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All across America and around the world, this

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is Veterans Radio. This is Veterans Radio. And

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now, your host for today's program, Dale Throneberry.

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Hey and welcome to Veterans Radio. My name is

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Dale Throneberry and we are all covered with

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snow. from I don't know how far west all the

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way to the east coast and we're trying to get

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a hold of our guests today and I'm hoping that

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they're not uh you know inundated and igloos

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and so forth so we're just going to continue

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to talk. We've got two guests hopefully that

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are going to be here today. Number one is Brian

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DeLong and he is from the Excuse me guardian

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angels medical service dogs and The reason that

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I'm asking Brian to come on the program is that

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he or the organization was one of the Favorite

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organizations, I guess you could say of one of

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our very good friends Keith King Who was the

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founder of the National Veterans Development

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Council? one of our major supporters who passed

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away in January 1st and they asked for donations

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to be made to this organization. And I also have

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a good friend who has a service dog from this

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organization. So that's why we're asking, hopefully,

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that Brian will be able to join us in just a

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little bit. And of course, the second part, the

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second interview is going to be with our good

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friend Rebecca Grant, who is going to be talking

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about foreign policy. As you all know what's

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going on. Well, maybe we don't know everything

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that's going on in the world, but we're gonna

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be talking about Greenland Venezuela China everything

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else that's going on out there with the current

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administration and Hopefully everything will

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work out fine and we'll see how that goes but

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the other thing I wanted to remind everybody

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of is Now if you want to get in on the conversation

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Today you can give us a call at seven three four

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eight two two sixteen hundred the Reason I'm

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giving that number out today. This is because

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we normally we record our program live on Sundays

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from 5 to 6 p .m. For those of you that are listening

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to the pre -recorded program obviously you don't

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get an opportunity to call in and ask us questions,

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but if you tune in on Sundays Through our website

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that number 734 -822 -1600 All right. Well, I'll

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just continue to move along here with all the

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things that we need to talk about While we are

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waiting We kind of call I think and find out

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how much snow everybody's getting and I talked

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to Relatives in New Jersey today and they're

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I don't know. He said they've already plowed

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twice It looks like they're getting anywhere

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from 12 to 18 inches. I think we're not going

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to get very much where we are today. Let me thank

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Business Development Council is kind of an unusual

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organization. I know we've talked about this

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before, but I wanted to let you know that if

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And by that certification, I mean that you are

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is what NVBDC does is they run you through a

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We do greatly appreciate that. We're also got

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a couple of things that are coming up here on

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Veterans Radio. We're in the planning stages

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for Radio on the River. I can't remember which

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one it is, five or six now. And we're going to

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be out at Freedom River again out in Pinkney,

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Michigan. And we're trying to figure out if we

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want to have helicopters out there again. I know

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we're working on having a static display of military

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vehicles, which I think is kind of cool. We've

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got a contact with the Michigan, I think it's

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a Michigan National Guard. Maybe we're going

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to be able to bring a Chinook out there for a

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static display. No rides, unfortunately. But

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I think that will be kind of fun. So Mark, look

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at your calendar. It's going to be either the

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last week of September or the first week of October.

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We haven't really been able to finalize that

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yet due to commitments by other parts of the

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organization. So let me move along here as we

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can. And let me tell you a little bit about what

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the Guardian Angels Medical Service Dogs do.

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This is an organization down in Florida and their

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website is MedicalServiceDogs .org. The thing

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about them is we all know about these service

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dogs and the great things that they can do for

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veterans and other people that have suffered

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from post -traumatic stress or TBIs. There's

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mobility challenges. There's everything that

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are involved. On their website, as I mentioned

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before, is MedicalServiceDogs .org. It's a 501c3

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nonprofit dedicated to empowering veterans, first

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responders, and individuals with disabilities

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by providing highly trained service dogs that

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help people regain independence and improve their

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quality of life. Their service dogs are trained

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to assist with a range of conditions, including

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PTSD, traumatic brain injury, mobility challenges,

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seizures and diabetic disorders, and hearing

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impairments. They also offer lifelong support,

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including a medical savings plan that covers

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veterinary care, ensuring both your recipients

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and their service dogs receive the highest standard

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of ongoing care. Throughout partnerships with

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nationally certified mental health professionals

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and our VA approved college accredited apprenticeship

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program, we're advancing service dog training

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methods and setting a high standard of excellence

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across the industry. Driven by compassion and

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a commitment to lifelong support, we strive daily

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to make a meaningful difference in the lives

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of our recipients and their families. We love

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these organizations obviously that provide these

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these dogs for the For the you know for people

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that need service dogs Stepping on my tongue

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here myself, but this is an organization. I think

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that you should check out again. It's medical

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service dogs org They are as I mentioned there

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are 501 c3 nonprofit organization. There's no

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cost You know for the person that receives the

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dogs So I think it's something that you might

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want to look into. Theoretically, I'm hoping

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that the person I was going to talk to, Brian,

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might join us later on. If he does, I hope I

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can bring him on at that time. So we're going

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to skip right ahead because my good friend has

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just joined us here on Zoom. And that is Dr.

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Rebecca Grant. And Dr. Grant, let me read you

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a good... Afternoon, I hope things are going

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well in the DC area. Yes, we have a little bit

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of a snowstorm, but it is just down to the freezing

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rain. And wow, do we have a lot of hot air coming

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out of Washington as always. That's for sure.

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Let me give our audience a little background

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on you. Dr. Grant is one of our favorite people

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to have on Veterans Radio. She is a national

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security analyst based in Washington DC, specializing

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in defense and aerospace research and national

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security consulting. She is a vice president

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of the Lexington Institute, which is a center

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-right think tank headquartered in Arlington,

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Virginia that focuses mainly on defense and security

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policy. I'm going to talk a little bit more about

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them later on. Dr. Grant has over 20 years experience

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working in the United States Air Force with the

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Air Force. Air Force and Arm. The Navy and other

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top aerospace clients. In addition, she has often

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appeared on television as an expert on national

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security from Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and is a

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regular series regular on the Smithsonian's Air

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Warriors. I think that's where we found you in

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the first place. She also writes on China, Russia,

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and other technology and national security topics

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for Fox News opinion. Her military books include

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75th grade Airman, B2 goes to war, battle test

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of aircraft carriers in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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She's graduated from Wesley College and she earned

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her PhD in International Relations from the London

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School of Economics. This is why we have her

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on the program. She's one of our favorite guests.

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She tells it like it is. All right, Dr. Grant,

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where do we begin? Well, let's get your globe

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and spin it around a couple times and put your

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finger down, and we may land on Iran, where the

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USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier is approaching.

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We may land on Venezuela. We may land on Greenland.

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I know. And of course, Ukraine. So much to talk

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about. And China there, about all of it. But

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let's start at the top of the globe, at the North

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Pole, if that's OK with you. That's fine with

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me. We can do this. All right, so let's go look

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at Greenland. What's going on there? How come

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the president wants Greenland? Well, he does

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have an eye for prime real estate. That's Greenland,

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all right. It is. Greenland is a geologist's

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treasure trove. They have some oil resources

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there under that ice. They also have a lot of

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critical minerals, gold and copper as well. But

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you don't often think about Greenland, and I

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do think a little bit for President Trump. And

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you know, I don't think he'd deny this. He does

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like his real estate, and it's a little bit Dale

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-like that. house on your block that you drive

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by and you really think, wow, I really wish I

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could buy that house and it was truly not for

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sale. Right. You just, you've always really wanted

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it. So President Trump started talking about

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Greenland, actually back during his first term,

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but the reason becomes very apparent if you do

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look at a globe and not just the Mercator flat

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projection, but when you look at a globe starting

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at the North Pole and you can see On one side

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there is Russia. They've got their big bases

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on the Kola Peninsula. They have nuclear bomber

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bases up there. Of course they have their submarine

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bases. And then you move around, there's Iceland,

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Greenland, the GIUK gap where Russia runs its

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submarines down into the Atlantic. And then you

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look on the other side and wow, there we are,

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Canada and the United States with all the routes

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for Russian bombers. Russian intercontinental

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ballistic missiles, Chinese submarines, Russian

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submarines, Russian bombers, Chinese bombers

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with Russian bombers, everything that could fly

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around in that airspace comes over across Greenland.

