WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.740 Veterans Radio is dedicated to all the men and 00:00:02.740 --> 00:00:04.580 women who have served or are currently serving 00:00:04.580 --> 00:00:07.019 in the armed forces of the United States of America. 00:00:32.029 --> 00:00:34.750 And good morning America and welcome to Veterans 00:00:34.750 --> 00:00:37.030 Radio. We're so excited to be here and we're 00:00:37.030 --> 00:00:39.130 so excited to have you listening to us around 00:00:39.130 --> 00:00:41.969 the world. We want to say good morning to all 00:00:41.969 --> 00:00:45.570 of our service members here locally and also 00:00:45.570 --> 00:00:47.710 as I mentioned around the world. Today's program 00:00:47.710 --> 00:00:49.890 is especially for you and it's for your families 00:00:49.890 --> 00:00:53.469 also. We're going to be talking about PTSD, traumatic 00:00:53.469 --> 00:00:56.750 brain injuries and suicide. The number of suicides 00:00:56.750 --> 00:01:00.350 for returning troops is escalating at an astronomical 00:01:00.350 --> 00:01:02.659 number. And so we're going to be talking about 00:01:02.659 --> 00:01:06.540 that today with two of our guests. Here in the 00:01:06.540 --> 00:01:10.280 studio with me is Eric Amberg, a PhD who practices 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:12.900 neuropsychology here in Ann Arbor. And joining 00:01:12.900 --> 00:01:15.019 us on the line will be Jerry Yellen, a World 00:01:15.019 --> 00:01:17.640 War II fighter pilot who fought his own demons 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:20.219 for 30 years until he learned about Transcendental 00:01:20.219 --> 00:01:22.439 Meditation. And so we're going to be talking 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:26.060 about those alternative treatments to this problem 00:01:26.060 --> 00:01:28.760 of PTSD and how we're going to be able to help 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:30.579 out our veterans as they're coming home, not 00:01:30.579 --> 00:01:35.079 only from the current conflicts, but also from 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:37.920 the past. Many Vietnam veterans, even World War 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:39.959 II and Korea and so forth, are still struggling 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:43.060 with these demons that I like to call them. And 00:01:43.060 --> 00:01:44.840 so we're going to have some opportunities to 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:47.650 talk about that today. on Veterans Radio. If 00:01:47.650 --> 00:01:49.450 you'd like to get in on the conversation, you 00:01:49.450 --> 00:01:54.209 can give us a call at 877 -573 -7825. That's 00:01:54.209 --> 00:02:01.370 877 -573 -7825. But before we do that, there's 00:02:01.370 --> 00:02:04.290 a program going on here in the Detroit area by 00:02:04.290 --> 00:02:07.209 one of our local mortgage lenders, and I want 00:02:07.209 --> 00:02:13.270 to bring on from them as our guest for the morning. 00:02:13.580 --> 00:02:16.580 And that's Michelle Salvatore. And Michelle is 00:02:16.580 --> 00:02:19.020 the Director of Public Relations, I believe, 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:21.819 in hiring for Quicken Loans. And Quicken Loans 00:02:21.819 --> 00:02:24.419 in Detroit is holding a job fair next weekend. 00:02:25.099 --> 00:02:27.240 And there's a special thing about it. Michelle, 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.139 welcome to Veterans Radio. Well, thank you. Good 00:02:30.139 --> 00:02:32.900 morning. Good morning to you. So tell me what 00:02:32.900 --> 00:02:36.620 Quicken Loans is up to. So we are actually having 00:02:36.620 --> 00:02:39.280 a career fair on Saturday, April 28th. It's at 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:43.279 the Confuware Building downtown Detroit. And 00:02:43.279 --> 00:02:46.460 from 10 to 11, we'll be meeting with U .S. veterans 00:02:46.460 --> 00:02:49.719 and members of military families. It's just another 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:52.319 way that we'd like to recognize and support the 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.300 service of active members of the armed forces, 00:02:55.419 --> 00:02:57.259 the veterans, and the families. And all of those 00:02:57.259 --> 00:02:59.719 have served in our nation. Well, I think this 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:02.520 is a great opportunity for some veterans that 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:04.340 are looking for work, and it doesn't necessarily 00:03:04.340 --> 00:03:07.919 have to be from the current conflicts. Especially 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:09.439 in Michigan, there are a lot of people looking 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:13.250 for work. and the idea that they can come down 00:03:13.250 --> 00:03:15.729 a little bit earlier than the regular population, 00:03:15.849 --> 00:03:17.650 I think will definitely be to their benefit. 00:03:18.669 --> 00:03:20.689 Yeah, absolutely. We're really excited about 00:03:20.689 --> 00:03:22.530 it. Is there anything that they should bring 00:03:22.530 --> 00:03:25.650 along with them? I would say make sure you have 00:03:25.650 --> 00:03:28.430 a couple copies of your resume. Our recruiters 00:03:28.430 --> 00:03:31.409 are ready to go. We're hoping to start extending 00:03:31.409 --> 00:03:33.830 offers on the spot, so they'll actually even 00:03:33.830 --> 00:03:36.050 be able to talk to some of the hiring leaders 00:03:36.050 --> 00:03:38.610 for the different areas of the company. It's 00:03:38.610 --> 00:03:41.199 truly a career fair like like they've really 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:45.560 never seen. It's not, you know, the typical career 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:47.599 fair where you go in and there's lots of companies 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:49.780 and people kind of sitting behind a table. This 00:03:49.780 --> 00:03:52.800 is interaction with our team leaders right there 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:55.740 on site in our building talking about positions 00:03:55.740 --> 00:03:58.479 that they are hiring for. So they're kind of 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:00.240 having a mini interview right then and there 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:03.240 and then they talk to a recruiter. It's really 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:05.860 a lot of fun and really gets us involved with 00:04:05.860 --> 00:04:09.539 everybody who's there. What kind of job opportunities 00:04:09.539 --> 00:04:13.000 are you talking about? All areas of the company, 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.339 technology, operations, mortgage banking, really 00:04:16.339 --> 00:04:19.220 anything that you can think of that a normal 00:04:19.220 --> 00:04:21.560 company would hire for. There is really more 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:23.480 to quick amounts than what most people think. 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:26.139 Most people think of us only as a mortgage company 00:04:26.139 --> 00:04:29.639 that all we do is sell loans. And the reality 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:32.399 is that there's really so much more to us. We're 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.459 a technology company. We're a marketing company. 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:37.680 We're really a people company. We really give 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:40.500 back to our clients. We're looking for individuals 00:04:40.500 --> 00:04:43.699 who are really passionate and motivated to help 00:04:43.699 --> 00:04:45.800 and learn and make a difference, both with Quick 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:48.800 & Mounds and with their clients. Well, it sounds 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:50.779 like a great opportunity for everybody in the 00:04:50.779 --> 00:04:53.980 Detroit area, but especially for veterans. So 00:04:53.980 --> 00:04:56.279 again, that is... Give me the date and the time 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:58.860 again, please, Michelle. Absolutely. It's Saturday, 00:04:58.980 --> 00:05:01.740 April 28th in the Compuware building at 1050 00:05:01.740 --> 00:05:04.819 Woodward Avenue. And from 10 to 11, we'll be 00:05:04.819 --> 00:05:07.459 meeting with U .S. veterans and members of military 00:05:07.459 --> 00:05:11.600 families. And if they want to apply online, they 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:14.899 can go to quickenloanscareers .com or you can 00:05:14.899 --> 00:05:17.600 always reach out to us directly on our 800 number. 00:05:17.740 --> 00:05:22.620 It's 1 -800 -411 -JOBS. Okay. Michelle Salvador 00:05:22.620 --> 00:05:25.529 of Quicken Loans. Next Saturday, you guys out 00:05:25.529 --> 00:05:27.250 there, men and women, there's an opportunity 00:05:27.250 --> 00:05:29.389 for you to go on down to Detroit, the Compuware 00:05:29.389 --> 00:05:31.889 Center. Sounds like a good opportunity. Thank 00:05:31.889 --> 00:05:34.990 you so very much, Michelle, and good luck. Thank 00:05:34.990 --> 00:05:37.029 you. Thanks for having us. Okay. My pleasure. 00:05:37.310 --> 00:05:41.670 Thank you. All right. So those of you out here 00:05:41.670 --> 00:05:43.670 that are looking for work, head on down to the 00:05:43.670 --> 00:05:46.790 Compuware Center and Quicken Loans. And I was 00:05:46.790 --> 00:05:49.189 just reading their information that they sent 00:05:49.189 --> 00:05:50.949 me. It says one of the best companies to work 00:05:50.949 --> 00:05:54.660 for. So good luck. to all of you out there. We're 00:05:54.660 --> 00:05:56.420 going to be taking a break right now and then 00:05:56.420 --> 00:05:57.639 we're going to be coming back and we're going 00:05:57.639 --> 00:05:59.819 to be talking with Jerry Yellen about Transcendental 00:05:59.819 --> 00:06:04.100 Meditation and ways that we can help you or a 00:06:04.100 --> 00:06:06.680 family member deal with some of their issues 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:08.699 that they brought back with them from their service 00:06:08.699 --> 00:06:21.199 around the world. 