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Daemon fuckin'

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Timber with arms open, Tom and Rob on the ocean, ships floating on river, mid-month moon, sex.

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Universal Translator activated. Hello and welcome to the show, where two men talk about Star Trek, this time with 50% less sex.

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Universal Translator deactivated. Welcome everybody to the Untitled Trek, Shy.

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Oh man, the fact we needed to use Universal Translator for that one. If you hadn't guessed, we're talking Darmok.

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Darmok. Darmok. Darmok as our walls fell. With his fists closed. Shucker as our walls fell.

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Shucker. When the walls fell. So all I want to say is shucker karn now. Shucker karn, shucker, shucker karn.

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That's what I thought about the whole time was shucker karn, shucker karn, shucker, shucker, shucker karn.

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So Darmok, series five, episode two of The Next Generation. Yeah. It's actually a good episode.

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It was a super episode. I'm so glad you chose it. It gets a little bit of hate, but it does get a lot of love.

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And I can understand the hate. And the more I've rewatched it, the more I start poking holes in it, which I think we'll get to in a minute.

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But so your general feeling, first of all, of the episode, what was it like for you? You'd never seen it.

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I'd never seen it before. And you wanted to know about the Lower Decks character who is Tamarian or Tamali.

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Tamarian, yeah. Tamarian. Yeah. I really enjoyed it. I would say the very, very beginning, maybe the first five, maybe even first 10 minutes,

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I was a bit like, oh, this is a little bit annoying, bit slow when you get into it. But as soon as they actually started going, I was like, I'm into this now.

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Once you get back to the planet and the action starts, you're pretty good. When Picard is just, he's an idiot.

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Right. So you've got a race and straight away they are speaking in a very odd language that Universal Translator is not translating.

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What you do is what you do if you're Picard is just start throwing really long sentences and words at them, don't you?

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And he's doing the classic British thing, talking to a foreigner. He just talks louder.

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Louder. I will have pie and chips, please, with beer, pour-fou-vore. Yeah, he was throwing a little bit of language that they know.

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It was very much like that. And Riker's was the same. Riker was the same.

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They're all the same.

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The whole episode, Riker was on a little bit of a trip.

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Oh, Riker's on a trip. Worf wants to just blow everything out of the sky as normal. We've got five seasons in and Worf is still getting erect over the weapons button.

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What must I do to convince you people?

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Die.

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Oh, very clever, Worf. Eat any good books lately?

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And he was having a bad hair day.

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Oh, he was having a bad hair day.

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It was like a long bowl cut. It was not a good look. He's of Worf's an attractive Klingon and he did not look good.

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Yeah, he must have run out for his shift. He must have been late for his shift.

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Who wants to clean up the holodeck after Worf?

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Yeah, Worf must have been on the holodeck.

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And there's your 50% sex.

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Yeah.

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Okay, look, we started something and we might follow through with it.

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Have you got some questions for me? As I gave you questions on the episode that you chose.

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So you fire away the questions that you have for me.

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And I'm really worried because I watched this last week and I'm starting to worry that I may not have paid enough attention to it.

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So, kind of easy slash hard mixture of questions. So what system is it?

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Oh my fucking God. I bet you're going to call that an easy one.

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No, that was my really difficult one because you gave me a ridiculously difficult one.

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Did I?

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Yeah, when you wanted me to know exactly what the disease or something was.

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Yeah, okay, fine. Oh, I haven't got a bloody clue.

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In fact, most of my might actually be a bit too difficult.

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Okay.

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The lemon pie.

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No, it was the lemon pie. Don't start that again. The Eladrel system.

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Of course it was.

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Yeah, what do you want to know? And also we know that's Tamarians.

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Yeah.

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What's their full name? This is part of the same question.

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Oh, it was something, something, something of, I don't know.

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The Children of Tamara.

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That was it.

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That's what they were calling themselves. And then they started getting called the Tamarians.

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They're like the Knights of the Templar and stuff like that. They got a name. So yeah, fair enough.

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So Data says how many years they've been trying to communicate with them. Can you remember how many years he said?

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Oh.

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I think these are actually quite tough questions, so I apologise.

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That's fine. Is it something like 180 years?

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Oh, it's 100 years.

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It's 100 years.

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Yeah, I think it might be 100 years and they've met eight times or something, but it's 100 years.

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Yeah, can you imagine if Kirk met them?

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Yeah, if he hadn't fucked them, yeah.

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Kirk, A, don't have sex with them.

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Yeah.

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Fist closed.

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I don't know, so palm open. I don't know, actually.

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But then he'd just talk them to death as well.

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Well, we've learnt the entire language thanks to Captain Kirk because he hasn't shut the fuck up.

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Yeah, imagine a porn scene with them.

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Oh.

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Parting like an open door.

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Cushion soft.

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Hardening steel. Hammering nail.

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Riding a starport.

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Flating balloon.

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Missed opportunity.

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Timber with arms open.

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Shuck them in the walls fell.

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Two people are left to decipher the language on the ship. Who are the two people?

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Troy and Data.

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Troy and Data, well done.

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Troy, why? And I love the fact she has this shit grin on her when she's like, oh, I linked something and I got something right. You didn't, Data.

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Oh, yeah, shit. I'll get into it. She does annoy me a little bit.

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Oh, you know.

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Yeah, I'll get in.

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So when they ask the machine what Darmok means, how many entries does it give them?

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I'm going to go with...

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It's a random number.

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187 again.

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47 entries.

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Oh, 47.

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And one of them's a dessert, one of them's an island.

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What was Darmok meaning on Tarsen a Five?

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It was a dessert.

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A frozen dessert.

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What's the question? Yeah, there you go. There are your questions.

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Very good. They were very hard. I'm going to make your ones incredibly hard for the next episode.

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Yeah, I did. After kind of... When you sat there watching it, you think, oh, that's an easy question. You remember that.

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And then actually they're not easy questions. They were all difficult. Sorry about that.

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No, that's absolutely fine. I think it's going to get into a game of who can be the meanest at some point.

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The biggest bastard.

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Let's talk about Darmok then.

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Accessing library computer data.

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Darmok!

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So aren't the crew and isn't John Luke Picard really lucky that he chose to wear his outdoor coat on the bridge that day?

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What a beautiful coat.

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Oh, mate, I would own... If I owned that, I would wear it out and about.

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It's warm. It looks quite firm.

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You say it looks warm, but there he is shivering his tits off out on the planet without any fire.

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Well, he's only got two layers on, as you see when he gets assaulted later.

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That's true.

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He just has that jacket, which he doesn't zip up.

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Yeah, no, well...

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Ridiculous. And then just a thin jumper, kind of like a long sleeve shirt.

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Yeah, you're right. Fair enough.

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And then a beautifully lean belly with a little bit of hair on it.

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A little bit of hair.

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I did notice that.

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He's a good looking man.

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Oh, he is a very good looking man.

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Do you think, I thought this instantly, that they actually made a language or just the actors just said some shit?

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So Star Trek has got a long history with making language, hence Klingon is technically a learnable and speakable language and a language that you can talk in.

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There is enough language there.

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James Doohan, Scotty, was one of the people who was involved in creating it.

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Oh, okay.

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And it's got bigger and it's got bigger and it's got bigger and it is language now.

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This, no, I think some people went away, they had a couple of ideas and they said, please don't make the characters say too much because it's fucking hard to do this.

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Having just you do that beginning bit.

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Yeah.

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It took a long time, didn't it? Just to try and work out something that even vaguely might work.

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It's difficult to do off the top of your head. I was sat there a little while.

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Oh, I had to write it in English first and then think, okay, well, what does this little bit mean? What does this little bit? What's the metaphor for this little bit?

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And then you've also got to consider if you're going to do it, you've got to create that back history to fit in with what they're saying.

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Exactly.

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So the whole story of Darmok being on the boat going to fight the beast, you've got to create that backstory as well as creating the language for it.

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So I think they'd know they probably did intentionally create it. It wasn't just random crap being said, but at the same time, it must have been a pain.

