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and welcome to insert star trek name here we're still working on that one ideally when
that star wars oh bar looks i got it wrong you don't even really like star wars right
no no no don't say that i just realized that the first three films i.e four five and six
are incredibly slow and boring when you go back and watch them now compared to everything else
that's been created since and i've got to say as much as people slam it and we've said about it
before with the disney star wars being a star wars for this generation it's my star wars for my
gen i like it yeah i think it's good it's fast it's action-filled it's what i want i've watched the
old ones and i think fuck me i'm a bit bored now have you seen any of the things with this a star
trek not star wars but we're into it now tough go with us where they were slamming it okay you like
it different scenarios of how they could have blown up the death star and one of them is where
obi one is fighting Darth Vader and he just turns his lightsaber on and drops it and it goes straight
through the death star and it just gets sucked into the vacuum i've seen that but can i also point out
i don't think you really need plans if you see a giant skeletal structure of something the size of
a moon being built you should probably try and attack it at that point yeah yeah kind of um unless
it came out of the ground that's the one that i didn't like in the latest star wars all of the um
um imperial ships slowly coming out of the ground and being raised up by the emperor at that point
on the death but it's like okay i'm not a scientist but they're a big vessel like that when it kind
of have its own kind of gravitational well it's not just to do that it's the fact that they're
all buried underground they've all got a fully equipped staff and canteen no doubt and it's just
why is it being built underground in the grip anyway right star trek enter authorization code
yeah so star trek well we'd neither of us have actually watched any new star trek that we want
to talk about no we're behind on lower decks but i do want to have a semi recurring feature other
than the one that we do have and that is i you've got a pretty decent star trek knowledge i don't
think so but i'm sure people will tell me i haven't when they hear me talk about it i don't care what
they say i care what you say i don't care what they say and i pitched you this idea earlier today
and it was tom's trek trivia right that's not the title i'm going to keep but that's the card we're
having right now i'll think of something better and what it is i don't want to be known as the ttt
there's elements yeah you'll have a different cloak the the the there's elements of star trek
sorry tom that i don't understand because my memory is terrible fair enough i'm not particularly
clever enough for some of the sci-fi bits and one that is really bugging me at the moment is the
the help me pronounce her name noon in sing noon in sing noon in sing and her relationship with
calm i do not understand any of the calm stuff or anything so i'm challenging you in 30 seconds
i'm going to set a timer on my phone you've got 30 seconds to explain to me and the viewer listener
whatever you want to call it what the fuck is going on okay and you know what you even warned me
about this and i didn't even bother researching it and i'm now really panicking thinking i should
have actually researched this a little bit more so let me get my timer up on my phone would you
like to take a moment to think about it no no no no i'm i'm i'm gonna go for it and are you ready tom
as ready as i can be starts now okay so earth went through a really shit time as we know in
first contact okay we turn up and they've just survived the whole war thing and they're coming
into warp oh jeez is showing in the time 20 seconds so during that time and a little bit
further on genetics then come about and the genetic wars where basically they try and make humans
far better it gets outruled because those humans are just absolute arseholes and they try and take
over the world and they're sent out into space uh and relegated from space and karn noon in sing
came from the scientist called union sing yes i'm done right i have no idea who karn is so i
come back with us next time for star trek i'm gonna finish describing this one
let's stop again okay
the karn union sing is a genetically modified human being
from the era of earth where genetics were considered is it a good idea to make superior
human beings yes it is they were then created they then tried to take over the earth and they were
relegated from earth and um the new union sing we know in strange new worlds um is from the same
family of the basically the creator that did the genetic work and yeah she she's hated for that
exact reason so she's hated because she's a descendant of these people that were part of this
original correct and then if you get to and i'm gonna this is the one bit of knowledge i am happy
with the original series the episode is called space seed they come across a what they think is a
derelict ship and it's cryogenically freezing karn frozen karn and his crew who then try and take
over the enterprise and carry on their wrong ways by proving that they're all slightly nutcase and
they just want to take over and be the higher being right now i want you to enter where i'm
really confused how can she go back she who is before when no no no she's just in the family
it's a family name and you know family names come for years and years and years i know but
but she knows who karn is the actual karn right she doesn't no she goes back in time in strange
new worlds and sees karn as a child she knows who he is oh yes but she is a timeline before
from what i know that captain kirk has met karn as captain kirk isn't captain kirk yet in her
timeline he's still well yeah strange new worlds obviously the the time in both their timeline
