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Hello, I'm the Star Trek one.

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Nice. Just take the words straight out of my mouth and use them against me.

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No one can hear because it wasn't recording. Is it recording, Dom?

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You're such a dick. Hang on, you're editing it. It's all your fault.

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I'll just cut, cut, cut. Hello everybody.

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Hello.

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Welcome to the Untitled Trek show.

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Still such an original name.

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I really like it.

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Because we were talking ages ago about it being called something like Trek Talk.

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Yeah, well that was one of the original ideas we had, wasn't it?

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We were going to have it as Trek Talk and that was going to be in the main episode for the main show.

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Then it was, let's spin it off to its own individual show.

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And then we said, what are we going to call it?

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And I think we just, didn't we jokingly say Untitled Trek Show? That's original, ha ha.

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No, you just wrote Untitled because it didn't have a title. You just did it.

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Yes, you're right.

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Yeah, you just wrote Untitled Trek Show and I was like, I actually like that. We're not changing it.

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Fair enough.

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But do you remember I found that list of Star Trek podcasts and there was one on there called Trek Talk.

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Yes, you did, didn't you?

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Yeah, and there was a few that we thought we had come up with that were on the list.

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Oh God, we're not being original anyway.

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Yeah, apparently we're not original, so. At least we are with this one.

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Yeah, I think so.

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I am very surprised, to be fair, that you didn't open this with something like Mission Log.

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No, sorry, Captain's Log. Today I'm going to commit murder.

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I don't know who yet, but I feel like killing someone.

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Because that's right. That's the whole plot line of this episode of Tuvix.

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It's, yeah.

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It was a bit of a roller coaster.

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When I'd watched it the first couple of times years ago when it had come out, I think I ended with a different opinion.

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Maybe I didn't even have really an opinion of it.

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But re-watching it now, critically, well, what I call critically, our version of critical, I really got a different feeling at the end of it.

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And actually, I really felt awkward.

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That end, so we'll get there, but that end scene on the bridge, I was really uncomfortable and I felt sorry for him.

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And I was like, you know what, I don't like this.

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Let's just quickly jump back a bit there.

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Accessing library computer data.

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For those of you that aren't following along, we are on Star Trek Voyager today.

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That was the episode series that you chose.

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And we are on season two, episode 24, with the self-titled episode Tuvix.

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And we'll do a very, very quick, brief rundown of the episode for those of you that haven't got around to watching it yet.

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Tuvok and Neelix are on a planet.

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They're searching for a plant.

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They get beamed back.

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Dirty Kim does something wrong.

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They come back as a merged individual.

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Merged individual spends his then next few weeks living his life as this new individual on Voyager.

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People start to like him.

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Other people don't like him.

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And then good old hologram doc decides, I've finally worked out a way of fixing this.

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And Tuvix doesn't want to die.

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Janeway commits murder.

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End of episode.

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And we'll see you in two weeks time, everybody.

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But that is the brief gist of the whole episode.

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That is really kind of from the beginning up to the end.

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That is the most simple kind of rundown.

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But there is a lot to take from this.

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And you're blaming Dirty Kim for it?

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We'll get there in a minute.

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But I'm definitely blaming Dirty Kim for it.

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I wasn't really blaming anybody.

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Oh, I'm blaming Dirty Kim for it all the way.

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Okay.

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100% of the way.

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They were fucking around with the teleporter.

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Transporter, darling.

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Come on.

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Get the terminology right or we'll have lots of trekkies want to kill us.

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Yes, finally.

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I would like to return your quote unquote ultimate belt.

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I see that you have a receipt.

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Quote unquote, sir.

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No, I do not have a receipt.

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I want it as a doer prize at the Star Trek convention.

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Although I find their choice of prize highly illogical as the average

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trekker has no use for a medium sized belt.

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Oh, fat sarcastic Star Trek fan.

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You must be a devil with the ladies.

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I like it.

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It's a teleporter.

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I think I've always called it a teleporter.

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It's teleporting.

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It's doing that thing.

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Don't get me wrong, but get the goddamn name right.

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Oh, I don't fucking care.

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I will cut you.

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Star Wars is it?

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Galaxy Quest?

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Galaxy Quest is great.

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It is one of the best films known to man and it's for free on Pluto TV at the moment.

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What's Pluto TV?

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The thing that you told me about.

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It's a free streaming app that you can get on Firestick and everything else.

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And it's just got loads of quiz shows, lots of police shows.

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It's like Dave but with more and then it's got loads of films and Galaxy Quests on their playlist.

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It's got a load of old films on there.

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But yeah, Galaxy Quest on there.

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And it's just, it's one of those films that it outdoes Trek at points.

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Yeah, it's a really good film.

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Yeah, it's just really good.

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Well, as an untitled Trek show, we'll have to do Galaxy Quest one day.

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I think we should do something like a live watch along or something with that at some point

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because I've got to watch it again because it's just brilliant.

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And the cast on it, brilliant.

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But anyway.

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So Tuvix.

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Get on with it.

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Yes, get on with it.

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Yes, get on with it.

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We start off Tuvix on an away mission with Tuvok and Neelix.

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It's a rough start.

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The first thing I've written, oh God, I hate Neelix.

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He's just so peppy.

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You can see that Tuvok just really wants to nut him.

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Yeah, you can see quite clearly this is not an away mission that Tuvok is particularly pleased with.

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He's really into botany, I think, the kind of backstory of him.

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And he has his favourite flower as an orchid, as Neelix even says himself.

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But it's clearly were he to choose somebody to go on this away mission with.

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It wouldn't have been Neelix.

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But I can see why, because they're in an area where they don't know and he supposedly does know this kind of stuff.

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So I can see...

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Can I just point out that's the constant storyline they use for him.

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Oh, you're from this quadrant.

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You know your way around.

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Does he fuck?

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He's useless.

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I suppose it's kind of like saying the humans, well, they're from Earth.

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That's in the Milky Way.

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They must know every single planet's fauna and flora that's in the Milky Way.

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Yes, but my point is whenever Neelix has been relied on for something,

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like when they first come across him and they say, right, I know someone that might be able to help you.

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Notice he takes them to everywhere where he is shit on his own doorstep.

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No one likes him.

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Wherever he goes, he's not liked.

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And they choose to keep him on board.

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Yeah.

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Well, there must be someone must like something about him.

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I did on my notes, I wrote what great makeup Neelix actually has.

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I noticed particularly maybe just the lighting I was looking at.

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I thought, you know what, as much as I don't like the character, they've done a really good job with the makeup.

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We've said this all along, haven't we, whenever we've talked about Voyager,

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especially with things like Threshold, the makeup team for Paramount Threshold.

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So this is 1995 onwards Voyager.

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I didn't realise it was that late, to be honest.

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I know I missed it first time around because I didn't have Sky.

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So I would have watched it on the first time it got aired in the UK on Terrestrial, which was BBC Two on their Sci-Fi nights.

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But yeah, I didn't realise it was 95.

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I didn't realise it was that late into the 90s.

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But the makeup crew that Paramount have paid and the Star Trek and CBS have paid to do it, it's incredible.

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And yeah, you're right. His makeup is really, really good.

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When you consider what data looked like in The Next Generation and, OK, for what it was and what he needed to do, he looked fine.

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But you could always see the reddening around his eyes where he was starting to get irritated by the latex and by the coloured contact lenses and stuff like that.

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But Neelix's character just always looks flawless.

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I think as well, like when you watch the HDFied versions of Next Gen, they have the issue that all of that era does.

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You can see the makeup. You know what I mean? You can see the makeup.

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Yeah, it was never designed for HDTV. It was designed for standard definition.

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Voyager kind of seems to get away with it a little bit more.

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It feels well, other than the fact it's a completely different generation of TV and filming style, I guess.

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I don't know if they had a bigger budget for Voyager.

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I'd be intrigued to see what the budget was between that and The Next Generation.

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There's obviously a lot of budget was put behind The Next Generation because it was carrying on from what the world knew, the original series and the films.

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So it had to be good, even though you read all the stories that Patrick Stewart lived out of his briefcase, his suitcase even, for the first series,

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because he didn't think it was going to be a successful TV series.

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But I would have said the budget must have been quite big.

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But I don't know if they then did the same budget or an even bigger one for Voyager to make it a success.

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I don't know. I'd be interested to see. But definitely the makeup's good.

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Now, I've got written here, he just always looks dirty.

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I know that's the makeup and that's what he's meant to look like, but he always just looks greasy.

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It's something I think it must be about the hair and the texture they've made his skin and the patina on his skin that they've given him.

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He just looks dirty, greasy and...

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I don't know. There's something about it. You just think you need a wash.

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Yeah. So they're on the planet. They're messing around.

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Well, Nelix is messing around too. Vulcan clearly is not messing around.

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Well, yeah, I've got no how about we don't sing a fucking song. Just look for the fucking flowers.

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Oh, that was really funny, wasn't it? It was like a death march or something. He starts singing.

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That's a traditional Vulcan death march.

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Yeah, in Vulcan, yeah.

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Or funeral song or something like that. It's like, yeah, well done there, Nelix. And he just goes, oh, I quite like it actually.

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He's singing it anyway, doesn't he? Yeah. Classic.

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But yeah, they're looking for the flower and then we suddenly bounce back to Voyager.

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And the transporter room.

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And the transporter room. Is there a storm inbound or something? There's always a storm inbound at these points, isn't there?

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There's something happening, but they need to come back.

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Yeah, so not Dirty Kim. There's another engineer there with him who's a continued character on Voyager.

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And he's having trouble with the transporter for whatever reason, isn't he?

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I believe it's Lieutenant Hogan.

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Is that his name?

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I don't think so. Yeah, only purely by IMDB.

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Yeah, he appears later on in the episode again, actually.

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Yeah, so they're messing around and Dirty Kim's there and they both start fucking around with the teleporter.

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And then they're like, oh, it's all right now.

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Basically, yeah, it comes there on the bridge and they say, right, we need to get you up for whatever the reason is.

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But we're having problems with the transporters.

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So they check in with engineering and they check in with Dirty Kim and Hogan, we think.

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And have you got it fixed? And he basically says, hang on a moment, Captain, we think we've got it.

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We've just got to do one more thing. Right, let's give it a try.

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Now, when someone says, right, let's give it a try, don't you think you'd kind of radio down to Juvik and Neelix and say,

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you know those flowers you've got, can you just grab something, put it on the floor and we want to transport it up to see if it works or not?

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Yeah.

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Well, I think I fixed it, so let's give it a try on two prized members of the, well, one prized member of the crew.

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If I'm having my entire DNA structure decompiled and recompiled, try isn't really the word I want to be used.

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You don't want Dirty Kim saying, well, we'll give it a try. I think we fixed it.

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Yeah.

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Really confident there, guys, really confident.

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There might be a few, well, the spirals they called, of DNA spirals, what they called. Do you know what I mean?

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Oh, yeah, double helix.

