WEBVTT 00:00:12.300 --> 00:00:14.839 From the studios of Ave Maria Radio in Ann Arbor, 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:17.839 this is Veterans Radio. And now, here's your 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:23.940 host, Dale Throneberry. And good morning, America, 00:00:23.980 --> 00:00:26.039 and welcome to Veterans Radio. We're going to 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:28.559 try this again as we finally come out. And we're 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:30.899 on the air here in beautiful downtown Ann Arbor, 00:00:30.899 --> 00:00:33.560 Michigan. And we want to welcome you to our program 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:36.740 today on Veterans Radio. We've got a fascinating 00:00:36.740 --> 00:00:39.840 program put together for you. We're going to 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:42.740 be talking about mental health. which is always 00:00:42.740 --> 00:00:44.520 good when we're talking to some veterans that 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:46.820 seem like, and I'm stereotyping myself here. 00:00:47.299 --> 00:00:49.600 So we're going to be talking about a program 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:52.399 that is designed to help civilian mental health 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:55.560 specialists with their patients who are veterans. 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:58.259 And we know that there's sometimes a disconnect 00:00:58.259 --> 00:01:00.579 between civilians and veterans. So I'm excited 00:01:00.579 --> 00:01:03.219 to do that. But first coming up on our program, 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:05.900 we've got two guests in the studio, and we always 00:01:05.900 --> 00:01:09.099 talk about different organizations around town. 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:10.959 And today we're going to be talking about Team 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:13.769 RedRite. Team Red, White and Blue. It's easy 00:01:13.769 --> 00:01:17.230 for me to say. But Team Red, White and Blue is 00:01:17.230 --> 00:01:19.890 a new organization that I just learned about 00:01:19.890 --> 00:01:22.230 the other day. I had the privilege of going to 00:01:22.230 --> 00:01:24.510 a luncheon of West Point graduates. And I don't 00:01:24.510 --> 00:01:26.450 know about you, I was not a West Pointer. I wasn't 00:01:26.450 --> 00:01:29.769 even a real live officer. So it was rather interesting. 00:01:29.810 --> 00:01:31.629 The only thing that I thought was a little disconcerting 00:01:31.629 --> 00:01:33.109 was that they were all sitting up and eating 00:01:33.109 --> 00:01:35.790 square meals at lunch, which for those of you 00:01:35.790 --> 00:01:37.469 civilians, I mean, just sit on the first two 00:01:37.469 --> 00:01:41.060 inches of the chair and eat a square meal. It's 00:01:41.060 --> 00:01:44.120 an in -joke. But anyway, joining me in the studios 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:49.480 today are Mark Gunner. And Mark Gunner is the 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:51.219 guy I met at the luncheon. And he's the one that 00:01:51.219 --> 00:01:52.859 brought it out. And he is the veteran outreach 00:01:52.859 --> 00:01:55.599 director. And Mark, welcome to Veterans Radio. 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:58.959 Thank you, Dale. Nice to meet you. OK. And your 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:02.500 other guest is Zach Armstrong. And he's a Midwest 00:02:02.500 --> 00:02:06.959 regional director. Mark or Zach, I want to welcome 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.620 you to Veterans Radio. Thanks for having us on, 00:02:09.740 --> 00:02:13.259 Dale. Okay. Well, Mark, I'm going to ask you 00:02:13.259 --> 00:02:15.159 to start first. Tell us what is Team Red, White 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:18.879 and Blue? So Dale, Team Red, White and Blue is 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:22.300 an organization that enriches the lives of our 00:02:22.300 --> 00:02:25.639 nation's veterans through connecting them to 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:28.020 the community through social and physical activity. 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:31.189 So basically our job is to Try to get veterans 00:02:31.189 --> 00:02:34.669 active. Let them know that there is a community 00:02:34.669 --> 00:02:37.569 out there that is here to support them. Get them 00:02:37.569 --> 00:02:40.770 out through physical activity, weekly run groups, 00:02:41.069 --> 00:02:43.110 other types of physical activity as well as social 00:02:43.110 --> 00:02:47.250 activity. Go into games together, professional 00:02:47.250 --> 00:02:50.229 sporting events or local sporting events as well 00:02:50.229 --> 00:02:52.389 as other social activities in and around the 00:02:52.389 --> 00:02:56.229 community. Okay. Zach, how did Team Red, White 00:02:56.229 --> 00:02:59.770 and Blue get started? Our founder, Mike Irwin, 00:03:00.169 --> 00:03:03.389 started the organization in 2010. He was actually 00:03:03.389 --> 00:03:05.370 getting his master's here at the University of 00:03:05.370 --> 00:03:08.189 Michigan in positive psychology. So it kind of 00:03:08.189 --> 00:03:10.229 fits in very well with the mental health topic 00:03:10.229 --> 00:03:13.909 today. So we're all about getting our veterans 00:03:13.909 --> 00:03:17.030 and our community members active in positive 00:03:17.030 --> 00:03:20.150 environments. So we feel that physical activity, 00:03:20.150 --> 00:03:22.289 I think it's been well shown throughout the research 00:03:22.289 --> 00:03:25.379 that it... makes you feel better and that's why 00:03:25.379 --> 00:03:28.780 it's so you know centric to our mission and vision. 00:03:29.580 --> 00:03:32.460 So it started here in 2010 and now it's a national 00:03:32.460 --> 00:03:37.060 organization. We have about 55 groups in 36 states 00:03:37.060 --> 00:03:39.919 and actually Ann Arbor is one of the it is the 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:41.939 founding chapter but it's a very very we have 00:03:41.939 --> 00:03:45.659 a great presence here in Ann Arbor. So if I wanted 00:03:45.659 --> 00:03:48.300 to get involved in this and Mark I'll ask you 00:03:48.300 --> 00:03:52.460 about this how do I do that? Well, there's several 00:03:52.460 --> 00:03:56.000 ways to do that. One of which is to go to our 00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:02.080 national website www .teamrwb .org and there's 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:05.439 a link there to join the team. And that's a very 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:07.560 easy way to do that. It takes less than 30 seconds 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:10.199 to sign up. You just write in your name. which 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:13.219 chapter is the closest to you, and then you'll 00:04:13.219 --> 00:04:16.420 be contacted by a local chapter captain. That's 00:04:16.420 --> 00:04:19.279 one way. For people that are local, they can 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:23.500 go to our Facebook page, which is Team RWB Michigan, 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.120 and they can find us on Facebook and click the 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:29.300 like button to find out about our local events 00:04:29.300 --> 00:04:33.519 that are going on almost weekly. Well, you do 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:35.100 something every Saturday morning, don't you? 00:04:35.500 --> 00:04:38.769 Yes, sir, we do. We have a weekly run group so 00:04:38.769 --> 00:04:42.709 at 930 a .m. We meet at the loading dock at Gallup 00:04:42.709 --> 00:04:46.569 Park on Geddes Road just east of the Huron Parkway 00:04:47.030 --> 00:04:49.810 And we meet there and go for a three to four 00:04:49.810 --> 00:04:53.189 mile run jog walk, if you will, based on your 00:04:53.189 --> 00:04:54.910 ability level. There are some people out there 00:04:54.910 --> 00:04:57.290 that are very good athletes and can run very 00:04:57.290 --> 00:04:59.930 fast for very far. Uh, and then there are others, 00:04:59.930 --> 00:05:02.269 uh, like myself who, uh, like to take it a little 00:05:02.269 --> 00:05:05.329 bit slower pace, uh, and, uh, and just go for 00:05:05.329 --> 00:05:09.110 a, a light jog, uh, or a walk, uh, to, uh, uh, 00:05:09.110 --> 00:05:11.310 basically it's a good opportunity to, to meet 00:05:11.310 --> 00:05:13.470 with other veterans and the community. Uh, we 00:05:13.470 --> 00:05:15.329 probably have, and this is what's really impressed 00:05:15.329 --> 00:05:18.139 me. is that even through the the frozen tundra 00:05:18.139 --> 00:05:20.220 of michigan we have approximately fifteen to 00:05:20.220 --> 00:05:23.699 twenty people come on a weekly basis and we expect 00:05:23.699 --> 00:05:25.660 to have a much larger group as the weather gets 00:05:25.660 --> 00:05:27.199 nicer but we have some we have some hardcore 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:29.279 people come out there in the cold so it's been 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.620 fantastic. Well I think that that is terrific 00:05:31.620 --> 00:05:33.680 and you've got some other events that are coming 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:35.899 up that maybe our audience should know about? 