at that point is before he takes control of the enterprise so how does she know who karn is when
he from what i don't understand that the things he has done hasn't been done yet no what more doesn't
make sense is how can she meet karn as a child okay no so the time they go back they go back in time
and that's before so he's been genetically modified already he's growing up genetically
modified yeah and it must be when he's grown up that he they get relegated from earth and it's
outlawed but what then doesn't really make sense is surely she should have been outlawed as well
if she's part of the genetic modified unless they weren't as genetic modified and there was a specific
cutoff point for what's been done to them and what hasn't been done to them honestly i'm not sure
at that point then but in theory it's yeah it's a family tree and she knows i can't maybe she's
gone back and met but because he is from their family yeah um and yeah it kind of it's jumping
around all over the place um i will tell you it properly next week i will do proper research on
it and i will try that 30 second challenge again and see if i can do it next time then next week
is this same challenge again 30 seconds two weeks time next episode we may get i know i did the same
accessing library computer data so we watched an episode of you chose voyager voyager so it was
season two episode 15 episode 15 threshold threshold do you say that's right yeah yeah i know but they
say every fucking minute of that episode they did it a lot wasn't it a sexy episode too did you did
you get that yeah everything seemed like a section when you ended and i feel like jane wade was just
after oh she's moist for paris all the way through oh so i can't really believe i just said she's moist
for paris that's just really i don't miss that yeah it's grim she was moist and thought he was lush
they they were so let me give you some yeah right yeah give us a synopsis of the episode
as best as you can got a one paragraph explains the listeners that may not have seen the episode
threshold so tom paris dirty kim and half breed are trying to get to walk 10 i don't i can never
remember the names right tom paris don't again don't again boulana torres oh yeah boulana torres
sorry not half breed right i'm just going down the route that that's just really racist i think
yeah sorry about that everyone sorry for all the half klingons out there the you xenophobic
sweat yeah yeah you naughty boy um they are trying to get to warp 10 and they want to be the first
people to get to warp 10 um spoilers no spoilers you all should have watched it there's no spoilers
here you're all you've had two weeks to watch threshold so they get to warp 10 well what happens
is he tom paris ends up being everywhere in the universe all at once and starts mega revolving
and apparently in the future we mega evolve into new sexy newt's sexy newt's um things happen he gets
hold of jane way she turns into sexy newt's sexy time happen baby newt's they come back they're no
longer um newt's anymore all is well he wears a really attractive blue nightgown he does indeed
right now the worst part about this episode is that it only takes about five minutes for neelix
to appear okay right hang on right first of all i've got a little quiz for you oh wicked i'm a doctor
not a mechanic i want i've got five questions you chose this episode so i'm hoping you have the
answers to these go on so you should because in theory if you chose this episode it means this is
an episode you've watched more than once well or it's a favorite i've definitely seen this one more
than fine i've seen it twice bear in mind it's rated as the third worst trek episode i'll get
stuffed is it in all of trek it all of it i've seen some pretty howling episodes of star trek
so you've really asked this question uh answered even what what factor are the crew trying to
achieve or surpass ten ten aka threshold the threshold it just takes me there's a family
guy episode where pete is in the cinema and he says i love it in the film when they say the title of
the film in the film do it let's shave the cat oh boy i usually only get this excited when they say
the title of a movie in the movie i'm telling you these drug dealers represent a clear and present
danger to the united states yeah he said it he said it all i'm saying is what if this is as good as
it gets yeah there it is there it is the only way for me to solve this crisis is to be superman four
the quest for peace oh that's why they call it that oh no he's got past the threshold it's
like they're looking to cameras like the threshold and then they're back again okay who comes up with
the solution to the problem fucking neelix does i've got neelix i don't really think he does
actually uh dirty kim is actually i think the one he really comes up with the what percentage chance
of an issue did the doctor to paris would have this is so bollocks boom two percent but right no
i'm not even gonna say that because we will discuss that well as we discuss the episode
this i really hope you get because it would just show how geeky you are yeah go on what was the
issue that would stop paris what are his reasoning to stop no that the doctor's reasoning there is a
specific thing wrong with tom that that two percent could cause a brain hemorrhage or something
because what it was it was going to do to him it was an enzymatic imbalance oh an enzymatic
imbalance of course it was bullshit chat isn't it future chat and we'll see if you get this one
because this makes me angry well it doesn't get me angry but we'll talk about it what does
chakrity chakrity chakrity shout before he shoots the sex nudes
i don't really say like i don't know which one is the girl or which one is the boy
is there someone like that doesn't he no he just opens fucking fire on him he doesn't say a god damn
thing no because then two bucks mate it's like yeah well that that one's got the female bits yeah
