1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,400 Welcome to Veterans Radio. I am Jim Fossone. I'm the officer of the deck today. I'll be the 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:13,520 skipper for the program. We've got some great interviews that we think you'll enjoy. 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:21,760 Veterans Radio is a production of Veterans Radio America. Veterans Radio America is a 501c3 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:28,640 nonprofit. All donations and sponsorships are tax deductible and you can go to veteransradio.net 5 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:35,520 to help out and also to leave any comments that you might have about today's program or any just 6 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:40,560 general comments or program ideas that we might be able to incorporate into a future program. So 7 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:47,760 we'd really appreciate that. A number of sponsors to thank before we get started. Legal help for 8 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:59,360 Veterans, a VA disability law firm at 1-800-6934800. 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It's great to be here and hope you are having a good day and I look forward to our interview. 16 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:06,240 Well, we wanted to talk with you about your background and your business and more importantly, 17 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:12,160 the value of being a certified veteran-owned business and going through the NVBDC process. 18 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:21,600 But let me start by telling our veteran radio listeners that you are a Marine that after 19 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:28,560 service in Vietnam, you had a very successful business career at General Motors and even a 20 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:37,520 more successful career when you set up your own company, SET Enterprises Inc. from which you retired 21 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:45,760 in 2015 and you currently are operating SET Consulting LLC. Tell us a little bit about SET. 22 00:02:45,760 --> 00:03:00,080 Well, SET starting with SET Enterprises, as you're correct, I started SET in 1989 and after a 22-year 23 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:08,560 career at General Motors. And what we did, we did an array of services in the steel 24 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:18,080 processing arena, mainly blanking and slitting and cut to length. And we did a lot of storage as well. 25 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:28,160 And we evolved into other processing arenas doing that span. 26 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:36,320 You grew SET considerably. Don't be modest here. Tell us how big it was when you were able to retire 27 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:45,280 out. Well, I'll tell you that the first five years, it was really tough. It was tough to 28 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:54,960 even break even, but I was one of the five employees that ran the equipment. I had one slitter. I 29 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:03,120 was in Dearborn, Michigan. And sometimes I slept in the plant and slept in my vehicle, 30 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:10,240 because I had to get product out to the customer. And to make sure I got it out, I stayed there 31 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:22,080 all night, many times. And started off my first year at about $95,000 in business. And when I 32 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:27,840 sold the business, I was right near half a billion dollars in business. So I'm very proud of that, 33 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:37,680 that I grew the business to the level that it became. And in fact, in 2008, Black Enterprise 34 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:48,480 every year does the 100 largest black businesses in the US. And SET Enterprises rose to be number eight, 35 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:56,800 the largest black businesses in America in 2008. So I'm very proud of that. 36 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:03,680 Well, as well, you should be. And you've been actively involved with NVBDC, 37 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,200 the National Veterans Business Development Council, which is the nation's leading third party 38 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:15,200 authority for certification of veteran owned businesses of all sizes. And the corporations 39 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:20,880 wanting to engage them, you've been very active in this in the last few years. Tell us if you would 40 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:29,280 said why a veteran owned business ought to consider going through the NVBDC certification process. 41 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:38,080 Yeah, just to amplify what you just said, James, you know, we are the premier certification agency 42 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:49,920 in America. And my hand goes off to two of my colleagues, Mr. Keith King and Mr. General Miller. 43 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:59,520 And these guys, you know, have put forth a plan process and strategy in place 44 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:06,720 that has put us in the position where we are now. And so I am very honored to be a part of this 45 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:16,720 organization and helping the organization to grow and expand. And it is a very necessary 46 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:24,080 organization because customers want to make sure that veterans are what they say they are. 47 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:30,240 There have been some documented cases where veterans have been able to go out illegally and 48 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:38,240 garner millions of dollars in business posing as a veteran. And obviously it was embarrassing to 49 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:46,000 the companies that