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When I was looking for other languages, I did also go to Being AI and asked it, I put something in English, can you translate it?

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And all it actually did was just recite just stuff that was said in the episode.

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Yeah.

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Claiming that it was in the language.

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That was the translation.

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And because I knew I'd seen the episode, I was like, well, I know that doesn't mean anything like that.

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And then I did find a website that looks like someone was trying to make a language.

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Based on the metaphors.

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Based on it. And it looks like they kind of just gave up because a lot of it is kind of just empty.

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The problem is it could never progress. So our language on the most basic of levels would have started with, and again, I don't never studied language, so this could be completely wrong.

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Would have started with people trying in groups that were nonverbal coming up with sounds that eventually turned into words for items.

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So let's say dog. People didn't see a dog. We get maybe a woof or a bark to signify. Well, that's what the animal does.

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So that's what we're talking about. And that may progress into the word dog eventually.

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And then everyone gets taught when you see that that is a dog.

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You need those core words first to make up their language.

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So how does their language actually exist?

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Or how could it exist from day one as metaphors if the stories haven't even happened?

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So are you saying they were completely mute until a few stories had happened and then they built on those?

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But then where did the words come from?

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Well, they have to learn. You see, I start picking holes.

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Yeah, they have to learn why the metaphors there like the I can't remember the two characters name of revering it down on the ocean.

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Damoc and Jalad on the ocean.

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Yes, blah, blah, and blah, blah on the ocean.

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Well, that actually means nothing to a baby one of them either because they don't know the story.

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Exactly. So but that's they kind of try and get by saying that they share their history by telling stories.

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But at the same time, if you don't understand the language, how are you going to teach it?

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A clever idea for the episode.

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And if you start looking too deep into it, you realize it truly doesn't work very well.

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But if you don't look too deep and you just accept what it is, it's fun.

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It's a good idea. It's a novel idea.

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I kind of wanted to ask if they know words that make up the metaphors, does that actually mean that the Tamarians are like, well, we understand words.

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Yeah. So actually, if we bothered, we could learn other races languages.

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Yeah. We're just choosing not to.

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And we are expecting you to learn ours as a sign of respect.

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Is that kind of where I think that's kind of where they were going with it in the hundred years we've met them.

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No one's been able to understand them. Well, you're understanding the words.

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You're just not putting together what they might mean.

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But at the same time, is no one saying, well, the Tamarians are choosing to actually not try and learn our language.

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Yeah. This was the issue I had with with Deanna, isn't it? Deanna Troy.

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Deanna Troy. Yeah.

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Being able to sense their emotion.

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Because I just thought, well, fucking bullshit. Can you sense their emotion?

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Because who's to say that because they speak in such a different way, all in metaphor.

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The way they feel isn't different.

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I put it to a point because they clearly have better technology than the enterprise.

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The ship is so cool. Yeah.

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A really cool ship. It's got much better tech.

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They're well higher up than the Federation are, especially if you think the enterprise is one of the top ships.

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You know, these guys are super, super high.

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So if you think of it like I think I wrote on Discord that how I want me specifically, but let's just say me feel about an ant.

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If I was going to go stand in an ant, I feel nothing for that ant. I don't have a hatred for it.

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I have no malicious. My body isn't going thinking I'm going to be malicious to you.

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I've just stood on it. It means it's nothing to me.

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And they could feel so superior to the enterprise and not be not in the same way like a Romulan feel superior because they'll be like, oh, we're better than you.

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These guys are so far advanced that they don't even have to worry about the enterprise.

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So they know that they could just sneeze and blow them up instantly.

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So how could she how could she sense an ill intent from them when they aren't going to portray that back because they're so below them?

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Yeah.

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And also they because they their language is all through metaphor, their feelings that she's trying to sense might be completely over the place.

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It's you're right.

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And Star Trek is terrible for it on the most part, assuming that all humanoid life forms share the same feelings and the same empathy and the same conditions that humans do.

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And it's been done to aid the story, obviously, and to give Troy a reason to be there on the ship.

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But at the same time, it does it does raise questions like you said, how do you know when they're feeling or what Troy is feeling is happiness from them?

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Actually, that's really super aroused.

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Or when she's feeling anger from them, that's not anger.

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It's just confusion.

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Yeah. Like we've said about this before, they need Troy on the ship. They need a counselor. All these bosses need counseling.

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Do I think she needs to be on the bridge? Eh, not in this situation.

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Well, yeah.

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Great actress, but I just don't like the character. I've never liked Troy. I like her mother even less.

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Yeah.

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And even then, both of them are no worse.

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They're only just a little bit better than Alexander Wharf's son.

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Oh, yeah, he's annoying. Yeah.

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But that's an annoying character. That's that's going down a different route.

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Let's go back to the episode.

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So the fact that there's we did they just randomly meet them?

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No, they got a subspace message, didn't they?

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What did that subspace message say? Come and meet us. We want to try.

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How did they understand the subspace message?

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What did the subspace message say?

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It just said we're receiving a subspace signal.

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That's how they put it, because I wrote it down.

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That specific message, we're receiving a subspace signal from them.

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So actually, they turned up. And it may not have even been for them.

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We're receiving the subspace signal. Brilliant.

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What does it say? Shackle when the walls fell. Oh, we must go and check it out then.

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Yeah. Well, I think it might have actually been because that's when they were talking about

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not having spoken to them, you know, been able to communicate with them for 100 years.

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So do you think they just said coordinates?

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I think it might have been them blasting out signals saying, come talk to us. We want to have a go.

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I think that's we want to make zero effort and are expecting you to learn our language.

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Fine. Got it. OK. They're assholes.

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So they started. I've wrote picards looking flash in a velvet number.

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I've got. Oh, I do like the leather shoulder pads on the uniform.

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Yeah. Good legs. God, it just does look good.

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I really like the uniforms and stuff. Like we said about Paris's robe and the guy in the skirt.

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They all just look so good. I wish I had the confidence with those beautiful mussy legs that that guy had to wear a skirt.

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Oh, yeah. I wish I could get one. Oh, yeah.

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Because there's a one piece to it was a one. It was a whole for the whole all the uniform.

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Even looking back at the TOS era, the uniform design that they've gone forward with.

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And I don't think there's been any uniform of absolutely.

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Absolutely hated. I have my favorites, obviously, everyone does.

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I think my favorite is going to be kind of the film era of Star Trek with either kind of film three and four of the original series films where they've got kind of that red velvety with the the white piped bit coming down, holding like the chef's apron bit at the front.

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Or then we're going to like the next generation when they've got the gray and black Star Trek uniform.

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I'm nodding away here. And that's really sexy stuff.

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So I will say, looking back at it, obviously, we all like what Seven of Nine looks like.

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But you clearly know she's in that one piece for a reason. Oh, absolutely.

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But really, I think that she probably shouldn't have been it.

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And I'm glad when they did the Picard series, Picard, they took that away. They put her in normal clothes.

252
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Yeah, she's beautiful without the one piece. She doesn't need that. She could be naked.

253
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Right. Anyway, I started I keep changing what I call the Dalmok people pig men I start off nice style and I they eventually evolve into dinosaur pigs.

254
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Right. OK. As we get closer up. Look, but they look like pigs to me at first when you see them.

255
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And yeah, he was talking smack. I'm pretty sure that he was talking smack and wharf is pretty fucked off.

256
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Yeah. My notes here says I want to say Shaka is fuck.

257
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Yeah. Fucks like Shaka when the war fucking hell they can't understand still. Yeah.

258
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What have I got here? So, yeah, I've said what we've already talked about that.

259
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It is a great looking ship. We've already talked about that. And it's the good old class M planets.

260
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Isn't it lucky that they always choose a planet that we can go down on? Yeah, it's so lucky.

261
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It's just so lucky that we're all the same. Yeah. Good old class M planets. I'm guessing it's actually Canada or rural America.

262
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Yeah, probably. And then as we did say, this was the section where Bacard just starts talking fucking bollocks expecting them to understand.

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It's just like you already know it's been a hundred years and no one has understood them.