00:05:36.930 --> 00:05:40.110 Yeah, absolutely. So one of our one of our signature 00:05:40.110 --> 00:05:43.050 events is going to be the Tough Mudder Which 00:05:43.050 --> 00:05:45.509 is coming up on June 29th and right now we have 00:05:45.509 --> 00:05:49.589 over 50 Members signed up to do this race. So 00:05:49.589 --> 00:05:53.350 that's going to be a phenomenal activity and 00:05:53.350 --> 00:05:56.769 then we also have our athletic camps and we have 00:05:56.769 --> 00:05:59.410 about four or five of those throughout the year. 00:05:59.569 --> 00:06:02.529 These are national events that are fully funded 00:06:02.529 --> 00:06:06.910 by donating parties and veterans are invited 00:06:06.910 --> 00:06:09.389 to come and participate in a three to four day 00:06:09.389 --> 00:06:12.930 camp in things such as the triathlon camp, which 00:06:12.930 --> 00:06:16.389 I just had the distinct pleasure of attending 00:06:16.389 --> 00:06:20.149 just last weekend, as well as hiking camps, yoga 00:06:20.149 --> 00:06:25.149 camps. trail running camps and such. So it's 00:06:25.149 --> 00:06:27.110 a phenomenal organization with a very strong 00:06:27.110 --> 00:06:30.069 support base to support veterans. So we invite 00:06:30.069 --> 00:06:32.529 any veteran in the area that wants to participate 00:06:32.529 --> 00:06:35.829 with our organization in both our social and 00:06:35.829 --> 00:06:38.410 physical activities. And we also invite the community 00:06:38.410 --> 00:06:40.829 too, those people that are interested in supporting 00:06:40.829 --> 00:06:43.050 veterans to join us. And there's no obligation. 00:06:43.430 --> 00:06:46.129 You give and you participate as much as you want. 00:06:46.670 --> 00:06:50.139 And we don't have any... predetermined expectations 00:06:50.139 --> 00:06:51.800 of everybody. We just want to get everybody active 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:54.220 and involved. I think that's great. Now Zach, 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:57.699 are there other chapters in Michigan or in the 00:06:57.699 --> 00:07:01.000 Midwest that our listeners could go to or contact? 00:07:01.339 --> 00:07:04.519 Sure, that's a great question, Dale. Since Ann 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:07.579 Arbor has been that sole chapter for quite some 00:07:07.579 --> 00:07:10.699 time now, we are just starting to see other veterans, 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.879 other community members step up anywhere from 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:17.379 Houghton, Michigan, Traverse City, Grand Rapids, 00:07:17.620 --> 00:07:21.399 Lansing, Tecumseh, many different areas where 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:23.779 we're starting to organize communities and chapters. 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:26.540 But what it takes is for a veteran or a community 00:07:26.540 --> 00:07:29.319 member to call us and say, this is what we would 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:33.120 like to... create a community. We have veterans 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:35.220 who are interested in our area so when it comes 00:07:35.220 --> 00:07:37.740 down to it we have many people interested but 00:07:37.740 --> 00:07:40.180 they need to contact us and let us know and we'd 00:07:40.180 --> 00:07:43.420 be happy to talk them through how to set up a 00:07:43.420 --> 00:07:45.459 community in their area. Okay, can I get you 00:07:45.459 --> 00:07:47.459 to give out your website again? You sure can. 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:54.060 It's www .teamrwb .org. Okay, we got that. I 00:07:54.060 --> 00:07:57.699 want to thank Mark Gunner and Zach Armstrong 00:07:57.699 --> 00:08:00.759 for representing team Red, White and Blue. For 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:02.360 more information, you can go to their website 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:04.079 and find out more about that. Thank you gentlemen 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:06.160 for being on Veterans Radio. Thank you Dale. 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:22.279 Thank you Dale. 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You helped us. 00:09:03.299 --> 00:09:23.000 Now let us help you. Semper Fi. And we are back 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:27.279 on Veterans Radio and being pushed into host 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:30.980 duty today. And we're all working together as 00:09:30.980 --> 00:09:35.139 we go along here. Brian Redmer is our producer 00:09:35.139 --> 00:09:37.240 for today's program and put the whole thing together. 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:39.120 And Brian, I'm going to let you introduce the 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.419 topic while I play around here in the control 00:09:41.419 --> 00:09:43.519 room. Thank you, Dale. It's good to be here. 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:45.519 It's good to be with everyone today on Veterans 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.379 Radio. Today's topic, we're going to be talking 00:09:48.379 --> 00:09:52.500 about a two -tier program that has been implemented 00:09:52.500 --> 00:09:55.519 in the state to teach mental health providers 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:58.820 how to deal with the specific issues that soldiers 00:09:58.820 --> 00:10:00.799 come home deployed with. And in studio, we're 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:03.259 going to introduce today Captain Nicholas Anderson, 00:10:03.460 --> 00:10:07.700 commander of HHT 126 CAF and director of the 00:10:07.700 --> 00:10:10.519 peer support programs in the state. Captain Anderson, 00:10:10.700 --> 00:10:12.480 thank you for being on the program today. Good 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:15.299 morning. Thanks for having me. Can you tell us 00:10:15.299 --> 00:10:17.980 a little bit about what your work is, what you're 00:10:17.980 --> 00:10:22.940 doing? Well, for my full -time job, I have a 00:10:22.940 --> 00:10:25.220 couple different jobs, but one that we're working 00:10:25.220 --> 00:10:27.379 on project right now is the Star Behavior Health 00:10:27.379 --> 00:10:30.669 Program. We're training civilian mental health 00:10:30.669 --> 00:10:33.730 care providers to be more military friendly and 00:10:33.730 --> 00:10:36.710 to reach out to veterans to help them with issues 00:10:36.710 --> 00:10:38.210 that they have and to help them through those 00:10:38.210 --> 00:10:51.059 issues. How you doing today? Good, sir. Good. 00:10:51.059 --> 00:10:53.639 Welcome, everybody. This is Chaplain Paul Lepley. 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:56.159 He is a coordinator for STAR Behavioral Health. 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:59.320 You can visit their website at starproviders 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:02.139 .org. He's also a mental health counselor for 00:11:02.139 --> 00:11:05.399 Veterans of America. And can you go ahead and 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:07.200 add a little bit on to what we're going to be 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:12.000 talking about today, sir? First off, thank you 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:15.139 for having us on the radio. Just talk a little 00:11:15.139 --> 00:11:18.840 bit about the program and the conceptual program, 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:22.159 that type of stuff. But whatever you have for 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:23.899 us, we can talk about. How does that sound, Redmer? 00:11:24.460 --> 00:11:26.480 Well, that's the thing. Where did this program 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:31.639 start from? Well, this program started in Indiana. 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:38.600 They were the family couple agencies there. The 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:41.279 Military Family Research Institute is one. And 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.100 then the Center for Deployment Psychologies, 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:46.299 the other, was the Indiana National Guard. got 00:11:46.299 --> 00:11:49.019 together to create a program to train mental 00:11:49.019 --> 00:11:51.460 health therapists how to work with veterans because 00:11:51.460 --> 00:11:55.759 there's a very large disconnect between the therapy 00:11:55.759 --> 00:12:01.179 world and the veteran population. What that looks 00:12:01.179 --> 00:12:03.740 like is a therapist, when they sit in the room 00:12:03.740 --> 00:12:06.480 with a veteran or even a family member of a veteran, 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:12.980 they may see a 25 -year -old white male. The 00:12:12.980 --> 00:12:14.559 therapist brings with them this perception of 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:18.379 what a 25 -year -old white male has gone through 00:12:18.379 --> 00:12:20.299 in their life. But when it's a veteran, they 00:12:20.299 --> 00:12:23.299 fail to realize that this 25 -year -old male 00:12:23.299 --> 00:12:26.080 may have been deployed two or three times and 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:29.200 has more life experiences than a lot of 80 -year 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:34.399 -olds. And so to be able to take that into consideration, 00:12:34.580 --> 00:12:38.120 they're meeting with this vet and some of the 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:40.139 things that this veteran has went through. And 00:12:40.139 --> 00:12:42.759 not only just deployment experience, but... The 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:45.759 acculturation or the brainwashing is, people 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:50.480 say, that the military does to soldiers or airmen 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.120 or seamen or marines to make them ready to do 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.139 their job. Okay. Also with us today is Tom Anderman, 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:00.940 