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You helped us. Now let us 00:07:07.529 --> 00:07:19.220 help you. Semper Fi. We're back on Veterans Radio 00:07:19.220 --> 00:07:21.980 and I just wanted to read a headline from the 00:07:21.980 --> 00:07:26.579 New York Times from last Sunday. It says, an 00:07:26.579 --> 00:07:28.959 American soldier dies every day and a half on 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:31.819 average in Iraq and Afghanistan. Veterans kill 00:07:31.819 --> 00:07:34.319 themselves at the rate of one every 80 minutes. 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:37.439 More than 6 ,500 veteran suicides are logged 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:40.000 every year, more than the total number of soldiers 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:43.180 killed in Afghanistan and Iraq combined since 00:07:43.180 --> 00:07:45.920 those wars began. This is a subject that we feel 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:49.060 is very important to talk about. The VA just 00:07:49.060 --> 00:07:53.319 came out with another announcement later last 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:55.439 week, and that is that the Department of Veterans 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:57.639 Affairs says it's increasing its staff of mental 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:01.779 health workers by roughly 1 ,900. The VA secretary 00:08:01.779 --> 00:08:04.240 announced the plan on Thursday saying that the 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:07.240 government must make sure all veterans have adequate 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.879 access to healthcare. The department plans to 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:13.800 add roughly 1 ,600 clinicians and about 300 support 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:17.319 staff to an existing mental health staff of roughly 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:21.060 20 ,000. The department says it will begin recruiting 00:08:21.060 --> 00:08:25.220 immediately. We're not going to talk about traditional 00:08:25.220 --> 00:08:28.100 treatment for PTSD and TBI today. We're going 00:08:28.100 --> 00:08:30.360 to be talking about what I call alternative treatments. 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.159 And one of our, we've got two guests joining 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:38.360 me in the studio right now. is Dr. Eric Amberg, 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:41.960 who practices neuropsychology here in Ann Arbor. 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:44.759 Dr. Amberg, welcome to Veterans Radio. Thank 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:48.399 you. Nice to be here. Joining me on the line 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:53.179 right now also is from Fairfield, Iowa, is Jerry 00:08:53.179 --> 00:08:56.120 Yellen. Jerry is a World War II fighter pilot 00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:00.059 who had his own problems after World War II. 00:09:00.100 --> 00:09:02.700 For 30 years, until he discovered Transcendental 00:09:02.700 --> 00:09:07.559 Meditation, finally found something that helped 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:09.659 him out. Jerry, I want to welcome you back to 00:09:09.659 --> 00:09:12.320 Veterans Radio. Nice to be here, Dale. Thank 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:14.559 you. I wanted to remind our audience that we 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:17.639 talked with Jerry, I guess it was two years ago 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:20.820 now. Jerry is a writer and I met him through 00:09:20.820 --> 00:09:24.919 the Military Writer Society and he wrote a story 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:27.899 about his experiences at Iwo Jima and also about 00:09:27.899 --> 00:09:31.740 his experiences dealing with his PTSD and he's 00:09:31.740 --> 00:09:34.220 got a new book out. which I have not had the 00:09:34.220 --> 00:09:36.120 opportunity to read, and I hate to admit that, 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:40.580 but it's entitled The Resilient Warrior. And 00:09:40.580 --> 00:09:42.159 Jerry, I want you to kind of tell me a little 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:46.720 bit about how you got involved with TM. Well, 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:51.500 I was enlisted in the Army Air Corps two months 00:09:51.500 --> 00:09:54.860 after Pearl Harbor at the age of 18, and I graduated 00:09:54.860 --> 00:09:58.559 from flying school at the age of 19 as a fighter 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:02.500 pilot and joined the 78th Fighter Squadron. in 00:10:02.500 --> 00:10:07.840 Hawaii and on March 7, 1945, I flew a P -51 onto 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:12.600 Iwo Jima. I saw the remnants of 28 ,000 bodies 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:15.919 and 90 ,000 people fighting on eight square miles 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:20.480 of land, flew 19 missions over Japan, had a leadership 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.200 position, shot down four Japanese airplanes. 00:10:24.500 --> 00:10:28.679 And one day, the war ended and I came home and 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:32.460 I had nothing. I didn't have any buddies, I didn't 00:10:32.460 --> 00:10:34.759 have any purpose in life, I didn't have any mission 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:37.940 to do, and I didn't have any education or background, 00:10:38.299 --> 00:10:41.120 and I had an addictive behavior for 30 years. 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:44.480 And then my wife learned Transcendental Meditation, 00:10:44.580 --> 00:10:47.139 and I learned Transcendental Meditation, and 00:10:47.139 --> 00:10:52.039 I got my life back. It's not an alternative medical 00:10:52.039 --> 00:11:02.090 procedure, it's not an alternative. that warriors 00:11:02.090 --> 00:11:06.730 have used for years, for 5 ,000 years. And in 00:11:06.730 --> 00:11:11.409 2010, a young friend of mine committed suicide, 00:11:12.190 --> 00:11:15.470 and I started Operation Warrior Wellness with 00:11:15.470 --> 00:11:17.610 the David Lynch Foundation, and we're helping 00:11:17.610 --> 00:11:21.129 veterans all over the United States learn Transcendental 00:11:21.129 --> 00:11:24.750 Meditation. We all know what a computer is. We 00:11:24.750 --> 00:11:27.509 all know that if you have a virus in a computer, 00:11:30.350 --> 00:11:34.070 takes away the virus. Well, stress is the virus 00:11:34.070 --> 00:11:36.690 of the operating system of the mind, the brain, 00:11:37.710 --> 00:11:40.929 and stress causes violent behavior and depression 00:11:40.929 --> 00:11:47.070 and aggressiveness and despair and suicide. And 00:11:47.070 --> 00:11:50.830 transdental meditation reduces stress. That's 00:11:50.830 --> 00:11:55.009 about the best thing I can say. We're in a national 00:11:55.009 --> 00:12:28.470 crisis right at this moment. On May 3rd, meditation. 00:13:15.210 --> 00:13:18.149 The government is spending $15 to $18 billion 00:13:18.149 --> 00:13:22.230 a year on antipsychotic and antidepressant drugs 00:13:22.230 --> 00:13:26.990 that don't work. And for $1 ,000, $1 ,000, one 00:13:26.990 --> 00:13:52.360 time, one fee. It sounds like a great program, 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.419 Jerry, and it's Operation Warrior Wellness, and 00:13:56.419 --> 00:13:59.940 you can just go to their website, which is OperationWarriorWellness 00:13:59.940 --> 00:14:04.679 .org, and it's an encyclopedia of information 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:08.480 on there to help people find out where the classes 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:12.220 are available, what direction that you're going 00:14:12.220 --> 00:14:15.139 in and trying to raise awareness of this, and 00:14:15.139 --> 00:14:17.620 also gives you the opportunity to support them. 00:14:18.470 --> 00:14:20.610 It's interesting that what you were talking about, 00:14:20.690 --> 00:14:22.789 and I was talking with Dr. Amberg earlier this 00:14:22.789 --> 00:14:26.389 morning about the way that they traditionally 00:14:26.389 --> 00:14:31.210 treat PTSD is in a lot of cases that they just 00:14:31.210 --> 00:14:35.169 throw drugs at you. That's it. And that ends 00:14:35.169 --> 00:14:38.049 up masking I think a lot of the real problems 00:14:38.049 --> 00:14:42.049 that these men and women are having. And that 00:14:42.049 --> 00:14:44.169 what you're doing and what Dr. Amberg is going 00:14:44.169 --> 00:14:46.809 to talk about later on, is that you're looking 00:14:46.809 --> 00:14:50.929 at it from the entire body, not just a mental 00:14:50.929 --> 00:14:55.669 issue. Yeah, it's a mind -body thing, but I was 00:14:55.669 --> 00:14:59.990 in Camp Pendleton on Wednesday. I spoke to 75 00:14:59.990 --> 00:15:04.789 or 80 members of a wounded warrior battalion 00:15:04.789 --> 00:15:08.950 at Camp Pendleton. All these guys have mental 00:15:08.950 --> 00:15:12.070 wounds and physical wounds, and we're going to 00:15:12.070 --> 00:15:18.230 start a whole group of people. This is big stuff. 