264
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So why are you going hell to leather with the English there? Yeah. Albeit slightly louder.

265
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And I'm pretty sure I didn't write who it was then. Riker says something and they're like in winter motherfucker.

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But yeah, I think like Riker might make a little quip and then they cut the communication, don't they?

267
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And then it's not long before them. They steal Bacard. Yeah, they do just the even write up.

268
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I'd say you actually made me laugh as well. You saying about earlier Bacard raising his voice, saying it like the English people.

269
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Do you think the Enterprise has just got really crap microphones for the view screen? They haven't got beam forming or anything.

270
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Can you speak up a little bit? It's not like tuning in on people. It's just one little little pinprick above the viewer.

271
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Yeah. What I've always thought was odd is that when the captain is like talking to another captain, they show the whole bridge.

272
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That seems not particularly secure from a military standpoint, you know, because now they've got a snapshot of the enterprises bridge where everyone sat.

273
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What can they expect when they get in? Exactly. And it's like the world of the Temerians. Right. Well, we'll take him, him, him and him.

274
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We know where they are. Yeah, well, exactly. Exactly. What to do? Yeah. I've always thought that. And it just come to my head just then.

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And then we get our first look at their hands. I love the fact we both did this.

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So if you follow us on Discord, go over and subtract or can you see when we watch these episodes, we both make notes as we watch it.

277
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And then neither of us read each other's notes until we get to this point.

278
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And I've got hanging on as he got penis thumbs and I've definitely penis.

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I wrote what the fuck is up with his thumb? Looks like one of those holes you get when you have a butterfly living in you.

280
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I've also wrote maybe it's their sex organ. They spunk butterflies out of their thumbs when they have Darmock pig sex.

281
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Fuck me. Just taking that little bit too far. I was going to with the finger of fudge is all you need for a bit of fun.

282
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A finger of Darmock is all you need to be full of cum. Is that what you wrote? No, I'm just coming up with it on the spur now.

283
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Yeah, spunking butterflies out of their thumbs. That's how they shag.

284
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I mean, I'm being childish. But what happens when they walk in on one of their kids learning about themselves, assuming that it is a penis thumb?

285
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Stop sucking your thumb.

286
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When mother walks in room and cried, eyes full of tears, son full of embarrassment in the bed.

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And then we get a closer look up the dinosaur pig and its credits, opening credits.

288
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Quite a lot happens before the opening credits on this episode.

289
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Yeah, it's a long opening, isn't it? And I've kind of made a note here. How brilliant are the next generation intro?

290
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Love it.

291
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It looks amazing.

292
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Which is your favourite intro? Really, really hard question, I think.

293
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Because you've got to go by the music, then what you're seeing.

294
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I get such a good feeling from both the next generation and Voyager intros, the music themselves.

295
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But I think, Picard speaking, I think that I think that I think next generation wins.

296
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So TNG, next generation for me, wins. But if we're talking music, it's got to be Deep Space Nine.

297
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Yeah, it has got to be deep space nine. Because I didn't watch it, it doesn't give me those good feelings.

298
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No, that's fair enough. But the music is just beautiful for Deep Space Nine.

299
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And I love the lower dex joke of just do another loop, just do another loop around the station.

300
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Just do it again.

301
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And again.

302
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Yeah.

303
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That's just genius. But, okay, you're right. TNG intro is just a whole nother level of awesomeness.

304
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I can't remember where I watched it. I've wrote on here that most of that isn't even CGI.

305
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It's some, they're like models and then they film different layers and different light.

306
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And that's how they add the...

307
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So it was Industrial Light and... Is it ILM? Industrial Lights and Magic? Or whatever they called.

308
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They did it. And yeah, they did it on a programmable arm and they would program it for whatever pass it would do.

309
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And they'd film in three or four different lighting. And then that would be composited to give you what you see.

310
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And you can actually see people walking around on the top deck. How the fuck did they do that?

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Early green screening and...

312
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So clever.

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It was really good. I'll send you the YouTube clip and we'll put it up on social media.

314
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There's a couple of YouTube videos that show the filming of TNG and how they did the models and the size of the models as well.

315
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They're not small. They're huge.

316
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But that's why it still looks fantastic. It just looks real.

317
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Well, this has been a long, long running argument and people that know me will probably be sick of hearing this.

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But practical effects versus CGI will win for me every time.

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The fact is you can look at some of the original series Star Trek films. Now they've been remastered.

320
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You would be hard pushed to say that is not real.

321
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Yeah. The reason it looks like it is because technically it is real.

322
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There is actually a spaceship, albeit a fraction of the size and in a studio somewhere.

323
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So here's a good thing that I... It's not actually good. We're going to move it just... It's still sci-fi.

324
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So the thing, the film, a flipping brilliant film, all practical.

325
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Exactly.

326
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They did a remake.

327
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And they did it CGI.

328
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No, they did it all practical.

329
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Yes, practical. Sorry, you're right.

330
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And then they went over it all with CGI. And it looks terrible in my opinion.

331
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And you know what? There's something about sci-fi and spaceships.

332
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Sci-fi spaceships that are done in CGI all have to be shiny.

333
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Yeah.

334
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They are never a nice matte. The damage is never properly shown.

335
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The normal wear and tear that you get of a... is so rarely shown.

336
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Yet the models, as they got used and they'd been hand painted and there'd been people that had actually paid attention to them.

337
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Well, it's been through this. So add these effects on.

338
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They... I always say it. Practical effects look real because they are real.

339
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CGI, there is always that uncanny value about it. No matter how good it looks, there's always something that you look at.

340
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So something's not right.

341
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Something's not right.

342
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Do you think as well, if you were going to make a starship that has battle capabilities, you'd paint it black?

343
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Yeah, yeah.

344
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I get why it doesn't work for a show, but my Klingon warbird would be black.

345
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But don't... dark green kind of makes sense, I guess.

346
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But I guess the answer is, is a lot of the time you've got to consider they're not using their eyes, are they? They're using sensors.

347
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But still, you know, looking out the window.

348
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And they get that right, weirdly, in the second modern Star Trek film, Chris Pine, if you've seen it.

349
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They basically butcher the story of Khan and reverse...

350
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I've only seen it once.

351
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It's basically the story of Khan from TOS, but reversed.

352
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So rather than Spock dying in a horribly brutal way, which is still moving to this day, you get Kirk killed.

353
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And then Spock goes off and beats up Khan and blah, blah, blah.

354
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The Admiral, who is basically running the Black Ops and trying to get Khan and kill him and telling Kirk he needs to do what he says and blow on,

355
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and his daughters with him and whatever else for the purely underwear scene that we got in that film, that ship is black.

356
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And it looks good.

357
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It looks out of place because it's too modern for the TOS era, but that's their own timeline.

358
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I don't care.

359
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You're right.

360
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If you're going to build a stealth ship, whether or not you've got cloaking or not, surely you make it to match the background of everything else.

361
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Black. Like my soul.

362
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OK. Don't you think that if Mr. Temerian wanted to fight, he'd be a little bit more progressive?

363
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You've got Picard there going, oh, so you want to fight, do you?

364
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No, he's actually if he wanted to fight, he would have charged at you with the knife and just stabbed you.

365
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Or he would have taken the knife that he was going to give you and thrown it as hard as he could at your feet, embedding it in the ground at your feet.

366
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That is fighting talk, not I've got both my hands up in the air and I'm going to gently toss this knife to you.

367
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Yeah, that's not fighting language.

368
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It's pretty clear.

369
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All body language is not threatening.

370
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Yet you got Picard basically going, hmm, hmm, I think you want to fight me.

371
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No.

372
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Yeah, so you get that little bit of standoff for a little while, don't you?

373
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Yeah. And then a good old alien is able to make a fire quicker than Picard is.

374
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Oh, yeah, I found that quite amusing.

375
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I would have expected Picard to be a proper boy scout and have got a fire going, put up a little hut, maybe a little bar going.

376
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Yeah, he would have already had his vineyard set up.

377
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Yeah, he's found the alien variety of grape that grows quite nicely on these plains.

