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All across America and around the world, this

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is Veterans Radio. This is Veterans Radio. And

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now, your host for today's program, Dale Throneberry.

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Welcome to Veterans Radio. My name is Dale Throneberry.

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I was a CW -2 helicopter pilot in Vietnam in

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1969, just to give a little credibility here

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to the program. So yes, this is Veterans Radio

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know whatever our experiences were that's what

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eternity is I guess is what they call that so

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I'm really happy to have you here today we've

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got two organizations that we're going to feature.

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One is local here in Ann Arbor and that is Camp

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Liberty, Michigan and Larry San Antoine is the

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president of that organization. He'll be on in

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just a second and then the other one is an organization

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called the Freedom 13 and Mark Schmitz is going

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to be on Hopefully we will talk to him later

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on and he'll be telling us about that organization

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So this is another kind of our series of veterans

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to talk to both of them if you feel like you

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I'm thanking you in advance. So, let's get into

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today's program. Guest number one today is a

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good friend of Veterans Radio and a personal

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friend of mine, and that is Larry St. Antoine.

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Larry was a Navy CB in Vietnam. I think he spent

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much more time there than I did, which is fine

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with me at the time. So he's also very active

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in the Vietnam Veterans of America Chapter 310,

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and he also happens to be the newly elected president

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of Camp Liberty, Michigan. Larry, welcome to

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Veterans Radio. Thank you for having us Dale

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and I say yes because I I Take the place of everybody

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there Yeah, I understand it so tell me a Little

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bit about Camp Liberty. What what is makes Camp

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Liberty is so special well Camp Liberty Has started

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quite a while ago, but we just redid it in the

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2022 because former president had passed away

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and there was none of the former board members

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wanted to come forward. So we decided to take

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it over in 2022 and revamp everything. And so

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it's a 138 acre camp. We have two buildings.

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We do outside recreation for veterans and hunting.

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We were bordered by the river raisin on two sides

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of the of the camp so we can do fishing there

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but we've also installed a pond now that which

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we will be stocking so families can come and

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fish there. The board members include Jay Truchon

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who is the sheriff in Norville Township. He's

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the vice president and they made me president

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because We just started taking first responders

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in. Police, ambulance, fire department. And they're

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doing the hunts and they're the farm, the lodge

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and everything is available for them when we

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have it available. So they decided because I'm

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an ex Detroit police officer, an ex veteran,

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they put me in charge of it. We do... Three deer

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hunts a year two pheasant hunts and a turkey

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hunt and we're talking about opening a coyote

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in it the first Well, yeah, and and it it helps

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the The livestock that's available, you know,

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even the the sheep farmers have dogs out with

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their sheep just to keep the coyotes away so

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We have just also the first year we Was really

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a test because we didn't know all new board members

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all new, you know taking over our fundraiser

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We had a car show And it was very successful.

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We had 32 cars show up we had a band we had Raffles

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and a bouncy thing for kids and stuff like that.

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And so we've been we've been very fortunate that

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the last four years our fundraisers have really

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expanded. And I know that a lot of people wonder,

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you know, how you figure out if you're doing

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well. And we figured out that over 80 cents of

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every dollar we make goes to the veteran and

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the rest goes for like insurance and just upkeep

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of our equipment and everything. We want to expand

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even more by having clinics, PTS clinics and

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having the lodge available for other organizations

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to have their meetings. I don't know if Warriors

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and Caregivers United, WACU is another organization

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and they have in the past had meetings there

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and they would like to continue on with us and

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have their meetings there too. So it's one of

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the things where, go ahead. No, I was just going

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to say that as I mentioned, this organization

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is nearby. Well, not really like nearby, but

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it's it's where is Camp Liberty, Michigan located?

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It's in Brooklyn, Michigan, and it's we're about

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seven miles west of Manchester on Austin Road,

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just off Austin Road. So we have a lot to do

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with the local businesses in both Napoleon, Brooklyn,

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and especially Irish Hills. We do a lot with

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Irish Hills people. We just got two new board

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members, both young veterans. So one of them

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is Chad fires. He's a veteran and he owns the

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Callaghan's coffee company in Brooklyn and The

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other one is Craig Pearson. He's a pilot He's

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a veteran pilot and he works at the at the Napoleon

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Airport there and he flies he's one that flies

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the paratroopers and you know, okay all the jumpers

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and stuff out there All the jumpers and everything

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else like that so plus he flies all over the

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world so but they are a couple young New board

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members that we hope will stick with us and because

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those old guys only can last so long Yeah, I

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can understand that sometimes I think we're just

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kind of hanging on by our fingernails, but I

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think the idea of Camp Liberty is so cold Larry

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when you when you When you think that the organization

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has been around for a while, as you mentioned,

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kind of had its ups and downs, changes to boards

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and some conflicts and so forth. But you've turned

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it around and it's a... No, from my standpoint,

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it's a beautiful place to go to. It's a great

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place to go. You can hang out with veterans and

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first responders now and everybody else. I just

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got a little note that says that John Kinzinger

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is on the line and would like to join us if he

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can. So John, John Kinzinger calling us from

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Florida. John, welcome back to Veterans Radio.

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O'Dale and Larry, good to hear your voices. It's

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good to hear you. I had to call in and talk about

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Camp Liberty because I was vice president for

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when we did the reorganization. I had to step

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down because of physical issues, but that camp

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is such a beautiful place. The lodge has four

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beautiful bedrooms for veterans to come out and

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haunt. The focus is really on disabled veterans.

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It's not just... We're not, we were not looking

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for, you know, anyone who served in the military,

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but a hundred percent disabled was the real goal.

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And we have track chairs, you know, to get guys

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out to deer blinds. And it's a, it's a beautiful

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piece of property. And it's as well maintained

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plants, you know, there's plantings out there

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to attract the wildlife. And Larry has taken

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over and You know, he's done so much work out

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there in the last few years. I got to thank him

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for that. But I just want to call in and say

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Camp Liberty is someplace that is helping veterans.

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Some of the responses from some of those guys

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who come out there for deer hunts just can't

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believe how well we treat them because it's no

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cost. No cost to the veterans coming out. If

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you want to donate, that's fine. But there's

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no cost to the veterans coming out. We just...

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want to make use of that Camp Liberty. I said

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we, Larry, but that doesn't mean I'm coming back,

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huh? Got to get you back from Florida anyway.

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But great to have you on there. I'll continue

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listening and Larry's doing a good job there.

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Thanks. Thanks very much, John. Say hi to Jane

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for us. It's a great organization that you've

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got out there, Larry, and it's a great facility.

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When John was saying that we have four bedrooms

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in the chalet kind of structure that is out there,

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I thought, wow, that is really kind of cool.

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I was not aware of what was upstairs. The four

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bedrooms are set up two downstairs. and two upstairs

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and everything downstairs is handicapped little

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uh we have walk -in showers uh everything and

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so each hunt other than the pheasant hunts we

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bring four four veterans in and uh we have people

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to help them we have someone who feeds them and

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uh we even had one come from texas we picked

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them up at the airport dropped them off at the

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airport and we sent his deer back email. No.

