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Hello everybody.

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Welcome to the, what are we calling this?

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Trek talk.

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Yeah, the Trek talk I guess.

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Mr Trek talk.

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I hope your warp cores are primed, because my knee cell is tingling for some Trek.

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Oh good god.

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I just thought about it for a couple of seconds.

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I'm already ready to press stop.

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Yeah, welcome back everyone.

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This is our new separate Trek talk.

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So expect spoilers in this.

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We are going to talk spoilers about Star Trek.

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So what we're going to do, I have finally caught up with Strangely New Worlds.

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So we've got all of that to talk about.

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I'm behind on Lower Decks.

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I've only seen the first two episodes still.

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I haven't watched over two yet.

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So there won't be any Lower Decks today.

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We're going to talk about, but we're not going to talk about the entirety of Strangely New Worlds,

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because I've got a few hot takes about it and they're relevant to the last few episodes.

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I want to talk about the last three or four episodes of Strangely New Worlds.

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And also a recurring theme to this.

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So we always have something to talk about was we're going to go through basically all of them, aren't we?

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All of the Star Treks.

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And we're going to pick an episode.

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Probably, I think you said we're going to do the first episode.

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I was going to say, should we do it in order?

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So what we'll do each week, we'll be looking at a specific episode of possibly the original series,

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maybe TNG, maybe Deep Space Nine, maybe Voyager, maybe Enterprise.

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In fact, what we could do, we could do it by release date.

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So we could do TOS obviously came first, then the animated series, then TNG, then Voyager, then Deep Space Nine, then Enterprise, then Discovery.

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I guess it would have been...

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Then Lower Decks, then Strangely New Worlds.

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So and what we'll do is we'll match them up as we go.

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So one week we'll look at episode one of that first season series, then the next, let's say, I think that's nine series there.

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The next nine episodes will be looking at episode one of all the series.

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And then we'll do episode two of all the series.

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Unless there's new Trek to talk about where we'll have a whole section where we just discuss new Trek for that beginning bit.

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I quite like the idea as well of maybe every now and again picking a particular episode from any of the seasons

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that we are notable that we really like.

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Well, I thought we do that because if we do the nine series one episode at a time, that's quite a lot to undertake.

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And there's no guarantee that they're all going to be streaming at any point, is it?

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Because they keep changing the licensing around.

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I know Paramount has the majority of them, but so does Netflix.

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So maybe we should maybe we'll stick with that then.

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Maybe we'll just choose every episode, a notable episode.

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We both go away and rewatch.

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Either way, we haven't got one for this week.

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No, no, no, no. This is just new Trek.

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We'll say what it is.

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I think of why.

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OK, I'll pick the first one because I know already I want everyone to watch my favourite Voyager episode.

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I have to find out the number of it.

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Sex Nudes.

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The one where they turn into nudes and have sex.

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So over the course of this, I'll find out what it is.

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But what I think, you know, tell it now.

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And then if you want to join in, everyone can listen to it and be ready for the next episode.

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And have seen it and be able to join in on the enjoyment in their enjoyment and in their heads.

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Or whether or not they hated the episode and hear what we think about it.

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So right.

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Strange New Worlds.

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I just want to say specifically, if ever there was a ship that needed a counsellor, it's their fucking ship.

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There's three characters that are quite clearly suffering from PTSD.

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So you wouldn't want Dr. Meglermoe on there or Deanna Troy?

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The two doctors and the pilot quite clearly have got PTSD.

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So M'Bunga is massively, massively PTSD from the Klingon War.

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Nurse Chapel, PTSD from the Klingon War.

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The pilot.

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She has it from the Klingon War too.

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Yeah, from the Klingon War.

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They're just the three that I can think of the top of my head.

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They're seriously being let down by the Federation to not have that access to that.

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It's ridiculous.

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But hang on a moment.

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So yeah, Ortegas, that's the name I can remember.

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What about then La Nounian Sing?

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Traumatic childhood of being part of the genetically recreated race of the Singland.

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So she's got, she spent her life being an outcast.

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She needs counselling.

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Yeah, true.

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Or First Officer Ouner, who was in jail a few weeks ago, could probably do with some counselling.

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Uh, okay, yeah.

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Uhura probably needs counselling seeing as she watched Hemel kill himself.

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Reasonable reason why he did it, but still.

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Yeah, they really could do with a counsellor, couldn't they?

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Yep, absolutely.

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Yeah, I hadn't even thought about that.

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And it's funny that Voyager didn't have a counsellor.

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No, they didn't.

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Deep Space Nine didn't have a...

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They treated Neelix and the girl...

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Oh fuck off.

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They weren't the cast, but they treated them that way.

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They'd all go into the mess and talk to them.

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Kez, I can kind of understand and would say, you know what?

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I'm gonna accept you as a counsellor.

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If Neelix tried to counsell me, no, stab him.

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Stab him.

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That would be good counselling.

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Get your anger out.

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Give him a stab.

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Oh, Threshold is the episode of Star Trek Voyager we would like you all to watch.

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So Voyager, season two, episode 15, Threshold.

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Season two, episode 15.

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That's what we all have to watch.

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Before the next Star Trek episode.

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So you've got Fortnite basically.

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Fine, okay.

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But yeah, you're right.

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They are all in drastic need of counselling on the Enterprise.

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Yeah.

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Now, this is what links into my, could possibly be a hot take about Nurse Chapel.

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Go on then.

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And this is where I think it's a bit spoilery now.

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We definitely couldn't talk about it.

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So it's the episode where the Klingon guy comes, episode eight or nine.

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So yeah, that is episode eight, Under the Cloak of War.

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Okay.

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And then the nines are singing one, so it all makes sense right.

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So she's clearly going through something.

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And her way of dealing with her PTSD is actually, she's a bit of a cunt, sorry to use that language, to Spock.

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Who we know isn't very understanding about the human feelings in the same way.

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Doesn't know how to quite manage them in the same way.

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But he is actually really trying in this episode, episode eight, to help her.

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And rather than her actually just saying, please don't do it in that way.

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I'm going to get through this on my own.

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I don't actually, she's actually quite horrible to him.

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So I agree with what you're saying, but at the same time, I would say what she's trying to do as well is protect him because she knows she's going to be going off.

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She went for the Vulcan Science Academy.

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She got turned down for it.

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She's applied for another disappearing thing to go off and do.

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I can't remember what it was now, but she's off to another science side of things to go and do a time away with them instead.

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And I think all she's trying to do really is say that this probably isn't going to work.

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But she never says any of that.

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No, she's expecting somebody who doesn't work in those nuances of emotions the same way as a human does to understand that.

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And she's entered a relationship with someone knowing that they don't understand.

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And she treats him like he's going to understand it.

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She basically is horrible to him.

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She's actually horrible to him in that episode.

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She's not nice to him.

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And then in the next episode, when she does when all the singing thing and everyone's really emotional, you know, Spock has his own song about not understanding what's happening with you.

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She essentially basically it's like dumping him by text.

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She's told everybody that she's off this thing and she's leaving and she hasn't told him.

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She's even gone to a bar to have drinks with her friends and not told Spock yet.