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Yeah, the double helix. There might be one or two of those out of place. We'll just give it a try. Who cares?

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Yeah, well, and then they end up with only one being in the transporter room.

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So I've got, yeah, the makeup's definitely well done in Voyager. Hats off to them again.

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So we've already talked about that, but my favourite bit is you can tell it's the two merged together.

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I know they've got different actors. Let's not go into that.

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Yeah.

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But you can tell straight away that the plot of this story is they've both been merged together.

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Why did Kim need to suddenly go off on the whole panic station? Oh my God, it's an intruder.

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No, you've just beamed up two people. You've ended up with one and they look scarily like those two have been mashed together in a Play-Doh machine.

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Yeah.

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And they're wearing a Starfleet uniform of sorts. Is it really intruder Kim or are you just being a little dick?

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Yeah, I couldn't decide whether they should, because this goes with what I was, I know actually no.

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So I was thinking like, because their costumes get merged together, but later when they get separated, that doesn't happen.

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The uniforms are kind of normal at that point.

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But then he isn't wearing that merged uniform when they separate him. He's wearing a normal uniform.

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Yes. I really like that merged uniform.

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Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool.

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I thought it was cool. I remembered the merge being a bit more dramatic than that, but nothing really happens. He just appears and he's there.

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There's no like big kind of like merging of creatures and stuff. It just, he appears.

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So I don't know. Have you, I was a bit disappointed with how they did that. You're right. I was expecting something more to it.

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Now, maybe it's because they were catering more towards a younger audience, so they didn't want to make it too traumatic.

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I don't know. But have you ever seen the very first Star Trek film? So it's called Star Trek The Motion Picture.

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It's a very long winded film. It's not considered the, I enjoy it personally. It's where they get V-ger turn up and it turns out it's the Voyager Pro, blah, blah, blah.

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At the very beginning of it, they kill off an unknown character immediately.

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Right.

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Basically they're at space dock and the transporter goes wrong. And what you get is the transporter person, oh my God, it's not going so.

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William Shatner jumps over and he starts doing this, teching the tech and everything like that. And it still goes wrong.

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But all you basically hear is this horrible, dark, terrifying scream as the person is just appears and just then disappears.

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Deatomised.

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And it's just, it's horrifying the noise they do. And then just to really, really hit it home at how fucking horrible it is.

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He then goes, I think he is on the Enterprise and he gets on his commuter and goes, communicate to space doctor, have you got them?

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And he's like, whatever came back didn't live long.

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Oh, gross.

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To give you the idea, it basically just re-atomised, reappeared on their transporter pad as this blob of just mix up atoms screaming in.

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It's horrible. And part of me wanted that for this, not the horrible death, but to actually have some sort of like maybe both of them appearing on the transporter pad and then merging into one on the transporter pad.

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Maybe have a kind of a scream from both of them as it kind of merges in to give you the idea that they're merging, not just it happens and then Dirty Kim running away saying it's an intruder.

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Yeah. And how great was the acting of the other guy, his face, when he sees this guy, you know, the transporter dude, he's just got this, I just wrote, hammed up is what I've written here.

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So that turns up later and I'm pretty sure it's the same actor.

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Yeah, I think it is, yeah.

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And I bet you it will be the bit I bring up, you go, that's the same one.

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Anybody that watched this episode and isn't just listening, they will know exactly what we're talking about.

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This one extra basically got paid extra to be really, really hammy.

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He made sure he got the airtime, definitely.

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But yeah, it's not a bad idea for an episode. I'm not going to say it's one of the worst Voyager episodes, but I don't think it is.

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And actually as story goes, it's quite a strong story. And like you said, being critical of it now rather than watching it when we were younger just because it was Star Trek and we were watching it.

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But watching it to try and dissect it and break it down, this is a good start to the episode.

256
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Yeah. And now we get the wicked intro.

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Oh yeah, then we go straight into good old, do do do do do do do.

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I guess it's great. I just love all the Star Trek intros.

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I do.

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All of them are good.

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They all need a little bit more French horn though.

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Like the S9, get the old French horn in there as well. I'd be happy.

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Really good.

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But yeah, I guess then we come back onto Voyager, don't we?

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The Doctor! Go straight to the Doctor now.

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He's to the Doctor, isn't he? Yeah.

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And we play a game that I like to call, insert music here editor Rob, Molecular Bingo.

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How many times in this episode are you going to hear the word molecular?

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It's yeah, a bit like threshold.

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We had threshold bingo, now we've got molecular bingo.

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And the Doctor, I love the fact that...

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Best character in the series.

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He is the equivalent of Data, but for Voyager, isn't he?

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So Data you've got full on just speaks in that kind of monotonous voice,

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doesn't really have an understanding or kind of emotion towards things.

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And just maybe says the wrong things at the right time or even the wrong time,

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or says things in a way that most people would say you really need to kind of not say.

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Whereas the Doctor, again, is just the same.

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It's just either he's grumpy or he's just straight to the point and is like, yeah, you're fucked.

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The thing is, because the Doctor, he represents somebody who has coded an AI for a very specific job

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and not to be anything else but the best at that job.

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And that is being the Doctor in an emergency.

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Because he's the emergency hologram, everyone remember.

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He's not just the Doctor, he's meant to only be open in an emergency.

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He didn't have to waste their time giving him bedside manners or anything like that.

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He's meant to be to the point, this is an emergency, fix this, fix this.

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I don't care about your human emotions, you're going to die, fix this.

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Plasma conduit's blown up and it's killed four people.

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I need an extra pair of hands, turn the EMH on.

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Right, you deal with that. I'm dealing with this.

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That's what he was there for.

292
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Yeah, exactly. I think he plays that really, particularly in season one.

293
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He plays that exactly how I would like him to be.

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And it is good, however, the series is it kind of changes because he's there all the time.

295
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You can see the AI is learning and moving around.

296
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And I think he is the best character in the entire series.

297
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Now, what I was going to say is, is Star Trek The Next Generation First Contact after Voyager comes home?

298
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I'm guessing it must be.

299
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No, well, that's not the same EMH.

300
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No, it's not the same EMH, but I was just going to say, so the original EMH we get on Voyager.

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In that first few episodes, he's blunt, he's abrasive, he's straight to the point.

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He's exactly like you just said, he's the EMH as he's meant to be.

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But then we come over to Star Trek First Contact. EMH, it's our favourite daughter all of a sudden.

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And good old Bev crushes in and I was like, we've got Borg going to be coming through that door any minute, delay them.

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But I'm the EMH, don't care, delay them.

306
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And he has emotion. That's what kind of...

307
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Is it after Voyager and they've updated his program to be able to show different emotions so that it's more comforting for people?

308
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Because the Borg's coming through and he's going, so I hear that being a Borg, your skin's dry.

309
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And you see that he's visibly nervous, which if that had been the first couple of episodes of Voyager, it would have just been, I'm an EMH.

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And? Yeah, I wonder. We'd have to look it up, I wonder.

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We state the nature of the medical emergency.

312
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Twenty Borg are about to break through that door. We need time to get out of here. Create a diversion.

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This isn't part of my program. I'm a doctor, not a doorstop.

314
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Well do a dance, tell a story, I don't care, just give us a few seconds.

315
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According to Starfleet medical research, Borg implants can cause severe skin irritation.

316
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Perhaps you'd like an analgesic cream?

317
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Did they... the film came after. In fact, no. The film would have been 95 actually, so...

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I don't know actually, I don't know if that is then, because I'm pretty sure First Contact was 1995, which is when Voyager first aired.

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Maybe it's just the way they decided to play the character in that instance and it's not...

320
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Yeah, possibly. For film they've just made him act like, you're quite right, I'm probably looking into it way too much, but he is one of my favourite characters from Voyager, if not my favourite character.

321
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He is my favourite character from Voyager.

322
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And he gets... pardon me, I know we're going off on a tangent here as normal, but he gets good character progression.

323
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They actually treat him really well as a character throughout of it, whether it's the very beginning and how he is, and then how he kind of calms down and softens up thanks to Kez,

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through to the point that he gets excited about being put on a mission and having hollow emitters around the ship so he can then come out of the sick bay,

325
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or then helping save Voyager from the aliens that take over and make them all live in the hollow deck recreating World War II.

326
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It's really an interesting character.

327
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You haven't seen all of Discovery, have you?

328
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No.

329
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They go through some AI stuff in Discovery, I don't want to spoil it for anybody that hasn't watched the last season of Discovery, but they act like AI being sentient in that way is a new thing.

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But it would be for them, because they're...

331
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No, in Discovery, in the future.

332
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Oh, in the future?

333
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Whereas in this EMH is actually... I'm only just thinking of it right now.

334
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Whereas this EMH has basically become sentient, an AI that has now become completely sentient, as far as I can tell in it, and he's his own being, and they let him be a member of the crew properly.

335
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Well, and you've got...

336
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Same with Data, I guess.

337
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You've got Data, you've got Professor Moriarty from the Hollow Suite novel that goes wrong on TNG.

338
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I'm guessing it's because it's its own timeline that they've chosen not to go with. I just think it's a very strange thing to...

339
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No, I think Discovery isn't its own timeline. I think it is meant to be.

340
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Oh, is it?

341
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Yeah, as far as I'm aware.

342
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Oh dear.

343
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No, each to their own, but I think that's a very strange choice to make then.

344
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I think though, actually, maybe it's because it's the AI that's running the ship that's sentient, and I think maybe that's the distinction they're making.

345
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Right, okay.

346
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Because it's the actual computer AI of the ship that's now sentient, and it's stopping them from doing stuff because it doesn't agree.

347
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Oh, okay.

348
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It's a good episode. I'm just trying to go through it in my head.

349
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I think though, I still think you should watch that last season of Discovery.

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I will get round to it.

351
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It saves the seasons before it, put it that way.

352
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I know we've talked about Discovery before. It's just that first season really put me off.

353
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It gets worse, dude.

354
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And then the second season of we had a Klingon baby and all sorts of bloody things going on, and then it turns out he's not human, he's Klingon in disguise.

355
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It's just so messy.

356
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It's good that they moved away from that, but I think the first season they go into the future is, in my opinion, the worst season of all of them.

357
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I think that's season three.

358
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Yeah, so I've watched a little bit of that, and I just got, I lost all will to want to watch it.

359
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When they meet the bloat that's got his own spaceship who's running away from the Intergalactic Police or whoever it is, and the Federation is just one star base on its own now with literally one man behind it.

360
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You've got to push through it.

361
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I literally only watched it because the missus was enjoying it, and I was like, okay, I'll keep watching it.

362
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But the last season, I'm actually glad I think they're doing another season.

363
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I think there's only two episodes in all the Discovery I've watched that I enjoyed.

364
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The one that they do the whole evil empire, which every series seems to do, and they did it well, but it's because of...

365
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Michelle Yao, isn't it?

366
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Michelle Yao. She is just brilliant in it.

367
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She's a great character.

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I love that they bring her back as well and stick her off in Section 13 or whatever it's called. Section 31, 13? Section hidden.