00:15:19.549 --> 00:15:22.210 It's been around for a long time. We have 30, 00:15:22.210 --> 00:15:26.690 40 ,000, 50 ,000 people who can teach Transcendental 00:15:26.690 --> 00:15:30.169 Meditation all over the country. We make it easy. 00:15:30.490 --> 00:15:34.470 It's five hours or six hours of instruction over 00:15:34.470 --> 00:15:38.370 a period of four or five days. And it's something 00:15:38.370 --> 00:15:41.889 that you have for yourself. Everybody knows what 00:15:41.889 --> 00:15:45.840 his own experience is in athletics. what you 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:49.120 think, it's how you think. Transcendental Meditation 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:56.080 is not a psychology or a religion or a belief 00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:01.580 system. It's a tool of how the brain works, how 00:16:01.580 --> 00:16:04.179 the brain thinks, and you learn to get into the 00:16:04.179 --> 00:16:07.600 zone 20 minutes a day, twice a day, and you get 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:46.909 the relief from this. 20 minutes a day, twice 00:16:46.909 --> 00:16:50.149 a day, you go from the surface level of thought 00:16:50.149 --> 00:16:54.629 to the deeper level of thought, and you get relief 00:16:54.629 --> 00:16:59.169 from stress. Scientifically, $28 million worth 00:16:59.169 --> 00:17:01.549 of research by the National Institute of Health 00:17:01.549 --> 00:17:05.269 over the last 30 years. The science is there, 00:17:05.990 --> 00:17:08.809 the knowledge is there, our willingness to do 00:17:08.809 --> 00:17:12.430 this is there, and we can help. Anybody wants 00:17:12.430 --> 00:17:14.630 to get in touch with me, just go to Operation 00:17:14.630 --> 00:17:20.069 Warrior Give me a name. Give me a place. We'll 00:17:20.069 --> 00:17:21.869 get somebody in touch with you, and if we can 00:17:21.869 --> 00:17:25.109 give you a scholarship, we will. I think that's 00:17:25.109 --> 00:17:28.130 a great opportunity, Jerry, and just to remind 00:17:28.130 --> 00:17:31.089 everybody that you can give us a call today. 00:17:31.130 --> 00:17:33.250 If you have a question, just call us here at 00:17:33.250 --> 00:17:41.869 877 -573 -7825. That's 877 -573 -7825. I want 00:17:41.869 --> 00:17:45.450 to bring Dr. Amberg on. here for a minute to 00:17:45.450 --> 00:17:50.269 talk about a little bit of your treatment. I'm 00:17:50.269 --> 00:17:54.150 going to strike the word alternative from my 00:17:54.150 --> 00:17:57.549 vocabulary for a while, but you are doing something 00:17:57.549 --> 00:18:00.170 also that involves the entire body and not just 00:18:00.170 --> 00:18:02.369 the mental part. Could you kind of explain what 00:18:02.369 --> 00:18:04.950 it is that you're doing? Well, what we have is 00:18:04.950 --> 00:18:08.089 an integrative medical approach that looks at 00:18:08.089 --> 00:18:11.789 the body's system, recognizing that when people 00:18:11.789 --> 00:18:14.799 experience trauma, every part of their being 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:18.420 is affected. In medicine we have specialties 00:18:18.420 --> 00:18:22.299 like neurology and endocrinology and immunology 00:18:22.299 --> 00:18:25.519 and cardiology. Without the recognition that 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:28.400 all of these systems are always in constant communication 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:31.339 and trauma is like dropping a boulder into the 00:18:31.339 --> 00:18:35.319 water and seeing everything affected. So it's 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:37.859 really a three -part area of integrative medicine. 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:41.750 One part is biology. The second part involves 00:18:41.750 --> 00:18:44.569 what we refer to as the gift that we all have 00:18:44.569 --> 00:18:47.829 or the DNA imperative that we have to achieve 00:18:47.829 --> 00:18:52.130 a direction and a purpose in life and that in 00:18:52.130 --> 00:18:54.269 order to do that we have to recognize that we 00:18:54.269 --> 00:18:57.849 do have a gift and it does have to become workable. 00:18:58.549 --> 00:19:00.670 If we're involved in combat for a prolonged period 00:19:00.670 --> 00:19:03.230 of time we get waylaid and we don't achieve that 00:19:03.230 --> 00:19:06.490 purpose and we get stuck in a place that goes 00:19:06.490 --> 00:19:09.410 round and round like a broken record. The third 00:19:09.410 --> 00:19:13.150 part of it is the spirituality part and that 00:19:13.150 --> 00:19:16.349 people have lost contact with their inner spirit 00:19:16.349 --> 00:19:20.650 or life force or soul and what we've just been 00:19:20.650 --> 00:19:23.529 hearing about is how do we make contact with 00:19:23.529 --> 00:19:26.170 that spiritual component regardless of what we 00:19:26.170 --> 00:19:30.130 refer to it as and so if we do it with PM or 00:19:30.130 --> 00:19:33.410 other forms of spirituality we are coming in 00:19:33.410 --> 00:19:36.309 contact with that life force that is essential 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:40.460 for our survival and our sense of well -being. 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:44.420 Well, how would you, when we were talking earlier, 00:19:44.619 --> 00:19:47.079 you went through the VA system, I mean you worked 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:48.880 through the VA system, so can you kind of tell 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:53.160 me how you came to this idea of what you want 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:58.799 to do? Well, on a previous broadcast, we had 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:04.549 talked about the notion that people suffer. And 00:20:04.549 --> 00:20:06.710 there was one gentleman that I had known at the 00:20:06.710 --> 00:20:11.589 VA who had significant PTSD since World War II, 00:20:11.910 --> 00:20:14.430 and it was at Normandy. And he never got broke 00:20:14.430 --> 00:20:16.470 loose of it. Again, that broken record went round 00:20:16.470 --> 00:20:18.349 and round, his stress was there, his depression 00:20:18.349 --> 00:20:23.230 was there. But he also had the DNA mandate. This 00:20:23.230 --> 00:20:25.730 was his sense of imperative that we all have 00:20:25.730 --> 00:20:29.069 a uniqueness within us that allows us to achieve 00:20:29.069 --> 00:20:32.170 a state of self -realization or actualization. 00:20:32.539 --> 00:20:36.480 Some of us are geared towards a carpentry, some 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:38.779 maybe mechanics, some maybe medicine, maybe some 00:20:38.779 --> 00:20:41.539 lore that makes us feel alive and gives us purpose. 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:45.960 This gentleman had carpentry and so when we introduced 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:48.339 him to the things that he really felt positive 00:20:48.339 --> 00:20:51.779 about before in listening and got back to it, 00:20:52.140 --> 00:20:54.559 that was a great relief to him. He got involved 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:57.740 with his spirit also at the same time. And within 00:20:57.740 --> 00:21:00.859 three to five months, his PTSD became highly 00:21:00.859 --> 00:21:03.339 manageable and he was able to be discharged from 00:21:03.339 --> 00:21:05.799 a place that he had been for probably 30 years. 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.640 You talk about, you know, as I mentioned, you 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:13.019 have worked in the VA system and that you were 00:21:13.019 --> 00:21:15.900 more of a traditional psychologist, psychiatrist 00:21:15.900 --> 00:21:19.220 prior to this enlightenment, I guess you could 00:21:19.220 --> 00:21:22.740 say, that you went through, and that that's continued. 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:25.140 I mean, if we're going to hire 1 ,600 more technicians 00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:27.759 and clinicians, and so forth, it sounds like 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:30.160 it's going to be more of the same. Yeah, what 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:33.079 happens with PTSD is that the part of the brain 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:35.299 that deals with survival called the amygdala 00:21:35.299 --> 00:21:37.299 and the part of the brain that deals with memory 00:21:37.299 --> 00:21:40.180 called the hippocampus become locked in place. 