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And then Spock comes in and then she does her music.

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You're not going to turn me on this.

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I think she's an arsehole.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I'm not going to try and turn you on it.

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I'm just going to say full stop that the relationship is obviously incredibly going to be incredibly difficult.

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It's complicated.

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But go back one episode, so not the under the cloak of war.

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Go back to series two, episode seven, those old scientists.

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So for me, bloody brilliant episode.

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The crossover with Lower Decks done absolutely beautifully.

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I was really worried that the crossover of animation into live action wasn't going to work.

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And it did.

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Jack Quaid.

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He was Boimler.

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Yeah, he's not just a voice.

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Everything was just absolutely perfect.

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But what about the beer?

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And this is the only reason I'm not going to sway you on it.

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I know that.

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He causes the problems though.

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He is the one that potentially has turned her into the arsehole.

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So Pike is living every day knowing what is going to happen.

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And you get the whole joke about the beepy chair thing in there.

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Chapel doesn't know anything about her future.

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Boimler drops it that Spock isn't with Chapel in the future.

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His future, his history of Spock, he knows that Chapel's not with him.

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And you see in her face and the whole point was, oh.

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So almost in her brain then she now knows this isn't going to go anywhere.

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The future's already set and it's not going to go anywhere.

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Because the head of a snake eating the tail of a snake.

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Exactly.

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So how would you get...

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It doesn't excuse being an arsehole.

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It doesn't excuse that at all.

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But also if they had a counsellor on board.

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Yeah.

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That would actually help.

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So I'm in love with someone that I know it's not going to go anywhere.

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Now is it not going to go anywhere because I'm going to die soon?

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Is it not going to go anywhere because Spock's going to get back with his wife?

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Is it not going to go anywhere because I'm going to piss off and be an absolute bitch?

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So how do you cope with that?

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I have a caveat to this.

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Oh God. Go on then.

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So go back another episode.

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The Nunean Singh, maybe it was the episode before that.

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Where she goes back in time.

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But it's actually an alternate reality she goes back in time to.

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Who's to say from Nurse Chappell's point of view that Boimler hasn't come from a different universe's future?

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That's very true yet.

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That the split hasn't happened yet.

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So all the paths are the same.

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But there is a split at some point because we know that there's an infinite number of potential universes.

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No, that's true.

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You're talking about episode three by the way where she ends up back in Canada.

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And really well done episode as well.

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They didn't go over the top with the whole time travel thing.

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They didn't go over the top trying to make it look futuristic.

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They kind of made it work really nicely.

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But I'm not going to change your mind on it.

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I understand that.

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And I agree she was an absolute bitch in that episode.

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And the next episode.

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Whatever the reason being there is a better way to have dealt with it.

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Conversation with a counselor with Spock.

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Yeah.

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That's what she could have just gone to Spock and gone look.

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Future man has just told me blah blah blah blah blah.

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And he would have probably said the same thing to her that he said to Pike.

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He said something to Pike about living for now.

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Yeah and you know who knows about the future is actually set.

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You don't know what's the basically what's the point.

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I think that was season one because I'm really going through season one again.

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Yeah.

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Well it would have been.

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Because when he says it might be an episode one or episode two when he's like you know I've got maybe 10 years or something left.

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No I thought it was the isn't it the end episode of series one where.

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They come across the Romulans for the first time and Spock's basically saying to him something's not right captain.

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And.

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Well he hasn't told him what it is.

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Yeah.

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At that but until that point but in this I think it's episode I think it is episode one or two.

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Oh OK.

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And they are he's you know he's making tea.

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He always makes tea doesn't he.

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He's doing something like that.

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Yeah.

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So she does kind of then put it back a little bit in the last episode.

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But only because I first was like well it's because Spock saves a life so she came up with that.

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Well actually she kind of saved him first.

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You know he was there doing something and then she shot the Gorn which was effing brilliant.

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Yeah we're talking about the last episode at the moment.

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I know I'm moving all around the place.

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I'm going to come to that in a minute when we get to that.

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But let's.

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I agree.

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Counsellors are needed.

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Chappell's a bitch.

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At this point.

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Currently I think personality wise she's lowered in my estimations.

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Enter authorization code.

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So those old times is the lower decks cross over first of all.

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What were your thoughts on that.

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So I think it's pretty good.

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Yeah.

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I love the fact that the very end it's strange new worlds but in lower deck animation.

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Yes.

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Something feels a bit weird.

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Yes.

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I remember I spoke to you many episodes ago now and I was like how are they going to do

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the whole thing about one being caught in one knot.

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Are they at any point going to mention that.

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And it just the only mention about it is when he comes in he goes why you look so weird.

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He goes why you look so real.

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You're really realistic or something.

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The intro done in strange new worlds mixed with lower decks with the alien thing on the

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outside.

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It was really clever wasn't it.

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I was really impressed with it.

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Brilliant.

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Absolutely brilliant.

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They just got all of the little things and I think as well if you weren't someone that

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watched lower decks I think that would have made you watch lower decks because now Miranda

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is actually interested in watching a bit.

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Excellent.

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And she had no interest before whenever I say it's a cartoon she's like I'm not interested

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in that.

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But talking about the whole chapel bit when Boimler tells her basically Spock isn't with

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you in the future is possibly the funniest bit in there when he's absolutely panicking

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is I think I've broken Spock.

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Yeah.

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It just had me laughing going I love the fact he's really worried about that.

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And then when obviously when she comes in she breaks every wall going.

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It's like she says about the rules but she does not follow a single one.

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She tells everyone everything like.

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I love it.

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She's just like yeah party atmosphere.

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Let's go party.

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And she like shows them a drink that hasn't even been invented yet.

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You know just brilliant stuff.

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It was an absolutely cracking episode.

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And that's what I'm going to like about strange new worlds.

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They managed to have in their series a light episode which brightens everything up before

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going back into what sometimes some dark and not depressing distressing kind of episodes

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I guess.

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So you say with all of the whole umbanga and Chabu Klingon war trauma.

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Yeah.

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There's a lot of darkness in there that could just make the show miserable.

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So the fact that they can throw in a light episode like this and have fun and then we'll

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come on to subspace rhapsody in a bit just shows you the quality of the writing and they

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know where they want to go.

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Absolutely.

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And I think they're doing just brilliantly.

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The difference between this season and last season because I'm re-watching season one.

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They really were.

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We spoke about this when we originally spoke about it.

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How I liked how every episode was still a Star Trek thing and then they had the continued

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story arc going through of the stuff that was happening to Pike.

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They've really pushed that aside and just embraced episodic Star Trek and that was really

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the right move because I was just right because by having that stuff with Pike there just

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means this isn't going to last very long because they're just pushing for that story and that's

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going to end it.

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That's one of the reasons I didn't like Discovery.

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Every episode of TNG on the most part, every episode of TOS on the most part, same with

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Voyager to an extent but that's probably why I don't like Voyager and Deep Space Nine as

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much as the others is because the others, it's episodic.

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I can go onto Netflix or Paramount.

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I can choose TNG and I'll watch that one today and I can watch it without any issues, without

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having to worry about what happened in the previous episode or what's going on in that

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series.

