1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,840 Hey, welcome to Veterans Radio. 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:09,160 This is Dale Throneberry, and we're rerunning a program from January of 2016 with Doug Bradley. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,480 And we're going to be talking about his book, We Got to Get Out of This Place, about the 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,280 music of Vietnam. 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,680 This is kind of timely because this weekend is our fundraiser. 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,960 It's called Radio on the River, and Doug Bradley happens to be our guest, and we're going to 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,320 be talking all about the music of Vietnam. 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,320 So we are going to be playing the program straight on through. 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,520 No ads, no nothing. 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,840 Just music and Doug and me talking about the music of Vietnam. 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,800 I do want to quickly thank our sponsors, though, because we can't do this program without 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:40,800 them. 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,040 So number one is Legal Help for Veterans, specializing in veteran disability claims, 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:52,800 call Legal Help for Veterans at 800-69-34800, or go to their website, legalhelpforveterans.com. 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,320 The National Veterans Business Development Council, better known as NVBDC, is the nation's 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:02,120 leading third-party authority for the certification of veteran-owned businesses. 17 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:10,720 For more information, go to their website, NVBDC.org, or give them a call at 888-237-8433. 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,180 The Charles S. 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Kettles 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:38,040 Vietnam Veterans of America, Chapter 310, both of Ann Arbor, Michigan. 25 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,200 Since this is our fundraiser, if you would like to support Veterans Radio, please go 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,640 to our website, veteransradio.org, and click on the donate button. 27 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,480 Want to thank you all in advance? 28 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,000 And now, here we go. 29 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:58,480 This is Doug Bradley, and we got to get out of this place. 30 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:08,480 All across America and around the world, this is Veterans Radio. 31 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:17,920 And now, your host for today's program, Dale Throneberry. 32 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:21,080 And good afternoon, America, and welcome to Veterans Radio. 33 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:26,200 Everybody puts your VHS on record so you can pay attention to what's going on during the 34 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,360 football games. 35 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,680 You also have to get your tic or tiac, however you pronounced it, when you were in Vietnam, 36 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,120 out and put in the two big giant reels and hit record because we're going to be playing 37 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,680 a lot of music from the Vietnam era. 38 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,040 And I want to say to all of our veteran brothers and sisters, thank you for your service and 39 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,040 welcome home. 40 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:49,520 From all of us here at Veterans Radio, we thank you, and so this program is dedicated 41 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:50,520 to you. 42 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,920 We are going to be playing music from the Vietnam era. 43 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:56,920 The name of the program actually is We Got to Get Out of This Place. 44 00:02:56,920 --> 00:02:59,280 Nobody really remembers that song too much, right? 45 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:04,760 Now, the soundtrack of the Vietnam War, this is a book that has been written by our guest 46 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,880 today, where there's supposed to be two of them, and maybe we'll get the second one in. 47 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,720 But Doug Bradley is going to be on, and Craig Warner put together the book, We Got to Get 48 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,920 Out of This Place, and it's the soundtrack of the Vietnam War. 49 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:22,160 And it talks all about the different music that was being played from 1964 up until 1973. 50 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:27,600 And you're going to be amazed by the diversity, and I think the changes in style and the changes 51 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,120 in the environment in Vietnam. 52 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,920 I was shocked, actually I was shocked when I was reading the book. 53 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,080 I guess I was very naive. 54 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:41,720 I was unaware of a lot of things that seemed to be going on while I was in Vietnam in 1969. 55 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:47,120 But then again, I guess as a helicopter pilot, I went, I got to go back to the barracks, 56 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,560 and I didn't have to do guard duty and all the other things that many, many people had 57 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:52,560 to do. 58 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,160 So I think that you're going to find it a very interesting program. 59 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,520 We're going to take a real quick break, and then we'll be right back with Doug Bradley, 60 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,080 one of the authors of We Got to Get Out of This Place. 61 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:13,080 We're listening to Veteran Radio. 62 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:38,080 I'm going to go home, I'm going to go home, oh, I'm going to go home. 63 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:48,000 And that is Detroit City, and that was by Bobby Barron. 64 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:54,000 That was recorded in 1963, just before the beginning of the Vietnam War. 65 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,560 And joining me on the line right now is Doug Bradley, one of the authors of We Got to Get 66 00:04:58,560 --> 00:04:59,560 Out of This Place. 67 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,760 So Doug, welcome to Veteran Radio. 68 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,280 Thanks, Dale. 69 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:08,480 I'm honored to be with you and with our brothers and sisters who hopefully will jump in to 70 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,480 participate in the conversation. 71 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,000 Mine was at Nakai, AKA I-DEC. 72 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,800 I've got it lined up, I'm ready to go. 73 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,760 Okay, you got that on extended play. 74 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,320 It's on extended play, right? 75 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,320 Yes, of course. 76 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:26,120 You can record, I forget, those are like eight-inch reels of tape or something. 77 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,720 Oh yeah, it was just amazing. 78 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,160 So tell me a little bit about how you got involved in putting this book together. 79 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,960 I found it was a fascinating read for me. 80 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,160 Well, I'm glad you liked it. 81 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:43,360 We talked to a number of warrant officers and some of your solo pilots. 82 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,720 So we tried to get around as many people as we could. 83 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:54,360 And the reality is, Dale, that one of the sad, perhaps the saddest legacies of Vietnam War 84 00:05:54,360 --> 00:06:03,240 was the lack of welcome home and reception and sort of attention that Vietnam vets received 85 00:05:54,360 --> 00:06:21,920 70 and 71, came back, did a lot of work with veterans, set up a storefront service center in Madison 86 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,280 for a variety of reasons, which I don't think we need to belabor and go into some places. 87 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:09,920 We're still fighting that war. 88 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:27,360 that I think helped become one of the examples and models for the vet centers that exist 89 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,360 now. 90 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,360 And, you know, so I stayed around with that. 91 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:37,240 And we just found one time, Craig and I were both together, the professor at the UW, we 92 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,720 were talking about music because he teaches a lot of classes about music and he had a 93 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,520 segment of the course devoted to the war and asked me what I thought about the tunes that 94 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,840 he had for that part of the course. 95 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:50,960 And I said, well, you know, my soundtrack is a little different here's when I was there. 96 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,160 The songs that I would include. 97 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,480 Next thing we knew, this is a little, you know, holiday gathering at a vet center. 98 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,400 We had six or seven vets around standing around and saying, what about this song? 99 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,160 Or no, I remember this and there was a band that covered that. 100 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,960 And we should have looked at each other and said, you know what, there's something going 101 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:09,960 on here. 102 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:15,840 And the more we talked to those guys and then the more that circle expanded and we talked 103 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:20,640 to people around the country, we realized so many men and women still had not been able 104 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:26,520 to talk about their experience had not been, you know, listened to or encouraged to talk, 105 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,400 but they could talk about a song. 106 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,960 And in the course of talking about a song, whether it was Detroit City or jet plane or 107 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,640 fortunate son or Dr. The Bay or books were made for walking, they started then to talk 108 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,080 about their experience. 