already treaded many times
before.
Treaded?
Tread many times before.
And that is discovery will be some one Star Trek just like episode one Star Wars was someone
Star Wars.
Mine.
Rogue one was someone Star Wars.
That is the truth about it really.
It might not be made for traditional Trek heads they may enjoy it but on the most part
it's been designed for a new market to try and keep the Star Trek name going.
Yeah.
And in which case your wife is a prime example.
I know she loved Star Trek anyway or she enjoyed Star Trek but the fact that she enjoyed all
the seasons of it shows that it was made more towards her than you and it's taken you that
much longer to get into it because of how it has been.
That's not a negative that's just saying different markets exist.
Different people are out there and you can't just attune one series or one show to one
type of person.
Because you'll never have any movement you'll never have any new fans or old fans because
it'll get sterile it'll get boring and see you later.
And there are a lot of people out there that don't want Lower Decks to end.
Bastards.
Entrance log.
Star date 28544.2.
Maybe I need to find out where the moisture comes from to find out where it goes.
Engineering still aren't returning my calls.
Entrance log.
Star date 29935.6.
Working theories where the moisture comes from.
A. It's hydrogen collected from space and liquefied through science in the ship.
Or B. The replicator makes the water.
Still not sure where the moisture goes.
After my testing I was able to spray water pistols, water bombs and buckets of water
through the arch.
And my clothes stayed wet going through the arch.
And they left moisture all up the floor as I left the arch and out of the holodeck.
Make-divines weren't entirely happy but I still think it was a very very important experiment
and I'm sure the captain would agree.
Accessing library computer data.
The Next Generation Season 5 Episode 16 Ethics.
Ethics.
So before we get so crazy into it, did you like it?
First of all, it's a pretty dark episode.
As much as Star Trek is dark I guess, the whole idea of it being around a cultural choice
and because of an injury wanting to die, mixed with the side story of I'm a doctor but by
the way I'm also just testing all of my theories on live patients without real permission,
makes it just a little bit darker than most Star Trek episodes are of that era.
So I mean we haven't got to Deep Space Nine yet, Deep Space Nine has some very dark stuff.
For TNG this is probably one of the darker episodes.
I like it.
I liked it.
I really enjoy Ethics as an episode and it goes hand in hand with what I tell people
is Season 5 is probably one of the best seasons of The Next Generation.
Yeah, when I was going through it, because I couldn't remember what season or episode
number it was but I remembered it was called Ethics, so I just literally went to the first
episode on the Paramount app on the Apple TV and just made my way through and saw the
little pictures of every single one all the way up to then.
By the time we got to Season 4 and 5 they looked really like the graphics of the pictures
looked really good.
Don't forget though what we're watching is the remastered versions.
And you can tell because I'm making it.
All the screens have been redone, the outside, the panics have all been redone.
You can tell in this episode.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, there's a couple of moments but we'll get to that.
So essentially, just to summarise what happens in this episode, there is an accident and
the lightest barrel you've ever seen in the world manages to crush the security man, Worf.
Probably the biggest pussy on the rocket enterprise.
You can't call him Worf.
Yes you can.
Yeah, to be fair.
He waves his torpedo around but as soon as he hasn't got his torpedo to hand, he just
gets beaten up.
And so he becomes paralysed and part of their culture, I've written down what it's called
but we'll get there, is that when they're not useful to their family or they can't fight
whatever, they have to kill themselves.
And it needs to be a family member that does it.
So not really killing themselves, we're actually getting a family member to kill them.
But it's all about him trying to get people to kill him and then another doctor comes
on the spaceship and she's like a researcher and she has this newfangled way.
Well she's a neuro specialist.
So she specialises in neurological and neuro based injuries.
So spinal cord, brain injuries, stroke, you name it, those sort of injuries.
And she wants to fix him.
We'll get into the rest of it but that's basically the summary of what it is.
Yeah, 100%.
So it has a really unfortunate start in that they start talking about fucking poker.
Oh I know.
So first of all, Troy is crepit bluffing, well that doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Even though she's the one that's basically reading everyone's mind going he's happy,
he's happy, he's happy, that means I've got a good hand, I won't play this hand.
And also, as we said, Geordie would be doing, he cheats.
Right, okay look, if you've never played poker, you won't understand this.
But even if you've played friendly games of poker with your friends, like we have, we
had Poker Night, we used to love, we've got to have another Poker Night at some point,
just not Star Trek based.
No.
But there is a, I guess you'd call it a gentleman's rule there, if everyone basically checks out
and goes nope, I'm not going to carry on, and you take the hand, you're not expected
to show your cards.
You do not have to.
It's your choice and if you choose not to, that's fine.
You can be arsed too.
Because yeah, you can be arsed.
You can still say no.
But unless someone matches your bet, you've got no need to show.
And that's just the gentleman's rule and it means that no one can say were you bluffing,
weren't you bluffing, who knows.
Yet, there you go, Geordie, oh, only peek after the hand is finished.
It's a really shitty thing to do.
And he blames Worf for not bringing the cards.
For not bringing cards that aren't susceptible to infrared light.
What a jerk.
Okay, guess what, Geordie, I've got 52 cards.
They're about one metre long now because they're made out of solid titanium.
Fuck you.
Yeah, what a knob.
It's really shitty.
Yeah.
Really shitty.
Why did a barrel land on him?
He's dead.
No, he would have brushed it off.
Worf's the person you remember.
Oh, don't.
And that hit, oh, no, a light plastic barrel has bounced off Worf.
The thing is, I'm very familiar with that particular kind of bat.
It's basically a water butt.
They're not heavy.
They're designed for shipping.
So you can put dry goods in them or you can put liquids in them.
But they're designed for you just to pack them, seal them and send them off to a shipping
agent.
It's probably full of something because you see it kind of, I think it's acting like it's
pressurised with something because when it's all coming out, you can see it disforming
with the weight of the one above it.
So I get what they're going for.
It's meant whatever the chemical is that they say, oh, we've got a dangerous leak.
We don't know what's going on.
But then there's something about watching people pretend that it's heavy when they try
and move it away, which unsold its heaviness to me.
Yeah, it just didn't work with them.
We have seen it before.
We've seen Riker and Co lifting girdle soft people.
And on the most part, they don't do a bad job at making it look heavy.
It's when they throw it and it bounces or the polystyrene surroundings that fall on
them bounce that it gives it away.
But in this one, it's just so hammed up and overdone.
It's just, it didn't work.
It needed like a sound effect or it needed something.
Boing! Because they weren't selling the weight of it.
The Geordie and whoever the other dude was that was driving it.
There's not.
And honestly, they should have cut it when it hit him.
Not hit him, bounces off and then cut.
That little extra second earlier would have sold it way more.
Now after that bit, we're then in like the medical bay.
Now at this point in time in technology, they can rebuild hearts.
Picard has a fake heart.
He has a, yep, he has a robotic heart.
Now that's complicated.
Absolutely.
Could they not fix this dude's back?
So talking about modern medicine as we are now.
So don't forget artificial hearts exist right now.
There are people that have lived in hospitals and I've gotten one the longest.
I think it was over a year, the longest someone survived with just an artificial heart with
no other heart in their chest.
Basically it's a pump and the tubes led out to a box that circulated the blood and it
had a battery and they could walk around, do normal day to day activities with this
saddle bag on basically and that's an artificial heart.
So it exists.
The problem is with the spinal cord is it is a bundle of million, well thousands of
nerves.
And as kind of Beverly and Dr. Russell, who we later introduced to say, it's surely the
genotropic thing that Russell wants to do is better than just trying to stick nerves
back together.
And that's exactly where we are at the moment.