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As Discovery, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, you've got that ongoing backstory that's always there.

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Now Voyager is not so much actually.

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The backstory then getting home is always going to be there because that is the ultimate idea

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of the series but a lot of the episodes are very episodic.

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I think my only issue with Voyager was it got a bit repetitive.

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Every other episode, the same bad guys turn up over every season.

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I know the Borg turned up at a loss of it and actually I'm not that upset with that.

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I think they had the most faulty holodeck in any of the spaceships.

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Exactly.

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Then Deep Space Nine is basically the constant, is Cisco a god and the Dominion War but each

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to their own but episodic for me works better.

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I think I'm just trying to say that there.

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Under the Cloak of War.

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I'm just trying to say this.

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I watched through all of it and managed to miss this episode until last week when I watched

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it.

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You skipped it?

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I don't know how I did it.

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I went straight from The Ozone Scientists to Subspace Rhapsody.

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It was only when I was going through checking it I spotted it and thought, well shit, I

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better watch that before we chat.

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This is the Klingon.

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I'm really glad I did because it's a really good episode.

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The Klingon ambassador.

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It's the Klingon ambassador who's known as the Butcher of Dugal.

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I always think in my head Butcher of Blaviken because of the Witcher.

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I think it was Dugal wasn't it?

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Something like that anyway.

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If I say it wrong that's why.

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Who killed his own men but has turned into an ambassador trying to bring peace between

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the Federation.

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So they say he killed his own men.

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Wow, exactly.

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Then it just turns out that M'Bunga and his magic green goo that he injects into himself.

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As we spoke before, where does this goo come from?

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It's all explained here.

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It's a really good story progression for those characters and also gives us that depth into

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the Klingon war that you keep hearing about.

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And I'd like to say it was really good.

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One of my notes, I haven't got my notes up.

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One of the really good things about this episode is you see a side of Star Trek that you don't

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see.

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You don't see the Federation having guerrilla warfare on the ground.

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This is very Star Wars.

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This is like watching the Clone Wars.

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Very Empire versus.

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This was seeing people in a war getting killed was happening here.

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They save that guy's life only for him to go out and then get completely blown to smithereens.

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That horribly brutal moment in the episode where M'Bunga shows Chappell how to store

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someone in the Patton buffer.

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Then at the very end, him just pressing the reboot button because she couldn't.

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They have to clear the buffer because they need to use it.

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She can't do it.

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She just walks up and just turns it off.

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The idea of being war is horrible and you can't save everyone and she had come to try

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and save everyone.

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It's traumatic.

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It shows how good his character is too.

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It's just another thing he's willing to take responsibility for so she doesn't have to.

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And the whole thing about, as is the reveal at the end of who the butcher is, it's him

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taking the responsibility again and taking all of that guilt and stuff on himself.

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And it's interesting as well to come across this Klingon that they've given guilt to basically.

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He's doing this because he was unable to do it in real life.

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He was unable to control his troops.

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He was unable to stop the barbarism that was going on.

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Mbunga did it but he lived with the status that he gained through what he allegedly did

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knowing he hadn't done that.

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And actually that plays really nicely alongside this.

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There's an episode in Deep Space Nine which I think I would actually make us watch after

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we've done that Voyager episode.

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We'll take it in turns.

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And it's basically an episode where a Cardassian arrives on the station and Kira recognises

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him as, funnily enough, he's the butcher as well.

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Butcher of whatever.

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And he was a general that put many, many, many, many of them to death.

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And the whole point is it's Nazis.

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He is a guilty Nazi.

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He didn't want to do what he did and he basically hoped someone will kill him.

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Instead Kira forgives him and then he still gets killed by someone who doesn't fully understand

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what's going on.

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So yeah, it's a really powerful episode.

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I think that's kind of what we're getting in this episode is the guilt of not doing

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what someone has bigged you up to having done and then trying to fix everything that your

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race has done.

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It's tough because clearly it's a really difficult one to really know how you stand with it morally

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as well.

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Because you know that Klingon has done some terrible things.

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Now he didn't do the killing of all of his own men, but he did do a lot of other killing.

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And he is trying to do good, at least that's what it appears to be.

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And I don't think at any point is there any kind of thing that actually he, there's no

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twist that he isn't doing that.

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But he admits, what's the guy, Mbenga, I can't remember, I get his name wrong all the time,

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I apologise.

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But he comes clean to him saying, look, because he wants him to help him, do you think he

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remembers that it's that guy?

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Because it's a bit of a surprise to him.

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I don't think he knows who did it.

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But he's basically attached himself to Mbenga because he sees him as this raw...

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I think he knew his name.

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Possibly.

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Because of implied he knew him.

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But yeah, so eventually Mbenga comes clean to say, in a long winded way, that actually

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he was the butcher and he was coming there to get him.

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He killed all of the Klingons single-handedly with his green goo and just missed on getting

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him.

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Because I thought that it was going to be, because he's going around in a cane, that

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Klingon.

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That he does know, before that reveal, he knows something about Mbenga and actually

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he's the reason he's limping around.

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And that's what I thought, that doesn't happen, he's just an old Klingon dude.

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And then for, you think that there's going to be, because he wants Mbenga to join him

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and try and use his popularity in the Federation to come together to boost the joining of the

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Klingon Empire and the Federation.

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And actually Mbenga's just like, no, that kills him.

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And everyone goes along with, like, to Nurse Chapel, they basically, they'd probably go

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in and be like, you know, make it and go along with the story.

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And there's like an interview of Nurse Chapel and him.

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And then even Pike comes, like, Pike wants to get the truth, but they will not say even

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to him.

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Exactly.

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But he knows.

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You can just tell.

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Just talking about the Klingons for a moment.

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Now I didn't like Discovery's Klingons.

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I thought they were well over the top on the design.

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I'm glad that we're back to kind of what I grew up with as a Klingon, but even then they

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still made it look better than it was.

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They look so much better than the TNG Klingons and a million times better.

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They've just upgraded it.

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The makeup's got better.

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It's full...

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That's what it is.

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There's a brilliant, there's an Alexei Sale, if you remember him as a comedian.

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He had a TV series of clip show sort of thing.

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And there's an episode where they're ripping the piss out of Star Trek and he's Picard.

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And they're laughing at Worf and they give him a mirror.

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It's like, oh, come on, it looks like I've stuck my head in a bucket with shit.

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It didn't, especially the first series, Worf did not look good.

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It got better.

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But this, I think I prefer the look of this because it's been done that much more with

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newer products and better money and so on.

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He looked like a wrinkly conehead.

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Didn't he?

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At points he did.

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He was too tall.

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The head thing was too tall.

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Now knowing what the Klingons are like though, and go out again, the original series films,

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the Klingons are brilliant, but you get that real idea.

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And lower decks capture them as well.

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They're boisterous.

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They laugh.

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They have comradeship.

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Lower decks does a really good way of...

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You'd expect them to be a specific way.

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And in this episode, you get that from him.

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He's trying to be peaceful, but also you get that whole bravado you expect of the Klingons.

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And then it just came to it.

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And I don't know why I thought this.

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No idea where it came from.