109 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:44,520 And we sort of came away with this notion that music, our music, the best music, I think 110 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,920 it was frankly, and it was the best of country, it was the best of soul, it was the best of 111 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,760 rock, that that helps to sustain us. 112 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,120 It connected us as a generation. 113 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,560 It connected us to one another. 114 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,560 You could form communities around it. 115 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,920 It was a way you could sort of survive and keep your act together. 116 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,520 And then for some, it was a way to heal when they got back home. 117 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,920 So it was a joy to do this. 118 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:10,560 We are just so glad that the 200 plus people that we talked over the course of 10 years 119 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,040 invited us into their lives and shared their stories. 120 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:19,680 Well, that's for sure, and the music did evolve dramatically over that 11 year time 121 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:20,680 period. 122 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:26,240 And we're going to try and keep it somewhat chronological as we're talking about the different 123 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,760 kind of music that was there. 124 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:35,520 In fact, I was just reading a little bit this morning again, when the conflict broke out, 125 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,720 the war broke out with a golf of Tonkin incident and all these other things that were occurring 126 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:41,720 there. 127 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,520 And many of the people that were in Vietnam were career officers. 128 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:49,560 The draft really hadn't kicked in as far as sending people over there. 129 00:08:49,560 --> 00:08:56,040 And so we're looking at older soldiers and veterans, and they're still listening to 130 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,000 40s and 50s music, not necessarily the Duwai music either. 131 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Yep. 132 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,080 No, you're absolutely right. 133 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:07,240 And the other interesting thing there was that sometimes some of those songs, like Detroit 134 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,160 City, you talk about 63. 135 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,160 I'm there in 70 and 71. 136 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,840 I never heard that song when I was growing up. 137 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,120 I grew up in Silly in Pittsburgh. 138 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,520 I was more of an urban soul, R&B guy. 139 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:27,480 And you know, but Detroit City was played on every jukebox, every band, Filipino band, 140 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,840 you know, Korean band, Taiwanese band, Vietnamese band played it and covered it. 141 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,560 So it's like, for me, that song is 70 and 71, not just 63. 142 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:41,680 So some of that, you're right, the soundtrack really changed radically. 143 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:45,480 But I mean, when you look at some of the stuff, Detroit City out in 63, we got to get out 144 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,000 of place as popular in 65. 145 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:53,360 Those songs stayed in the Vietnam jukebox, if you will. 146 00:09:53,360 --> 00:10:03,120 Well, yeah, you mentioned this at all of the bands, the bands that we saw. 147 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,040 I've got to be careful here with these bands that we saw. 148 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,520 You know, had these cover songs and they played everything from the Beatles all the way up, 149 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,040 you know, probably after I left, you know, into the Jimi Hendrix age. 150 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:16,040 Absolutely. 151 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,040 Absolutely. 152 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,880 And it was, sometimes it was, you know, really good. 153 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:20,880 Some of them were excellent. 154 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,960 I mean, the Beatles were very popular at the beginning of the war also. 155 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:25,960 Yep. 156 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,240 And, you know, then they kind of fell by the wayside because they're, I don't want to say 157 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,560 their stuff was, I don't know, it wasn't as powerful, I guess. 158 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:40,520 You know, it didn't make you think as much until they later on in their career initially. 159 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:48,200 But when you were playing, you know, the Bobby Bears and, you know, Detroit City and one 160 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,960 of the other ones that I thought of that we put on the list, I'm not necessarily going 161 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,880 to play all these, but, you know, the green, green, grass of home by Porter Wagner. 162 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:56,880 Yeah. 163 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,760 Actually, I'm more familiar with the Tom Jones version of that song. 164 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:02,760 Yeah. 165 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:03,760 Yeah. 166 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:08,240 And it's a hit and, you know, again, and you're hitting on something else here too, 167 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:13,480 you know, that was very curious about this, you know, journey that we took with these 168 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,080 conversations and then writing the book is that, you know, a lot of people, I mean, Hollywood 169 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,720 did a thing of sort of reinventing what we think about Vietnam and everybody thinks it's 170 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:27,240 sort of, it's for what it's worth by, you know, Buffalo Springfield, you know, it's 171 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,520 country Joe, it's a feel like I'm fixing to die rag, it's the doors, you know, with 172 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,760 the cockles now and, but you know, more often than not, the men and women we interviewed 173 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,560 talked about Detroit City because that line, I want to go home of green, green grass at 174 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:47,040 home because it's about, you know, being away and missing your family and missing the girl 175 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,640 that you were in love with. 176 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:53,280 So some of these songs, you know, that maybe didn't have, wouldn't have had a lot of staying 177 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:58,280 power or didn't have a reason to because of the lyrics and the message. 178 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:59,280 I mean, Snoop John B. 179 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,720 You know, I mean, that's not a bad Vietnam, but you know, I want to go home. 180 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,200 This is the worst trip I've ever been on. 181 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,040 Some people just sort of quant the songs like that. 182 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,720 So it's really kind of interesting when you start to look at, you know, the chronology 183 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:19,440 and the changes, but also the stuff that stuck in state or anything about home, about missing 184 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,440 somebody. 185 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,840 I mean, songs about, you know, like Gloria because it's a guy's wife's name's Gloria. 186 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,360 So that's going to be his favorite song. 187 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:32,480 There was a lot of karaoke going on, but it wasn't called karaoke at the time, which 188 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:33,800 would be really embarrassing. 189 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:39,720 I got an email this week from Al Wood, who was a dog handler for the Australians. 190 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:48,360 And he's, you know, he sent me and he had recorded, he's had a bunch of AFVN programs 191 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,640 on his big giant, you know, recorder. 192 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,320 And so he's going to send me all of those. 193 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:54,560 Oh my God. 194 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:58,640 Which I, you know, I definitely will forward them on to you because I think this is something 195 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,840 that, you know, that is fascinating to me when we are talking about listening to the 196 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:04,840 radio. 197 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,200 And again, we are talking with Doug Bradley, one of the authors of We Got to Get Out of 198 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,700 This Place. 199 00:13:09,700 --> 00:13:11,200 And we really do. 200 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,720 I realize this is a football day and it's probably going to be tough, but I would like 201 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,440 you guys, men and women out there because, you know, nurses were very important over 202 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,600 in Vietnam as well. 203 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,760 I'm looking at the list that I sent you and you said, you know, how difficult it was to 204 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,040 come up with the soundtrack for Vietnam. 205 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,040 Yeah. 206 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,040 Yeah. 207 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,520 You know, there are hundreds and hundreds of songs that are so important. 208 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:42,640 You know, since I talked to you earlier in the week, I think I've just been on this quest 209 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,840 to hear as many as I possibly could. 