So in current kind of technologies term, what we have is a very special kind of nerve glue
and that's what there's a weird Russian scientist and a Russian paralysed man who's dedicated
his body and his head to science saying, as soon as another body comes up, I'm willing
to let you do a head transplant.
It's ridiculous.
But basically the idea is, is they need, they use the world's sharpest knife to sever, sever
even the spinal column and it's got to be the most perfect cut.
And then they use this glue to basically stick it back together.
And in theory, the glue allows the conductivity between the cut nerves, but that's where we
are at the moment.
So you think that many time years in the future, we would have got better at that.
Do they keep his head alive?
You know what?
There's all sorts of things you could say there.
Um, yes, you could.
And there's videos for black and white videos from kind of world war two era of rats, heads
being kept alive with blood being pumped to them externally.
Because if you think about it, the brain requires oxygen and blood.
That is it really.
So as long as the artery in the vein is doing the send and receive and the blood it's receiving
is oxygenated, the brain will stay alive.
It's more the shock of what's happened.
That's probably going to cause damage and kill it.
So you, you, how would you overcome that?
You can't.
And, uh, coming back to then the future, yeah, you would have thought they may have improved
on what we already have, but it doesn't seem that they have, has it?
It's very much, we'll just plug some things into you and anyway, we'll get to that.
We're ahead of the game.
What I didn't like and it's unusual for Trek, because normally it's much more accepting
of things, but I've just got Beverly really shitty with the customs of Klingons at this
point because her words are, Oh, he's just grumpy.
No, he's not grumpy.
He's paralyzed and he wants to die because that's his customs of his race.
You're just saying, Oh, he's grumpy.
No, he's paralyzed and expecting to die shortly because of that's what he wants.
But even if he wasn't a Klingon and was a human, I'd be grumpy too.
Really bad bedside man.
I love it.
Not good.
It really pissed me off that bit.
I said, I know I don't like that at all.
And then of course, then you've got, um, the ship's log.
The wharf has been put on, um, has been taken off active duty.
Yeah.
So I've got here, well, we've said it before.
HR is needed on the enterprise.
Disability awareness.
Anyone wharf's not allowed to work.
What?
They can't get an electric wheelchair.
Yeah.
They can't make, make changes for him, you know, lower his console so he can still fire
torpedoes.
Yeah.
So I mean, that was, so we've had the intro, which looked brilliant as always.
Yeah.
And then, yeah, Dr. Russell appears.
Yeah.
It's first meeting of Dr. Russell, isn't it?
So that's no.
So before Russell agree, uh, arrive, sorry, we've got Riker.
So he's called it.
It goes, it goes intro, then Dr. Russell and then Riker.
Sorry.
Yeah.
So yeah, Dr. Russell now, now Riker.
Yeah.
So we're introduced to Dr. Russell and it's, Oh, hello.
Thank you, I'm the neuro specialist.
So why is Dr. Russell there in your opinion?
I think that she's only come there to see war.
I thought that was the point.
Remember that because that's exactly what I'm assuming.
It makes sense.
She's the specialist neuroscientist in health dedicated to neuro injury.
I thought they asked her to come.
I thought that was the point.
Exactly.
Fine.
Okay.
Keep that in mind for after we talk about the next bit with Riker.
Okay.
One of the things that she says is they haven't done any new research.
That comes next.
That comes after the Riker.
I've written that before Riker.
Oh, because I wrote it in the order of, oh, maybe I've got it in the wrong order.
And then it says normally they let the patient die.
She says, is this the bit that they talk about the Klingon anatomy?
And I've never seen so many redundant systems before or backup systems or is that after
Riker on yours?
That's after Riker.
Okay.
No, you're right.
So yes, they come in.
Beverly says, I've tried to speak to the Klingon health council and whatever.
And they say, normally we just let the person die.
Yeah.
Which again, Bev, you were really shitty earlier.
Even the Klingons have said, we just let them die because...
That's what you and I said in the last episode.
Yeah.
Wasn't it?
That they're just, we're going to talk about the spaceship, the Klingon's spaceship.
So just let them die.
Exactly.
So you're going to be a doctor serving a multi race on your ship.
Surely the Hippocratic oath, which we discussed in the last episode, should include the rights
and the customs of your patient of whatever race they are.
So if you're not going to follow the Klingon race's wishes, should you be treating them
in the first place?
And we know it exists there, don't we?
We do.
And then the Riker appears leaning on a piece of equipment with the symbol on it.
How do you pronounce it?
Cadacus?
Cadacaus symbol?
Yeah.
The Cadessius symbol.
Yeah.
Yes.
Which I have tattooed on my arm.
The sword and two snakes.
Is that what it is?
A sword and two snakes.
It's a staff.
Staff and two snakes.
Staff, two snakes and normally wings.
Yeah.
So we know that they are still using that.
Precisely.
So if you're going to use that, then you're following that.
So yeah.
Do you notice how shit that room was?
To be in for three days.
I want to know what the pink and blue gel was.
Oh yeah.
Because that's in every room.
Every room in Medi-Bay, there's blue gel, pink gel, blue gel, pink gel.
It's the same gel you get in the haircut.
It's probably in the bloody hairdressers one, isn't it?
They didn't have the room.
So they've just put them in style in St Albans.
Yeah, where's the TV they put your credit card in?
There's nothing in there.
No, exactly.
What are you going to do there?
You're paralysed.
You're laying there.
You've got to put...
Beth being shitty.
What else are you going to do?
Why is that going to go over the heads of the Americans that listen to this?
In the UK hospitals, you can get a television and you have to put your credit card in.
I'm sure US hospitals have that as well.
The same kind of thing.
I would have thought so.
The amount that poor Americans have to pay, they probably don't get televisions.
I bet they do.
On a ward, I bet you do because then it gets charged you insurance.
Yeah, I guess so.
Well, either way, you're right.
There's no entertainment.
But saying that, if you were to watch the entirety of The Next Generation, you would
assume the only entertainment available to them is Data playing violin, reading poetry
or Riker on the trombone in 10 Forward.
That's all it seems to ever be.
No one ever goes, no, I'm just going to go back to my quarters.
I'm going to watch something on the view screen and get an early night.
You don't get any of that.
Oh, Picard listens to music, sorry, in his quarters.
Going to go watch EastEnders.
Does that still be going, won't it?
Yeah, it will still be as miserable as ever.
Kat Slater is back for the 300th time.
Yeah, Kat Slater.
It's just her head in a jar like in Futurama.
There in Alfie Moon at the pub.
The ceremony is called Hekbar.
Ah, the headbutt.
Yeah, Hekbar.
Hekbar.
Hekbar ceremony.
Yeah.
And you know what?
I actually fully understand Riker's position on this.
And I like what they do with this part of the story, with him being challenged about
his feelings towards doing it.
Because I don't think anyone should have, if it's not being against someone's culture
not to do something that you don't agree with.
So for example, if I didn't agree with, oh, what could we say?
What's the type of meat that...
Halal.
If I didn't agree with halal meat and someone said, oh, have a kebab, it's halal.
I wouldn't feel bad about saying, I don't agree with halal, so I won't have it.
Thank you very much for offering though, but I'm not going to.
Now obviously I'm not against halal.
Meat is meat.
It's delicious.
I love a kebab.
But there is nothing wrong with someone saying, I don't agree with it, so I'm not going to
participate.
There's something wrong with you saying, I don't agree with it and I think you're a horrible
person and I wish you would die because of it.
That's a completely different thing.
And what we get here is Riker basically saying, I don't agree with your culture here, Worf.
I'm your friend.
I want you to see, I will be sad if you die.
I don't think I can do this.
It's like he needs to, like Riker I think should be a little bit more understanding to Worf,
but then Worf should accept Riker's position on it because Worf knows that Riker is a human
and this is not his culture.