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:42.880 And it doesn't take much for the system to keep 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:45.579 on going round and round and round. If all we 00:21:45.579 --> 00:21:47.480 do is counseling, then all we're doing is talking 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:51.859 about sensory impressions and we're not dealing 00:21:51.859 --> 00:21:53.440 with the other things that are going on below 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:58.809 the surface. We have in place a way of measuring 00:21:58.809 --> 00:22:02.950 biologically how the system has become aberrant, 00:22:03.089 --> 00:22:05.750 how it's become awry. And we can look at those 00:22:05.750 --> 00:22:08.269 numbers and say, yeah, these people are very 00:22:08.269 --> 00:22:12.369 high in adrenaline -releasing hormones that puts 00:22:12.369 --> 00:22:15.650 them at risk for homicide or suicide. Otherwise, 00:22:15.710 --> 00:22:19.410 it's just personal testimony. And we can't deal 00:22:19.410 --> 00:22:22.009 with that level of fluctuation simply by talking 00:22:22.009 --> 00:22:24.960 about it or as we had talked about earlier. giving 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:28.559 medications to subdue it, but rather than to 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:30.779 treat the process of what's going on below the 00:22:30.779 --> 00:22:33.960 surface. Ninety percent of what we are is below 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:37.680 the surface and below our awareness, and that's 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:40.680 where the trauma lies. And certainly things like 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:45.900 TM can help us to move the spirituality into 00:22:45.900 --> 00:22:49.019 the foreground and the biology into the background, 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:52.660 but the biology still exists. And we need to 00:22:52.660 --> 00:22:55.619 address the three -part process of dealing with 00:22:55.619 --> 00:22:59.359 this. You mentioned earlier when we were talking 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:03.859 about how a simple blood test, I don't know how 00:23:03.859 --> 00:23:05.980 simple it is in my mind, a simple blood test 00:23:05.980 --> 00:23:10.000 can show these different levels of what they're 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:15.000 called to our audience out there. We're trying 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:17.420 to keep it simple so I can understand it too. 00:23:18.220 --> 00:23:21.700 is that by measuring these different things inside 00:23:21.700 --> 00:23:25.279 of our blood that you can determine some of the 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:27.599 issues that might be going on there. That's correct. 00:23:28.059 --> 00:23:30.660 There are areas that are measurable that will 00:23:30.660 --> 00:23:34.500 show depletion, which is what happens when we're 00:23:34.500 --> 00:23:36.220 doing something over and over and over again. 00:23:36.299 --> 00:23:39.579 We get depleted. Other areas are agitated and 00:23:39.579 --> 00:23:42.819 we look at ratios of one system compared to another. 00:23:43.380 --> 00:23:45.240 We can say that this person is at high risk. 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:47.819 We can flag this person. As soon as they come 00:23:47.819 --> 00:23:50.259 back from deployment and say, look, we need to 00:23:50.259 --> 00:23:53.059 talk about some things that are going on, which 00:23:53.059 --> 00:23:54.920 may even be low awareness of the individual. 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:57.920 The person might not even be aware of the stress 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:01.299 that he's under. He may not be aware of the fact 00:24:01.299 --> 00:24:03.720 that he's also in a great deal of pain, but that's 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:06.220 not being addressed because, quote, we define 00:24:06.220 --> 00:24:08.880 it as a mental disorder. There are so many things 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:12.660 that are going on below the surface that we have 00:24:12.660 --> 00:24:14.720 to come to the foreground with so that these 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:18.009 high numbers of suicide And people who are brought 00:24:18.009 --> 00:24:20.089 before the Veterans Court for Homicide or things 00:24:20.089 --> 00:24:24.970 like that can be properly addressed. Well, you 00:24:24.970 --> 00:24:29.710 mentioned, you know, that... Dale, can I interject 00:24:29.710 --> 00:24:32.109 for a minute? Sure, go right ahead, Jerry. You 00:24:32.109 --> 00:24:36.730 know, psychology and psychiatry requires the 00:24:36.730 --> 00:24:39.670 complete, complete attention of the patient and 00:24:39.670 --> 00:24:42.789 the cooperation of the patient. We know that 00:24:42.789 --> 00:24:47.049 there are half a million, 500 ,000 people military 00:24:47.049 --> 00:24:50.009 suffering from post -traumatic stress disorder. 00:24:50.390 --> 00:24:52.890 The VA doesn't have enough people to treat it. 00:24:53.269 --> 00:24:57.250 We got started in Camp Pendleton because a psychology 00:24:57.250 --> 00:25:00.569 department called the Marine Counseling Service 00:25:00.569 --> 00:25:05.769 and the Deployment Service had a number of their 00:25:05.769 --> 00:25:08.829 counselors see the effects of Transcendental 00:25:08.829 --> 00:25:12.549 Meditation. Transcendental Meditation is something 00:25:12.549 --> 00:25:15.569 that you have for yourself. It doesn't require 00:25:15.569 --> 00:25:18.809 any visit to anybody. It doesn't require your 00:25:18.809 --> 00:25:22.769 cooperation with a psychologist. It just requires 00:25:22.769 --> 00:25:26.170 you to sit quietly, to learn a word called a 00:25:26.170 --> 00:25:30.569 mantra that has no meaning and how to use that 00:25:30.569 --> 00:25:35.069 word to get into the deeper, deeper silences 00:25:35.069 --> 00:25:38.609 of self. And that silence of self is a healing 00:25:38.609 --> 00:25:43.250 power. It's not spiritual. It's not biological. 00:25:44.009 --> 00:25:48.890 It's not anything other than self -help for the 00:25:48.890 --> 00:25:51.490 individual. It doesn't require you to talk to 00:25:51.490 --> 00:25:54.230 anybody. It doesn't require you to take any medication. 00:25:54.670 --> 00:25:57.289 It doesn't require you to do anything but to 00:25:57.289 --> 00:26:00.730 sit still for 20 minutes a day and meditate. 00:26:01.369 --> 00:26:05.269 It's the only thing that I know of that helped 00:26:05.269 --> 00:26:09.630 me. I had no soul for 30 years. I was married. 00:26:09.690 --> 00:26:28.119 I had four children. was my addictive behavior. 00:26:28.859 --> 00:26:31.359 Couldn't pass a golf course, just like a guy 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:35.279 who drinks can't pass a bar. And Transcendental 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.940 Meditation made me into a better human being, 00:26:38.380 --> 00:26:42.259 20 minutes a day, twice a day, sitting quietly 00:26:42.259 --> 00:26:45.279 and getting in touch with myself from the deepest, 00:26:45.460 --> 00:26:49.299 deepest level of self, my own consciousness. 00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:53.900 And we can teach this for seven, for a thousand 00:26:53.900 --> 00:26:58.680 dollars. all over the country. We don't have 00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:02.460 to retrain anybody. We've got the people are 00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:05.660 in place. The willingness is in place. We don't 00:27:05.660 --> 00:27:08.339 have all the funding we need, but we're working 00:27:08.339 --> 00:27:11.779 on that. Big time. It sounds as though there 00:27:11.779 --> 00:27:13.799 are a lot of different things going on out there 00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:17.980 and that's what's so fascinating to me. You mentioned 00:27:17.980 --> 00:27:20.319 earlier, Jerry, that there were some people at 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:22.440 the VA that, as you put it, they were going to 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:28.609 come out. supporting TM and that it was, it's 00:27:28.609 --> 00:27:32.269 kind of interesting to know that the VA itself 00:27:32.269 --> 00:27:35.609 is willing to look at these different types of 00:27:35.609 --> 00:27:38.849 treatment for people. And as you mentioned, that 00:27:38.849 --> 00:27:42.470 they can just help us out. I think it's going 00:27:42.470 --> 00:27:44.269 to be incredible. And I know we're coming up 00:27:44.269 --> 00:27:51.049 on a break here and how much time? Okay, I got 00:27:51.049 --> 00:27:52.890 about a minute and a half as I look at my clock. 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:55.900 I need you to just slide over a little bit so 00:27:55.900 --> 00:27:59.819 I can see it. Anyway, we're talking about different 00:27:59.819 --> 00:28:01.460 types of treatment here. We're talking about 00:28:01.460 --> 00:28:03.920 transcendental meditation. We're talking about 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.700 physical treatment for emotional problems. We 00:28:07.700 --> 00:28:11.960 had a caller. Well, actually both of you kind 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:13.279 of touched on this, but I'm going to ask back 00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:15.119 to you, Dr. Emmer. We've only got about a minute, 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:16.859 and I know we won't be able to draw. I'm going 00:28:16.859 --> 00:28:18.380 to hold this until we get to the other side of 00:28:18.380 --> 00:28:21.869 our break, I think. We're talking with Dr. Eric 00:28:21.869 --> 00:28:24.309 Emberg and we're talking with Jerry Yellen about 00:28:24.309 --> 00:28:27.089 different treatments for PTSD, traumatic brain 00:28:27.089 --> 00:28:30.109 injury, and how you come to peace with yourself. 00:28:30.789 --> 00:28:32.410 And I think that that's something that's really 00:28:32.410 --> 00:28:35.309 important. And if you want to get in on the conversation, 00:28:35.430 --> 00:28:37.130 you can give us a call here at Veterans Radio 00:28:37.130 --> 00:28:42.390 877 -573 -7825. So make sure that you do that. 00:28:42.529 --> 00:28:44.690 We'll be right back. You're listening to Veterans 00:28:44.690 --> 00:28:47.950 Radio. The Medal of Honor is the highest award 00:28:47.950 --> 00:28:49.990 for valor in combat given a member of the Armed 00:28:49.990 --> 00:28:51.890 Forces of the United States. 