378
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Yeah, he's already found that beautiful slope in the hills that he did.

379
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He saw it, he'd be like, I can do this, easy fucking peasy.

380
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And did you see there's a very attractive young looking darmok lady on their bridge?

381
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There is. She cries later.

382
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I did notice that she does cry later, yeah, because I wrote, oh, there is a lady pig dying, a lady dinosaur pig.

383
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You're so polite about them.

384
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And then I also wrote, no wonder the girls love Riker, he's such a dish.

385
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He looks good in this episode.

386
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He's a good looking bloke.

387
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He's very cleanly shaven, he's, well, he's like trimmed it all around, do you know what I mean?

388
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Good hair.

389
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It's just how he goes about sitting, like that tic-toc you said.

390
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He always seems to straddle or he's got to stretch his crotch as wide as he can do.

391
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So you all get a few of the package.

392
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Yeah, it was tic-toc, I find the tic-toc I sent you.

393
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It's true. It is absolutely.

394
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Jesse Mercury's one, as he says, his dust.

395
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That's his Riker dust.

396
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His Riker dust on the sea, it's hilarious.

397
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I'm sticking with, at this point I've got noted down, Shaka is definitely fuck, definitely rude.

398
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And then you've got Picard saying, Shaka, indeed.

399
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Yeah.

400
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Fucking dude.

401
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Yeah, Shaka when the walls fall, I think it's a frustration.

402
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Yeah.

403
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Isn't it? It's like a, oh, God's sake.

404
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It's definitely some kind of frustration.

405
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I don't know what I've got here.

406
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So when they're about to go to sleep, you've got him looking at this, the Temerian,

407
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look at these metal things in his hand.

408
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I've got Space Jacks now being played.

409
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He's not very good at it.

410
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I just went, dude's about to play Knuckle Bones.

411
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And then I'm quite waiting for it.

412
00:32:53,980 --> 00:32:54,980
Oh wait, they're crosses.

413
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Looks like the church have got to them before the Federation.

414
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Yeah. Yeah, we've got all the Christians got here first.

415
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And it was like, that's it, sleepy piggy, sleep.

416
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Daddy Picard's going to come have bacon for supper.

417
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Nice. Whereas I've got, turns out the coat is shit.

418
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Way to go Federation. You think it would have an integral heating element, wouldn't you?

419
00:33:15,980 --> 00:33:17,980
Yeah, just a little button he presses and it warms up.

420
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Exactly. We've got him back to the future.

421
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Self-drying coat, for example.

422
00:33:21,980 --> 00:33:24,980
You'd think in the Federation it'd be like zip it up, press this button.

423
00:33:24,980 --> 00:33:26,980
Oh, it's a nice, balmy 19 degrees.

424
00:33:26,980 --> 00:33:29,980
My wife has a coat now that I brought her that she presses a button and it warms up.

425
00:33:29,980 --> 00:33:31,980
Exactly.

426
00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:36,980
Oh yeah. And then I've got stop speaking in sentences to him, Picard, for God's sake.

427
00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:38,980
Yeah. Timber his arms wide.

428
00:33:38,980 --> 00:33:41,980
Even I knew at that point, he's giving you the fucking word.

429
00:33:41,980 --> 00:33:47,980
Yeah. He gives him the words, oh nice, a smile, but you still stay where the fuck you are.

430
00:33:47,980 --> 00:33:51,980
Yeah. I was like, yeah, look, even I can speak Darmok pig Latin.

431
00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:55,980
Yeah. And I wrote this and then they start talking about the upper D region, which I found amusing.

432
00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:56,980
Yes.

433
00:33:56,980 --> 00:33:58,980
Because that's the little section of the planet.

434
00:33:58,980 --> 00:33:59,980
So now we're back on the ship.

435
00:33:59,980 --> 00:34:00,980
Yeah.

436
00:34:00,980 --> 00:34:02,980
We've got George the Forge is finally here.

437
00:34:02,980 --> 00:34:03,980
He's getting to tech the tech.

438
00:34:03,980 --> 00:34:04,980
Yeah. Tech talk.

439
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:05,980
Trek the tech.

440
00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:13,980
Trek talk with tech talk. He's finally here and he's talking about, oh no, no, sorry, I've gone too far ahead.

441
00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:14,980
This is there on the shuttle.

442
00:34:14,980 --> 00:34:16,980
Yeah. Well, so yeah. So they've just-

443
00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:17,980
That sexy lady on the shuttle.

444
00:34:17,980 --> 00:34:20,980
They've stuck Worf into the shuttle with someone.

445
00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:22,980
With the most attractive woman on the ship by the look of it.

446
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:30,980
Yeah. Absolutely. No, which one did they say? No, there's a couple of Beth. Okay. I'm going to shut up.

447
00:34:30,980 --> 00:34:31,980
In this episode.

448
00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:39,980
In this episode. Yeah. So they say, right, go and see if you can get down and get through and see if they notice you basically, isn't it?

449
00:34:39,980 --> 00:34:49,980
It's like, see if they notice you and do what it is. I love the fact that Ryker's like, Worf, evasive pattern delta, which takes them straight into the firing line.

450
00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:52,980
It's like, great. Thanks Ryker.

451
00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:59,980
Why is he telling Worf what evasive pattern to do? Just do it. Worf will know. Worf's already done it. Worf's way ahead of fucking Ryker.

452
00:34:59,980 --> 00:35:06,980
Worf has already loaded three photon torpedoes onto that shuttlecraft and is ready to die by flying it into the ship.

453
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:11,980
He has an automation on his alarm clock arming photon torpedoes. He's not getting involved in any of this nonsense.

454
00:35:11,980 --> 00:35:20,980
He seriously does have a death wish. You look at the number of times he's like, we should do this. And it's like, you're looking to cause war or get yourself killed.

455
00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:30,980
Can I also say as well, what's their obsession? All of these ships, I know it's a TV program, but they send their first officers on away missions.

456
00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:37,980
They send their, the main tactical guy, the best tactician on the ship, other than Data, into a shuttle.

457
00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:38,980
But maybe there's a reason.

458
00:35:38,980 --> 00:35:40,980
Well, because everyone else is useless.

459
00:35:40,980 --> 00:35:45,980
Get him off the ship, then we don't have to worry about that big red fire button being touched.

460
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:51,980
It's like the kid that you say, can you take this message to this teacher, please, and find out what they say about it.

461
00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:58,980
And the envelope basically has a letter in it that says, please entertain the student for five minutes. I need a break from it.

462
00:35:58,980 --> 00:36:03,980
And then they say to it, I got annoyed. Someone says to him, nice shooting, like he had any involvement in it.

463
00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:06,980
Yeah. Right. It's open AI five million doing the shooting.

464
00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:07,980
You're right. Absolutely.

465
00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:08,980
He's had no involvement.

466
00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:09,980
The computer does the targeting.

467
00:36:09,980 --> 00:36:10,980
Yeah.

468
00:36:10,980 --> 00:36:15,980
You just basically choose what on the screen on the little touch screen, that beep.

469
00:36:15,980 --> 00:36:18,980
Okay. Now I'm tracking it and it does it all for you.

470
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:24,980
And I wrote, at last, Geordie is going to science us out of this mess, which he does his best to do.

471
00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:31,980
My favourite bit I've got on this. Imagine this race, trying to explain something in an emergency situation.

472
00:36:31,980 --> 00:36:34,980
You'd be dead before they'd finished the first paragraph of what's going on.

473
00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:37,980
There's a bomb on board your ship. You need to board it off.

474
00:36:37,980 --> 00:36:40,980
There's like five seconds done.

475
00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:06,980
It's gone.

476
00:37:06,980 --> 00:37:09,980
Yeah. Shaka, when the walls fell.

477
00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:12,980
I don't know. We haven't got a story for this. Oh, you're gone.

478
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:15,980
Yeah. Now they've got the story. Now everyone else will know.

479
00:37:15,980 --> 00:37:19,980
When the Enterprise exploded, many lives lost.

480
00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:20,980
Yeah.

