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.org and its podcasts. We want to welcome to

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Veterans Radio today, Christina Johnson. She

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is a veteran advocate with an organization called

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Asbestos Ships, which is a non -profit that I

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bumped into and I thought, oh, this is interesting.

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I don't think we've talked about this on Veterans

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Radio in a long time, at least. Christina, welcome

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to Veterans Radio. Thank you, Jim. Thank you

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for having me here today. I'd like to discuss

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the important work that we do and particularly

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for our older veterans who need that extra support.

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Absolutely. And this arises out of the fact that

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asbestos was used as sort of a You know product

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almost a miracle product to reduce fires on ships

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in particular But all through the country asbestos

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was used into the through the 70s Tell us a little

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bit about that History in terms of ships and

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it wouldn't just be Navy. It would be Coast Guard

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And any other ships that the government was involved

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in but tell us a little bit about how asbestos

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was used Absolutely. So from 1930s to the early

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1980s, asbestos was everywhere on US Navy ships,

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submarines, shipyards, and also military bases.

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So it was in over 300 different products, installation,

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pipes, boilers, you name it. The problem was

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that nobody back then fully understood the health

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risks, so safety measures like protective masks

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or wetting down materials were not enforced.

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Veterans, especially those with hands -on roles

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like shipyards workers, insulators, or CBs doing

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construction, were exposed on a daily basis to

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asbestos dust, often in cramped or poorly ventilated

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spaces. Many didn't even realize they were breathing

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in these harmful fibers. Yeah, that's really

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the, you know, back then, both because maybe

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science wasn't as far along, medicine wasn't

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as far along, and quite frankly, we as veterans

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probably didn't pay attention to any instructions

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we got anyway, but it really had long -term effects

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on veterans working in those areas where asbestos

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fibers got airborne, because as I understand

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it right, it gets trapped in your lungs. Right,

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yes. It can lead to serious health issues and

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unfortunately it takes decades for all of the

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symptoms to show up. When you say serious health

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issues, could you elaborate what kind of health

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issues if somebody was exposed to it might they

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end up with? Right. We're talking about non -cancerous

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conditions like pulmonary fibrosis, asbestosis,

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chronic bronchitis, COPD, pleuroplex, pleural

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thickening, and many others. These diseases can

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make breeding difficult and severely impact the

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quality of life of our veterans. And really,

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my doctor might not even think to ask me that

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question, I suppose, if he didn't know. Hey,

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yeah, I was a mill writer. I was this or that

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on ship. I was in fire damage control. I mean,

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I guess you got to know what questions to ask

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or what information to give if you've got one

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of these non -cancerous diseases. Exactly. And

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that's what we do with asbestos ships. As soon

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as we call our veterans, we walk them through

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a process where we tell them what kind of questions,

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what should they, what kind of tests they should

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ask their doctors in order to get properly diagnosed

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and then also try and help their VA claims and

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their other types of claims that they can be

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eligible for. Now, neither you or I are medical

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folks, but you've got deeper understanding of

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this whole field than I do. Is there a way to

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test to say, yeah, I kind of think I was on a

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ship doing X, Y, or Z. Is there a way to test

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if I've got asbestos in my airways? The best

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way to test for that is by going to bee readers,

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but there's only a few in US that actually do

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these types of tests and a regular chest x -ray

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would be enough. to see and then a breeding test

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and they do various different tests right now,

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but I do recommend, I mean, I do tell veterans

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that you do need to go get a chest x -ray and

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you need to ask these 10 questions. I was also

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surprised in reading some of the materials that

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you have on asbestos ships that exposure to asbestos

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could develop cancers that extend beyond the

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lungs. Oh, yes. So what happens, these fibers

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can, they get inhaled and then they get ingested

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and they can travel through your body and they

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will attack your weakest organs. So if you're

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predisposed to, or your immune system is weaker

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and let's say, you know, like in other, with

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with other organs then you will get brain cancer

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you will get prostate cancer and we know this

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for sure because upon biopsies they do find fibers

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and liver you know prostate colon and other organs

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as well yeah as i said i i kind of was thinking

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well this is a lung pulmonary problem was kind

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of surprised to learn it could be a lot Can have

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impacted a lot more in your body organs in your

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body than than just the lungs Yeah, many veterans

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don't really know that and the most important

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part is like many veterans don't really go to

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the doctor early enough So an early diagnosis

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is crucial and that's what we try to create awareness

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for So you have a website the organization's

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website is asbestos -ships .com which has all

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kinds of information on it, but I noticed when

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I'm on it, I actually get a chat bot with your

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face and says, hey, I'm Christina, can I help

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you? What are common questions that you get from

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veterans or friends of veterans who are kind

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of just trying to get some information and understand

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this process? Most of the veterans, we get about

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50 to 100 calls a day. It's insane how many calls

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we get. I mean I can't even answer all of them

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in time and oftentimes I work as much as I can

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so I can call them back and educate them mostly.