And from Riker's point of view, he'd be murdering his friend.
And you would think Worf would understand that more being brought up by human parents.
You'd think he'd understand more about the human culture and the human sensitivities
to something like euthanasia.
But he doesn't.
He's being stoic and typical blunt Klingon, I guess.
But yeah, I kind of understand Riker's position on this one.
And when later when he's seeing Picard, we'll talk about it when we get there.
Not sure I liked that bit much.
I was back and forward with who I agreed with throughout the episode, based on how they
spoke about it and how they reacted to each other.
Yeah, I mean, just throwing it out there, and I know this is meant to be a fun comedy
podcast, but it's okay to have a differing opinion on things.
And for example, for me, euthanasia, I think it should be legalized.
Not wanting to get political or anything like that.
But for me as a person, I think if you're compos mentis, you're dying of something fairly
horrendous and you want to say, I want to end it while I'm comfortable and able to do
so.
I don't think that's that's a bad thing.
I think that should be absolutely allowed.
I don't agree with people saying, oh, but if you allow euthanasia, then random people
are just going to say, well, I want to die.
So I'll go and do it.
No, that's a completely different matter.
And that's the story we're getting here, aren't we?
Should wharf be entitled to euthanasia based on his culture and what his race would do?
Now, absolutely, he should.
But his former euthanasia is having somebody else kill him, which is not the same.
It becomes a very sticky situation.
And that's my point.
It's okay to have a differing opinion on something, especially when you can actually put an argument
in place to explain why.
But in this case, yes, wharf is entitled to euthanasia.
He's not entitled to make someone that's a different race, a completely different culture
to take a dagger and shove it through his heart.
I think it's one of those things where his brain is still there, but he's not physically
able to do it himself.
Again, I would disagree with that.
His arms are working.
What does that mean?
But by culture, it says he has to have someone else do it for him.
That's the difference.
Otherwise, it's suicide and many cultures see suicide or not even cultures see suicide
as cowardly.
We're not even going to get into that one because it is bullshit.
But you could go down a whole discussion point on that and that's for another day, another
whole different thing.
That is someone else's podcast.
Yeah, exactly.
So we're now looking at Dr. Russell and Troy looking at a really great CGI floating spinal
cord.
Beverly you mean?
Beverly.
What did I say?
Troy.
But no, you're right.
Sorry, I'm really horrible about Troy.
I just said fuck that.
I didn't mean it.
Sorry.
That really angered me in this episode.
And out of all the episodes, this is the bit that I hated the most with it being written
in it existing.
There's parts in the episode I don't like, i.e. I don't like that some of the dark side
of what Russell is doing, but that's not I don't like the episode.
It makes me feel ick because of what she is doing.
That's fine.
That's different.
I don't like how they wrote this.
She's there.
Oh, I've never seen this before.
And they're looking at the diagrams and everything and saying about, look at all the redundant
systems and so on.
It's almost as if it's the first time she's even bothered to look at Klingon anatomy.
So yeah, you've been called specifically to come and deal with the Klingon.
Would you not do pre reading at this point?
Yeah, you'd think they'd know this.
How many Klingons?
They've had wars with them.
Did they not take any of their bodies and just die?
Well, poke at them a little bit and have a look.
Well, no, but you'd think if you've got a Klingon in your service, you should have as
much medical knowledge as you are.
It's almost like Russell arrives on the ship with no real knowledge and she's like expecting
to be able to walk her through the systems that exist.
Now the redundancy has a name and it is a Bracklow.
Oh, Bracklow.
Every vital function has a built in redundancy.
Now then.
Nice.
I didn't catch that.
I have written down the extra things that they have because she says what they are.
Oh, right.
Okay.
Oh, go on.
What would you do if I said no?
Shall we play a game?
How many ribs has a Klingon got TJ?
26.
27.
Oh, no, just a bit less.
Oh, was it?
23.
Oh, shit.
Was it an odd number too?
Because I would imagine they've probably gone with the whole religious aspect that lots
of people believe that men have an uneven number of ribs compared to women because of
Adam's rib was removed to make a woman.
We have the same number of ribs.
Then again though, wasn't he quite, was he religious though?
I don't know actually.
I don't know.
I'm not going to answer that one.
How many livers?
Two.
Yay.
How many chambers in his heart?
Eight.
Yay.
You did remember.
So you were missing.
Yeah, there are some things I was paying attention to.
He has a double lined neuro-pia-mata.
What is that?
It's the lining on the outside of the brain.
Right.
It's double lined.
Which basically, so you've got the skull but then you've got various layers of tissue between
the fluid that protects your brain and the brain itself.
For example, you couldn't just get a buzz saw, cut the top of someone's skull open like
you do in films and just see brain.
That's not true.
You'd lift the skull cap off and then you'd have a layer of tissue that you'd have to
then cut through and reveal and there's the brain.
They do that in Hannibal.
He removes the tissue out of it.
There we go.
So he's been double bagged.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
For the rest of us.
Worse brain is double bagged.
We get lots of Star Trek stuff happens.
Loads of Trek talk.
It's brilliant.
Yeah.
Genetronic replicator.
What a great name.
Genetronic is a great word.
Great, great word.
Now, I would say, she says, oh, in our kind of hollow tests, it's been 37%.
I know.
Even that is a shit.
It reminded me so much of when Kim said, we'll give it a try with the transporter.
100%.
Again, as much as I don't like how Russell goes about things, she's kind of also right,
isn't she?
Yeah.
It does have to eventually be attempted on a person.
Yeah.
But I get, where do you draw the line?
If after, let's say, 1000 tests, you've still only scored a maximum of 37%, do you just say,
it's just not a...
It's just not there.
It's just not something that's ever going to work, therefore, no.
Or do you say, there's a fundamental problem with it being the hologram, as in the human
body or a humanoid body is always going to be ever so slightly different that a computer
cannot replicate, so we have to try it on a real person just to show that actually,
yeah, the hologram's right, it failed, we definitely won't try it again.
So you're kind of stuck in that point.
I kind of get that, yes, she's partly right.
She just needs to get out of her own head and stop being so fixated on the way she's
doing it and look at, what am I actually doing wrong?
There could just be something that's not right.
But why is there all this urgency about it?
I know, obviously, Worf wants to kill himself, but they've immediately contacted Starfleet,
they've immediately sent out Dr. Russell, but if I was Dr. Russell, I'd say, I'll be
there, but I want you to send me over all of Worf's medical logs, I want you to scan
his body completely, put him through the transport and bring him back, let's say.
That'll probably fix it for him.
Look, we've got the old spinal cord on record, we'll just scan that.
Oh yeah, it's like you with a buffer, saving everyone's backup.
Exactly, but yeah, what you would do is you'd send all that data over, so then Dr. Ruskin
would say, right, scrub the hologram, the hollow sweet stuff we've been doing, we've now got
a new test subject data and bring that in, because all the test subjects she's been doing
it on have just been humans, yet she's expecting it to translate to Klingon, which why?
Why will it?
There's no guarantee there.
It's like saying, I know how to remove the spleen of a dog, so I'm going to wing it, hoping
that it's pretty much the same for a cat.
No, the likelihood is it probably will be, but you still wouldn't risk it.
You'd still do the research into it first before you would say, let's try implementing
it.
I know it's for the episode, I know they have to do it because you couldn't just say, well
off's now paralyzed for 10 episodes and then we'll bring Dr. Russell back.
I understand that, but it doesn't sit right, does it, that you basically say, we brought
them in, they want to try this brand new thing that's never been tested or works, but we've
only ever tested it on human.
It's just, yeah.
Yeah.
She was woefully unprepared, wasn't she?
Absolutely.
100% woefully unprepared.