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Well, one thing we're trying to do to help us

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because all we've been doing for the last four

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years is living on just donations alone. You

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know, you get $5 here, $10 there and stuff like

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that. We are looking for different organizations

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or different companies that will sponsor each

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hunt. And so we have the three deer hunts and

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the turkey hunt which has four veterans in each

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one of them. Now the pheasant hunts are two pheasant

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hunts and we do 20 veterans a day because we

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do two hunts and we have to buy the turkeys,

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I mean the pheasants. So we put out 40 pheasants

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for the 10 hunters in the morning and 40 pheasants

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for the 10 hunters in the afternoon and we do

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that twice a year. So it's not cheap, but we

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get a good discount with Pheasants of America.

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It's just something that would be nice to be

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able to summon this to sponsor each hunt every

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year for us or something like that. Well, I saw

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that you just recently got a nice little donation

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from the, was that the American Legion that you

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got a donation from or the VFW? No, that was

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American Legion 46 in Ann Arbor. And they're

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covering the Liberty Hunt, which is the first

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hunt for disabled veterans only. And you have

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to prove that they're 100%. And then the second

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hunt is the Independence Hunt, which is the same

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thing. 100 % disabled veterans. And then the

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next hunt is the original hunt, you know, the

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regular hunt everybody goes to a year. So that's

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veterans and first responders. Well, I think

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one of the things that... And then the pheasant

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hunts. Go ahead. All right, I will. One of the

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things that John pointed out, and one of the

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first things that I learned about Camp Liberty

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is that you had those crawlers, I guess you could

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call them, where 100 % disabled veterans could

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go out and hunt because these... I don't know

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though because they're like their track and you

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it actually helps the veterans stand up and You

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know it moves through the fields and everything

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else and allows them to actually participate

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in the hunt which the hunts in which I think

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is so it's absolutely amazing and That has to

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be such a big confidence builder for the veterans

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that go out there that you know that they're

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able to actually participate in this particular

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adventure that they're going on. They go hunting.

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I just think that you guys are doing a great

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job. It's really great to watch them because

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we have eight blinds and four of them are track

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chairs can get inside. We have guides go with

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them and so it's more the camaraderie after the

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hunt. you know because they're there for more

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than one day and so they go out and hunt but

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they come back and they spend the evening in

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front of the fireplace or if it's nice outside

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we have a fireplace outside so it's them getting

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together more than even if they don't get a deer

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or they don't get a pheasant or they don't get

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a turkey but it's getting together and and meeting

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people veterans who you don't know, but you're

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meeting them and learning them, and it's a brotherhood

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that really makes a big difference. We're, you

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know, we would like people just to be aware of

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us, you know, by going on our webpage. libertymichigan

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.org or our Facebook page, Camp Liberty, the

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number four, and then VETS, V -E -T -S. And they'll

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see all our schedules for all our hunts and the

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things that we're doing. And we even have all

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our books, our monetary, online so people can

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look and see what we've made, what we spent,

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and stuff like that. So it's one of the things

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where we want to be open to the public. of what

00:17:19.900 --> 00:17:25.980
we're doing here. We also have weddings. We have

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an outdoor chapel where we have weddings. That's

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doing a little bit of everything. I think that's

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cool. That's the other thing. I think you turn

00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.599
that into an Airbnb. But you got to make sure

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you get those veterans available. So are you

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guys open for just going out there and any weekend

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or any day of the week? Or is it what do you

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do? I do give, because I'm only 10 minutes away,

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that's another reason why they found me to be

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president, because I'm there all the time. At

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this time, there is only certain days that we

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can get there because we got other things going

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on. We got work people going out there and working,

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you know, bush hogging the lanes and things like

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that. That's a call. That's my phone. But I think

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that the main thing is if they are interested,

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they can give me a call at 734 -323 -7905 and

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I will set up something where they can come out

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and look. And we also have a program director,

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Melinda Schwinn. And her number is 517 -206 -8633.

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And she's the one who does the organizing for

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us for the fundraisers and everything else. And

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we also are looking for people experienced in

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doing grants who will volunteer to do grants

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for us in the future for larger donations in

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that. And they can get a hold of me or Melinda.

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Those grant writing things are difficult sometimes

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for those of us who are kind of unexperienced.

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If you have somebody that can help you with writing

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those grants, that's great. That's great. It

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would help us expand on even the stuff that we're

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doing now and adding. We've got a beekeeper that

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wants to come out. and teach the veterans how

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to do bees and stuff like that, so. That sounds

00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:54.980
like just about a little bit of everything, Larry.

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We're talking with Larry C. and Antoine. He's

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the president of Camp Liberty, Michigan, and

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it's a retreat for veterans, first responders.

00:20:06.220 --> 00:20:09.019
uh firemen, policemen, anybody that you know

00:20:09.019 --> 00:20:10.779
has to work with the public and I think that

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that's kind of really uh important and so you

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know we're really encouraging people to try and

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contact Larry through the website that's uh CampLibertyMichigan

00:20:20.660 --> 00:20:23.640
.org or as you mentioned you can find him on

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Facebook or I want to give out your number one

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more time Larry. My phone number? Yep. Mine is

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734 -323 -7905. Okay, and hopefully those people

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can reach you and they can help out with Camp

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Liberty because I think it's certainly a worthwhile

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cause. It's something local here and I know that

00:20:50.460 --> 00:20:52.180
people are trying to do these types of things

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all across the country. but it's something that

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we are, we're really proud of Camp Liberty Michigan

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and what you've done Larry and what people like

00:21:01.380 --> 00:21:04.319
John and the people that went before you just

00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.180
to get this thing started. I can remember hearing

00:21:06.180 --> 00:21:10.240
about Camp Liberty probably about 20 years ago

00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:16.259
almost. I think it's been 12 or 15 years that

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it's been running. Okay all right so CampLibertyMichigan

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.org go to it. We're going to run our Medal of

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Honor segment right now and when we come back

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we've got Mark Schmitz who's going to be on our

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line and he's from another organization that

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is building retreats down in Missouri right now

00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.339
and it's called the Freedom 13. I'll let Mark

00:21:41.339 --> 00:21:44.920
tell us what the magic number 13 is. So you're

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listening to Veterans Radio right now and we

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will be right back after our Medal of Honor segment.

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The Medal of Honor is the highest award for valor

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in combat given a member of the Armed Forces

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of the United States. There had been over 3 ,400

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recipients of the nation's highest award. This

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is one of them. Marine Corps Sergeant Daniel

00:22:03.849 --> 00:22:06.309
Matthews became a one -man army before being

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killed. Details after this. If you have a VA

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claim denied by the Board of Veterans' Appeals,

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contact Legal Help for Veterans at 1 -800 -693

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-4800. They're experts in handling cases before

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the U .S. Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims.