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Redacted.

370
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And then the other one is with Harry Mudd.

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Basically, Ginger Bird keeps on going back in time, and Harry Mudd keeps on killing the captain in various different ways.

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That I really enjoyed as an episode, and it was really clever.

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And it was doing something that was based on a character from the original series, but they'd done their own thing with it, and they'd done it well.

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So I really enjoyed that. But those are the only two episodes I've really enjoyed from Discovery.

375
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So it's not a good sign.

376
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Sorry. We've gone a little bit far from...

377
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We have, right?

378
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Sorry. Yeah, let's get back to killing two vixx.

379
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Back to the Doctor. Back to the Doctor being our favourite.

380
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What am I supposed to do?

381
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Lead a revolt with the gang from Sandrains?

382
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Conjure up holograms of Nathan Hale and Che Guevara? I'm a doctor, not a counterinsurgent.

383
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So here we are as the Doctor, basically telling us what's happened.

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What he thinks has happened.

385
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I've got to say, Tom Wright is the actor that's playing two vixx, has done an absolutely fantastic job in his portrayal of both Tuvok and Neelix.

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And I did a little bit of reading on this, and apparently he was friends with both actors.

387
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Apparently they used to regularly audition for the same roles.

388
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So he got to know them and basically decided to base his portrayal of two vixx on the actual actors and not their characters.

389
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Oh, cool. Yeah.

390
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And he just does a brilliant, brilliant job.

391
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The only thing I can say is, how has he come up with a voice that's more annoying than Neelix's?

392
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It's weird.

393
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He plays this character very well, and I don't like his character.

394
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I actually don't like two vixx.

395
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No, I don't.

396
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At all. Not until nearly. I felt for him, I think, but I didn't actually like him.

397
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That's the difference, isn't it? I didn't like his character. I found him a little bit lecher, a bit dirty kid.

398
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Absolutely. We'll get to that. I did not like a lot of it, but he did.

399
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Yeah. And you're right. The only thing that saves him is the final plea for his life.

400
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And that's not saying that the actor did a bad job, because the actor did a fantastic job portraying two vixx.

401
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It's just the character is written in such a way that I just couldn't like him.

402
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And even his saving graces of him trying to say, please let me live, kind of sided with Janeway.

403
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As horrible as it is. We'll get there later.

404
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We'll get there. We might have different differing opinions on that.

405
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So it's funny because he chooses his own name two vixx.

406
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And I was thinking in my head, I think I actually prefer Nuvok.

407
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Nuvok would have been a better name.

408
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And he even said, I forgot he says it, he goes, I was thinking Nuvok, but I went with two vixx.

409
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Oh, it wasn't just me thinking it then.

410
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Nuvok is a better name. I would have so much gone with Nuvok.

411
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But I wonder if the writers and the producers and the directors of it said, it's too likeable of a name.

412
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Go for two vixx, which isn't as likeable.

413
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And it's like two is in the number two.

414
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Yeah. And you've got the whole bit that goes with it.

415
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But I do wonder if they'd stuck with Nuvok.

416
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People would have found it hard to have got rid of his character because it just was a better name.

417
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Yeah, I do kind of feel like he looked a bit more like two vok, but acted a bit more like Nelix.

418
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Yes.

419
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Does that make sense?

420
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It makes sense.

421
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He was a good amalgamation of them both.

422
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And it was very clever how it was written and how he portrayed the whole.

423
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At this point, I'm acting as Nelix.

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Now I'm acting as two vok.

425
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And then I'm acting as the amalgamated pair.

426
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So there's three separate requirements for him to act.

427
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It was impressive.

428
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I've written out here, I love the doctor.

429
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
He hates two vixx.

430
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,000
I get the impression in that scene that the doctor does not actually like him either.

431
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,000
So I don't know if it's the doctor doesn't like him.

432
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:09,000
I think this is kind of our first kind of insight into the doctor hating when he doesn't have an answer.

433
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,000
Yeah, I think that might be what it is.

434
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:19,000
It's more likely that the doctor is just angry and doesn't like the fact that he can't come up straight away and go, I know how to fix this.

435
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Because I can't remember if we've had the episode yet or not when the organ harvesters take Nelix's lungs.

436
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,000
I don't know if that's happened yet.

437
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000
I think it has.

438
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,000
I think it's actually quite early on.

439
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:42,000
And he creates the hologramatic lungs to keep him alive, which is a whole other thing we need to talk about when we talk about that episode.

440
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000
Has he still got them?

441
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,000
No, no, no, no.

442
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,000
They get the lungs back in there and they track down the bloke that stole them.

443
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,000
They've got the technology to put it all back and sort it all out.

444
00:31:52,000 --> 00:32:01,000
But you get the idea that the doctor is a very proud man when it comes to being able to fix things.

445
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:12,000
It's almost like it was a flaw written into the EMH program that he does have one emotion and it is he has to get something right.

446
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,000
Pride.

447
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,000
Yeah, it's pride. Absolutely.

448
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:23,000
This is one of the few episodes in the entirety of Voyager that I don't mind Kes.

449
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Agreed, actually.

450
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
She acts it very well.

451
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:32,000
I do wonder if a lot of Kes's problems are if you wrote Neelix out, would Kes have been a better character?

452
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Yeah.

453
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,000
Because she always ends up playing second fiddle to Neelix.

454
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
I don't like Neelix, therefore I don't like Kes.

455
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
Yeah.

456
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:48,000
Now, something happened in this scene that I really hate in all Star Trek and all Star Trek does it.

457
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,000
And that is Captain Janeway for once.

458
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,000
So every Star Trek does this, yeah?

459
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:03,000
The doctor explains something super complicated scientifically.

460
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,000
Yep.

461
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:17,000
Or it could be that they are in the astrophysics unit and there's seven of nine and she's explaining something super, super detailed about astrophysics.

462
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:24,000
Or they could be in engineering and you've got Bielanna Torres and she's talking about something super, super physically.

463
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:29,000
Every fucking captain seems to know everything under the sun and it's such bullshit.

464
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000
I'm sorry. I hate that.

465
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,000
You would have your specialisms.

466
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Fine. You would be a specialist in, oh, I'm a captain but previously I used to be an engineer.

467
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,000
Like Scotty.

468
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Yeah.

469
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000
I was an engineer all my life.

470
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:50,000
If he was a captain, he would know everything about engineering but you wouldn't expect him to know everything about astrophysics and or being a doctor and everything.

471
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,000
Yet Janeway and Picard does this as well.

472
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,000
They always seem to know everything about what's going on.

473
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,000
So the doctor goes, so it's all to do with the molecular problem.

474
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,000
And Janeway's like, so it's just like this and then starts raining off.

475
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000
It's like, oh, we don't actually need anyone, do we?

476
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,000
We just need Janeway on the ship.

477
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,000
Yeah.

478
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Or we just need Picard on board.

479
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,000
Yeah, exactly.

480
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,460
And then the

481
00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:14,000
movie says something to her and she's like, oh, flattery gets you nowhere.

482
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,000
And I wrote, yes, it fucking does.

483
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Flattery gets you everywhere.

484
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,000
Oh, it does with Janeway.

485
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,000
Yeah.

486
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000
I've literally wrote, you're a liar.

487
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,000
We know flattery is your jam.

488
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,000
And by the way, where is Tom?

489
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,000
As in where is Tom Parris?

490
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,000
I wrote, I bet he's still cuffed to her bed.

491
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,000
He's in the sex dungeon.

492
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,000
He's in the sex dungeon.

493
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000
I don't know if he's in the entire episode.

494
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000
I'm sure we get a glance of him but I don't think he's in much of it at all.

495
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,000
You know what?

496
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,000
He's in the ready room with his wife.

497
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000
He's in the ready room with his wife.

498
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,000
He's in the ready room with his wife.

499
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:52,000
He's in the ready room with his wife.

500
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,000
He's actually a background character for once.

501
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,000
He's too busy to be chained up in a bloody room.

502
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,900
Yeah, I think I've heard a lot of people say, oh, he's a bit of a

503
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:01,900
different character.

504
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:05,000
But I'm sure you've heard like Tim Russ or Ethan Phillips to have played.

505
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,000
No, I'm glad.

506
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,000
I'm glad it's a different actor entirely.

507
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,000
Snap.

508
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,000
Because that leans into what I think is right.

509
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
And that is this is a new being.

510
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,000
And I think I wrote my notes later on when it comes up.

511
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000
Neelix and Tuvix are dead.

512
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Sorry, Neelix and Tuvok in my eyes are dead.

513
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000
No, I agree.

514
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
That's 100 percent.

515
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,000
They have died in a transporter accident.

516
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,000
That is the end of it for that.

517
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,000
That sort of side of it.

518
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000
And everyone now should be grieving the loss of their friends.

519
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,000
And that's it.

520
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,000
What if the doctor had come back and said there is no fix for this?

521
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,000
Well, he does.

522
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000
He basically does say that.

523
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
But they keep fucking around.

524
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Until they find a fix.

525
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,000
But my point, yeah, OK, let's say two months down the line and the doctor still

526
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,000
hasn't found a fix.

527
00:35:53,000 --> 00:36:00,000
When does the captain do the log to say I must send a note to Tuvok's family?

528
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,000
We don't care about Neelix's family.

529
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,000
We'll just throw an envelope out in space and hopefully someone will pick it up

530
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000
that knows him.

531
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,000
We're sorry, but he died in the line of duty.

532
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,000
Right.

533
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,000
OK.

534
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,000
That would be fairly immediate if it was any other crew member.

535
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:21,000
So let's say it takes them 10 years to find a solution.

536
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,000
And they're still going through the Delta Quadrant.

537
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Right.

538
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000
Ten years.

539
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,000
At this point, Tuvok's has found a relationship with maybe Kes.

540
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000
They've had a child.

541
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000
And suddenly you come along and say, oh, we can fix you.

542
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,000
We can fix you.

543
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,000
I don't want to be fixed.

544
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,000
I've been alive for 10 years old with my 12-year-old wife.

545
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:49,000
I always forget that she's literally one year old at this point.

546
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,000
And it's fully accepted that she's with him.

547
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,000
Yeah, exactly.

548
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,000
And it's grim.

549
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,000
When's the cutoff date that everyone's going to accept it?

550
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,000
And Janeway at this point cannot turn it around.

551
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,000
What's the cutoff?

552
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000
But it should have been immediately.

553
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000
In my book, it should have been immediate.

554
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Because we are now, she does a Captain's Dog, we're now two weeks later.

555
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,000
Yes.

556
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000
And you want to know the star date?

557
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,000
I wrote it down.

558
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Oh, go on then.

559
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,000
What's the star date?

560
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,000
49678.4.

561
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,000
Now, I wanted to restart the episode and see what the star date was.

562
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,000
Because if she says the star date, the star, so then I could actually understand what star dates are.

563
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Yeah, I still don't understand.

564
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000
What's two weeks in the star date?