210 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:52,040 And my head's about to explode on all these things because I was talking with Nina, who's 211 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:57,240 our assistant, who gave you the call and I was saying, I said, every song on this list 212 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,280 or any other list that I was reading about in the book, there was a place and there was 213 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:06,480 a time and there was an event and there was something else that was tied to that. 214 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:13,600 And you know, as a helicopter pilot, we were fortunate enough that we could listen to Armed 215 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,840 Forces radio all the time. 216 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:17,840 Yeah. 217 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,400 I mean, we had four radios going all the time, but the one that is lowest and kind of the 218 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:27,320 theme of the whole day was we had AFVN on our automatic direction finder, I guess is 219 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,400 what it was called in the time. 220 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:34,640 And so as we were flying, a compass needle would point to where the signal was coming 221 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,160 from. 222 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,560 And in our case, it was coming from Saigon because I was also stationed in Long Bend 223 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,240 and we'll talk about that a little bit. 224 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,240 But so the needle always pointed to Saigon. 225 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,800 And if we ever had gotten into any trouble, we'd say, you know, we're having a forced 226 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:54,840 landing, we're on a 320 radio out of Saigon, you know, going down, you know, 75 miles 227 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,600 out, something along those lines. 228 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:03,920 So we always knew where we were and this running musical theme was there just every 229 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:04,920 day. 230 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:05,920 Yeah. 231 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,680 I think that's a really, that's a great point. 232 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:14,840 And I think, you know, we know the guys that were out in the field, you know, in combat 233 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,320 on patrol, you know, they don't have the benefit of AFVN and what we're doing. 234 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:24,880 But even guys that we talked to and interviewed, you know, grunts that we talked to and guys 235 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,240 that really did some of the heavy lifting and fighting, they had a song in their head 236 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,240 sometimes. 237 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,520 And sometimes I would want to destroy the guy and he's saying, you know, I had this 238 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:38,520 song in my head, you know, from Leslie Gore, you know, and I had, I wanted to do it. 239 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,960 I wanted it out of my head because it was distracting me from paying attention to what 240 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:43,960 we were doing. 241 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,440 That's my party, right? 242 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:46,440 Yeah. 243 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,400 I think, and I think the other thing, you know, about what you're saying before is, 244 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:55,560 you know, this isn't unique to this situation and this war in these soldiers. 245 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,880 Everybody, you know, has musical associations. 246 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,640 I'm sure kids have run around now and they'll say, I remember the first time I heard Taylor 247 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,040 Swift or, you know, Kanye West. 248 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,400 I mean, we had that because that's the way the brains wired, you know, we've learned 249 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:14,080 since and some great studies have been done that where memory is in your brain is right 250 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,720 near where music is and where you hear. 251 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,000 And so the association is good. 252 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:25,720 But for us, what we think is, is makes this even special is that because of the trauma 253 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:31,520 of a war and the kind of war that was and what people needed to do in order to sort 254 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:37,520 of get through that the music took on an even greater power and meaning. 255 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,520 And sometimes songs that, you know, I'm sure we can talk about today or we'll come back 256 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:46,720 on, you take a song like Chain of Fools by Aretha Franklin, which sort of means one thing 257 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,920 if you listen to it in the States, if you're white, another thing if you're listening to 258 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:55,800 it in the States, if you're black, and then another, if you're in Vietnam and you're black. 259 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:56,800 And so it's just, yes. 260 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:03,160 So this became, you know, for us, like even more of a revelation and I think speaks to 261 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:08,560 the power of music and memory and also of the ability of music to help us to get back 262 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:09,560 home. 263 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:10,560 Right. 264 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,920 We want, I want to play a little segment of Aretha Franklin's Chain of Fools and that 265 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,600 was, that came out in 1967. 266 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:17,600 So we're all set. 267 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,600 Let's hear a little bit of this. 268 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:26,600 So, we're going to play a little segment of Aretha Franklin's Chain of Fools and that 269 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:56,600 is, I think, the most popular song of the year. 270 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:57,600 Okay. 271 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,600 So we're going to let that kind of play under while we're talking. 272 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:05,600 And as you said, that this song means things to different people. 273 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:06,600 Right. 274 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:11,600 And, you know, Aretha was, you know, I mean, she was the queen of souls. 275 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,600 She was on the cover of Ebony Magazine. 276 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:18,600 She was, she was the big R&B star of her generation, female. 277 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,600 And I think that's what she's really like about the guys about an Aretha song. 278 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,600 I mean, it's like with Hendrix and Aretha and TCR, I'd say, it's almost just who they 279 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:26,600 are. 280 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:31,600 Not, you know, I mean, some people like different songs and the person's work, respect, you 281 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,600 know, you know, Chain of Fools, etc. 282 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,600 But I mean, she was enormously popular and with the troops. 283 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,600 And what's amazing is I heard that song. 284 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,600 I was in college in 67 in the US and I liked Aretha. 285 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,600 And it was just, you know, she had done respect about, you know, give me some respect when 286 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:50,600 I come home. 287 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,800 It was her again saying, you know, standing up to a guy, if you're going to lead me around 288 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,600 and play me like a fool, you know, I'm going to break up with you. 289 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,600 I mean, it was like almost like pre-feminist, you know, you won the strong woman statement. 290 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:03,600 Absolutely. 291 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:09,600 Well, you know, some of the black men and women that we interviewed for the book, they talked 292 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:10,600 about it. 293 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,600 They were back home and they heard it. 294 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,120 You know, a whole different, you know, I mean, that meaning was there, sure. 295 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:23,120 But Chain, and when you think of Chain and slavery, was out during the civil rights movement. 296 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:27,840 Aretha wasn't, you know, very political or out front with her politics. 297 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,720 But like other black artists like Sam Cooke and others, they would do a thing called masking, 298 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,640 where she's saying once they do a white audience, but the black audience knows there's a different 299 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:37,640 meaning there. 300 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:43,120 And they took that about breaking the chains of slavery and being a pro-civil rights song. 301 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:48,520 Well, then you get to Vietnam with all that overlay and everything was going on racially 302 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:54,080 in the country that was compounded and even more challenging in Vietnam. 303 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:59,840 And you know, we talked to guys, black guys in there, in Vietnam who heard that song, and 304 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,240 it was about the chain of command. 305 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:07,200 And you know, we all talk about the Tet Offensive being the turning point in the war, you know, 306 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,240 about what it did with the meat, even though, you know, the North Vietnamese, you know, 307 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:16,040 it was a suicide mission, they didn't, you know, they were in tatters after that, but 308 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,200 it was a psychological victory. 309 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,800 And everybody talked about that. 310 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,280 Black GIs talked to us about the death of Martin Luther King as being their turning point 311 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:25,280 in the war. 312 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,960 You know, if we couldn't keep their black leader alive back home, what in the heck were 313 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:30,960 they doing over there? 314 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,840 What were they fighting for? 315 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,920 And one guy said, you know, when he went, when he heard about King's assassination, 316 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,080 he wanted to go out and shoot the first white guy he saw. 317 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,520 He was still angry. 318 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:46,400 But then he went back to his hooch, he put on Aretha, came to chain the fools, and he 319 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,880 sat there and he said, yep, he said, that's just it. 320 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,160 You know, that wine, one day this chain's going to break, he said, that's it. 321 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,000 I'm, you know, I'm not, I'm not doing this anymore. 