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And watching it all is our base that you will

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remember as Thule. It's now called Petufik. But

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it's still in the same place, up there, 900 miles.

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Up from Nook up in Greenland is the space, which

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is a United States space force base key to missile

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warning. Also a couple of space squadrons there

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who track our satellites on orbit, but they also

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do a mission called space domain awareness where

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they track China's 1300 satellites on orbit and

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anything else that may be there. And that is

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an increasingly important mission. So basically

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If you want to build, if you're President Trump

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and you want to build more of a missile shield

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for the Western Hemisphere, for the United States

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and Canada, you have got to have Greenland. And

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you can't let China get their hooks into Greenland

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over the long term. Several years ago, the Greenland

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Prime Minister, it was different from who it

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is now, went to Beijing and said, hey, We need

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some new airports, some improvements in our airports.

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Would you all like to invest? And, you know,

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you can lease the runways and all that. Well,

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Denmark came in and said, hold on a minute. You

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can't do that. Not so fast. We're not going to

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have that happen. But the long term, the kind

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of the decades long threat is the combination

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of China really getting a foothold in that area.

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And then, of course, the need to keep up this

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space surveillance. So, we only have one base

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in Greenland. I know it was very important during

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World War II. Oh, it was enormously important

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during World War II. That was the route that

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aircraft flew over to England. B -17s, P -38s,

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the fighters, all that would go up across that

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route. And there were several airfields there

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at the time. A couple harrowing stories of a

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B -17 that was lost there in 1942. and our norwegian

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who was an air force colonel ended up going and

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rescuing them incredible story of all the the

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airmen that went through greenland but at this

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point our main facility is uh... is the surveillance

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station at the defeat which was put there initially

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for the uh... distant early warning radars it's

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it's been massively upgraded and it's it's right

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up in that the arctic circle now you know nato

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understands the importance of the high north

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and the arctic so it's possible to get everything

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done that needs to be done for Greenland within

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the NATO framework. What President Trump has

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done is he kind of just skipped about 29 steps

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and moved. You know, he put this on the top of

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the international agenda real fast, okay? And

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the good part of that is, you know, if you're

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at the State Department, Department of War, you

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could have spent a long time trying to get meetings

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with Denmark and NATO and work this through the

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process, or you can just have Trump go in and

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bulldoze it, and they're actually negotiating

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now for an agreement. We don't know any of the

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details of this agreement. Remember, Trump threatened

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to put tariffs on just about everybody, Denmark,

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England, you name it. So NATO's fantastic secretary

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-general, Mark Rutte, who he's from the Netherlands.

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He actually used to be their prime minister.

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He's a smart fellow. He has a negotiation underway.

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And Trump has said that that will give the U

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.S. infinite access. So, you know, Dale, it may

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turn out to be a little bit like that British

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base at Akrotiri on Cyprus down in the Mediterranean

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where Cyprus is its own country, but there's

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actually a sovereign British base there. So we'll

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see what comes out of this deal. It is massive

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wheeling and dealing, just like if you had a

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New York real estate developer running foreign

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policy, this is what it would look like. I think

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so. I can't imagine it. I mean, I've heard about,

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I guess it was Iceland more than Greenland, you

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know, as far as tourism is concerned. But, you

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know, I don't want to see. condos going up on,

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you know, the Arctic Ocean. That might be, that's

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going to be a little bit of a stretch. As long

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as they aren't Chinese condos, okay? Well, that's

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true. That's true. I think, you know, I think

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you put it right, you know, that kind of bulldozes

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way in there and because, you know, it keeps...

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He continually seems to upset people by bulldozing

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his way into things. I understand what he's trying

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to do, but I think he kind of must have skipped

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the diplomacy courses that were available that

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maybe you took. Well, I tell you one thing. I

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think behind all this is he has received, I'm

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sure, some pretty scary -looking briefings from

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the Pentagon. looking at the recent Chinese and

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Russian activity there. You know, the Chinese

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put a submarine under the Arctic ice cap. They

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don't have, they have nuclear submarine, they

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have nuclear -powered nuclear -armed submarines,

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but they aren't as big a submarine power as Russia,

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and certainly not as we are. So for them to be

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up there prowling around, very interesting. There

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is a lot of melting sea ice, and that has changed

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the commercial routes. China ran a ship from

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China up across the Arctic Circle and down into

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Great Britain over the summer. So I think Trump

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is looking at briefings saying, oh my gosh, if

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I don't have the outpost of Greenland, the outlook

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from Greenland, and if China gets control of

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that, we're toast. I mean, I think they really

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are some... Pretty scary briefings at that level.

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And then when you add in the Space Force piece,

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you know, again, you got to look at it from the

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perspective of your globe. You know, I still

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have my father's globe from the 1920s. And you

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just look at this and you're like, I get it.

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I get it. And then now, but now don't just look

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at the land, but look up to low Earth orbit and

00:19:38.890 --> 00:19:42.019
geosynchronous orbit. where we have Elon Musk

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putting the Starlink satellites, we have Amazon

00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:47.359
putting up a low -Earth orbit constellation,

00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.920
all to do internet broadband. It's kind of the

00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:52.880
new domain. China just said they want to put

00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:55.640
200 ,000 satellites in low -Earth orbit, and

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that's going to take a long time. But you get

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the point. And so, Greenland and Pitufik, because

00:20:01.500 --> 00:20:04.920
of the geometry, let's say, the geometry, is

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really essential for on -orbit management and

00:20:08.220 --> 00:20:11.880
orbital defense. So you just put all that together

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and he's like, that's it. I'm done. We have to

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have Greenland We have to have everything we

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need and I'm gonna go get it done So I think

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that's that's the that the national security

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is really truly is his primary motivation Well,

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you know, I think if you explained it as thoroughly

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as you just did people wouldn't be so upset if

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they understood the background a little bit more

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I know, right? It's just a completely different

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style. But the NATO, the NATO, the top NATO allies,

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there's a group of about nine of them that are

00:20:43.619 --> 00:20:45.279
either up along the archipelago or along the

00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:47.440
Baltics, and they exercise together quite a bit.

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It's just who you think. Norway, Sweden, and

00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:52.160
Finland now. Iceland, of course, which is a really

00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:55.799
important NATO base there. A lot of rotational

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presence. The Baltic republics. They all really

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understand the importance of the high north.

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It's just that people have ignored the Arctic

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for a long time and then get a little bit caught

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up in the climate change. Do you believe or not

00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:10.700
a believer? But you know, that's irrelevant.

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I mean, the sea ice is melting. Low Earth orbit

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is important and they're really scary Russian

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and Chinese missile systems. So that's sort of

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the bottom line on Greenland. We'll see how it

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turns out. I hope it'll be something good for

00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:24.759
the Greenlanders. I don't think we're going to

00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:28.119
be adding Greenland to the United States. flag

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anytime soon, unless they make a terrible mistake

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and let China in, then there will be a U .S.

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flag on Greenland faster than you would believe.

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That's true. That's true. They let China in there.