glad you've been perving at their them them two what's that he says something like that doesn't he
he's like which one's yeah that one's gonna be the one's the girl and which one's the boy and he goes
and then he does make a bit of a comment like that doesn't it yeah but basically before all of that
ham yeah it's before that chakrity they come through the bush they're heading through the
bush and you go with the tricorder it's like they're over here they walk up and chakrity just goes
yeah he just was at a moment yeah is it are you on stun are you on kill level 10
you just open fire do you is that yeah you can imagine if he shoots the first one and they just
evaporate he goes oh fuck turns out as well looks like he's all shitting oh there's so much to talk
about there's so much to talk about let's let's go back turn evaporate down to zero yeah yeah we all
didn't see that did we guys to where to walk where's to live your report where's to vixx okay right hang on
a moment it's dead jump I can't believe this was rated the third worst star trek oh do you do you
agree with that I saw I'm getting high pitched I thought it was an okay episode it is shit but
why did not shit it is bad but it's not it's not the worst I think the acting isn't very good but
I just think it's just a silly episode it is it's it's it's a bit of fun well it's good enough to
make it into lower decks what exactly or maybe it's bad enough to make it into load and maybe
that's why lower decks put it in there that's a very big possibility so I've got here here we go
little Tommy paris is in a shuttle trying to get to trans warp working um then I couldn't remember
if they built the delta fly yet but that's later isn't it they never go to trans warp again though
do they no never again never happens again as far as I'm aware so there's only season two there's like
multiple seasons of this it's like seven or eight seasons of it I bought this hub in my
chat I don't know again I I've watched Star Trek way more than you obviously sorry is there's there's
yeah dickheads who live down the road who like putting big exhausts on their crappy car so I
know what else could hear that I was really bugging me when you were talking no it really
bugs me as well living near him because you see what happens every year he goes for his MOT comes
back and then he puts the new exhaust back on yeah an idiot yeah that's sorry interrupt right
so notes I've got here he's doing this to get to trans warp yeah yes so in oh the search for Spock
yeah the Excelsior's in space dock and Scott I think it's a search for Spock pretty sure it is
Scotty throws a spanner in the works and breaks their trans warp drive
and that's a long time before Voyager yeah that's original series era of Star Trek so um
um trans warp already exists at that point and it's not like they say oh this trans warp drive is
isn't being testing before it's being rolled out but it's not theoretical testing it's we've put it
on what's going to be our new front line ship here um because even the captain of it before he
realizes it's been sabotaged is they're not going to get away the new trans warp drive will
will easily get past them yeah and the Enterprise at that point's got warp 9 capable so
yeah I'm sorry trans warp already exists well Voyager see I think he went up to like 9.6 or 9.8
before the ship was shaking that to slow down I was like yeah exactly yeah it gets 9.8 but then
also the Voyage home Star Trek film they get to 9.8 as they slingshot round the sun to do time travel
so you can time travel and that's in a crappy bird of prey a fair few years before Voyager again
so I'm sorry but I'm kind of feeling like a little bit um they're kind of just jumping the
shark a little bit just going yeah you know what we'll say trans warp doesn't exist it already
existed in canon yeah so that kind of then led to the X bit for me as well and sorry I'm not
talking about this so much really at the very beginning of it and maybe that's why people
don't like the episode in the next generation there is a whole episode dedicated to this alien
species who are on the Enterprise trying to get them to listen to their plea about these
anomalies that are opening up in space yeah I think it's either season one or season two and
the resulting of it is is one of the alien scientists commits suicide to prove his point
that anything above warp nine I think it's anything above warp nine or it might be warp
a oh no it's warp nine I think anything above warp nine is opening up space tears in space
and causing these anomalies which are destroying his solar system yeah and that's anywhere in
space this is happening so then there's a whole they even say in the episode from now on unless
there's a life or death absolute situation Starfleet will no longer go above what whatever it is right
and then we've got the Voyager here going yeah well it's not our quadrant is it fucking yeah
we'll just tear some holes in the in the anonymous space here and we'll just we'll just destroy it
it's fine well I mean I get him back to the episode those bits kind of bugged me with the
they were the bits that bugged me about the episode that that's where I'm honest that's
where I can see it fell down and maybe that's why it got rated as it did yeah well I mean they're
on the holodack anyway they're doing a test run and they find that initial bit yeah and it fails
and fails and I made a comment of where he turned it off what he sat on the floor so did he fall
to the floor because he was in a seat well exactly because I'm he's not like sat on the floor with his
legs straight out in front of him on that that he's sat on a seat yeah where's the seat gone
and then so then I made the comment on discord I was like if he was in a on a gantry in the
holodeck a holodeck gantry and they turned it off would he plummet a whole floor to the ground
questions that never get answered about the holodeck the people that are up yeah 10 floors up
in a skyscraper looking over a beautiful planet skate and the people down on the ground when it