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And we are back on Veterans 00:30:19.230 --> 00:30:23.150 Radio today and we're talking about PTSD and 00:30:23.150 --> 00:30:25.190 trying to eliminate some of the suicides that 00:30:25.190 --> 00:30:27.529 are going on with our returning troops and of 00:30:27.529 --> 00:30:30.849 course our veterans from previous conflicts because 00:30:30.849 --> 00:30:33.230 the numbers are just astronomical and again I 00:30:33.230 --> 00:30:34.849 want to read from the New York Times that just 00:30:34.849 --> 00:30:38.480 said that More than 6 ,500 veteran suicides are 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:42.720 logged every year. Every year. That's more than 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:44.799 the total number of soldiers killed in Afghanistan 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:48.279 and Iraq combined since these wars began. And 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:53.380 we're talking with Dr. Eric Amberg and with Jerry 00:30:53.380 --> 00:30:55.680 Yellen about different types of treatments that 00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:59.240 are available to help people cope with the post 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:01.519 -traumatic stress. And we had a question from 00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:04.980 one of our listeners. I'm going to address this 00:31:04.980 --> 00:31:08.799 to you, Dr. Amberg, first. In essence, what is 00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.240 your spirituality? I don't want to get into the 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.799 religion part of it, but you mentioned that you 00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:15.720 thought that spirituality was really important 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:20.059 as part of this treatment. Well, if we look at 00:31:20.059 --> 00:31:22.099 what the Bible talks about as the body being 00:31:22.099 --> 00:31:25.440 a temple, and that temple being very exquisitely 00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:29.940 designed and integrated, that we have to recognize 00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:33.880 that whether we are spiritual or even one has 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.000 a physics as a notion, that spirituality is an 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.140 extremely important part of what we are. It's 00:31:41.140 --> 00:31:42.720 something that we can't define very well. Is 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:46.339 it light for us? Is it soul? But it is something 00:31:46.339 --> 00:31:49.079 that's totally integrated in terms of what the 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.220 body does. And if we leave that piece out, then 00:31:52.220 --> 00:31:54.819 we're just dealing with biology, which is only 00:31:54.819 --> 00:32:00.400 one third of the situation. Jerry, how about 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:07.710 your... relationship with spirituality well that's 00:32:07.710 --> 00:32:09.869 that's a loaded question I know and I'm sorry 00:32:09.869 --> 00:32:13.690 to here's here's here's what I believe here's 00:32:13.690 --> 00:32:17.410 what I've been led to believe by my life experiences 00:32:17.410 --> 00:32:24.089 I fought the Japanese the Japanese were my hated 00:32:24.089 --> 00:32:29.029 enemy they I watched bombers thousands of bombers 00:32:29.029 --> 00:32:31.920 drop thousands, hundreds of thousands of tons 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:35.819 of bombs on Japan. Not once did I ever think 00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:38.339 that there were human beings on the ground. They 00:32:38.339 --> 00:32:42.640 were Japanese. I saw the remnants of a fight 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:47.220 on Iwo Jima where 7 ,000 Marines, I saw the body 00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:51.220 parts, I saw 21 ,000 body parts from Japanese 00:32:51.220 --> 00:32:54.519 and for 30 years I hated them. Then I learned 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:58.799 Transcendental Meditation in 1975. And then in 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.680 1983, I was asked to go to Japan and I never 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:03.880 wanted to go to Japan, not a place to visit, 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.000 not human beings. My wife, Helene, wanted to 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:10.039 go to Japan and we went to Japan. We were in 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:14.920 Kyoto and she said Robert would really love Japan. 00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:18.420 Robert was the youngest of our four sons. He 00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:21.519 was a senior at San Diego State University. So 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:24.720 we gave him a homestay visit of 16 days and he 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:30.009 went to Japan in 1983. graduated college in 1984, 00:33:30.250 --> 00:33:32.930 didn't know what he wanted to do, so he took 00:33:32.930 --> 00:33:36.549 a year to teach Japanese, to teach the English 00:33:36.549 --> 00:33:40.250 in Japan, one year contract. Then he went in 00:33:40.250 --> 00:33:44.210 1984, he hasn't come back yet. He met and married 00:33:44.210 --> 00:33:47.470 the daughter of a kamikaze pilot who lived through 00:33:47.470 --> 00:33:50.430 the war because he was sent to China and didn't 00:33:50.430 --> 00:33:53.710 have any missions over there. I have three Japanese 00:33:53.710 --> 00:33:58.769 grandchildren, three, one twenty -two, 120 and 00:33:58.769 --> 00:34:03.329 116. They're my family. Their background, their 00:34:03.329 --> 00:34:06.509 religion, their culture, completely different 00:34:06.509 --> 00:34:11.969 than mine. They are my family. I've come to the 00:34:11.969 --> 00:34:15.250 conclusion that all human beings are exactly 00:34:15.250 --> 00:34:19.809 the same. So I have no belief in a higher power 00:34:19.809 --> 00:34:24.849 of a religion. I have a belief that we are all 00:34:24.849 --> 00:34:30.179 part of nature. Important to the natural world 00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:33.119 we all make babies the same way and that's been 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.639 going on for Since human beings came into life. 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.739 We all have the same operating system if some 00:34:40.739 --> 00:34:44.400 baby is born in China of two Chinese parents 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.760 and has raised in America and takes on the culture 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.219 the language the dress the education of America 00:34:52.219 --> 00:34:55.699 might look Chinese might be Chinese by birth, 00:34:55.900 --> 00:34:59.769 but he's American and all of us are exactly the 00:34:59.769 --> 00:35:03.889 same. If you take away some of the things that 00:35:03.889 --> 00:35:07.969 are going on today, religious -wise, you'll find 00:35:07.969 --> 00:35:11.429 that we, as human beings, are all exactly the 00:35:11.429 --> 00:35:15.570 same. We need three things in our lives, something 00:35:15.570 --> 00:35:18.829 to do, someone to love, and something to look 00:35:18.829 --> 00:35:21.909 forward to. That's all we need. We all need food. 00:35:22.010 --> 00:35:25.019 We all need sleep. We all have sexual desires 00:35:25.019 --> 00:35:28.039 because that's nature telling us we have to propagate. 00:35:28.739 --> 00:35:31.820 That's the only purpose of our life is to recreate 00:35:31.820 --> 00:35:35.260 ourselves. So I'm going on my lecturing now that 00:35:35.260 --> 00:35:38.639 I am an individual who's part, not of a religion, 00:35:39.219 --> 00:35:42.039 but a part of the entire world, part of nature. 00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:45.599 And that's the way I live. That's the way I feel. 00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:48.980 Spirituality, I'm a very, very, very spiritual 00:35:48.980 --> 00:35:58.949 person. I've written several And the Black and 00:35:58.949 --> 00:36:01.889 Canteen is the story of 23 Americans who were 00:36:01.889 --> 00:36:05.550 killed on June 20th, 1945 in a midair collision 00:36:05.550 --> 00:36:09.989 over Japan in two B -29s. And a Japanese man, 00:36:10.050 --> 00:36:14.630 Hiroyosuga, buried him, buried these guys in 00:36:14.630 --> 00:36:18.949 a common grave next to the 2 ,000 citizens that 00:36:18.949 --> 00:36:22.909 the bombers killed. And he did that because he 00:36:22.909 --> 00:36:28.340 believed that we keep coming back. as we die. 00:36:28.619 --> 00:36:30.739 And if you didn't have a proper burial, these 00:36:30.739 --> 00:36:35.079 guys would come back as warriors again and again 00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.320 and again. That's a belief system. I don't have 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:41.820 that belief system. What I believe is this. Those 00:36:41.820 --> 00:36:45.099 who perform acts of kindness without expectation 00:36:45.099 --> 00:36:48.500 of reward receive the greatest reward of all, 00:36:49.019 --> 00:36:52.079 immortality. It isn't about doing good, forgetting 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.679 something. It's about doing good because it's 00:36:54.679 --> 00:37:01.880 the right thing to do. You're listening to Veterans 00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:03.739 Radio here, and if you've got a comment that 00:37:03.739 --> 00:37:05.480 you'd like to get in on the conversation, give 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:10.900 us a call at 877 -573 -7825. I want to go back 00:37:10.900 --> 00:37:15.780 to you, Dr. Amberg. You talked earlier at breakfast, 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.539 we were talking about when people go into the 00:37:19.539 --> 00:37:23.579 hospital or get home from overseas, if they're 00:37:23.579 --> 00:37:27.050 hurt, they go through two doors. One door is 00:37:27.050 --> 00:37:29.210 physical and the other door is mental. That's 00:37:29.210 --> 00:37:31.710 correct. And that you think that everybody should 00:37:31.710 --> 00:37:33.889 be going through the physical door. That's correct. 