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and welcome to insert star trek name here we're still working on that one ideally when

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that star wars oh bar looks i got it wrong you don't even really like star wars right

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no no no don't say that i just realized that the first three films i.e four five and six

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are incredibly slow and boring when you go back and watch them now compared to everything else

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that's been created since and i've got to say as much as people slam it and we've said about it

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before with the disney star wars being a star wars for this generation it's my star wars for my

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gen i like it yeah i think it's good it's fast it's action-filled it's what i want i've watched the

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old ones and i think fuck me i'm a bit bored now have you seen any of the things with this a star

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trek not star wars but we're into it now tough go with us where they were slamming it okay you like

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it different scenarios of how they could have blown up the death star and one of them is where

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obi one is fighting Darth Vader and he just turns his lightsaber on and drops it and it goes straight

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through the death star and it just gets sucked into the vacuum i've seen that but can i also point out

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i don't think you really need plans if you see a giant skeletal structure of something the size of

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a moon being built you should probably try and attack it at that point yeah yeah kind of um unless

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it came out of the ground that's the one that i didn't like in the latest star wars all of the um

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um imperial ships slowly coming out of the ground and being raised up by the emperor at that point

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on the death but it's like okay i'm not a scientist but they're a big vessel like that when it kind

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of have its own kind of gravitational well it's not just to do that it's the fact that they're

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all buried underground they've all got a fully equipped staff and canteen no doubt and it's just

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why is it being built underground in the grip anyway right star trek enter authorization code

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yeah so star trek well we'd neither of us have actually watched any new star trek that we want

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to talk about no we're behind on lower decks but i do want to have a semi recurring feature other

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than the one that we do have and that is i you've got a pretty decent star trek knowledge i don't

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think so but i'm sure people will tell me i haven't when they hear me talk about it i don't care what

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they say i care what you say i don't care what they say and i pitched you this idea earlier today

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and it was tom's trek trivia right that's not the title i'm going to keep but that's the card we're

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having right now i'll think of something better and what it is i don't want to be known as the ttt

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there's elements yeah you'll have a different cloak the the the there's elements of star trek

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sorry tom that i don't understand because my memory is terrible fair enough i'm not particularly

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clever enough for some of the sci-fi bits and one that is really bugging me at the moment is the

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the help me pronounce her name noon in sing noon in sing noon in sing and her relationship with

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calm i do not understand any of the calm stuff or anything so i'm challenging you in 30 seconds

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i'm going to set a timer on my phone you've got 30 seconds to explain to me and the viewer listener

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whatever you want to call it what the fuck is going on okay and you know what you even warned me

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about this and i didn't even bother researching it and i'm now really panicking thinking i should

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have actually researched this a little bit more so let me get my timer up on my phone would you

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like to take a moment to think about it no no no no i'm i'm i'm gonna go for it and are you ready tom

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as ready as i can be starts now okay so earth went through a really shit time as we know in

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first contact okay we turn up and they've just survived the whole war thing and they're coming

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into warp oh jeez is showing in the time 20 seconds so during that time and a little bit

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further on genetics then come about and the genetic wars where basically they try and make humans

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far better it gets outruled because those humans are just absolute arseholes and they try and take

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over the world and they're sent out into space uh and relegated from space and karn noon in sing

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came from the scientist called union sing yes i'm done right i have no idea who karn is so i

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come back with us next time for star trek i'm gonna finish describing this one

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let's stop again okay

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the karn union sing is a genetically modified human being

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from the era of earth where genetics were considered is it a good idea to make superior

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human beings yes it is they were then created they then tried to take over the earth and they were

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relegated from earth and um the new union sing we know in strange new worlds um is from the same

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family of the basically the creator that did the genetic work and yeah she she's hated for that

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exact reason so she's hated because she's a descendant of these people that were part of this

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original correct and then if you get to and i'm gonna this is the one bit of knowledge i am happy

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with the original series the episode is called space seed they come across a what they think is a

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derelict ship and it's cryogenically freezing karn frozen karn and his crew who then try and take

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over the enterprise and carry on their wrong ways by proving that they're all slightly nutcase and

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they just want to take over and be the higher being right now i want you to enter where i'm

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really confused how can she go back she who is before when no no no she's just in the family

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it's a family name and you know family names come for years and years and years i know but

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but she knows who karn is the actual karn right she doesn't no she goes back in time in strange

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new worlds and sees karn as a child she knows who he is oh yes but she is a timeline before

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from what i know that captain kirk has met karn as captain kirk isn't captain kirk yet in her

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timeline he's still well yeah strange new worlds obviously the the time in both their timeline

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at that point is before he takes control of the enterprise so how does she know who karn is when

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he from what i don't understand that the things he has done hasn't been done yet no what more doesn't

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make sense is how can she meet karn as a child okay no so the time they go back they go back in time

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and that's before so he's been genetically modified already he's growing up genetically

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modified yeah and it must be when he's grown up that he they get relegated from earth and it's