565
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,000
Yeah, 49678.4.

566
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,000
Yeah, I'll never understand the whole star date thing.

567
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,000
It's very, very odd.

568
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000
So April 5th, 2063.

569
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000
No, this is first contact star date.

570
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,000
I'm just seeing if we can match it to Captain's Log star date.

571
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,000
Oh, it is.

572
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,000
So 49678.4 is where we're at.

573
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,000
And Captain's Log star date 50893.5.

574
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000
So first contact is after their birth.

575
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,000
No, it can't be.

576
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,000
49, or it depends how long it's 49 to 50.

577
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Well, exactly, we don't know what that is.

578
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,000
I wouldn't be guessing Voyager's still missing then in first contact.

579
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Well, that's just understanding what 49, because that's not a year.

580
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,000
We have to understand how long a year is in star dates.

581
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000
That's very true.

582
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,000
We do.

583
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000
And who knows?

584
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:36,000
Oh my God, this is all very, very...

585
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,000
There's an advert there for True Detective.

586
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000
The great series, everybody.

587
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:50,000
So yes, Star Trek first contact 50893.5, Voyager Homestead, Voyager the Gif, Dark Frontier.

588
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:56,000
So the earliest Voyager star date they've got here is 40840.

589
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,000
So it looks like maybe one...

590
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000
I couldn't tell you then.

591
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,000
It makes no sense.

592
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,000
It makes no sense to me at all.

593
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,000
And I think we're just padding time that we don't need to.

594
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,000
We know this is going to go on for a long, long time.

595
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,000
So anyway, back...

596
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,000
So they're in the ready room.

597
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,000
Loads of them are sat around the table.

598
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,000
This is actually where Paris is.

599
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,000
And this is where we first hear the term symbiosis...

600
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Was it symbiogenesis or something?

601
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000
Symbiogenesis.

602
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,000
Oh, God damn it.

603
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Symbiogenesis.

604
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,000
Yeah.

605
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Yes.

606
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000
Which is there to...

607
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Good luck, Simon, because that's going to be one of your words.

608
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:42,000
Yeah, the idea is that you've got two life forms as one.

609
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,000
Did you notice...

610
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,000
So she is flirting fucking heavily with everyone in that room.

611
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,000
Always.

612
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000
She stands up as they all do.

613
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,000
I think Tuvik stands up and kind of talks and stuff.

614
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,000
I really hate that in a conference time.

615
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Imagine you being at work having a conference and you're around a conference.

616
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
So does your boss stand up and start walking around?

617
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
And we all take turns and stand up to talk.

618
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Simon, it's your turn to make a point.

619
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,000
You're not just standing up and start walking around the table and put your hands on someone's shoulders.

620
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Because that's the kind of vibe I get.

621
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Particularly with Void.

622
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
They didn't do it in the next gen.

623
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,000
They didn't do it.

624
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,000
Everyone sat at that table.

625
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000
No, no, no.

626
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000
Rikers sat backwards on a chair or with his leg up.

627
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,000
Everyone's too scared to stand up in case they've got those of his dust all over their shoulders.

628
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,000
I'm not standing up because how can we beat perfection?

629
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:33,000
Now, I know it's probably just a filming thing. They want the characters to sit in a...

630
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,000
It's about giving movement on screen and making it interesting to look at as well as listen to.

631
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,000
Also, whether they filmed it in 16 by 9 or 4 by 3, they stand so close.

632
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
Their faces are really close.

633
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000
I'm just like, he can smell her breath.

634
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,000
She wants him to.

635
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,000
But don't forget, also Voyager is a small ship in comparison to the Enterprise.

636
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Even though it's so small that you have to be touching noses.

637
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,000
Let's come home, kiss. Rub, rub, rub, rub.

638
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,000
I just think Janeway is just such a...

639
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,000
I'm going to say, I don't think she's sexy, but she's a sexy character.

640
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Oh, yeah.

641
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,000
I don't find her particularly sexy, but I think she is a sexy character.

642
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,000
No, but she emotes it, doesn't she?

643
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,000
I think she does, yeah.

644
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,000
I've also got a point here.

645
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,000
I'm thinking this probably happened maybe a scene back.

646
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Tuvik says, oh, no, it is around before the two-week bit because he's saying,

647
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000
well, I can be at tactical.

648
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,000
And Janeway is pushing towards, I just want you in the galley because I can hide you there.

649
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,000
Go on, hide you in the galley.

650
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Yeah.

651
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,000
No, I've got all my security knowledge still.

652
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,000
So they accept it and there must be a place for me.

653
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,000
I've written here horribly in the incinerator.

654
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,000
Yeah.

655
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,000
And they're talking about fixing him, air quotes.

656
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,000
And I think it hasn't clicked in his head that fixing him would kill him.

657
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,000
No, it hasn't.

658
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,000
Because he's willing to help.

659
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,000
And I think it hasn't quite yet dawned on him.

660
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,000
But he's just willing to be this new creation, isn't he?

661
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Yeah.

662
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,000
Now, I've got here.

663
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,000
Oh, I've got a comment on the bridge, but anyway, go on.

664
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,000
Oh, no, no, go on.

665
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,000
When you see, what's the first officer called again?

666
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
I can't remember his bloody name.

667
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,000
Oh, Jackoff.

668
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,000
Jackoff.

669
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,000
Chackate.

670
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Chackate.

671
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000
Chackate.

672
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,000
When he sits.

673
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Chackate.

674
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,000
Sorry.

675
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,000
That's something because I know how to say it and you always get it wrong, but you remember

676
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,000
it.

677
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,000
Chackate.

678
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,000
When he sits down and the console comes down, that big massive console.

679
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,000
Do you notice how slow and sluggish it was coming down?

680
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,000
I just wrote, that's impractical.

681
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,000
Why can't they just be there the whole time?

682
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Why does it have to stow away?

683
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,000
It's not in anyone's way.

684
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,000
Is it?

685
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Whose way is it in?

686
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,000
And to be fair, you're in this world, they've all got little pads.

687
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Yeah.

688
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Why are they just carrying around a pad?

689
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,800
It's like, I'm sat in this chair, so it's now pulled up all the information that this

690
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:56,920
chair entails.

691
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,000
I feel like that's probably how it would work.

692
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,000
Exactly.

693
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,000
It's like, I'm sitting in the captain chair.

694
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Boom.

695
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,000
Captain mode.

696
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,000
I'm sat in the first officer's chair.

697
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,000
Porn.

698
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Oh dear.

699
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,000
Rykel was sat here last.

700
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,000
Oh dear.

701
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:17,000
So then we've get to the bit where Tuvix goes and becomes a sex pest.

702
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Yeah.

703
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000
And yeah, I kind of got...

704
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,000
He's creepy as fuck, I feel here.

705
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,000
I carry Neelix spunk in me.

706
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,000
It's all of yours, Kez.

707
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Come on, come on.

708
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,000
Have me, Kez.

709
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,000
Go on.

710
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,000
Have me.

711
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Have me.

712
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,000
Have sex with me, Kez.

713
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,000
I think he isn't...

714
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,000
He's not...

715
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,000
He's obviously got Neelix's feelings.

716
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,000
Yes.

717
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,000
But he's not using Tuvix's...

718
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,000
He's not using Tuvix's...

719
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:49,240
Well, unless Tuvix's going through Pomfah, which is the whole vulcan puberty thing.

720
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:53,320
Because there's no logic here, that he has no understanding that actually, Kez, it's

721
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,000
only two weeks since her best friend, boyfriend, whatever they are, died.

722
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,000
Only two weeks.

723
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,400
Yeah, and he's now like, Kez, I've got feelings for you.

724
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,400
I want you.

725
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:09,720
And it's like, don't you get how creepy that is, that not only are you part of her dead

726
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:15,560
lover, but you're also part of her best friend in Tuvok, because Kez and Tuvok are very close

727
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,080
in the series.

728
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,800
And it's basically what you're saying is, am I talking to Neelix, or does Tuvok want

729
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,200
to give me one as well?

730
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,400
Because that gets even more confusing then.

731
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,960
Yeah, and I don't think Neelix is attractive, but he certainly isn't.

732
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:30,960
No.

733
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:31,960
Not with that hair.

734
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:32,960
That odd hair.

735
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,960
They've got odd strands of hair.

736
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,960
All of it.

737
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:41,000
And even, I know I said that about Neelix, but even Tuvok's just look greasy.

738
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,000
Yeah.

739
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,480
It's just the shine of the makeup, but he just looks gross.

740
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,800
Yeah, and he kind of, and he touches her, doesn't he, and he kisses her.

741
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,880
And I just think, I don't like any of this.

742
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,760
He needs to be me too, for that scene.

743
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:57,960
He really does.

744
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,440
The computer just needs to ping up saying, security to this room please, because he's

745
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,440
just touched her up.

746
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,600
I was not happy with it at all.

747
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,040
So uncomfortable.

748
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:13,440
Playing on this grieving woman's heartstrings, trying to worm his way in.

749
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,320
I did not like it.

750
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,320
And then eventually saying to her as well, not just then saying, by the way, I fancy

751
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,160
you and I think we should make a go of this, blah, blah, blah.

752
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,440
But then going to her and going, can you please go to Janeway and say that you'd like me to

753
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,240
stay as this please?

754
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,680
I just think that's so out of order.

755
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:38,000
Yeah, I think what it is, is I think they're trying to make it show that he still has feelings

756
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,600
for her, because Nelix had feelings for her.

757
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:45,080
But they played it as in like, he just expects her to be the same.

758
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:50,080
Yeah, he expects her to just bend over and just accept what's going on.

759
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,160
Yeah, as soon as I've said it, it's the wrong thing to say.

760
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,440
I mean, it would have fit with his attitude.

761
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:02,640
Like, he really should have gone, look, I'm really struggling with how to compartmentalise

762
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,640
our relationship.

763
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,720
I'm part Nelix, part Tuvok.

764
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,120
I have got feelings for you like Nelix said.

765
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,240
I don't know how to act around you.

766
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:18,320
You clearly aren't ready for my company because you're grieving.

767
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,320
They do do this eventually.

768
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,280
I really think that even though this is going to really hurt my feelings, I think it's the

769
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,480
right thing to do for us going forward, is we need to stay apart from each other until

770
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,240
you've had time to work out what's going on in your head and I haven't had time to work

771
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,240
out mine too.

772
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:37,280
As that leads on to the captain's log, doesn't it, where she's saying he's integrated with

773
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:44,040
the crew now and he's surprisingly, the Tuvok part of him can actually cook, so it's actually

774
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,480
better in the galley than it's ever been.

775
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,800
But he takes his security duties just as seriously and I've still got my tactical officer, blah,

776
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:51,800
blah, blah.

777
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,480
But the bit I particularly didn't like was after the whole sex pest thing, I've got written

778
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,080
here Kez go to HR or Janeway.

779
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,920
Oh no, no, Janeway says it's fine.