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That's it. Forget it. Yeah. I mean, so Greenland

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kind of falls in underneath the idea of this

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Golden Dome, correct? Correct. It's all about

00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:49.460
Golden Dome. And you hear Golden Dome talked

00:21:49.460 --> 00:21:52.890
about a lot in the press. We know that the Pentagon

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has moved out quite smartly they've started to

00:21:55.470 --> 00:21:58.049
open up some contract vehicles for Golden Dome

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and Just about everybody that you know among

00:22:00.650 --> 00:22:02.990
the big defense companies and the new innovative

00:22:02.990 --> 00:22:05.490
companies are going to be playing a part in this

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What we don't know is exactly what this missile

00:22:08.849 --> 00:22:12.269
shield will look like now I'm going to tell you

00:22:12.269 --> 00:22:15.890
that the the public relations campaign on it

00:22:15.890 --> 00:22:18.509
is that it is to protect the continental united

00:22:18.509 --> 00:22:22.589
states and against uh... obviously russian chinese

00:22:22.589 --> 00:22:26.309
and other rogue missiles north korea and if they

00:22:26.309 --> 00:22:30.009
ever get to that point all of that what exactly

00:22:30.009 --> 00:22:32.250
it will do we have not been informed from the

00:22:32.250 --> 00:22:36.049
pentagon i think top of their priority list will

00:22:36.049 --> 00:22:39.470
actually be the i c b m bases intercontinental

00:22:39.470 --> 00:22:42.109
ballistic missile bases uh... some of the other

00:22:42.109 --> 00:22:44.089
what would have been the old strategic air command

00:22:44.089 --> 00:22:47.140
bases key bomber bases things like that, you're

00:22:47.140 --> 00:22:50.319
going to have to protect that nuclear deterrent,

00:22:50.740 --> 00:22:54.220
have to protect bases like Pitufik first, right?

00:22:54.420 --> 00:22:56.700
Then I think there'll be a great deal more protection.

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You know, because what we have now is a missile

00:22:59.500 --> 00:23:01.720
defense system that's set up for the West Coast

00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:05.660
to intercept what they call rogue missiles, and

00:23:05.660 --> 00:23:08.690
that means one or two or three. Okay, a small

00:23:08.690 --> 00:23:11.390
number. There are interceptors up in Alaska,

00:23:11.609 --> 00:23:14.829
Fort Greely, I think 44 interceptors there. Another

00:23:14.829 --> 00:23:18.049
four down at Vandenberg on the California coast.

00:23:18.470 --> 00:23:20.670
And that system is operational ground -based

00:23:20.670 --> 00:23:22.869
interceptor. It's a fabulous hit -to -kill missile

00:23:22.869 --> 00:23:25.930
system. They can take out incoming intercontinental

00:23:25.930 --> 00:23:28.509
ballistic missiles if they can do them from a

00:23:28.509 --> 00:23:31.549
place like North Korea and take them out in the

00:23:31.549 --> 00:23:37.509
exo atmosphere way up above 65 ,000 feet. But

00:23:37.509 --> 00:23:42.549
the rest of the country is not protected by that

00:23:42.549 --> 00:23:45.990
system. So the main hope for Golden Dome is to

00:23:45.990 --> 00:23:50.190
greatly improve our missile defenses, particularly

00:23:50.190 --> 00:23:52.609
against that type of threat. I think if you go

00:23:52.609 --> 00:23:57.009
back to your analogy of actually a globe, you

00:23:57.009 --> 00:23:59.130
know, you can see that things are much closer

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than most of us realize for sure. You just got

00:24:06.910 --> 00:24:11.470
to go over the North Pole and you're right here.

00:24:12.329 --> 00:24:14.569
That's right. And the other thing about Golden

00:24:14.569 --> 00:24:17.470
Dome is from the whole Cold War on, and you talked

00:24:17.470 --> 00:24:19.430
about the importance of Greenland in World War

00:24:19.430 --> 00:24:22.029
II and of course the early Cold War, we kind

00:24:22.029 --> 00:24:23.809
of knew everything was going to come out of Russia.

00:24:24.170 --> 00:24:27.910
At this point, China and others have this sort

00:24:27.910 --> 00:24:30.670
of fractional orbital system where you can put

00:24:30.670 --> 00:24:33.309
something in orbit and then plunk it down from

00:24:33.309 --> 00:24:35.910
a different direction. meaning that while the

00:24:35.910 --> 00:24:38.750
vast majority would come across that path that

00:24:38.750 --> 00:24:41.009
Greenland watches, there's also a possibility

00:24:41.009 --> 00:24:44.609
now to come up from the south. And so that means

00:24:44.609 --> 00:24:47.890
more surveillance. The good news here is that

00:24:47.890 --> 00:24:50.650
our missile defense technology has improved out

00:24:50.650 --> 00:24:53.710
of all recognition. If anybody's old enough to

00:24:53.710 --> 00:24:56.930
remember Star Wars of the 1980s, well, it was

00:24:56.930 --> 00:25:01.390
a good idea, but the technology really wasn't

00:25:01.390 --> 00:25:05.279
there. Now we have the technology. Three main

00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:08.220
components are the hit -to -kill interceptors

00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:09.960
like we have with the ground -based system, and

00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:12.279
frankly, like we use with our standard missile

00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:16.140
family, the SM -31Bs that hit Iran's missiles

00:25:16.140 --> 00:25:19.500
coming towards Israel back in 2024. Anyway, the

00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:21.400
whole hit -to -kill technology is very, very

00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:24.039
good, so that's part one. Part two is greatly

00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:27.299
improved surveillance of all types, radars, et

00:25:27.299 --> 00:25:30.759
cetera. And then part three is we've got a great

00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:33.799
Space Force constellation now and it's shifting

00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:36.599
away from just a few big satellites that watch

00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.119
for missile warning Shifting down into what they

00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:43.000
call. It's a big long name the proliferated warfighting

00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:46.720
architecture Means a lot of little satellites

00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:49.240
all doing the job that one big satellite used

00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:51.240
to do and that makes it more resilient in case

00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:54.339
of an attack So you put those three pieces together

00:25:54.339 --> 00:25:56.400
and probably some other cool stuff that we don't

00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.640
even know about And you've got the ability to

00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.220
create more of a missile shield over the U .S.

00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:05.220
Of course, I think President Trump thinks a lot

00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:09.579
about the Iron Dome missile shield over Israel.

00:26:09.940 --> 00:26:12.519
It's a different tactical problem, but he'd like

00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:15.279
to see a shield that's more effective, and we

00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:17.920
do need it to protect at least our critical infrastructure.

00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:20.500
Yeah, I can understand him, but that Iron Dome

00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:24.710
is, you know, much smaller. than this golden

00:26:24.710 --> 00:26:28.069
dome is going to have to be. While you were talking,

00:26:28.170 --> 00:26:32.089
and I don't want to upset or put any fear in

00:26:32.089 --> 00:26:34.109
anybody, but with all these satellites roaming

00:26:34.109 --> 00:26:38.990
around up there, are there satellites now that

00:26:38.990 --> 00:26:43.190
have the ability to rain terror down on everybody?

00:26:44.210 --> 00:26:47.490
Well, the first thing that satellites have the

00:26:47.490 --> 00:26:51.529
ability to do is to rain terror on each other.

00:26:52.940 --> 00:26:57.900
So both China and Russia have tested orbital

00:26:57.900 --> 00:26:59.900
maneuvers with satellites, and that's basically,

00:26:59.940 --> 00:27:02.519
it's kind of like bumper cars, where one satellite

00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:04.160
goes up to another one, you know, they're pretty

00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:06.920
fragile, and bumps it out of orbit or bumps it

00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:09.859
into a graveyard orbit or puts out a grappling

00:27:09.859 --> 00:27:14.799
hook or laser blinds its optics or spray paints

00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:19.519
it. And so there's a real ability of one satellite

00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:22.779
to get in the way of another. And that is, we

00:27:22.779 --> 00:27:25.240
watch that through this mission called Space

00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.440
Domain Awareness that Pidufik and some other

00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:30.240
bases are involved in. It's a big part of what

00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.640
the Space Force does. And that applies to military

00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:36.240
satellites, but also to commercial satellites.