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outlawed but what then doesn't really make sense is surely she should have been outlawed as well

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if she's part of the genetic modified unless they weren't as genetic modified and there was a specific

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cutoff point for what's been done to them and what hasn't been done to them honestly i'm not sure

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at that point then but in theory it's yeah it's a family tree and she knows i can't maybe she's

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gone back and met but because he is from their family yeah um and yeah it kind of it's jumping

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around all over the place um i will tell you it properly next week i will do proper research on

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it and i will try that 30 second challenge again and see if i can do it next time then next week

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is this same challenge again 30 seconds two weeks time next episode we may get i know i did the same

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accessing library computer data so we watched an episode of you chose voyager voyager so it was

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season two episode 15 episode 15 threshold threshold do you say that's right yeah yeah i know but they

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say every fucking minute of that episode they did it a lot wasn't it a sexy episode too did you did

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you get that yeah everything seemed like a section when you ended and i feel like jane wade was just

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after oh she's moist for paris all the way through oh so i can't really believe i just said she's moist

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for paris that's just really i don't miss that yeah it's grim she was moist and thought he was lush

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they they were so let me give you some yeah right yeah give us a synopsis of the episode

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as best as you can got a one paragraph explains the listeners that may not have seen the episode

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threshold so tom paris dirty kim and half breed are trying to get to walk 10 i don't i can never

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remember the names right tom paris don't again don't again boulana torres oh yeah boulana torres

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sorry not half breed right i'm just going down the route that that's just really racist i think

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yeah sorry about that everyone sorry for all the half klingons out there the you xenophobic

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sweat yeah yeah you naughty boy um they are trying to get to warp 10 and they want to be the first

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people to get to warp 10 um spoilers no spoilers you all should have watched it there's no spoilers

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here you're all you've had two weeks to watch threshold so they get to warp 10 well what happens

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is he tom paris ends up being everywhere in the universe all at once and starts mega revolving

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and apparently in the future we mega evolve into new sexy newt's sexy newt's um things happen he gets

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hold of jane way she turns into sexy newt's sexy time happen baby newt's they come back they're no

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longer um newt's anymore all is well he wears a really attractive blue nightgown he does indeed

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right now the worst part about this episode is that it only takes about five minutes for neelix

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to appear okay right hang on right first of all i've got a little quiz for you oh wicked i'm a doctor

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not a mechanic i want i've got five questions you chose this episode so i'm hoping you have the

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answers to these go on so you should because in theory if you chose this episode it means this is

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an episode you've watched more than once well or it's a favorite i've definitely seen this one more

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than fine i've seen it twice bear in mind it's rated as the third worst trek episode i'll get

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stuffed is it in all of trek it all of it i've seen some pretty howling episodes of star trek

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so you've really asked this question uh answered even what what factor are the crew trying to

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achieve or surpass ten ten aka threshold the threshold it just takes me there's a family

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guy episode where pete is in the cinema and he says i love it in the film when they say the title of

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the film in the film do it let's shave the cat oh boy i usually only get this excited when they say

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the title of a movie in the movie i'm telling you these drug dealers represent a clear and present

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danger to the united states yeah he said it he said it all i'm saying is what if this is as good as

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it gets yeah there it is there it is the only way for me to solve this crisis is to be superman four

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the quest for peace oh that's why they call it that oh no he's got past the threshold it's

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like they're looking to cameras like the threshold and then they're back again okay who comes up with

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the solution to the problem fucking neelix does i've got neelix i don't really think he does

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actually uh dirty kim is actually i think the one he really comes up with the what percentage chance

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of an issue did the doctor to paris would have this is so bollocks boom two percent but right no

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i'm not even gonna say that because we will discuss that well as we discuss the episode

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this i really hope you get because it would just show how geeky you are yeah go on what was the

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issue that would stop paris what are his reasoning to stop no that the doctor's reasoning there is a

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specific thing wrong with tom that that two percent could cause a brain hemorrhage or something

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because what it was it was going to do to him it was an enzymatic imbalance oh an enzymatic

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imbalance of course it was bullshit chat isn't it future chat and we'll see if you get this one

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because this makes me angry well it doesn't get me angry but we'll talk about it what does

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chakrity chakrity chakrity shout before he shoots the sex nudes

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i don't really say like i don't know which one is the girl or which one is the boy

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is there someone like that doesn't he no he just opens fucking fire on him he doesn't say a god damn

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thing no because then two bucks mate it's like yeah well that that one's got the female bits yeah

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glad you've been perving at their them them two what's that he says something like that doesn't he

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he's like which one's yeah that one's gonna be the one's the girl and which one's the boy and he goes

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and then he does make a bit of a comment like that doesn't it yeah but basically before all of that

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ham yeah it's before that chakrity they come through the bush they're heading through the

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bush and you go with the tricorder it's like they're over here they walk up and chakrity just goes

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yeah he just was at a moment yeah is it are you on stun are you on kill level 10