Director of Psychological Services for the Michigan 00:13:00.940 --> 00:13:03.700 Army National Guard. Mr. Anderman, how are you 00:13:03.700 --> 00:13:06.629 this morning? I'm well and yourself. I am very 00:13:06.629 --> 00:13:08.710 well. Thank you for being a guest on today's 00:13:08.710 --> 00:13:11.330 show. Now, I know Jacqueline Lepley talked about 00:13:11.330 --> 00:13:15.570 that disconnect that soldiers have with the mental 00:13:15.570 --> 00:13:18.450 health community. Again, why do you feel there's 00:13:18.450 --> 00:13:22.549 that disconnect? What's your take on that? Well, 00:13:22.549 --> 00:13:26.809 as you mentioned, seeing your... I'm a licensed 00:13:26.809 --> 00:13:29.230 social worker and counselor, and seeing your 00:13:29.230 --> 00:13:33.029 client for who they really are and being there 00:13:33.029 --> 00:13:36.379 for them is... The most important thing a therapist 00:13:36.379 --> 00:13:40.340 can offer initially in the therapeutic environment 00:13:40.340 --> 00:13:45.679 and to have counselors, social workers that really 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:50.340 understand what these service members have been 00:13:50.340 --> 00:13:55.179 through is paramount. Chaplain Lopley referred 00:13:55.179 --> 00:13:59.700 to life experience and for service members to 00:13:59.700 --> 00:14:04.539 be able to connect. and really know they're being 00:14:04.539 --> 00:14:08.279 heard takes a lot on the therapist's part to 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:15.019 be more familiar with the nomenclature of military 00:14:15.019 --> 00:14:20.559 life. I've spent two years myself in Iraq and 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:24.820 a year in Afghanistan and that's enabled me to 00:14:24.820 --> 00:14:27.720 be there a little better for them. Our program 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:32.580 offers a series of trainings for counselors and 00:14:32.580 --> 00:14:35.899 social workers, psychologists, that can really 00:14:35.899 --> 00:14:40.539 aid their understanding for their therapy sessions 00:14:40.539 --> 00:14:42.860 and their clients. Okay, Captain Anderson, you 00:14:42.860 --> 00:14:44.820 have something to add to this? Yeah, talking 00:14:44.820 --> 00:14:48.639 about the disconnect, as a soldier, I think if 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.879 me talking to somebody, if you haven't been there 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:53.139 and you haven't done that, it's hard for me to 00:14:53.139 --> 00:14:56.480 open up to you. I feel very comfortable talking 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:59.000 to other soldiers who are deployed with me or 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:00.840 who have been deployed to the same area, done 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.779 the same things type that I've done. I feel that 00:15:03.779 --> 00:15:06.139 they know where I'm coming from. And I think 00:15:06.139 --> 00:15:08.240 that's the big disconnect with civilian mental 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:10.519 health, health care providers that, you know, 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:12.740 when, when I sit down with somebody, a civilian 00:15:12.740 --> 00:15:15.379 who has never been there done that, how are they 00:15:15.379 --> 00:15:17.220 really going to understand what I'm talking about? 00:15:17.779 --> 00:15:20.820 So that's what we try to do is try to sort of 00:15:20.820 --> 00:15:24.259 educate these, these civilians on. why soldiers 00:15:24.259 --> 00:15:26.059 are reluctant to come forward and talk about 00:15:26.059 --> 00:15:28.360 their issues and how to open them up more or 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:30.860 less. Okay, I know I'd spoken to Chaplain Lepley 00:15:30.860 --> 00:15:33.100 a couple of times in Afghanistan when he came 00:15:33.100 --> 00:15:38.120 to our FOB overseas. Chaplain Lepley, I just 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:40.000 I had a question here and all of a sudden I blank 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.480 real quick. You're teaching tier one of the program. 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.159 I know you said it's a how many tier program 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:49.960 that this total is? There's a total of three 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:54.740 tiers. Tier one is basic military culture and 00:15:54.740 --> 00:15:58.500 the deployment cycle and really try to address 00:15:58.500 --> 00:16:03.299 not just the First off a disclaimer here. I'll 00:16:03.299 --> 00:16:05.559 say soldier, but when I say soldier I might be 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:08.600 talking about airmen seaman or Marine Because 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.360 I come from a National Guard army background. 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.759 So if anybody's listening who is Not a soldier 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.779 and belong to our branch. I do not mean any disrespect 00:16:18.779 --> 00:16:22.200 to you It's just my background of time won't 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:27.809 talk So, Tier 1, yes, about military culture, 00:16:28.210 --> 00:16:30.710 some lingo that we use. For example, what is 00:16:30.710 --> 00:16:34.690 a FOB? What is a COP? What is an MRAP? That way, 00:16:35.250 --> 00:16:37.669 when in therapy, a soldier is sitting there with 00:16:37.669 --> 00:16:40.190 the therapist and the soldier is talking about 00:16:40.190 --> 00:16:43.970 going out at 0 dark 30 outside the wire and the 00:16:43.970 --> 00:16:46.169 MRAP and they get hit by an IED, the therapist 00:16:46.169 --> 00:16:48.009 is like, what the heck are you talking about? 00:16:48.149 --> 00:16:50.690 Because all these acronyms are in use. We do 00:16:50.690 --> 00:16:54.080 use a lot of acronyms in the Army. Yes, we do. 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:56.139 Yes, we do. We think it makes it easier, but 00:16:56.139 --> 00:17:00.620 I don't know. I don't think it does. Then the 00:17:00.620 --> 00:17:02.820 afternoon of Tier 1, because Tier 1 is just a 00:17:02.820 --> 00:17:06.660 one day event, is more your deployment cycle. 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:09.000 And not just deployment cycle from the soldier's 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:10.980 perspective, but deployment cycle from the family's 00:17:10.980 --> 00:17:15.599 perspective. Because each soldier usually has 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:20.640 about 1 .5 dependents. Wow. So say there's 700 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:25.190 ,000 veterans. in Michigan. That means there's 00:17:25.190 --> 00:17:30.430 over 1 .4 million, I did the math right, people 00:17:30.430 --> 00:17:33.869 who are affected directly by the deployment cycle 00:17:33.869 --> 00:17:39.049 and the military culture. Tier 2 focuses more 00:17:39.049 --> 00:17:41.829 on things that may arise, issues that may arise 00:17:41.829 --> 00:17:48.069 during a session with a soldier. Things such 00:17:48.069 --> 00:17:51.920 as depression or insomnia are very common. issues 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:57.099 that may arise, and they delve more deeply into 00:17:57.099 --> 00:17:59.880 these issues that soldiers come home facing. 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:02.299 I remember when I first got home, the first thing 00:18:02.299 --> 00:18:05.799 that Tom said to me is, oh, you still look tired. 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.920 And it's like, wow, I didn't even realize I looked 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:13.819 tired. But he was cognizant of what I went through 00:18:13.819 --> 00:18:16.200 in nine months of not really having a sleep cycle. 00:18:16.700 --> 00:18:19.400 And he pinpointed it. I was like, oh, great. 00:18:19.500 --> 00:18:22.009 Thanks, Tom. I appreciate that. Probably something 00:18:22.009 --> 00:18:24.890 I didn't even realize about myself. Then tier 00:18:24.890 --> 00:18:28.069 three, we try to reserve strictly for mental 00:18:28.069 --> 00:18:32.630 health professionals. So social workers, counselors, 00:18:32.990 --> 00:18:37.230 licensed psychologists, and LMFTs, licensed marriage 00:18:37.230 --> 00:18:40.430 and family therapists. And there we'll actually 00:18:40.430 --> 00:18:43.589 deal with evidence -based treatment modalities 00:18:43.589 --> 00:18:48.210 for dealing with stuff such as PTSD. And then 00:18:48.210 --> 00:18:52.769 we might get into... prolonged exposure therapy. 00:18:53.970 --> 00:18:55.809 And in order to do that stuff in Michigan, you 00:18:55.809 --> 00:18:58.150 do have to have a license. But anybody can attend 00:18:58.150 --> 00:19:00.750 tier one. If you work with veterans on a regular 00:19:00.750 --> 00:19:02.950 basis, you can attend tier two. If you have a 00:19:02.950 --> 00:19:08.049 license, you can attend tier three. Okay. Mr. 00:19:08.269 --> 00:19:09.849 Anderman, is there anything you want to add on 00:19:09.849 --> 00:19:13.009 tier one? What work you're doing with them? Anything 00:19:13.009 --> 00:19:17.369 you want to add? Well, just to get people to 00:19:17.369 --> 00:19:21.299 understand, therapists and mental health providers 00:19:21.299 --> 00:19:27.940 that there is a very complex dynamic to the military 00:19:27.940 --> 00:19:33.359 experience and when in session it's always important 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:36.920 to admit you don't know versus just the Carl 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:41.900 Rogers nodding of the head. You want to be able 00:19:41.900 --> 00:19:45.259 to, you know, expose yourself. It's like, well, 00:19:45.339 --> 00:19:47.740 this is something I'm not familiar with or something 00:19:47.740 --> 00:19:51.500 I'm willing to learn about. At least that's not 00:19:51.500 --> 00:19:56.619 a turn -off in the therapeutic relationship. 