780
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,120
The whole Janeway speech there is you've got to understand he's going through changes as

781
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,120
well.

782
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,280
Yeah, I understand that.

783
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,720
That doesn't entitle him to come up to me and basically shame me into wanting to have

784
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:24,000
sex with him and be with him because he's half the person I used to be with.

785
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,080
Janeway should have really gone, I'll have a word with him and then like you said, you

786
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,520
need to give Kez the distance.

787
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,520
They could have done that.

788
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,160
That could have been written in really nicely of Janeway just walking through the ship with

789
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:43,920
him and just saying, you've got to remember you are an individual now.

790
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,040
You're not the two individuals you were and you need to give them space.

791
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:53,360
Then go into that Captain's Log saying he's really thrown himself into life on the ship.

792
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,480
He's becoming a crew member.

793
00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:00,280
For all we know that was in there, but for her to have ever admitted that before the

794
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,760
thing that she does later is even more incriminating for her, right?

795
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:11,000
I think that would have actually made it better because it would show that she's not just

796
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:16,160
considered her feelings and what everyone else has and the fact that she wants her two

797
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:21,200
crew people back, but that she's also considered that yes, I've accepted that this is a individual

798
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,960
as well.

799
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:30,360
I think they could have done with that actually to show that she was a proper emotional turmoil

800
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,880
from it because honestly, when we get there, I don't think you get that much turmoil from

801
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,880
her.

802
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:36,880
No.

803
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,640
You don't get the feeling that she's absolutely broken from it.

804
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,080
She plays very stoically.

805
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,800
She does.

806
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,680
Because I think that maybe she just doesn't want to show it to the crew because you can

807
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:54,840
see the crew are really a bit like, what do we do?

808
00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:01,000
They're all on the bridge looking to her and she's like, I've got to be the one to just

809
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,000
do this.

810
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,000
Absolutely.

811
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,960
There's a bit I've written as well.

812
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,160
When they've done that whole chat and she's going on about how he's integrated into the

813
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:15,440
crew, I've got here, realistically, no one actually misses the original two characters.

814
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,280
Neelix, he's a pain in the eye.

815
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,320
I don't like his character.

816
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,640
We all know I don't like his character, but even most of the ship don't particularly like

817
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:24,640
him.

818
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,720
You look at how short and shrift everyone is with him across the entire crew.

819
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:31,700
He can't cook.

820
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:35,640
No one likes his cooking, but they've got to put up with it because the replicators

821
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,320
are all fucked.

822
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,280
And then even Tuvok, no one really likes Tuvok.

823
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:46,560
And actually when I think about it, I wouldn't have been sad to see his character go.

824
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:47,920
He's not half Vulcan, is he?

825
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,000
He's full Vulcan.

826
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,000
He's full Vulcan.

827
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,000
Yeah.

828
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,840
Vulcans aren't likable anyway.

829
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:55,840
They are.

830
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:56,840
Yeah.

831
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,440
If you go by what the Vulcans are, and Enterprise does it very well when we get onto an Enterprise

832
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,040
episode, they hate the Vulcans.

833
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,640
And it's actually really well done.

834
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,440
And it gives you a good idea of why they do it.

835
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,160
And they make the Vulcans unlikable.

836
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,280
Except for T'Pau who is on the Enterprise.

837
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,560
And there's a whole different story.

838
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,000
But I just kind of, for me, I wouldn't have cared if Tim Russ's character disappeared.

839
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:27,800
I wouldn't have cared if Tuvok disappeared because as much as he is useful in a lot of

840
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:33,160
the episodes and you get a lot of narrative between him and Kez and other characters,

841
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,760
it's not one I would have missed.

842
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:35,760
Yeah.

843
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,440
And I think that having a...

844
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,760
Oh fuck, I've instantly forgotten what race he was.

845
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,160
I'm right to the mind blank.

846
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,160
Tuvok.

847
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,160
A Vulcan.

848
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,160
A Vulcan.

849
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,880
Having a Vulcan in the tactical position is quite good.

850
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:51,880
Yeah.

851
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,880
And it makes a bit more logical sense than having a Klingon on a tactical.

852
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,040
And I don't know if that kind of...

853
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,040
Kind of...

854
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,040
Yeah, Klingon.

855
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,040
Jesus.

856
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,200
Blow it up!

857
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,240
It's a friendly ship, Mr. Wharf.

858
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:05,240
Wharf.

859
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:06,240
Turn the shields off.

860
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:07,240
Turn off the torpedoes.

861
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,240
Okay, Captain, I'm sorry.

862
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:12,640
Wharf works because of the other crew members around him.

863
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,800
Imagine having him with Janeway.

864
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:21,640
I do wonder if we got a Vulcan on Voyager because TNG didn't have one.

865
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:27,720
And the original series had a Vulcan, TNG didn't, Voyager...

866
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:29,320
We should have had a Vulcan.

867
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:34,160
It was almost like a requirement, so let's have a Vulcan back.

868
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,760
But then for Deep Space Nine they didn't, but for Enterprise they did.

869
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,680
Do they have one on Discovery?

870
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,480
I think they've got one on Discovery.

871
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:44,600
Have they?

872
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,040
Not on the bridge crew, I don't think.

873
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,040
But somewhere.

874
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,040
There are recurring characters.

875
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,080
To be fair, TNG, there's a couple of...

876
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,800
It's alternating.

877
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,640
There's a couple of background characters that they have.

878
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,600
There's definitely a couple of them are.

879
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:05,220
There's that terrible episode where Wesley Krusher's in charge and he's basically stressing

880
00:52:05,220 --> 00:52:11,160
that older people aren't going to do what he says and one of them's a Vulcan.

881
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,440
When you get Ensign Roe turned up and they're all talking about their...

882
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,240
Are they going to get promotions?

883
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:20,960
And one of them is a Vulcan.

884
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,280
So there are Vulcans on it, but I'm talking about main crew members.

885
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,480
This is a different Ensign Roe than what we're familiar with.

886
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,480
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

887
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:28,720
This one can do shit.

888
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:30,400
She turns up back in Picard, remember?

889
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,400
As a lady.

890
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,400
But anyway, so...

891
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:33,400
Oh, it's her.

892
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:34,400
Yeah, sorry.

893
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,400
Yeah, it's her.

894
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:43,600
Right, anyway, Kez has actually gone to Janeway for another nearly 10 minute long sexy scene.

895
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:44,600
Yes.

896
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:45,600
And how often...

897
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:46,600
So I've made a comment here.

898
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,440
How often did you see the male captains in bed robes?

899
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,640
Quite often with Picard.

900
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,080
That looks that glorious, though.

901
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,560
Picard were the one that would literally...

902
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,120
If it was a woman...

903
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,120
Oh no, you're right.

904
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,120
He did.

905
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,760
If it was a warm set, you would have seen testicle with Picard.

906
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,400
Oh, but he had a really good chest.

907
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:04,400
I talked about that, didn't I?

908
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:05,400
He did.

909
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,400
I didn't want to know why not.

910
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,400
He's quite attractive, so...

911
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:08,400
He is...

912
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,400
He is the gilf in NTNG.

913
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,400
Gilf!

914
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:19,880
I remember, I never would have used the term gilf for Picard, but you're right.

915
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,080
He's the granddad I'd like to fuck.

916
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,080
Yeah.

917
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,080
Yeah, I'm thinking you're right.

918
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:33,040
I know it's a TV show, but she's got a lot of makeup on for a bird who's just been in

919
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,040
bed.

920
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,040
True.

921
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,040
True.

922
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,240
I'm not going anywhere after having the friendship chat with Kes.

923
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:43,520
So after he's finally accepted that...

924
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,900
I said the wrong thing, and he goes back to Kes and says about, I just want to be friends

925
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:51,480
and just get on with our lives then.

926
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,840
He says that fateful thing, I'm not going anywhere.

927
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,200
Oh yes you are.

928
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,960
As soon as any character says that in anything, you know they're about to die somehow.

929
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:02,960
Yeah.

930
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,760
It's just guaranteed.

931
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,840
It is a full on Hollywood formula, isn't it?

932
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,460
You have someone on screen, they say, don't worry, I'm not going anywhere for a long time.

933
00:54:12,460 --> 00:54:17,200
You can guarantee the next scene, they're going to have got shot or stabbed in the side,

934
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,360
and it's that typical lore of they must hide it until an hour later where they open their

935
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:26,600
coat and the person goes, oh my god you're bleeding, and they slowly die.

936
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,720
That's exactly the case here, isn't it, with good old 2vix.

937
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,720
I'm not going anywhere.

938
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:37,120
Literally the next scene, the doctor has worked out how to fix all of this.

939
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,600
I have a problem with this scene.

940
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,320
The doctor video calls Dirty Kim.

941
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,560
Dirty Kim, he only wants to do a video call with him, so he calls him up and asks him

942
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:48,560
to do it.

943
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,280
Dirty Kim walks up to the video screen.

944
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,100
Now rather than sit in front of it, he stands in front of it.

945
00:54:54,100 --> 00:55:01,400
Now this video screen is at groin level to Dirty Kim, but if you look at the doctor,

946
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,280
he's looking up at Dirty Kim.

947
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:09,800
Now the webcam will be looking straight at Dirty Kim's groin.

948
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,580
And from the doctor's perspective, he's just looking at a monitor, it's not a hologram

949
00:55:14,580 --> 00:55:16,560
of Kim that he'll see.

950
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,520
Imagine if you and me are doing a webcam and our webcams are at different height.

951
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:26,000
I'm not looking ever at your eye line, I'm looking at the screen of where I see you.

952
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:31,120
So for you, I won't be looking in your eyes.

953
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:37,080
Unless I look directly at the camera, then it'll look like I'm looking at you, but only

954
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,720
if you're sat directly in front of your screen.

955
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:45,520
So why is the doctor looking up towards Kim's face?

956
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,320
I've got no idea.

957
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:49,720
It doesn't make any sense.

958
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:50,720
I haven't even tweaked that.

959
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:51,720
You're right.

960
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:56,160
Watch that scene again and you see that threw me off because it's like he wouldn't be doing

961
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,160
that.

962
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,280
No, I think you're absolutely right there.

963
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,280
Yeah.

964
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,680
That's really weird.

965
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:04,920
I just found that really odd.

966
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:09,680
It just kind of made me not concentrate properly on that scene because I was just trying to

967
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:14,200
figure out in what scenario would the doctor be looking in that way.

968
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,720
Surely he'd actually go, can you just sit down so I can see your face?

969
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:20,400
I'm just a bit bored of looking at your groin, Kim.

970
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,480
Dirty Kim by name and by nature.

971
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:28,880
Unless there is some super technology that does angle cameras around.

972
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,760
Well probably, but let's assume not because it's funnier.

973
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:38,680
So the next notes I've got now is to do with him saying that he's sentient and then going

974
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:44,080
on about how I was going about, well, you could consider them, they should be dead from

975
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,120
the accident like we were chatting about earlier.

976
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,400
There's another tick off for molecular bingo.