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you just open fire do you is that yeah you can imagine if he shoots the first one and they just

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evaporate he goes oh fuck turns out as well looks like he's all shitting oh there's so much to talk

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about there's so much to talk about let's let's go back turn evaporate down to zero yeah yeah we all

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didn't see that did we guys to where to walk where's to live your report where's to vixx okay right hang on

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a moment it's dead jump I can't believe this was rated the third worst star trek oh do you do you

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agree with that I saw I'm getting high pitched I thought it was an okay episode it is shit but

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why did not shit it is bad but it's not it's not the worst I think the acting isn't very good but

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I just think it's just a silly episode it is it's it's it's a bit of fun well it's good enough to

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make it into lower decks what exactly or maybe it's bad enough to make it into load and maybe

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that's why lower decks put it in there that's a very big possibility so I've got here here we go

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little Tommy paris is in a shuttle trying to get to trans warp working um then I couldn't remember

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if they built the delta fly yet but that's later isn't it they never go to trans warp again though

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do they no never again never happens again as far as I'm aware so there's only season two there's like

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multiple seasons of this it's like seven or eight seasons of it I bought this hub in my

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chat I don't know again I I've watched Star Trek way more than you obviously sorry is there's there's

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yeah dickheads who live down the road who like putting big exhausts on their crappy car so I

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know what else could hear that I was really bugging me when you were talking no it really

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bugs me as well living near him because you see what happens every year he goes for his MOT comes

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back and then he puts the new exhaust back on yeah an idiot yeah that's sorry interrupt right

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so notes I've got here he's doing this to get to trans warp yeah yes so in oh the search for Spock

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yeah the Excelsior's in space dock and Scott I think it's a search for Spock pretty sure it is

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Scotty throws a spanner in the works and breaks their trans warp drive

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and that's a long time before Voyager yeah that's original series era of Star Trek so um

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um trans warp already exists at that point and it's not like they say oh this trans warp drive is

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isn't being testing before it's being rolled out but it's not theoretical testing it's we've put it

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on what's going to be our new front line ship here um because even the captain of it before he

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realizes it's been sabotaged is they're not going to get away the new trans warp drive will

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will easily get past them yeah and the Enterprise at that point's got warp 9 capable so

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yeah I'm sorry trans warp already exists well Voyager see I think he went up to like 9.6 or 9.8

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before the ship was shaking that to slow down I was like yeah exactly yeah it gets 9.8 but then

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also the Voyage home Star Trek film they get to 9.8 as they slingshot round the sun to do time travel

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so you can time travel and that's in a crappy bird of prey a fair few years before Voyager again

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so I'm sorry but I'm kind of feeling like a little bit um they're kind of just jumping the

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shark a little bit just going yeah you know what we'll say trans warp doesn't exist it already

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existed in canon yeah so that kind of then led to the X bit for me as well and sorry I'm not

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talking about this so much really at the very beginning of it and maybe that's why people

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don't like the episode in the next generation there is a whole episode dedicated to this alien

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species who are on the Enterprise trying to get them to listen to their plea about these

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anomalies that are opening up in space yeah I think it's either season one or season two and

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the resulting of it is is one of the alien scientists commits suicide to prove his point

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that anything above warp nine I think it's anything above warp nine or it might be warp

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a oh no it's warp nine I think anything above warp nine is opening up space tears in space

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and causing these anomalies which are destroying his solar system yeah and that's anywhere in

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space this is happening so then there's a whole they even say in the episode from now on unless

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there's a life or death absolute situation Starfleet will no longer go above what whatever it is right

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and then we've got the Voyager here going yeah well it's not our quadrant is it fucking yeah

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we'll just tear some holes in the in the anonymous space here and we'll just we'll just destroy it

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it's fine well I mean I get him back to the episode those bits kind of bugged me with the

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they were the bits that bugged me about the episode that that's where I'm honest that's

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where I can see it fell down and maybe that's why it got rated as it did yeah well I mean they're

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on the holodack anyway they're doing a test run and they find that initial bit yeah and it fails

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and fails and I made a comment of where he turned it off what he sat on the floor so did he fall

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to the floor because he was in a seat well exactly because I'm he's not like sat on the floor with his

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legs straight out in front of him on that that he's sat on a seat yeah where's the seat gone

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and then so then I made the comment on discord I was like if he was in a on a gantry in the

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holodeck a holodeck gantry and they turned it off would he plummet a whole floor to the ground

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questions that never get answered about the holodeck the people that are up yeah 10 floors up

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in a skyscraper looking over a beautiful planet skate and the people down on the ground when it

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turns off what do they suddenly see yeah how does that work I think it's some I forgot if it's explained

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in it's either explained in tng or it might even be explained in voyager um they say basically

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each person is seeing a different their own their own part of it so it's all projected around them

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it's all hard like on the ground so imagine you've got a kind of circle around you being drawn at all

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time and then when you're stood next to someone who's in the same place as you it joins up and