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Their number again, 1 -800 -693 -4800. Participating

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in a counterattack against a firmly entrenched

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and well -concealed North Vietnamese force, Matthews

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fearlessly advanced in the attack until his squad

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was pinned down by a murderous sweep of fire

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from an enemy machine gun. Observing that the

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deadly fire prevented a corpsman from removing

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a wounded man in an open area, Matthews worked

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his way to the base of the Hostile and Machine

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Gun emplacement, leaped onto the rock formations

00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.759
surrounding the gun, and single -handedly charged

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the Hostile emplacement with his rifle. Although

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severely wounded when the enemy brought a withering

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halo fire to bear upon him, he continued his

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one -man assault, and firing his rifle with deadly

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effectiveness, succeeded in killing two of the

00:23:07.740 --> 00:23:10.720
enemy, routing a third, and completely silencing

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the enemy weapon. thereby enabling his comrades

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to evacuate the stricken Marine to a safe position.

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Matthew succumbed to his wounds before aid could

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Veteranscrisisline .net. A message from the U

00:23:51.819 --> 00:23:59.019
.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. And we're

00:23:59.019 --> 00:24:02.079
back here on Veterans Radio and my next guest

00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:06.099
is Mark Schmitz. And Mark is the founder of an

00:24:06.099 --> 00:24:09.380
organization called the Freedom 13. And I'm going

00:24:09.380 --> 00:24:11.940
to bring Mark on the line right now to tell us

00:24:11.940 --> 00:24:14.680
what that means. So Mark, welcome to Veterans

00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:19.059
Radio. Well, thank you for having me on. Well,

00:24:19.059 --> 00:24:21.980
thank you for coming on the program. I'm really

00:24:21.980 --> 00:24:24.500
excited to talk to you about your organization.

00:24:25.660 --> 00:24:28.119
So let's tell our audience a little bit about

00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:30.619
the significance of the Freedom 13. What does

00:24:30.619 --> 00:24:36.759
that mean? Sure, we organized our 501c3 back

00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:42.779
in early 2022. We created this organization,

00:24:42.779 --> 00:24:45.640
unfortunately, because of the death of our son

00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:49.960
Jared. He was a Marine Lance Corporal who was

00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:53.299
sent off to Kabul, Afghanistan during the final

00:24:53.299 --> 00:24:57.220
days of the withdrawal and was killed tragically

00:24:57.220 --> 00:25:00.930
at the Abbey Gate when we lost 13. service members

00:25:00.930 --> 00:25:05.410
that day to a suicide bomber. Jared, that was

00:25:05.410 --> 00:25:08.990
his first deployment and he came from Jordan

00:25:08.990 --> 00:25:12.509
where he was deployed originally and came in

00:25:12.509 --> 00:25:16.029
to assist with that evacuation. So once we got

00:25:16.029 --> 00:25:18.809
that terrible knock on the door that our son

00:25:18.809 --> 00:25:24.869
was one of the deceased, we knew very quickly

00:25:24.869 --> 00:25:28.420
that we had to carry on his legacy. and the legacy

00:25:28.420 --> 00:25:33.160
of the 13 that we lost that day. And the Freedom

00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:40.339
13 has been formed to aid in the mental health

00:25:40.339 --> 00:25:44.460
of all the veterans that are still with us. We

00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:47.779
wanted to make sure that Jared's memory lived

00:25:47.779 --> 00:25:51.740
on forever. And we're doing this by way of making

00:25:51.740 --> 00:25:54.660
recreational retreat camps. We are starting in

00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:57.500
Missouri. In Bourbon, Missouri, we purchased

00:25:57.500 --> 00:26:01.480
171 acres. And each of these camps will be on

00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:04.619
at least 100 acres of land because nature in

00:26:04.619 --> 00:26:09.559
and of itself can be very therapeutic. Each camp

00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:12.460
will consist of at least 13 homes that we will

00:26:12.460 --> 00:26:15.559
build on the properties. And they'll basically

00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:19.500
operate like an Airbnb for veterans and law enforcement.

00:26:20.019 --> 00:26:22.480
So basically any gun carrying first responder.

00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:25.349
They come out for a week. with their families.

00:26:25.349 --> 00:26:28.890
I think that's a pivotal component because everyone

00:26:28.890 --> 00:26:32.630
knows when you're deployed or you send your father

00:26:32.630 --> 00:26:35.710
or mother off to work in a police uniform, you

00:26:35.710 --> 00:26:38.890
know, they come home and have those invisible

00:26:38.890 --> 00:26:44.109
scars that many of us can't even imagine. These

00:26:44.109 --> 00:26:47.490
families live through their loved one and the

00:26:47.490 --> 00:26:49.769
deployments that they're out on, whether it's

00:26:49.769 --> 00:26:54.019
overseas or stateside. And so the family unit

00:26:54.019 --> 00:26:57.299
being part of that therapeutic healing is crucially

00:26:57.299 --> 00:27:02.799
important. These safe spaces will basically serve

00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.539
as a great place for other outside organizations

00:27:05.539 --> 00:27:10.079
that have a niche for serving in the mental health

00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:14.279
realm, you know, serving from PTSD to anxiety,

00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:19.059
suicide prevention, service dogs, you name it.

00:27:19.059 --> 00:27:22.799
And they can bring their bring their resources

00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:28.680
with them to treat the guests that are with us.

00:27:29.140 --> 00:27:31.299
And this is strictly voluntary. We don't want

00:27:31.299 --> 00:27:35.079
to do, you know, a hardcore type therapeutic

00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:38.559
environment here. We want everyone to just kind

00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:43.519
of embrace it at their own pace. And while they're

00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:46.380
there, you know, it's almost like a vacation,

00:27:46.700 --> 00:27:49.869
but yet it's it's also healing. centers as well,

00:27:50.029 --> 00:27:51.269
because while they're there, there's going to

00:27:51.269 --> 00:27:53.710
be, and I'll give you an example with the Missouri

00:27:53.710 --> 00:27:56.869
Freedom Camp. We've got over four and a half

00:27:56.869 --> 00:27:59.789
miles of riding and hiking trails. We've got

00:27:59.789 --> 00:28:02.650
a stock fishing lake so you can go fishing. We're

00:28:02.650 --> 00:28:05.109
putting in a shooting range, which will have

00:28:05.109 --> 00:28:07.549
designated shooting time so that they can get

00:28:07.549 --> 00:28:10.970
out there and do what they do best and hone in

00:28:10.970 --> 00:28:13.670
on their skills again. But they'll be set up

00:28:13.670 --> 00:28:16.150
times so that we don't trigger anybody, you know,

00:28:16.250 --> 00:28:19.289
with any loud noises. that weren't expected in

00:28:19.289 --> 00:28:21.630
that time. So, you know, for example, like on

00:28:21.630 --> 00:28:23.450
Tuesdays and Thursdays, we'd have the shooting

00:28:23.450 --> 00:28:26.549
ranges open from 10 to noon. And so everybody

00:28:26.549 --> 00:28:29.130
that's there would already know ahead of time

00:28:29.130 --> 00:28:31.849
that that activity might be going on. We plan

00:28:31.849 --> 00:28:35.710
on putting in skeet shooting. We'll have sand

00:28:35.710 --> 00:28:39.089
volleyball for some of the younger guys, pickleball

00:28:39.089 --> 00:28:41.670
courts, you name it. I mean, it's going to be

00:28:41.670 --> 00:28:44.960
just a great. a great place for them to come

00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.059
and take a knee for a week. They've earned it.