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The early diagnosis and diagnosis questions like

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that most of the times Some of them, it's too

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late. They already have cancers. They have the

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cancer diagnosis, and they need help with their

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VA claims. And that's very unfortunate. But some

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of them just have the symptoms. And the symptoms

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can take three to four years to develop into

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something more serious like cancer. So they can.

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actually manage those symptoms if they would

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just get diagnosed and they would just get educated

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about their quality. Where am I right now in

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the process? Because the fibers are non -removable.

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They live in your lungs and they're going to

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stay there. So it's something that they have

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to learn to manage. And if they are more educated

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about the early diagnosis, then it's absolutely

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vital for veterans. And I can highlight a couple

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of reasons of why this group actually deserves

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special attention. Absolutely. Please do. And

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I think that weaves into one of the things you

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guys work on, which is sort of the whole policy,

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trying to get policymakers, VA leaders to understand

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this. But go ahead and explain it to us. Yes.

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So first of all, veterans, they face unique health

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risks tied to their service. Many of them were

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exposed to environmental hazards like Agent Orange,

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burn pits, radiation during their deployments,

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significantly increasing their risk of developing

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cancers such as lung, prostate, leukemia, and

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many other types of cancers. Unfortunately, a

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lot of these cancers develop often silently with

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no symptoms in the early stages. So catching

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them early through regular screenings can mean

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the difference between a treatable condition

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and one that's advanced and far and harder to

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manage. So the second one is veterans often deal

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with complex health challenges, including higher

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rates of chronic conditions like PTSD, physical

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injury, which can mask or delay cancer symptoms

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as well. An early diagnosis ensures that cancer

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isn't overlooked and allowing for timely intervention.

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So for example, I've been just reading about

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something about the VA's own data that shows

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that veterans diagnosed with stage one lung cancer

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have a five -year survival rate of around 60

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to 70 percent compared to just 10 to 10 percent

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for stage four. Oh yeah. So you know those numbers

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speak for themselves and early detection does

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save lives. One of the things that I thought

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was also very interesting on your website which

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is asbestoships .com are the blogs that you have

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talking about different issues and maybe it's

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once or twice a month you put a blog out the

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October one was radar technicians and exposure

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asbestos exposure but another one was a month

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earlier was testicular cancer as a presumptive

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condition under the PACDAC. So there's a lot,

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it seems like you're trying to put out good information

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every month that maybe the veteran who's looking

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for some answers might find some here. Are you

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the writer of these blogs or how do you pick

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your topics? Yes, I do everything myself and

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by interviewing and talking to the veterans,

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I document everything that is of their interest

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and they want to find, you know, answers to or

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they want to find out how the process is like

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or what it looks like. So I try to be transparent

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with that information based on, you know, the

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interviews and based on my conversations that

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I have with them. Yeah, I sort of had a feeling

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this is one of those things where you go like,

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I've had a lot of these questions this month,

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I'm going to go try to try to put something out

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there for people. Yeah and not all of them are

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you know educated or like they they know enough

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about the PACT Act but some of the veterans like

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read a lot and they amazed me with their questions

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they they make it hard for me sometimes so I

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love that I love that they're curious and they're

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they're they're just well researched and I want

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you know to make sure that all veterans do that

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for themselves and I know You also have a function

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on searching for ships. Tell me about that a

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little bit. Yes, so not all of the ships or at

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least some of the older ships in particular,

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sometimes they don't have enough crew members

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that are still alive. veterans will call me,

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and they just want to connect with a shipmate.

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And we help them with that. And we find out who

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is still alive. If we have a phone number for

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that shipmate, sometimes they submit their pictures,

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they submit their data, they submit their information.

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So we connect veterans with former Shipmates?

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Yeah, shipmates, sorry. I was like, I was laughing.

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And you also linked to the various ship building

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yards or shipyards that these American ships

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were built out of because so many, you know,

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ships got, if you were in the Navy or in the

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Coast Guard, sooner or later, you're probably

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on a detail that's taking the ship back into

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the dry dock. for repair work or maintenance

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or upgrades. So that's also a very interesting

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feature of your website. I suspect that gets

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a lot of play as well. Yes, so the ships, while

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the ships are very important, some of the ships

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have a lot of veterans that call me from them

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and some have less, but with the shipyards is

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particularly interesting the fact that they were

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working all day long in the shipyards and they

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would go home, they would carry all the, not

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just the asbestos fibers, all the toxins on their

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clothes and then their wives and children would

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breathe them in and eventually. years and years

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later, they get sick from the same exact illnesses

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that the veterans are sick of. When you and I

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were talking about setting this interview up,

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one of the things you said to me was that the

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call center is really the heart of what you do

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at asbestoships .com. Tell me what you meant

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by that. Yes, I would like to spotlight our call

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center. It truly reflects the heart of our organization.