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you're walking on like a treadmill maybe you're not actually moving around the holodeck if you're

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walking upstairs try to say that yeah basically you your your brain is subconsciously being turned

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all the time by the uh the holodeck so you think you're walking a straight line but actually you're

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walking around a curve and but what you're seeing is a straight line so that's how they've tried to

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get around it I believe yeah that's why and another comment I made because we've talked about it

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before on lower decks about cleaning the dirty I would hate to go in I'd hate to be the man

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cleaning it off the dirty dirty Kim's been in there yeah he is up there with Geordie LaForge

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let's face it Geordie wants a girlfriend he's in that we even see he creates a fucking fake version

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of a starfleet person and falls in love with her you know he's been there late at night half cut

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I'm getting that program I've seen interviews with both of them and they've both said how they

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didn't like how their characters have been portrayed in certain episodes yeah Lavar Burton I must

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he's the most lovely person in the world uh and you look at all the good stuff he's done

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for charity and everything else and then you look at his character and he's such a horrible dirty

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lech anytime a woman's mentioned he is he's worse than Ryker and he's a bit of a knob is well in

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Picard isn't he at the beginning of the Picard bit it's a bit of a knob yes but I think the idea

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of that is because he feels like he went off to carry on doing starfleet stuff Ryker's gone off

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and done his own stuff and then basically they're just coming to him because they need help rather

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than staying in contact with him as a friend yeah that's kind of what that felt like I guess but um

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yeah dirty Kim as you call him the same reasoning again everything about him is either getting

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his promotion or getting laid and I know it's not about getting in his eyes and what it's portrayed

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as is he just wants a relationship and to be happy but it's so lechy it is lechy yeah and like

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the first episode the seven of nines in and he's just like ogling at ogling over I was like yeah

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okay we get it she's extremely attractive but he's lechy in that yes which is why I call him dirty

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Kim uh it's when we get the greatest interval time I don't know I prefer the DS9 music

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yeah I like the french ones I just it's just something about Voyager there's just it just

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tickles me Voyager and then Voyager is your star trick and I didn't I didn't realize how late it was

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1995 at first aired and I don't think I ever watched an episode of Voyager until I didn't

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even know Voyager existed until 99 2000 yeah and that's when I started catching up and I think it's

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because BBC2 started showing it on Trek Tuesday or Thursday and that's when I started watching

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and got really into it and then we have a really good intro and then within minutes we've got

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Neelix so I've got written oh piss off Neelix how on earth can you help and I wrote fuck me

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Neelix immediately he's such a nosy bastard and then oh seriously Neelix has the answer oh I hate him

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these people are natural born idiots if you ask me

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oh yeah and then my next comment is look how innocent Kim looks

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because this is all but this is only series two this is pre dirty boy yeah yeah absolutely this is

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still I'm looking good in the eyes of the captain trying to be squeaky clean and he hasn't been

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promoting he's got one people two pip didn't have two because Paris two because he gets

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promoted at the end of the series doesn't he um oh yeah then I write look how innocent Kim looks

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before seven and all the other crushes spoil him can I also just point out he said fucking Neelix

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I didn't like lez either cares we know you meant yeah cares and then what it dawned on me I think

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that should be a new name I write that piss Nixon where are we in there

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oh my god I didn't see that before where we're in that um you've written I've done

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that who piss off the Neelix oh you've done it in your I've written it on you've done it as a

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reply so yeah it's under my my section no I gotta go back to see where I write hang on but I'm just

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saying thinking about it today I don't like Kez as a character I don't like Neelix as a character

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what I really don't like is the idea that I'm pretty sure that she says I'm about one year old

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when they've rescued her yeah which means Neelix says he's been trying for ages to get her back

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back he's been cracking that one since she was pre one years old and I don't care if you're an alien

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race or not there is no way in one year you can do a whole kid's teenage young adult amount of

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information to someone it's just creepy I never clocked that until you're saying it now it's creepy

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as fuck I mean them being one year old and being treated as full on adult is creepy as it is but

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then to think that basically Neelix has been trying to nail it before that it just makes it really

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creepy oh yeah I found it fucking Neelix I didn't like Lez either Kez bloody Lez I think we should

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name her that now Pislix and Lez yeah so annoyingly Neelix does have the answer annoyingly he does

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come up with this you know it pushes them to the solution and I've got to say as well you're

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saying about earlier that you weren't smart enough for the the science that's one thing that is always

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argued about Star Wars say oh we're all about the story Star Trek has always been joked about

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being trekking the trek it's always been kind of science and technology side of it they really

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jumped the shark we're saying it's not the nacelles coming off it's the shuttle crate shuttle

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shuttlecraft's body coming off that's the same fucking thing the thing you'll notice I think

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about Voyager is that I just think I just got the mic they um they love saying the Star Trek words

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but I don't think they really put them in anything that makes sense no they're no data whereas I think

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that all the other Star Treks actually do really particularly the new ones like Strangely Worlds