322 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,120 I'm, it's going to be different. 323 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:57,400 I'm not going to, I'm not going to follow the rules. 324 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:02,720 It's not to condone that or say it's the way, but it's how somebody was feeling and 325 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,800 talk about the power of the interpretation of a song. 326 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:06,800 Oh, absolutely. 327 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:12,040 And I was going to kind of, when we think about just living through that decade and 328 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,360 all of the changes that were happening, not only in Vietnam, but also at home. 329 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:17,360 Everywhere. 330 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:23,560 With the assassinations and just, you know, and the riots and so on and so forth. 331 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,560 Music also played a part in, in recruiting just a little bit. 332 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,240 And I want to play just a little thing of the Ballad of the Green Beret, because this is 333 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,240 absolutely. 334 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:37,000 So let's hear this one for a second. 335 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:42,600 Fighting soldiers from the sky. 336 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,840 Fearless men who jump and die. 337 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:53,320 Men who mean just what they say. 338 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,920 The brave men of the green beret. 339 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,960 I think that song was played, I can't imagine how many hundred times that I heard that even 340 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,720 one hour is in flight school. 341 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,800 I think it was the only song in the jukebox. 342 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:16,960 And then, you know, this came along and then we also had the movie, the green berets. 343 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,280 And if you were in Longbing, probably at the other end of the base where I was, that was 344 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,040 the movie probably four nights a week. 345 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,760 I saw the first and only time, well, I've seen it since we showed up to classes that 346 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,120 we had in Madison. 347 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:34,720 But first time I ever saw that movie was in Longbing. 348 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,720 Yeah, I was there. 349 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,360 Projected up against, you know, a white wall. 350 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:43,840 And, you know, and everybody, you know, all the guys are sitting there and they're going, 351 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,120 don't go in there, don't go down there. 352 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:49,520 You know, it's like watching a, you know, a mystery novel. 353 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,440 And then the next night, oh, you know, it's like I was, I felt like I was in MASH when 354 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,640 that program came out. 355 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,040 You know, well, this is the only movie we have, so this is the one we're going to watch. 356 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:05,760 And but the idea was that the ballot of the green berets, even though it, you know, it 357 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,360 when did that come out? 358 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:08,360 66. 359 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:09,360 66. 360 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:11,760 50 years ago this week, in fact. 361 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:12,760 Right. 362 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,360 And I'll bet you that the special forces of the Army and the green berets still sing this 363 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:18,360 song. 364 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:19,800 Oh, I would not be surprised. 365 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:27,440 You know, it is, it raises such interesting, you know, and, and, and differing perspectives 366 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,440 from people. 367 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,880 But also when you think of that song, you know, out then at that time when the Beatles 368 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,640 and the Rolling Stones and the whole British invasion was going on, Motown had the Supremes 369 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,440 and the Temptation, the four tops, you know, the Moments and the Poppers came on the scene, 370 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,040 what was going on with music? 371 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:49,600 That was the number one song of the entire year about the green berets was the top song 372 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,800 of 1966. 373 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:58,720 And you know, we have, we have a number of different takes on that and different interpretations. 374 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:06,040 You know, we had a guy from Wisconsin who was an ROTC captain who, you know, when I 375 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,040 was going over and he that was his song. 376 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,200 And he thought it was like, because of that March, you know, you get a few men and later 377 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,680 you get the bugle call. 378 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,440 Yeah, he thought it was like, it was like on Wisconsin, you know, our fight song, we 379 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,360 were going to march across South Vietnam and win the day and go to the end zone and score 380 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:25,320 a touchdown and win for democracy. 381 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:30,280 But you know, his attitude about that song changed after he was there because he was 382 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,920 at some problems with the way we were fighting the war at the time when he was there in 1965. 383 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:39,080 I think probably as soon as he landed at Thompson Newton, he opened the door of the 384 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,480 airplane and he go, wait a minute, this wasn't exactly what I had in mind. 385 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,400 And the other funny thing was, including your fellow helicopter pilot, this was, you 386 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:55,560 know, the most parody song that I think that ever existed because the Marines had their 387 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,160 own song about it. 388 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,480 Different branches of the Army had their own song about it. 389 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,840 The Air Force had a song about it. 390 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,400 The Navy, everybody made fun of the song. 391 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,680 And it was one of my, and I remember even my buddy, Marty Hoyer, who's in the book, 392 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,360 who was a helicopter pilot, high priced help. 393 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:15,640 He was an officer, so he called his folk group the high priced help, the lines they had. 394 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,840 And it was silver wings upon my chest. 395 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,000 I fly my chopper above the best. 396 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,840 I can make more dough that way, but I can't wear no green beret. 397 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:31,920 We had some we couldn't reprint, you know, to take off from this song. 398 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,000 Well, yeah, that's understandable. 399 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,080 And I can't remember the lyrics that we came up with it. 400 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,680 I'm sure that they were just as bad at the time. 401 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,240 But, you know, and that's what we did. 402 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,440 The songs were very powerful to us and they were very important to us. 403 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,480 And there were, as you've mentioned before, there were very important songs. 404 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,120 And they were interpreted different ways by, I just mentioned this a couple of weeks ago 405 00:25:56,120 --> 00:26:01,200 in the program, they were interpreted differently by enlisted personnel to, you know, non-commissioned 406 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,160 officers to warrant officers to officers to generals. 407 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,920 How did they interpret these things? 408 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,080 And when, you know, we're going to come up on a break here in about a minute and a half. 409 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:17,040 And when we come back, I want to talk a little bit more about Armed Forces Radio and how 410 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,640 Good Morning Vietnam was a great flick, but it wasn't exactly true. 411 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,640 No, not close. 412 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:29,480 To everything that occurred when we were listening to the music over there. 413 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,440 And in fact, every time I watched Wheel of Fortune, Pat Sajak was a DJ. 414 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:41,720 He was, yeah, you know, yeah, he was on one of the great shows over there. 415 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,720 He was a DJ. 416 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,720 Right. 417 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,520 And it's always amazing the people that we're unaware of. 418 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,960 Well, look, you know, what I'm going to play a little song as we go out and into the news 419 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,960 break. 420 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:57,120 And so I'm going to tell the people across the hall here, let's go with number 10. 421 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,520 And that would be Fortune It's Sun. 422 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,520 Credence. 423 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,520 Great song. 424 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,520 Okay. 425 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,520 So we're going to play this out and then we'll come back after the news and talk some more. 426 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,520 Yeah. 427 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,520 And if James out of control, maybe people will call in. 428 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,520 Maybe. 