977
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,200
Molecular bingo indeed, yes.

978
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,000
And then you've got Kez turning up saying, I'm here to talk to you about two vicks.

979
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,200
I want you to kill him.

980
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,480
And I'll talk about the next bit in a moment.

981
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,000
I've got a comment about the pool table.

982
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,000
This is where we are, weren't we?

983
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,000
We're playing pool.

984
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,000
Yes.

985
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,000
Yeah.

986
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,000
Okay.

987
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,000
Yeah.

988
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,000
That was it.

989
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,000
It's just got to that point.

990
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,000
Yes.

991
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,440
So did you notice that everyone either has uniform or bedwear, but nothing in between?

992
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:18,640
They're all there, unless they're on a break.

993
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,600
Everyone there is in their uniform.

994
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,680
It's where your pajamas to work day.

995
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,600
Everyone has to put one credit into the pot.

996
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,680
They've got holograms in there, clearly holograms because they're all in the...

997
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,440
Well, yeah, they're in the bar in the holosuit.

998
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,120
Everyone else is in their uniform.

999
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,120
Yeah.

1000
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,120
It's funny.

1001
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:43,400
Pardon me, the things that you don't pick up that the other person does.

1002
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,640
I hadn't even thought about that.

1003
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:45,640
You're right.

1004
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:46,640
Yeah.

1005
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:47,640
So you've got people either, if they're in uniform...

1006
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,680
Maybe they're on lunch break.

1007
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,680
That makes sense.

1008
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,640
They're in their uniform because they're just on lunch break.

1009
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:53,640
Yeah.

1010
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,600
And then everything's synth a hole, so it's not like they're going to get drunk.

1011
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,280
It's like, yeah, I had 12 beers.

1012
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,280
Hey, Jackoff, I had 12 beers.

1013
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,280
I'm on the bridge.

1014
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,280
Yeah.

1015
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:02,280
But there's no alcohol.

1016
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,360
But on lunch breaks, do you go as a group and play pool?

1017
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,640
No, you probably go have yourself something to eat, maybe just chat at a table.

1018
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:11,640
Maybe you do go play pool.

1019
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,400
I've been in businesses where...

1020
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,360
Not necessarily gone and played pool, but I've been in a business or a company I used

1021
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,040
to work for called Veebra down in Park Street.

1022
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:26,280
And on a Friday, we all used to have lunch at the same time and we'd go to the Red Line

1023
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,400
pub in Radley.

1024
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:30,400
And we'd all have lunch.

1025
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,640
And yeah, if there'd been a pool day, we would have probably paid pool.

1026
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:39,200
But no, it depends on the work group and I would imagine the lower decks on lunch would

1027
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,200
go and play pool.

1028
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,400
Yeah, I guess you're right.

1029
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,400
Yeah.

1030
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,400
It depends who you are.

1031
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:49,840
Yet if you were Geordie, you'd probably be off programming some sort of dirty sex experience

1032
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,640
where you're trying to lay your next victim.

1033
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,000
If you're a Wesley Crusher, you're just going to be a geek and go and do some homework on

1034
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,320
your lunch.

1035
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,800
So yeah, I think it's dependent on the people.

1036
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:01,800
Yeah.

1037
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:02,800
Okay.

1038
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:08,160
But now we're really at the point, aren't we, that everyone is saying, he's sentient,

1039
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,320
but we want you to kill him.

1040
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:11,920
Yeah.

1041
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,600
It's got around the ship because everyone is now staring at him.

1042
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:23,040
And this is, I'm pretty sure this is the same actor you were talking about when Janeway

1043
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:28,840
says to Tuvix, I need to think, I need to come up with a decision and I'll tell you

1044
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:29,840
when I have it.

1045
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,280
And that's a horrible thing to do.

1046
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,280
Yeah.

1047
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,680
So I think you've said, I need to come up with a decision right now.

1048
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:40,520
I'm assigning you to quarters because I don't know what to do.

1049
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,320
And that is going to mentally fuck with you.

1050
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,680
So I can't trust you to be on a bridge or doing anything really important.

1051
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,840
Well, I think he uses the term execution here.

1052
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:50,840
He does.

1053
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:51,840
Yes.

1054
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:52,840
And he's totally right.

1055
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,320
This is her planning his execution.

1056
00:59:55,320 --> 01:00:00,800
And in my opinion, the execution has already happened and that was the teleporter accident.

1057
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,160
But it wasn't an execution.

1058
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,240
It was an accident.

1059
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,480
But those two people are lost.

1060
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,480
They are gone.

1061
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:14,640
And I think, I really think it's because it's over two weeks now, everyone needs to have

1062
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,920
come to the realization that this has happened.

1063
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,280
They're dead.

1064
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,080
This is something that's happened and now they have a new person.

1065
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,080
100%.

1066
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,720
And it's really shitty that Janeway hasn't dealt with that.

1067
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:34,000
As if that had been anyone else, if that had been one person lost in the transporter accident,

1068
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:39,600
there would have been the very next day a torpedo shell with his remains, gooey as whatever

1069
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:45,400
it is, fired off with everyone stood by it and Amazing Grace being played by some random

1070
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,240
bloke on a bagpipe yet again.

1071
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:54,280
Now she shoots herself in the foot with her own logic here by saying to Tuvix that does

1072
01:00:54,280 --> 01:01:00,320
he not want to give up his life to save another person's life?

1073
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:06,000
Because I know that my friends Tuvix and Tuvok and Neelix would give up their lives to save

1074
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,000
another.

1075
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,600
It was like, well, there's your point.

1076
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,520
They would give up their lives to save Tuvix.

1077
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,760
So why should he give up his life to save them?

1078
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,720
Okay, it's two for one.

1079
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:18,720
I understand.

1080
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,040
We're going to buy maths of people.

1081
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,040
Fine.

1082
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,120
But again, they're dead.

1083
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:32,920
So yeah, I guess what you, she could have full on gone Spock with the needs of the many

1084
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,200
outweigh the need of the few.

1085
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:35,200
That's the argument.

1086
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:36,200
Or the one even.

1087
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,560
That's the argument.

1088
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,680
And that is the argument.

1089
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:49,840
But I guess the way I would look at it is, and it's a horrible decision to be in, is

1090
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:57,160
we accept that their bodies are dead, but can you call someone dead when Tuvix full

1091
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:04,360
on says at the beginning of the episode that Neelix and Tuvok are still there?

1092
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,720
Well he says their memories are there.

1093
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:07,720
Does he say their memories?

1094
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:13,080
Because I get the idea that he's struggling to be one or the other before he eventually

1095
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,040
falls in the middle of them instead.

1096
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:24,280
I think he says something like they're there, he's there, but also I'm there.

1097
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:25,560
But that's the point.

1098
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,280
They are there.

1099
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:36,280
So drawing the line and saying they're dead, yes, but if they are actually present in his

1100
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,760
brain and he has just basically got the control of being able to say...

1101
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:45,840
He does say specifically that I think Kez asks him, even the Kez of the Doctor, saying

1102
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,600
about are they in there?

1103
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,200
And he says they're not in there and he's controlling them.

1104
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,120
They do make that distinction right in the beginning.

1105
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:55,120
Right, fine.

1106
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,120
Okay.

1107
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:57,280
So ultimately then you're absolutely right.

1108
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:02,840
Yes, he might have the memories of them, but ultimately they died on the transporter pad.

1109
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:03,880
That is the end of it.

1110
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:10,320
They should have had a full on Starfleet funeral and that should have been the end of it.

1111
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,640
There shouldn't be any point of the spot.

1112
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:20,520
Even if they work out how to fix it, the answer is it's Tuvik's choice at that point.

1113
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:21,520
And this now is what...

1114
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,800
You've assigned him a job, you've assigned him quarters, you've allowed him to live a

1115
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,480
life.

1116
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,760
If you weren't going to allow him to live a life and say...

1117
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:29,760
He should have been in stasis.

1118
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,280
He should have been stuck in the brig, in stasis, in quarters.

1119
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:34,360
In the buffer.

1120
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:35,360
Not allowed...

1121
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:36,360
Stick him in the buffer.

1122
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,360
He'd like to stick it in Kez's buffer.

1123
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1124
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:49,200
But he shouldn't have been allowed to go and live with the rest of the crew until a full

1125
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,960
on decision had been made.

1126
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:51,960
Absolutely.

1127
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,960
And that's it, isn't it?

1128
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:58,040
And once that decision has been made, they need to say to the doctor, stop.

1129
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,320
Yeah, don't look into this anymore.

1130
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,120
Although I don't think the doctor would have stopped, but I think at that point you go,

1131
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:08,000
officially we need to say, we're not going to change this now.

1132
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,000
This is it.

1133
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,580
He's here.

1134
01:04:10,580 --> 01:04:17,160
If you do, maybe if you do find a solution, then that's going to come down to Tuvix to

1135
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:21,960
make the decision himself, whether he wants to separate himself to bring them back.

1136
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:23,240
We're no longer in control of that.

1137
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:28,840
We can't take this sentient being and force them to die.

1138
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:29,840
Quite right.

1139
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:30,840
Absolutely.

1140
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:31,840
You can't.

1141
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,480
This bridge scene is the best scene in the episode, the best part of the episode, where

1142
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:43,080
he is fighting for his life and seeing how, and he's pleading to everyone on the bridge

1143
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,000
to not let it happen.

1144
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:50,080
Before that, so he comes out of Janeway's office and it's almost like Janeway has basically

1145
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:55,360
already been on the comms badge to everyone going, just let you know.

1146
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,360
So this happens.

1147
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:01,920
So when HR are going to fire someone, a department head hears, then they go off the HR meeting

1148
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:07,160
and that manager basically then messages everyone on teams and goes, look, it's really shitty,

1149
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,240
but this person is going to come out in a very bad mood because we're letting them down.

1150
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,240
They've been made redundant or they've been fired because they're shit.

1151
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:18,560
They're not going to meet their six month period or whatever it is.

1152
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:22,000
They're going to come out not very happy.

1153
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,960
It's almost like Janeway's done that.

1154
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,400
She calls him in for the meeting and then he comes out and straight away all the bridge

1155
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,960
crew are just looking at him.

1156
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,600
This is when we get to the end, so I'll call it down as Ensign Ricky, but I'm pretty sure

1157
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:37,560
it is Lieutenant Hogan in this point.

1158
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:44,560
He turns and he looks at Jackate and says, basically with his eyes, do you want me to

1159
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,080
let him have the security console?

1160
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:51,560
As I bear in mind, we've just been told for the past two weeks, he's been working it.

1161
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,040
So why are you being like this now unless you know he's just been told he's going to

1162
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,320
be executed?

1163
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:01,760
Then he hands it up so much and does the full on eye roll and then walks off.

1164
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,880
It's like, why have you just done that?

1165
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,720
Really Jackate and Paris are both there.

1166
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,560
Like you're saying, they clearly know.