00:27:36.299 --> 00:27:40.420
And you know how dependent we are on GPS and

00:27:40.420 --> 00:27:42.920
increasingly on the low Earth orbit satellites

00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:47.200
like those that host Starlink. So we actually

00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.039
have commercial companies that work with our

00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:51.339
Space Force to, you know, keep everything in

00:27:51.339 --> 00:27:55.440
order. But there is that potential. And is there,

00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:57.599
you know, China has a space plane. It's been

00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:01.200
up three times. We don't know what it does. But

00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:03.420
anything that you launch from orbit is going

00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:07.039
to come down at a very, very high ballistic multiple

00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:10.759
mock rate. So is there a threat? Yeah. And it

00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:12.960
means we have to be aware of what's going on

00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.400
up there. Now we are still number one in space.

00:28:15.740 --> 00:28:18.569
Absolutely. And I think there are a lot of elements

00:28:18.569 --> 00:28:21.950
to it that the Space Force Guardians, they do

00:28:21.950 --> 00:28:24.250
the mission, but they do not talk about it. But

00:28:24.250 --> 00:28:26.910
I can assure you, we are tops in that. But it's

00:28:26.910 --> 00:28:28.930
an area that we have to defend just as carefully

00:28:28.930 --> 00:28:32.450
as anything else these days. Actually, you know,

00:28:32.490 --> 00:28:34.869
because I'm thinking of the, you know, drones

00:28:34.869 --> 00:28:36.970
have gotten bigger and bigger and fly higher

00:28:36.970 --> 00:28:41.089
and higher and farther and farther. And it doesn't

00:28:41.089 --> 00:28:43.829
take much of an imagination to say, OK, that's

00:28:43.829 --> 00:28:46.609
next. Right, and you know, you think of like

00:28:46.609 --> 00:28:50.390
our biggest drone is still the Global Hawk, which

00:28:50.390 --> 00:28:53.809
could fly for more than 24 hours, and it is a

00:28:53.809 --> 00:28:57.450
surveillance only platform. It is not armed.

00:28:58.150 --> 00:28:59.509
It's a very, very, very effective surveillance

00:28:59.509 --> 00:29:02.269
platform. But when you think about something

00:29:02.269 --> 00:29:06.250
like a space plane, then you have the ability

00:29:06.250 --> 00:29:09.380
to conduct operations from orbit. And it's something

00:29:09.380 --> 00:29:11.420
that we didn't used to think about much, but

00:29:11.420 --> 00:29:13.339
it's definitely something we have to think about

00:29:13.339 --> 00:29:16.200
now, again, so that we can deter the Russians

00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:18.380
and the Chinese and anybody else from trying

00:29:18.380 --> 00:29:23.900
to get into that. We are talking with our good

00:29:23.900 --> 00:29:25.440
friend, Rebecca Grant here. We're going to take

00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.700
a quick break and listen to our Medal of Honor

00:29:28.700 --> 00:29:32.599
segment for today. It's about a soldier from

00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:36.089
World War II. at the Battle of the Bulge. So

00:29:36.089 --> 00:29:38.329
you're listening to Veterans Radio and we'll

00:29:38.329 --> 00:29:42.130
be right back. The Medal of Honor is the highest

00:29:42.130 --> 00:29:44.470
award for valor in combat given a member of the

00:29:44.470 --> 00:29:46.690
Armed Forces of the United States. There have

00:29:46.690 --> 00:29:49.990
been over 3 ,400 recipients of the nation's highest

00:29:49.990 --> 00:29:53.190
award. This is one of them. First Lieutenant

00:29:53.190 --> 00:29:55.730
John Fox called in artillery fire on his own

00:29:55.730 --> 00:30:00.819
position. Details after this. If you have a VA

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Their number again, 1 -800 -693 -4800. On Christmas

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night in 1944, enemy soldiers in civilian clothes

00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:22.680
gradually infiltrated the town Fox and his men

00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.000
were in, and by early morning, the town was largely

00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.559
in hostile hands. An organized attack by uniformed

00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:33.799
German units began at 4 a .m. Being greatly outnumbered,

00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.079
most of the American forces were forced to withdraw

00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.940
from the town, but Fox and other members of his

00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:41.779
observer party voluntarily remained on the second

00:30:41.779 --> 00:30:44.240
floor of a house to direct defensive artillery

00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:47.740
fire. Fox reported the Germans were in the streets

00:30:47.740 --> 00:30:50.460
and attacking in strength. He then called for

00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:52.880
defensive artillery fire to slow the enemy advance.

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As the Germans continued to press the attack

00:30:56.190 --> 00:30:58.910
towards the area that Fox occupied, he adjusted

00:30:58.910 --> 00:31:02.369
the artillery fire closer to his position. Finally,

00:31:02.809 --> 00:31:04.589
he was warned that the next adjustment would

00:31:04.589 --> 00:31:06.789
bring the deadly artillery right on top of his

00:31:06.789 --> 00:31:10.569
position. After acknowledging the danger, Lieutenant

00:31:10.569 --> 00:31:13.230
Fox insisted that the last adjustment be fired

00:31:13.230 --> 00:31:15.990
as this was the only way to defeat the attacking

00:31:15.990 --> 00:31:19.269
soldiers. Later, when a counter -attack retook

00:31:19.269 --> 00:31:21.920
the position from the Germans, Lieutenant Fox's

00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.339
body was found with the bodies of approximately

00:31:24.339 --> 00:31:27.400
100 German soldiers. The Medal of Honor series

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the U .S. Department of Veterans Affairs. And

00:32:04.140 --> 00:32:06.839
we are back here on Veterans Radio. And after

00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:08.940
listening to that little segment, I was just

00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:11.579
thinking about veterans. And I'm thinking about

00:32:11.579 --> 00:32:16.829
this generation of veterans. They have got so

00:32:16.829 --> 00:32:21.130
much more sophisticated weaponry and everything

00:32:21.130 --> 00:32:24.210
else than we ever heard of or ever even thought

00:32:24.210 --> 00:32:28.150
about during World War II or when I was in the

00:32:28.150 --> 00:32:31.289
service of Vietnam. It is like science fiction.

00:32:32.250 --> 00:32:34.809
So we are talking with Dr. Rebecca Grant here.

00:32:34.950 --> 00:32:37.650
We just talked a little bit about the Golden

00:32:37.650 --> 00:32:40.990
Dome and Greenland and everything else that's

00:32:40.990 --> 00:32:43.849
going on over there. So let's take a look at

00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:47.720
Ukraine because this Ukraine kind of has fallen

00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:52.079
into the background a little bit right now Well,

00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.140
it's not making the headlines but there is a

00:32:55.140 --> 00:33:00.839
lot going on And the U .S., Russia, and Ukraine

00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:03.839
just wrapped up three days of talks in the UAE

00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.779
over the United Arab Emirates. Prior to that,

00:33:06.940 --> 00:33:10.019
Trump's negotiators, special envoy, Ambassador

00:33:10.019 --> 00:33:12.720
Steve Witkoff, who is a New York real estate

00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.160
friend of Trump's from way back, who's been just

00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.819
a really effective, super effective diplomat.

00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:20.039
He helped get the Gaza ceasefire. And then, of

00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:21.839
course, Trump's son -in -law, Jerry Kushner,

00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:25.119
are working as a duo. And both Kushner and Witkoff

00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.769
were in Moscow. few days ago talking with Putin

00:33:27.769 --> 00:33:30.849
yet again. And then they all moved in. For the

00:33:30.849 --> 00:33:33.029
first time, there were actually three -way talks

00:33:33.029 --> 00:33:35.890
with representatives from the U .S., Russia,

00:33:36.210 --> 00:33:40.349
and Ukraine. They're talking in the UAE. Now,

00:33:40.750 --> 00:33:43.990
no ceasefire came out of this, but all sides,

00:33:44.470 --> 00:33:47.910
including Zelensky, reported that they felt it

00:33:47.910 --> 00:33:50.210
had been productive and they had made progress.