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:02.259 Tier 1 offers people a good basic understanding. 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:06.019 to where they can help anchor that relationship 00:20:06.019 --> 00:20:07.880 to say, well, I understand this. I know about 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.000 that. But you mentioned this. What is that? And 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:14.160 so really in creating the therapeutic relationship, 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.619 you want a solid foundation. And tier one helps 00:20:18.619 --> 00:20:21.460 that happen. I know, Chaplain, that you spoke 00:20:21.460 --> 00:20:23.519 about the family aspect of that. And if anyone 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:25.500 out there listening has a question for our three 00:20:25.500 --> 00:20:28.259 guests, they can give us a call today at 1 -877 00:20:28.259 --> 00:20:35.400 -573 -7825. Again, that number is 1 -877 -573 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:38.420 -7825, because we all out, everyone out there 00:20:38.420 --> 00:20:40.539 knows a veteran, family member of a veteran. 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:42.819 So if you have a question, a specific question 00:20:42.819 --> 00:20:44.799 for our guests, go ahead and give us a call in. 00:20:45.180 --> 00:20:46.940 And Captain Anderson, was there anything you 00:20:46.940 --> 00:20:48.920 wanted to add to the tier one that we're talking 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.230 about? I think as far as going back to the family 00:20:52.230 --> 00:20:56.670 aspect, if we're getting mental health care providers 00:20:56.670 --> 00:20:59.890 to just ask the question, are you a veteran or 00:20:59.890 --> 00:21:02.430 is somebody in your family a veteran type thing, 00:21:02.730 --> 00:21:04.910 I think that's pretty huge because we have children 00:21:04.910 --> 00:21:07.869 that their mother or their father deploys or 00:21:07.869 --> 00:21:09.690 maybe even a brother or sister, somebody that 00:21:09.690 --> 00:21:12.670 they're very close to. suddenly they're having 00:21:12.670 --> 00:21:16.029 some sort of issues with behavior or whatever 00:21:16.029 --> 00:21:18.450 at school and their parents are sending them 00:21:18.450 --> 00:21:21.670 to talk to somebody. Even if it's not a recent 00:21:21.670 --> 00:21:23.470 deployment, it was something two, three, four 00:21:23.470 --> 00:21:26.099 years ago. If the mental health care provider 00:21:26.099 --> 00:21:30.339 is asking, well, hey, why is this? And they're 00:21:30.339 --> 00:21:33.440 talking to the kids or even a spouse about my 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:36.059 husband, my father, my mother was deployed a 00:21:36.059 --> 00:21:38.819 couple of years ago. And now I'm starting to 00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:40.700 see the effects or I'm starting to feel the effects. 00:21:41.019 --> 00:21:47.779 I think that's pretty important. Right. I just 00:21:47.779 --> 00:21:50.420 wanted to jump in with a question. Actually, 00:21:50.420 --> 00:21:53.539 I guess it's for Mr. Anderman. My name is Dale 00:21:53.539 --> 00:21:56.359 Thromberry. Welcome to Veterans Radio. I want 00:21:56.359 --> 00:21:58.359 to thank all of you for being on the program. 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:02.460 I think this is so important. With the training 00:22:02.460 --> 00:22:06.029 that you get, Mr. Anderman, do they... indoctrinates 00:22:06.029 --> 00:22:08.970 you into some of the acronyms that they were 00:22:08.970 --> 00:22:12.470 throwing around earlier on or some of the specific 00:22:12.470 --> 00:22:16.730 issues that might affect veterans? There is actually 00:22:16.730 --> 00:22:20.930 a significant period of time spent on getting 00:22:20.930 --> 00:22:23.849 people to understand the organizational structure 00:22:23.849 --> 00:22:27.109 so you can find out just where that service member 00:22:27.109 --> 00:22:34.420 fits in. Understanding that You get to see what 00:22:34.420 --> 00:22:37.380 kind of emotional and responsibility load the 00:22:37.380 --> 00:22:41.920 individual carries or where in the food chain 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:46.019 they are allows them, allows the service provider 00:22:46.019 --> 00:22:49.359 to really get a better view. And as far as the 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:52.039 acronyms, they're endless. There's a cornucopia. 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:55.359 They're being produced by the dozen as we speak. 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:01.700 There are handouts and links that provide definitive 00:23:01.700 --> 00:23:04.900 current definitions of those but the thing is 00:23:04.900 --> 00:23:08.839 is that there's always more and what I learned 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:11.740 long ago is the only bad question is one not 00:23:11.740 --> 00:23:17.819 asked because there's just so many. Thank you. 00:23:18.099 --> 00:23:20.920 Okay, I do have a quick question. Suppose we 00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:22.680 have a mental health provider out there right 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:25.880 now listening to us that does struggle talking 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:28.160 to a veteran when he has a veteran come in for 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:30.259 mental health services. What can that provider, 00:23:30.619 --> 00:23:33.259 how does this provider go about getting this 00:23:33.259 --> 00:23:35.059 type of training from you gentlemen? What does 00:23:35.059 --> 00:23:39.880 he have to do? To get the training, if the provider 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:43.960 just go to starproviders .org and all our trainings 00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:46.099 are registered on there, all of our tier ones 00:23:46.099 --> 00:23:48.259 at least. We just posted our tier two trainings 00:23:48.259 --> 00:23:52.099 and we'll post the tier three training here a 00:23:52.099 --> 00:23:55.069 little bit later on. They just go there and they 00:23:55.069 --> 00:23:58.789 register. One thing that we have seen is we use 00:23:58.789 --> 00:24:01.390 a software called Qualtrics to do the registration. 00:24:02.009 --> 00:24:04.630 So if there's any problems with the registration 00:24:04.630 --> 00:24:07.470 not populating onto the computer, they can just 00:24:07.470 --> 00:24:10.369 give us a call and we'll sit down on one of our 00:24:10.369 --> 00:24:13.410 computers. Teresa, who's the co -coordinator 00:24:13.410 --> 00:24:16.190 with me, or myself, and we'll actually do the 00:24:16.190 --> 00:24:22.920 registration over the phone. OK. One thing, we're 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:24.579 breaking down the barriers that mental health 00:24:24.579 --> 00:24:27.559 providers have with soldiers. Now we have to 00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:29.579 break down the barriers that the soldiers have 00:24:29.579 --> 00:24:32.099 with the mental health providers. And how do 00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:34.900 we get that information to the soldiers themselves 00:24:34.900 --> 00:24:38.539 to be more willing to get the help that they 00:24:38.539 --> 00:24:40.259 need? Captain Anderson, can you talk about that 00:24:40.259 --> 00:24:43.039 a little bit? So one of the things that I do 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:48.039 is I run... regional, quarterly meetings, sort 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:50.880 of like community outreach, and we held one back 00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:53.880 in February in the Grand Ledge area, and we had, 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.299 truly had Chaplain Leftley come talk about this, 00:24:56.460 --> 00:24:58.579 our behavior health program, and there were some 00:24:58.579 --> 00:25:01.000 of the leadership of the Michigan National Guard 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:03.799 there, just so that they know the information, 00:25:03.819 --> 00:25:06.079 and they can push that down to their service 00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:10.039 members. The biggest thing is putting, you know, 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:11.839 I concentrate on the Army National Guard because 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:14.359 that's who I work for. But in the state of Michigan, 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:16.259 we have Army Reserves, we have Marine Corps Reserves, 00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:18.519 we have some active duty folks in the Detroit 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:22.880 area. And it's just pushing it out. There's multiple 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.559 different national websites that providers can 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:31.079 go on to. But again, it's... I really don't know 00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:34.319 how to crack that nut. Because like I said, my 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:36.779 concentration is on the Army National Guard. 00:25:38.019 --> 00:25:41.799 But we get tons of people that have called that 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:44.359 they just happen to see it on the website. They 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:48.019 Google Veterans Care and this website pops up. 