turns off what do they suddenly see yeah how does that work I think it's some I forgot if it's explained
in it's either explained in tng or it might even be explained in voyager um they say basically
each person is seeing a different their own their own part of it so it's all projected around them
it's all hard like on the ground so imagine you've got a kind of circle around you being drawn at all
time and then when you're stood next to someone who's in the same place as you it joins up and
you're walking on like a treadmill maybe you're not actually moving around the holodeck if you're
walking upstairs try to say that yeah basically you your your brain is subconsciously being turned
all the time by the uh the holodeck so you think you're walking a straight line but actually you're
walking around a curve and but what you're seeing is a straight line so that's how they've tried to
get around it I believe yeah that's why and another comment I made because we've talked about it
before on lower decks about cleaning the dirty I would hate to go in I'd hate to be the man
cleaning it off the dirty dirty Kim's been in there yeah he is up there with Geordie LaForge
let's face it Geordie wants a girlfriend he's in that we even see he creates a fucking fake version
of a starfleet person and falls in love with her you know he's been there late at night half cut
I'm getting that program I've seen interviews with both of them and they've both said how they
didn't like how their characters have been portrayed in certain episodes yeah Lavar Burton I must
he's the most lovely person in the world uh and you look at all the good stuff he's done
for charity and everything else and then you look at his character and he's such a horrible dirty
lech anytime a woman's mentioned he is he's worse than Ryker and he's a bit of a knob is well in
Picard isn't he at the beginning of the Picard bit it's a bit of a knob yes but I think the idea
of that is because he feels like he went off to carry on doing starfleet stuff Ryker's gone off
and done his own stuff and then basically they're just coming to him because they need help rather
than staying in contact with him as a friend yeah that's kind of what that felt like I guess but um
yeah dirty Kim as you call him the same reasoning again everything about him is either getting
his promotion or getting laid and I know it's not about getting in his eyes and what it's portrayed
as is he just wants a relationship and to be happy but it's so lechy it is lechy yeah and like
the first episode the seven of nines in and he's just like ogling at ogling over I was like yeah
okay we get it she's extremely attractive but he's lechy in that yes which is why I call him dirty
Kim uh it's when we get the greatest interval time I don't know I prefer the DS9 music
yeah I like the french ones I just it's just something about Voyager there's just it just
tickles me Voyager and then Voyager is your star trick and I didn't I didn't realize how late it was
1995 at first aired and I don't think I ever watched an episode of Voyager until I didn't
even know Voyager existed until 99 2000 yeah and that's when I started catching up and I think it's
because BBC2 started showing it on Trek Tuesday or Thursday and that's when I started watching
and got really into it and then we have a really good intro and then within minutes we've got
Neelix so I've got written oh piss off Neelix how on earth can you help and I wrote fuck me
Neelix immediately he's such a nosy bastard and then oh seriously Neelix has the answer oh I hate him
these people are natural born idiots if you ask me
oh yeah and then my next comment is look how innocent Kim looks
because this is all but this is only series two this is pre dirty boy yeah yeah absolutely this is
still I'm looking good in the eyes of the captain trying to be squeaky clean and he hasn't been
promoting he's got one people two pip didn't have two because Paris two because he gets
promoted at the end of the series doesn't he um oh yeah then I write look how innocent Kim looks
before seven and all the other crushes spoil him can I also just point out he said fucking Neelix
I didn't like lez either cares we know you meant yeah cares and then what it dawned on me I think
that should be a new name I write that piss Nixon where are we in there
oh my god I didn't see that before where we're in that um you've written I've done
that who piss off the Neelix oh you've done it in your I've written it on you've done it as a
reply so yeah it's under my my section no I gotta go back to see where I write hang on but I'm just
saying thinking about it today I don't like Kez as a character I don't like Neelix as a character
what I really don't like is the idea that I'm pretty sure that she says I'm about one year old
when they've rescued her yeah which means Neelix says he's been trying for ages to get her back
back he's been cracking that one since she was pre one years old and I don't care if you're an alien
race or not there is no way in one year you can do a whole kid's teenage young adult amount of
information to someone it's just creepy I never clocked that until you're saying it now it's creepy
as fuck I mean them being one year old and being treated as full on adult is creepy as it is but
then to think that basically Neelix has been trying to nail it before that it just makes it really
creepy oh yeah I found it fucking Neelix I didn't like Lez either Kez bloody Lez I think we should
name her that now Pislix and Lez yeah so annoyingly Neelix does have the answer annoyingly he does
come up with this you know it pushes them to the solution and I've got to say as well you're
saying about earlier that you weren't smart enough for the the science that's one thing that is always
argued about Star Wars say oh we're all about the story Star Trek has always been joked about
being trekking the trek it's always been kind of science and technology side of it they really
