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I'm so happy to be with you guys here at Formula.
Today we are going to talk about a topic that I love.
Because in therapy, experts in religion and spirituality tell us that it is important to forgive.
The one who rests is the one who forgives.
And it has been my turn every time I have released something that I have let go, with the help of a professional.
Because sometimes the offense is so big that it stays in my body, in my mind.
And when I finally forgive and let go, obviously I rest and my life is better.
But no matter how much they tell us that, when we face a great offense, a great betrayal, something that leaves us...
How is it possible that this has happened? How is it possible that you have done this to me and we get into that internal dialogue?
Well, it's not easy to let go and let go.
So this program is dedicated to the topic of forgiveness, but the forgiveness of a very special offense, which is betrayal.
Today's question is, could you forgive someone who betrayed you?
Someone you gave all your trust to, someone you even said, I'm going to share my life with you, I'm going to have children with you.
And that person lacks the commitment, the word he gave you, for whatever reason you want.
Could you forgive? That is today's question.
And precisely, three people who love this topic are going to join us.
First, we have the psychologist and doctor in human development, Juan Antonio Barrera, author of the book,
What Does the Other Have That I Don't Have?
He also has his program, Radio, more than 30 years of experience.
We are going to talk about the subject of fidelity and betrayal.
Also comes the psychologist Audrey Vera, who is a psychologist, a thanatologist and co-journalist, who is dedicated to working with loss.
Because betrayal is a loss.
When you lose what you had or what you were hoping for because someone betrayed you, it is a loss, a great pain.
And we are going to talk about forgiveness, how forgiveness works.
Can you really forgive?
And to close with Broche de Oro, my dear friend Claudia Lizaldi comes, who is an actress, a conductor, an entrepreneur,
who lived a betrayal that was public because it was published in the media.
And the truth is, my respect is for her because she not only forgave, but also closed her cycle,
because forgiving does not mean that you stay with someone, but she closed her cycle by throwing a party where she celebrated and thanked what they had lived together.
It is a true example of forgiveness.
And the truth, for Claudia, my respect.
I do not know how to talk about her process and how she managed to get to that place and how she does to behave very well today,
in fact, with the father of her children, who betrayed her and it was public.
So, could you forgive?
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Today's question is that, would you forgive an infidelity, yes, no or depends?
I repeat, that is today's question. Would you forgive an infidelity, yes, no or depends?
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So, we like it or we do not like it, it is very likely that at some point in our lives,
or they already put us in the corner, or they are going to put us in the corner, or maybe we have been the ones who have failed
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The mind capable of creating the reality that we allow it to create.
Don Miguel Ruiz, author of the four agreements, says,
always that the reality is created by agreement.
And at the end of the day, the fidelity or the agreement in couple is that.
It is a reality.
I don't think it's better or worse.
But it is a reality, it is an agreement.
The problem is when the agreement breaks.
When you and I agreed on something and we promised something.
And we said no.
Because there are many people who say,
hey, I don't want to be in a monogamous couple.
And then I don't agree with that.
And I think it's perfect.
Let's see what our guests tell us today.
But the problem is when we say, hey, you and I.
What is mine is yours, yours is mine.
This mouth does not see another mouth.
But suddenly the agreement breaks.
Well, today we have the honor of welcoming Juan Antonio Barrera,
psychologist, teacher, human development doctor,
author of, it's great the name of your book, welcome.
What is the name of that book?
What's the other one I don't have?
And you have your radio program at the Mexican Institute of Radio, in the Imer, right?
In the Imer, in Radio Ciudadana, 660, Thursdays at 10 in the morning.
It's called Las Parejas Disparejas en Radio.
Ok, so I ask you from your point of view, you have 30 years of experience.
From your point of view, why are we unfaithful?
Why is it pure warmth?
Let's get to the point.
Is it mere warmth or why do we break the agreement that we established?
We have an instinctive part that makes you able to focus on who you like.
In fact, if we look at it throughout history, the primitive man
was supposed to have a sexual diversity.
Technically, nothing happened because there were no laws or rules.
The Greeks and the Egyptians were exactly the same.
There were certain agreements about infidelity, but it wasn't a big deal either,
except that they would fall on you in the same life, and if you were already married,
it would generate more mass to women than to men.
But the Greeks were not only monogamous, but they were also bisexual.
Yes, and there was no such thing in that sense.
If we criticize them from this point, if we can draw many conclusions,
we have to understand history in its context, in its moment, and nothing happened.
It was a sexual diversity, both of the primitive man, the Greeks, and the Romans.
Today we give it another interpretation.
Because we have other agreements.