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:52.789 So it's difficult. I don't know to tell you the 00:25:52.789 --> 00:25:55.569 truth. There's no really one good answer on how 00:25:55.569 --> 00:25:58.730 to do that. On how to get soldiers to want to 00:25:58.730 --> 00:26:01.089 actually commit to this and commit to getting 00:26:01.089 --> 00:26:02.849 the help that they need. Chapman Levely, do you 00:26:02.849 --> 00:26:04.390 have any idea before we go to break? We've got 00:26:04.390 --> 00:26:08.849 about a minute and a half. That's a great question. 00:26:09.029 --> 00:26:10.990 I was actually thinking about that earlier today. 00:26:12.890 --> 00:26:15.670 Nick, Cap Anderson, he just, you know, it's very 00:26:15.670 --> 00:26:19.420 tough not to crack. Awareness is one thing. The 00:26:19.420 --> 00:26:23.440 military has efforts to try to destigmatize mental 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:27.380 health. Before, if you had a security clearance 00:26:27.380 --> 00:26:29.859 you were getting, if you answered yes to getting 00:26:29.859 --> 00:26:33.759 mental health help, then you'd lose your clearance. 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.279 And so people didn't want to claim it or go out 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:40.539 and get it for fear of losing a clearance. But 00:26:40.539 --> 00:26:43.619 they have changed that. Our strives and the military 00:26:43.619 --> 00:26:47.259 and all branches to diminish the stigma associated 00:26:47.259 --> 00:26:50.980 with it and to decrease any sort of reprimands 00:26:50.980 --> 00:26:53.799 and actually get rid of reprimands that may be 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:58.599 issued because a soldier seeks help. Yeah and 00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:01.200 actually going back to that, Sergeant Major of 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.819 the Army Ray Chandler, I was at a conference 00:27:03.819 --> 00:27:07.400 that he was at back in April in DC and he openly 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.859 spoke about seeking mental health for combat 00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:14.039 stress, post -traumatic stress disorder. after 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:15.960 one or two of his deployments, I can't remember. 00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:18.960 But, you know, the big thing is that he is the 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:21.759 top dog of the NCO Corps for the Army, not the 00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:24.539 National Guard, the Army. And he reiterated that 00:27:24.539 --> 00:27:27.140 if I, as a Sergeant Major of the Army, can ask 00:27:27.140 --> 00:27:29.880 for help for a topic like this, there's no reason 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:32.160 anybody else in the military should not, you 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.460 know, should not be able to go because he still 00:27:34.460 --> 00:27:36.920 has his job. He's still in the military and there 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:39.279 was no repercussions for him seeking help. All 00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:41.529 right. Okay, well we're going to take a break. 00:27:41.670 --> 00:27:43.970 We'll be right back with Tom Anderson, Captain 00:27:43.970 --> 00:27:46.210 Nicholas Anderson and Chaplain Paul Upley here 00:27:46.210 --> 00:27:49.329 on Veterans Radio. Welcome back to Veterans Radio. 00:27:49.450 --> 00:27:51.329 Again, if you have a question for our three guests, 00:27:51.569 --> 00:27:53.670 Tom Anderson, Captain Nicholas Anderson or Chaplain 00:27:53.670 --> 00:27:59.450 Paul Upley, you can call in 1 -877 -573 -7825. 00:27:59.730 --> 00:28:06.190 Again, 1 -877 -573 -7825. Now, one of the things 00:28:06.190 --> 00:28:07.910 I know we're talking about and I want to dive 00:28:07.910 --> 00:28:12.109 into is the family aspect of all of this. How 00:28:12.109 --> 00:28:14.970 soldiers are turning home from deployments, their 00:28:14.970 --> 00:28:17.309 families are affected. We were talking earlier, 00:28:17.549 --> 00:28:19.430 Captain Anderson, that depending on the length 00:28:19.430 --> 00:28:21.630 of time you're deployed, that's the length of 00:28:21.630 --> 00:28:24.029 time it could take to reintegrate back home. 00:28:24.430 --> 00:28:27.190 So it's not just six months or just a couple 00:28:27.190 --> 00:28:30.029 months after we deploy or we come home from deployment, 00:28:30.509 --> 00:28:32.410 that issues may arise. It could be six months, 00:28:32.490 --> 00:28:36.170 eight months to a year. Is there talk about the 00:28:36.170 --> 00:28:39.029 difficulties surrounding that or anything surrounding 00:28:39.029 --> 00:28:42.230 the family aspect? Yeah, coming from my own experience, 00:28:42.490 --> 00:28:46.230 when I deployed, my wife picked up all my duties. 00:28:46.410 --> 00:28:51.450 She was the mom and the dad for a good year of 00:28:51.450 --> 00:28:55.140 my daughter's life. second deployment, we had 00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:59.539 both my son and my daughter. So she had to cook, 00:28:59.819 --> 00:29:01.960 clean, take care of the kids, but also take out 00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:06.900 the trash, mow the lawn. And when I came back, 00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:10.519 I had to really figure out where my place in 00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:14.920 the family dynamic was again, and who got control 00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:18.259 of the remote control on what time, and who did 00:29:18.259 --> 00:29:22.480 what with the kids. And my wife, she always says 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.019 that she didn't I joined the military after we 00:29:26.019 --> 00:29:29.200 were married. It was very difficult after my 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.339 first deployment because we just didn't know 00:29:31.339 --> 00:29:35.059 where to go from there. I was dealing with my 00:29:35.059 --> 00:29:37.599 issues coming home from the deployment and then 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.099 trying to get back into the swing of things of 00:29:39.099 --> 00:29:41.339 being a civilian and being a father and a husband. 00:29:41.859 --> 00:29:45.359 It was extremely difficult. Our families, we 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:46.960 just don't give them enough credit. The one thing 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.150 we always say is that Everybody always thinks 00:29:49.150 --> 00:29:51.970 the veteran, but the family members never get 00:29:51.970 --> 00:29:54.690 thanked for their service because if anything, 00:29:54.930 --> 00:29:58.170 they take on a very large burden. It's very easy 00:29:58.170 --> 00:30:01.009 for me to go overseas and be mission focused. 00:30:02.569 --> 00:30:05.130 My wife and kids are at home worrying about what's 00:30:05.130 --> 00:30:06.930 going on with me, but at the same time having 00:30:06.930 --> 00:30:10.220 to carry on and live their life back here. So 00:30:10.220 --> 00:30:13.240 it's very difficult. Brian, I just want to interrupt 00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.619 you. My question is, when you guys came back 00:30:16.619 --> 00:30:18.839 from your deployments, it's much different now 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:24.119 than it was 40 years ago. Were you given time 00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:26.400 to come down from your deployment before you 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.299 met with your family? From my personal experience, 00:30:31.140 --> 00:30:35.299 it was about four days. for both deployments 00:30:35.299 --> 00:30:38.940 actually, flew into Fort Hood and did our out 00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:42.160 -processing and then four days later we were 00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.460 back in Michigan. And actually my first deployment, 00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:49.079 I came home early because my wife was pregnant 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.960 and so I flew out of Kuwait on a Saturday, landed 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:55.980 in Atlanta, Georgia on a Sunday. I was back in 00:30:55.980 --> 00:30:59.440 Detroit later that Sunday and Tuesday morning 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.269 I was in the operating room. You know, there 00:31:02.269 --> 00:31:06.710 was no real time to adjust, and it's very difficult. 00:31:07.690 --> 00:31:10.109 I know Chaplain Lepley, I know you deployed with 00:31:10.109 --> 00:31:13.430 the 126 as well as I did, and I don't know what 00:31:13.430 --> 00:31:15.349 your time frame was when you came home. We had 00:31:15.349 --> 00:31:18.329 about two weeks at Camp Shelby, Mississippi. 