Yeah, didn't turn up with the pre-reading.
I was surprised she even knew what a Klingon was by how she fucking is.
Then we cut to the ready room and Vryka is angry.
No, no, we get the bridge first because they call the Beverly to the bridge, Beverly.
I was like, she's leaning against the door frame when the door opens.
And Picard basically says transporter has been hit by a gravimetric mine left over from
the Kardashian war.
That was damn Kardashian.
Sorry, Kardashian.
I know I'm ripping the piss.
Yeah, from the Kardashian war, how many people are on board?
Well, normally it's a crew of 23, I think he says.
No, it might be a crew of 26, actually.
It might be where I got 26 from, but actually it had 517 colonists on board as well.
I'll need all three shuttle bays and off she goes and all the civilians that have got medical
training must go there.
So I've got, yeah, if you've got your first aid at work badge, get to the shuttle bay
please.
Can you imagine St. John in the future must make a mint.
Yeah, you're going to be red and black tagging everyone.
Every person on the Enterprise has a little first aid certificate, green certificate with
the St. John logo.
They've done their one day EFA course.
And then yes, Vryka says, can I speak to you in your waiting room?
That's it.
You're so shouty.
And he's shouty straight away, isn't he?
Yeah, he's angry.
Yeah, I've got Vryka, stop shouting.
I know you're angry, but Jesus.
I felt it really jarring.
Has a few times Star Trek's done that, they'll do jump cuts and be right in the middle of
an argument or something.
Oh, okay, right.
We're in the thick of a conversation here that I wasn't quite ready for.
Yeah.
But this is where I felt uncomfortable.
Vryka has explained his position and Picard's just sat there with a bit of a shit eater
grid on his face going, we've got to understand from Worf's position.
I think you should consider doing it.
Well, Picard, why don't you go and stab him then?
I think that...
I think I write later on, the way Picard is in this episode.
It's odd.
He's very... he's really making people make the decisions that he wants them to do without
telling them to make those decisions.
He's being a manipulative captain a little bit, really subtly.
So he plays devil's advocate in every situation that he's in with them.
And with the doctor later, basically gets her to do exactly what he wants without ever
telling her that's what he really wants her to do or that she should do it.
So does that make sense?
Yeah, 100%.
And kind of the same with this one.
He does make Vryka think again and more about it than just go for the hot headed instantly
know where we know what Vryka's decision is at the end anyway without even watching the
episode.
But he makes him go back and think about it just by doing a bit of devil's advocate.
And I didn't mind Picard in this scene.
I actually thought, no, he's doing the right thing to kind of get into Vryka.
By the end of it, I didn't mind it so much.
But the start of it, I just felt really much like you're not listening to Vryka at all.
You're just saying your friend wants to kill himself.
You should go and do it, Will.
He's got what I got from it.
I didn't quite feel he basically does say that.
But I think it's more like what he's saying is from our perspective, he's just told you
he wants you to kill him.
But from his perspective, you are his most trusted friend in the entire world.
And it's very important to him.
And he's chosen you.
So don't just so flippantly just disregard it so aggressively as you have done.
Go back and explain to him exactly why you can't do it because it's your culture to not
want to do it.
I felt that's more how Picard was trying to play it rather than saying, no, go back and
do it.
I don't like because Picard doesn't want his security officer to die.
Of course he doesn't.
I hope he doesn't.
But then again, they might save a few torpedoes.
Not every day having to shout a wharf going wharf.
Don't take your finger off the button.
Wharf.
No.
They're civilians.
Okay.
You know what?
You've swung me on that.
I kind of understand that.
But then we're thrown into another really big conversation that there's so many points
in this episode we could spend hours talking about.
And as much as I don't like the Alexander character, this is a hard episode for me because
I feel for him throughout all of this.
And it's a really strong point that not many people try and make, which is the child who
doesn't care about what the culture is.
He's young.
All he cares about is his dad.
His mom's already dead.
He just wants to his dad and be with his dad and get his dad to be okay.
Was his mom human?
She was half human, half Klingon.
Right.
Okay.
Yeah.
And they had angry sex, which made him.
But it's a really kind of...
As a parent, it was hard to hear because you know what?
We don't have a religion in the household.
We don't follow anything.
But I would hate K or T to kind of wake up in the morning and be told, oh, your dad doesn't
want to see you because this thing is stopping you from seeing him based on what they believe.
It's horrible because as a kid, they just want their parent.
So a really horrible moment that part, basically saying, no, he doesn't want to see you.
Yeah.
I think then Troy goes to see Seawolf, doesn't she?
And I think she's a bitch to him.
I'm never nice to Troy in this show.
I don't know why, but she just...
The episodes we've chosen, she's not.
One of my least favourite characters from there.
But okay, you're going, you're doing exactly what I did though.
I didn't like Picard because I felt that he was going to be really harsh against Riker.
He was just airing his wishes.
Now you don't like Troy because she's going in and being a bitch to Worf.
But realistically, she's trying to get Worf to see from the other point of view, which
is what Picard was doing to Riker.
Yeah, that's it.
I just think she doesn't go about it in the same way.
She just gets into the fact, Andy, she's a bit of a twat.
I am with her, but not how she said it.
But knowing Worf as a character, that's probably the only way you're going to get through to
him, isn't it?
You can't have a nice lovey-dovey long winded conversation about it.
He'll just shut off and say, fuck off.
And now they've got the Doxa and Russell are there.
And they start giving him his options.
Oh yeah, you might get 60 to 70 percent of your movement back.
Yeah, and he's not happy with that, is he?
I don't want to be the freak Klingon lurching the corridors.
I think that's brilliant.
I don't blame you.
And then obviously Dr Russell jumps in and is like, let's do this.
Oh, Bev's death stare.
Oh, she was fucking annoyed.
I bet Picard's seen that a few times.
Yeah, she was upset.
Yeah, but she acted it really well.
I've got to say, Beverly as an actress is brilliant in The Next Generation.
How she conveys her emotion on set.
I think she's wonderful.
Not so wonderful in the ghost sex episode, but that's a whole very special episode.
I don't know, there's so many I haven't seen.
I've seen so much Star Trek and there's so much I haven't seen.
Oh yeah, the whole Irish sex ghost episode is very...
I think that's season five too.
It's a very odd episode.
With a really pale dude.
I can't remember.
I think it's season five too.
Anyway, sorry, so you've got death stare from Bev.
Then they go back to the medical bay and have an argument.
And they're right in each other's face.
They did the close up four by three filmed scene.
I was like, I hope they've both had a breath mint.
Because they were right.
No one does that.
I don't like bureaucracy normally, but when it comes to medicine, Bev's kind of right
there.
Yes, bureaucracy sucks, but it's there for a fucking reason.
If you haven't done all the paperwork, all the trials, all the tests, you can't guarantee
what you're going to do.
Including her bedside manner.
Well, not so much bedside, but the way she talks about Wolf by his back is actually what
I mean.
She's actually right the entire episode.
Out of everybody.
She's actually the sane one in the whole thing with the correct way of doing it.
They just think she's a bit of a knobby on his back, calling him grumpy all the time.
She's not actually thinking about...
He might actually be upset.
Didn't the EMH learn more about how to handle patients than she does?
Yes, break her back and see how grumpy she is.
And then we get to see what Trek is really good at.
Burn victims.
Oh God.
The makeup that they do for like phaser burns and stuff, because it's like a triage.
They're just really good.
The makeup teams in Trek always do a really good job.
And particularly good at...
They're really good at wounds.
Not so much random bits of blood, as we... I think was it the Jallad episode?
Was it with the pigmen?
Oh, Darmok.
Darmok, yeah.
When there was some blood on.
I was like, just don't put the blood on because it ruined it, if you remember.