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And I would genuinely love to see Lenny Henry as a Klingon.

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Yeah.

480
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,960
Well, he's a hobbit at the moment, isn't he?

481
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,960
Is he?

482
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:03,240
You haven't watched any of the Lord of the Rings series, have you?

483
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,240
No.

484
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,240
He's a hobbit.

485
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,240
Yeah.

486
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,240
No way.

487
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,240
Yeah, he does really well.

488
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,600
But I would love to see him as a Klingon because I think, you know, he would be able to kind

489
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:17,960
of portray that humour, but I can also imagine him being able to be very dark and angry as

490
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,960
well.

491
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,960
He's a very good actor.

492
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,280
Well, it's like Matt Smith in Doctor Who, Modern Doctor Who.

493
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:30,840
I looked at him and thought there is no way you're going to be able to convey anything,

494
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,240
but I'm super happy Doctor.

495
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,440
But he had a very wicked dark side to him.

496
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:46,320
And when he was angry in the Doctor Who series, okay, not quite as terrifying as David Tennant

497
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,720
comes across as when you cross the doctor and he's angry, but Matt Smith could do it

498
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,720
as well.

499
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,600
I see Lenny Henry being that sort of person as well.

500
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,280
Have you not seen House of Dragon?

501
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,280
No.

502
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,000
Where Matt Smith is one of the main characters and plays a fucking evil bastard.

503
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,940
After kind of seeing him in in Doctor Who, I've seen a fair few things with him in now

504
00:28:05,940 --> 00:28:06,940
and he's a tremendous actor.

505
00:28:06,940 --> 00:28:08,800
He's a fantastic actor.

506
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,520
They get really good actors to play Doctor Who.

507
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,520
Yeah.

508
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,000
Eccleston, fantastic Shakespearean actor.

509
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,480
Tennant, fantastic actor.

510
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,800
Matter of fact, I can't remember her name.

511
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,000
She's been loads of stuff.

512
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,000
She's absolutely brilliant.

513
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,000
What's her name again?

514
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000
It's gone.

515
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,000
I can't remember her name.

516
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,000
It's so bad because I haven't watched any of them.

517
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,000
That's the thing.

518
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,000
Yeah.

519
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,000
But I know she's a very good actor.

520
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,800
And I think the new guy who's in it too is supposedly, I've not actually seen him in

521
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,400
it, but he's supposed to be quite good too.

522
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,400
Yeah.

523
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,400
I can believe that as well.

524
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,440
Just seeing the couple of bits of the clips, he's going to be brilliant.

525
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,600
He's going to fit the role perfectly.

526
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,720
So yeah.

527
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,760
So what was the point we're making about you?

528
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,200
Oh, you wanted to see Lenny Henry as a King?

529
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,840
I think Lenny Henry would make an amazing Klingon if he was given the chance.

530
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:54,840
Absolutely.

531
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,840
Jodie Whittaker.

532
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,840
That's the one we're thinking of.

533
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:57,840
Jodie Whittaker, that's it.

534
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,840
Sorry.

535
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:59,840
Sorry.

536
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:00,840
I couldn't think of what else she's been in other than Doctor Who.

537
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,960
So I went for Broadchurch, which she is amazing in.

538
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,960
Broadchurch, there you go.

539
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:05,960
Okay.

540
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,960
So yeah.

541
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:07,960
So yeah.

542
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,280
I missed that episode and I'm really glad I went back and re-watched it rather than

543
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,280
just going, well I'll catch you.

544
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,280
What a hard one to miss.

545
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,280
It's one of the best ones.

546
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,680
It is one of the best ones of the series.

547
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,280
Excluding, I would say exclude Subspace Rhapsody and Those Old Scientists because those are

548
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:33,240
both very different episodes that you wouldn't normally get in any Star Trek series.

549
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,240
But they work.

550
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,920
They belong where they belong.

551
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,520
They are absolutely fantastic pieces of work.

552
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:45,840
But as good as they are, I can't give them the trophy to say that's an amazing episode

553
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,280
for this series.

554
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,480
That's the episode you should go and watch.

555
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,640
And I would say under the cloak of war is one of the ones I would say maybe that's the

556
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,640
one on this series.

557
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,440
If you wanted to see if you were going to get into it, see this one.

558
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,440
I think you're right.

559
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:05,440
If you want to actually choose a Star Trek, you know, Star Trek episode, then that's the

560
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,560
one to watch.

561
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,960
As I said on Twitter though, I think Subspace Rhapsody is one of my favourite, if not favourite,

562
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,440
Star Trek episodes of all time.

563
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,440
Yep.

564
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,440
Absolutely.

565
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,440
Subspace Rhapsody.

566
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:40,880
I am blown away by all of their singing quality.

567
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,880
Fantastic singers.

568
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,880
Aren't they brilliant?

569
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,880
In particular, Ahura.

570
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:44,880
Ahura's beautiful voice.

571
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,280
And Sing.

572
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,760
Those two.

573
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,760
Really surprised by Lilliana.

574
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:53,760
Fantastic.

575
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,720
They're just absolutely brilliant.

576
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,960
And I've listened to the soundtrack so many times now on Spotify.

577
00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:59,960
And Spock.

578
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:00,960
Spock?

579
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,960
Grinning.

580
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:02,960
I'm the X.

581
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:03,960
What a great...

582
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:04,960
I was so not...

583
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:05,960
No, but that very first one when he's...

584
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:06,960
Apologies.

585
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,560
I was not expecting it.

586
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,720
And then as gorgeous as Pike is, I wasn't expecting to have a singing voice, but damn

587
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,720
it.

588
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,720
He's got one.

589
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,160
He's got the looks and he's got the voice.

590
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,160
Even like, especially when it's spread and everyone starts, because there's a subspace

591
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,800
normally and then something happens, blah, blah, blah, and everyone starts singing.

592
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,360
And it's not just the ship, it's in everyone.

593
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,160
And then Ahura just makes a comment, like she spoke to the general and he's really pissed

594
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,160
off.

595
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,680
And she goes, and he did it in a really nice baritone.

596
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,480
She's like, just makes a comment about it.

597
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,960
But I still love the bit.

598
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,880
It's a really beautiful baritone.

599
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:44,880
When she's...

600
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,840
I found the pattern.

601
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,840
We need to get to this number.

602
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:48,840
Yeah.

603
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,840
And I just love it.

604
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,880
They're getting closer and closer.

605
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,760
And then the Klingons are hailing, Captain.

606
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,240
And it's just Pike's look at her, go, go on there.

607
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,720
And then boom, you get this...

608
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,160
Let's start dancing and rapping.

609
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,160
It's brilliant.

610
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,160
The auto tune.

611
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,160
Oh, so funny.

612
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,160
It's just hysterical.

613
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:13,800
I tried to get some photos of genuine photos of me, but they just came out a bit creepy.

614
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,840
I just put my phone onto selfie mode and just watched it.

615
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,280
And even though I just took a picture, I had the biggest grin on my face.

616
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,280
They just...

617
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,280
I had a whole way through.

618
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,280
It was absolutely...

619
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,320
I've listened to the soundtrack nearly every day since.