1167
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:16,920
Everyone seems to know that the answer is Janeway's just said, I'm terminating you.

1168
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:21,960
What a character moment this is for him too, where he's actually saying, I forgive all

1169
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,400
of you for this.

1170
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,400
You feel guilty for this.

1171
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:27,400
He's better than I would have been.

1172
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,400
I would have gone kicking and fucking screaming.

1173
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:35,080
I'm surprised he's in straight to tactical and basically lock everything out, transport

1174
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,080
him somewhere to safety.

1175
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:37,080
It's like, see ya.

1176
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,480
That's kind of what I thought he was going to do.

1177
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:40,960
I completely forgot that it didn't happen.

1178
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:41,960
That's kind of what I thought he was going to do.

1179
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,960
I thought he was going to run right.

1180
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:45,440
I know they had security right away.

1181
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,960
He goes to the door to try and run out the bridge, doesn't he?

1182
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,560
And security standing there and manhandle him.

1183
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,200
But I think it's what the issue is.

1184
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:59,920
I think Voyager, this happens quite a lot with Voyager because we saw it in Threshold

1185
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:00,920
as well.

1186
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,760
They've got a brilliant story and it goes really well.

1187
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:10,200
And then they realise we've got literally 10 minutes to sum this story up.

1188
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,400
And suddenly it's all a rush.

1189
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,660
So yeah, suddenly he gets told you're going to die.

1190
01:07:14,660 --> 01:07:18,360
He has this huge emotional plea, which is fantastic.

1191
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:19,360
You're right.

1192
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:26,000
He's genuinely moving, but then he's straight down in the Doctor's and they're like, yeah,

1193
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,000
this is happening.

1194
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,240
Doctor then says, I can't do this.

1195
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,320
It's against my oath, basically, as a Doctor, which is bang on.

1196
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,120
But guess who randomly knows how to do all of the magic?

1197
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:38,120
Jane Weyders.

1198
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:39,120
Jane Weyders has to do it.

1199
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:40,120
Yeah, why wasn't she doing it in the first place?

1200
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:45,240
So I had a little bit of an issue with the scene between those two when they're walking

1201
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,160
him to the Doctor.

1202
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,800
The Doctor, the side of him, she's walking in front of him.

1203
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,920
That seems like a fucking stupid thing for her to be doing.

1204
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,080
For someone that she's basically taken to death row.

1205
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:02,080
Yeah, who could at any minute just vulcan death grip her.

1206
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:03,080
And his security.

1207
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,880
So I'm guessing he may have one of those little tiny, tiny phases on him.

1208
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,360
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1209
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,400
He could easily beat all three of them up.

1210
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:12,400
Oh God, yeah.

1211
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,400
And they're not holding on.

1212
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,680
I know he's going quietly, but he could change his mind.

1213
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,760
At any point, at any point.

1214
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,480
Oh, it's all right.

1215
01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:22,480
The Doctor knows what's what.

1216
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:23,480
He does know what's what.

1217
01:08:23,480 --> 01:08:25,480
I don't remember exactly what I was putting there.

1218
01:08:25,480 --> 01:08:27,800
But that was a note.

1219
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,600
Now so the fix for this.

1220
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:30,600
Oh, oh, oh, oh.

1221
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,920
There's a continuity error.

1222
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:37,720
So the two beds that are there, there's an orange thing on the bed.

1223
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:38,720
Oh, it doesn't move.

1224
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:39,720
Instantly disappears.

1225
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,720
Okay, just want to put that on there.

1226
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,000
Anyone who rewatched that scene, there's an orange thing on the bed, just vanishes.

1227
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:51,040
So the science behind the fix is basically they're going to do what we do now, which

1228
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:55,560
is a barium meal, basically, or barium, whatever the pronunciation is.

1229
01:08:55,560 --> 01:09:00,400
So in current current generation in real life, you drink or you have barium injected.

1230
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,880
And when you go for an x-ray, it shows up where it is.

1231
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:12,200
And it's a it's a it's a contrast die for radio radio radiation kind of scans.

1232
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,760
So yeah, you inject it and then you can see around the body.

1233
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:15,760
Brilliant.

1234
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:21,680
And what they've come up with is a new isotope that they will be able to separate between

1235
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,320
the two bodies and they can teleport it out.

1236
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:25,320
Trek nonsense.

1237
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:26,320
It is Trek nonsense.

1238
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:30,040
So I've got oh shit, we didn't test the isotope on a human-esque person because they've only

1239
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,040
tested on a plant, remember?

1240
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,520
And they've split the plant, not anything else.

1241
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:35,520
Anaphylaxis.

1242
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,640
Oh shit, we've just killed two vix and we've lost both people.

1243
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,640
Yeah, but we've got a real nice orchid.

1244
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:46,400
We've got the orchid back, yay!

1245
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,920
In memorial of Tuvok.

1246
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,280
Whose job do you think would be to water it?

1247
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,280
Would it be in the captain's cabin or would they stick it somewhere?

1248
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,280
Janeway, we have to left it in Janeway's quarters.

1249
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:58,280
Ten forward.

1250
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,800
Oh, it's been knocked over at another rowdy party.

1251
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,200
And you know what, people are carrying it around.

1252
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,160
It has to have a shift on tactical.

1253
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:10,000
It's on the security station.

1254
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,760
Orchid shields.

1255
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,720
Orchid shields.

1256
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:19,960
Orchid, what have you done?

1257
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:28,400
Why have you fired a force winder photo of torpedoes?

1258
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,400
Who's arming the torpedoes?

1259
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,400
Orchid, stop it!

1260
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,400
Oh no, the book.

1261
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,400
It's your kid.

1262
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:45,400
You will be assimilated.

1263
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:56,400
Yeah, but like Weed from Bill and Ben, wouldn't it?

1264
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:57,400
Orchid!

1265
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,400
Right, anyway.

1266
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,160
I'm actually crying.

1267
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,440
They've been separated.

1268
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:07,840
I have a point here.

1269
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:08,840
Should one of them be naked?

1270
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:09,840
Well, yes.

1271
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,200
They probably should both be naked.

1272
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,640
No, they should both be naked.

1273
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:17,640
Because if you think about it.

1274
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:18,640
You are actually crying.

1275
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:19,640
I know, it's wonderful.

1276
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,440
A poor Orchid.

1277
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:25,240
But it's true though, if you think about it.

1278
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:34,520
Unless Tuvix never changed clothes because the clothes he's in was part of his body.

1279
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:35,520
Where have these clothes come from?

1280
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,760
Unless the doctor's gone, oh, we'll just add a little bit of programming here.

1281
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:43,120
Make sure they're not stockpiled naked when they rematerialize as individuals.

1282
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:44,120
They should be naked.

1283
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,400
Or they should be, have half clothes each.

1284
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,400
One has top off and one has bottom.

1285
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,640
If you're going to merge clothes together, then surely you unmerge them when you separate

1286
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:53,640
them.

1287
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:54,640
Absolutely.

1288
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,480
Why are they suddenly in uniform?

1289
01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:04,680
I've got, oh boo Janeway, why couldn't you beam Neelix in space by mistake?

1290
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:05,680
Whoops.

1291
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:10,080
And then who arrests Janeway for murder?

1292
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,600
Oh actually, she looks pretty bummed.

1293
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:13,600
We better let her off.

1294
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:14,600
Yeah.

1295
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,480
I've ended it with grief slash regret.

1296
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:22,920
I think I'm making a point of her face at the end of it.

1297
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:27,320
You can see it's absolutely cut her.

1298
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:33,320
You can, as much as she's stoic, you get the idea that this was a horrible decision to

1299
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:38,760
make, but you don't kind of feel like it was too much of a decision.

1300
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,080
It's really, it's hard to put into words.

1301
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,520
I just kind of feel like it was too easy a decision.

1302
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:49,680
Part of that was obviously the time limit of the episode.

1303
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,240
And as I said, they rush it at the end.

1304
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,280
They tend to do that a lot with the Voyager episodes.

1305
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:58,120
It gets rushed at the end so you don't get necessarily a satisfying conclusion.

1306
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:03,840
And I was just saying here, can you imagine the captain's lock for this episode?

1307
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,840
It would end up in the Hague.

1308
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:06,840
Yeah.

1309
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:07,920
Well this is it.

1310
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,320
She does some questionable things on her time as captain.

1311
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,800
You see, you know the Federation's going to have a court of human rights, will be the

1312
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,800
court of alien rights at this point.

1313
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,840
And it's just like, so Janeway, well done.

1314
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:23,480
You brought your crew on the most part back from the Delta Quadrant.

1315
01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:24,480
Well done.

1316
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:25,800
We've gone through your logs now.

1317
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,480
We've got some questions for you.

1318
01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:32,400
Well you know she makes Admiral, so they clearly don't give a fuck.

1319
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,440
Apparently what happens in the Delta Quadrant stays in the Delta Quadrant?

1320
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:39,440
Different post codes.

1321
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:44,760
Different star dates.

1322
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:50,720
God start for you shit sometimes.

1323
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,440
Accessing USS Shit Show crew member log files.

1324
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:59,040
Please select required crew member.

1325
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,360
Ensign Court selected, commencing playback.

1326
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:06,440
Ensign's log, star date 26239.4.

1327
01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:09,160
The captains assigned me a very special mission.

1328
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,360
Find out where the moisture goes from Holodeck simulations.

1329
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,960
I did ask engineering, but they told me to piss off.

1330
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,240
Guess I'm on my own with this one.

1331
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,200
So how is it?

1332
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:20,200
Wow.

1333
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:21,200
It's a solid episode.

1334
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:23,200
I do like it as an episode.

1335
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:31,760
I don't like Tuvix, but I don't know if I dislike him enough versus Neelix.

1336
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,320
Would I have liked, let me put it this way.

1337
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:39,400
Would you have liked Tuvix to have carried on as a character if they'd chosen not to

1338
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,680
kill him and bring back the other two?

1339
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:45,120
If they'd made him less lechie.

1340
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:46,640
Probably not possible in Star Trek.

1341
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,840
Then the thing is I actually do like Tuvok.

1342
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:50,840
Oh, fair.

1343
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:51,840
Yeah.

1344
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,040
But you see that's what you've got to accept, isn't it?

1345
01:14:54,040 --> 01:15:00,800
You've either got to accept that they're going to do what would be right and let Tuvix live,

1346
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:06,800
but then put up with losing two characters, one of which we like, or do what basically

1347
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:13,840
humanity says you shouldn't do, but bring back the one character that you do like.

1348
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:17,120
What do you think was the correct decision?

1349
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:18,800
What do you think was the correct decision?

1350
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,680
The correct decision would have been let him live.

1351
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:21,680
I agree.

1352
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:27,320
It's yes, you've lost the other two, but they are dead at this point.

1353
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:28,980
They don't exist.

1354
01:15:28,980 --> 01:15:33,520
It's not an accident in the same way as Threshold where Paris is turning into this other creature.

1355
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:34,520
No.

1356
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:35,520
That's different.