jumped the shark we're saying it's not the nacelles coming off it's the shuttle crate shuttle
shuttlecraft's body coming off that's the same fucking thing the thing you'll notice I think
about Voyager is that I just think I just got the mic they um they love saying the Star Trek words
but I don't think they really put them in anything that makes sense no they're no data whereas I think
that all the other Star Treks actually do really particularly the new ones like Strangely Worlds
and Lower Decks do really good at actually doing trek trek actually feels like they're talking about
real things in those yeah whereas I just think they just wanted to say the word nacelles they
wanted to say nacelles they wanted to say enzymatic imbalance they wanted to say shit it means nothing
it means nothing in Voyager that's twaddle you've got to just I think it's like the writers in it
weren't Star Trek writers in some way I don't know if it improves in the later seasons and I've
got to watch the whole of it again I've got to say I've struggled to watch through the whole of
season one and keep going it felt like I've watched it a couple of times I don't have a need to watch
it again anymore I want to watch it from the beginning get all the way to the end because
when they get into the whole Borg stuff that's great yeah it's brilliant but these first couple
of seasons are quite hard going yeah I can't wait for one of us to choose the episode where
the aliens have overrun Voyager and they're basically living in the holodeck and they're all
living out kind of World War two with aliens yeah we'll get there that's a really good episode
so anyway they get to warp 10 they break the threshold yeah and by this point they've said
threshold what 30 times they've been named a few times yeah and then they are talking about it in
the ready room and Janeway is fucking all over him oh god yeah she cannot take her eyes off him
and she's complimenting him and yeah there's tension she wanted a bad boy that's why she went
to prison to get him yeah she didn't choose prison pigeon she chose him yeah prison pigeons never
got over that you imagine that in the star trek if we've got a right to lower decks and say
in the next series can you have a star trek character based on a pigeon please yeah can you please um
yeah no I know exactly what you mean there is a lot of sexual energy going on between them I wrote
a comment about that and I wrote she's really flirting with Paris she just can't wait to bump
lizard uglies with him so this is what you're missing not being on discord yeah and interestingly so
I think this is before Janeway goes and tells him that it can't happen blah blah blah I put here
excluding Picard because genuinely with Picard you do get it especially when you go back to the
episode where they lose um what's her name to the black blob um excluding Picard for a subset of his
staff you do get a good feeling that Janeway cares for the crew yes you do just feel like she
she is being the best captain she can be um and she genuinely has the want to look after
the crew there isn't a this and them sort of feeling from her yeah yeah I get that um and
then I've also got here oh I love the doctor the doctor is one of the best characters in star trek
full stop yeah absolutely really good even where especially when they do like the episodes that
adjust him like when he gets the the hard light kind of thing it's actually sorry red dwarf there yeah
and then he gets the the transbond lets him walk around the ship yes and then he gets it upgraded
and he can come off the ship well that again he's the one that um saves the day in that episode
I was talking about with the aliens in the world war two because he gets powered on doesn't he to
uh help heal them so they can go back into the the holo the holo game as it was um
so we've got to end zematic imbalances at this point yeah and so first of all I've got written
here I don't know what you wrote pretty sure two percent chance on Voyager is the same as 100%
yeah pretty much and I think it's actually pretty good odds for being on a spaceship
in space it's kind of a really busy thing oh the doctor says she doesn't think he doesn't
think you should do it harry kibb on the other hand is absolutely fine to do it a two percent chance
what's the chance they're going to die just flying voyager every day yeah going into the quadrant
they don't know with not enough dilithium no coffee on board because she's always after that
fucking coffee I'm sure that percentage goes up every day but the thing is the thing about warp
right is that they need to make sure they're not going to warp into a planet on their way right
yes so that's what the computer's doing and those are all the planets are so you can okay I can warp
to you to hear I've got to figure out the journey you can't do that in a quadrant that you don't
don't know where the planets are I never even thought about that but then again didn't they just
still all get star charts off neelix's yeah probably because I think that's what they do pretty well
in star wars you see it like you know setting up the hyperdrive and it takes a long time
because it's not just charging up I think it's the computer figuring out can you fucking do it or not
how long before you can make the jump to light speed take a few moments to get the coordinates
from the navi computer you're kidding it's right there gaining travel through hyperspacing like
dust and crops boy about precise calculations we'd fly right through a star or bounce too close to a
supernova and then it injured certain real quick wouldn't you well and they they do it quite well
don't they is it in um solo the film called solo where he's got to do the multiple jump jumps and
they do the whole whatever the famous run is that he did at speed the kessel run they do it well
because they show he's like the amount of calculations I need to do to do this and it's yeah exactly