481
00:37:20,980 --> 00:37:21,980
Tamarians were slow.

482
00:37:21,980 --> 00:37:25,980
Yeah. And Ryker gets really grumpy again.

483
00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:28,980
He's a bit bossy. He gets really bossy. He's very grumpy.

484
00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:32,980
Tells everyone to go do stuff. He's a bit mean.

485
00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:36,980
He's a bit bad. He didn't get on the wrong side of the bed.

486
00:37:36,980 --> 00:37:41,980
What, Deanna? The fact they were angry and shouting each other with the word Darmok, it must be negative.

487
00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:43,980
We'd never have figured that one out.

488
00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:46,980
Deanna, you are indeed the neelix of TNG.

489
00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:49,980
Exactly.

490
00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:52,980
And then we're back down on the planet.

491
00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:58,980
And we have this super advanced alien race and their captain's log is a paper book.

492
00:37:58,980 --> 00:38:04,980
Can I say as well, I found this cut really jarring because the last time we saw him, he had a coat on.

493
00:38:04,980 --> 00:38:07,980
Suddenly he hasn't got his coat on.

494
00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:09,980
And I was actually a bit...

495
00:38:09,980 --> 00:38:11,980
He needed something to wipe with.

496
00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:16,980
Oh, that's really thrown me off. I was expecting if I was to see Picard, he'd be in red and now he's suddenly in blue.

497
00:38:16,980 --> 00:38:19,980
He hasn't got his coat on. I did something, just a little simple thing like that.

498
00:38:19,980 --> 00:38:21,980
I was like, oh, that's really...

499
00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:26,980
Yeah. You could have jumped or had him just take it off in the first couple of seconds.

500
00:38:26,980 --> 00:38:28,980
It's a close up too.

501
00:38:28,980 --> 00:38:30,980
Yeah.

502
00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:34,980
And now we've got some weird monster making noises.

503
00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:37,980
Have we?

504
00:38:37,980 --> 00:38:39,980
Oh, God.

505
00:38:39,980 --> 00:38:41,980
I watched this when I was half asleep.

506
00:38:41,980 --> 00:38:48,980
I reckon Mr. Penis Thumb just shoved something up an animal's arse to make this more interesting.

507
00:38:48,980 --> 00:38:50,980
Shaka equals twat maybe.

508
00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:53,980
Why, because of the noise?

509
00:38:53,980 --> 00:38:56,980
Oh, God. Yeah.

510
00:38:56,980 --> 00:38:58,980
So you're right. We've got a monster noise.

511
00:38:58,980 --> 00:39:02,980
Now, I don't know if you've seen an episode and I can't remember what it's called.

512
00:39:02,980 --> 00:39:10,980
I don't think it's called Evolution, but there's an episode basically where Picard and...

513
00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:13,980
It might be Data.

514
00:39:13,980 --> 00:39:18,980
A couple of them are on the Shustlecraft coming back and they're hailing the Enterprise and no one answers.

515
00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:20,980
And everyone is devolving.

516
00:39:20,980 --> 00:39:27,980
So Deanna's become this kind of frog creature who's got to be in the water.

517
00:39:27,980 --> 00:39:32,980
Lieutenant Barclay's turned into something like he always bloody well does.

518
00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:37,980
Again, someone that shouldn't be on board any Starship is on the flagship.

519
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:40,980
Can I just say, Barclay, isn't he the guy who saves...

520
00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:41,980
The A-Team.

521
00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:45,980
No, isn't he the guy who saves Voyager?

522
00:39:45,980 --> 00:39:47,980
Pretty sure it's the same actor.

523
00:39:47,980 --> 00:39:54,980
Reg D. Dwight or something. His name is Reg Barclay.

524
00:39:54,980 --> 00:40:01,980
I'm pretty sure he's the guy who figures out some wormhole thing that gets Voyager back.

525
00:40:01,980 --> 00:40:02,980
Oh, really?

526
00:40:02,980 --> 00:40:07,980
Yeah, I'm sure it is. Someone's citation needed from anybody who knows that better than I do.

527
00:40:07,980 --> 00:40:09,980
We'll have to look that one up.

528
00:40:09,980 --> 00:40:14,980
But yeah, I'm just trying to think of the actor's name now so I don't get it wrong.

529
00:40:14,980 --> 00:40:16,980
Dwight Short. There you go.

530
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:18,980
He plays Murdock in the A-Team.

531
00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:20,980
And somehow he ended up...

532
00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:25,980
It's a character that should not have been on the Enterprise with all the trouble he causes.

533
00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:27,980
But yeah, they're all devolving.

534
00:40:27,980 --> 00:40:31,980
And one of the ones that devolve is Worf.

535
00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:35,980
And he devolves and it's really good.

536
00:40:35,980 --> 00:40:40,980
Basically this tank of a creature covered in external armor plates,

537
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:43,980
which absolutely makes sense for where they kind of came from.

538
00:40:43,980 --> 00:40:45,980
And you never get to see it.

539
00:40:45,980 --> 00:40:48,980
You just see this really dark outline of it.

540
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:56,980
And I'm sure they've used the same costume in this and then blurred it out in their transparent thing.

541
00:40:56,980 --> 00:41:01,980
Yeah, it's some kind of humanoid, it's got some weird cloaking thing.

542
00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:04,980
It does not explain it at any point in time.

543
00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:09,980
No, we just get the terrible stories from Shukka the bumhole felled bloke.

544
00:41:09,980 --> 00:41:12,980
And every time they stab it they get electrocuted.

545
00:41:12,980 --> 00:41:14,980
Yeah, which again...

546
00:41:14,980 --> 00:41:17,980
They know about this beast, this other cunt.

547
00:41:17,980 --> 00:41:20,980
Oh, it's called Genesis apparently.

548
00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:23,980
I'm just seeing if I can find a picture of it while we're talking.

549
00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:29,980
But yeah, it's just stupid.

550
00:41:29,980 --> 00:41:33,980
Because if he knew about this invisible beast, which is why they're going to the planet,

551
00:41:33,980 --> 00:41:35,980
surely he knows he's going to get electrocuted when he stabs it.

552
00:41:35,980 --> 00:41:37,980
So you wouldn't take a knife.

553
00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:43,980
So at this point Picard has kind of started to understand the metaphoricness of the language.

554
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:48,980
And understands what the pig man is trying to say is lure him out.

555
00:41:48,980 --> 00:41:49,980
Yeah.

556
00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:50,980
We're going to attack him.

557
00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:59,980
But at a pivotal moment, Enterprise tries to beam Picard away and he gets locked.

558
00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:01,980
Oh, we get to see O'Brien.

559
00:42:01,980 --> 00:42:03,980
Oh, that's like a really happy man.

560
00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:05,980
They got to see O'Brien, he's in charge of the transporter.

561
00:42:05,980 --> 00:42:09,980
And they're trying to transport Picard away.

562
00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:12,980
So now this is the second time this episode Picard has died.

563
00:42:12,980 --> 00:42:21,980
I like the fact they just keep holding him on for ages and ages while the other captain's getting obliterated by this monster.

564
00:42:21,980 --> 00:42:25,980
The pig men essentially killed Picard when they teleported him down to the planet.

565
00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:29,980
And now he's been killed again by the Enterprise by putting him into their own buffer.

566
00:42:29,980 --> 00:42:32,980
So now he's in two different buffers, dead.

567
00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:36,980
We're on Picard version three already on this episode.

568
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:39,980
And yeah, he gets locked, doesn't he?

569
00:42:39,980 --> 00:42:45,980
And all the time he's locked, the pig man's getting railed on by the monster.

570
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:49,980
It's just.

571
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:52,980
It's really just stupid.

572
00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:53,980
It's frustrating, I think, actually.

573
00:42:53,980 --> 00:42:55,980
I was a bit frustrated that that happened.

574
00:42:55,980 --> 00:42:59,980
I felt sorry because I kind of didn't want the pig man to be getting beaten up.

575
00:42:59,980 --> 00:43:01,980
No.