620
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,320
It's brilliant.

621
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,160
I don't think I can say much else about it because it is a musical episode.

622
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,840
If you don't like musicals, still give it a chance because it's still a whole lot of

623
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:40,840
Star Trek.

624
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,920
And it does tie up a few loose ends.

625
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:43,920
It does.

626
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,920
It does stuff.

627
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,880
Particularly the thing stuff kind of ties up that little arc with Kirk.

628
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:50,880
Yes.

629
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,880
Yep.

630
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:57,680
You've got the whole Kirk and Lahn and helping her progress what she wants in the future

631
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:03,000
and how she feels and allows her to actually move herself forward, which she wouldn't normally

632
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,600
be able to do or would allow herself to do.

633
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,840
I mean, the whole premise is anyway, that once they've triggered this subspace anomaly...

634
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,840
Anomalmy?

635
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,840
Anomalmy.

636
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,840
Anomalmy.

637
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,840
Anomalmy.

638
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,640
With music, which has then made everyone sing.

639
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,840
Everyone is singing the truth.

640
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,680
So yeah, you've got Pike basically going, I lie so I don't have to go on holiday with

641
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,680
you.

642
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,680
Yeah.

643
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,480
Lahn never lets herself be vulnerable, but she lets herself be vulnerable with Kirk.

644
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,480
Yeah.

645
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,640
Spock is worried everything is going wrong and what's he doing wrong?

646
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:42,720
Apple is, I'm just glad to be out of here because everything is just...

647
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,720
Less complicated if I'm not here.

648
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,080
Less complicated if I'm not here.

649
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,600
It's a really clever episode.

650
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,840
Yeah, her is on her own all the time and she's got to learn to not be on her own.

651
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:53,840
Yeah, exactly.

652
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,360
It's just a really clever episode.

653
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,360
And I think, yeah, I'm probably going to watch it tomorrow actually.

654
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,600
Now we've spoken about it again.

655
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,600
I want to watch it again.

656
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,440
I think the poor Spock, his solo is about him being dumped.

657
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,440
Yeah, basically.

658
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,440
I'm the ex.

659
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,520
That's where he comes to the realization that actually she's moved on from the, I need to

660
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,360
accept that actually...

661
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,440
Well, this is Boimler's turning point for him.

662
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,920
This is what Boimler's done to him.

663
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:30,520
This is the moment he's saying in his song, I opened myself up to somebody.

664
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,160
They are leaving me.

665
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,200
They've grown past me, leaving me, whatever.

666
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,600
It must have been something I'd done.

667
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,280
I need to reset myself and start again.

668
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,080
And that's, I think we're going to see next season, he's going to draw in on himself.

669
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,080
I think so.

670
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,480
I think we're going to start getting more of the Spock that we would have had from the

671
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,360
original series, which is much more, I'm going to basically concentrate on being a Vulcan

672
00:34:54,360 --> 00:35:00,200
and try and be as Vulcan as I can rather than giving into my human feelings, my human side.

673
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,640
Yeah.

674
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,560
But then, okay, that brings us onto hegemony.

675
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,520
I know I've got problems with this.

676
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,160
It's a good episode.

677
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,960
Scotty turns up.

678
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,320
Was not expecting that.

679
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,920
Young Scotty, very young Scotty.

680
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,640
Two part episode though, with a God knows how long wait till we get part two.

681
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,400
With an actual to be continued.

682
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,200
2024, end of 2024.

683
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,280
You see that's way too long for something like, I know they had to because it would

684
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,880
have been a stupid long episode, but...

685
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,400
Well, it could be worse.

686
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,120
When I looked online, it said end of 2024, early 25.

687
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,120
Yeah.

688
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,920
I just think that's way too long.

689
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,560
But the whole idea of it is a brilliant episode.

690
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,640
The Gorn basically take what they want.

691
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,280
And we finally see an adult Gorn.

692
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,040
We see an adult Gorn.

693
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:51,040
It's not as good as the original series Gorn in his lovely latex suit with Kirk being him

694
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,040
with homemade gunpowder.

695
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,200
It's a Skyrim lizard man.

696
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,200
It's really good.

697
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,120
It's a really good design.

698
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,760
It looks creepy.

699
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,160
It looks violent.

700
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,680
It's exactly what you'd expect the Gorn to look like based on what we've been told in

701
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,040
the series so far.

702
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:13,160
Problems with the episode then, the bits that I didn't like.

703
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:18,920
Spock jumping over to the Enterprise to stick the rockets on, not the Enterprise, onto the

704
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,920
Farragut.

705
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:20,920
No, the Farragut.

706
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,680
That's the Star Trek I was watching today.

707
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,360
Whichever the ship was, I can't remember what it was called.

708
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,840
Why was he the only one who could do it?

709
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:30,840
Not sure.

710
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,160
I think it's just to do with that his body would put up with this stress better than

711
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,880
anyone else's.

712
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,560
One long term thing is Vulcan's bodies are meant to be able to withstand more.

713
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,160
They're meant to be stronger, better physically, everything like that.

714
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,160
Fine.

715
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,160
I understand that one.

716
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,080
We're just going to have a quick look.

717
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,080
Oh, look.

718
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,080
Chappell's alive.

719
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,080
Brilliant.

720
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,080
I'll save her.

721
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,080
Don't check around just in case any other fucking survivors there.

722
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,080
Oh no, my bird's there.

723
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,400
So you know, I hate that when shows do that.

724
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,640
If she survived, there are other survivors on that ship.

725
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,440
But no, we rescue them, we trigger the rockets and we send them all to their fiery death

726
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,440
blowing up the Gorn.

727
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,920
Thing is, because he's got to work on logic.

728
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,680
So even when he's got all this human stuff going, he still goes on logic.

729
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:21,140
So is the logic, she's here, I have to do this now, that this is a bonus.

730
00:37:21,140 --> 00:37:24,320
Logic says I have to launch these rockets no matter what, just because you're here,

731
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,320
that was lucky.

732
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,000
Or is logic, she's alive, there could be more.

733
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,440
But that's not logic.

734
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,520
So it's not logic.

735
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,200
He doesn't know she's alive.

736
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:40,040
And we get that point when Una says zoom in on the ship.

737
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,320
Medi Bay is gone.

738
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,720
She's dead Spock, basically.

739
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:45,920
Trying to hammer it home to him.

740
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,560
So there is no logic in him going over there, hoping she's alive.

741
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,800
So he isn't acting on logic at that point.

742
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,080
Yes, he's acting on logic that I've got to be the one to go over there and put the rockets

743
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,080
on the ship.

744
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,560
I mean, when he's on the ship at the point of seeing her, does the logic then say to

745
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,360
him, logically, you've survived.

746
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:07,840
Yeah, but logically, somebody else could be I need to look, but that's what I should be.

747
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,600
But what I'm saying the caveat to that is, are they on a time limit where they have to

748
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,080
launch these rockets at a particular time because of the position the ship is in?

749
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,080
And he goes, I have to make the decision now.

750
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,760
Yes, I know you might have been found, but that's just luck.

751
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,760
No, I don't agree because the ship we know is basically in the debris field.