gave them all the business. And one of the things that I did, aside from 50 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:53,040 getting those folks that did it arrested, it brought an awareness to corporate America 51 00:06:53,040 --> 00:07:00,400 that they needed agencies in place to actually vet and certify veteran organizations and make 52 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:06,320 sure that those kind of things didn't happen. And that's one of the primary reasons that 53 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:16,560 NVBDC plays such a vital role in bringing on veterans that are certified. We helped them in 54 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:24,880 many ways to promote their businesses to corporate America and grow their businesses and certainly 55 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:33,120 help grow the wealth of veterans, period. Well, and I think it's so important that this 56 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:40,320 organization NVBDC.org exists because as you say, it not only certifies the veteran-owned business, 57 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:45,120 now that now the corporate customer doesn't have to worry about, hey, is this a legitimate 58 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:53,360 veteran-owned business, but you're also, that organization has also actively engaged in promoting 59 00:07:54,080 --> 00:08:02,320 veteran-owned businesses. And did you find when running SET that it was helpful to you to have 60 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:10,400 that certification and have that promotion by NVBDC? Oh, absolutely. And ironically from, 61 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:16,720 you know, sometimes we say timing is everything. Well, about that time, because it was, you know, 62 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:25,520 it was a challenge to get some of the large companies to start, you know, I'm going to say 63 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:33,600 appropriate, you know, a percentage of their business for veteran-owned companies. And it just 64 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:40,160 will happen. I was the first, my company was the first one to be certified by the NVBDC. 65 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:48,960 And Keith came, when I received my certification, Keith came, we took a photo, I still have it 66 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:54,720 today. And so I take a lot of pride in being the first veteran-owned business to be certified 67 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:00,960 by the NVBDC, especially where we are now. I mean, we've grown exponentially. We've bought on a lot 68 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:10,480 of high-profile businesses. And just like Marines, we are always first. Somebody's got to be at the 69 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:16,320 pointy end of the spear. And Sid Taylor, you're right, Marines are there. So I want to encourage 70 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:23,920 everybody who's listening to this success story from Sid Taylor, who were spotlighting for NVBDC 71 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:31,440 today, who's grown his company from really nothing to a half a billion dollars, who's telling you 72 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:38,240 you should consider getting certified by NVBDC. There'll be great opportunities that it'll come 73 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:48,320 your way as a result of it. And you can find more about them at NVBDC.org. That's probably the best 74 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:55,840 place to go to get more information. You're exactly right, because after just following up on that 75 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:04,880 other question, after I became certified, Ford Motor Company, General Motors, and many others, 76 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:10,400 they start allocating a percent of their business for veteran-owned businesses. And at the end of 77 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:17,600 the year, they count the amount of dollars they spend with veterans. And guess what? A set enterprise 78 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:24,160 is capitalized on that exponentially. And they're still doing that today. Sid has been around now 79 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:35,360 for August, it'll be 31 years. And so I would encourage any veteran that's not certified currently 80 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:45,760 to go to NVBDC.org and go to certification link and begin the certification process. If you have 81 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,960 any questions, all you have to do is call our office. We have very experienced people there 82 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:58,080 that are very friendly. And that will walk you through the process. If you have any issues, 83 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,800 I know sometimes everyone is not as computer savvy as other, but guess what? We've got an 84 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:11,520 answer to that. We don't make you feel in any way uneasy. We will work with you. We will help you 85 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:17,680 to honor the necessary information that you're going to need to become certified. And if there 86 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:23,440 are some things that's missing, we work diligently with you to make sure those things are put in 87 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,560 place and help you to get to the point where you can get yourself certified by the NVBDC. 88 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:39,280 Sid, let me turn now to the question I'd like to ask veterans is, how did a nice southern boy like 89 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,880 you, son of a Baptist minister, find himself in the Marine Corps? 