00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:53.119
And we want to make sure that these guys can

00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:55.220
live to see another day, feel happy about what

00:28:55.220 --> 00:28:58.160
they've done. And most importantly, they're going

00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.380
to be around other guys that have done what they've

00:29:00.380 --> 00:29:05.880
done. And by being around the camaraderie there,

00:29:06.059 --> 00:29:08.240
I think that's a crucial piece of it as well.

00:29:09.190 --> 00:29:12.470
That's very true. That camaraderie is something

00:29:12.470 --> 00:29:17.190
that all veterans really need. They just don't

00:29:17.190 --> 00:29:20.650
realize it sometimes. But it's so important to

00:29:20.650 --> 00:29:23.329
be able to sit around and talk with other veterans

00:29:23.329 --> 00:29:25.650
who have been through similar situations that

00:29:25.650 --> 00:29:27.869
you have been through. And it just makes you

00:29:27.869 --> 00:29:30.109
feel like you're not alone. Because I think so

00:29:30.109 --> 00:29:32.910
many veterans, when they come home, they feel

00:29:32.910 --> 00:29:36.059
like there's nobody there. you know, to help

00:29:36.059 --> 00:29:38.559
them out. It sounds like you're doing just an

00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:42.039
incredible job to try and even set up this one

00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.240
camp and let more or less what you want to really

00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:47.599
do with your, you know, your aspirations are

00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.880
to open one in every state in the country. Is

00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:53.779
that right? Ultimately, yes, that's the goal.

00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.599
I mean, it's our mission is simple, but the task

00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:01.920
is monumental. I may have talked more than I

00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:03.920
can chew, but we'll find out. I think once this

00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.299
first camp is is completely finished and we can,

00:30:08.140 --> 00:30:10.140
you know, Fox News, for example, I've been on

00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:12.700
Fox News National many times. They've told me

00:30:12.700 --> 00:30:15.460
they'll send a crew out to cover a story on it

00:30:15.460 --> 00:30:18.380
once it's completed. And we hope that once people

00:30:18.380 --> 00:30:21.339
can kind of see it, feel it, touch it, you know,

00:30:21.420 --> 00:30:23.779
that sort of thing, that this will start to snowball

00:30:23.779 --> 00:30:26.640
and grow in popularity. I know there's other

00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.299
organizations that do things a little similar,

00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:32.880
but I don't think to this scale. And so that's...

00:30:32.809 --> 00:30:34.950
That's why I think it's so important that we

00:30:34.950 --> 00:30:36.670
just get the word out about what we're doing,

00:30:36.789 --> 00:30:38.950
not only just to the veterans and the law enforcement

00:30:38.950 --> 00:30:42.269
that will benefit from it, but from those people

00:30:42.269 --> 00:30:44.609
out there who believe in a mission like this.

00:30:45.369 --> 00:30:48.710
It takes an immense amount of support financially,

00:30:48.930 --> 00:30:51.609
of course. All charities out there all live and

00:30:51.609 --> 00:30:55.990
die off of the community support and that's no

00:30:55.990 --> 00:30:58.569
more no different. These are going to be incredibly

00:30:58.569 --> 00:31:01.579
expensive to build. you know, my life has now

00:31:01.579 --> 00:31:04.339
turned into one gigantic fundraising mission.

00:31:04.819 --> 00:31:08.099
So, you know, I welcome the challenge. I mean,

00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:10.759
I've always been an entrepreneur, but luckily

00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:13.519
for me, I've got a fantastic crew of volunteers

00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:18.059
who have really stepped up and, you know, they

00:31:18.059 --> 00:31:20.440
believe in the mission and they were never related.

00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:23.279
Most of them didn't even know my son personally.

00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.240
So that means a lot to me that to see these people

00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.450
get behind us so much and It's going to take

00:31:30.450 --> 00:31:32.690
an army, if you will, to make this happen, and

00:31:32.690 --> 00:31:36.990
we're slowly growing it. Again, it's just another

00:31:36.990 --> 00:31:39.650
great organization out there, much like Camp

00:31:39.650 --> 00:31:42.349
Liberty or Freedom River here in Michigan that

00:31:42.349 --> 00:31:46.789
are doing similar things on a much smaller scale.

00:31:48.470 --> 00:31:53.579
But we know how difficult it is to raise. basically

00:31:53.579 --> 00:31:56.440
millions of dollars in order to you know accomplish

00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:01.119
this if in your lifetime if we're doing well

00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:06.059
even just one a year I think that's kind of kind

00:32:06.059 --> 00:32:10.339
of cool but you've got so we are in a bourbon

00:32:10.339 --> 00:32:13.779
Missouri where is bourbon Missouri it's roughly

00:32:13.779 --> 00:32:18.119
an hour southwest of st. Louis So you just shoot

00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:22.339
out Interstate 44, the old Route 66, everyone

00:32:22.339 --> 00:32:26.140
knows. And we just head out west about an hour

00:32:26.140 --> 00:32:29.220
from St. Louis. It takes about an hour and 20

00:32:29.220 --> 00:32:31.240
minutes, I guess, from Lambert Airport in St.

00:32:31.339 --> 00:32:34.039
Louis. I live just north of there, about an hour

00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:36.039
and 20 minutes. So it's not terribly far for

00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.720
me to get there. And I try to get down there

00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.119
at least every couple of weeks. But I've got

00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:43.380
a couple of great volunteers that literally live

00:32:43.380 --> 00:32:46.900
in the town there. And so they're stopping in

00:32:46.900 --> 00:32:49.660
on the property almost daily, you know, getting

00:32:49.660 --> 00:32:54.480
stuff done. So we open up the camp to the public.

00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:57.839
We try to shoot for every second Saturday of

00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.980
the month so they can come out and volunteer

00:32:59.980 --> 00:33:02.380
and get some things done. And I'll tell you,

00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:05.400
I knew we were on the right track when we started

00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.259
these volunteer days. I had one veteran in particular

00:33:09.259 --> 00:33:12.920
who came out. He's been out several times now.

00:33:13.390 --> 00:33:15.549
and he came up to me and he says you know I've

00:33:15.549 --> 00:33:19.690
attended a lot of veterans camps where they they

00:33:19.690 --> 00:33:22.289
help us with with mental health and that sort

00:33:22.289 --> 00:33:24.789
of thing and he goes you know this this experience

00:33:24.789 --> 00:33:27.809
being out here and not even utilizing the homes

00:33:27.809 --> 00:33:29.809
because we only have two of the 13 homes built

00:33:29.809 --> 00:33:33.910
so far he said this has meant more to me than

00:33:33.910 --> 00:33:36.960
attending a week long you know, hardcore training

00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.900
session where they go in and try to help you

00:33:39.900 --> 00:33:43.079
with the mental health aspect of things. Because

00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.980
you gave us a mission. You know, when people

00:33:45.980 --> 00:33:48.140
come out there, we have a list of items that

00:33:48.140 --> 00:33:51.279
need to be done. We task those guys with those

00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.440
items and they choose what they want to take

00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:55.599
on and they work together. You know, just like

00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:59.859
being back in the good old days. So, having that

00:33:59.859 --> 00:34:02.579
mission, accomplishing that mission just gives

00:34:02.579 --> 00:34:05.359
them something to really aim and shoot for. The

00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.780
takeaway has always been positive. I can only

00:34:08.780 --> 00:34:12.199
imagine. I was just thinking about what you were

00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:14.760
saying. It's sort of like Habitat for Humanity.