1357
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:36,520
He's still himself.

1358
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,440
He has no choice about it and he's still Paris.

1359
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:47,200
Whereas Tuvok and Nelix didn't have the choice, correct, but they are not themselves.

1360
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,200
They are not present.

1361
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,160
They're not going, today I'm Tuvok.

1362
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,320
Oh, by the way, but Nelix is still here.

1363
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:53,880
It is I am one.

1364
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,400
I am Tuvix.

1365
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:01,100
So he is his own independent sentient being.

1366
01:16:01,100 --> 01:16:05,520
It was the wrong choice.

1367
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,720
As I said, what happens in the Delta Quadrant stays in the Delta Quadrant.

1368
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:12,800
Out of curiosity, I don't know why I've written this.

1369
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,800
Imagine being able to spawn in unlimited characters you don't like in Elite Force.

1370
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,820
Who would you kill the most?

1371
01:16:19,820 --> 01:16:23,520
Just because I know Elite Force basically carried on from kind of the Voyager era and

1372
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:24,520
then I know it ended up in-

1373
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:25,520
I would probably be Nelix.

1374
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:26,520
I find him really annoying.

1375
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,080
I would probably be spawning in Nelix nonstop.

1376
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:29,760
Maybe Kez every now and then.

1377
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:30,760
Yeah.

1378
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,680
Setting up a scene where Nelix is running towards Kez and having a go at the sniper

1379
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,840
rival, can I stop him before he gets to her?

1380
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:36,840
That sort of thing.

1381
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,320
Kez though, it's not that I don't like her character.

1382
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:44,440
I think I didn't like the situations and episodes they put her character in.

1383
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:45,440
That's what I didn't like.

1384
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:46,880
The character should have been good.

1385
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,560
She was poorly written for.

1386
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,600
And then they- when she's not in it anyway, it's because she wanted to leave.

1387
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,520
Is it because she wanted to leave or did they wrote her out?

1388
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,120
With Omega, they did that fucked up stuff with her, don't they?

1389
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,440
Which becomes some kind of god or something.

1390
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:04,120
They basically say her race has never got to this age.

1391
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:09,600
Normally the caretaker or whoever it was that was looking after her race eliminates them

1392
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,200
before they ever get to that point.

1393
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,080
Or they have a suicide booth, don't they?

1394
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,000
Or something like that, isn't it?

1395
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:21,400
And actually, if they get past that point, they then move on to the next stage of their

1396
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:26,200
own evolution, which is glowing light that shoots out the side of Voyager without ripping

1397
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,720
a giant hole sitting everyone into spaces.

1398
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,680
That would have been a brilliant episode.

1399
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:31,680
By Kes, boom!

1400
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,480
See, now he's saying that.

1401
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:42,600
I wonder if there's an episode in Discovery with a kind of being that's like a nebula.

1402
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,520
And I wonder if that's kind of what they are, kind of thinking.

1403
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,360
Yeah, very true.

1404
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:52,360
But then again, I'm still waiting for Discovery to just jump the shark fully and have a Q

1405
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:53,360
individual turn up.

1406
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,960
They haven't got those in Discovery, I think, yeah.

1407
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:57,960
Yet.

1408
01:17:57,960 --> 01:17:59,280
But that's one of my...

1409
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:00,280
There's a brilliant thing.

1410
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,560
There's a meme that's been going around.

1411
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,560
And you've got, when Picard met Q, he put him on trial.

1412
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,640
When Janeway met Q, he put him on trial.

1413
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,960
When Captain Cisco met Q, he punched him.

1414
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,880
And it's like, that's brilliant.

1415
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,960
It's very, very true.

1416
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,000
So, you enjoyed the episode?

1417
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,480
I did enjoy the episode, yeah.

1418
01:18:23,480 --> 01:18:26,720
I think it was a good episode for what it was.

1419
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:31,560
It wasn't the best of the Voyager episodes by far, but it was definitely nowhere near

1420
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,960
the worst episode.

1421
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:38,160
I was just having a look at the trivia to see if there was any good trivia on the episode.

1422
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:39,320
And there really isn't.

1423
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:46,800
It's just saying about how Tom Wright basically knew both the actors.

1424
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:51,320
Apparently it had a much more comical tone and slapstick elements.

1425
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:56,360
They decided later that the premise, though somewhat hokey, deserved a more serious and

1426
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:57,360
philosophical approach.

1427
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:58,360
Yeah, I think so.

1428
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,360
And they made the right call.

1429
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:02,440
Hey, Tuvix, guess what?

1430
01:19:02,440 --> 01:19:03,440
You're dead.

1431
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:04,440
Yeah.

1432
01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:07,120
Waa, waa, waa.

1433
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:11,320
Then something about Dirty Harry and the piece of music he's practicing, which we don't care

1434
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:12,320
about.

1435
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:17,720
Apparently, Ethan Phillips, the actor that played Neelix, was considered to play Tuvix.

1436
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:23,200
But apparently the director, Cliff Boal, decided against seriously pursuing the possibility

1437
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,520
feeling Phillips' Neelix was too identifiable.

1438
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:26,520
Oh yeah, definitely.

1439
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:31,200
Which is true, because as soon as you stick him in, it's just Neelix and they've blacked

1440
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:32,200
him up.

1441
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,360
I would have made Tuvix character be the act.

1442
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:38,640
If I was going to pick one of them, I would have had Tuvix person do it, but made him

1443
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:39,640
act like Neelix.

1444
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:40,640
That's how I would have done it.

1445
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:41,640
Agreed.

1446
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:45,160
Apparently this is the first time we see the science laboratory on Voyager.

1447
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:46,160
Oh is it?

1448
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:47,160
I wrote that, actually.

1449
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:50,280
I wrote a note saying how good the set was.

1450
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:53,200
Yeah, it's a really good set.

1451
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,960
And there you go, the science laboratory on Voyager is seen for the first time, and the

1452
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:00,960
episode marks the first time Neelix is seen wearing a Starfleet uniform.

1453
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,280
He's also seen donning the gold...

1454
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,360
Oh, that's other episodes.

1455
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,040
Oh, now this is interesting.

1456
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,480
This takes place in 2372.

1457
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:13,200
Right, okay.

1458
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,080
So now we have a year.

1459
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,400
So let's come back to my list of things that we've got here.

1460
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:24,000
We now need to find Star Trek first contract.

1461
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,000
2373.

1462
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,000
Okay.

1463
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,440
So it's a year later.

1464
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:36,600
So they're in their first year of Delta Quadrant, because each season was a year of them in

1465
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,280
Delta Quadrant, wasn't it, basically?

1466
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,160
So technically the EMH in first contact should be how the EMH is in at the beginning.

1467
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,880
So it should have no emotion, it should just be purely up his own arse and acting choice.

1468
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:49,400
It must have just been a decision made for the role.

1469
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,360
And to be fair, it's probably quite hard for him because he's been told you've got to play

1470
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,520
the EMH, play it as you would on Voyager.

1471
01:20:54,520 --> 01:21:01,720
And Voyager has just suddenly done this storyline of giving him sentience and his own autonomy.

1472
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,080
For all we know, the director of first contact didn't know that.

1473
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:06,080
No, possibly.

1474
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:07,080
I was going to say...

1475
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:11,320
And the actors probably don't even really know the fucking star dates and all that.

1476
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:12,680
Of course they don't.

1477
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:16,640
I doubt any of them really ever worked it out.

1478
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,400
You never know though.

1479
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:19,400
Anyway.

1480
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:24,120
Command functions are offline.

1481
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:31,960
The next Star Trek episode then, we've got another skit inbound at some point, I believe.

1482
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:37,040
And then the next one I would like you to watch is The Next Generation.

1483
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,000
And I can't remember what it was.

1484
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,800
The episode name is Rascals.

1485
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:41,800
Rascals.

1486
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:47,520
And it is episode number six of...

1487
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,040
No, episode seven of series six.

1488
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,640
So series six, episode seven.

1489
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,640
And it's called Rascals.

1490
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:56,640
And...

1491
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,920
I don't know it off the top of my head.

1492
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:00,920
It's a crap one.

1493
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:01,920
Okay.

1494
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:06,280
But I want you to watch it because there's so many things that I would happily talk about

1495
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:07,560
in it.

1496
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:13,920
So yeah, episode seven, series six, Rascals of The Next Generation.

1497
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:17,840
If you want to watch it before us, watch it and then come back and listen to us talk about

1498
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:18,840
it.

1499
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:19,840
Wicked.

1500
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:20,840
In it, brav.

1501
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:21,840
In it, brav.

1502
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,120
Thank you everybody as always for listening.

1503
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:26,120
Thank you.

1504
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:27,120
Thank you.

1505
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:31,320
And sorry we missed the actual release last time.

1506
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:32,320
Never mind.

1507
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:33,320
We're back.

1508
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:34,320
Hello.

1509
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:35,320
It's the end of the episode.

1510
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:36,320
We're back.

1511
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:37,320
Welcome.

1512
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:38,320
So where can they find us?

1513
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:39,320
They can find us everywhere.

1514
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:44,560
But if you head over to channel84.co.uk, you can find all our social links on there, including

1515
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:49,600
the invitation to our Discord server where you can talk to us in person most days actually.

1516
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:55,480
Otherwise, you can find us on Twitter, threads, Blue Sky, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, all

1517
01:22:55,480 --> 01:22:56,480
of them.

1518
01:22:56,480 --> 01:23:00,680
And we're either at channel84 of some variety or at flat rob.

1519
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:08,760
You can also email us on podcast at channel84.co.uk or sorry podcast at channel84.co.uk, TJ at

1520
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,680
channel84.co.uk or rob at channel84.co.uk.

1521
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,200
Podcasts comes to both of us.

1522
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:19,200
TJ and Rob obviously goes to the person that you want it to go to.

1523
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:20,240
And that's it really.

1524
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:21,600
That's where you can find us.

1525
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:29,520
Still send me your files, your logs, your hot takes, your screams, your alien noises,

1526
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:30,880
anything Star Trek.

1527
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:35,120
If you want to be in a Chit Show episode, if you like them, send me an audio file.

1528
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:36,120
I'll put you in.

1529
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:37,120
Definitely.

1530
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:41,600
And then also send us an audio file if you've got, as Rob said, your own hot takes.

1531
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:46,400
If you watch Rascals and you want to send us a voice clip of your opinion on it, send

1532
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:47,400
it to us.

1533
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,640
We will stick your messages in and we'll talk about your messages.

1534
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,680
So send them in to us.

1535
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:52,680
We're good.

1536
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:53,680
Cool.

1537
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:58,080
We will see you in two weeks for Untitled Trek Show or next week for the normal variety

1538
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,080
show.

1539
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:00,080
Bye.

1540
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:01,080
Bye.

1541
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:09,200
Thank you for listening to the Channel 84 Untitled Trek Show.

1542
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:12,880
This station is now shutting down and will be back in two weeks.

1543
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:29,120
Excelsior.