00:33:50.539 --> 00:33:54.000
We're getting almost no indication of what the

00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:57.380
substance of these talks are, but the word is

00:33:57.380 --> 00:34:00.859
that they're still pivoting around the final

00:34:00.859 --> 00:34:06.519
terrain map. And here, the problem is Putin,

00:34:07.099 --> 00:34:08.980
well, Putin is the problem everywhere, Putin

00:34:08.980 --> 00:34:11.159
and his relationship with China, but to be specific,

00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:16.360
you know, Putin has been asking for for Ukraine's

00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.260
forces to basically pull back out of the Donbas.

00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.639
And as I know your listeners know, Russia has

00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.619
not taken all of the Donbas. After all this time,

00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:28.300
they are making inch by inch progress, but Ukraine

00:34:28.300 --> 00:34:30.639
is pretty much holding them on the ground. So

00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:34.400
it's a really bitter thing to have to have Ukraine's

00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:38.099
forces pull back. It may be, however, that Zelensky

00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:42.119
is agreeable to that in principle. And they're

00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.420
going to use sort of a legal dodge by saying

00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:49.940
the borders haven't changed in law de jure, but

00:34:49.940 --> 00:34:54.420
the borders will change de facto. OK. So I would

00:34:54.420 --> 00:34:56.380
like to see every last Russian out of Ukraine,

00:34:56.420 --> 00:34:59.000
but most likely Russia will hold some territory

00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:02.199
in the Donbass. The key is Zelensky, understandably,

00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.579
does not want to pull back the forces before

00:35:05.579 --> 00:35:10.099
a ceasefire. Right. On top of that. terrible

00:35:10.099 --> 00:35:13.820
attacks continue, including during the talks

00:35:13.820 --> 00:35:17.199
in the UAE. Putin was attacking, you know, 375

00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.260
drones, about 20 missiles mixed in, which is

00:35:21.260 --> 00:35:24.039
their standard tactics. It makes it harder for

00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:26.079
the air defenses, although Ukraine's air defenses

00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:29.519
have done a tremendous job. But the last barrage

00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:33.019
had six Iskanders. That's a dual nuclear conventional

00:35:33.019 --> 00:35:36.260
capable intermediate -range missile. Two of the

00:35:36.260 --> 00:35:38.860
Zircon hypersonics, 12 cruise missiles, three

00:35:38.860 --> 00:35:41.480
of sentinels, some from the S -300 air defense

00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:44.139
system, all mixed in with these drones and headed

00:35:44.139 --> 00:35:48.960
towards basically Kharkiv, Kiev, and big attacks

00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:52.059
on Ukraine's energy grid. You know, we often

00:35:52.059 --> 00:35:55.400
hear about the nuclear power plant at Zaporizhzhia,

00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.400
which is Europe's biggest plant. It has been

00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:00.900
offline for quite a while. It's in Russian hands.

00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:03.920
There are a couple of other nuclear plants out

00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.539
towards the south and the west in Ukraine, but

00:36:06.539 --> 00:36:09.059
the Russians have been, this is so awful, they

00:36:09.059 --> 00:36:12.699
have been targeting the backup power, you know,

00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.940
the generator literally that goes into the new

00:36:15.940 --> 00:36:18.579
plant so you can restart it if you need to or

00:36:18.579 --> 00:36:21.440
you can pump cold water to keep the reactor at

00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.599
the right temperature. So these horrible attacks

00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:28.590
continue. So, actually, there is a lot going

00:36:28.590 --> 00:36:30.809
on in Ukraine. We just aren't hearing as much

00:36:30.809 --> 00:36:33.250
about it just at the moment. And I think, in

00:36:33.250 --> 00:36:39.550
a way, this may be a good sign. My view is that

00:36:39.550 --> 00:36:42.590
Trump is not going to give up until he gets this

00:36:42.590 --> 00:36:45.949
war settled. And he's gotten Zelensky being agreed

00:36:45.949 --> 00:36:48.750
to really just about everything. The reason is,

00:36:49.090 --> 00:36:52.599
at the end of this, there is an excellent economic

00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.360
opportunity for Ukraine, access to the EU, which

00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.500
they've wanted for so long to be in that common

00:36:57.500 --> 00:37:00.860
market, strong security guarantees. And believe

00:37:00.860 --> 00:37:03.659
me, Dale, that will include a lot of equipment,

00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:06.480
a lot of American equipment, Abrams tanks, air

00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.440
defenses, air power, all up and down through

00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:11.699
Europe to make sure that's there. So there's

00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:14.699
a way for Ukraine to really thrive if they can

00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:16.719
get a ceasefire. And I think that's why Zelensky

00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.300
has continued to stay in this process. My heart

00:37:19.300 --> 00:37:21.760
goes out to all of them. I hope that They're

00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.699
getting close. The trouble, of course, is Putin

00:37:23.699 --> 00:37:27.139
loves the war. He's he's nuts. And China backs

00:37:27.139 --> 00:37:32.400
him up. And he's not he's not trustworthy. He

00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:35.179
has not kept his word on anything. And he hasn't

00:37:35.179 --> 00:37:38.579
even actually you're quite right. He hasn't even

00:37:38.579 --> 00:37:42.820
agreed to anything. They get close and they'll

00:37:42.820 --> 00:37:45.119
talk about this and that. And they have made

00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.909
some progress. But you know, Trump a year ago

00:37:48.909 --> 00:37:51.550
thought that if he could just find the right

00:37:51.550 --> 00:37:55.130
economic deal, you know, offer investment and

00:37:55.130 --> 00:37:57.909
take up some of the sanctions off Russia, that

00:37:57.909 --> 00:38:00.389
any reasonable person would agree to ceasefire.

00:38:00.409 --> 00:38:03.369
Well, and that's true, but Putin is not reasonable.

00:38:03.769 --> 00:38:07.489
He and he alone, Putin and Putin alone, is the

00:38:07.489 --> 00:38:09.730
reason for this terrible situation in Ukraine.

00:38:10.449 --> 00:38:13.190
He's got Xi Jinping of China backing him up and

00:38:13.190 --> 00:38:16.460
with those oil purchases and China supplying

00:38:16.460 --> 00:38:19.260
some defense electronics components into Russia.

00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.480
And of course, Iran set up a whole factory in

00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.639
Russia to make those shot head drones. With all

00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.059
that going, you know, Putin just keeps it going.

00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.920
He likes the war. He has a taste for the war.

00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.300
And it's all nonsense. It's not NATO expansion.

00:38:36.500 --> 00:38:38.900
It is nothing other than Putin's ambition that

00:38:38.900 --> 00:38:42.619
has driven that war. It's just horrible. It is.

00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:49.320
I can't imagine trying to even talk with the

00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.420
guy and try to compromise on anything, you know,

00:38:52.420 --> 00:38:55.760
because he only doesn't do it. So you mentioned

00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:59.119
an important addition here, and that was China

00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.619
getting, you know, being involved in supporting

00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:05.239
Russia and Ukraine. So China's got their little

00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.440
tentacles out all over the world. Let's talk

00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.199
a little bit about what's going on with them.

00:39:10.210 --> 00:39:13.010
Tentacles all over the world is exactly right.