576
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:05,980
And I just thought these are bad decision makings on Riker's part.

577
00:43:05,980 --> 00:43:12,980
I understand he's trying to get the captain out and doesn't know what's happening on the ground.

578
00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:16,980
But.

579
00:43:16,980 --> 00:43:17,980
So it's quite late.

580
00:43:17,980 --> 00:43:19,980
It has got quite late.

581
00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:21,980
But I know what you're saying.

582
00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:23,980
But you're just skipping really far ahead.

583
00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:25,980
He never gets fucking reprimanded for any of the decisions he makes.

584
00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:26,980
No.

585
00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:29,980
And I kind of think he makes bad decisions all the way through this episode, Riker does.

586
00:43:29,980 --> 00:43:30,980
Absolutely.

587
00:43:30,980 --> 00:43:34,980
I mean, that is a really risky beam out they try to do.

588
00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:35,980
Yeah.

589
00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:37,980
And there's no questions asked about it.

590
00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:38,980
There's nothing brought up afterwards.

591
00:43:38,980 --> 00:43:40,980
It's just accepted that he tried.

592
00:43:40,980 --> 00:43:41,980
It went wrong.

593
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:43,980
It does matter because Picard is safe.

594
00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:46,980
He does everything but diplomacy, Riker.

595
00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:53,980
And then says at some point, well, we need to try diplomacy first, doesn't he?

596
00:43:53,980 --> 00:43:54,980
He says it to some.

597
00:43:54,980 --> 00:43:57,980
But if it doesn't work, then we can shoot them with our lasers.

598
00:43:57,980 --> 00:43:58,980
Yeah.

599
00:43:58,980 --> 00:44:00,980
And I just think, mate, you could have fucking done that ages ago.

600
00:44:00,980 --> 00:44:03,980
If you weren't going to do that, you should have listened to Wharf at the beginning.

601
00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:05,980
He already had torpedoes ready.

602
00:44:05,980 --> 00:44:07,980
He's probably got some in his pocket.

603
00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:10,980
Just blow the fucking, shoot the shit out of them.

604
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:11,980
Yep.

605
00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:15,980
Also, going back to this point then, so we've gone back to the bridge for the moment.

606
00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:19,980
Well, not the bridge, the ready room, haven't we?

607
00:44:19,980 --> 00:44:22,980
I've kind of got, and this pisses me off so much.

608
00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:25,980
So often it happens in all the Star Trek's.

609
00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:32,980
I've got, Geordie, stop giving an answer when you fully well know you have a better answer queued up.

610
00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:34,980
So Geordie's like, well, we could try this.

611
00:44:34,980 --> 00:44:36,980
Riker's been just, no, that's useless.

612
00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:37,980
Give me another idea.

613
00:44:37,980 --> 00:44:38,980
Oh, well, let's just do this.

614
00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:39,980
Oh, well, that's much better.

615
00:44:39,980 --> 00:44:40,980
Well, let's just do that then.

616
00:44:40,980 --> 00:44:42,980
Why didn't you say that first?

617
00:44:42,980 --> 00:44:44,980
And also, is he doing what you said?

618
00:44:44,980 --> 00:44:47,980
Is he doing the saying it'll take more time when he knows it won't?

619
00:44:47,980 --> 00:44:48,980
Well, who knows?

620
00:44:48,980 --> 00:44:49,980
Is he doing that?

621
00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:53,980
I have got Jesus, Riker, accept Geordie's answer for once.

622
00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:57,980
As it's always, they never accept the first answer on the Enterprise.

623
00:44:57,980 --> 00:44:59,980
Imagine if that is the only answer.

624
00:44:59,980 --> 00:45:02,980
Maybe that's what's drilled into you at the Academy.

625
00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:06,980
When you have to come up with an answer or a question, make sure you have two answers.

626
00:45:06,980 --> 00:45:11,980
Yeah, give them the shit one first because they'll always ask the next one and you'll look great when you've got more answers.

627
00:45:11,980 --> 00:45:12,980
Okay.

628
00:45:12,980 --> 00:45:17,980
So I don't know why I've put this.

629
00:45:17,980 --> 00:45:22,980
I've got, so, Doctor, you're saying Juliet deep throating Romeo would mean nothing to the alien race.

630
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:23,980
Damn.

631
00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:29,980
I think that's because they're talking about, they've finally worked out that it's all metaphorical and to do with stories.

632
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:32,980
And she brings up something about Shakespeare.

633
00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:34,980
But then I do like this.

634
00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:36,980
Who draws an ocean as a circle?

635
00:45:36,980 --> 00:45:37,980
So we're back down on the planet.

636
00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:42,980
Yeah, back on the planet after Picard is as his atoms completely annihilated.

637
00:45:42,980 --> 00:45:45,980
But who draws the ocean as a circle?

638
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:47,980
Surely you would draw it as waves of water.

639
00:45:47,980 --> 00:45:48,980
I was expecting waves.

640
00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:50,980
I thought he was going to do waves and put a boat on it.

641
00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:51,980
That's what I thought he was going to do.

642
00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:53,980
Instead he just put something in the middle of the circle and it goes.

643
00:45:53,980 --> 00:45:54,980
And the circle round it.

644
00:45:54,980 --> 00:45:56,980
That's a boat in the sea.

645
00:45:56,980 --> 00:45:58,980
He's just going to be going egg.

646
00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:00,980
It's like an egg.

647
00:46:00,980 --> 00:46:12,980
But what I really wanted, part of me wished that once the alien realised Picard had worked out the puzzle of their language and worked out they needed to talk in metaphors, that he just basically comes out with this like brummy accent.

648
00:46:12,980 --> 00:46:13,980
Oh, well done.

649
00:46:13,980 --> 00:46:14,980
You passed the test.

650
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:16,980
You can be part of our team now.

651
00:46:16,980 --> 00:46:18,980
That would have been fucking brilliant, wouldn't it?

652
00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:24,980
I was kind of expecting pig man to just start talking English.

653
00:46:24,980 --> 00:46:28,980
Not like Brummy Ascent, but he's going like fuck, I can't teach them this shit.

654
00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:29,980
I'm just going to learn their language.

655
00:46:29,980 --> 00:46:30,980
Yeah, exactly.

656
00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:32,980
Instead. That's what I was expecting.

657
00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:34,980
So yeah, yeah, they sat down by the fire.

658
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:37,980
And does he look all right Picard for fuck's sake?

659
00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:40,980
The dude's got milk coming out of his head.

660
00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:42,980
He's rubbed his thumb on his head by mistake.

661
00:46:42,980 --> 00:46:43,980
Is he all right?

662
00:46:43,980 --> 00:46:47,980
The dude is bleeding milk.

663
00:46:47,980 --> 00:46:49,980
Yeah, he's dying Picard.

664
00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:51,980
Just talk to him.

665
00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:52,980
Yeah.

666
00:46:52,980 --> 00:46:54,980
Tell him about Moby Dick.

667
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:55,980
Moby Dick.

668
00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:57,980
No, we're going with Gilgamesh and the Smurfs.

669
00:46:57,980 --> 00:46:59,980
Wait, that's Gargamel.

670
00:46:59,980 --> 00:47:00,980
You know what?

671
00:47:00,980 --> 00:47:02,980
When he said it, I thought the Smurfs as well.

672
00:47:02,980 --> 00:47:05,980
I thought what the fuck's the Smurfs got to do with this?

673
00:47:05,980 --> 00:47:06,980
And he started doing his story.

674
00:47:06,980 --> 00:47:08,980
It was like, okay, it's not the Smurfs.

675
00:47:08,980 --> 00:47:12,980
Who wanted to capture the little people and their magic.

676
00:47:12,980 --> 00:47:14,980
Yeah, Smurfs when the walls fell.

677
00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:16,980
Yeah.

678
00:47:16,980 --> 00:47:17,980
I love it.

679
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:21,980
He's dying laying there and he's laughing and he's smiling.

680
00:47:21,980 --> 00:47:23,980
I've got Gilgamesh.

681
00:47:23,980 --> 00:47:24,980
That's a funny name.