752
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:29,760
Yeah.

753
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,640
And what they're saying is, we can give it a gentle nudge.

754
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:38,160
And with the rockets, we can make that gentle nudge look like the ship is going into a deteriorated

755
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,000
orbit and going to crash into the land.

756
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,040
But what we'll do is we'll actually be remote controlling and guiding it to where we want.

757
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,720
So they could have triggered those rockets at any point, because basically that ship

758
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:50,520
is stationary in that debris field.

759
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:51,520
It's not going anywhere.

760
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,520
Yeah.

761
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:57,320
And then they're going to a degraded orbit because they've stuck the rockets on it.

762
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,520
Were they in a, what's the orbit where you don't move?

763
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,520
Geostationary.

764
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Yeah.

765
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:08,080
Was it a geostationary orbit or is it, is the world spinning off because there will

766
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,080
be a window.

767
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,480
Yeah, but either way, they've still got the rockets on it to give it the nudge.

768
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,160
But the point was they didn't want the Gorn to know they were doing it.

769
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,960
So there's a window where they have to make it look.

770
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,800
No, but I would have said, it's just, it's a story, isn't it?

771
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,480
But it's Star Trek.

772
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,600
If it was me, my God, you're alive.

773
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,320
I'm you're the love of my life.

774
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,520
I get to put my Vulcan dick in you later.

775
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,520
Brilliant.

776
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:35,520
But you're alive.

777
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,200
So really we should have a quick run around and make sure there's no one else.

778
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,200
Absolutely agree.

779
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,200
Exactly.

780
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,200
Trikorder.

781
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,200
Take one with you.

782
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,200
Yes.

783
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,200
There's some life signs.

784
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,200
Brilliant.

785
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,880
We better get them as soon as we can, if we can.

786
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,920
No, we just send them to their fiery death.

787
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:49,920
Yeah.

788
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,080
That's the bit I didn't like about that.

789
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,400
Otherwise is brilliant.

790
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,800
You got Scotty doing exactly what Scotty has done in the original series, the original

791
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:08,280
series movies, TNG when he turns up, he's doing batshit crazy things that get him where

792
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,360
he is in the enterprise later in life.

793
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:17,480
He does what you expect of Scotty, which is he creates things and he does miracles.

794
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,480
Yeah.

795
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:24,560
I like how that really old, their chief engineer at the moment, that woman's like, he's like

796
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,600
my best student who only ever got a D or whatever.

797
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:28,600
She says something stupid like that.

798
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,600
Yeah.

799
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,240
My best student who got the worst grades.

800
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:32,240
Yeah.

801
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,440
And we hadn't even talked about, I love her as an actress.

802
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,760
Whatever she turns up in, she is always brilliant.

803
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,760
She was-

804
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:41,760
She's not utilised enough, I don't know.

805
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:47,120
She was in the unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, which was a genius Netflix series.

806
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,120
She's been in all sorts.

807
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,120
And yeah, you're right.

808
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,760
She does not get utilised enough in this series.

809
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,040
I'm guessing she's gone because now Scotty's there.

810
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,160
Let's face it, the next series is going to be-

811
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,760
I hopefully don't kill her off unless she gets killed off in this.

812
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:01,760
I don't think they'll kill her.

813
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,680
I think she'll just be, I'm 300 or 400 years, however many hundred years old I am.

814
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,080
It's time for me to go and do something new now.

815
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,880
Because basically she only turns up on the enterprise, doesn't she?

816
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:17,400
Because this is the place I need to be now, which is kind of an ongoing thing for this

817
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,600
series if you noticed.

818
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,680
It's always, this is the place I'm meant to be at this point.

819
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,040
Pike has it a lot, Spock has it a lot.

820
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:31,280
And I think that's what they're kind of trying to point out is it's adding into, although

821
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:37,240
they're not continuing as much going on about Pike's going to die at some point, they're

822
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:43,160
still kind of subconsciously almost saying, you're meant to be here.

823
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,160
Yeah.

824
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,040
I've just come to a realization now, I kind of fucked it in my head thinking how come

825
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,720
that that woman didn't acknowledge the, I call her the sing lady because I don't remember

826
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:57,300
her full name, when she come back from the past.

827
00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:59,400
Because she set her on the path.

828
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,400
Oh, Lahn, yeah.

829
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,880
But this is alternate past.

830
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,880
So this one wouldn't know Lahn.

831
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:05,880
Exactly.

832
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,480
It's just coincidentally, Lahn has obviously gone back and gone to her because she knows

833
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,400
her as being an engineer, but that version of her never did it.

834
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,680
Or had she not done it at that point.

835
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,000
But it's a different past though, isn't it?

836
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Yeah.

837
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000
But don't forget that was...

838
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,220
No, it's a joint past.

839
00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:26,220
It's a joint past.

840
00:42:26,220 --> 00:42:27,800
Oh, you know, so I was right in my confusion.

841
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,080
She hadn't done engineering yet.

842
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,080
Yeah.

843
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,000
So she doesn't acknowledge the notion when she comes back.

844
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,200
I can't remember.

845
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:41,280
I think there's some sort of kind of cheeky exchange maybe, but I'm not sure.

846
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:47,080
But ultimately, you could say Lahn is the one that puts her onto the route of, well,

847
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,280
I don't want to do the antique shopping anymore.

848
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,280
What shall I do now?

849
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,280
I'll do engineering.

850
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,960
Yeah, quite right.

851
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,520
But again, really clever idea, that one.

852
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,720
And they did time travel really well.

853
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,680
It wasn't stupid, timey wimey stuff.

854
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:05,680
Yeah.

855
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,680
Because it felt good.

856
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:08,680
It felt real.

857
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,400
It felt a solid idea that they were doing.

858
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,680
It's how I think time travel would work.

859
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,680
Yeah.

860
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:15,680
No, I agree.

861
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:16,680
I agree.

862
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,960
I think you're right there.

863
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,560
I quite like the temporal police basically turning up at the end saying, thank you for

864
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,040
doing what you did.

865
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,980
Now don't tell anyone.

866
00:43:27,980 --> 00:43:31,680
Is that not Wesley's lot?

867
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,120
Isn't that who he joins?

868
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,120
Is it?

869
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,120
I don't know.

870
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:40,440
I mean, the guys that he joins are like time travel guys.

871
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,440
The travelers, yeah.

872
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,440
I don't know.

873
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,640
That's kind of when she started talking, I kind of wished they actually just put Wesley

874
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,640
there.

875
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,960
How cool would that have been if she just had been like, because we all know who he

876
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,800
was, she wouldn't have a clue because he's from a far, far future.

877
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,800
True.

878
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,080
And he'd just be like, hi, don't talk about this.

879
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,960
We'd all know because we know he's a traveler.

880
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:01,520
We know the things.

881
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,320
But don't forget the woman that turns up is from Starfleet.

882
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,160
She's Starfleet in the future.

883
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:14,080
So that could well be Starfleet as in Discovery's Starfleet in the future where they've ended

884
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,080
up.

885
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,800
So it's thought it's more future for them than Discovery because they're not doing time

886
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,280
travel other than accidentally going into the future.