00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:18.000
People go out there and they just, everything

00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.860
kind of in their minds, you know, when they get

00:34:21.860 --> 00:34:23.480
out there, it's kind of fuzzy, but everything

00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:26.519
becomes more and more focused. And that they

00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:29.559
know that they're again, they're part of a team.

00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.230
And that's something that so many people maybe

00:34:33.230 --> 00:34:35.170
they, you know, our civilian audience may not

00:34:35.170 --> 00:34:37.449
understand is that while you're in the service

00:34:37.449 --> 00:34:40.110
or if you're a policeman, fireman or always other,

00:34:40.110 --> 00:34:44.329
you know, immediate urgent response between people

00:34:44.329 --> 00:34:47.769
is that you're always part of a team. And I think

00:34:47.769 --> 00:34:50.090
that that's something that's great that you're

00:34:50.090 --> 00:34:52.590
that you're promoting out there. You've got some

00:34:52.590 --> 00:34:57.289
really interesting fundraising events that are

00:34:57.289 --> 00:34:59.210
coming up. Can you tell us about a couple of

00:34:59.210 --> 00:35:02.699
those? Well, sure. We've cherished birthday.

00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.119
He'd be 25 years old this year. It's coming up

00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:08.940
on February 25th. So we're having a big birthday

00:35:08.940 --> 00:35:13.019
bash at our local town square pub and grill and

00:35:13.019 --> 00:35:15.739
just inviting everybody to come out just because

00:35:15.739 --> 00:35:18.300
they want to sing happy birthday to a hero. But

00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:22.340
two days after that is our gala. It's going to

00:35:22.340 --> 00:35:24.619
be held at the Foundry Arts Center in St. Charles.

00:35:26.329 --> 00:35:28.489
We have a guest speaker coming in from North

00:35:28.489 --> 00:35:32.230
Carolina. He's a 17 year veteran Special Forces

00:35:32.230 --> 00:35:38.110
Green Beret who had a personal, let's say a personal

00:35:38.110 --> 00:35:42.050
experience with suicide and he's still here to

00:35:42.050 --> 00:35:44.130
talk about it. And this guy gives us the most

00:35:44.130 --> 00:35:47.130
incredible, incredibly powerful speech that I

00:35:47.130 --> 00:35:49.929
think everybody needs to hear about veteran suicide.

00:35:50.349 --> 00:35:52.570
I've saw him give a speech in Texas and it blew

00:35:52.570 --> 00:35:56.150
my mind. So he's coming in on his own dime to

00:35:56.110 --> 00:35:58.429
to be our keynote speaker, which will be huge.

00:35:59.329 --> 00:36:03.909
We've got a more fun event coming up June six.

00:36:04.449 --> 00:36:07.610
It's our first backyard ultra marathon. Everybody

00:36:07.610 --> 00:36:11.409
signs up comes out runs 4 .16 miles, they have

00:36:11.409 --> 00:36:13.849
an hour to do it. The sooner you get done, the

00:36:13.849 --> 00:36:15.809
more rest you get because at the start of the

00:36:15.809 --> 00:36:24.440
next hour, you get to do it all over again. What

00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:27.820
I'm going to do. You're going to run twenty four

00:36:27.820 --> 00:36:31.679
point one six miles. And then let's say you finish

00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:33.760
in 30 minutes. Well, you got 30 minutes to rest

00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.699
because at the top of the next hour you get to

00:36:36.699 --> 00:36:39.260
start all over. And that happens over and over

00:36:39.260 --> 00:36:41.400
and over until there's literally one person left

00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:44.199
to finish. Oh, OK. So you're just going to run.

00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:46.699
You're just running everybody into the ground.

00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:50.539
Well, I'll tell you, it's it's not so much you're

00:36:50.539 --> 00:36:53.300
racing against other people. You're you're really

00:36:53.300 --> 00:36:55.280
racing against yourself because you want to see

00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.039
how far can you actually physically mentally

00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:02.039
push yourself you know to to make it and i've

00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:03.960
got runners that are coming in from all over

00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:06.519
the country and like one gentleman for example

00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:09.179
he was part of the world marathon he ran seven

00:37:09.179 --> 00:37:11.920
marathons and seven days on seven different continents

00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:16.639
i mean it was so i will safely be sitting in

00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:19.119
a side by side i will not be participating i've

00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:23.269
got knee injuries but I barely made the one mile

00:37:23.269 --> 00:37:28.929
run in basic training. Well, it's actually being

00:37:28.929 --> 00:37:32.170
it was put on by a Marine. He just got out recently

00:37:32.170 --> 00:37:35.030
and he approached me and said, Hey, can we can

00:37:35.030 --> 00:37:38.909
we do this? And he owns a local brewery called

00:37:38.909 --> 00:37:41.530
Muddy Banks. And he says, I'd love to have an

00:37:41.530 --> 00:37:43.469
ultramarathon on your property. So that's the

00:37:43.469 --> 00:37:45.349
neat, unique thing about it is we're going to

00:37:45.349 --> 00:37:48.070
actually have this race on the Missouri Freedom

00:37:48.070 --> 00:37:51.670
Camp property. So It'll be great. It could go

00:37:51.670 --> 00:37:54.130
on for days. It could go on, you know, literally

00:37:54.130 --> 00:37:57.929
a week. They'll run until nobody's left. It seems

00:37:57.929 --> 00:38:00.170
like a great way to get, you know, if all those

00:38:00.170 --> 00:38:03.510
runners were to get sponsors to support them.

00:38:04.329 --> 00:38:07.309
Wow, that could be a pretty good fundraiser right

00:38:07.309 --> 00:38:10.550
there. Oh, absolutely. We've already raised quite

00:38:10.550 --> 00:38:13.929
a bit of sponsorship money there. I like the

00:38:13.929 --> 00:38:15.769
idea of having it on the camp. It just gets more

00:38:15.769 --> 00:38:18.110
eyes on it and people can actually see it for

00:38:18.110 --> 00:38:22.309
what it is. But Then we've got another huge event

00:38:22.309 --> 00:38:25.389
coming up in August on the 15th called the Angels

00:38:25.389 --> 00:38:27.750
of Abbey Gate Memorial Ride. We've been doing

00:38:27.750 --> 00:38:30.929
this every year since we lost the 13 at Abbey

00:38:30.929 --> 00:38:35.829
Gate. And this is starting to become a mini version

00:38:35.829 --> 00:38:40.329
of Sturgis in the St. Louis area. We had almost

00:38:40.329 --> 00:38:43.530
a thousand participants last year and we fully

00:38:43.530 --> 00:38:45.730
anticipate probably even the bigger attendance

00:38:45.730 --> 00:38:48.969
this year. So there's 13 different launch points.

00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:53.039
The furthest one away right now is Indiana. Everybody

00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.980
rides in from their start point. They rally at

00:38:55.980 --> 00:38:59.739
one point. In this case, it's a local mall that

00:38:59.739 --> 00:39:01.980
went out of business, so there's plenty of parking.