00:39:13.190 --> 00:39:16.829
Although a couple of those got singed, and here

00:39:16.829 --> 00:39:21.469
I'm talking Venezuela, of course. It seems now,

00:39:21.510 --> 00:39:24.670
it's been a few weeks since that stunning abduction

00:39:24.670 --> 00:39:28.110
of an apprehension of Nicolas Maduro. But you

00:39:28.110 --> 00:39:31.949
know what Maduro did the last night that he was

00:39:31.949 --> 00:39:36.230
in Venezuela? He hosted a cocktail party. for

00:39:36.230 --> 00:39:39.530
a special Chinese delegation that had been sent

00:39:39.530 --> 00:39:42.690
by China's president and dictator Xi Jinping,

00:39:42.690 --> 00:39:45.949
you know, to go see what's going on. China had

00:39:45.949 --> 00:39:50.750
about $67 billion invested in Venezuela. They

00:39:50.750 --> 00:39:53.329
bought a lot of Venezuela's oil. And then, of

00:39:53.329 --> 00:39:58.590
course, China has built road projects all over

00:39:58.590 --> 00:40:02.130
Central and South America. So in that sense,

00:40:02.309 --> 00:40:05.949
the apprehension of Maduro was a blow to China

00:40:05.949 --> 00:40:08.550
as well. I mean, Maduro was sort of a pawn of

00:40:08.550 --> 00:40:12.670
China and of Russia in some ways. And this is

00:40:12.670 --> 00:40:14.550
a blow to him. And I think it's another case

00:40:14.550 --> 00:40:16.829
of President Trump, just like with Greenland,

00:40:17.010 --> 00:40:19.289
putting a big emphasis on Western hemisphere

00:40:19.289 --> 00:40:22.190
security. And that is really all about trying

00:40:22.190 --> 00:40:26.190
to make sure that China does not gain more inroads

00:40:26.190 --> 00:40:28.269
here in our own hemisphere. And that's really

00:40:28.269 --> 00:40:31.489
important over the next couple of decades. Well,

00:40:31.489 --> 00:40:36.010
yeah, it certainly is. I don't know. Have they

00:40:36.010 --> 00:40:39.730
actually moved China out of the Panama Canal

00:40:39.730 --> 00:40:42.610
area? That's right. That was one of Secretary

00:40:42.610 --> 00:40:46.530
of State Marco Rubio's first moves was to get

00:40:46.530 --> 00:40:50.909
Panama to agree not to renew their belt and road.

00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:54.920
deals with China and there were two Chinese companies

00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:58.139
that were controlling access to the Panama Canal

00:40:58.139 --> 00:41:01.280
and Those contracts have been changed. Yeah Rubio

00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:03.599
managed to pull that off like within the second

00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:06.380
week of the administration about a year ago That's

00:41:06.380 --> 00:41:08.460
been very positive. But you know, like we were

00:41:08.460 --> 00:41:12.099
talking earlier about World War two and Greenland

00:41:12.099 --> 00:41:14.829
and how we used to ferry bombers and fighters

00:41:14.829 --> 00:41:17.809
over there. And you just realize that the Western

00:41:17.809 --> 00:41:20.369
Hemisphere just looks so different. Even our

00:41:20.369 --> 00:41:22.289
leaders in World War II had to go and make sure

00:41:22.289 --> 00:41:25.769
that the Nazis couldn't get into South America

00:41:25.769 --> 00:41:28.150
and Central America. Heck, the Germans were on

00:41:28.150 --> 00:41:30.630
Greenland. Not very many of them, but they were

00:41:30.630 --> 00:41:34.110
bombed and off they went. So just as we once

00:41:34.110 --> 00:41:36.809
secured the Western Hemisphere against Hitler

00:41:36.809 --> 00:41:40.150
and Nazi Germany, Now we are trying to secure

00:41:40.150 --> 00:41:42.690
it against the inroads of China. It's just a

00:41:42.690 --> 00:41:46.090
much more complicated task because of the economic

00:41:46.090 --> 00:41:48.429
power of China and because they've been after

00:41:48.429 --> 00:41:51.960
these deals for so long. There's a lot of things

00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:55.039
going on and we don't have enough time to cover

00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:58.900
all of them But I let's get into to in the last

00:41:58.900 --> 00:42:01.599
portion here Let's talk about some new US technology

00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.340
because we have the Detroit Auto Show going on

00:42:04.340 --> 00:42:06.900
right now and I I did see things on the news

00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:09.539
about a new Abrams tank that they were only rolling

00:42:09.539 --> 00:42:14.230
through the Huntington Center Yes, this is very

00:42:14.230 --> 00:42:16.670
exciting news that I've got to tell you Army

00:42:16.670 --> 00:42:20.250
Chief of Staff General George and the Army Secretary

00:42:20.250 --> 00:42:24.510
Dan Driscoll are a really effective team. Driscoll's

00:42:24.510 --> 00:42:26.289
served in the Army, but he's a very young man.

00:42:26.349 --> 00:42:29.730
I think he may be just 39 or 40 years old. He

00:42:29.730 --> 00:42:33.349
came into this job from the business world, and

00:42:33.349 --> 00:42:35.070
he has been very effective. One of the first

00:42:35.070 --> 00:42:37.550
things they did was they cut some programs. They

00:42:37.550 --> 00:42:40.989
decided to accelerate a few other programs, and

00:42:40.989 --> 00:42:44.630
the Abrams Tank upgrade is one of those programs.

00:42:45.309 --> 00:42:48.840
So rolled out at the Detroit Auto Show. is the

00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.579
new Abrams. Now, there are a lot of variants

00:42:51.579 --> 00:42:54.219
of Abrams. I know your listeners know all about

00:42:54.219 --> 00:42:56.559
this. Tank's been around a long time. So just

00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:58.679
bear with me. This one's going to be called the

00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:05.019
M1E3E for the engineering change. So this is

00:43:05.019 --> 00:43:08.400
quite an upgrade. And one of the most important

00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:12.920
pieces is that this is going to be a hybrid electric

00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:16.719
tank. Can you believe it? the long extension

00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:20.179
cord. Well, it's interesting. They are indeed

00:43:20.179 --> 00:43:22.579
looking for a battery, but they're replacing,

00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.119
I guess the old Ravens, they're replacing that

00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:26.920
engine. They'll have a Caterpillar diesel engine,

00:43:27.420 --> 00:43:30.139
which a good thing there is the Caterpillar can

00:43:30.139 --> 00:43:32.460
be serviced all around the world. So that will

00:43:32.460 --> 00:43:34.739
be very good. They're looking for a battery,

00:43:34.980 --> 00:43:37.699
but it will have a hybrid electric drivetrain

00:43:37.699 --> 00:43:41.219
as well. And so what the army says is that is

00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:45.860
one going to make the tank lighter, about 20

00:43:45.860 --> 00:43:48.639
to 30 % lighter. And you know that that current

00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:51.119
Abrams, we're talking about 80 tons. So if we

00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.820
can go down, I mean, 80 tons, right? Down to

00:43:53.820 --> 00:43:57.539
60 tons would be great. And then they're looking

00:43:57.539 --> 00:43:59.579
for some fuel efficiency, which again, I know

00:43:59.579 --> 00:44:02.139
your listeners understand that that's a really

00:44:02.139 --> 00:44:05.179
major tactical advantage. The Army's talking

00:44:05.179 --> 00:44:07.920
about fuel efficiency improvements for the M1E3

00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:11.590
of up to 50%. So that's great, but I guess all

00:44:11.590 --> 00:44:14.909
the really cool stuff is not only under the hood

00:44:14.909 --> 00:44:18.750
But down in the cockpit and that is the software

00:44:18.750 --> 00:44:21.869
a new system like this is usually built around

00:44:21.869 --> 00:44:25.909
almost a plug -and -play open systems architecture

00:44:25.909 --> 00:44:30.050
that Soldiers now and in the future can use this

00:44:30.050 --> 00:44:33.449
to install new apps and upgrade capabilities

00:44:33.449 --> 00:44:37.309
without having to go through all the rigorous

00:44:37.309 --> 00:44:40.400
and extensive testing You plug it in at a point

00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.539
in the vehicle software where all the things

00:44:43.539 --> 00:44:45.679
that make the vehicle run are protected, but

00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:48.300
the new app can come in. So the Army thinks this

00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:49.960
is going to have just some great connectivity.