00:37:34.610 --> 00:37:37.789 And I wanted you to kind of, in layman's terms, 00:37:38.010 --> 00:37:41.590 so that we can all understand it, Jerry mentioned 00:37:41.590 --> 00:37:44.650 something about everybody being the same, basically. 00:37:45.590 --> 00:37:48.329 And there's a conversation that I heard or a 00:37:48.329 --> 00:37:55.099 speech I heard by a brain doctor. which obviously 00:37:55.099 --> 00:37:57.820 is not working for me right now, neurosurgeon. 00:37:58.300 --> 00:38:00.280 And he's talking about when he opens up the brain 00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.039 to work on whatever, they're all the same. He 00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.780 can't tell if they come from China, America, 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.260 wherever it happens to be. And I think that that 00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:11.679 sounded like something that you were talking 00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:15.320 about, that we're all, ideally we're all wired 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.920 the same, but sometimes those wires get short 00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:22.019 out and that results in some problems. That's 00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:25.230 correct. Because when we have trauma, the balance 00:38:25.230 --> 00:38:29.650 of what we are is disrupted chemically, electrically, 00:38:30.190 --> 00:38:32.929 organ -wise, and so when we have trauma, it's 00:38:32.929 --> 00:38:36.670 all physical. Now, as I said before, what we 00:38:36.670 --> 00:38:39.070 refer to as the mental is just the upper layer 00:38:39.070 --> 00:38:42.389 of what the brain is processing, and so then 00:38:42.389 --> 00:38:44.389 we call it mental, but it's still a processing 00:38:44.389 --> 00:38:47.150 system that's going on in the brain that's really 00:38:47.150 --> 00:38:50.070 revealing all of what's going on below the levels 00:38:50.070 --> 00:38:55.059 of awareness. So when we're talking about biology, 00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:56.900 we're talking about the fact that we all have 00:38:56.900 --> 00:38:59.900 biological systems that are in certain cases 00:38:59.900 --> 00:39:02.800 of balance or imbalance, but on the trauma, it 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:05.599 really moves out of balance. And so that's why 00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:09.780 we hurt, that's why we suffer. There are different 00:39:09.780 --> 00:39:11.820 ways of addressing it, but we should not be addressing 00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:15.000 it as a mental or physical. And that's a danger 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.099 we do. If we create the idea that this is a mental 00:39:17.099 --> 00:39:20.260 disorder, this is a physical disorder, Then we're 00:39:20.260 --> 00:39:22.900 taking the body system and saying, well, this 00:39:22.900 --> 00:39:25.860 is not real, this is imaginary, and this is real 00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:28.179 so we have to treat it differently. If we were 00:39:28.179 --> 00:39:31.000 to give everyone the respect of recognizing that 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.619 all individuals have biological conditions that 00:39:34.619 --> 00:39:38.340 need to be addressed, and of course meditation 00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:40.780 is a great way of addressing it because it takes 00:39:40.780 --> 00:39:42.980 that component and moves it into the foreground 00:39:42.980 --> 00:39:45.880 and takes the biology and moves it more into 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:48.340 the background. but they all have to be addressed 00:39:48.340 --> 00:39:53.079 or otherwise these addictions are still present. 00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:59.199 Well, you know, I've always been a fan of Shakespeare 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.219 and he's always talking about these humors, you 00:40:01.219 --> 00:40:03.780 know, that their ill humor or their humors are 00:40:03.780 --> 00:40:06.159 out of balance and it sounds like that that's 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.719 something that you were talking about. We've 00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:11.760 had Rick Briggs on our program in the past and 00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:15.019 he's with the Traumatic Brain Injury Association, 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:19.170 I think it is, of Michigan. Yes. And we've talked 00:40:19.170 --> 00:40:24.369 about that. So many of the symptoms of TBI are 00:40:24.369 --> 00:40:27.630 similar to PTSD, or it sounds like there is a 00:40:27.630 --> 00:40:31.389 combination of the two going on there. And you 00:40:31.389 --> 00:40:33.610 have mentioned that the idea is that if we can 00:40:33.610 --> 00:40:36.369 treat them physically, many of those post -traumatic 00:40:36.369 --> 00:40:39.730 stress disorder symptoms will go away. Yeah, 00:40:39.849 --> 00:40:42.349 artificially we create these terms like PTSD, 00:40:42.690 --> 00:40:45.050 TBI, instead of just looking at one issue, the 00:40:45.050 --> 00:40:48.309 body system has gone aberrant. And if we can 00:40:48.309 --> 00:40:51.929 recognize where the changes have occurred and 00:40:51.929 --> 00:40:55.070 address them, then a great deal of relief can 00:40:55.070 --> 00:40:57.190 occur because now the person who has experiencing 00:40:57.190 --> 00:40:59.829 this is not going to sit down and talk about 00:40:59.829 --> 00:41:03.769 problems, but they're going to be part of a program 00:41:03.769 --> 00:41:07.090 that teaches them how they need to deal with 00:41:07.090 --> 00:41:08.949 this aberrant system, much the same way as we 00:41:08.949 --> 00:41:13.809 teach a diabetic how to deal with diabetes. Diet 00:41:13.809 --> 00:41:16.349 -wise and other kinds of lifestyle changes have 00:41:16.349 --> 00:41:18.969 to occur. And here the person feels empowered. 00:41:19.789 --> 00:41:23.230 They're not feeling pacified, not a passive person 00:41:23.230 --> 00:41:26.489 receiving counseling or medications. They're 00:41:26.489 --> 00:41:29.289 acting on their condition. And it's this very 00:41:29.289 --> 00:41:33.369 act of empowerment that creates change. And part 00:41:33.369 --> 00:41:35.630 of empowerment may be the meditation part, of 00:41:35.630 --> 00:41:38.369 course, because that's something they can use 00:41:38.369 --> 00:41:41.489 to increase their state of empowerment. Incidentally, 00:41:41.710 --> 00:41:44.849 on a biological level, we have known that with 00:41:44.849 --> 00:41:47.969 meditation, TM or otherwise, that there are changes 00:41:47.969 --> 00:41:50.829 in EEG. There are changes in... EEG? EEG, which 00:41:50.829 --> 00:41:54.090 is the brainwave activity. Okay. And so we see 00:41:54.090 --> 00:41:57.889 a healthy EEG emerge with meditation. We also 00:41:57.889 --> 00:42:00.650 see changes occurring in chemistry with meditation. 00:42:01.289 --> 00:42:04.630 So it does fall into a realm that it's also measurable 00:42:04.630 --> 00:42:07.929 and it's very powerful. I think what's interesting 00:42:07.929 --> 00:42:10.710 you mentioned earlier about how you're able to 00:42:10.710 --> 00:42:18.190 measure some of these humors in our body and 00:42:18.190 --> 00:42:20.429 how you can control them as you mentioned by 00:42:20.429 --> 00:42:26.329 diet or exercise or minimal medication. That's 00:42:26.329 --> 00:42:28.690 correct. You know, trying to get away from the 00:42:28.690 --> 00:42:30.630 medication as much as possible, I think, sounds 00:42:30.630 --> 00:42:32.610 like. Well, we're trying to move into the area 00:42:32.610 --> 00:42:35.510 of self -empowerment, that people can understand 00:42:35.510 --> 00:42:37.750 the nature of their condition, what needs to 00:42:37.750 --> 00:42:39.849 be done. For example, people who watch a lot 00:42:39.849 --> 00:42:42.630 of violent movies are just going to keep that 00:42:42.630 --> 00:42:47.130 level up there. People who do things that heat 00:42:47.130 --> 00:42:50.530 the addictions just keep that system fully active. 00:42:50.610 --> 00:42:53.030 So if we say you've got to change that, and these 00:42:53.030 --> 00:42:55.130 are the things that we can do to make change 00:42:55.130 --> 00:42:58.690 possible, diet -wise, lifestyle -wise, getting 00:42:58.690 --> 00:43:02.809 involved in the imperative that we talked about 00:43:02.809 --> 00:43:06.670 before, learning techniques that have to do with 00:43:06.670 --> 00:43:08.710 spirituality, which is different from religion. 00:43:09.510 --> 00:43:12.190 It's not a thought process, but it's a doing 00:43:12.190 --> 00:43:16.150 process. It's, as Jesus said, get into a closet 00:43:16.150 --> 00:43:20.230 and pray, to feel the inner stillness, however 00:43:20.230 --> 00:43:24.500 we choose to achieve that. We're coming up on 00:43:24.500 --> 00:43:26.579 another break and when we come back on the other 00:43:26.579 --> 00:43:29.480 side, we'd like to have your comments out there. 