90 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:56,000 That's a really good question. Let me just say it's my father. My father fought in the World War 91 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:03,920 II and then I had a brother, my oldest brother. He was an Army vet. And when I came out of high 92 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:11,520 school, that was in 1966. I was 17. And my dad sent me here because my brother was working for 93 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,920 General Motors and he says, look, you know, I know you want to go to college. He says, so why don't 94 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:22,880 you go to Michigan and get yourself a job and maybe start working? He said he couldn't afford. 95 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:36,240 He already had my older sister and brother in college. So I came here in 1966 and I started 96 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:45,200 working for General Motors shortly thereafter. And I was doing a time in the Vietnam War, 97 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:53,680 being drafted and what have you. And so I was caught up in, that was the era of, you know, 98 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:58,800 when you turned 18, you had to go to Selected Service and sign up. And for the most part, 99 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:05,840 you know, you ended up in Vietnam. And I was one of those. And I can just say this to you, 100 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,080 I would not go to any other branch of service but the United States Marine Corps. 101 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:19,520 Hey, we're not getting paid by the Marine Corps for that. Hold on here, Sid. Sid ended up in the 102 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:27,120 third Marines, third Battalion Bravo Company up by the DMZ in South Vietnam, you know, involved in 103 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:38,000 a lot of combat and firefights, including being wounded and such. Sid, I think there, you know, 104 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:44,400 there comes a point where you get to reflect back on life and ask yourself, did I learn something 105 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,880 through that experience in the Marine Corps and serving in the military and how did I apply it 106 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,840 through the rest of my life? And I guess that's my question, as a successful first employee at 107 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:59,040 General Motors moving up the ranks and then as a successful businessman, now as a successful 108 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:04,240 philanthropist, what do you reflect back on your times in the Marine Corps that said, you know, 109 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,840 that really gave me this foundation that I've used throughout the rest of my life? 110 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,680 You know, that's an excellent question because, you know, at the time, you certainly don't, 111 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:22,240 you just don't have the wisdom to realize how important that moment is for you. And it's not 112 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:31,840 until later on after you've, you know, been exposed to, you know, all kinds of people that 113 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:37,840 gave you advice, guided you, and maybe you totally didn't appreciate it at the time, 114 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:44,080 but you evolved and you grew to appreciate it because there's so many things that happen in 115 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:50,000 life that makes you reflect back on those times and those incidents that might have occurred in 116 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:58,320 your life. And it gave you insight and it made you more capable of dealing with certain information 117 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:05,520 because of that exposure. And I'd say more specifically, the Marine Corps, you know, 118 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:13,840 taught me discipline. It taught me to never give up. It gave me an inner strength that I don't 119 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,880 believe that I would have gone or had I not went into the Marine Corps and certainly I had the 120 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:26,400 Vietnam experience and life and death experiences change you as a person. And I will say that, 121 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:32,160 I'll say that's the reason I'm still committed now, you know, to trying to give back. And one of the 122 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:40,000 things I'd like to let you know, you may get to this and so, but the, but I did when I came to 123 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:49,920 NVDC, I've developed and introduced a program. It's an NVDC 50 state scholarship program for 124 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:56,720 ROTC students and state managers. And so we have 50, we're going to have 50 state managers in every 125 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:05,920 state and we're giving out $10,000 scholarships to a ROTC student in every state and we're giving 126 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:13,440 them a brand new, high quality laptop computer. And so, and we're going to be doing this ongoing. 127 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:20,960 And I'm very proud now to, you know, continue my legacy of giving back to the community and 128 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:28,320 certainly doing this under the auspices of the NVDC. We've put a community flair now to the NVDC 129 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:34,720 and what we do. And so while we're helping businesses, we have now expanded our reach to the community. 