Yeah, absolutely.
Shuck her when the walls fell.
This one, completely different.
All of the makeup looked brilliant, all those people that were over there.
Yeah.
And then I've got...
Jesus, she's testing on everyone.
Fuck me, she's evil.
Yeah, I was calling her Dr. Frankenstein.
She's just so matter of fact about it.
Yeah, he's dead.
Oh, did this not work?
Oh, he was allergic to that.
Oh, so this didn't work.
That's unusual.
Oh no, I decided to try something I've been working on.
Yeah.
Again, it's like Kim saying, let's just give it a try, shall we?
Yeah.
It's really dark.
Yeah.
And then she just relieves, doesn't she?
Well, yeah.
She's...
Yeah.
Where am I?
Fuck you, Russell.
Bev drops the hammer.
Yeah.
Get out of my shuttle bay and medical.
Get out of my pub.
With pleasure.
You're not performing medicine here anymore.
Yeah.
Yeah, so she kind of bans her from doing any medical work on the Enterprise, which as Chief
Medical Officer, she's got the right to.
And I'm pretty sure she would be stripped of all medical rights at that point.
I think that point, that's it.
But surely it's like you deal with the incident and then you'd go and speak to Starfleet and
say, this is what she's done.
And the medical council would be like, well, we need to convene and we need to decide what
her punishment's going to be.
I was wondering if she had some kind of...
What's the word I'm looking for?
Dispensation, is that the word?
From Starfleet to do certain things that normally the other doctors wouldn't be allowed to do.
Just because they called her in, she does these kind of research things.
She didn't have any remorse for that person dying.
None at all.
She just did her thing.
And that's what makes this episode so dark, is that you've just got this doctor who's
willing to go about and just try things and ignoring the fact that it could just result
in death, just to get some figures and numbers that will benefit her later on.
It's really horrible.
And it kind of reflects what's happened in the past, I guess.
But yeah, geez.
But then we're back to Medical Bay and Picard turns up.
So I'm going to tell you exactly, I wrote a little paragraph here.
Go for it.
And I've wrote, because I liked this scene, and I wrote, this is a really nice side of
Picard to see him like this.
He's not angry.
He's just talking quite calmly.
And again, he's being devil's advocate.
And I wrote, he's being very personal with everybody that he's been with, the few times
he's been in the episode so far.
And I said, he seems like a really good captain at this point in time.
He's giving opinions and not outright ordering anybody to do anything, but he still gets
them to make the decision he wants them to do anyway.
What I've written here is, has he really got the right to try and override Beverly though?
I don't think, from understanding what other episodes of Trek have done, he can't tell
her to do fucking anything.
He can captain her and he can tell her what to do.
But ultimately, if she decided to turn around and say, you're unfit to be captain medically,
she could have him straight off the ship.
So it's kind of a little bit of A, little bit of B. I don't think either could cancel
each other out without good reason to.
But yeah, I kind of just felt like, you're basically saying, we talked about parenting
before.
It's like having two parents, the child coming up and say, oh, can we go to the park?
No, we can't go to the park today.
You've been in a little shit bag.
Why should we take you to the park?
No, that's my final answer.
Going and then speaking to the other parent and the other parent going to be, oh, go on,
let's just go to the park, shall we?
It completely undermines the other person.
And that's exactly what's happening here.
Picard's basically saying, you should reconsider.
Worf's going to kill himself anyway.
Just let Russell do it.
No, because that absolutely undermines what Beverly has said, which is, I don't agree
with your tactics.
I don't agree with how you're going about things.
I think you're dangerous.
I think your procedure is dangerous.
It's untested.
Well, because the captain said so, I'm going to let you give it a try anyway now.
It undermines Beverly completely.
And I would expect her to be so much more angry or upset about that.
Yeah.
Yeah, agreed.
I think he does undermine it.
It's one of those weird things.
You can still kind of see that, well, Worf wants to die.
Why don't we just try this anyway?
Because he's quite likely to die anyway.
I think that's what Picard's point is, isn't it?
Well, there's 37% chance he won't die.
But then Beverly goes on about, I will not let him commit suicide.
Way to go there, Bev.
Just proving the point that you don't give a shit about someone's culture.
I will keep him in a restraining field for weeks, months or a year if required.
Again, really shitty behaviour there, Bev.
You're now putting yourself in a bad light.
I think she'll probably get struck off then by doing that.
Because now she's just keeping him in prison.
And you haven't even given him a TV.
He's been there for a year.
In that awful room.
The pink and blue gel is only fun for all of five minutes.
Yeah, we like the smell of it, but it gets boring.
And then we've got, right then, Riker goes in, doesn't he?
Yeah, so I've got Riker's had a taste of law since Measure of the Man.
He's obviously gone and done his research.
He's like, well, I did research for Data.
I'll do research for Worf.
But the first thing I've got here, if your friends keep dying, maybe don't be a friend
with Riker.
Yeah.
The first thing I noticed is he tries to get his attention by throwing his coat on his
legs.
Well, I think that's kind of a ceremonial gaub or whatever it can be.
But my point is Worf paralysed.
What's that going to do?
If he doesn't hear it, he's never not felt it.
Oh, sorry.
I spilt my coffee on here.
Worf doesn't matter.
But yeah, it's just Riker's on about how many of our friends have died, ending with Tasha
Yar.
It's like, I'm starting to get an idea, Riker, that you might be bad news for your friends.
Yeah.
I think he goes a little bit too far because he proper slags off the Klingon culture.
Yeah, he really goes for the throat of the culture.
Yeah.
Which is a bit mean.
Whilst I agree that it is twattish, their culture.
Yeah, but it's their culture and their race.
What right does Riker have to say that?
Precisely.
And then again, it gets darker again when he just suddenly throws out there, well, I've
done the reading on it, Worf.
And it says, it has to be your nearest family member that does it.
And that's your son.
He's just a child.
And a Klingon is an adult when they can wield a blade.
Shit.
Yeah.
And I thought you're a fucking asshole for doing that, Riker.
Because clearly maybe Worf was trying, knew that already.
Worf fully well knew that already.
And he was trying to just not have his son do it.
Exactly.
Doesn't want to traumatise his son.
But no, Riker's happy with it.
What if Worf had called his bluff?
Yeah, precisely.
I'll go and get Alexander then.
What do you mean?
No, I want you to go and get him.
Yeah, go on then.
You bought the knife.
So go and get Alexander now.
We'll finish this.
I will put this here.
After how Riker has been with him and all the slagging off he's done, I could not see
Worf forgiving or ever being a proper friend with Riker after this whole incident.
No, I think it's done their relationship.
But it doesn't.
It doesn't.
We know it doesn't.
But if that was real life, no way that's ever going to be moved past easily anyway.
And then we get Alexander comes in the room.
Yeah.
And Worf breaks tradition.
He breaks tradition.
Now, sorry, but I'm just going to say this one.
Security to medical bay.
We have a child with a bladed weapon.
Put it down.
Security.
We've got one down.
Taser deployed.
Did you see how he...
He's just walking around.
He's got the blade pointing up and he's just running around out into the corridor with
his...
Jesus.
I noticed that straight away.
It was just like, it's like walking or running with scissors.
How you meant to hold the end.
Do something with that knife.
Riker pulls it in, in a pouch because he pulls it out.
You see him pull it from the pouch.
He's like, maybe give Alexander the knife.
And he's holding it like he's wielding a flaming torch.
I'm going to go and stab someone.
Yeah.
I'm going to go and stab someone.
I'm coming for you.
And then Troy comes in and wharfs like I need to go after my son.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
I've got it.
So Alexander says, oh, I'm the fastest at maths, my teacher says.
I was waiting for him to say, oh, good warrior must know maths.