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.400 from when we left Afghanistan, flew home, and 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.859 were able to sit at Camp Shelby, relax. We took 00:31:24.859 --> 00:31:28.440 the demode process nice and slow. And there was 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:31.279 a lot of providers there, not just talking about 00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:33.180 the mental health that we could get, but about 00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:35.759 our GI bill benefits and all the other benefits 00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:40.039 that we have at our disposal now. So we were 00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:43.460 able to relax, sit back, talk to our families 00:31:43.460 --> 00:31:46.299 on the phone as much as we wanted to before we 00:31:46.299 --> 00:31:48.900 had that. ceremony where we came back home into 00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:51.339 Grand Rapids and Chapman Lepley was there anything 00:31:51.339 --> 00:31:56.019 you wanted to add to that? I think that I'm very 00:31:56.019 --> 00:31:59.660 cautious when it comes to assigning and designating 00:31:59.660 --> 00:32:01.859 a specific time frame that takes for somebody 00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:05.240 to really integrate back into a family system 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:10.180 because each person, each soldier and each family 00:32:10.180 --> 00:32:13.859 is going to be different. One thing that studies 00:32:13.859 --> 00:32:17.509 will show and Dr. Adrian Bloom may argue with 00:32:17.509 --> 00:32:21.589 me a little bit on this, is that when you leave 00:32:21.589 --> 00:32:24.569 for deployment, there's a little bump of stress 00:32:24.569 --> 00:32:30.329 in the family as the family system tries to cope 00:32:30.329 --> 00:32:33.910 with the loss of one of its members. As roles 00:32:33.910 --> 00:32:37.349 in the families are reestablished and expectations 00:32:37.349 --> 00:32:40.910 are reestablished as the spouse that's left at 00:32:40.910 --> 00:32:46.430 home tries to assume control of the kids. still 00:32:46.430 --> 00:32:50.349 the gaps there are left and studies will show 00:32:50.349 --> 00:32:52.069 though that at the end of the deployment at the 00:32:52.069 --> 00:32:53.990 tail end starting about one month before the 00:32:53.990 --> 00:32:57.829 end of the deployment there's another bump. Some 00:32:57.829 --> 00:33:00.170 I've seen shows that that bump at the end of 00:33:00.170 --> 00:33:02.190 the deployment is actually bigger than the one 00:33:02.190 --> 00:33:05.150 at the beginning and that bump that starts about 00:33:05.150 --> 00:33:07.250 a month before the soldier gets home that bump 00:33:07.250 --> 00:33:11.609 continues on for X amount of time depending on 00:33:11.609 --> 00:33:16.089 how well the family communicates. how well they 00:33:16.089 --> 00:33:20.670 just relax and not get it to our throats. But 00:33:20.670 --> 00:33:23.210 that bump, it's a pretty sizable bump. And the 00:33:23.210 --> 00:33:29.750 reason why is because that veteran, they leave 00:33:29.750 --> 00:33:34.009 a hole and they leave. And that hole most of 00:33:34.009 --> 00:33:36.309 the times gets filled. The family turns inward. 00:33:37.230 --> 00:33:41.910 It's a state of homostasis. And then when the 00:33:41.910 --> 00:33:44.029 veteran comes home, The family has to learn how 00:33:44.029 --> 00:33:48.190 to open up and to accept that veteran. So a veteran 00:33:48.190 --> 00:33:51.289 can re -assimilate some of their same duties, 00:33:51.430 --> 00:33:53.289 some of the duties they won't have anymore. And 00:33:53.289 --> 00:33:55.509 when I left, before I left, I paid the bills. 00:33:55.670 --> 00:33:58.029 I was in charge all of my answers. Now I'm home, 00:33:58.089 --> 00:34:01.130 I've been home six months. I haven't paid a bill 00:34:01.130 --> 00:34:03.490 since I've been home because my wife has assumed 00:34:03.490 --> 00:34:10.639 the responsibility. And she, yeah, she's... I 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:12.320 don't know. She likes holding the checkbook, 00:34:12.380 --> 00:34:17.880 I guess. I don't know. I was going to say we 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:19.900 have a question from a caller for you three gentlemen. 00:34:20.420 --> 00:34:22.900 We have Joan. Joan, you're welcome to Veterans 00:34:22.900 --> 00:34:26.300 Radio. Well, thank you. I'm so glad that you're 00:34:26.300 --> 00:34:29.280 speaking about this topic. And I was just wondering 00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:34.159 if veterans are having difficulty with a therapist 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:38.599 or something with the VA. Can they contact you 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:41.119 or what should they do? Mr. Anderman, do you 00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:42.800 want to go ahead? Do you have an answer for that? 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:49.800 Well, again, that's an individual case, but depending 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:53.400 on the level of treatment and the level of dissatisfaction 00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:58.639 a person is experiencing, I mean, ideally, a 00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.599 mental health professional is going to help assist 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:07.619 a client to achieve you know, maximum benefits. 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:09.639 So if they're feeling like, well, OK, I notice 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:11.920 you're not doing well here. Let me try and hook 00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.920 you up with somebody. But if they're frustrated 00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:22.659 with the VA, the real issue becomes in every 00:35:22.659 --> 00:35:24.260 stage. Excuse me. Could you speak a little louder? 00:35:24.579 --> 00:35:27.420 I can hardly hear you. Sorry about that. Yes. 00:35:28.179 --> 00:35:32.630 What I look for is the availability of treatment 00:35:32.630 --> 00:35:34.889 providers in an area. If somebody comes to me 00:35:34.889 --> 00:35:36.369 and they say, well, I've been seeing the VA, 00:35:36.469 --> 00:35:39.630 but I'm not happy about it, then my job is to 00:35:39.630 --> 00:35:41.670 try and hook somebody up and make a referral 00:35:41.670 --> 00:35:46.829 so that they can get the help they want as soon 00:35:46.829 --> 00:35:49.389 as possible. And that's one of the things for 00:35:49.389 --> 00:35:52.929 the STAR Behavioral Health Program is to, we're 00:35:52.929 --> 00:35:55.550 going to have a registry of ideally a thousand 00:35:55.550 --> 00:35:58.070 therapists in the state of Michigan where people 00:35:58.070 --> 00:36:00.829 are going to be able to go online. and identify 00:36:00.829 --> 00:36:04.150 who's had the training in their area that is 00:36:04.150 --> 00:36:09.110 accepting clients. And at that point, it's almost 00:36:09.110 --> 00:36:13.530 an immediate referral system. The question outlines 00:36:13.530 --> 00:36:16.869 one of the problems that exists and one of the 00:36:16.869 --> 00:36:20.710 founding reasons and establishment for the STAR 00:36:20.710 --> 00:36:25.489 Behavioral Health Providers Network. Chappam 00:36:25.489 --> 00:36:29.260 Wepley, do you have anything to add? If I understand 00:36:29.260 --> 00:36:32.960 the question is, what to do if a soldier's having 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.019 problems with the services they're receiving, 00:36:35.260 --> 00:36:41.300 is that correct? Yes, that's correct. Okay. Now, 00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:46.159 I'm always available, but I can't do everything. 00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:49.420 So I'm more than happy to help out. Soldiers 00:36:49.420 --> 00:36:52.139 in my unit come to me and they often deal with 00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:56.079 an issue of, you know, I was in therapy and the... 00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:58.500 therapists, they just don't get it. They're a 00:36:58.500 --> 00:37:04.019 quack. First off is I try to listen to what the 00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:07.659 problem is. If I'm not able to fully understand 00:37:07.659 --> 00:37:11.219 the problem, then I can't fully help them. And 00:37:11.219 --> 00:37:13.539 that requires time. Listen to what's going on. 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:19.219 Sometimes I just need to vent. And then don't 00:37:19.219 --> 00:37:21.739 be shocked either if a soldier complains about... 00:37:21.769 --> 00:37:25.349 the services they give to VA because Michigan 00:37:25.349 --> 00:37:30.110 was rated the worst VA in the U .S. and we were 00:37:30.110 --> 00:37:32.989 beat by Guam and Puerto Rico. We're so far down 00:37:32.989 --> 00:37:35.590 on the food chain when it comes to VA services. 00:37:37.190 --> 00:37:41.050 So that's very common for soldiers to complain 00:37:41.050 --> 00:37:44.309 about VA services. It's awful that soldiers go 00:37:44.309 --> 00:37:48.769 overseas, they... to fight a different demographic 00:37:48.769 --> 00:37:51.630 of people and a demographic of people that's 00:37:51.630 --> 00:37:55.090 very similar to them happens to work at the VA 00:37:55.090 --> 00:37:59.289 quite a bit, especially with your doctors. Soldiers 00:37:59.289 --> 00:38:03.050 view some of those individuals that are treating 00:38:03.050 --> 00:38:06.730 them at the VA as the enemy. Why did I go overseas 00:38:06.730 --> 00:38:09.090 and fight this particular type of person just 00:38:09.090 --> 00:38:11.769 to come home and be treated by them? And so that 00:38:11.769 --> 00:38:15.989 creates an immediate wall. And just like Tom 00:38:15.989 --> 00:38:20.659 said, I have a network of mental health counselors 00:38:20.659 --> 00:38:23.059 that I'm friends with, that I hang out with, 00:38:23.139 --> 00:38:25.619 and I can refer a soldier on if they're having 00:38:25.619 --> 00:38:30.659 a problem. They need somebody who understands 00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:31.739 what they're going through a little bit more, 00:38:31.820 --> 00:38:33.719 or maybe not even understands, but who is good 00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:36.820 at working with them. And so I'd refer them. 00:38:36.969 --> 00:38:39.409 Okay, and it sounds like, I'm sorry to interrupt 00:38:39.409 --> 00:38:41.829 Chaplain Lepley, it sounds like one of the problems 00:38:41.829 --> 00:38:44.809 that, correct me if I'm wrong, Joan and Chaplain 00:38:44.809 --> 00:38:48.190 Lepley, is that Joan, your problem is where to 00:38:48.190 --> 00:38:50.269 find this information if somebody's not getting 00:38:50.269 --> 00:38:53.090 the help that they need. And I believe some of 00:38:53.090 --> 00:38:54.769 this information can be found on the website, 00:38:54.989 --> 00:38:57.949 starproviders .org. Am I correct, Chaplain Lepley? 