00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:05.280
They rally there, and then we get a police escort

00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.619
to Lakeside 370 Park. We're going to have a live

00:39:08.619 --> 00:39:12.900
band and food trucks and whatnot, and just some

00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:16.260
great speeches celebrating the lives of those

00:39:16.260 --> 00:39:19.909
that made the ultimate sacrifice. Again, it's

00:39:19.909 --> 00:39:23.929
just another great awareness event and it's gone

00:39:23.929 --> 00:39:26.050
very, very well every single year and it continues

00:39:26.050 --> 00:39:35.360
to grow. I'm dumbfounded here as I'm trying to

00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:39.880
figure this out. I mean, obviously it's a very,

00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:43.119
very worthwhile cause. And just for our audience's

00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:44.940
sake, we're talking with Mark Schmitz. He's the

00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:48.420
founder of the Freedom 13. And it's designed

00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:51.619
to honor not only his son, Jared, who was killed,

00:39:51.659 --> 00:39:54.139
but the other 12 along with him at Abbey Gate

00:39:54.139 --> 00:39:59.920
in Kabul in 2021, I believe. And they just want

00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:03.090
to help. everybody all the veterans first responders

00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:07.349
that they can and I really admire your courage

00:40:07.349 --> 00:40:09.650
for trying you know for doing this and I'm hoping

00:40:09.650 --> 00:40:11.949
that you've been able to line up some corporate

00:40:11.949 --> 00:40:14.309
sponsors or somebody that's listening today on

00:40:14.309 --> 00:40:17.070
our program will reach out and contact you and

00:40:17.070 --> 00:40:19.530
if they did how do they go about doing that if

00:40:19.530 --> 00:40:22.269
we wanted to donate money what do we do sure

00:40:22.269 --> 00:40:24.989
so actually what we set up similar to like what

00:40:24.989 --> 00:40:28.449
tunnels to towers does They have their $11 a

00:40:28.449 --> 00:40:32.550
month campaign because of the 11 looks like towers,

00:40:32.550 --> 00:40:36.789
right? So we have a $13 a month giving campaign

00:40:36.789 --> 00:40:40.110
just because that's our number. We lost 13 that

00:40:40.110 --> 00:40:43.309
day. And what we ask for from the general public

00:40:43.309 --> 00:40:47.090
across the country is to consider signing up

00:40:47.090 --> 00:40:50.989
for $13 a month. You sign up one time and the

00:40:50.989 --> 00:40:52.750
money comes out every single month until you

00:40:52.750 --> 00:40:54.570
no longer want to do it. There's no commitment.

00:40:54.829 --> 00:40:57.989
You can cancel whenever you need to. Some people

00:40:57.989 --> 00:40:59.789
have signed up for five dollars a month, some

00:40:59.789 --> 00:41:02.130
have signed up for 50. You know, it's whatever

00:41:02.130 --> 00:41:04.090
you can afford. And we try to make it affordable

00:41:04.090 --> 00:41:07.809
because this is a volume mission. You know, you

00:41:07.809 --> 00:41:10.989
get a thousand people donating a small amount.

00:41:11.030 --> 00:41:13.690
It adds up very, very quickly. And to be honest,

00:41:13.889 --> 00:41:17.170
we spent four days down in Tennessee meeting

00:41:17.170 --> 00:41:19.369
with Gary Sinise and the Gary Sinise Foundation.

00:41:19.449 --> 00:41:22.949
And I talked to them at great length about the

00:41:22.949 --> 00:41:25.980
financial aspects of nonprofits. he said their

00:41:25.980 --> 00:41:29.059
number one donor base is quote unquote the little

00:41:29.059 --> 00:41:31.559
people you know it's the small donations but

00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.599
on a large scale and that's that's pretty much

00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.420
it makes sense because that's the oil that keeps

00:41:38.420 --> 00:41:41.019
the machine running and then your legacy donors

00:41:41.019 --> 00:41:44.639
you know both alive and deceased those donations

00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.360
are huge and of course corporate donors and sponsors

00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:51.599
are always pivotal so they can go to thefreedom13

00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:55.849
.org to read more about our our organizations,

00:41:56.070 --> 00:42:00.469
a back history of my son, myself, my wife, what

00:42:00.469 --> 00:42:02.789
we're trying to do and all the events that we

00:42:02.789 --> 00:42:06.550
have coming up. There's always sponsorship opportunities

00:42:06.550 --> 00:42:09.150
and any larger organizations that really want

00:42:09.150 --> 00:42:11.289
to get behind, you know, what we're trying to

00:42:11.289 --> 00:42:13.030
do, feel free to reach out to me personally.

00:42:13.150 --> 00:42:15.449
We're not big enough yet that when you go to

00:42:15.449 --> 00:42:19.369
the website, you get me. So phone numbers, emails,

00:42:19.510 --> 00:42:22.059
it all goes to me. Well, it's always good to

00:42:22.059 --> 00:42:25.820
have a face on these organizations. It's a really

00:42:25.820 --> 00:42:30.739
nice looking website. It's easily maneuverable,

00:42:30.739 --> 00:42:33.019
I guess you could say. They've got a lot of cool

00:42:33.019 --> 00:42:36.760
swag in their shop as part of their fundraiser.

00:42:36.900 --> 00:42:39.059
And I have a feeling that we're going to be seeing

00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:44.159
more and more of the Freedom 13 hats and things

00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:48.320
around the country as you start to expand this

00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:51.820
whole thing. I think it's cool. I hope so. I

00:42:51.820 --> 00:42:54.820
mean, it's it's my new mission in life. And,

00:42:54.820 --> 00:42:58.500
you know, people say, I hope your son is proud

00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:00.360
or you think your son's proud of you. I said,

00:43:00.420 --> 00:43:03.039
no, nothing can ever compare to how proud I am

00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:06.219
of him. So he's why I'm doing this. And I'll

00:43:06.219 --> 00:43:11.760
never stop. Well, you know, it's. Mark, we're

00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:14.639
really, we're very fortunate. You know, people

00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.159
don't seem to realize this. We're very fortunate

00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.659
that there are people like you and Larry and

00:43:19.659 --> 00:43:21.579
some of the other folks that are out there that

00:43:21.579 --> 00:43:26.059
are trying to do whatever they can to help these

00:43:26.059 --> 00:43:28.800
veterans that are coming home from these, you

00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.860
know, conflicts that, you know, politicians get

00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:34.059
us into war. They don't fight them, unfortunately.