We have other agreements, but your introduction caught my attention.
Why? What did I say?
Because Epictetus said, 100 years before Christ, we don't see things as they are, but as they are.
That is, if I have a more open mind and I see some issue of infidelity,
I might say, well, if there was an agreement, it failed, we open the agreement,
we make new agreements, or what happens?
And we think we have love and hate, and that they are the opposite.
Well, no, when you reach a certain forgiveness, it is like indifference.
If there was an agreement, it failed, it was left out of my side, and there is indifference.
But that's the problem, isn't it? The problem is breaking the agreement.
It's that route we reach that is very difficult.
Why? Because it generates emotional pain.
A lot.
Because it generates a very strong impact, and it depends on how you find out in that sense.
There is an expert worldwide called Esther Perel.
When she talks about infidelity, she says it's a secret relationship.
But it's also a relationship where someone makes you feel special.
And also, you run the risk of reaching an emotion, which is love.
The problem is not experimenting.
It's not that they suggest or I suggest.
That's how it works.
She talked about monogamous.
Eduardo Punset said we are monogamous.
And it lasts four years, because four years is the time children grow up.
They can be a little independent.
It's an interesting way to see all this, because there is something called alleles.
Alleles are part of the DNA.
There are alleles that are related to dopamine.
Therefore, there are people who are constantly looking for the pleasure of seeing where I have it from a person, from a meal, from something.
And there are other people, there are other alleles that are related to vasopressin.
Which is also related to fidelity.
So imagine an environment where you bring those alleles.
But it's also very permissible, the environment where you are.
It's not that it's sodium and gum.
It's simply more permissible.
There are more possibilities for you to cross the line, even if you have had an agreement.
Gurit Birman, psychology professor at the University of Richmond in Israel, says that infidelity is contagious.
The old saying is, tell me who you are with and I'll tell you who you are.
It's polysemic in what sense?
It has many interpretations.
Today you can be unfaithful because of the networks.
Today you can be unfaithful only because you were looking at a person and you say, why did you look at that person?
And also the word fidelity, what does it mean and for whom?
Fidelity is for oneself.
I am faithful to my principles.
I am going to tell you a surrealist thing.
At some point in the consultation room, a couple arrived, they were talking about their case.
And he says, he hit me.
And I ask the man why.
He says, I was dreaming that she was being unfaithful to me.
Then I woke her up and hit her.
So the mind creates reality.
Therefore, there are people who, if they are jealous, maybe they have already created the broth of cultivation so that the other is unfaithful.
And suddenly he says, you are blaming me for something, I am not, but I am going to do it just so you can blame me.
Now I take advantage.
Hey, but I want to return to the original question.
We started being monogamous at some point in history.
I don't want to divert the subject because it is a very interesting topic.
And we are monogamous because it is also regulated through the state, through the church.
But it was private property, it was a private property issue.
When we stopped being nomads and we said, this is my land.
I don't want to share it with anyone.
I want to establish an alliance with another country or with another region.
So we are going to be monogamous and there we stop it.
So that my children receive what I produce.
And you know what the paradox is?
That among people, it is called dogma when you only relate to people from the same group.
There was dogma, so parents related to children, mothers to daughters, with children, with cousins, with uncles.
And in all of this.
And then two contracts and the offspring was paying for it because in inheritance it was charging you monogamy.
With diseases that generally came from the heart or the same as blood or the same as deformity.
Hey, we have a few minutes left.
That's why I want to, the topic is super interesting and I hope it's not the only time you come to the program.
But why are we unfaithful?
In practice, in the reality that we have today, you get tired and say, I'm going to be faithful, you're going to be faithful to me.
Why is it unfaithful?
It's for fun, for warmth.
It's very fast.
There are three programs that are also activated.
One is called lust and we all have that possibility that someone likes us.
Another program is called romantic love and it establishes a relationship where you have the possibility of having objectives together and a partner.
And another one is called a hit.
If the three of them worked in a synchronous way, imagine after 30 years of marriage, you wake up and you like your partner.
Then you have the same projects together and separate and you have a great time being with your partner.
What happens?
What can those three programs work independently?
Then you can have one, two or three programs activated with lust that you like three people and you could be unfaithful because you are with the three people.
In the part of the hit, you could still have a relationship with one or two people.
And the same with romantic relationships.
That is, the three programs that are related to love take you to different places.
The first one is lust.
So why are we unfaithful?
We have a program related to that because you decide to do it despite the agreements.
Because we have those ailments that are related to vasopressin or dopamine.
Also because of pure heat.
Because the issue also works.
I have had people who are sick from some mental illness and they still have a desire to have sexual relations.