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and Lower Decks do really good at actually doing trek trek actually feels like they're talking about

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real things in those yeah whereas I just think they just wanted to say the word nacelles they

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wanted to say nacelles they wanted to say enzymatic imbalance they wanted to say shit it means nothing

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it means nothing in Voyager that's twaddle you've got to just I think it's like the writers in it

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weren't Star Trek writers in some way I don't know if it improves in the later seasons and I've

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got to watch the whole of it again I've got to say I've struggled to watch through the whole of

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season one and keep going it felt like I've watched it a couple of times I don't have a need to watch

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it again anymore I want to watch it from the beginning get all the way to the end because

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when they get into the whole Borg stuff that's great yeah it's brilliant but these first couple

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of seasons are quite hard going yeah I can't wait for one of us to choose the episode where

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the aliens have overrun Voyager and they're basically living in the holodeck and they're all

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living out kind of World War two with aliens yeah we'll get there that's a really good episode

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so anyway they get to warp 10 they break the threshold yeah and by this point they've said

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threshold what 30 times they've been named a few times yeah and then they are talking about it in

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the ready room and Janeway is fucking all over him oh god yeah she cannot take her eyes off him

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and she's complimenting him and yeah there's tension she wanted a bad boy that's why she went

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to prison to get him yeah she didn't choose prison pigeon she chose him yeah prison pigeons never

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got over that you imagine that in the star trek if we've got a right to lower decks and say

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in the next series can you have a star trek character based on a pigeon please yeah can you please um

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yeah no I know exactly what you mean there is a lot of sexual energy going on between them I wrote

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a comment about that and I wrote she's really flirting with Paris she just can't wait to bump

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lizard uglies with him so this is what you're missing not being on discord yeah and interestingly so

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I think this is before Janeway goes and tells him that it can't happen blah blah blah I put here

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excluding Picard because genuinely with Picard you do get it especially when you go back to the

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episode where they lose um what's her name to the black blob um excluding Picard for a subset of his

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staff you do get a good feeling that Janeway cares for the crew yes you do just feel like she

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she is being the best captain she can be um and she genuinely has the want to look after

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the crew there isn't a this and them sort of feeling from her yeah yeah I get that um and

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then I've also got here oh I love the doctor the doctor is one of the best characters in star trek

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full stop yeah absolutely really good even where especially when they do like the episodes that

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adjust him like when he gets the the hard light kind of thing it's actually sorry red dwarf there yeah

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and then he gets the the transbond lets him walk around the ship yes and then he gets it upgraded

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and he can come off the ship well that again he's the one that um saves the day in that episode

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I was talking about with the aliens in the world war two because he gets powered on doesn't he to

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uh help heal them so they can go back into the the holo the holo game as it was um

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so we've got to end zematic imbalances at this point yeah and so first of all I've got written

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here I don't know what you wrote pretty sure two percent chance on Voyager is the same as 100%

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yeah pretty much and I think it's actually pretty good odds for being on a spaceship

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in space it's kind of a really busy thing oh the doctor says she doesn't think he doesn't

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think you should do it harry kibb on the other hand is absolutely fine to do it a two percent chance

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what's the chance they're going to die just flying voyager every day yeah going into the quadrant

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they don't know with not enough dilithium no coffee on board because she's always after that

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fucking coffee I'm sure that percentage goes up every day but the thing is the thing about warp

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right is that they need to make sure they're not going to warp into a planet on their way right

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yes so that's what the computer's doing and those are all the planets are so you can okay I can warp

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to you to hear I've got to figure out the journey you can't do that in a quadrant that you don't

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don't know where the planets are I never even thought about that but then again didn't they just

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still all get star charts off neelix's yeah probably because I think that's what they do pretty well

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in star wars you see it like you know setting up the hyperdrive and it takes a long time

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because it's not just charging up I think it's the computer figuring out can you fucking do it or not

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how long before you can make the jump to light speed take a few moments to get the coordinates

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from the navi computer you're kidding it's right there gaining travel through hyperspacing like

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dust and crops boy about precise calculations we'd fly right through a star or bounce too close to a

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supernova and then it injured certain real quick wouldn't you well and they they do it quite well

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don't they is it in um solo the film called solo where he's got to do the multiple jump jumps and

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they do the whole whatever the famous run is that he did at speed the kessel run they do it well

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because they show he's like the amount of calculations I need to do to do this and it's yeah exactly

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they do it really well in that whereas this is almost always like plot a course two seconds later

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make it so but of the comment I'm making about this so he has a two percent chance of I'm calling it

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a brain hemorrhage because that's just easier of happening to him when he's on the shuttle now

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if that they implement this onto the actual ship he still has the same two percent chance because

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he's still on a ship yes doing the trans warp what fucking difference does it make for the he's doing

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on the shuttle or doing in the ship so she's willing to put his life at risk when it's on the ship

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and can get her home but she's not willing to do it when it's just him risking it oh I've got here