130 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:42,080 It's a great program. And honestly, if you're not familiar with ROTC at the 131 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:49,360 ROTC at the college level or junior ROTC at the high school level, I'd encourage our veteran radio 132 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:57,520 listeners to search out that information. The junior ROTC is a fantastic community program 133 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:03,920 and this scholarship program just demonstrates a SID, not only your commitment to give back, but 134 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:11,040 NVDC. You have a history. You've been, you've made your own luck, right, over time and been 135 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:16,560 successful, but you have that's allowed you to have a history of giving back to the community. 136 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,120 Talk a little bit more about your philanthropic efforts. 137 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:27,200 Yeah, you know, one of the things, my dad was a was a Baptist minister and I think that's kind of, 138 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:33,840 you know, where I get, you know, that that foundation from. I just remember how he gave 139 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:40,640 of himself. He died at an early age, but I just remember, you know, he passed at three churches. 140 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:50,800 He actually had a radio show every Sunday morning. He did it for a business called 141 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:56,640 Household for the Nants and my dad and father could sing and he got on on the radio and he sang 142 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:04,560 and, you know, he preached a sermon on radio and as a kid, you know, I didn't think too much of it. 143 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:10,240 It wasn't until I became an adult that I realized the impact of that and his leadership 144 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,920 and how he used to give. We didn't have a lot of money or anything, but he used to give it himself 145 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:27,520 to the community. And so that was, if that was a genesis of me becoming a person that believed 146 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:36,160 it in philanthropy, I would have to credit that to my father. Well, you have continued to do that 147 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:41,440 throughout your life and so it's a proud legacy that your father has granted to you. And I skipped 148 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:46,960 over this and I want to make the point. After the Marine Corps, I think probably while at 149 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:52,640 General Motors, you went on to earn your bachelor's degree in business management and that's part of 150 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:58,960 that I referred to as sort of making your own lock, right? You have to do the hard work to get the 151 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,440 results and that's certainly one of the aspects of that. I suspect that you tell people. 152 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:14,560 Well, yeah, I went on and did a lot of things. General Motors Institute, the GMI at the time 153 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:20,480 is now catering and General Motors, I learned so much at General Motors in my 22 years there and 154 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:28,800 they promoted me and provided me an opportunity to get into management. That's what helped enable 155 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,360 me to go out and run my own business because I just had so much experience that I had 156 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:41,520 ascertained at General Motors and I went on to earn an honorary doctorate degree 157 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:52,640 from Madonna University and did some stent at Dartmouth, Northwestern, University of Wisconsin 158 00:19:52,640 --> 00:20:02,720 and University of Pittsburgh. From a training standpoint, you need that. What I say to young 159 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:10,640 people now, education, you need it, but you just can't rest on your laurels because at the end of 160 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:18,640 the day, the way I judge myself is at the end of the day, but what did I do? What kind of legacy 161 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:28,000 did I leave? Did I help someone else? In other words, don't just go out and be selfish. Find 162 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:34,080 a way to reach back. There's a saying that's used sometimes, each one, reach one. Well, 163 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:43,840 I take that mantra and that's the way I try to live my life now to try to help others. Now that 164 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:52,240 I have the opportunity to work with the NVBDC, it's given me an opportunity now to help generate 165 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:59,760 and create our next generation of military leaders. That's the reason that the JROTC is so important 166 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:08,080 because most of these students are inclined to go on and become military leaders, maybe a 10 167 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:17,760 West Point Naval Academy, et cetera. I feel now that we have a very important role to play as 168 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:26,400 NVBDC and we certainly can assist now with the next generation of officers and military leaders. 169 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:32,480 Well, again, it's a great program that's NVBDC is rolling out to all 50 states and you sort of 170 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,760 answered one of the questions I was going to ask as we come to conclusion, which is, 171 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,160 you know, what would you tell a young man or woman about joining the military today? And obviously, 172 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:47,520 you would still be telling them that this is a, for many people, this is a very good option and 173 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:53,520 a way to go. So let me switch it up and ask you sort of a related question because it's easy to 174 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:59,120 think, well, yeah, he started his company way back when, you know, you could never start a company 175 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:05,120 today. What would you tell a young person today about starting a business? Oh, you know, one of 176 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:12,400 the things that you have to do as an entrepreneur, you know, and I used to talk to young people about 177 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:19,440 this look, you need to make sure you develop, you know, first of all, it starts with a dream. 