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We are a small team, more like a family, and

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we pour our heart into every interaction that

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we have with our veterans. We have a high volume

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of calls. We can't answer every single call immediately,

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but we take messages and we follow up diligently.

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We call back as many times as it takes. I love

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talking to these veterans on the phone and I

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can tell that some of them enjoy doing that.

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Well, this clearly has to be a passion project,

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which most small nonprofits really are. But do

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you have partners or sponsors who've been helping

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you in this passion project? We have had a couple

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of sponsors, but they're very small. I do this

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out of my own. With my this is what I like to

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do with my own time Honestly, and I'm fortunate

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enough to be able to do it and to be able to

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help veterans who may be sick elder or alone

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navigating the VA programs and the claims and

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And I I hope I can support them as they deserve

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well, it does become very confusing and and because

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asbestos exposure as you mentioned is sort of

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generally just one of the things you got exposed

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to is along with all kinds of other toxins, you

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find that these older veterans have multiple

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health problems and sorting out what is tied

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to what and is their service connected and is

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there a medical nexus. It gets pretty confusing,

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I think for the veterans, I suspect that's what

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you hear in the phone calls. Yes, it is incredibly

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challenging. you know some of these veterans

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at one point they do need extra help so like

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we help them with the VA claim that they already

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they they already are processing or sometimes

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their VA claims get denied and then we help them

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with that but sometimes I do need to refer them

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and I tell them like hey you can actually get

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as best as trust funds on top of your VA claim

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and then we have to refer them out to a law firm

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because then They're the only ones that do that.

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However, I only refer them to law firms that

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I know that six months later when I call them

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back, they tell me, yes, I have been helped.

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And yes, I was able to be compensated. So we

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research on our end that as well. And I base

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everything. on the fact that we call them back

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and there is a result and there is like, you

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know, a lot of veterans tell me like, yes, I'm

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getting my claim and this is the process and

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I'm learning on how they're doing that as well

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and I'm posting as much as I can about that.

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Well, the website, as I said, is pretty robust.

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You can find out about your ship. You can find

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about the shipyards maybe that you went into

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or the ship went into. There's blogs set up for

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different types of information. How long has

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the organization been at this? I've been doing

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this for about 20 years now, since 2005. How

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that happened, huh? Well, I have lost somebody

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that has worked on one of these shifts as well.

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And that made me curious and made me research

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more information. And then I was just a wealth

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of knowledge. And I wanted to have all of this

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information and continue to help others. Is there

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a phone number that if people have questions

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about uh maybe their medical condition and it's

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linked to their exposure to possible asbestos

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in the navy or the coast guard or i suppose uh

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there's other exposures but i'm thinking ships

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primarily here uh that they should call yeah

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we uh um our phone number is seven six zero six

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two one six one four seven And I want to tell

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you also about the partnership. You actually

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asked me about partnerships and all of that.

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So sometimes we get listed in a lot of the VA

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offices, like the VA offices endorse us and recommend

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to veterans that they give us a call so that

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they get more help. And then we have a couple

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of other medical offices as well that we help

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with, particularly like VA centers and oncology

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treatment centers. So that's... Well, it's certainly

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a confusing area for, I think, a veteran who

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has such an exposure and 30, 40, 50 years later

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has a possible disease path. So finding information

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Finding a resource that'll provide you some more

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information is always useful, which is why we

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wanted to bring Christina Johnson from asbestos

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-ships .com to our veteran radio listeners. Christina,

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you're doing great work. Hopefully, we won't

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add too many more calls to the 50 to 100 that

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you get a day, but why don't you give out that

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phone number one more time? Yes, of course. Our

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phone number is 760. 621 -6147. Thank you, Jim,

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for having me. Well, we're really glad that you

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took some time this afternoon to talk to veteran

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radio listeners about the long hidden issue associated

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with this asbestos exposure, all these kind of

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things that show up decades later. Christina,

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we really appreciate your time today. It's been

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my honor. Thank you so much. And I want to thank

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everybody for listening to Veterans Radio today.

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I am Jim Fossone. It's been a pleasure to be

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your host. I'm a veterans disability lawyer at

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