682
00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:26,980
That's all that's going through his head right now.

683
00:47:26,980 --> 00:47:31,980
He's dying brain that's rapidly losing blood and whatever.

684
00:47:31,980 --> 00:47:32,980
And then bored to death.

685
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:33,980
Bugger.

686
00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:37,980
Yeah, I like how he's shouting at him to make him understand classic Picard.

687
00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:39,980
Yeah, just yeah.

688
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:41,980
And I felt really sad actually that he died.

689
00:47:41,980 --> 00:47:42,980
Yeah.

690
00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:43,980
Oh, no, he's dead.

691
00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:46,980
Jackers walls have definitely fallen, get that piggy in a blanket.

692
00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:50,980
I felt I was a bit gutted by that.

693
00:47:50,980 --> 00:47:52,980
I felt really sad by that guy dying.

694
00:47:52,980 --> 00:47:58,980
Also, don't you think the other race is so advanced they'd be scanning.

695
00:47:58,980 --> 00:48:01,980
They've probably got like a live feed video of what's going on on the planet.

696
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:02,980
Yeah.

697
00:48:02,980 --> 00:48:03,980
Yeah.

698
00:48:03,980 --> 00:48:04,980
They see their captain dead.

699
00:48:04,980 --> 00:48:08,980
Surely you would go, well, it's over, isn't it?

700
00:48:08,980 --> 00:48:10,980
Send him back to the ship and it's over.

701
00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:15,980
No, it takes the episode takes us in the route of the only way this is going to end

702
00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:20,980
because obviously they've not picked up that their captain's dead on all the senses and ability they've got.

703
00:48:20,980 --> 00:48:21,980
Yeah.

704
00:48:21,980 --> 00:48:25,980
That we're going to have to blow the shit out of them a little bit so we can beam them off the planet and get them back.

705
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:26,980
Yeah.

706
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:27,980
I think that's really crap.

707
00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:28,980
Yeah.

708
00:48:28,980 --> 00:48:34,980
Even the Enterprise says, well, I think the captain, their captain's dead or their life signs are like they're gone.

709
00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:39,980
And can I say as well, this goes back to what we said a long time ago on the main line

710
00:48:39,980 --> 00:48:43,980
when I was talking about Discovery and where they just beam everywhere now.

711
00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:46,980
They just watch you walk through a door and suddenly they're beaming to another partnership.

712
00:48:46,980 --> 00:48:51,980
Why do they all teleport onto the pads in the teleportation room?

713
00:48:51,980 --> 00:48:52,980
Is that the only place?

714
00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:56,980
Is that because that's where the shield has a little area where they can get through their own shields?

715
00:48:56,980 --> 00:48:58,980
No, they can't get through their own shields.

716
00:48:58,980 --> 00:49:00,980
If the shields are up, you can't beam.

717
00:49:00,980 --> 00:49:03,980
Why is he not just beaming onto the bridge?

718
00:49:03,980 --> 00:49:04,980
And they do.

719
00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:07,980
Look at the number of times in Voyager when there's an accident in the holodeck

720
00:49:07,980 --> 00:49:10,980
or there's an accident somewhere.

721
00:49:10,980 --> 00:49:12,980
Pick an episode, any episode.

722
00:49:12,980 --> 00:49:14,980
And they beam them.

723
00:49:14,980 --> 00:49:19,980
So why is Picard then teleporting himself to the transportation room?

724
00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:24,980
I think they do the transporter because it's able to do...

725
00:49:24,980 --> 00:49:25,980
More powerful?

726
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:28,980
Yeah. Maybe it's like a giant satellite dish sort of thing.

727
00:49:28,980 --> 00:49:31,980
It can do further distances.

728
00:49:31,980 --> 00:49:35,980
It can receive from further distances.

729
00:49:35,980 --> 00:49:37,980
It can send more equipment down.

730
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:38,980
I accept that.

731
00:49:38,980 --> 00:49:40,980
I think that's the only reason why.

732
00:49:40,980 --> 00:49:45,980
But then when he's on the ship, why can he then not do a local teleport to the bridge?

733
00:49:45,980 --> 00:49:49,980
What he does is he must get into a hollow lift and storm his way.

734
00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:51,980
And he storms his way to the bridge.

735
00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:53,980
He's fucking annoyed.

736
00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:54,980
He looks like he's seething.

737
00:49:54,980 --> 00:49:56,980
Don't tell anyone off.

738
00:49:56,980 --> 00:49:57,980
No, no, no, no.

739
00:49:57,980 --> 00:50:01,980
As Noel, don't ignore Riker's failure at diplomacy, like you said.

740
00:50:01,980 --> 00:50:05,980
Just accept that he's blown a hole in their ship and then tell them their captain's dead.

741
00:50:05,980 --> 00:50:06,980
See you later.

742
00:50:06,980 --> 00:50:09,980
I've got here as well.

743
00:50:09,980 --> 00:50:12,980
I bet Picard drew a penis in the log book.

744
00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:13,980
Yeah.

745
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:15,980
I'll just write my name in there.

746
00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:16,980
Quickly draw something.

747
00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:17,980
So then he does his...

748
00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:19,980
He knows how to speak the language perfectly.

749
00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:20,980
All of a sudden.

750
00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:22,980
So he does it bang on.

751
00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:24,980
Perfectly rehearsed.

752
00:50:24,980 --> 00:50:25,980
100 years of...

753
00:50:25,980 --> 00:50:26,980
And they know exactly what he said.

754
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:28,980
100 years of failure.

755
00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:29,980
He gets it in a weekend.

756
00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:36,980
And then it cuts a bit later on and he's sat there reading a book, which he puts down.

757
00:50:36,980 --> 00:50:38,980
And Riker is a nosy fucker.

758
00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:40,980
He's just looking at the dude's book.

759
00:50:40,980 --> 00:50:44,980
It's like if it's Picard's diary on there and he's just like...

760
00:50:44,980 --> 00:50:45,980
I noticed it straight away.

761
00:50:45,980 --> 00:50:48,980
He's like looking over at what book Picard was reading.

762
00:50:48,980 --> 00:50:50,980
I thought, you're so rude.

763
00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:51,980
Yeah.

764
00:50:51,980 --> 00:50:52,980
And he didn't even knock.

765
00:50:52,980 --> 00:51:00,980
I did like that you witnessed the Tamarians do their little thing with their knife.

766
00:51:00,980 --> 00:51:01,980
Yeah.

767
00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:04,980
And that you see Picard doing it as a sign of...

768
00:51:04,980 --> 00:51:08,980
Oh, what's the word?

769
00:51:08,980 --> 00:51:12,980
It's kind of his respect to what had happened.

770
00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:13,980
Yeah.

771
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:14,980
So no one's around.

772
00:51:14,980 --> 00:51:15,980
It's like camaraderie.

773
00:51:15,980 --> 00:51:19,980
It would have been quite nice of him to do it on the bridge in front of everyone so they could have seen.

774
00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:20,980
But there you go.

775
00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:22,980
Maybe he was embarrassed by it.

776
00:51:22,980 --> 00:51:24,980
I do like this as well.

777
00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:26,980
I think I got this off Twitter.

778
00:51:26,980 --> 00:51:28,980
My language isn't so difficult.

779
00:51:28,980 --> 00:51:31,980
Shackle when the fools fell is an analogy for failure.

780
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:35,980
In your culture, an equivalent would be Twitter when Musk bought it.

781
00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:36,980
Yeah.

782
00:51:36,980 --> 00:51:37,980
Twitter when the Musk bought.

783
00:51:37,980 --> 00:51:40,980
Twitter when the Musk bought.

784
00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:52,980
Yeah.

785
00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:53,980
What did you think?

786
00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:55,980
Ultimately, what did you think of the episode?

787
00:51:55,980 --> 00:51:56,980
Really enjoyed it.

788
00:51:56,980 --> 00:51:58,980
As I said, a little bit of a slow start.

789
00:51:58,980 --> 00:52:03,980
And there are points where if we're going to start poking at it, you can poke at it.