What does that mean? That comes from the deepest layer, the reptilian complex.
Then the instinct program is activated to be with someone else.
Fortunately for some people, that is the last thing that affects them.
It is difficult to control nature.
Of course.
So what happens with those people?
Suddenly they find themselves naked or knocking on the neighbor's door to see if they have sexual relations.
If the brain is damaged, that part is not damaged yet.
Then the desire part is still active.
And the relationships of being with the other are still active.
So to handle lust is not easy.
It sounds like a sin, religion does not put it as a sin.
But it is an energy that if we want to be faithful, we have to be aware that we will have to fight against this natural energy.
Yes, and David Brooks, who is a writer from the New York Times, says that they do not teach us in school to have friends or to preserve friendships.
They do not teach us to have a route in life.
And the worst thing is that they do not teach us to control our instincts.
Of course, that is a big problem.
Because if you do not tie that desire, that passion, then you go crazy.
So that is something that we should be taught in school.
We have these instincts and this is how your instincts are handled.
Because we are not animals.
And we can name it emotional intelligence.
Yes, you can be very angry or very hot, let's think of it like that.
But the thing is that because you are like that, even because someone likes you, it does not mean that you are unfaithful.
Hey, but emotional intelligence, let's take a break, but emotional intelligence develops like a muscle, like going to the gym.
It's like God, send me intelligence, even so with emotional intelligence.
It is an apprenticeship and it can be reinforced and it can be developed.
Okay, we have, the conversation is very good.
In the next block we will add to the conversation our dear psychologist, Thanatologist and coach Audrey Vera.
Why a Thanatologist? Because precisely when someone is unfaithful to us, beyond the fact that they end or do not end the relationship, there is a loss, a huge pain.
And precisely it is the Thanatologists who work with loss and pain.
And Audrey comes to talk to us a little bit about forgiveness that is mixed with this issue of emotional intelligence.
It is super super interesting, let's take a little break.
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I am seeing the confessionary.
Today's question is, would you forgive an unfaithfulness?
The majority, but by a little 39% says no.
In second place we have the dependent 35% and there is a 26% of the people, I'm surprised, 26% of the people says that if I would forgive an unfaithfulness.
Wow, super interesting.
Well, continue with us the psychologist, doctor of human development Juan Antonio Barrera.
And our dear Audrey Vera joins the conversation, who is a psychologist, panatologist and ontological coach who specializes in loss.
Audrey, is unfaithfulness, betrayal, a loss?
It is one and several losses.
We are not only talking about that betrayal because we put all our trust in that person, but everything that is being lost throughout that fall of 20.
At the moment when you realize that there is a betrayal, that there is an unfaithfulness, where you are placed.
You are the person who was used to having a type of relationship where there was a commitment, agreements like those who spoke a while ago.
And at that moment you become another person.
That is, that past where you were building a healthy relationship or let's say within the agreements that were in the relationship,
now it becomes a past that has no future, so to speak.
You could be the girlfriend, you could be the wife and at that moment you become a person who does not have a correct path to go or a path that can give you a guide, a spiritual guide above all.
Because this self-concept that you have, the self-image that you have, is crumbling.
The part of self-esteem of feeling perhaps not enough for that person is also damaged.
That is, there are many losses.
The plans, the future that we had.
The plans for the future. Maybe that is what hurts the most.
Yes.
Because we make a movie of what is going to happen in the past, in the future, sorry.
That is how we are going to be old and if we have children, if we are going to see our children grow up or if it is a relationship of boyfriends, it is not all that you believe in in the movie.
And sometimes that can be much, much more painful than what is present.
Of course.
The illusion, the death of the illusion.
Exactly.
That is why the Buddhists say that to be excited, to move forward to the future is the origin of suffering.
Of chaos.
Of chaos, yes.
The movie that I believed in, that I directed in my mind, comes down as if it were already happening.
Exactly.
It is better to live in the present, to live with what we have in our daily lives.
But when there is such a great pain, when we experience this betrayal, when we stop trusting ourselves, then we have to stop.
Stop, analyze how the situation is.
If this infidelity, because sometimes it could be that it was a matter of two, how our relationship was doing, what happened was the drop that spilled the glass.
That maybe we were dragging many problems behind.
Or not.
Or simply, in these agreements that we had, the other person decided to be unfaithful because he wanted to.
Or curious, as I was saying with Antonio.
Or even because of the issue of reaffirming.
There are personalities that suddenly have this need to be reaffirming constantly with couples and that cannot be like us.
It is somewhat an immature personality.
That is, they do not have a establishment to form a relationship where they can have peace, so to speak.