they do it really well in that whereas this is almost always like plot a course two seconds later
make it so but of the comment I'm making about this so he has a two percent chance of I'm calling it
a brain hemorrhage because that's just easier of happening to him when he's on the shuttle now
if that they implement this onto the actual ship he still has the same two percent chance because
he's still on a ship yes doing the trans warp what fucking difference does it make for the he's doing
on the shuttle or doing in the ship so she's willing to put his life at risk when it's on the ship
and can get her home but she's not willing to do it when it's just him risking it oh I've got here
it feels like Janeway just pulled a Beatles about on him it's a sorry you can't do it yeah it's a
bummer isn't it only joking it is Jeremy Beedle with his his microphone he's dressed up as the
doctor yeah don't worry Tom you can do it really yeah that weird kimono esque really short oh thing
he was wearing was pretty neat costume but they've done that before and don't forget the early series
of TNG and then the skirts so you've got men walking around in skirts and it's just genuinely
accepted that there's all these different types of clothing and I think that's what Voyager did
nicely the continuation of the the uniform design yeah kind of fits in with kind of first
contacts and generations and deep space nine but they've kept that yeah no one had no one's
frigid anymore no one cares about whether something's too short or not so it's there why wouldn't it
yeah and it suited him I thought it suited him very well beautiful color on him
um so yeah I've got back to ha ha fuck off Neelix um
did did it did it did it what else so I wrote there were a giant spaceship in space there's
probably more chance of the spaceship spontaneously combusting than this brain thing the doctor
said that Barrett has and then I write here we go walk to the factor 5678 uh yes yes yes yes yes
so off he goes in their test shuttle and they managed to break threshold but then they lose
trace of him so I made a funny ha ha ha I went it's newt looking good for Tom right now yeah
that's terrible so he does the drive and then he says something about it plotting loads of
star charts and you see Janeway's eyes light up so yeah going to exactly what you were just saying
so he goes off and they come back they're checking out the shuttle and it's like there's
not even petabytes so I've forgotten what they say there's some stupid number yeah there is just
star charts for systems that we've never even got near yeah so they've got this huge sun library
but it does then make you wonder why on earth does Starfleet send out starships when a shuttle craft
can get all of this data back yeah and store it yeah so now they know they could and was it you
that said why don't they just set the computer up to return the shuttle back yeah why don't they
set it up the second time this is um when they realize that he's lost control because yeah he says
when I was going and we hit trans warp I felt like I was outside I felt like I was everywhere all at
once and then I just had this calling to say come home and I made it happen and that's kind of how
they left it a very airy fairy way of ending that bit but yeah they bring back and they come
they find the shuttle craft they recover it and they get all the star charts and so on yeah um
but yeah wouldn't you put in a computer program to say after x amount of time just stop yeah it's
like a drone but then again this is your home drone but if they did that and it stopped they've stopped
after doing trans warp speed in a sector that they're nowhere near and void you could never go and
catch up with him yeah I suppose so then they'd have then you'd have to say to the computer
return back at trans warp to this same location so I don't I don't know if that would have actually
been possible or not um but it does come into it later because he steals Janeway takes her on the
shuttlecraft they go to trans warp Voyager finds him randomly crashed on a planet so are we saying
that sex nutes eventually evolving in this suddenly decided to stop at a planet that was just about
nearby for Voyager to find them well we've walked quite a yeah let's let's go back so sorry so they're
back and Tom's basically starting to have a few problems isn't he yeah he's going a bit manic
a little bit manic is uh yeah it's going to say yeah yeah it's manic's quite a good one I've got a
lot of staff league officers have dad your mummy issues by the way Ryker and his dad Paris and his
dad Mariner and his mum um and then we really didn't need to know about his virginity because
he's going manic at that point it's like why have you suddenly brought that up going on about
his bedroom when he was a kid and all he says I lost my virginity there and even the doctors like
I'm a hologram and I don't need to know this shit yeah even I'm embarrassed and I'm a program
yeah I've read your file Tom and in the future we know you lied you lost your virginity when you
were 30 yeah yeah we've led yeah it it's weird and the acting of Tom Paris is weird from now on
it is but I can understand why they made it weird because they're making him
evolve and he ends up with nice looking kfc skin uh and of course the prosthetics were really good
yeah the makeup's cool I paused it and rewound a couple of times to realize that his neck it's
pulsating is pulsating yeah so there's they they've put in little bladders here and there to make it
do different bits which is a little thing but practical effects just looks just looks so much
better than CGI and when you've actually got something physically pulsating on the side of
your head you can't help but think that looks real so what's happening to me is he's he's they don't
know this at point but he's speed evolving millennia of human evolution yes and also
which means apparently your tongue drops off brain that's a gross bit what a great bit of