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it feels like Janeway just pulled a Beatles about on him it's a sorry you can't do it yeah it's a

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bummer isn't it only joking it is Jeremy Beedle with his his microphone he's dressed up as the

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doctor yeah don't worry Tom you can do it really yeah that weird kimono esque really short oh thing

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he was wearing was pretty neat costume but they've done that before and don't forget the early series

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of TNG and then the skirts so you've got men walking around in skirts and it's just genuinely

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accepted that there's all these different types of clothing and I think that's what Voyager did

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nicely the continuation of the the uniform design yeah kind of fits in with kind of first

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contacts and generations and deep space nine but they've kept that yeah no one had no one's

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frigid anymore no one cares about whether something's too short or not so it's there why wouldn't it

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yeah and it suited him I thought it suited him very well beautiful color on him

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um so yeah I've got back to ha ha fuck off Neelix um

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did did it did it did it what else so I wrote there were a giant spaceship in space there's

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probably more chance of the spaceship spontaneously combusting than this brain thing the doctor

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said that Barrett has and then I write here we go walk to the factor 5678 uh yes yes yes yes yes

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so off he goes in their test shuttle and they managed to break threshold but then they lose

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trace of him so I made a funny ha ha ha I went it's newt looking good for Tom right now yeah

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that's terrible so he does the drive and then he says something about it plotting loads of

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star charts and you see Janeway's eyes light up so yeah going to exactly what you were just saying

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so he goes off and they come back they're checking out the shuttle and it's like there's

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not even petabytes so I've forgotten what they say there's some stupid number yeah there is just

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star charts for systems that we've never even got near yeah so they've got this huge sun library

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but it does then make you wonder why on earth does Starfleet send out starships when a shuttle craft

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can get all of this data back yeah and store it yeah so now they know they could and was it you

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that said why don't they just set the computer up to return the shuttle back yeah why don't they

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set it up the second time this is um when they realize that he's lost control because yeah he says

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when I was going and we hit trans warp I felt like I was outside I felt like I was everywhere all at

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once and then I just had this calling to say come home and I made it happen and that's kind of how

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they left it a very airy fairy way of ending that bit but yeah they bring back and they come

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they find the shuttle craft they recover it and they get all the star charts and so on yeah um

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but yeah wouldn't you put in a computer program to say after x amount of time just stop yeah it's

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like a drone but then again this is your home drone but if they did that and it stopped they've stopped

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after doing trans warp speed in a sector that they're nowhere near and void you could never go and

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catch up with him yeah I suppose so then they'd have then you'd have to say to the computer

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return back at trans warp to this same location so I don't I don't know if that would have actually

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been possible or not um but it does come into it later because he steals Janeway takes her on the

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shuttlecraft they go to trans warp Voyager finds him randomly crashed on a planet so are we saying

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that sex nutes eventually evolving in this suddenly decided to stop at a planet that was just about

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nearby for Voyager to find them well we've walked quite a yeah let's let's go back so sorry so they're

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back and Tom's basically starting to have a few problems isn't he yeah he's going a bit manic

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a little bit manic is uh yeah it's going to say yeah yeah it's manic's quite a good one I've got a

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lot of staff league officers have dad your mummy issues by the way Ryker and his dad Paris and his

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dad Mariner and his mum um and then we really didn't need to know about his virginity because

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he's going manic at that point it's like why have you suddenly brought that up going on about

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his bedroom when he was a kid and all he says I lost my virginity there and even the doctors like

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I'm a hologram and I don't need to know this shit yeah even I'm embarrassed and I'm a program

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yeah I've read your file Tom and in the future we know you lied you lost your virginity when you

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were 30 yeah yeah we've led yeah it it's weird and the acting of Tom Paris is weird from now on

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it is but I can understand why they made it weird because they're making him

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evolve and he ends up with nice looking kfc skin uh and of course the prosthetics were really good

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yeah the makeup's cool I paused it and rewound a couple of times to realize that his neck it's

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pulsating is pulsating yeah so there's they they've put in little bladders here and there to make it

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do different bits which is a little thing but practical effects just looks just looks so much

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better than CGI and when you've actually got something physically pulsating on the side of

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your head you can't help but think that looks real so what's happening to me is he's he's they don't

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know this at point but he's speed evolving millennia of human evolution yes and also

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which means apparently your tongue drops off brain that's a gross bit what a great bit of

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prosthetics he pulls his tongue out um that and also but also he's his brain activity is getting

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bigger so he's getting cleverer but he he's must be hiding it because you don't get that impression

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until he escapes yes he's hiding it isn't he or at least that's the indication I'm taking from the

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fact that you don't realize he's super clever until literally he escapes and they go oh yeah he's

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brains firing at whatever but we're kind of also skipping a bit here as well because we'll come back

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to that because it's actually a really important bit about Belana and the doctor but we're skipping

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the part he dies yeah he dies so he can't breathe they managed to get him breathing in a sealed