So they need several couples to feel safe, to feel that they have more power, etc.
A question, and I do not want to deviate from the subject because the subject is to arrive at forgiveness.
But sometimes it is said, I do not know if this is true and if it has science, that men, when we are unfaithful, are more by lust.
And that women, when they are unfaithful, although there will be some out there, some lustful, it is more a matter of emotions, it is a more thought-provoking issue.
But the question, that would be a topic, we can continue.
But the question would be, when it comes to forgiving, is it easier to forgive because it was by lust?
Or is it the same, or is the betrayal the same?
Is it that I put you on the line because I won the lust?
Or I put you on the line because I have a relationship with another person, I got emotionally involved?
Is it easier or is it the same thing?
Look, if we talk about who is the one who is going to forgive, who is the one who is going to forgive.
So here we put it in context, it is like, you were the one who was unfaithful to me, let's see why it was, and now I'm going to see if I forgive you, the person who was on the other side.
It is depending on the tools that are available.
It is neither more nor less.
If you have tools to know yourself, to self-evaluate the situation you are going through, forgiveness will not necessarily have to do with what the other person did.
Obviously there is pain, of course, we are human beings, of course there is pain, and that is where the job begins.
Because to begin with, the pain that comes from the surprise, right?
Wow, I realized, wait a minute, I didn't expect it, someone who I think is on my team scored a goal.
It is like entering a crisis, just as it is.
So here what our brain, our body, our emotions, the stories with which we have grown at home, are the ones that at that moment enter the game.
And then you say, how are we going to get this woman or this man out of the crisis, from betrayal?
And then it appears first, to feel the emotion, whatever it is, all emotions are welcome, but not to get stuck in one,
as for example it could be anger, resentment, frustration, not having achieved what you had thought with that person.
And each one of those emotions, a while ago you were talking about emotional intelligence, as Howard Gardner puts it,
it is like each one of the emotions are welcome, but you cannot stay in one, because if it is not an emotion, it would become something harmful for you, for your health.
For example, pain could become if you lengthen it into suffering.
So after these emotions, if the other person has a sincere repentance and begins to do things, so that that changes,
only like that, because there may be people who say, hey, forgive me, please, look, it was just a custom, and look, it did not mean anything, you are everything to me.
And at the time, the week, the month, another time they will find out that you went to hell, or you start to hide lies, which is another part.
It is not only part of the betrayal, but there is also in that relationship that you start to make it much more visible,
and that surely there were already signs, unconsciously, that you did not notice, but that now with this situation you already notice.
And when it comes to confessing, I say, this is not the program for advice for unfaithful people, but everyone, sometimes, when I was 17 years old,
I was unfaithful to a girl I had. When you go to, when they already caught you or you tell the truth, it is better to say it already, everything complete as it goes, right?
No, no, or partial, because although we are going to suppose that I have good intentions, I am going to regret it, it is better to let go of everything.
But I am going to return a little more to the question that they asked, why? Because if you ask me right now, what would you do? Would you forgive her?
Would you not forgive her? Yes, it is a hypothetical thing, which is different from when it is already happening to you, there already are emotional reactions.
So it depends.
It depends, but it depends not on personality, it does not depend on the context, but I think more on the moment.
If you find out now, publicly, that someone is being unfaithful to you, of course you are going to get super angry.
Of course, because apart from betrayal, which is the case of Claudia Elisadi, who comes later, which I really respect,
because the way she handled it, from my point of view, was very admirable, it is not only betrayal and personal pain, but public humiliation.
Of course.
Because everyone finds out, and in that case they were media and people were asking, and they came out there, as I remember, the recordings.
So it is like a cocktail of pain.
And as you say, it depends on the personality itself.
In the tools that you have, you can say, well, thinking about it, we are not attracted to it, right?
May the wind of blessing go well, and if you are not attracted, or you remain the same, despite the fact that there will be another betrayal, it is called attraction by frustration.
Attraction by frustration.
And that means that the person who deceived you, the person with whom you were unfaithful, you continue to forgive them and they continue to attract you.
Because that is how the term is called, not because I say it.
This is how it works.
I had never heard of it.
And you can stay there, detained, or you can still say, well, I think you deceived me, even if it has no element, and since I am not willing to go through that, there we cut it.
And I am not willing to give a centimeter to this.
So, going back to the answer, the ability to respond depends on what level your emotional intelligence is at, which the two have already mentioned.
Exactly.
That is why you have to go to the gym before.
Because I went to therapy, since they betrayed me and I am in a crisis, go ahead, you have to go, obviously, you have to go to therapy.
But sometimes people go to therapy only when things are bad.