00:43:29.619 --> 00:43:33.980 So give us a call at 877 -573 -7825. We're trying 00:43:33.980 --> 00:43:36.300 to figure out how can we help? Do you know somebody 00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:37.960 out there that needs help? Do you know somebody 00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:41.679 out there that you think is suicidal? Give us 00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:43.800 a call. We'll try to help you out. You're listening 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.199 to Veterans Radio. And we're back on Veterans 00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:49.440 Radio and we're talking about PTSD, Transcendental 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.079 Meditation. all types of different treatments 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:56.480 for these problems that veterans have when they 00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:58.800 return. I wanted to give out a phone number here. 00:43:58.940 --> 00:44:01.159 It's a veteran's crisis line. If you know somebody 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.179 that you think is having trouble or having problems 00:44:04.179 --> 00:44:06.840 or you think may be suicidal, give this number 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:12.840 a call. It's 800 -273 -8255. That's 800 -273 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:17.380 -8255. And then it says press one. And this is 00:44:17.380 --> 00:44:19.420 a Veterans Crisis Line which will get you the 00:44:19.420 --> 00:44:23.239 ability to talk to someone right away. On our 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:26.639 program today is Jerry Yellen who is responsible 00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:30.559 for an organization called Operation Warrior 00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:33.239 Wellness and that's at OperationWarriorWellness 00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:38.039 .org. And Jerry, how do people contact you directly 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.199 or do they go through your website to get some 00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.559 help? Well, they can contact me directly. They 00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.719 can send me an email, Jerry. at operationwarrior 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:53.000 .wellness .org or jerryatlisco .com. I'll respond 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:57.559 to them. They can go to the David Lynch Foundation 00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:01.139 website. They can go to operationwarriorwellness 00:45:01.139 --> 00:45:06.760 .org website and they can contact us. Go ahead. 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:08.739 No, no, go ahead. All right. I was going to ask 00:45:08.739 --> 00:45:13.809 if I'm in Ann Arbor, Michigan and Can you direct 00:45:13.809 --> 00:45:16.409 me to someone specifically in this area that 00:45:16.409 --> 00:45:21.849 can help me out with TM? Absolutely. Right in 00:45:21.849 --> 00:45:24.650 your community. I think that's important. And 00:45:24.650 --> 00:45:27.730 again, I go back to the idea that the VA is looking, 00:45:27.849 --> 00:45:30.789 and not necessarily the VA right now, but both 00:45:30.789 --> 00:45:33.269 of you are working with representatives from 00:45:33.269 --> 00:45:37.110 the VA and trying to get these other programs 00:45:37.110 --> 00:45:40.869 into the system if possible. The government is 00:45:40.869 --> 00:45:44.219 hard to deal with. The government has people 00:45:44.219 --> 00:45:48.519 who believe in what they're doing from the religious 00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:54.920 side. There are people who think that Transcendental 00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:59.860 Meditation is a religion, it's a cult, and it's 00:45:59.860 --> 00:46:03.280 none of those things. And the government is trying 00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:07.000 to cut back on money. We have to look to the 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.699 citizenships, we have to look to the corporations. 00:46:12.100 --> 00:46:16.840 big insurance companies. There's a lot of research 00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:19.760 that Transcendental Meditation improves the health 00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:23.380 care, just as Dr. Eric says, improves your health 00:46:23.380 --> 00:46:25.900 care, it improves your health, it takes away 00:46:25.900 --> 00:46:30.000 stress, which stress causes heart problems, it 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.679 causes addictive eating, it causes high cholesterol, 00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:38.280 stress causes all kinds of problems, and if we 00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:43.570 can take away stress... insurance companies to 00:46:43.570 --> 00:46:47.429 do things. We're looking to major funders, major 00:46:47.429 --> 00:46:52.090 companies who have benefited financially from 00:46:52.090 --> 00:46:54.550 the 18 years that we've been fighting this war. 00:46:54.969 --> 00:46:57.909 Wars are very costly. Wars are very profitable 00:46:57.909 --> 00:47:01.250 for some people. So we're looking to the citizenry 00:47:01.250 --> 00:47:04.550 to take care of the citizens. When I fought, 00:47:05.170 --> 00:47:08.869 10 % of the country fought in World War II. We 00:47:08.869 --> 00:47:14.239 were 16 million people. as soldiers and sailors 00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.599 and marines and airmen. And today we have 3 ,000, 00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:22.300 3 million people, 1 % of the nation. 99 % of 00:47:22.300 --> 00:47:26.219 the nation has benefited from what those 1 % 00:47:26.219 --> 00:47:29.300 have done. And we have to take care of the 1 00:47:29.300 --> 00:47:33.380 % in a much, much more meaningful manner than 00:47:33.380 --> 00:47:36.699 we have up until this time. Absolutely, absolutely. 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:40.440 We've got a caller on the line and I'm going 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.369 to kind of preface her question. This is Joan 00:47:43.369 --> 00:47:47.010 from Dearborn Heights, and Joan's question was, 00:47:47.690 --> 00:47:50.469 how do we revamp the entire medical system to 00:47:50.469 --> 00:47:53.329 shy away from prescription drug use? Well, you 00:47:53.329 --> 00:47:57.309 can't do that. That's an impossibility. My son 00:47:57.309 --> 00:48:00.769 is a researcher, a scientific researcher, medical 00:48:00.769 --> 00:48:04.269 doctor. Drugs are about money. Drugs are about 00:48:04.269 --> 00:48:08.329 making money. And they're in business. There's 00:48:08.329 --> 00:48:12.349 no altruism in business. They have a mission. 00:48:12.349 --> 00:48:16.650 in life to take care of their shareholders, to 00:48:16.650 --> 00:48:19.789 make money and drugs is a big profitable business. 00:48:19.809 --> 00:48:24.590 It's not going to go away. The lobbyists for 00:48:24.590 --> 00:48:27.670 these companies are huge. The lobbyists for the 00:48:27.670 --> 00:48:30.949 military industrial complex are huge in Washington. 00:48:32.849 --> 00:48:34.829 You have to change the whole political system 00:48:34.829 --> 00:48:40.619 and that's not going to work. Yeah, we are going 00:48:40.619 --> 00:48:43.780 through evolution. I think that the understanding 00:48:43.780 --> 00:48:47.539 of integrative medicine coming forward will begin 00:48:47.539 --> 00:48:50.400 to change the orientation. It has done so in 00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:53.139 some major medical schools, looking at the entire 00:48:53.139 --> 00:48:56.460 body as opposed to just specific areas. If we 00:48:56.460 --> 00:48:59.559 do that, then we begin to treat the areas of 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.539 aberration as opposed to trying to medicate symptoms. 00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:05.500 If we recognize that symptoms are a message from 00:49:05.500 --> 00:49:08.500 the body... and we try to kill the message then 00:49:08.500 --> 00:49:11.480 we miss out on where the message is coming from. 00:49:12.219 --> 00:49:15.239 And I think there is a change in the medical 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.320 education of looking at things more integratively. 00:49:19.420 --> 00:49:21.699 Joan, I know you're on the line and I know that 00:49:21.699 --> 00:49:25.860 you are, you know, I think the idea of getting 00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:27.920 away especially from the prescription drugs that 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:31.159 are strictly for mental problems would be a great 00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:33.960 advantage to those people who are taking those 00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:38.519 drugs, don't you? I'm just concerned that the 00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:42.000 medications could repress what Dr. Anberg is 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.380 saying, that he's trying to get down to the root 00:49:44.380 --> 00:49:46.780 of what's in the soul and to bring it out. And 00:49:46.780 --> 00:49:50.059 I think when you're constantly giving drugs to 00:49:50.059 --> 00:49:53.119 people for decades, how are you going to let 00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.880 these problems surface and how will you actually 00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:00.639 really be able to treat them? I agree. They're 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:02.539 shaking their head and I know Jerry does the 00:50:02.539 --> 00:50:04.380 same thing. Thanks Joan for giving us a call. 00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.440 Oh, you're welcome. Thank you. We're working 00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.460 on it. Thank you. Thank you so much, all of you. 00:50:11.059 --> 00:50:17.019 Thank you. Dr. Enberg, you are working out in 00:50:17.019 --> 00:50:20.860 Western Michigan with the Michigan National Guard, 00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:25.480 the TBI, and you mentioned General Fausson. Can 00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:27.119 you tell me a little bit about the program that 00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.519 you're doing with them? Well, we're trying to 00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.219 develop a program that actually is out here. 00:50:32.340 --> 00:50:34.400 using the concept that I've talked about, the 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:38.320 integrative medicine, the spirituality and the 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:41.780 mandate to try to help people to move away from 00:50:41.780 --> 00:50:44.760 this whole concept of mental disorder and to 00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:46.980 move back into the notion that we are a physical 00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:50.860 entity with a variety of components. I think 00:50:50.860 --> 00:50:53.099 the main thing we have to look at is how do we 00:50:53.099 --> 00:50:55.400 get away, I think the main issue that threatens 00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:58.719 a great deal of people with PTSD and suicide. 