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environment and he dies everything stops um well I particularly like we've already got the idea that

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Nelix doesn't particularly like Tom Paris because he thinks Tom Paris is after shagging Kes and we

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already know that Kes kind of makes soft little come to bed eyes at Tom Paris he's a kiss she

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doesn't catch any disease so my favorite bit is that I've written nails um doc it really wouldn't

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be appropriate to drag Kes in for the choppy chop on Paris's body because he's like oh I'll see you

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tomorrow morning Kes when we'll do an autopsy on Tom yeah it's really like yeah you might want to do

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that on your own doc because everyone here kind of liked him yeah yeah he was a popular dude but

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yeah then he comes back to life and I've got oh shit son Tom's a time lord now because he's like

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he's got two hearts yeah two hearts come out of nowhere um and then yeah um oh and also is it me

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or did this not go any further the dickhead trading stuff with the bad guys

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you see him oh yeah no because that's a continued story throughout episodes okay fine so yeah this

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is when Trek suddenly along with DS9 started going for multiple episodes of the same storyline

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so this is one of the reveals of who the because I think they're aware that something's happening

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or maybe just the the people you know the viewer is aware that there's a spy on the ship irony

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there's no spiders anywhere to be seen tune in last week for that one to tune into the main

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episode to understand what that is would that have been last week's wouldn't it that would

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have been last week's yeah all spiders are ironic and the yeah so that's just a it's that's a continued

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story throughout that we so I don't know if this is the moment you actually see I might know it's

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next week's episode sorry yeah just look out for the episode called is an ironic or whatever it's

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something along those lines sorry yeah carry on yeah so I don't know if this is the episode actually

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the first time you see who the spy is but I think you kind of you know because this is episode like

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11 of that season and this is why it's coming through um but you do see that guy earlier on

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in the background and the camera kind of focuses a little bit on him and he kind of turns the

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camera like he's listening into them yeah did you notice that yeah yeah so that if this is the only

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episode like for you that's a very odd bit but it is something that's continued but it shows you

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how much I've forgotten about Voyager as well because I completely forgot that as a storyline

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going on yeah I forgot about it too um so yeah coming back to it then um especially as we're

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coming up to 42 minutes at the moment oh gosh um it's fine this is gonna be this is a new idea for

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us this show so it's gonna be what it's gonna be until we've kind of fleshed it out a bit um

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I hate that Belana says the changes that we need to do that the doctors ask are going to take three

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hours she hasn't met Scotty Scotty has not told her if it's going to take one hour say three hours

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because then you're a miracle worker yeah instead the doctor just shouts her says well you've got an

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hour or he's dead and we lose him so she does it in an hour is it just a little um there's padding

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your time and there's padding your time and I don't know if it's a little throwback is it a little nod

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is it a nod or is it an homage maybe fair enough um but then yeah then Tom gets away and he steals

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Janeway I know we've missed the zinger the doctor zinger oh have we got to that bit yeah where they

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talk about the coffee that Neelix makes and the doctor makes the best fucking joke oh yes you're

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right um is that what I got written oh yes that's what I've got Neelix burn number nine no no no

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yeah so there's I can't remember it now but somebody says something about I noticed when he goes in

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he goes he just had a coffee yeah no wonder he's yeah he's like no buddy wonder he's like yeah

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brilliant what a sick bird it comes it comes out of nowhere because it's the doctor saying it and

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it's very funny yeah so where we yeah so you're right that's just as he goes in before he dies

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then he evolves more then he escapes the doctor says we have to do this inside of an hour not

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three hours Belana um and what they try and do doesn't work Tom escapes steals Janeway get into the

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shuttle does he bite Janeway I don't think you just see him get her in the yeah so why does she

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suddenly start evolving at the quicker speed and ending up as a sex nuke well they are on the

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planet on the planet for like two weeks or something before Voyager gets there okay well

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that makes a bit more sense so he thinks she's actually only a couple of days behind him fine

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okay that would explain that and that would also explain why she turns up in uniform and he's still

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in his sexy bed and she he doesn't in fact I'm just thinking of it now she only gets infected

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because he puts her in the shuttle and they go transwarp yeah they go transwarp that's

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that's what I was trying to work out is that why she ends up else les would have got infected if

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it's just something that you can get from touching or kissing you or she kisses him but then this also

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points out that anytime they go above warp 10 this is going to happen yeah so problematic for all

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the other times that maybe they've walked in in the anyway um yeah and that brings us to my my

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favorite part you hear them saying right oh they're over here thanks jackatay just uh

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cote I'm never gonna say his name right jackatay jackatay so um thanks jackatay so uh

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yeah just turns up and just point blank shoots them yeah there's no what do you think we should

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put them in stasis shall we beam them up as they are no let's shoot them first don't we don't know

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what that's going to do to them we don't know about their physiology at this point the last time we saw

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them tom you could peel off kfc skin and jane way was normal for all we know even on stun he's

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going to blow a hole through one of them yeah but no just straight up there and shoot them yeah evaporate