You have to go when they are fine, precisely to develop your emotional intelligence.
The way of prevention, as in any area of medicine and emotional medicine. If I have noticed that in certain areas of my life I do not have the capacity to let go, to detach myself from situations, from people, from pasts, or if I am a person who lives constantly living in the future of what is going to happen and I do not focus on the present, that is where it is.
Like this alarm to do something before it happens.
Now, if it happens, nothing happens.
I always say, in the end, all the experiences we have in our lives serve us to know what we are made of, what capacity we have, even that resilience, to overcome adversity.
And in that way, with those learnings over the years, we understand what we want in a relationship and what we would not happen again.
The issue here is not the same. To say, okay, well, that's what it is and I'm going to recover.
When it happens to you, as it happened to me in a honeymoon, that I was on one side and on the other, they put me in the right place.
Several people, I just put it once, but hey, it's not the same as having a honeymoon relationship, as with the case of Claudio Elizaldi, who after the break is going to come and be with us, where there was a life, a project, financial issues in between, two children, a whole life project.
Together, that is why to forgive at that level when there is already a whole dynamic of family established, that is a much more difficult challenge.
And after the break, Claudio Elizaldi is going to share with us how he did it, because he even celebrated separation with everything and the slug.
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And we have a tie, look at the confession, to forgive is infidelity, tied at 34%, the no and the depends, and 31% says yes, including Claudio Elizaldi.
What a woman, what does she know how to forgive?
It is very important for happiness.
Of course, Claudio Elizaldi, a TV host, actress, now a podcast host, writer, entrepreneur and professional forgiver.
Yes, but don't abuse, right?
Don't abuse.
I do forgive, but I don't stay.
Well said, doctor, at first, the first infidelity I knew was two years of marriage, and there was before, what happened was that it was the first one I knew, it was not the public.
No, no, no, but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Why did it happen?
Because we were talking about the illusion, the suffering that comes is in the measure of the illusion that is built, we agree?
The expectations that are built, Alberto Cortes said, the higher we fly, Mariana, the more the fall hurts.
I remember when we saw each other on a television program and you told me about Eymond, and you told me, Marco, I'm in love, he's a meditation teacher, a personal development teacher, we are one, we have a wonderful click, he's a lecturer,
you know what level of personal development he has, and all this is real.
He has it, you know him.
I knew him, the first podcast we did, I had to delete it because it was Claudia Eymond talking about the perfect relationship, and we were joking that the perfect husband, and Claudia, how did you find it?
You said the perfect husband.
I said it and there was Dr. Acavulli, the psychologist, and how did you find the perfect husband? And the first episode of my podcast was to tell me about this wonderful relationship, so the perfect couple sounded on paper, how not to be excited, Claudia?
No man, how to break the photo, what they said is very strong, when you, why did it cost me and you talked about attachment, what is it called? Attachment to frustration, or how was it?
Attachment, no, attraction by frustration.
Attachment by frustration, I don't know if I had that topic, but I did have a family to protect, and I had a family to take care of, and I knew very well from the mouth of all the women around us, that's why I talked so much,
they say why are you talking about your private life, why? Because I am a woman who as a communicator wants to share with other women that this is not forgiven, that fidelity is an option,
it is possible that if the man did not know how to fly and today he has planes, that if the man did not cross the sea and today he has boats, not by nature we cross the oceans, but how about we do it well?
If not by nature we are faithful, it is practiced, it is achieved, it is an attempt for love, which I think is fantastic, because at the hour of the hour it does not matter the subject of bed, and they do not have the same,
because there are better relationships with some people than with others, there is more chemistry with some people than with others, but I do believe in fidelity, I believe in monogamy,
but of course throughout a 9-year relationship where there was all the people who are married and are honest enough, not only publicly, which is my case because I have to be a public person,
but internally, he knows everything that needs to be worked on and forgiven in a relationship that lasts, there are no perfect human beings and that is where forgiveness begins, I am not perfect,
and since I am very clear about who I am as a human being and I have great teachers who I have spoken with outside the air with Audrey, I have many very good tools,
I start with myself and then I accept the mistake as the teacher who is and when accepting the mistake as the teacher who is, I accept that my partner can be wrong,
he can fall and who am I not to raise my partner when this mistake is one two three four five and in my case it was many times, not only the public,
is that I am going to tell you the gossip, the public I already knew months before because I had already given Aymond permission, permission that who am I for,
we had already made an agreement that was in our safe of a new family version in which he could be with whoever he wanted and we had signed it,
part of those agreements is that he will take care of me as he did not fulfill that agreement because one tries many things,
I would remember that things were no longer well in the relationship, I tried to save my marriage 9 years and I was 9 years on the edge of the divorce,
the reality is that when something does not work, I am going to quote it because I have two extraordinary children, the best thing is to close the folder, in my case with Iam,
because I got married pregnant, it was great but there was something in me that stayed and she arrived and as soon as she arrived, my daughter who is now 8 years old,
there was something inside me that said to you, ready, let's go.