00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:37.340
And then, you know, and then they bring us back

00:43:37.340 --> 00:43:42.730
and sometimes I'm not going to go there. Sometimes

00:43:42.730 --> 00:43:44.949
we don't get sometimes we don't get the support

00:43:44.949 --> 00:43:47.829
that we really need and it's great that people

00:43:47.829 --> 00:43:51.489
are stepping forward and doing this and you know

00:43:51.489 --> 00:43:54.010
offering a veteran community of men and women

00:43:54.010 --> 00:43:56.110
you know who really are putting their lives on

00:43:56.110 --> 00:44:00.969
the line every single day and you know we're

00:44:00.969 --> 00:44:04.889
we're trying to my thought is that you know you

00:44:04.889 --> 00:44:08.750
guys are trying to reward them with these retreats

00:44:08.750 --> 00:44:11.789
where they can go and they can just calm down

00:44:11.789 --> 00:44:14.769
and just you know feel safe. I think that's one

00:44:14.769 --> 00:44:18.130
of the big things that so many veterans need

00:44:18.130 --> 00:44:21.150
to have happen to them when they get back from

00:44:21.150 --> 00:44:23.449
wherever they were whenever they were is they

00:44:23.449 --> 00:44:25.909
need to find some place that's safe for them

00:44:25.909 --> 00:44:29.090
and safe for them to bring their families to

00:44:29.090 --> 00:44:32.150
or safe for them to bring their friends to and

00:44:32.150 --> 00:44:34.730
sit around and shoot the breeze and you know

00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.500
Find out that you know what everybody went through

00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:39.699
and that they weren't alone in this You know

00:44:39.699 --> 00:44:42.000
big adventure of their life and that they're

00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:43.940
they've got this place as I mentioned before

00:44:43.940 --> 00:44:47.119
that's just the safety to me is is the big deal

00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:51.139
because some of these men and women are such

00:44:51.139 --> 00:44:55.519
anxiety and You know these traumatic brain injuries

00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:57.980
and post -traumatic stress and everything else.

00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:00.559
I think they're they're so much more comfortable

00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:04.420
around their own kind You know, psychologists

00:45:04.420 --> 00:45:07.599
and psychiatrists can do wonderful things, but

00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:12.079
most of them haven't been there. And what you're

00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.460
offering, and I think it's going to be a great,

00:45:15.460 --> 00:45:19.500
great opportunity. I can't wait to see the first

00:45:19.500 --> 00:45:21.539
one and then the next one and then the next one.

00:45:21.780 --> 00:45:24.480
I think you've got a big task in front of you,

00:45:24.500 --> 00:45:27.739
but I think it's going to be really cool. But

00:45:27.739 --> 00:45:30.559
I think that not only, you know, them having

00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:33.300
a good experience and coming out a little bit

00:45:33.300 --> 00:45:36.320
more mentally strong is obviously important,

00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.219
but at the same time, to remind them that it's

00:45:39.219 --> 00:45:42.639
okay to enjoy life again. And being out there,

00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:45.699
I've not yet met a single person that's been

00:45:45.699 --> 00:45:48.340
out to the camp that didn't enjoy themselves.

00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:50.940
And even if I had them working and sweating,

00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.280
they still, you know, because there was that

00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:58.619
mission driven... focused that day. They loved

00:45:58.619 --> 00:46:00.719
it. You know, they walk away with some new calluses

00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:03.039
on their hands and maybe a little sweaty and

00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:06.000
tired, but they thoroughly enjoyed the time they

00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.320
got to spend out there and the people they got

00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:10.980
to beat around and we're not even open yet. So

00:46:10.980 --> 00:46:13.920
that's the exciting part for me is that we're

00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.519
already starting to get there and it hasn't even

00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:19.380
technically even opened for business yet. So,

00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:23.230
you know, I can't wait to get this thing. fully

00:46:23.230 --> 00:46:25.670
launched and, God willing, hopefully through

00:46:25.670 --> 00:46:28.510
this gala and whatnot, we can raise enough funds

00:46:28.510 --> 00:46:31.849
and to try to make sure that we can get this

00:46:31.849 --> 00:46:34.090
thing going as quickly as possible. Everybody

00:46:34.090 --> 00:46:36.510
that is involved in my organization, including

00:46:36.510 --> 00:46:38.769
myself, are all volunteers. Nobody gets paid

00:46:38.769 --> 00:46:41.170
for anything that we're doing. And that's hugely

00:46:41.170 --> 00:46:44.010
important because we want every dollar that we

00:46:44.010 --> 00:46:47.150
raise to be able to fund this whole thing and

00:46:47.150 --> 00:46:50.050
get it launched as quickly as possible. Well,

00:46:50.789 --> 00:46:52.929
I'm wishing you the best of luck. Please let

00:46:52.929 --> 00:46:55.030
me know when you're ready for your big dedication.

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And we will, obviously, we would love to help

00:46:57.650 --> 00:47:01.469
promote that. The organization is thefreedom13

00:47:01.469 --> 00:47:06.289
.org. It's never forget. It's dedicated to Mark's

00:47:06.289 --> 00:47:11.050
son, Jared, and the other 12 soldiers and Marines

00:47:11.050 --> 00:47:13.550
that were, unfortunately, were killed at the

00:47:13.550 --> 00:47:19.510
Abbey Gate in Kabul in 2021. make this a success.

00:47:20.170 --> 00:47:23.349
I wish you the best of luck. Well, thank you

00:47:23.349 --> 00:47:26.530
so much for giving us a voice that's so crucially

00:47:26.530 --> 00:47:29.630
needed to get the word out. So thank you. That's

00:47:29.630 --> 00:47:31.630
our job. Thank you, Mark. I look forward to talking

00:47:31.630 --> 00:47:35.190
to you again. We're going to take a thank you.

00:47:35.389 --> 00:47:38.170
We're going to do a real quick promo here. As

00:47:38.170 --> 00:47:41.110
I mentioned last week or the week before, the

00:47:41.110 --> 00:47:43.250
Medal of Honor Society is coming to Detroit.

00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:47.360
at the end of September this year. And so my

00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:50.119
partner Jim Falzone was talking to one of the

00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:53.519
surviving Medal of Honor people who are going

00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:59.059
to be there. So here is Jim right now. The Congressional

00:47:59.059 --> 00:48:01.260
Medal of Honor Society Convention will be held

00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:05.239
in Detroit from September 29th to October 3rd

00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:09.239
of 2026, featuring the largest gathering of living

00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:13.119
Medal of Honor recipients. It brings together

00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:16.360
as many as 60 living Medal of Honor recipients

00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:18.739
for a series of public and private events aimed

00:48:18.739 --> 00:48:21.500
at sharing their heroic stories and promoting

00:48:21.500 --> 00:48:24.719
the values of the Medal of Honor, such as commitment,

00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:30.719
integrity, courage, sacrifice, citizenship, and

00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.539
patriotism. This event will also include community

00:48:34.539 --> 00:48:37.320
engagement activities allowing recipients to

00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:41.239
connect with the local Metro Detroit students

00:48:41.210 --> 00:48:45.369
veterans and active military members. This convention

00:48:45.369 --> 00:48:47.949
represents a unique opportunity for the City

00:48:47.949 --> 00:48:50.769
of Detroit and surrounding area to honor its

00:48:50.769 --> 00:48:54.570
military heroes and foster a spirit of patriotism

00:48:54.570 --> 00:48:57.869
and community engagement. You can learn more

00:48:57.869 --> 00:49:01.710
about this upcoming convention at medalofhonoredetroit

00:49:01.710 --> 00:49:06.110
.com. You can go there to support it with financial

00:49:06.110 --> 00:49:10.010
resources and volunteer support. Let me tell

00:49:10.010 --> 00:49:13.449
you about one of these men, James Livingston.