429 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,520 Yeah. 430 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:20,520 So, number 4, 822-1600, you got a song. 431 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:29,520 Give us a call. 432 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:38,520 Give me an ass. 433 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:45,520 What the hell? 434 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:58,520 What the hell? 435 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:05,520 What the hell? 436 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:15,200 Okay, we decided we weren't going to play the Woodstock version of that one for everybody. 437 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,920 Everybody knows that's Country Joe and the Fish and the Fixin' Lundi Ragn. 438 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:26,600 That's kind of the switch over, I think, in the music of Vietnam. 439 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,280 We're talking with Doug Bradley, one of the authors, that we got to get out of this place, 440 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,160 the soundtrack of the Vietnam War. 441 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,760 Doug, that actually is one of my favorite songs, as weird as it sounds. 442 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,560 You're not alone in that, Dale. 443 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,560 And if it's not as weird, this is an amazing thing because when you think of the public 444 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:50,400 persona and this image that people have of Joe and the Fish and especially Joe, and, 445 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,920 of course, the lyrics of that song, when we met him, we went out to interview him and 446 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,320 meet him and we took a subway, he picked us up in his car to go to his house. 447 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,320 He went to introduce himself to us. 448 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,320 He said, I'm a veteran first and a hippie second. 449 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,320 I don't think many people knew. 450 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,320 I don't think many people knew that he was a veteran. 451 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,320 I don't think a lot of people knew that. 452 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,320 He was in the Navy. 453 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,320 He had to have his mom sign the papers when he joined when he was 18. 454 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,320 He had just turned 18 because he wanted to see the world. 455 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,320 This was an option. 456 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:24,320 And as we were going to break, two of the guys in Credence were in the military. 457 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,320 Jimmy Henders is in the military. 458 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:32,320 People forget that this is a generation where our fathers at one were two and they all had 459 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,320 served. 460 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:41,320 So even sometimes the circumstances notwithstanding, we signed up and a lot of us went and participated. 461 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:48,320 So Joe, he was in Pre-Vietnam, but he intended this song as Gallus Humor. 462 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:53,320 I mean, it doesn't get darker than that, but I think part of the reason it appealed to us 463 00:29:53,320 --> 00:30:01,320 is sometimes when things are bad and there's a chance it'll get worse, we used to laugh 464 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,320 in the military. 465 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,320 I mean, we would joke about our situation and that's what Joe intended with this song. 466 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,320 Well, a lot of people never got the joke. 467 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,320 He still gets hate mail today for that song. 468 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:19,320 But you and others, me, other guys that were there, Colonel Bo Gritz, who was a rough and 469 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,320 tumble, kind of hawkish guy. 470 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,320 He used to play that song for his soldiers to sort of fire him up. 471 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:32,320 So, you know, it can take on some different meanings and have different associations for 472 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,320 people depending on their circumstances. 473 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,320 Well, absolutely. 474 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,320 I mean, in the Gallus Humor, sometimes it's the only way you can survive. 475 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,320 Right. 476 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,320 I mean, if you thought about what could happen to you all the time, it could have, you know... 477 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,320 You'd go crazy. 478 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,320 Absolutely right. 479 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,320 It would be a little depressing. 480 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:51,320 And then the guys that were out in the field without the ability to listen to music, although 481 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,320 they got themselves fairly creative, it sounds like. 482 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,320 Oh, yeah. 483 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,320 They really had the tunes out there. 484 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:05,320 Let's talk a little bit about Armed Forces Radio Network that really was, you know, to 485 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,320 boost up our morale. 486 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,320 Can you talk a little bit about it? 487 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,320 Yeah. 488 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:15,320 And, you know, I'll give them credit for it because, you know, there was a great book 489 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,320 out and, you know, this is later in the war, realized that, you know, especially post-Vietnamization 490 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,320 when Nixon came in and we know we're leaving, we're turning the ground war over to South 491 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,320 Vietnamese, we're getting out of there. 492 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,320 That, you know, in order to keep our morale up, the book that this woman wrote is called 493 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,320 Arms with Abundance. 494 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:39,320 And she talks about how they gave us, you know, a lot of stuff and access to a lot of 495 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,320 stuff. 496 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:46,720 When you look at, you know, maybe a Ho Chi-65, 66, as opposed to a Ho Chi-70 or 71 like I 497 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,720 lived in. 498 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,520 I lived in air condition, but the officer working with the brass was, but, you know, 499 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:58,560 we had fans, we had Ho Chi-70, you know, we had music, we had tape decks, we had tons 500 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,160 of music, we had a little bar in the Ho Chi. 501 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,320 And I mean, we had some of the comforts. 502 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,040 And I think one thing they were dead right about was that music was going to keep our 503 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,520 spirits lifted. 504 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,120 So they did what they could do and went as far as they could with the format on AFVN. 505 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:20,000 Some of these guys started sounding like the DJs from back home, the playlist evolved, 506 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,280 there were still some songs that were banned and censored, but they did what they could. 507 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:31,880 And you know, and then we had tape decks, we had cassette decks, we had live bands, 508 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,640 we had USO shows, we had people touring Nancy Sinatra, Johnny Cash. 509 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:44,440 So music came to us in just like a tsunami and it was there to keep our spirits lifted. 510 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:50,520 And frankly, for me, music was huge, obviously the book is a testament to that, but even 511 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,760 before I even thought about writing this book, music to me had enabled me to sort of connect 512 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:01,000 with the guys I was with, the people I was away from, to survive the experience, and 513 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,320 then when I got back home to help me to get back home. 514 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,880 Well, there was, there were a lot of, obviously a lot of music over there. 515 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:13,040 There were stations, you know, the armed forces radio stations in Saigon and up north, there 516 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,040 was one up in, I think. 517 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,040 All over. 518 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:21,320 All over the place, but there were also some pirate stations out there. 519 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,480 And these guys were getting music faster than I think the DJs in Philadelphia were doing, 520 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,480 it seemed like. 521 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,480 Oh, absolutely. 522 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,600 This is the funny thing, we have a guy, one of the guys in there that talks about, a lot 523 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:38,720 about Hendricks, and he knew a fellow that, and it was the way, you know, that things 524 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:46,240 were sent over, but the short story was that he would get copies of popular music, especially 525 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:52,400 from the LA and San Francisco area, before this jockey in the States would have him, 526 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,240 because this guy was into the music industry. 527 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,240 And you're absolutely right. 528 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,200 You know, I mean, some guys still talk about the music Hanoi Hanoi play, you know, and 529 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,640 that they listen to. 530 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,920 And others talk about the pirates, you know, or guys just going on a different band, a 531 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,600 frequency on the radios that they had and playing music there. 532 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,400 You know, we wanted to hear this stuff. 533 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,400 It kept us going. 534 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,040 You know, there was a lot about it that we liked. 535 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,760 So we were going to find any way we could. 