887
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,280
Oh, is that still all accidental at that point?

888
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,280
Fine.

889
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,280
Okay.

890
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,280
It's accidental the whole time pretty much.

891
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,280
Well, accidental kind of meant to do it.

892
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,280
You know what I mean?

893
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,280
One off.

894
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,280
Yeah.

895
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,280
Yeah.

896
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,280
So I forget you haven't seen that last season.

897
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:38,120
No, no, that's, that's, that's, it's interesting then that that's how they've, they still going

898
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,400
and I like it being accidental or accidentally on purpose.

899
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,720
Well, there's another series yet.

900
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,040
So time travel stuff might come back into it.

901
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,040
I don't know.

902
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,440
I always liked the idea of them being able to go back.

903
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:55,120
Well, that's, that's, that's why I do wonder if that's how Discovery will end with them

904
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,400
going back.

905
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:06,560
Um, just like I've always said about Discovery, you cannot just suddenly say technology that

906
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:12,120
we had was super secret and we've just forgotten about it or we don't use it anymore because

907
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,960
of XYZ.

908
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,800
I do want to go back and watch Discovery where it's got the stuff with Pike just to remind

909
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,800
myself exactly what was going on.

910
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,640
Oh, and another little cute thing with Pike, I don't know if it was in the season one,

911
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,000
because I've started watching them again, it's confusing me.

912
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,040
Someone mentions about him not having a mustache and he'd look really good with a mustache.

913
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,040
Oh, that's it.

914
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,080
It's when he sees Kirk and he's got a mustache and he's like, you look good with a mustache.

915
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,320
He goes, I think you'd look quite good with a mustache.

916
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:45,600
And I guess that's a nod to the films where Pike's character has a mustache.

917
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,000
Is it just like a joking nod?

918
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,000
You know, the remake films.

919
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,040
How does he have a mustache in there?

920
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,040
Pike has a mustache.

921
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,520
The actor who plays Pike has a mustache.

922
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:55,520
I've never noticed.

923
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:02,280
I'm pretty sure he does.

924
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,040
Accessing library computer data.

925
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,560
What are your thoughts on the modern films?

926
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:14,080
I like them, but I only like them because they are their own universe.

927
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,200
That's where I am with them.

928
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,960
I enjoy them.

929
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,320
I don't count them as canon.

930
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,240
Have I watched any of them more than once?

931
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:22,240
No.

932
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:26,120
I've watched them two or three times, all of them through.

933
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:31,280
I didn't like in out of all of them into the darkness was the one that I thought was the

934
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,840
most disappointing because as much as the idea of basically taking the wrath of Khan

935
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:42,800
and reversing the roles, so making it Kirk who dies rather than Spock and blah, blah,

936
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,920
blah, it just didn't work for me.

937
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:56,600
But the first film and whatever the third one was called, I can't remember, but they

938
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,600
were fun.

939
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:58,600
I enjoyed them.

940
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,360
Idris Elba in the third one.

941
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,360
I enjoyed watching them.

942
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,080
Idris I'd call, I'd say.

943
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,800
I liked them all and yeah, I'd watched them all again.

944
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,360
I just never, never bothered watching them again.

945
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,000
I didn't dislike them, but I was happy that they were their own thing.

946
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Yes.

947
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,240
I'm glad they didn't try.

948
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:25,280
I know again, the second one, they had Spock as in Leonard Nimoy before he died, but even

949
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,080
then it's I'm from a different universe.

950
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,080
Yeah.

951
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,280
This is that's why he's hiding, which is what I like.

952
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,560
That was a nice way of doing it.

953
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,680
So yeah, swings and roundabouts, I guess with that.

954
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,840
I don't think it deserves the hate they get.

955
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:47,120
I think that they're like Rogue One and Star Wars.

956
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,280
I don't know if anybody dislikes Rogue One.

957
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,600
Rogue One is fantastic film.

958
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,640
My point is it's Star Trek for a different generation and different set of Star Wars

959
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,320
for a different set of people at a different generation.

960
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,920
Well, we've said it before, haven't we?

961
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,240
It's made for different people.

962
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:11,760
And those three films were made for a generation of people that may not have ever watched actual

963
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:12,760
Star Trek.

964
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:13,760
Yeah, exactly.

965
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,120
But that could be what their Star Trek is though.

966
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,400
That's their original series.

967
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,480
Yeah, exactly.

968
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,480
That is their Star Trek.

969
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,600
Whereas mine is TNG and yours is Voyager.

970
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,440
And very fast becoming Strange New Worlds actually, I would say.

971
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,880
It's rapidly moving up the list.

972
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,080
Do you think that's because it's just modern and we're into it now?

973
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:41,600
Do you think in 10 years time when you or I are still doing a Star Trek podcast that

974
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:47,480
we'll still be looking at these Strange New Worlds series in the same light?

975
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,080
It's interesting you say that because I will still go back and watch TNG over and over

976
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,080
again.

977
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,480
I wouldn't do that with Strange New Worlds.

978
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,680
I will go back and re-watch them, but I wouldn't watch them as much as I do TNG.

979
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:03,280
Because it's nostalgia or because you actually think it's better?

980
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,360
A little bit of A, a little bit of B. TNG is a nice safe space.

981
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,600
It's what I grew up with.

982
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,880
I enjoy the characters.

983
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,480
Strange New World, if I'm honest, is much better than TNG.

984
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,200
In many, many ways it's much better.

985
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,440
It's better stories.

986
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:32,600
But it doesn't have some of the innocence and the originality that TNG kind of had.

987
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:41,800
All I'd say about it with doing these past ones is it takes a large element of the fear

988
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,200
out of it.

989
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,840
Because we know they're in the universe now.

990
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,680
It's been put in that this is not any kind of alternate timeline.

991
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,000
So we know Uhura, sorry I keep hitting it.

992
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,800
Uhura, Pike, Spock, Scotty.

993
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,720
They are not going to die in any situation they get into at any point in time.

994
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:03,800
Yes, we know that.

995
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:04,800
We know.

996
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,560
So anything that involves them, there's no fear.

997
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,560
That's all.

998
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:15,000
So they can't be, I'm trying to think of the right word that I'm supposed to be using here.

999
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,720
But they can't be put in any situation that I'm worried about their well-being.

1000
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:21,120
Other characters, absolutely.

1001
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,520
I don't ever like saying I have a favourite character because they normally die as soon

1002
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:25,520
as I say it.

1003
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,360
But that pilot, we know who she is, clearly she is.

1004
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,800
Both doctors, Chappell and Omega-Week.

1005
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,360
No, Chappell was into TOS.

1006
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:36,360
Oh, was she?

1007
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:37,360
Yeah.

1008
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,680
So then, well there you go, she's safe.

1009
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:45,720
Whereas we know that then again the main doctor and the pilot, two of my favourite characters.

1010
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:48,360
Well, Lan Loonien Sing.

1011
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,800
Sing again, so the number one and Sing.

1012
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,760
Oh no, number one according to Lower Decks.

1013
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:55,760
We know.

1014
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:56,760
Yes, she survives.

1015
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,920
So we've got just Sing and the pilot.