00:49:14.789 --> 00:49:19.809
He grew up in rural Georgia at a time when the

00:49:19.809 --> 00:49:25.210
area was still recovering from desperate economic

00:49:25.210 --> 00:49:32.510
times. He went on to Auburn University in Alabama.

00:49:32.929 --> 00:49:36.090
He was admitted to the Naval Reserve Officers

00:49:36.090 --> 00:49:41.590
Training Corps. That's NROTC. It allowed him

00:49:41.590 --> 00:49:45.289
to prepare for the future and his education and

00:49:45.289 --> 00:49:49.429
ultimately become a Marine officer. He earned

00:49:49.429 --> 00:49:53.869
a bachelor's of science and engineering and went

00:49:53.869 --> 00:49:59.809
on to do two combat tours in Vietnam. It was

00:49:59.809 --> 00:50:04.269
the events on May 2nd 1968 in the hamlet of Dao

00:50:04.269 --> 00:50:07.699
Do that would define and place him in a military

00:50:07.699 --> 00:50:12.280
history. He was a captain commanding marines

00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:16.780
in a brutal engagement deeply entrenched in North

00:50:16.780 --> 00:50:20.239
Vietnam forces. The fight was savage and the

00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:23.900
terrain offered almost no cover. Captain Livingston

00:50:23.900 --> 00:50:26.980
repeatedly led assaults across open rice paddies

00:50:26.980 --> 00:50:30.360
swept by enemy fire, personally destroying enemy

00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:33.059
positions, rallying the marines, evacuating the

00:50:33.059 --> 00:50:37.179
wounded under fire, and refusing medical evacuation

00:50:37.179 --> 00:50:41.699
himself despite serious wounds. For these actions

00:50:41.699 --> 00:50:47.280
he was awarded the Medal of Honor. Livingston's

00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:50.900
military career continued. He retired as a major

00:50:50.900 --> 00:50:54.880
general and he became a vocal advocate for veterans

00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:59.619
and improved military readiness. He co -authored

00:50:59.619 --> 00:51:03.059
a book called Noble Warrior, a compelling account

00:51:03.059 --> 00:51:06.280
not only of his upbringing but the fight that

00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:11.099
focused him into history. Through these deployments,

00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:14.900
Livingston continued to have a strong family

00:51:14.900 --> 00:51:18.719
life, and to his daughters he is remembered not

00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:22.119
as a general, but as a father, and to his Marines

00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:24.860
he is remembered not as a distant figure, but

00:51:24.860 --> 00:51:29.300
a mentor. You can learn more by going to the

00:51:29.300 --> 00:51:34.360
Congressional Medal of Honor Society site, cmohs

00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:38.659
.org. And remember to visit medalofhonoredetroit

00:51:38.659 --> 00:51:44.599
.com. That was Jim Falzone talking about the

00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:46.400
Medal of Honor convention that's going to be

00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:49.079
coming up in Detroit at the end of September.

00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.460
And we're really excited because we're hoping

00:51:52.460 --> 00:51:55.260
to be down there, obviously, and recording many,

00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:59.820
many more of these stories. We do a Medal of

00:51:59.820 --> 00:52:03.019
Honor segment every week here on Veterans Radio.

00:52:03.420 --> 00:52:06.320
And we need to upgrade it a little bit. There

00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:10.260
are now a little bit over 3 ,500 men who have

00:52:10.260 --> 00:52:12.280
received the Medal of Honor, only one woman.

00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:18.059
But it's a story that we need to tell. And really,

00:52:19.340 --> 00:52:21.820
I don't know. Every one of these Medal of Honor

00:52:21.820 --> 00:52:23.800
recipients that we've had the privilege of talking

00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:27.920
to over the last 20 years have been the... Most

00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:30.019
of them are humble. They say, you know, they're

00:52:30.019 --> 00:52:33.030
not the heroes. It's always the... the men and

00:52:33.030 --> 00:52:35.309
women that didn't make it back that are their

00:52:35.309 --> 00:52:39.469
true heroes. But I think if you listen to our

00:52:39.469 --> 00:52:43.909
program over the next nine months, we're going

00:52:43.909 --> 00:52:45.969
to be talking more and more about Medal of Honor

00:52:45.969 --> 00:52:48.289
recipients, kind of try to give you the backstory

00:52:48.289 --> 00:52:51.170
on some of these, a little bit more of a narrative

00:52:51.170 --> 00:52:55.429
on them. And I think it's going to be really

00:52:55.429 --> 00:52:57.289
interesting. We're very pleased that they've

00:52:57.289 --> 00:52:59.610
asked us to participate with them in Detroit.

00:53:00.630 --> 00:53:03.010
And you know, it's one of those things that I'm

00:53:03.010 --> 00:53:05.909
just really Excited to do because there's a lot

00:53:05.909 --> 00:53:07.570
of things that are going on out there. I want

00:53:07.570 --> 00:53:10.789
you know, we were talking today briefly about

00:53:10.789 --> 00:53:14.429
Just these people that are out trying to Set

00:53:14.429 --> 00:53:17.570
up these retreats set up care set up anything

00:53:17.570 --> 00:53:21.750
they can to help these returning veterans You

00:53:21.750 --> 00:53:25.170
know assimilate back into the to regular society

00:53:25.170 --> 00:53:29.329
to figure out a way to handle the traumatic events

00:53:29.329 --> 00:53:31.730
that have occurred in their lives. That's something

00:53:31.730 --> 00:53:35.190
that we want to make sure that we continue to

00:53:35.190 --> 00:53:37.730
promote here on Veterans Radio. So if you have

00:53:37.730 --> 00:53:40.989
an organization that's got something out there

00:53:40.989 --> 00:53:44.090
that's designed to help veterans and their families

00:53:44.090 --> 00:53:46.929
and first responders, let us know. We'd love

00:53:46.929 --> 00:53:50.369
to have you on the program to promote your organization

00:53:50.369 --> 00:53:52.909
and let people know what is happening in your

00:53:52.909 --> 00:53:57.139
area to support the veteran community. You know,

00:53:57.619 --> 00:54:00.679
this is not a one -man show here at Veterans

00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:04.599
Radio. We have been talking with you for 23 years

00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:08.559
almost now. We're very excited to continue on

00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:11.300
with this. Somebody mentioned earlier this morning,

00:54:11.579 --> 00:54:13.119
I was talking to him, he says, hell, I'm gonna

00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:16.019
be 80 this year. I'm going, oh my gosh, oh my,

00:54:16.099 --> 00:54:17.840
that's really frightening when you think about

00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:20.340
it. But we've got our mission here, so we've

00:54:20.340 --> 00:54:23.380
got to go. God bless America's coming up with

00:54:23.380 --> 00:54:25.530
Johnny Fortune. This is Dale Thromberry for all

00:54:25.530 --> 00:54:36.769
of us at Veterans Radio. You are dismissed. God

00:54:36.769 --> 00:54:49.150
bless America Land that I love Stand beside her

00:54:49.150 --> 00:54:55.300
And guide her Through the night with a light

00:54:55.300 --> 00:55:03.699
from above From the mountains to the prairies

00:55:03.699 --> 00:55:14.739
To the oceans white with foam God bless America,

00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:26.869
my home sweet home Eureka!