prosthetics he pulls his tongue out um that and also but also he's his brain activity is getting
bigger so he's getting cleverer but he he's must be hiding it because you don't get that impression
until he escapes yes he's hiding it isn't he or at least that's the indication I'm taking from the
fact that you don't realize he's super clever until literally he escapes and they go oh yeah he's
brains firing at whatever but we're kind of also skipping a bit here as well because we'll come back
to that because it's actually a really important bit about Belana and the doctor but we're skipping
the part he dies yeah he dies so he can't breathe they managed to get him breathing in a sealed
environment and he dies everything stops um well I particularly like we've already got the idea that
Nelix doesn't particularly like Tom Paris because he thinks Tom Paris is after shagging Kes and we
already know that Kes kind of makes soft little come to bed eyes at Tom Paris he's a kiss she
doesn't catch any disease so my favorite bit is that I've written nails um doc it really wouldn't
be appropriate to drag Kes in for the choppy chop on Paris's body because he's like oh I'll see you
tomorrow morning Kes when we'll do an autopsy on Tom yeah it's really like yeah you might want to do
that on your own doc because everyone here kind of liked him yeah yeah he was a popular dude but
yeah then he comes back to life and I've got oh shit son Tom's a time lord now because he's like
he's got two hearts yeah two hearts come out of nowhere um and then yeah um oh and also is it me
or did this not go any further the dickhead trading stuff with the bad guys
you see him oh yeah no because that's a continued story throughout episodes okay fine so yeah this
is when Trek suddenly along with DS9 started going for multiple episodes of the same storyline
so this is one of the reveals of who the because I think they're aware that something's happening
or maybe just the the people you know the viewer is aware that there's a spy on the ship irony
there's no spiders anywhere to be seen tune in last week for that one to tune into the main
episode to understand what that is would that have been last week's wouldn't it that would
have been last week's yeah all spiders are ironic and the yeah so that's just a it's that's a continued
story throughout that we so I don't know if this is the moment you actually see I might know it's
next week's episode sorry yeah just look out for the episode called is an ironic or whatever it's
something along those lines sorry yeah carry on yeah so I don't know if this is the episode actually
the first time you see who the spy is but I think you kind of you know because this is episode like
11 of that season and this is why it's coming through um but you do see that guy earlier on
in the background and the camera kind of focuses a little bit on him and he kind of turns the
camera like he's listening into them yeah did you notice that yeah yeah so that if this is the only
episode like for you that's a very odd bit but it is something that's continued but it shows you
how much I've forgotten about Voyager as well because I completely forgot that as a storyline
going on yeah I forgot about it too um so yeah coming back to it then um especially as we're
coming up to 42 minutes at the moment oh gosh um it's fine this is gonna be this is a new idea for
us this show so it's gonna be what it's gonna be until we've kind of fleshed it out a bit um
I hate that Belana says the changes that we need to do that the doctors ask are going to take three
hours she hasn't met Scotty Scotty has not told her if it's going to take one hour say three hours
because then you're a miracle worker yeah instead the doctor just shouts her says well you've got an
hour or he's dead and we lose him so she does it in an hour is it just a little um there's padding
your time and there's padding your time and I don't know if it's a little throwback is it a little nod
is it a nod or is it an homage maybe fair enough um but then yeah then Tom gets away and he steals
Janeway I know we've missed the zinger the doctor zinger oh have we got to that bit yeah where they
talk about the coffee that Neelix makes and the doctor makes the best fucking joke oh yes you're
right um is that what I got written oh yes that's what I've got Neelix burn number nine no no no
yeah so there's I can't remember it now but somebody says something about I noticed when he goes in
he goes he just had a coffee yeah no wonder he's yeah he's like no buddy wonder he's like yeah
brilliant what a sick bird it comes it comes out of nowhere because it's the doctor saying it and
it's very funny yeah so where we yeah so you're right that's just as he goes in before he dies
then he evolves more then he escapes the doctor says we have to do this inside of an hour not
three hours Belana um and what they try and do doesn't work Tom escapes steals Janeway get into the
shuttle does he bite Janeway I don't think you just see him get her in the yeah so why does she
suddenly start evolving at the quicker speed and ending up as a sex nuke well they are on the
planet on the planet for like two weeks or something before Voyager gets there okay well
that makes a bit more sense so he thinks she's actually only a couple of days behind him fine
okay that would explain that and that would also explain why she turns up in uniform and he's still
in his sexy bed and she he doesn't in fact I'm just thinking of it now she only gets infected
because he puts her in the shuttle and they go transwarp yeah they go transwarp that's
that's what I was trying to work out is that why she ends up else les would have got infected if
it's just something that you can get from touching or kissing you or she kisses him but then this also
points out that anytime they go above warp 10 this is going to happen yeah so problematic for all
the other times that maybe they've walked in in the anyway um yeah and that brings us to my my