00:38:58.210 --> 00:39:00.889 That is correct. When you go to the website, 00:39:01.150 --> 00:39:03.829 the first thing you'll see is a picture of the 00:39:03.829 --> 00:39:07.280 continental United States. and you'll see Michigan 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.920 and Indiana are highlighted in blue. Click on 00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:14.639 Michigan, if they are from Michigan, and it'll 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.619 ask a question, are you a provider or are you 00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:18.900 a service member? If they're a service member, 00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:21.840 then click service member, and it'll take them 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.340 to a page where they can click the link that 00:39:24.340 --> 00:39:28.659 says along the line to find a provider. That's 00:39:28.659 --> 00:39:30.920 a provider registry. And then all that registry 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:36.519 states is that that practitioner has received 00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:39.980 the Tier 1 training that they have malpractice 00:39:39.980 --> 00:39:42.280 insurance, that they have a license in good standing, 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:44.679 and that they're taking on new clients. We'll 00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:48.599 also, on that spreadsheet, also indicate whether 00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:53.480 or not they take TRICARE or are boarded by Military 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.679 One Source. Military One Source is an hour grade 00:39:56.679 --> 00:40:01.019 tool, too, for referrals. All Military One Sources, 00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:05.239 it's just a referral agency. So a soldier can 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:08.659 call up Military OneSource and request mental 00:40:08.659 --> 00:40:10.960 health counseling and they can get 12 free sessions 00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:12.340 of mental health counseling through Military 00:40:12.340 --> 00:40:16.699 OneSource with a local practitioner. And the 00:40:16.699 --> 00:40:19.780 other nice thing with Military OneSource is they 00:40:19.780 --> 00:40:22.219 can take and if they have a problem with their 00:40:22.219 --> 00:40:24.079 therapist, which is the heart of the question 00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:26.360 here, that they can call Military OneSource. 00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:29.639 Again, the person's a quack and Military OneSource 00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:31.679 will actually terminate the sessions for the 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.590 soldier. and get the soldier hooked up with another 00:40:34.590 --> 00:40:38.889 mental health professional because not all therapists 00:40:38.889 --> 00:40:42.650 are going to work for all people. I hope that 00:40:42.650 --> 00:40:44.309 answers your question, Joan. I want to thank 00:40:44.309 --> 00:40:46.329 you for being on Veterans Radio today, for joining 00:40:46.329 --> 00:40:48.329 us. We're going to take a quick break. We'll 00:40:48.329 --> 00:40:50.949 be back with Tom Anderman, Captain Nicholas Anderson, 00:40:51.130 --> 00:40:53.389 and Chaplain Paul Lepley. Stay tuned. And welcome 00:40:53.389 --> 00:40:55.690 back to Veterans Radio. Again, if you have a 00:40:55.690 --> 00:40:57.690 question for our guests today, the number is 00:40:57.690 --> 00:41:06.530 877 -573 -7825. Again, 877 -573 -7825. And Chaplain 00:41:06.530 --> 00:41:08.610 Lepley, I have something I wanted to get to and 00:41:08.610 --> 00:41:12.489 talk about. One of your other distinctions is 00:41:12.489 --> 00:41:15.969 you're the secretary of board for Zero Day. I 00:41:15.969 --> 00:41:17.829 know you talked about with me earlier this week 00:41:17.829 --> 00:41:19.630 that that is a program that you were launching 00:41:19.630 --> 00:41:21.750 this week. Can you tell me a little bit about 00:41:21.750 --> 00:41:24.650 Zero Day, what it is and how it can benefit everyone 00:41:24.650 --> 00:41:29.329 out there? Zero Day, we are still in our infancy 00:41:29.329 --> 00:41:34.809 so there's only so much I can say. But we have 00:41:34.809 --> 00:41:37.789 a group of people who are very successful in 00:41:37.789 --> 00:41:43.409 working with vets and more towards the job retraining, 00:41:44.190 --> 00:41:46.690 comprehensive work therapy type models that we'll 00:41:46.690 --> 00:41:51.969 be using to take a veteran who may have fallen 00:41:51.969 --> 00:41:57.030 on hard times and get them retrained. We have 00:41:57.030 --> 00:42:01.349 an accredited teacher, a master carpenter. who 00:42:01.349 --> 00:42:03.250 can actually teach a class that they can actually 00:42:03.250 --> 00:42:05.710 get college credit for. We're working towards 00:42:05.710 --> 00:42:09.889 getting the college credit so we can award them 00:42:09.889 --> 00:42:11.889 legally so that way they can transfer to other 00:42:11.889 --> 00:42:16.730 universities. And it's more along the construction 00:42:16.730 --> 00:42:18.650 trades right now, but we look at branching out 00:42:18.650 --> 00:42:21.949 into a bunch of other trades. And one thing about 00:42:21.949 --> 00:42:25.809 Zero Data sets us apart from all these other 00:42:25.809 --> 00:42:29.030 agencies who try to help veterans with job retraining 00:42:29.030 --> 00:42:34.829 or... just job placement is that Zero Day actually 00:42:34.829 --> 00:42:38.010 has a support services branch. So all the veterans 00:42:38.010 --> 00:42:42.730 that come in, they'll be screened by myself or 00:42:42.730 --> 00:42:46.690 another mental health counselor. And we'll see, 00:42:47.130 --> 00:42:49.610 do a little bit of maybe a Myers -Briggs type 00:42:49.610 --> 00:42:52.070 inventory or something along those lines to figure 00:42:52.070 --> 00:42:55.349 out what type of jobs may be interesting to them 00:42:55.349 --> 00:42:59.079 or something that they may want to do. And also 00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:02.699 we'll be able to assess their biopsychosocial 00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:06.960 status. So we're not just going to take a soldier 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:08.940 and feed them to the wolf, so to speak, and say, 00:43:08.980 --> 00:43:10.460 oh, yes, you're going to go work in construction 00:43:10.460 --> 00:43:13.219 and they're quadriplegic. Or you're going to 00:43:13.219 --> 00:43:15.820 go work in construction and they might have severe 00:43:15.820 --> 00:43:20.599 PTSD where a nail gun going off may make them 00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:23.860 flinch every single time they hear it. So we'll 00:43:23.860 --> 00:43:27.710 match them with a career that's more suited for 00:43:27.710 --> 00:43:29.349 them, and plus we'll work with them through it. 00:43:30.789 --> 00:43:34.889 So myself or another therapist can actually go 00:43:34.889 --> 00:43:40.070 on the job site and see how the soldiers are 00:43:40.070 --> 00:43:42.269 doing, or the veterans are doing, make sure that 00:43:42.269 --> 00:43:44.769 they're assimilating well, that everything's 00:43:44.769 --> 00:43:49.170 going well for them. And at the end of the day, 00:43:49.389 --> 00:43:52.190 they pick up a valuable skill, a valuable trait 00:43:52.190 --> 00:43:55.130 that they can take with them anywhere. They have 00:43:55.130 --> 00:43:57.590 the time to get back on their feet. It falls 00:43:57.590 --> 00:44:01.269 under the idea of you've got to stabilize and 00:44:01.269 --> 00:44:06.969 then assess and then relaunch. So yeah, it gives 00:44:06.969 --> 00:44:09.449 them that time to stabilize and get things under 00:44:09.449 --> 00:44:11.230 control before they move on with the rest of 00:44:11.230 --> 00:44:13.769 their life. OK. Mr. Anderman, something I wanted 00:44:13.769 --> 00:44:16.329 to ask you. When I spoke to you earlier this 00:44:16.329 --> 00:44:18.570 week, you had told me that you're present for 00:44:18.570 --> 00:44:21.679 all the reintegration ceremonies, correct? Yes. 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:23.900 And I'm assuming that's like the yellow ribbon 00:44:23.900 --> 00:44:28.139 ceremonies that soldiers we partake in a couple 00:44:28.139 --> 00:44:30.239 months after we return from deployment, correct? 00:44:30.780 --> 00:44:32.860 Yes, sir. Okay, so I wanted to get that information 00:44:32.860 --> 00:44:34.679 out there because I'm sure we have a lot of listeners 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.400 inside the state of Michigan who still have soldiers 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:41.130 deployed. and this way they know what to look 00:44:41.130 --> 00:44:44.329 for. They can come speak to you about any problems 00:44:44.329 --> 00:44:45.849 that they might have or issues that they might 00:44:45.849 --> 00:44:48.210 have once their soldier comes home from deployment 00:44:48.210 --> 00:44:49.809 to let them know that. I'm going to interrupt. 00:44:50.110 --> 00:44:52.530 What was your yellow ribbon ceremony called? 