790
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:04,980
Easily.

791
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:05,980
Just like you could with Threshold.

792
00:52:05,980 --> 00:52:08,980
Plenty of places you could if you really wanted to.

793
00:52:08,980 --> 00:52:14,980
If you wanted to just not just enjoy an episode of Star Trek and wanted to be an arsehole and start poking at it, you can do it.

794
00:52:14,980 --> 00:52:15,980
Absolutely.

795
00:52:15,980 --> 00:52:21,980
It's not one I would open up someone's start of their journey into Star Trek with.

796
00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:25,980
I'd say maybe after you've watched three or four episodes, watch that one.

797
00:52:25,980 --> 00:52:30,980
But it's one that's good, but it's not for the starter of Star Trek.

798
00:52:30,980 --> 00:52:36,980
It's a great one for the situation I was in who wanted to know what that character was.

799
00:52:36,980 --> 00:52:38,980
Yes.

800
00:52:38,980 --> 00:52:42,980
To then get sent to that and be like, OK, yeah, wicked.

801
00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:45,980
Have you ever watched the Orville?

802
00:52:45,980 --> 00:52:47,980
I've never watched Orville.

803
00:52:47,980 --> 00:52:49,980
So Orville is brilliant.

804
00:52:49,980 --> 00:53:03,980
It's up until they released Lower Decks, what I considered the most available Trek at that point that was modern, because as you know, I wasn't fond of Discovery.

805
00:53:03,980 --> 00:53:04,980
It's really good.

806
00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:06,980
It's Seth MacFarlane.

807
00:53:06,980 --> 00:53:08,980
Don't expect to be Family Guy humour.

808
00:53:08,980 --> 00:53:13,980
There is humour in it, but it's actually got so much good sci-fi in it, you'd be surprised.

809
00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:15,980
I think that's why I haven't really watched it.

810
00:53:15,980 --> 00:53:20,980
My friend Stiddy, who I've spoken about here before, he's constantly telling me to watch it because he thinks I'll like it.

811
00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:24,980
But because it is Seth MacFarlane, I think it's going to be Family Guy in space.

812
00:53:24,980 --> 00:53:25,980
It's not.

813
00:53:25,980 --> 00:53:28,980
Honestly, there are funny parts of it, but there are some really moving parts.

814
00:53:28,980 --> 00:53:37,980
The first season has a whole point about the character I'm about to show you is an all-male civilisation.

815
00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:40,980
They have a baby, and it turns out it's a female.

816
00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:44,980
And when that happens, they do a gender change.

817
00:53:44,980 --> 00:53:49,980
And one of the parents basically says, actually, I don't want that.

818
00:53:49,980 --> 00:53:54,980
And it's an entire storyline about forced gender alignment.

819
00:53:54,980 --> 00:53:55,980
It's a brilliant episode.

820
00:53:55,980 --> 00:53:58,980
It really is an eye-opening one.

821
00:53:58,980 --> 00:53:59,980
But the character is Bortus.

822
00:53:59,980 --> 00:54:01,980
He's the security officer.

823
00:54:01,980 --> 00:54:05,980
Do you wonder where they got the idea for the character design?

824
00:54:05,980 --> 00:54:07,980
Yeah, he looks like a Darmot character.

825
00:54:07,980 --> 00:54:09,980
He looks like a Temerian.

826
00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:14,980
So obviously, they do borrow quite a bit from Star Trek idea-wise in it.

827
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:17,980
But it just made me laugh when I saw Bortus.

828
00:54:17,980 --> 00:54:22,980
It looks just like that character I saw in that episode that one time on TNG.

829
00:54:22,980 --> 00:54:27,980
So I'm supposed to rate it, aren't I? Because I'm the person who didn't choose the episode, so I'm supposed to rate it.

830
00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:29,980
Did we say it was out of five or out of ten?

831
00:54:29,980 --> 00:54:30,980
Do you remember what we did?

832
00:54:30,980 --> 00:54:31,980
Did we rate it?

833
00:54:31,980 --> 00:54:33,980
I asked you to rate threshold.

834
00:54:33,980 --> 00:54:34,980
Oh, right. OK.

835
00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:36,980
Didn't I? I don't remember if it was out of five or out of ten.

836
00:54:36,980 --> 00:54:38,980
We'll do both. Out of five.

837
00:54:38,980 --> 00:54:40,980
I think four.

838
00:54:40,980 --> 00:54:42,980
So that would translate to eight out of ten then.

839
00:54:42,980 --> 00:54:43,980
Yeah, that's what I said.

840
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:45,980
Yeah, I really enjoyed it.

841
00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:47,980
Good. I'm glad you did.

842
00:54:47,980 --> 00:54:52,980
It is one of my more favourite episodes of TNG.

843
00:54:52,980 --> 00:55:00,980
You're heading into that season three and kind of seasons three, four and five, to me are probably my favourite seasons of TNG.

844
00:55:00,980 --> 00:55:03,980
It got really into a good position.

845
00:55:03,980 --> 00:55:08,980
The characters were fairly well developed at this point and the storylines got to be really good.

846
00:55:08,980 --> 00:55:11,980
I mean, we'd started to get the Borg up here.

847
00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:14,980
We got a really big Borg storyline at this point as well.

848
00:55:14,980 --> 00:55:21,980
We got the best of both worlds where Picard, it's a cross between two seasons, end of one season, beginning of the next season.

849
00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:23,980
So, yeah, it's...

850
00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:25,980
Yeah, no, I agree with you.

851
00:55:25,980 --> 00:55:28,980
I would go with the same rating on that.

852
00:55:28,980 --> 00:55:32,980
And I'm glad you said season three, four and five are your favourites because I'm going to make you watch season one.

853
00:55:32,980 --> 00:55:34,980
No, I love all of them.

854
00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:37,980
And, Gohan, what episode are we watching?

855
00:55:37,980 --> 00:55:42,980
So, I haven't seen this episode, but it looks really cool.

856
00:55:42,980 --> 00:55:49,980
So, it's season one, episode 25 of The Next Generation and it's called Conspiracy.

857
00:55:49,980 --> 00:55:56,980
And I honestly think what we need to do, as you've never seen this episode, and I have,

858
00:55:56,980 --> 00:56:03,980
I would like us to try something out new, which is either we do it at yours or you come over here,

859
00:56:03,980 --> 00:56:07,980
we sit on the sofa and we do the episode live on recording.

860
00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:13,980
So, we talk about it and we'll pause every now and then and talk about it as we go.

861
00:56:13,980 --> 00:56:14,980
Yeah, I'm up for that.

862
00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:17,980
Or even you watch the episode and then we do what I just said.

863
00:56:17,980 --> 00:56:22,980
So, you've had one clean run of it so you don't get any kind of stopping and whatever.

864
00:56:22,980 --> 00:56:25,980
And then we'll go through it with it on in the background.

865
00:56:25,980 --> 00:56:29,980
I think that's what we should do and to talk over it as we go.

866
00:56:29,980 --> 00:56:31,980
The microphones, we'll make sure it doesn't get cut in and so on.

867
00:56:31,980 --> 00:56:34,980
Or even if we do, we'll run it in so it's all nicely done.

868
00:56:34,980 --> 00:56:41,980
But yeah, I'd like to do that for that episode because it's, when you watch it, you'll see why.

869
00:56:41,980 --> 00:56:49,980
It is a good episode, but it's also something you will not see again in TNG to that extent.

870
00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:50,980
Yeah.

871
00:56:50,980 --> 00:56:51,980
Cool.

872
00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:52,980
Awesome.

873
00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:56,980
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874
00:56:56,980 --> 00:57:01,980
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875
00:57:01,980 --> 00:57:02,980
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00:57:31,980 --> 00:57:32,980
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00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:38,980
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886
00:57:38,980 --> 00:57:42,980
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00:57:55,980 --> 00:58:02,980
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890
00:58:02,980 --> 00:58:05,980
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00:58:05,980 --> 00:58:06,980
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00:58:06,980 --> 00:58:14,980
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