536 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,120 And I want to thank the Donut Dollies, your DJs, and the Red Cross nurses at a lot of 537 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,560 the, you know, a lot of the bases around Vietnam. 538 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,920 Music was coming and we were taking it. 539 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,920 Absolutely. 540 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,480 In fact, I wanted to, I'm going to have them play another little thing here, because it 541 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:42,320 was mentioned in the release on this and it's going to be cut number 16. 542 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,560 And in it, you mentioned that a Marine was, you talked earlier about not being able to 543 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,160 get a song out of your head. 544 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,440 And this is one of those songs that we couldn't get out of our heads once we heard it. 545 00:34:53,440 --> 00:35:10,440 So here we go. 546 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:38,240 And of course that was our generation's Sinatra. 547 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:39,240 Yes. 548 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:42,240 That was a Nancy Sinatra and that was from 1966. 549 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:46,400 Fifty years ago, yeah. 550 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,760 Another one of those big, big years. 551 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,760 And as you mentioned in the book, this Marine is out in the booties, couldn't get this out 552 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,760 of his head. 553 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,200 I know. 554 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,120 And sometimes you couldn't get the images Nancy Sinatra out of our heads either with 555 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,120 the one. 556 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,120 Well, we want to tell you that. 557 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,120 Absolutely. 558 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,920 You know, they, you know, the guys talked about, I mean, they were pushing this song 559 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,040 so strong and Nancy to much to her credit. 560 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:17,840 And I think it's why she is held in such high esteem to this day by Vietnam vets because 561 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:24,120 she went there and she had spoken very eloquently herself about that was like a defining moment 562 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,980 in her life and where things change because part of what stars like her did when they 563 00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:34,600 went there and performed was they also went to the hospitals to visit the guys. 564 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:40,280 And that, you know, that has forever changed Nancy Sinatra. 565 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,800 But man, the song and the way she looked then with the go-go boots and the short skirt. 566 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,680 Big white, tall white boots. 567 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,760 Yeah, I mean, so, but it's just amazing that for some of these guys, you know, we come 568 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,080 back and guys talk about it. 569 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,840 And of course, you know, you've got all that I've just mentioned to the appeal. 570 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,560 But you know, the other thing was that for some of these guys, when they think about 571 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,040 it, they remember how essential boots were to their survival. 572 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,800 You know, if you remember the foot gear in Vietnam and how it evolved and adapted, that 573 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,120 was, I think, one of the best designed combat boots ever. 574 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:16,840 I mean, because of the way it would air out and, you know, to handle water and could handle 575 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,200 the heat and the jungle and I mean, they were. 576 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,440 And but a lot of these guys would just tell us, you know, that song sticks in my head because 577 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,120 my boots were essential to my survival. 578 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,240 My boots were working. 579 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,240 I wasn't working. 580 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:36,360 So, if they've got Nancy, her appeal, the fact she went to Vietnam, it's a great song. 581 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,880 But you know, that then you also have just the real direct indication that this is a 582 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,120 part of your equipment that you need in order to be a soldier. 583 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,400 Well, it is fascinating what these songs mean. 584 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,840 I guess you mentioned the different people. 585 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,360 I want to play another one. 586 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,160 This is by the Charelles and this is Soldier Boy. 587 00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:02,160 I'll let you hear this one. 588 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:37,160 So, and that came out, you know, in 1962. 589 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,960 This was even before everything started. 590 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,360 And I can remember that song from high school. 591 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:49,240 But I can also remember hearing it a lot in the officers' clubs with the bands. 592 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:50,240 Yeah, yeah. 593 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:55,000 Well, and, you know, it's funny because as you mentioned, it's a song that was, you 594 00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:00,440 know, not necessarily Vietnam, so it's previous Vietnam in many ways. 595 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,680 But it's a song we all knew. 596 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,680 It's been in movies. 597 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,680 Oliver Stone has it. 598 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,240 A great scene in that and born on the Fourth of July. 599 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:11,240 But again, it's back to the thing of what the Charelles are talking about is what happened 600 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:14,000 to a lot of young men growing up in those days. 601 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,760 And that is they would go in the military and they'd leave their sweetheart. 602 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,160 Maybe they'd go to Germany like Elvis Presley, but they went in the service and they served. 603 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,240 And this is the whole thing about you'd miss them, you'd say goodbye. 604 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:28,320 But you know, a song like that sort of sticks around and hangs with you. 605 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,600 So even though, again, you know, it's an older song. 606 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:33,960 It was played there. 607 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:39,440 People would say, and then now we become soldiers and that song is talking to us, you know, 608 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,320 like we talked about, you know, Mr. Longley by Bobby Binton, same thing. 609 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,960 But it never had anything to do with Vietnam. 610 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,280 But you know, but in that line, you know, I'm a soldier, I'm a lonely soldier, you 611 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,280 know? 612 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,440 And those are the associations and connections people make and it makes it strong. 613 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,560 And hey, if it got you through a day or a couple days, thank goodness that you had that song. 614 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:01,560 That's right. 615 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:06,280 In fact, I've got another one that follows up on that one and you'll recognize this. 616 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:35,120 This is the letter by the box stops. 617 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,600 And we got a lot of letters, a lot of letters. 618 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,840 And unfortunately, some people got bad letters, you know, they're basically. 619 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,000 Yeah, the dear John. 620 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,360 Dear John letters. 621 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:49,240 And I know myself as a helicopter pilot, we had figured out how much fuel we would need 622 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:52,880 to fly from Vietnam to California. 623 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,800 We just couldn't quite figure what we were going to do with the over water flight stuff. 624 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,520 But we were working on it. 625 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,520 We were working on it. 626 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,200 You know, because, well, you knew. 627 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:09,760 You know, and as you mentioned earlier, you know, Nixon came in with his plan to get out. 628 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,680 I was, you know, Ho Chi Minh died in 1969. 629 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,880 So we figured this thing is going to end soon. 630 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:16,880 Right. 631 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,760 Unfortunately, it didn't really too much. 632 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:19,760 It kept going. 633 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:20,760 Right. 634 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,760 That's right. 635 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:22,760 Fine. 636 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,760 You know, I think you're absolutely right. 637 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,680 But, you know, that song, Lonely Days are going on going home. 638 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:31,040 Of course, you know, and it's something that, you know, I want to be to mention here while 639 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,760 we're there, well, you know, like you said, the lyrics themselves say that and the notion 640 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:36,760 of letters. 641 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,880 I mean, mail call, I was lucky enough in the rear we had it twice a day and you know, 642 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:41,880 we lived for it. 643 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,520 I mean, you know, we, I mean, not for the Dear John letter if that came, but you know, 644 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,560 it was our, you know, if you got, we're getting something from your folks, you get the care 645 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,880 package, you know, your girlfriend, your wife, sweetheart, your brother, your sister, your 646 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,640 friends from, you know, back home. 647 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:56,640 Right. 