There you felt that the relationship could already close, as if we already had something that we came to do together and they renegotiated their relationship,
that was before I decided to divorce, that was in 2018, for many things that I am not going to tell because maybe one day I will make a book because there are many things,
let's say that the relationship had been turned off, let's say that sexually, I told you that, no,
Oh no, sexually everything was fine. I always say, I love it, that's another topic of another program,
but many women will have it like me and men too, that men have also been unfaithful to them, sex was present, current.
The indicators of sex sometimes decrease in the marriage but that increases.
I'm going to tell you, for example, one thing that happened to me that I will never forget, one day we were together making love,
and Eymann told me, like something said, like he understood why I look outside if I have everything here,
and he told me, because men always, Marco taught me one day, men always tell you what it is, but one becomes gay,
and human beings in general, because I am not going to talk about, oh poor women and men, I am not a victim of any circumstance,
I chose that relationship, I chose that husband, I chose to stay and I know I chose well,
because I have an extraordinary relationship with my ex-husband, an extraordinary relationship with his ex-wife,
with his son who is my son, with Simon who is 24 years old, with his girlfriend who is Paulina,
and like the other day I interviewed my son for the podcast, we talked about this divorce ceremony,
which has caused a stir many times in the media and he asked me so many times,
and I said, well, now we are going to the point of view of the child that I tell, today of almost 14,
and at 18 he hugged the whole party, because when we closed this cacao ceremony,
I did a divorce ceremony, each one of you invited me, I couldn't go,
we did a cacao ceremony, he didn't invite anyone,
Audrey, I would have loved to have done it, because let's see, I would have loved to have done it,
I said, I love it, things hurt, and it hurt me as your, but that, to share in suffering,
I don't have time, I don't give myself permission, I don't go there, as the gringos say, it's okay not to be okay,
but I ask for how long, is it okay, is it okay, but for how long,
if I go, it hurts you.
You decided to limit the time of the pain and the pain.
But that's one thing I've been saying since I was five years old.
I have lived and seen and I have had to go through many things,
this is not the first time that I have had to go through,
neither for a transition, nor for moments of pain, nor...
I learned to be happy from that girl, and that's why I know that happiness is a lesson,
no matter how horrible it sounds, no matter how much mental health,
no matter how many psychologists who throw themselves at me, in my case.
They have thrown themselves at you psychologists?
Oh yes, how, because happiness is not forever, happiness is not a decision,
and people who suffer suffer because they suffer in life and because life is horrible.
And I unfortunately do not agree with that from personal experience,
but when Miguel Ruiz, author of the four agreements that we know, my dear teacher,
who is another dad, asks René Franco,
why did Miguel make a book with Claudia Lizaldi?
Not like that, no way, I was also twenty-something years old when we made my first book.
And Miguel says, because she knows how to be happy, and that's not something else.
It's not anything else, it's a muscle that is practiced.
So of course, Eimon fell in love, because he fell in love with a happy person,
when I said to him, I'm going to divorce, and that's it, that's it.
And Eimon says, but you are happy, and I say, no, it's a point and a part, dad.
I'm happy, I'm going to be happy forever, but I don't want to be in this relationship anymore.
Hey, summarizing, because time is running out, we could spend two hours here.
But then you enter the relationship, at some point you see that things are not, they are not good.
Because look, Eimon had, and I say it publicly, because he also did it publicly,
he had, now he's been a couple of years without drinking, and that is said to people who suffer from addictions,
and the people we are in relationships with addictions.
The real problem of my ex-husband was addictions.
I mean, I was with a person who had brutal addictions, and that his reactions,
I mean, alcohol was, was, was another person.
It's a disease.
If I tell what I saw in my relationship, is that they don't believe me, I don't tell, I tell this piece,
because why should I tell the rest?
Of course, we have a few minutes left, so let's summarize, renegotiate the relationship,
and you tell him, you can have other.
2018.
You can have other couples.
Yes, yes, yes.
But you.
No, but I also told him, also, no, but I'm going to have a lover too, I was 39 years old,
and I said, I'm going to stop, oh, it's that as I said to him, the word with a C.
But the agreement was, take care of me, that it is not made public.
Yes, I am a public person, of course, we take care of each other, and two months later, public.