00:50:59.240 --> 00:51:01.340 It's a belief that they've got a mental condition 00:51:01.340 --> 00:51:05.099 that's untreatable and it becomes hopeless. We 00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:08.119 have to create a sense of empowerment with veterans 00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:10.960 to recognize that it's not hopeless, that they 00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:12.960 don't have to continue to feel themselves getting 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.860 worse and worse to the point of imploding. That's 00:51:16.860 --> 00:51:18.980 the basic reason why I got into this program 00:51:18.980 --> 00:51:22.420 four or five years ago, to try to deal with the 00:51:22.420 --> 00:51:25.300 whole issue of suicide and to try to create the 00:51:25.300 --> 00:51:29.000 understanding. That it's not a sense of powerlessness, 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.219 which is what has been created with this counseling 00:51:31.219 --> 00:51:35.000 and medications But to create a notion that they 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.679 do have power and that if we begin to work with 00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.760 their sense of power We can override a very very 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.639 difficult condition It sounds like both of you 00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:45.219 and Jerry I'm going to go back to you are talking 00:51:45.219 --> 00:51:48.619 about self -empowerment and taking control of 00:51:48.619 --> 00:51:52.539 your of your own life and and your own thoughts 00:51:52.539 --> 00:51:57.730 Yeah, I like I like what saying he's on the right 00:51:57.730 --> 00:52:00.309 track, but the research has all been done. We 00:52:00.309 --> 00:52:04.210 have a product. It's maybe not the only product, 00:52:04.210 --> 00:52:07.269 but it's a very, very, very powerful good product 00:52:07.269 --> 00:52:10.469 called Transcendental Meditation. It sounds like, 00:52:10.489 --> 00:52:13.630 as you mentioned, that both of you are headed 00:52:13.630 --> 00:52:16.750 toward the same direction, let's put it that 00:52:16.750 --> 00:52:18.789 way, and that you're offering these veterans 00:52:18.789 --> 00:52:21.409 something that's going to be able to help them 00:52:21.409 --> 00:52:24.690 rather than drugging them up and labeling them 00:52:24.690 --> 00:52:27.199 as you know, whatever they've been labeling them 00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:30.179 as over the years. And I think, you know, the 00:52:30.179 --> 00:52:33.440 TM thing, it sounds fascinating to me, and it 00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:34.900 certainly is something that I'm going to look 00:52:34.900 --> 00:52:38.800 into. And again, also with Dr. Amber, he's got 00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:41.860 some things that I want to look into also, because 00:52:41.860 --> 00:52:45.019 I think that both of you have, you're pushing 00:52:45.019 --> 00:52:47.539 that envelope out there and letting people know 00:52:47.539 --> 00:52:50.659 that there are options. So we have to move away 00:52:50.659 --> 00:52:53.420 from the idea of patient -doctor and into the 00:52:53.420 --> 00:52:58.719 notion of student and facilitator. And however 00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:01.820 we want to do that, once we get away from the 00:53:01.820 --> 00:53:04.760 idea that doctor's orders and patient follows, 00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.679 which doesn't work at all, it has to be something 00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.860 where the person is actively involved in their 00:53:09.860 --> 00:53:15.920 own recovery. Things happened, a lot of unplanned 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:18.820 things that affected the entire system, and people 00:53:18.820 --> 00:53:21.340 have to know that there is hope out there. There 00:53:21.340 --> 00:53:23.590 are things that they can do. to make a difference, 00:53:23.789 --> 00:53:25.789 and we have to have facilitators, not doctor's 00:53:25.789 --> 00:53:27.630 orders, that will help make that difference. 00:53:27.670 --> 00:53:30.090 That sounds great. How would people get a hold 00:53:30.090 --> 00:53:35.070 of you if they have questions? Well, they can 00:53:35.070 --> 00:53:42.309 go to our website, which is, if you Google LRS, 00:53:43.110 --> 00:53:46.969 Life Reclamation Systems, they can go online. 00:53:47.349 --> 00:53:50.340 It's a website that's being developed. So they 00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:52.320 can come in there with questions and we will 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:55.219 be able to answer their questions. Okay. And 00:53:55.219 --> 00:53:56.960 Jerry, how, and you mentioned how they could 00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:59.659 get ahold of you through operation warrior wellness. 00:54:00.659 --> 00:54:05.559 Yes. Correct. And I think go ahead. Operation 00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:09.599 warrior wellness, one word .org. Uh, there's 00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:11.780 a lot of information there. There's a great amount 00:54:11.780 --> 00:54:14.719 of information in there. And I really encourage 00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:16.500 those of you who are looking for different ways 00:54:16.500 --> 00:54:21.239 of. of solving problems is to look on their website 00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:24.000 or go to Amazon and look for Jerry's book, The 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:26.119 Resilient Warrior, Healing the Hidden Wounds 00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:29.880 of War. You can download a chapter from the book, 00:54:29.900 --> 00:54:32.139 which I did, and it's fascinating, so now I have 00:54:32.139 --> 00:54:35.239 to go and get another book to read by Jerry Yellen, 00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:37.820 which is okay, because he's a good writer and 00:54:37.820 --> 00:54:40.539 I enjoy what he writes, and I think that, Jerry, 00:54:40.619 --> 00:54:42.780 that you're really on to something and I... I 00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:44.760 wish you the best of luck and I look forward 00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:46.760 to seeing you at some of the military writers 00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.659 meetings and maybe a little bit sooner that I 00:54:49.659 --> 00:54:51.300 might have to make a trip back through Fairfield, 00:54:51.300 --> 00:54:54.760 Iowa. Come on back. You know, I had a pure purpose 00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:59.260 in war as did every soldier, as does every soldier. 00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.239 And now I have a pure purpose in my life at the 00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:05.159 age of 88 to make sure that the veterans who 00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:15.780 have stretched out who have been serving. went 00:55:15.780 --> 00:55:18.880 through. That's my pure purpose. I understand 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:21.500 entirely Jerry and eight years ago we found Veterans 00:55:21.500 --> 00:55:24.360 Radio for pretty much the same purpose. There 00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:26.500 you go. This is what we do. We want to make sure 00:55:26.500 --> 00:55:29.199 that these men and women never ever are left 00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.119 behind again and that we're going to do everything 00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:33.920 we can to make sure they get the treatment that 00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:35.579 they deserve. Thank you very much. You're doing 00:55:35.579 --> 00:55:37.900 a great job. Thanks a lot. Thanks Jerry. Thank 00:55:37.900 --> 00:55:40.579 you for being on Veterans Radio. Okay. Thank 00:55:40.579 --> 00:55:42.920 you. Dr. Amber, I want to thank you so much for 00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:44.739 being on Veterans Radio. I know that we want 00:55:44.739 --> 00:55:47.940 to talk some more again after the program, some 00:55:47.940 --> 00:55:50.079 of the things that you are interested in doing, 00:55:50.139 --> 00:55:52.559 what we want to try and do together. But again, 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.340 I want to thank you so very much for being on 00:55:55.340 --> 00:55:57.420 the program and helping us understand what's 00:55:57.420 --> 00:55:59.260 going on out there. Thank you very much for this 00:55:59.260 --> 00:56:02.019 opportunity also. And I really do pray that people 00:56:02.019 --> 00:56:06.139 who have listened can look at other alternatives. 00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:09.260 That's the option, folks. 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