Well done, Alexander.
Just to kind of throw that one in there.
And then, yeah, could she not sense what he was about to ask her?
Yeah, exactly.
She's not very good.
Shit.
I think it's just all a con.
She's just like a snake oil merchant.
She just reads the Starfleet version of Facebook before they come in the room each time.
Oh, let's see the latest profile update.
Oh no.
Oh, they lost that promotion.
Oh, come in, come in.
Now, I'm sensing you're feeling pretty down at the moment because you lost the promotion.
She's a cold reader, isn't she?
It's a cold reader.
That's what she is.
She's a fucking cold reader.
She's just like, maybe she's just really good in bed and because Ryker just can't get past
that.
That she's just got here in the fucking...
You can't get past it, but fuck me, he's nailed a fair few fucking women in front of
her, hasn't he?
Yeah, I've actually felt that one.
Right.
Oh no.
I just thought he's...
I'm glad we're laughing at some point in this.
If we've got 48 minutes into this and we're laughing at last.
Can she not sense that coming?
Then we've got about Ryker having said, can she not sense him coming?
Just laying there.
I started going to say, no, no, no, he's doing it again.
Oh dear, I did wait.
What is it when you're linked on a subatomic level across distances?
What's that called?
Quantum locked.
She's emotionally quantum locked with his orgasm.
Every night is a nightmare.
It's a different person.
Oh my God, it's like three in the afternoon.
What's happening?
He's going to be on shift.
He's on a lunch break.
Computer, where's Commander Ryker?
Commander Ryker is in holodeck three.
Oh no.
I've lost my page.
Get the mop and bucket.
Yeah, where were we?
Oh, they're in their Willy Wonka suits.
I liked those suits.
They just looked a bit absorbent.
Yeah, they didn't look practical for surgery.
It reminded me of the scene in Willy Wonka where they're all in white and they shrink
the person into the television, but they're in red instead.
Sorry, hang on.
The one bit I've got before that.
So when Troy says, yes, of course I'll have Alexander for you.
I'd be honored and I promise I'll only send him to the Starfleet orphanarium a month after
you die, because that's the way of TNG.
Right, so yeah.
I did love the entire medical scene for this.
The spinal column in the box, I think looked really good.
The laser scanning for it.
All of that.
I really like it.
You've got to have a bit of pink goo there, which I'm pretty sure they just stole from
Ghostbusters 2.
But there is no thought about Worf's comfort.
He's face down on a metal grid.
He's unconscious at this point.
Yeah, but the table hasn't got a hole for his face.
Did you see what he was on?
We couldn't budget for a hole in the table.
Right, so my greenhouse is on this plastic square grid and inside the holes of the grid is stone.
Yes.
He's on that without the stones.
If you go back and look at that scene, he's on one of those grids.
That would hurt.
His face is just like...
Just flat onto it.
Starfleet, we don't care about your comfort.
We'll just knock you out and we'll be done.
Knock him out and line with a bed of spikes.
What do we care?
We'll hold him in place.
I just thought...
Yeah, I didn't think that was right.
So yeah, you've got the spinal columns out, they're working on it.
Then we go to Alexander and Troy sat outside waiting and Alexander's playing a Star Trek game,
which I'm pretty sure is just the Seiko pyramid talking clock from the 80s.
Yeah, it looked like that.
I was looking at the thing and I recognised that.
It's a digital clock of some sort, I'm sure it is.
And then we also see Riker and Picard having boring conversations with each other about...
Have you heard anything?
Not yet.
And that was it.
It's Riker.
What are they talking about?
They're talking about the really boring day to day, which is...
I'm glad they put it in there because it does give you the idea that there is day to day activity on the ship that has to be dealt with.
Someone's got to organise who's taking the trash out on Deck 13.
So yeah, no.
We get the call again, spinal call again.
Yeah, well, yeah, out comes the long slug that she had just blocked.
You think wouldn't you beam it in so you've got like precision?
But she's saying it must be 15 centimetres from the brain stem.
OK, then do it with the transposer.
Don't just bring it out on what looked like two pencils.
Flop it in and then just start poking it up and down until it's the right kind of distance.
What is that worm thing?
It was just like a really gross looking tape worm, wasn't it?
Yeah.
Put that on your back, mate.
Funny enough, your spinal column doesn't look dissimilar.
Well, spinal cord, sorry, not the column.
That's what it was meant to be.
Yeah, it was meant to be the spinal cord and then they generate the spinal column around it with the tissue growth, which is the genotronic side, I'm guessing, which should look really cool on the display.
Yeah. Seeing it kind of growing in there.
But does it work?
Well, she shoves in so much anaprovalin, whatever the fuck that stuff is.
Oh my God, she couldn't get enough of it.
25 milligrams, 50 milligrams, 75 milligrams.
And then, yeah, then it's like on goes the cortical stimulator, which we first see.
I'm pretty sure we don't see it in the original series, but we see it in the Star Trek films when...
Is it Chekhov?
Yeah, Chekhov falls off the ledge and basically gives himself massive brain damage because they stick the cortical stimulator on him and bring him back to life.
It's their version of a defibrillator basically, but for the brain.
Didn't we already watch an episode where they do that?
Yeah.
I'm like, what the fuck is it doing to him?
There's a couple. It's basically a defibrillator for the brain.
Yeah.
Which is quite a cool idea. But yeah, I've got here, it's actually quite graphic for Star Trek because, yeah, you see a portion of his back exposed and they're putting things in and it's quite graphic.
Yeah, he died.
He does die.
And this bit pained me and I'm sure it's only because now I'm a dad. It's Beverly going out and telling Alexander your dad's dead.
Basically.
That was pretty gut wrenching.
I hate that. I can't deal with that anymore. I really struggle because I immediately put my kids into it and it's just like, I don't like it.
She acted that really well.
She did. The kid did. And then demanding, no, I want to see my dad.
And they turned him over. Thank fuck for that. He hasn't got as a grill marks all over his face.
Don't worry. His ridges will go back to normal.
Yeah. So they've turned them over and then Beverly spots something.
No, well, just before then, he, like the guy playing, the kid playing Alexander does a really good job. But you can see he was told he's not allowed to touch his makeup.
Yes.
Because he has to put his hands over his face, but you can see he's kind of.
He's not trying to touch the ridges.
And then, yeah, she sees something and I had to rewind it because I didn't see what she saw at first.
But he kind of does a weird twitch with his head.
Doesn't he?
Yeah. It's kind of a nose, cheek, eye area kind of twitch.
Now, was this whole Klingon redundancy thing invented for this episode?
Yes.
Right. Just specifically for this.
I presume so.
Because somebody wanted to do this episode, the writers, now they've canonised the basic Klingons are bloody Time Lords.
I was going to say, I wonder if Doctor Who played any part in that idea with the fact that the Time Lords have got two hearts.
I'd be interested because you know how sci-fi lines up and typically sci-fi writers will also watch and pay attention to what other sci-fi things have done.
Yeah.
And now, so they get him to come back alive with some more randomly named drugs.
And now we've got.
I keep, I've called her Troy all the way through all my notes.
Weird.
I don't know why I've done it.
So Beverly is now giving her the silent treatment.
Yeah, I've got.
Are you fucking child?
Yeah, I've got silent treatment and I've got.
Oh, those backup systems.
Who could imagine that little bit of information from the beginning would come into play in this episode?
And.
But quick question.
Yeah.
Have you ever seen the original Addams Family film?
Yes.
Okay, so you.
What's the wife's name in it?
Morticia.
So in the Addams Family one and two films, the way they were filmed was that any time you had Morticia, they had.
A mirror doing the light across the eyes and they did that kind of 1940s, 30s film style where it was kind of Vaseline around the outside of it.