It was an audio, right? That appeared everywhere.
Yes, because this, Eimon loses the ring, who wants to look for the audio, let's see, what did I do with the audio?
That people will say, I heard the audio, of course, I put the audio in front of my ex-husband,
there is the audio, and then I want to hear what you heard, but I want to see your face.
Wow.
I put the audio in front of him.
And how do you get there to have a divorce party where he is included and where you thank
and celebrate the closure of that cycle?
How did you forgive?
Because, let's see, I forgave Eimon a lot before, many times, it was already a practice in our relationship,
sorry, the doctors, learn what I'm talking about, and the people who were honest with them too.
Relationships last, because there are two people who are willing to grow together,
and to grow together there is a lot that happens in that relationship.
And there is profit too.
And I do, and there is profit, a lot of profit in the personal relationship.
If you put yourself next to the victim, you stop seeing how those profits were shared,
although the relationship was not optimal, as you might want, but...
I would love to tell you that I would love a perfect relationship, but I would lie.
I like real relationships where we are two human beings growing together.
And there is a lot of fire in the middle and many things happen.
I am not perfect, obviously I am another human being within the relationship.
You know it, Marco, I love to love.
And my ex-husband has fantastic things, he is also a fantastic human being.
And that is the issue, that one says, oh, but it's good, oh, but no, oh, but we have this, oh, but no, I want this.
And that is where you start to negotiate with yourself, when yes, when no.
And then, first of all, of course, the forgiveness happens.
How do I forgive? With a lot of common sense.
One, and two, a lot of sense of humor.
Sense of humor, you can have sense of humor.
I deeply recommend sense of humor in the middle of pain.
Because nothing is forever, it didn't happen only to you, it's not because of me.
Because you are a person, mommy, Elizabeth Harley also put you in the corner, and Angelina Jolie too.
It doesn't matter how beautiful, it doesn't matter how good, it doesn't matter how much sex there is at home, it doesn't matter.
What matters is who is the other.
And that is where we apply Miguel Ruiz's.
Don't take it personally, it's not personal, it's the other being himself with the experiences he needs in this life to grow.
And I think my ex-husband has grown.
I think it's a better version of Eloy.
And I think we came to that agreement to grow together.
And today we are the best parents we can give to our children.
But I see the result in those children and I say, we are not so bad, they are extraordinary beings like Miéla.
And that is great.
And surely Miéla will have her problems in life, hopefully, because they come to learn.
They are human beings who come to grow.
That is emotional intelligence that is developing, as Claudia said, not on the day of the party, not the moment that happens to you.
If it's not a process of... If we get out of the defense and you can take the joke as a person.
If I laugh at Claudia, I'm laughing at her misfortune.
But if you take it personally for yourself, then it lightens the burden.
And if the others laugh at you, you also take it with humor.
I am a public person and I have read comments from myself.
As for what?
I say to my children, because I have also made my children, at their young age, know in their gradual moment,
but they already know what is published about their parents, about their mothers.
Why? Because we are people.
At the time, when I was with a public person, I did not use social networks.
I got into their role and it is very cool, very healthy for mental health.
And I am still public and I am still the honest person I am.
Because talking about one like that is not so bad.
But telling your children, saying, look, that's what was published.
That's the truth.
That's emotional intelligence too, right?
And for them, receiving and loving their father is emotional intelligence.
And understanding their mother is emotional intelligence.
You have not spoken badly of...
They have had a relationship with her.
Of course, the superiors have always been.
And you still have them.
And I still have them.
And when they go to my house, they stay there, we have breakfast together, I invite them to breakfast.
And I say, one day I'm going to die, Marco. And when I die, I want to die in peace.
Without remorse.
I just remembered, they had just
left.
And he said, thank you for not crucifying me, for not judging me.
Claudia is not doing it, thank you for not doing it.
And I follow what Claudia says.
In separation, it is not only the goods that you have to distribute, but even the friends.
Your own identity is broken down and then, ok, what do I do with my identity?
You are solving it very well.
The first moment of breaking the photo is the one that hurts a lot.
But when you scratch it, I had the perfect photo, Doc.
I had the photo, the garden, the dogs, the cars, the children, the big boy, the little girl, all beautiful.
They are all in the jungle.
Well, the one you never took out of the jungle, that one was already, we already had separate rooms.
There we were already in the agreement of you, your world, me, mine, let's try to save the family.
But they had, that is also an important part, to accept what did exist.
Because many times, in infidelity or when a relationship breaks down, you try to deny what was in the past and what they built.
That is what existed. They made the perfect couple as they were in the podcast.
And there you were, only that the way of seeing each other was transformed.