1016
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,920
And notice how Boimler didn't interact with either of those characters.

1017
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:06,920
That's very true, yes.

1018
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,840
Well that might have just been chance, you know, but sorry I keep hitting it.

1019
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,400
It's actually caused it to go fizzy now as well.

1020
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,400
Can you just give it a, there we go, that's better.

1021
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,400
Better?

1022
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,400
Sorry.

1023
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:20,400
No, that's okay.

1024
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,440
I guarantee no one will have heard that because the editing.

1025
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,600
But I think I need to look at the connection on that mic now.

1026
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,880
I think this needs to be pulled up here.

1027
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,480
That's what I keep because I'm hitting it over here.

1028
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,400
Yeah, so that's the only thing I'd say about it.

1029
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,280
And also because of, you know, they've engaged with it so much in series one about what happens

1030
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,280
to Pike.

1031
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,280
Yes.

1032
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,280
I feel like it's just.

1033
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,280
It's run its course.

1034
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,280
It's running over their head.

1035
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,280
We kind of know.

1036
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,140
And all it's done is put a timeline on the series, which I don't like.

1037
00:51:48,140 --> 00:51:50,000
Because we know that's going to happen.

1038
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,280
TOS is as determined that's going to happen.

1039
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,720
We know he ends up in a wheelchair that can only beep with a red flashing light.

1040
00:51:57,720 --> 00:51:59,220
That's going to happen to Pike.

1041
00:51:59,220 --> 00:52:01,320
And then he's going to end up on the planet and be happy.

1042
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:09,500
Which seems very odd to me though, that what happens to him that he, with all of that future

1043
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:13,800
technology, they can't cure him.

1044
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,040
And what happens when he goes on a plate and gets happy?

1045
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,440
They're going to plant a plate.

1046
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,320
It's a TOS era episode.

1047
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,800
I can't tell you what the aliens are.

1048
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:30,160
They've all got big bulbous heads and basically they can give him a life where they can use

1049
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:35,880
their telekinetic and their brain power to basically bring him back to normal.

1050
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:42,840
He's still just going to be sat there in the wheelchair, but in his mind and what everyone

1051
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,040
else will see is the illusion that he's completely healthy.

1052
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,040
He's back to normal.

1053
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,960
So he's still moving around in the chair, but everyone will see him standing.

1054
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,080
I don't know.

1055
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,520
That's too deep a dive for it.

1056
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,480
But basically there's a woman on this planet as well that he wants to go back to who they

1057
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,120
have done the same thing for.

1058
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,480
So there was a lot more.

1059
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,440
Maybe we should watch that episode.

1060
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:08,440
I'd like to.

1061
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,440
Yeah.

1062
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,440
Cause I don't really know much about it.

1063
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,080
I believe it's TOS the cage.

1064
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:20,120
It was meant to be the pilot episode and instead they decided to go with a different episode

1065
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,120
and that became like episode four or five later on.

1066
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:30,960
Isn't Pike the captain in the pilot episode of the original series?

1067
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:36,760
It's all basically what they did is the pilot got cut into clips and they used the clips

1068
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,640
in the episode.

1069
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,800
It's basically a legal episode.

1070
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:50,240
Brock is basically being court martial for stealing the enterprise again.

1071
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:54,240
And it's to get Pike back to this planet, which has been previously said, no one is

1072
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:58,400
allowed to go there anymore.

1073
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,800
The nice thing I guess is though, they've never put a formal date on it.

1074
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,120
So you could do another 20 series of strange new things if you want and never get there.

1075
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,480
He says about a decade, he says.

1076
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,760
Well, 10 years is a long time for series wise.

1077
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,440
So if you think a series is a year, that's 10 seasons.

1078
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,440
They won't go 10 seasons.

1079
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,000
None of these things nowadays do.

1080
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,000
No.

1081
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,520
I'd be surprised if it did more than three.

1082
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,120
I'd love it to do 10 seasons, but nowadays they do three don't they?

1083
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,120
And they're done.

1084
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:30,120
Yeah.

1085
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,800
I'd like it to get to about seven.

1086
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:39,880
I think there's a rule online somewhere that says seven series is the golden point because

1087
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,400
after series seven, it always goes downhill.

1088
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,400
Is that the jump the shock moment of happy days?

1089
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,400
Is that why they're saying it?

1090
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,640
I don't know if it falls down to just happy days as well, but a lot of Trek is I think

1091
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:57,520
TNG is only seven series, but there is, I dig it out at some point, but I'm sure there's

1092
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:04,000
something in the saying that seven series should be the limit on any show because after

1093
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,000
the seventh one, you have run out of ideas and it will go wrong.

1094
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,760
It's run its course.

1095
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,880
People have got older and you can't forever make people stay young.

1096
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:16,880
Yeah.

1097
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,200
Or they'll fuck out like Game of Thrones.

1098
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,200
Exactly.

1099
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,200
Did the dragons ever come?

1100
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,680
Did you not finish it?

1101
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:23,680
I never watched it.

1102
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,120
Oh yeah, no, they fucked it up.

1103
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,120
Nice.

1104
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,120
Yeah.

1105
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,920
And with that Game of Thrones bombshell.

1106
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,640
Command functions are offline.

1107
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,000
It's a lot everybody.

1108
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:42,080
I hope you enjoyed your first Trek talk, whatever we're going to call this.

1109
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,720
Trek talk seems a bit close to trash talk for me.

1110
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:46,600
So I get a bit talk Trek.

1111
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:47,600
Yeah.

1112
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,040
You know, they're kind of rabbit guys.

1113
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,040
I've got that trash talk.

1114
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,520
Have you listened to their new ones?

1115
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:57,360
I've been, I've binged them for the last few days and they've got that trash talk.

1116
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,360
I love it.

1117
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:59,360
I think it's hilarious.

1118
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,880
The channel 84 variety show data's brain.

1119
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:07,600
I do quite like the idea of a long winded, ridiculous thing.

1120
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,600
I really love that.

1121
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,520
The game knockout one.

1122
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:12,520
I really do.

1123
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,800
I think of something, but for now we'll just call it Trek talk.

1124
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,080
It probably ended up staying Trek talk.

1125
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,080
Maybe I'll just get the KRP guys to give us an intro.

1126
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,840
It'd just be them going Trek talk.

1127
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:23,840
Okay.

1128
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:24,840
I don't know.

1129
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:25,840
I'll ask them.

1130
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:26,840
Right.

1131
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,440
Well, you can find us on channel84.co.uk.

1132
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:36,280
You can email us on podcasts at channel84.co.uk, TJ at channel84.co.uk or Robert channel84.co.uk.

1133
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:41,160
Social media wise, you can find us on Twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, Blue Sky, threads all

1134
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:47,280
on underscore at underscore channel 84 or at flat Rob.

1135
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:48,640
That's pretty much everything.

1136
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,440
Cheerio goodbye.

1137
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,440
Beam me up Scotty.

1138
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,360
Bye.

1139
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,120
Thank you for listening to the channel 84 variety show.

1140
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,880
This station is now shutting down and we'll be back in two weeks.

1141
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,920
Take care.

1142
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:30,060
Have a great week.