Soften it up.
I swear they do that for Beverly Crusher.
And at least in this episode, anytime you've got just her face on screen, it's really soft.
They absolutely do it in season one.
Absolutely for her and Troy.
They both of those two get that treatment.
Yeah.
Absolutely they do.
And Beverly gets it at this point when it's up close on.
They do it to her.
I don't know if it's basically trying to warm you to her.
Yeah.
Or what?
Or going to make it out kind of the whole good versus evil.
So I don't.
I honestly don't know.
It might just be they're just trying to.
Yeah, like the good versus.
They're trying to harden the other woman up and soften her up because I wrote a few.
The word I was looking for was smug.
That's the words were, but I couldn't think of that word at the time because I was so annoyed by how Dr. Russell looked.
I've wrote smarmy twat.
Yes, isn't she?
She's basically lucked out because the Klingon physiology that she had no fucking clue about saved her bacon.
Yeah.
I said she's a boasting smart ass.
Yeah, absolutely.
Leaning up against the wall.
They're like really looking smug.
Like, oh, see, I'm so brilliant.
My plan worked all along.
And I really did like as much as the silent treatment is really childish, I did really like Bev's speech ending with, well, I hope you enjoy your laurels.
Yeah.
Because you know what?
It is cutting.
It's just like you came here and you said you respected my research, my papers and you were looking forward to working with me.
And now you're leaving.
And basically I'm saying to you, I really hope you enjoy what you've come up with and you get from this.
Yeah.
Not in a good way.
No.
Yeah.
We get the final scene is a really good scene with Warfleet.
The physio.
Yeah.
Yeah. And they're like, oh, no, let you do it on your own.
And he's like, no, we'll do this together.
I want my son to help.
Which was a really nice heartwarming end to what is quite a dark.
If we've not managed to get much comedy out of it.
So it's not a funny episode.
It's not one that you can have that much fun with because it's a good episode, but it's a dark episode.
I mean, again, I'm a sarcastic bastard.
You know this and I've got Beverly says it's going to take time.
Don't rush. And I've got, yeah, you've got at least until next episode.
Yeah, just.
I genuinely want to watch the next episode, see what the star date is and see if warf's in it walking around normally.
Oh, yeah, we'd have to do that.
Can you imagine the star dates literally two days apart and warf's basically done.
I don't know if they mentioned star dates in this episode at all.
Because there's only one log and it's a supplementary doctor's log.
That's true.
So I and I don't think she mentions a star date.
So unless it's written on a screen somewhere, I think there is a database that says when all the star dates are for episodes.
That's literally what I'm looking up. Good old fandom.
Yeah. Let's have a look.
Because I was going to do the same. I was going to write down the star date, but I don't think it ever gets mentioned.
In universe date four five five eight seven point three two three six eight in brackets.
Right. So we now know four five five eight seven point three.
Now, if I'm going to open up, what do you say? Four four five eight seven.
That's okay. I'll open up in another. I'll open up in another tab.
But hang on. If I open this up in another tab and look at what the next episode is.
Oh, I don't even need that.
Oh, for fuck's sake. Yeah.
Ethics four oh two seven five. Oh, actually, is that? That's not. Oh, that's production number. Sorry.
Ignore me. I was getting grumpy there because it was a different number.
Right. Ethics four five five eight seven point three four five five. Yep. Eight seven point three eight seven point three.
The next episode is the outcast and the first date for that is four five six one four point six.
Right. Everybody who's trying to figure out what star dates are without Googling star dates fucking work that one out.
Didn't we kind of work out it's almost like one number is a day.
I'm not entirely sure. I'm at that stage.
Let's have a look. I'm genuinely I want to know. I want to know kind of.
No, we're supposed to be working it out based on their shitty understanding of only knowing it from episodes.
No, right. Right. Right. I've got a calculator. I've got a calculator.
Here we go. You got a star date calculator. I have a star date calculator.
If we put the star date in, it will tell us the date.
OK, here we go. Oh, fuck. No, it's not copying and pasting properly.
Come on. Four five five eight seven point three. Right. Copy. Here we go.
Fuck off, copilot. I don't want you to tell me about the text.
I'm fine with it without. Right. OK. Star date. Here we go.
Star date. The date is August 2nd, 2368.
I don't care about the time. We just care about days at this point.
August 2nd. August 2nd, 2368. OK.
And then the outcast. How do they work this out?
There is maths involved, so Alexander should be able to do this by now.
Four five six one.
He's the quickest in his class.
Thanks for filling us up with such useless information.
Four five six one four point six point six. OK.
Oh my God. It's been ten days.
It's the 12th of August. It's the 12th of August. 2368.
I can't. It takes Worf ten days to get back.
That is if he's actually in the episode. What's the next episode?
Outcast. Outcast. Right. OK. We're just going to write that down.
I'm going to watch that. That's not for the next episode.
We can talk about it. That's not what we're going to do next episode.
No, that's actually made me so.
Riker falls for a member. What a surprise.
Riker falls for a member of an androgynous race who lost a couple of their people in an unmapped region of space.
Oh God. All right.
And I'm going to very randomly scrub, scrub, scrub, scrub, scrub, scrub, scrub.
And oh, you know what? Worf might not turn up in this episode.
Oh, you got it there. Yeah.
I'm literally scrubbing through the episode now and it's a very Riker centric episode.
It's Riker and the androgynous female. They're in ten forward now. Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Is he a delton? He's basically trying to knob her.
She's proving that she's a pilot as well, which is arousing William.
Oh, Bev's there treating her, not caring about her culture, no doubt.
There he is. Worf's playing poker. No, he's fine. He's in full uniform.
No, he's in full uniform. Oh, fuck off.
Ten days. There you go.
Worf needed ten days to get back into operational order.
Screw you, Star Trek. I love you, but God damn it.
Ensign's log, Stardate 31111.1. I've had a great idea to find out where the moisture goes and comes from. Those old scientists, they went back in time to 1986 with the whales.
Looks like I'll be spending a few weeks visiting Holodeck, San Francisco.
Ensign's log and do the Stardate automatically.
Ooh, could I have just said, computer, record personal log.
No, no peeps.
I've been testing water down in the Holodeck. It's... I can't get anything... It's not helpful.
Engineering are being just dicks about it. I don't know why. I don't know what I've done to piss them off.
Still no definitive answers. I think water might get teleported away, but there'd be comets and stuff behind us if that was...
I don't know why engineering won't help me with this. Twats.
Command functions are offline. I know we're at the end. Yep.
And you're expecting to say what our next Trek thing is, because we've said we're going to do Trek Trek Talk. Trek Trek Talk.
I don't want the next episode to be Trek, weirdly. I know this is a Trek Show podcast.
I would like you to watch the first episode of The Orville with me. Because when the first episode of Orville came out...
It was around the same time I believe Discovery had arrived. And for me, it was the best non-Trek Trek at the time.
And I still genuinely feel that actually The Orville has done Trek better than a lot of Trek of that time still to this day.
So my friend Stiddy's seen them all. And he would constantly tell me, you love Star Trek, you need to watch this, you need to watch this, you're going to love it.
And I just... I never watched it. And I never was that interested in it because I just thought it was going to be Family Guy in Space.
And that's what I was just going to say. So it's Seth MacFarlane. He was a big Star Trek fan. And he wanted to do something different.
And whenever I've spoken to anyone, I've said, right, what do you know about The Orville? Oh, it's Seth MacFarlane.
So I say, what do you expect it to be? And it's exactly what you've just said there. You've just proven my point beautifully.
Which is they always say, well, it's just going to be Family Guy in Space, isn't it? And it's not. It is comedy, yes.
But so many of the episodes take what Trek has done, run with it, and done it brilliantly.