648 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,640 They was great. 649 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,280 The letters kept us going and they were, you know, we didn't have email. 650 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:00,280 We didn't text. 651 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,280 No, we were letter and it took 10 days. 652 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,280 Yeah. 653 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,080 But the other thing is that there were some, there were other things that, you know, like 654 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:13,120 we talked about a little bit with the, the green berets and that March and, and the bugle 655 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,440 call and there's, there were, there were some songs and this is where Hendrick's Joy comes 656 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,160 in and he's later, but that's sonically, you know, it's, it's some, you know, you can talk 657 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,680 about all along the watchtower, purple haze, you know, and we probably don't have time 658 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,680 to get into those today. 659 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:28,680 We'll do it another time. 660 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,840 We're going to be talking again, but you know, the sat, you know, the sound of Hendrick's 661 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,960 was very much like the song called machine gun. 662 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:42,240 You know, if you listen to his Star Spangled Banner Woodstock, he does, you know, the, 663 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:51,240 the, I mean, the call for, you know, for the whatever the naval call is, the stress signal. 664 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:55,600 And I mean, so it's like, so we, you know, lyrically, a lot of this stuff we talked about 665 00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,160 with Bobby Bear, we just mentioned about with letters, you know, boots, meaning boots, 666 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:06,080 but other times just sonically things made you and reminded you of Vietnam. 667 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:11,800 If you know, you know, anything, and of course we know, I mean, if you hear any of us here 668 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,800 a helicopter, we're there. 669 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,600 I mean, because that's, they were there. 670 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:16,600 It's everything in Vietnam. 671 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,600 Chopper's all over the place. 672 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,600 That is true. 673 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,560 I have to, we have to take another break, but we're going to be right back in just a moment 674 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,320 and on our way out on this break. 675 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,320 Let's see what we can play with this one. 676 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,320 Let's do, let's do a brown eyed girl, number 21. 677 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:32,320 Okay. 678 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,960 So we're all set to go. 679 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,560 I got a stretch while we're loading it up into the computer. 680 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,080 But here we go. 681 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,000 So we're going to take another break. 682 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,000 Stay tuned. 683 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,000 Come on back. 684 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,000 We've got more music after these brief messages. 685 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:52,000 Hey, where did we go? 686 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:59,000 So we're going to take a break. 687 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,000 Okay. 688 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:07,000 So we're going to take another break. 689 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:33,240 And I'm sitting here listening to Inna Gada De Vita with the same headphones I was wearing 690 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,680 50 years ago. 691 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,320 They're as big as tin cans. 692 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:43,600 And that to me was the, it wasn't really the changeover, but it was the changeover for me 693 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,600 as far as music was concerned because that came out in 1968. 694 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,320 That was by Iron Butterfly, folks. 695 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:56,680 And then we're going to key up here in just a second, number 24, which will be Jimi Hendrix. 696 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:57,680 All right. 697 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,400 We're talking with Doug Bradley. 698 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,280 His book is, we got to get out of this place, the soundtrack of the Vietnam War. 699 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:09,520 And we're only touching just the surface of some of these songs and what they mean to 700 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,720 the Vietnam veteran and to everybody else. 701 00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:17,400 In fact, I was talking with Inna earlier and she said that this music is outselling 702 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,960 today's contemporary music still. 703 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:20,960 Yeah. 704 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:21,960 Yeah. 705 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,720 You know, because I was downloading some of these things that are all remastered from 706 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:27,720 in 1960, whatever. 707 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:35,280 You know, the amazing thing is, we teach this course about this at UW Madison and these 708 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,120 kids are born like in, you know, 94, 95, 96. 709 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,840 Did you want to play a song and then have me talk? 710 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,840 No, no, no. 711 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:43,840 Go ahead. 712 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:44,840 Okay. 713 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,160 And so, you know, it could be the Pelton Asian Wars for all they know, but they know 714 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,160 the music. 715 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,040 And through the music, we tell them the veteran stories and we let them hear about the war 716 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,040 through the men and women who fought it. 717 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,080 And it's so ironic. 718 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:04,240 We have two TAs and they're both post-911 vets and they listen to this music because 719 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:07,000 their soundtrack was their own individual. 720 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,000 They put on a headset. 721 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,000 They had their iPod. 722 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,000 They played their own song. 723 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,000 They didn't share it. 724 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000 Ours was shared. 725 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,680 I mean, even if you weren't in Vietnam, you listened to Inna Gada, Davida and the letter 726 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,520 and Brown Eyed Girl and all the songs we talked about. 727 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,920 So it's like radio was our internet and we all listened to the same music. 728 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:25,920 Right. 729 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,920 And so what I'm having them do right now is we're going to start off with a little purple 730 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:58,920 have here and we're going to bring it up. 731 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:09,200 This drove my platoon leader crazy. 732 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,760 He couldn't stand it. 733 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:12,760 Every time. 734 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,160 That's why we had to wear the headphones. 735 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:20,480 When we'd start playing it and everybody's dancing with each other, he would stick his 736 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,200 head into our bar area and tell us to turn it off. 737 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,160 And so then we would go to something just as loud and up noxious to him as we could 738 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,200 think of, which is just what happens when you're 19, 20, 21 years old. 739 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,200 Right. 740 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,200 Exactly. 741 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,200 Exactly. 742 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,200 We were kids. 743 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,520 But you know what's amazing is that again, here's another guy. 744 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:41,520 People don't know it. 745 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,520 Hendricks was a soldier. 746 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,520 He was a bad soldier. 747 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,640 The Army got rid of him. 748 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,720 But he was a screaming eagle. 749 00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:53,520 And so it gives a whole different maybe definition to excuse me while I kiss the sky. 750 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,440 You know, if you listen to, if you know that Hendricks is in the military, but this is 751 00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,000 another one of those songs. 752 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:04,240 You know, because when I purple haze, I was in college and that song came out. 753 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:08,440 There was a form of acid that was going around for people who were doing those sorts of things 754 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,440 like a deluxe. 755 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,160 It was called purple haze. 756 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,960 So you know, sure it's a drug song. 757 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:19,680 Well, you know, you talk to guys in Vietnam and you know, we had the M18 smoke grenades 758 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,080 and what was one of the colors? 759 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,080 It was purple. 760 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:28,960 So for some guys, it's an LZ rescue, it's in the landing zone. 761 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,720 So then purple haze is associated with, you know, being safe, getting out, getting away 762 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:35,680 from something. 