favorite part you hear them saying right oh they're over here thanks jackatay just uh
cote I'm never gonna say his name right jackatay jackatay so um thanks jackatay so uh
yeah just turns up and just point blank shoots them yeah there's no what do you think we should
put them in stasis shall we beam them up as they are no let's shoot them first don't we don't know
what that's going to do to them we don't know about their physiology at this point the last time we saw
them tom you could peel off kfc skin and jane way was normal for all we know even on stun he's
going to blow a hole through one of them yeah but no just straight up there and shoot them yeah evaporate
them he it's and then there's three little ones just swim off I really really you said it I think
privately to me I want lower decks to do an episode where they find where there's a whole planet of
these newts that have come from those three original that would be genius that would be so so funny
yeah that would be brilliant wouldn't it yeah oh we've identified a planet of a oh so what about
prime directive they're in they don't know if this planet won't they know this planet has maybe never
been visited if they're the only live forms on there and they're not sure that's them haven't
they just broken the prime director by turning up and just shooting two unknown live forms they
who knows oh dear and then yeah then we get to the whole so we fucked awkward moment yeah and
like he's apologizing to her and then she goes on to have some whole dirty kim she is dirty kim
but she's up for it like let me just get my other notes let's not forget she's got a partner waiting
at home who's looking after her dogs yeah and by the way it goes well remembered yeah talk about
Paris fucking his way to the top he gets a promotion oh yeah doesn't he so he shags the captain gets
promoted yeah and she loved it I'm gonna promote you you do not talk about the newt babies we made
yeah like sounds really awful for me she loved it and I'm saying that because just the way she's
talking to him and he's like oh yeah I'm really sorry and she's like well how do you know they
wasn't the female of the species and they shade the sex and she's like proper staring at him
exactly it's full on I did it I pinned you down as a newt yeah it wasn't you it was me I was in
control and Paris is like I'm not sure if I consented she she didn't ask if he wanted a cup of
tea yeah exactly oh yeah so I what what have I wrote maybe if two vicks yeah that's what that
was a comment I wrote to myself so obviously we haven't wrote people who have watched the last
the lower decks will know about two vicks yes that's gonna be one of my episodes that's got
some baby because it's such a good all yours you can pick it but it makes you wonder if I wrote I
wonder if two vicks had gotten his knees would he still be alive so that's one comment and then
I want everybody to watch those last two or three minutes again that last interaction
and if you didn't think it was full of section in your window just watch it again yeah thinking that
it is and you'll see a completely different episode which is what I saw it was all about sex
I forgot I'd written this by the way at the end of your talk I've put because you say
go Janeway's eyes lighting up the prospect and knowing all the star charts blah blah blah
Janeway the destroyer if Star Trek was a Marvel product she destroys everything she can
you think about all the things she does two vicks yep killed murdered as low experts yeah
and just non-stop even when the Borg is like we'll have a truce I'm gonna destroy them secretly
yeah one thing I've got to mention the neural stimulator the doctor puts on yes it's like
putting a d-fib but to his brain well that's it that it's the modern version it's it's the brain
fib so would you rate it out out of I'm not no let's not do a rating number
I was gonna say proper numbers out of ten
with all the faults that I found in it it didn't dissuade from the enjoyment of it
whether or not I agree with it being the third worst track I don't know but I put it maybe six
out of ten five six it's a it's a fairly middling of the road episode yeah I wouldn't give it
anything more than that what about you I don't think I should rate it because I chose it oh fair
enough so I think you should rate it because you didn't choose it I've I've forced this episode
upon you so you should be the ones to give it a rating no I go well I will go with five and a half
at five point five out of ten right in the middle of that five and six I can't really place a number
on it so we'll go between the two okay transfer complete and with that with my arms wide open
I'm trying to think of what else I can say with my arms wide open podcast recording
Rob and Tom enjoy Darmock and that will not be a very good impression of it but yeah
I am gonna get you to watch Star Trek the next generation it's season five I think I said it was
let me just check our chat very very quickly this is everybody this is everyone this is
everyone needs to watch this series five episode two it's on Netflix it's on Paramount Plus and
that's the Star Trek next generation and the episode is called Darmock and the reason I'm
making you watch it is because it will explain the character in lower decks that you didn't
understand yeah and it's a brilliant episode because it is it's it's Trek done right like we've
said about strange new worlds doing legal properly and TNG doing the legal world properly this is
when Trek does things right and this episode is purely about two people speaking completely
different languages having to work out how to work as one yeah to save themselves that is it
and it's brilliant absolutely brilliant it also doesn't play out the way you think it's going to
play out which is the other nice thing about it so yeah so season five Darmock watch it by the
next episode and we will discuss it more and that was episode two of season five
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