There's an entire part of The Orville where there's the security officer of The Orville. Looks a bit like Darmok, funnily enough.
And they are an all male species. And they partner up and the male of the species lays the egg.
And they have a child. And the child is born and it's a girl. And you think, well, hang on a moment. We'll talk about comedy.
The entire two part episode we're talking about is about forced gender reassignment and one parent saying, I don't agree with this.
And the other parent saying, well, I do and I want it to happen. And The Orville having to decide, shit, what do we do?
Do we follow this person's culture or do we follow what we think is right? Which no one expected of Seth MacFarlane.
Some of the storylines are really deep and actually straight out of Star Trek.
And that's why I genuinely feel Orville at points has done Trek better than Trek has done itself.
It's absolutely worth watching. Yes, you do get some Family Guy style humour in there. You can't avoid that.
But overall, it's actually really good sci-fi.
So episode 12 of the Untitled Trek Show shall be season one, episode one of The Orville.
Yeah, but you've got to understand. Is it episode 12 or episode 13? Episode 13, I believe. This is 12.
This is 12. Next one's 13. And it's going to be an episode of The Orville. But I think people need to understand that Trek went on to influence so much.
I mean, at some point, I want us to look at Galaxy Quest. That's a great movie.
It's a brilliant film and it's straight up lifted piss take of Star Trek.
I did say that, I think it was last week, I did say I want to do sci-fi in general, mainly Trek.
Yeah. Well, it would be nice to do sci-fi that has been influenced by Trek. And in this case, The Orville fits that perfectly.
And for those of you that are following along and that want to watch it and don't have access to it on DVD, it is streaming every season on Disney+.
So if you've got Disney+, you can watch The Orville. Otherwise, I'm sorry, I don't know where else it streams, so I can't help you on that one.
But yeah, episode one of The Orville. It might not be very Trek, but I think you'll see what I mean.
Wicked.
Ensign's Log. The San Francisco mission with Kirk and Spock and one of them that's going nowhere.
Once you're banned from SeaWorld, it's over. But sop the water.
I don't know which of those old scientists programmed this, but holy shit, this is what you're going to want to do.
Load the simulation, observe the mission. Don't sign in as a participant. While they all go on their mission,
say you want to explore the time periods, arts and culture that unlocks the map beyond the mission.
Pay close notes and listen to the tension.
Now follow these instructions very closely.
It's going to be a long time.
Head north from the landing sites for about five minutes.
Someone asleep on a blue towel with a grey backpack.
Wait until the lady walking the dog goes past, then steal a bag and their shoes.
Walk to the bench, take the wallet out from one of the shoes.
When the guy selling the music comes by, offer to swap him the shoes for his jacket and take a cab to Hide Ashbrook.
This is important.
Give the cabby $200.
He will drive you anywhere for as long as the mission lasts.
Any less than that and he gets called away in an airport run after you leave him waiting for half an hour.
Also, set a timer to get back to the landing site before the mission ends or the side quest makes the simulation glitch and freeze.
You have to walk all the way back to the landing site to use the arch to get out.
And computer, set this to private.
So thanks everybody for listening.
Thank you.
I didn't say watching this time.
Oh yeah.
I said listening.
Boom.
So when are we going to see them next?
When are we going to see them next?
In a fortnight.
Oh damn it, you're not going to say next week.
Well, no, technically.
Well, if you follow both shows, we will see you next week.
Yeah, okay.
Mr. Pedantic, you're right.
On the Channel 84 variety show.
Absolutely.
I'd really like you to rate us 10.
Whereas here is a fortnight.
Yeah, you'll see the Untouchable Trek in two weeks time.
Where can you find us?
You can find us on channel84.co.uk, our lovely website.
And on there has all of our socials, has very rarely nowadays posts.
We just need to get back into it.
We are going to get back into that.
It's just...
Finding a rhythm because we've done so much podcast stuff and so much extra things, haven't we?
Yeah, it's been a very, very busy past six months, I would say, where we've changed up our game.
We've introduced now weekly recording as when we first set up the page.
We were only doing it every two weeks.
We had time.
We had time to write stuff, yeah.
Whereas now the stuff we're writing are podcast things.
It basically ends up in the podcast.
So yeah, it's hard to find a median that we can sit on, but we will.
And there will be posts going up again.
Yeah.
We'd really love you guys to join us Discord.
We've got Trek areas.
We've got normal chat areas.
We've got film areas, TV show areas.
You know, we just opened up an arty crafty bit if you didn't know.
It's for Flower.
Yeah.
And they do their own 3D printing or their own craft stuff.
Anything at all.
Chuck it in there.
Everyone's super friendly.
And you can get there by going to channel84.co.uk forward slash Discord.
Is that right?
That's the wrong, well done.
And that will immediately accept you to the invite link.
Email us.
You can email TJ at TJ at channel84.co.uk.
Correct.
Or myself, Rob at channel84.co.uk.
Or podcasts.
Plural.
At channel84.co.uk.
And that will go to both of us.
See, the funny thing is it now makes sense that that's plural because we have the other
types of Trek chat at Channel 8.
It wasn't anything to do with me fucking up in the early days and making it plural.
Yeah.
If you want to follow Trek on Twitter it's at underscore untitled Trek.
That's me that manages it, but we both see it.
And the same with the right show at underscore channel 84.
That's the one.
You manage that, but we both see it.
Correct.
I think that's everything.
Facebook, Instagram, all the other stuff that I don't check.
We do check.
Rob might not, but we do check.
I do check.
I just like saying that.
I just don't look at them.
And if you fancy supporting the running of the show, you don't have to.
We don't expect it.
But if you do have a few nuggets in your pocket spare, feel free to jump over to Kofi where
you can find the channel 84 variety show, which is both shows.
We're just not going to open two separate Kofi's.
It's just too messy.
And that money really does just go towards the running of the show.
It doesn't go in our pockets.
It goes towards new equipment.
It goes towards our Google mail account.
It goes towards the webpage hosting.
We're saving up for a new kind of podcast recorder.
Although we love the zoom that we've got at the moment.
We'd quite like to get the podcast a pro too from road because then we can plug phones
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So that's what that money goes towards.
So if you do have the inclination, which you don't have to, we don't expect it to donate.
Chuck it over there.
And we'll even add you to then the special discord page that gets monthly meetings with
me and Rob where we just chat about stuff and you get to just chat with us.
We have got some stuff coming up.
We haven't organized a date yet.
We've got that starship.
Starship Simulator.
We're going to play together.
Aren't we going to stream it together?
So that's going to be cool.
That is going to be very cool.
But we'll keep you posted.
There'll be another reason to follow on Twitter or every announcement gets put on
discord and we do announce stuff on Twitter as well.
But, you know, do one or one or both if you want to find out when these things are.
Did you just tell our audience to do one?
Well, I mean, you could clip that and yes.
Anyway, see you later everybody.
Bye bye.
Hey, Rob here.
Didn't know at the time of recording what I was going to do with the edits.
So I don't have a live thank you, but a massive thank you to Adam Court for all of those crew
log entries for EntenCourt.
They I think they're absolutely brilliant.
He gets me.
He gets the shit show.
Definitely understood the memo.
Got the email.
He knew what he was doing.
Go over to Twitter at Mr Court.
Give him some love.
I think they're brilliant.
Thank you very much, mate.
Thank you for the show.
Bye bye.
I can't do these things.
Why am I whispering?
There's no one here.
I've got to leave this in.
It's my M.O. Bye.
Thank you for listening to the Channel 84 Untitled Trek Show.
This station is now shutting down and will be back in two weeks.
Excelsior.
Enten's log investigating where the moisture goes in the holodeck has officially been reassigned to engineering.
All future log entries to be approved by the captain.
And log.