00:44:50.460 --> 00:44:53.659
And it will have a crew of three, but they are

00:44:53.659 --> 00:44:55.639
not alone. They're going to be very connected

00:44:55.639 --> 00:45:00.039
to a far more networked battle space and still

00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.699
have the massive, fantastic firepower that the

00:45:02.699 --> 00:45:04.960
Abrams is known for. And I think the Army is

00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.460
taking very careful notes. from the Ukraine war,

00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:13.159
looking at anti -drone systems, drone protection,

00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:15.719
and all the other things. Because the Army says,

00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:17.820
look, we've got the best tanks now. We want to

00:45:17.820 --> 00:45:20.079
have the best tanks in 2030, the best tanks in

00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.119
2040. We always want the American Abrams to be

00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:28.219
the best tank. Right. Absolutely. Do you know

00:45:28.219 --> 00:45:30.539
anything about Russia developing new tanks or

00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:33.739
China that are comparable at all? Well, you know,

00:45:33.820 --> 00:45:37.000
Russia is doing a lot of manufacturing, but they

00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:40.980
aren't able to innovate in the same way. They've

00:45:40.980 --> 00:45:44.659
lost thousands of tanks in Ukraine, and yet they

00:45:44.659 --> 00:45:48.719
are still able to produce. But this is going

00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:51.480
to be just far and away an improvement. And you

00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.260
know why this is important? You still really

00:45:54.260 --> 00:45:57.980
need the tank in Europe. You know, the Europeans

00:45:57.980 --> 00:46:00.179
are scared to death of Putin, understandably.

00:46:00.590 --> 00:46:04.530
And when you look at the key points in the Baltics,

00:46:05.789 --> 00:46:09.550
the gap around Kaliningrad, the Slovakia gap,

00:46:10.389 --> 00:46:12.650
you know, if you're Romania, if you're Poland

00:46:12.650 --> 00:46:14.869
and you're going to look at Russia for the next

00:46:14.869 --> 00:46:17.030
several generations, knowing what they've done

00:46:17.030 --> 00:46:19.730
in Ukraine, you want a lot of tanks. And then

00:46:19.900 --> 00:46:22.679
Dale, when we get a ceasefire in Ukraine, you're

00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:26.340
looking at an 800 mile front to defend. And that

00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:29.019
is going to, again, require tanks, not necessarily

00:46:29.019 --> 00:46:30.739
U .S. tanks. I mean, we have a lot of U .S. tanks

00:46:30.739 --> 00:46:33.239
in Poland, as well as Poland buying their own,

00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:37.519
and Romania too. But Ukraine is going to need

00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.619
advanced tanks so that there is never a possibility

00:46:40.619 --> 00:46:44.460
for Putin to change his mind and go back in.

00:46:44.619 --> 00:46:47.599
Right. Whoever the next guy is. Or whoever the

00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:50.000
next guy is exactly it's gonna be a generational

00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:53.039
defense And while you've got to have the whole

00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:56.119
joint force air power very key to this to missile

00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:59.380
defense But in the end it really is the tanks

00:46:59.380 --> 00:47:02.619
that are able to deter The taking of territory

00:47:02.619 --> 00:47:05.260
and we are gonna see top -line tanks in NATO

00:47:05.260 --> 00:47:08.940
like this m1e3 I think for a very long time,

00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:11.019
so I'm glad to see it rolling out the cool thing

00:47:11.019 --> 00:47:12.960
about it, too They are actually going to try

00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.159
to accelerate this program and deliver it five

00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:18.860
years early. Yes, five years early. The Army

00:47:18.860 --> 00:47:20.880
is really ambitious. They're doing this with

00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.679
the MV -75 as well, which is their future long

00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:26.420
range assault aircraft. It's the tilt rotor.

00:47:26.780 --> 00:47:28.260
They're going to have that delivered a little

00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:30.420
bit early and they want to have the Abrams come

00:47:30.420 --> 00:47:35.579
early as well. Well, let's talk about President

00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:41.980
Trump's battleships. uh... right here uh... i

00:47:41.980 --> 00:47:44.420
think the uh... one of the navy surface warfare

00:47:44.420 --> 00:47:47.219
admirals put it really well what two weeks ago

00:47:47.219 --> 00:47:50.159
when he said well i never thought i would be

00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:54.320
tasked to build a battleship but sure enough

00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:56.780
president ron made this announcement and it he

00:47:56.780 --> 00:47:59.400
says is going to be called the trump class that

00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:04.000
will see will see so what There is, he's got

00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.280
the Navy and the shipbuilders working on actually

00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.719
a whole golden fleet. So there are a lot of other

00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:11.900
things. Of course, we're getting our nuclear

00:48:11.900 --> 00:48:14.400
-powered aircraft carriers. There will be a Navy

00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:18.039
frigate, which is a smaller type of surface combatant.

00:48:18.380 --> 00:48:20.840
They canceled one program and started another

00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.699
one. There will be some unmanned surface vessels

00:48:23.699 --> 00:48:25.539
for the Navy as well. They have some already.

00:48:25.539 --> 00:48:28.360
There will be more. But the pièce de résistance

00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.380
is the battleship. You really have to think of

00:48:30.380 --> 00:48:35.099
it as like our current fantastic DDG -51 Arleigh

00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:37.940
Burke class destroyers, but three times bigger.

00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:40.579
Why would you want that? Well, it's simple. It's

00:48:40.579 --> 00:48:45.360
to carry more missiles and more armament in those

00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:48.380
vertical launch tubes. They want to have some

00:48:48.380 --> 00:48:50.880
hypersonic capable, well, all missiles are hypersonic

00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:52.860
in certain flight profiles, but they want some

00:48:52.860 --> 00:48:54.980
new hypersonic missiles. And I gotta tell you

00:48:54.980 --> 00:48:58.340
something, they're very big. So you need, they're

00:48:58.340 --> 00:49:02.519
big. They're big, okay. You need the space and

00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:05.539
they want to have more missile tubes present

00:49:05.539 --> 00:49:09.719
in an area like Indo -Pacom. And that's the initiative

00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:12.860
behind the battleship. But this is like a clean

00:49:12.860 --> 00:49:16.250
sheet, new start. They will... They will take

00:49:16.250 --> 00:49:18.710
the research they were doing on the next destroyer

00:49:18.710 --> 00:49:21.909
class called DDGX, of course, experimental research

00:49:21.909 --> 00:49:23.969
there to see what the new destroyer could look

00:49:23.969 --> 00:49:26.429
like. They'll take that and run with it for the

00:49:26.429 --> 00:49:28.610
battleship. We're still waiting to see what costs

00:49:28.610 --> 00:49:30.550
might look like. But you know what's driving

00:49:30.550 --> 00:49:33.690
all of this, Dale, is the president has said

00:49:33.690 --> 00:49:36.789
that the defense budget next year will go from

00:49:36.789 --> 00:49:41.710
about 900 billion this year, 897 billion, something

00:49:41.710 --> 00:49:46.940
like that. It's going to be 1 .5. trillion dollars.

00:49:47.300 --> 00:49:52.239
That's a lot of dollars. That's the bill to pay.