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them he it's and then there's three little ones just swim off I really really you said it I think

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privately to me I want lower decks to do an episode where they find where there's a whole planet of

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these newts that have come from those three original that would be genius that would be so so funny

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yeah that would be brilliant wouldn't it yeah oh we've identified a planet of a oh so what about

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prime directive they're in they don't know if this planet won't they know this planet has maybe never

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been visited if they're the only live forms on there and they're not sure that's them haven't

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they just broken the prime director by turning up and just shooting two unknown live forms they

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who knows oh dear and then yeah then we get to the whole so we fucked awkward moment yeah and

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like he's apologizing to her and then she goes on to have some whole dirty kim she is dirty kim

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but she's up for it like let me just get my other notes let's not forget she's got a partner waiting

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at home who's looking after her dogs yeah and by the way it goes well remembered yeah talk about

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Paris fucking his way to the top he gets a promotion oh yeah doesn't he so he shags the captain gets

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promoted yeah and she loved it I'm gonna promote you you do not talk about the newt babies we made

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yeah like sounds really awful for me she loved it and I'm saying that because just the way she's

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talking to him and he's like oh yeah I'm really sorry and she's like well how do you know they

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wasn't the female of the species and they shade the sex and she's like proper staring at him

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exactly it's full on I did it I pinned you down as a newt yeah it wasn't you it was me I was in

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control and Paris is like I'm not sure if I consented she she didn't ask if he wanted a cup of

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tea yeah exactly oh yeah so I what what have I wrote maybe if two vicks yeah that's what that

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was a comment I wrote to myself so obviously we haven't wrote people who have watched the last

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the lower decks will know about two vicks yes that's gonna be one of my episodes that's got

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some baby because it's such a good all yours you can pick it but it makes you wonder if I wrote I

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wonder if two vicks had gotten his knees would he still be alive so that's one comment and then

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I want everybody to watch those last two or three minutes again that last interaction

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and if you didn't think it was full of section in your window just watch it again yeah thinking that

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it is and you'll see a completely different episode which is what I saw it was all about sex

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I forgot I'd written this by the way at the end of your talk I've put because you say

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go Janeway's eyes lighting up the prospect and knowing all the star charts blah blah blah

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Janeway the destroyer if Star Trek was a Marvel product she destroys everything she can

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you think about all the things she does two vicks yep killed murdered as low experts yeah

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and just non-stop even when the Borg is like we'll have a truce I'm gonna destroy them secretly

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yeah one thing I've got to mention the neural stimulator the doctor puts on yes it's like

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putting a d-fib but to his brain well that's it that it's the modern version it's it's the brain

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fib so would you rate it out out of I'm not no let's not do a rating number

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I was gonna say proper numbers out of ten

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with all the faults that I found in it it didn't dissuade from the enjoyment of it

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whether or not I agree with it being the third worst track I don't know but I put it maybe six

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out of ten five six it's a it's a fairly middling of the road episode yeah I wouldn't give it

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anything more than that what about you I don't think I should rate it because I chose it oh fair

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enough so I think you should rate it because you didn't choose it I've I've forced this episode

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upon you so you should be the ones to give it a rating no I go well I will go with five and a half

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at five point five out of ten right in the middle of that five and six I can't really place a number

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on it so we'll go between the two okay transfer complete and with that with my arms wide open

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I'm trying to think of what else I can say with my arms wide open podcast recording

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Rob and Tom enjoy Darmock and that will not be a very good impression of it but yeah

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I am gonna get you to watch Star Trek the next generation it's season five I think I said it was

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let me just check our chat very very quickly this is everybody this is everyone this is

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everyone needs to watch this series five episode two it's on Netflix it's on Paramount Plus and

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that's the Star Trek next generation and the episode is called Darmock and the reason I'm

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making you watch it is because it will explain the character in lower decks that you didn't

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understand yeah and it's a brilliant episode because it is it's it's Trek done right like we've

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said about strange new worlds doing legal properly and TNG doing the legal world properly this is

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when Trek does things right and this episode is purely about two people speaking completely

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different languages having to work out how to work as one yeah to save themselves that is it

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and it's brilliant absolutely brilliant it also doesn't play out the way you think it's going to

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play out which is the other nice thing about it so yeah so season five Darmock watch it by the

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next episode and we will discuss it more and that was episode two of season five

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I don't know if there's anything else to say thanks for listening join us in two weeks for

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the next episode of currently untisled Trek Talk episode yeah and where can they find us

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that's a very good point you can find us on almost every social media platform at the moment

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that's the wrong page okay you can thank you very much throw it over you can find us on Twitter

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channel 84.co.uk or rob at channel 84.co.uk that is your lot thank you very much everybody yeah thank

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you very much everyone that's listened sorry it was a bit disjointed but i think it's us exploring

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this new format of a show and it's only going to get better i hope so it will yeah as we

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aimed to have neelix killed there's the plan one day bye bye

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