763 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:41,320 So again, you know, here's a guy, you know, who knows exactly what Hendricks was, you 764 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:47,560 know, but the song can have some different manifestations depending on where you were. 765 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,880 You mentioned in the book, there's a story about a tunnel rat and that's what he would 766 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:51,880 think about. 767 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,280 You know, I can't imagine being a tunnel rat myself, but he would throw smoke grenades 768 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,680 in there and that was the purple haze. 769 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,360 Yeah, and he would play the song because he didn't want anybody, he would put his little 770 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,600 cassette down there because he didn't want anybody, you know, he wouldn't want anybody. 771 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,560 Here I come, purple haze. 772 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:14,680 Yeah, I mean, as we've said already, we're going to probably try and do another one of 773 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,400 these with different songs, but you know, because, you know, and different units had 774 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,920 favorite songs also. 775 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,440 Oh yeah, absolutely. 776 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,440 Absolutely. 777 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:29,360 We are, ours were the Ghost Riders of the Sky and that came out in 1949 originally. 778 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:35,480 And I, I only thought of the Johnny Cash version, but this is a Vaughn Monroe and I forgot about 779 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:36,480 him. 780 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,680 And you know, the amazing thing about that, there's just another one that you're picking 781 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:47,680 like that and, you know, that it's got, it's set to the same melody as when Johnny comes 782 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,680 marching home, so maybe that's another reason it sticks in our heads way it does. 783 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:59,160 And you know, Robbie Krieger of the Doors says it was the inspiration for Riders in 784 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,460 the Storm. 785 00:50:00,460 --> 00:50:02,720 And that was a song that was that when I was there. 786 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:06,800 And boy, if that didn't have like a Vietnam feel to it, everybody thinks that the apocalypse 787 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,640 now in the end with the Doors, but for me, it's Riders on the Storm. 788 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,280 I mean, and it's like Ghost Riders in the Sky. 789 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,360 Oh, that was it. 790 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:17,360 That was an anthem. 791 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,480 And everybody would stand up for that one. 792 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,680 And that and the Skypile is another song by the Animus. 793 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,680 Yeah, yeah. 794 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,240 Yeah, it's a great song. 795 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:28,040 It's an amazing book, Doug. 796 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,680 And I really, you know, want to thank you and Craig for putting this together. 797 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,200 And I strongly encourage our listeners to go out and get it. 798 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:43,000 I mean, it's great reading is great stories, especially for you guys that were on the ground. 799 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,640 You're going to find a lot of people like you out there. 800 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,880 And there was some things going on in Vietnam that I even know what was going on. 801 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,520 I guess I was I wasn't paying attention, I guess, which is nothing unusual. 802 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,000 But that that's what I was talking about. 803 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,760 Where can we where can they get ahold of this? 804 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:03,760 Everywhere, right? 805 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,260 Yeah, everywhere. 806 00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:10,520 I mean, that's, you know, we hopefully your local bookstore, tell them to get it. 807 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:15,040 I think we heard the Barnes and Noble is going to have a display many of their stores around 808 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,040 the country. 809 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:21,240 And of course, you know, available Amazon, you can get it that way. 810 00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:25,360 You know, are from our publisher, you know, I could maybe help get people a discount. 811 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,400 But and we've also put together our own website for what we would hope today. 812 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:34,440 And, you know, people are there's there's a snowstorm, there's football, but it's the 813 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,040 WGG OOTP. 814 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,040 It's basically the initials of it. 815 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,040 Oh, OK, right. 816 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,040 WGG. 817 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,040 The only thing. 818 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,040 And we've helped men and women go there and share your story. 819 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,040 We got it. 820 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,720 We had a thing on that site says, what's your song? 821 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:53,240 And we want to hear from people because we couldn't get everybody. 822 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:54,240 What's your song? 823 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:55,240 Tell us. 824 00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:56,240 Right. 825 00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:01,440 Oh, and you guys could be doing podcasts for years on these on these different. 826 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,600 I'm glad I got a chance to talk to you and thanks so much for having me on. 827 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,120 I'm not quite done with you yet. 828 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,400 Because I got about a minute or so to go. 829 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:10,400 We're going to. 830 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,400 Right. 831 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,880 Yeah, we're going to go out on another song. 832 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,480 Well, we're going to go out on San Francisco by Scott McKenzie. 833 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,880 Oh, well, which is which was. 834 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,440 I know it's still a very emotional song. 835 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,840 Anytime I hear this song, it it it almost brings tears to my eyes because of course 836 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,080 San San Francisco is where I came back into the country. 837 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,880 Yeah, I'm here. 838 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,880 And it's where I left the country. 839 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,240 And here, you know, of course, Tony Bennett with his. 840 00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:39,880 But I left my heart in San Francisco. 841 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:40,880 Yep. 842 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,960 And so all of these all these songs have so much meaning and I want to get together with 843 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,120 you and Craig after the football season. 844 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,520 They're all over and we'll set up another program so that we can get you on and maybe 845 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,880 get some of the people that you interviewed in the in your book because. 846 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:55,880 Oh, that's the fun. 847 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:56,880 Yeah, that's a great idea. 848 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,880 That that would be very cool. 849 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,080 Yeah, let's let's try that. 850 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,680 Yeah, because some of you are what you call solo. 851 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,080 The articles that they wrote about their their memories of this music and so forth is really, 852 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,560 really important. 853 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,640 And as we always say here on Veterans Radio is that we want to make sure we get the people 854 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,880 that were actually there to tell the stories because sometimes authors kind of get confused 855 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,560 and you know, don't necessarily know what it was. 856 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,240 So anyway, I know what you're saying. 857 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:28,000 So anyway, Doug, thank you very much for being on Veterans Radio. 858 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,880 And my pleasure, Dale. 859 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:30,920 Welcome home, everybody. 860 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,400 And welcome home to you too. 861 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,160 Hi, ladies and gentlemen, this is the end of Veterans Radio for today. 862 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,120 Stay tuned for just a second though. 863 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:44,240 We're going to play the entire length of San Francisco by Scott McKenzie until next week. 864 00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:46,240 Not yet. 865 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:47,240 I'm hearing it. 866 00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:58,240 If you're going to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your head. 867 00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:22,240 If you're going to San Francisco, you're going to need some gentle blue hands. 868 00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:32,240 Welcome to San Francisco. 869 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:54,240 Summer time will be a long and dull industry of San Francisco. 870 00:54:54,240 --> 00:55:04,240 Welcome to San Francisco. 871 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:26,240 Welcome to San Francisco. 872 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:36,240 Welcome to San Francisco. 873 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:46,240 Welcome to San Francisco. 874 00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:56,240 Welcome to San Francisco. 875 00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:06,240 Welcome to San Francisco. 876 00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:16,240 Welcome to San Francisco. 877 00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:26,240 Welcome to San Francisco. 878 00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:36,240 Welcome to San Francisco.