00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:53.719
And you think, well, Congress isn't going to

00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:55.820
go for this. And then look back, it's actually

00:49:55.820 --> 00:49:58.559
Congress's idea. Senator Roger Wicker leading

00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:00.719
the way on shipbuilding and several others as

00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.420
well. When you look at the threats around the

00:50:02.420 --> 00:50:05.179
world, you know, this is Trump thinking big again,

00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:09.420
but that it's this possible $1 .5 trillion defense

00:50:09.420 --> 00:50:13.340
budget. that could be driving the battleship,

00:50:13.659 --> 00:50:16.619
the acceleration of the Abrams tank, and maybe

00:50:16.619 --> 00:50:18.840
some more B -21 bombers, which that's rolling

00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:20.980
off the line now, and that program's doing very

00:50:20.980 --> 00:50:24.440
well too. But that is just what the Trump administration

00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:26.659
thinks is the money that we need to put in at

00:50:26.659 --> 00:50:29.679
this point, given the global threats from China

00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:35.480
and Russia and others. Wow, that's a lot. We

00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:40.260
run out of time again, almost. I want to thank

00:50:40.260 --> 00:50:43.000
you so much, Dr. Grant, for being on the program.

00:50:43.420 --> 00:50:45.320
We've got a couple of minutes left. Is there

00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.260
any one last little message you'd like to leave

00:50:47.260 --> 00:50:50.599
our audience? Well, I, again, just really want

00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:52.579
to thank all our service members who are out

00:50:52.579 --> 00:50:55.340
there today. We've been keeping a careful eye

00:50:55.340 --> 00:50:59.199
on Iran as we watch the USS Abraham Lincoln being

00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.079
called from Indo -Pacom back into the Middle

00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:05.639
East. We've seen airstrikes against ISIS targets.

00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:08.760
There's a lot brewing there and around the world.

00:51:09.460 --> 00:51:11.320
And America would not be a superpower, would

00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:13.519
not be the leader that we are today without the

00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:15.119
service of our men and women in uniform. And

00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:16.980
I just want to say thank you to those who have

00:51:16.980 --> 00:51:20.340
served and those who are serving right now. That's

00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:22.639
a good line to end on. Well, thank you again

00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:24.260
so much. We're going to have to have you back

00:51:24.260 --> 00:51:25.659
on a little bit sooner. Have you thought about

00:51:25.659 --> 00:51:30.159
going into podcasting yourself? Well, hey, there's

00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:33.599
something to think about stronger in 2026. There

00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:38.420
you go. If you're not running for office, I'll

00:51:38.420 --> 00:51:41.119
definitely take podcasting over politics. Yeah,

00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:45.500
I know. I know what you mean. I know what you

00:51:45.500 --> 00:51:48.340
mean. All right. Well, that was Dr. Rebecca Grant.

00:51:49.619 --> 00:51:52.300
You know, she's our national security expert.

00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:55.000
And, you know, if you want to know what's going

00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:57.929
on, you can read more. about Dr. Grant by going

00:51:57.929 --> 00:52:02.809
to the Lexington Institute's website. She has

00:52:02.809 --> 00:52:06.750
published quite a few articles on there. We'll

00:52:06.750 --> 00:52:09.289
kind of, you know, recap what we talked about

00:52:09.289 --> 00:52:11.190
today, but I think that they're really interesting.

00:52:11.289 --> 00:52:14.530
I read some of them yesterday and today. In addition

00:52:14.530 --> 00:52:16.789
to being a great guest on Veterans Radio, she's

00:52:16.789 --> 00:52:19.289
also a really good writer. So I would encourage

00:52:19.289 --> 00:52:24.090
you to go to the Lexington Institute's website

00:52:24.090 --> 00:52:27.349
and check them out. There's a lot of good info

00:52:27.349 --> 00:52:31.070
there. I lean more to the left than I do to the

00:52:31.070 --> 00:52:33.110
right, but I'm learning a whole lot. It makes

00:52:33.110 --> 00:52:35.730
a whole lot more sense when the information that

00:52:35.730 --> 00:52:41.389
you get is trustworthy and that you know there's

00:52:41.389 --> 00:52:44.250
no partisan things behind it. I think that's

00:52:44.250 --> 00:52:48.590
what's a problem right now, to put it that way.

00:52:49.090 --> 00:52:52.210
So we are going to go out on a kind of a different

00:52:52.210 --> 00:52:57.440
song today. With everything that's going on in

00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.420
America right now, I just, you know, God bless

00:53:01.420 --> 00:53:03.900
America is my favorite song, but I'm going to

00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:07.739
go out today on Woody Guthrie's This Land is

00:53:07.739 --> 00:53:10.420
Your Land, because I want everybody to think

00:53:10.420 --> 00:53:13.139
about, before we start getting all flustered

00:53:13.139 --> 00:53:16.219
and, you know, just kind of going at each other

00:53:16.219 --> 00:53:19.179
without thinking about it, I think it's important

00:53:19.179 --> 00:53:23.260
that we sit back and, you know, figure out a

00:53:23.260 --> 00:53:27.820
way that we can all Talk about some things because

00:53:27.820 --> 00:53:29.599
there's a lot of things going on out there that

00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:33.880
we have to be able to discuss without You know

00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:36.519
without just getting in each other's faces a

00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.880
little compromise a little understanding a little

00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:42.340
empathy I think would be very helpful to you

00:53:42.340 --> 00:53:45.760
know de -escalate some of the things that are

00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:51.559
going on across the country and It's very difficult

00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:54.159
not to react to some of the things that we're

00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:58.050
seeing on you know, on various television stations

00:53:58.050 --> 00:54:01.730
across country in various areas because we all

00:54:01.730 --> 00:54:04.489
know some people that live in those areas and,

00:54:04.489 --> 00:54:06.269
you know, when you start worrying about your

00:54:06.269 --> 00:54:12.010
neighbor, we got to be careful. So, yeah, so

00:54:12.010 --> 00:54:14.889
I'm really excited to have you listen to this

00:54:14.889 --> 00:54:17.650
song when I was thinking about what I wanted

00:54:17.650 --> 00:54:20.429
to go out on today. I said, here's one for you.

00:54:20.780 --> 00:54:23.019
So here's Woody Guthrie with This Land is Your

00:54:23.019 --> 00:54:25.079
Land, and until next week, this is Dale Thromery.

00:54:25.340 --> 00:54:52.500
For all of us, you are dismissed. This land was

00:54:52.500 --> 00:54:59.000
made for you and me As I went a walk in that

00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:04.360
ribbon of highway I saw above me that endless

00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:12.420
skyway Saw below me that golden valley This land

00:55:12.420 --> 00:55:26.570
was made for you and me I roamed and rambled

00:55:26.570 --> 00:55:29.789
and I followed my footsteps To the sparkling

00:55:29.789 --> 00:55:36.110
sands of her diamond deserts All around me a

00:55:36.110 --> 00:55:41.090
voice was sounding This land was made for you

00:55:41.090 --> 00:55:48.250
and me When the sun comes shining then I was

00:55:48.250 --> 00:55:52.250
strolling And the wheat fields waving and the

00:55:52.250 --> 00:55:57.590
dust clouds rolling The voice was chanting as

00:55:57.590 --> 00:56:02.550
the fog was lifting This land was made for you

00:56:02.550 --> 00:56:09.409
and me This land is your land and this land is

00:56:09.409 --> 00:56:14.969
my land From California to the New York Island

00:56:14.969 --> 00:56:20.710
From Redwood Forest The gulf stream waters, this

00:56:20.710 --> 00:56:25.929
land was made for you and me When the sun comes

00:56:25.929 --> 00:56:30.449
shining, and I was strolling The wheat fields

00:56:30.449 --> 00:56:34.869
waving, the dust clouds rolling The voice coming

00:56:34.869 --> 00:56:40.530
chanting, and the fog was lifting This land was

00:56:40.530 --> 00:56:42.550
made for you and me