00:44:53.510 --> 00:44:55.949 Captain Anderson, do you want to inform a little 00:44:55.949 --> 00:44:57.989 bit about the yellow ribbon that we partake in? 00:44:58.170 --> 00:45:02.170 So what we do for Michigan National Guard airmen 00:45:02.170 --> 00:45:06.460 and soldiers. About 45 to 60 days after post 00:45:06.460 --> 00:45:09.960 deployment, after they come home, we do a reintegration 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:14.760 workshop weekend. We bring in the unit. to a 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:17.980 resort -like facility, Grand Traverse Resort 00:45:17.980 --> 00:45:21.579 or Amway Grand. And we spend the weekend with 00:45:21.579 --> 00:45:24.460 the service member and their family and talk 00:45:24.460 --> 00:45:27.860 about what resources they have available. And 00:45:27.860 --> 00:45:32.900 also we discuss issues or topics of what they 00:45:32.900 --> 00:45:36.739 may be facing as far as anger management, unemployment, 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:42.090 just you name it, marital issues. And Tom Anderman, 00:45:42.090 --> 00:45:45.329 he speaks about multiple different things as 00:45:45.329 --> 00:45:48.289 far as emotional and mental issues that the service 00:45:48.289 --> 00:45:52.389 members or the family members might pop up post 00:45:52.389 --> 00:45:54.210 -deployment more or less. Mr. Anderman, do you 00:45:54.210 --> 00:45:56.409 want to add to that a little bit on what you 00:45:56.409 --> 00:45:58.050 speak about to the soldiers and their family 00:45:58.050 --> 00:46:02.730 members? Well, the regular presentations are 00:46:02.730 --> 00:46:08.240 on addiction and traumatic brain injury. Try 00:46:08.240 --> 00:46:11.820 to number one make people aware of what kind 00:46:11.820 --> 00:46:14.099 of problems they're going to incur with the use 00:46:14.099 --> 00:46:18.519 of alcohol or any illicit substance or abuse 00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:23.320 of legal pharmaceuticals. The emotional process 00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:27.260 of reintegration to assuming, trying to reintegrate 00:46:27.260 --> 00:46:31.440 and assume normal life, it's just impeded by 00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:35.260 use of those. how that complicates family matters, 00:46:35.739 --> 00:46:39.360 and then try to displace some of the misunderstandings 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:43.860 regarding traumatic brain injury, what can be 00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:45.760 done, what can't be done, what people need to 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.440 do to take care of themselves. And then I try 00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:51.900 to get people to understand that when you come 00:46:51.900 --> 00:46:55.809 home, Suffering from whatever experience you 00:46:55.809 --> 00:46:59.030 had in deployment is really, you know, doesn't 00:46:59.030 --> 00:47:03.670 have to be an ongoing lifelong disability. Treatment's 00:47:03.670 --> 00:47:09.989 available for people and there really are some 00:47:09.989 --> 00:47:12.750 very good established therapies that help people 00:47:12.750 --> 00:47:15.880 with PTSD if that's what they have. And then 00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:18.460 the big thing is trying to get people to understand 00:47:18.460 --> 00:47:22.079 that a lot of the symptomology that is identified 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.880 with PTSD, just because you're experiencing that 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:29.840 doesn't mean you have PTSD. And that those symptoms 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:34.760 can be treated and you can go on your life without 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.039 having that bother you. A lot of people think 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.039 they're just, well, that's going to happen. I'm 00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.409 this way now. It's really not the case. I try 00:47:42.409 --> 00:47:44.869 to get people to understand there's good ways 00:47:44.869 --> 00:47:47.130 to treat these things to resume normal life. 00:47:49.989 --> 00:47:52.949 Because we focus mainly on the reserve component, 00:47:53.130 --> 00:47:55.369 the Army Reserve, Army National Guard, Air National 00:47:55.369 --> 00:47:58.130 Guard. You know, I had an active duty officer 00:47:58.130 --> 00:48:00.409 ask me one time when I was in Afghanistan, when 00:48:00.409 --> 00:48:02.190 I go home, what am I going to do? And I was like, 00:48:02.210 --> 00:48:03.170 well, you know, I'm probably going to go back 00:48:03.170 --> 00:48:05.789 to my civilian career. And it was almost hard 00:48:05.789 --> 00:48:07.789 for him to fathom that you could be in a combat 00:48:07.789 --> 00:48:10.590 zone. And then, you know, a month after you go 00:48:10.590 --> 00:48:13.349 home, you go back to working at the bank or you 00:48:13.349 --> 00:48:16.829 go back working at Best Buy or something. And 00:48:16.829 --> 00:48:19.309 that's one of the issues that our soldiers face. 00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.860 is that it's getting back to the civilian lifestyle. 00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:27.079 And also on the active duty side, you come home 00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:28.960 from a deployment, you take your leave, but then 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:30.659 you go back to your base with all your buddies 00:48:30.659 --> 00:48:32.639 that you were deployed with. In the National 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:34.820 Guard and the Reserves, you don't get that. You 00:48:34.820 --> 00:48:37.400 come home and you just go to the four ones of 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.960 the state of Michigan. And like myself, I was 00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.159 on a team of 12 guys in Afghanistan and I didn't 00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:46.519 see some of them for six, seven months. And it's 00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:48.869 not so much the... the stress of coming on. But 00:48:48.869 --> 00:48:51.369 there's like the separation that that was what 00:48:51.369 --> 00:48:53.949 hurt the most is that I spent 15 months with 00:48:53.949 --> 00:48:56.389 some of these guys and then they were just gone. 00:48:56.510 --> 00:48:58.989 And it was, you know, they were my security blanket 00:48:58.989 --> 00:49:01.710 for a year and a half almost. And that's what 00:49:01.710 --> 00:49:06.829 hurt the most, I think. Yeah. I know that's what 00:49:06.829 --> 00:49:08.690 the chaplain monthly and I spoke about earlier 00:49:08.690 --> 00:49:10.530 this week is that there is no active duty base 00:49:10.530 --> 00:49:12.610 in the state of Michigan. We have such a large 00:49:12.610 --> 00:49:16.900 veteran population in this state. So and a chaplain 00:49:16.900 --> 00:49:21.179 lovely any last thoughts I Know just I would 00:49:21.179 --> 00:49:23.760 like to encourage anybody who would like to attend 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.599 the training we have one coming up next week 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.920 itself rich Registration closes today. So hurry 00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:33.019 up And they can register website they can register 00:49:33.019 --> 00:49:38.500 at star providers org that is correct Yeah, and 00:49:38.500 --> 00:49:41.639 it's it's about creating awareness and respecting 00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:47.050 the military subculture and being able to help 00:49:47.050 --> 00:49:49.909 those who sacrifice so much for the freedoms 00:49:49.909 --> 00:49:55.289 that we all enjoy. Okay. Well, I want to thank 00:49:55.289 --> 00:49:57.170 you gentlemen for being on today on Veterans 00:49:57.170 --> 00:49:59.329 Radio. I really do appreciate it. We got some 00:49:59.329 --> 00:50:01.230 good awareness out there on this topic, a lot 00:50:01.230 --> 00:50:03.429 of good information out there for our listeners, 00:50:03.570 --> 00:50:05.570 and I think a lot of people will benefit from 00:50:05.570 --> 00:50:09.090 this information. know that there is a change 00:50:09.090 --> 00:50:11.309 being made across the state, across mental health 00:50:11.309 --> 00:50:14.110 providers, and that soldiers don't have to worry 00:50:14.110 --> 00:50:16.329 so much about going to see those mental health 00:50:16.329 --> 00:50:18.309 providers. They're now going to get the help 00:50:18.309 --> 00:50:20.130 that they need, and the providers are going to 00:50:20.130 --> 00:50:22.710 understand where they're coming from. Absolutely. 00:50:23.550 --> 00:50:26.389 Okay. Brian, I think you did a great job today, 00:50:26.409 --> 00:50:30.639 and I want to make sure that you... This is Brian's 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:32.460 solo flight as a host, and we want to thank him 00:50:32.460 --> 00:50:34.760 so much for putting the program together and 00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:37.079 bringing his guests on. I think it's very, very 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.239 valuable, and I want to thank all the guests 00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:41.840 today that have been on Veterans Radio. So good 00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:44.820 job. Thank you. All right. Mr. Anderman, thank 00:50:44.820 --> 00:50:47.039 you. Chaplain Mupply, again, thank you very much. 00:50:47.099 --> 00:50:49.300 I do appreciate it very much for coming on air 00:50:49.300 --> 00:50:52.539 with us today and sharing what you've been doing 00:50:52.539 --> 00:50:55.019 around the state. Appreciate it. Thank you very 00:50:55.019 --> 00:50:58.420 much for having us. Thank you. All right, Brian 00:50:58.420 --> 00:51:01.360 good job as I said whew now you can breathe a 00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:03.500 little bit. 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