178 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:26,160 Starts with a dream. And once you dream and you're really committed to it, then you've got to develop 179 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:32,560 yourself a plan. And with that plan becomes strategies and then execution. But the main 180 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:39,200 thing that you have to do from a mental standpoint is be committed to it and have a no give up attitude. 181 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:48,400 You know, yeah, take advice, but don't let people discourage you because sometimes if folks aren't 182 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:54,320 in that same mindset, you know, they talk about the risk. Well, there's another saying, the greater 183 00:22:54,320 --> 00:23:00,800 the risk, the greater reward. And I certainly had people question me, even some of my family members 184 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:07,120 when I left Geronimo, there's after 22 years, my wife, I came on my wife, I was going to she says, 185 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:18,880 what? You're eight years from retirement, and you're leaving Geronimo. And so, but the rest is 186 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:26,320 history, you know, and so, so what I would say to them, James is, is follow your dreams. I mean, 187 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:32,480 you know, sometimes, you know, you hear that said, it's kind of said, you know, kind of ingest or 188 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,120 sometimes people just say that maybe not real make no the true meaning, but I will say this 189 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:45,760 authentically, that follow your dreams. And if you know, and I say everything has to start with a 190 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,640 dream and then you get that burning desire because that's what happened with me at General Motors. 191 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:57,200 I didn't all of a sudden wake up one day. It was it evolved over about five years. I said, you know, 192 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,880 I think I can go out and do this on my own. And so it wasn't just one day I just jumped up in 193 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:10,400 the left General Motors, it was a process. And so I would say, encourage all young people to, yeah, 194 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,680 you may have to work for somebody initially when you come out of college or whatever kind of training 195 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:22,080 that you may get even in the military. But eventually, you may see opportunities out there. And I would 196 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:28,000 say, if you see opportunities, opportunities come by all of us every day. And I remember in one of 197 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:34,320 my economic classes, the professor said, and I didn't really know what he meant at the time. He 198 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:43,680 says opportunities will come at you every single day. And the tagline was though, but then you 199 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:53,280 got to seize it. Absolutely. Yes, I think we also just got some marine advice from Sid Taylor here, 200 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,200 which was you have to have this burning commitment and don't give up. You have to be 201 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,560 committed to take the hill and keep charging up that hill, no matter what the setbacks are. And 202 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:09,200 you'll learn that in the Marine Corps as well. You sure do. We want to thank you, Sid Taylor, 203 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:15,840 for taking some time this afternoon to talk to Veterans Radio to highlight your, not only your 204 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,560 military career, but more importantly, the business career that followed your philanthropic 205 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:28,400 efforts and where those come from, and allowing us to spotlight NVBDC and put a spotlight on the 206 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:35,760 value of being a certified veteran owned business for the promotion of your business. So, Sid, 207 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,800 thanks for taking some time with us today. Well, James, thank you for this opportunity 208 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:51,440 in closing. I would just ask anyone that's listening to go to NVBDC.org. And if you're 209 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:57,040 interested in becoming certified, please take the step. If you have any questions, 210 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:02,880 call our office. Again, someone will be there to help you. We look forward to hearing from you 211 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:08,480 and making you a part of our NVBDC family. Thank you, James. You got it, Sid. Thanks for being on. 212 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,680 And I want to thank everybody for listening to Veterans Radio today. I am Jim Fawson. 213 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,240 It's been a pleasure to be your host. I'm a Veterans Disability Lawyer at 214 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:27,280 Legal Help for Veterans. And you can reach us at 800-6934800 or legalhelpforveterans.com on the 215 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:34,320 web. 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