And something that is also super important is that an infidel person does not necessarily,
or let's put it, a person who had an infidelity so as not to put it as the infidel,
does not necessarily have to be a bad person.
It's like we are human beings, as you said.
Naturally, when we invite them to close these emotional cycles, we make them build a letter,
which is to give them a letter, all the good, which is what Audrey is saying,
all the bad, which maybe was what, the agreements they had, but which later broke down,
and then you say goodbye.
If you are a believer in something, let's say you support those beliefs, but if not, you simply say goodbye.
And when you do it that way, you finally recognize the good,
you see that there were some bad things because there are no perfect relationships,
and you say goodbye and you continue your journey.
And not to divide friends, not to enter a plebiscite of today you are with Claudia or you are with Eimon,
because one as a friend is left in the middle, right?
But they start to fight as if they were already in America and Guadalajara.
Because you hate the other, because you are angry, because you get stuck in the pain,
which later becomes suffering, and you want the other to die and that it does not exist,
and you are the worst person in the world, and you do not see yourself in the mirror,
and you lose the great opportunity to see yourself in the mirror and continue to grow.
The woman I am today has to do with all these mischiefs.
I would not have been assaulted by any ex-boyfriend, any mischief, any pain,
because I love this Claudia.
And what the doc says, there was the letter, there was the burn, and then there was the letter burn,
because the burn was public, well, it was there, and there it is, because everything lives on YouTube.
But Doc, there was the cacao ceremony. We were 40 people with parents,
parents of our children, my parents, sister of Eimon, Shimon, who I love,
who continues to call me Cupa and I am not her sister-in-law.
Because love is real, because love is real, I keep carrying my jastro because it is my son, it is another son.
That cannot be broken.
Sorry to interrupt, let's close the program, but I want to close with that,
there was gratitude in that ceremony, they thanked what they lived, not the betrayal,
not the problems, but the lessons they lived.
They closed that relationship with gratitude.
My father spoke, my parents, there was a microphone, we were 40 people in a circle,
and I, well, I'm crazy, I've always said that I am, and I love my madness,
because it's beautiful and it's loving, and I don't hurt anyone.
And in all kinds of ways, I am the villain in people's lives, because that's how we are all.
But, yes, we passed a microphone and everyone spoke of the relationship we had,
because Eimon and I were crying in that house where everyone came.
Yes, crying.
There were parties, there were, you know, Marco, then, well, they all thanked us,
because we all cried, and in the end my son said, and at the age of 8,
he took the microphone and said, I want to talk too, he was the last one who spoke,
and he said, that really moved me, thank you for being here,
thank you for supporting my family at this moment, who wants a hug?
And he gave each person a hug at the age of 8, and one of the 14 tells him,
super happy with the human being he is, because he is already without attachment,
he is already a empathetic person, it is an extraordinary ceremony, that's why.
How beautiful, Alexis.
What a great learning experience your son has.
We say goodbye, what are you doing?
We say goodbye with a round of applause for your son, for Ian,
for that level of emotional maturity and love,
and to understand the message that your daddy is sending you.
A round of applause for Ian.
And friends, we close for Telefórmula, after a little break,
we will continue on the radio with questions, answers,
and we will get more juice out of this topic,
but in Telefórmula you can stay with Maxine Goodside,
thank you for being with us here.
Thursday and Friday we will be in Guadalajara, Jalisco,
we will be broadcasting from Guadalajara,
we have a program tomorrow, Mexico City,
Thursday and Friday in Guadalajara, we will close this first week
with a bunch of gold.
Thank you, thank you for being here with us.
What a beautiful lesson, what a beautiful lesson.
I love you very much.
May love live.
And you know what? And Marco, you know, keep trusting.
We keep trusting.
We will stop, we will return on the radio.
Get ready.
Continue the conversation with Marco Antonio Regil in Fórmula.
We continue for Radio Fórmula, we are with the psychologist,
the doctor of human development Juan Antonio Barrera,
Audrey Vega, is that Vera, sorry, psychologist,
thanatologist, and pathologist,
and also with Claudia Lissalli, the master of forgiveness.
The master of forgiveness.
You call me a friend, the goddess of love,
because you have to love a lot.
Well, you are very loving, but you are not dramatic,
because I receive all the information on WhatsApp,
from Claudia, and I say, friend, I already knew someone,
friend, we are done, friend, I am having a hard time, friend,
I don't know what.
I mean, it doesn't tell you the middle of the drama.
The book, the book by Claudia Lissalli,
I could write it on the WhatsApps I have.
I don't scold you, how can I scold you?
I have never scolded you.
You have to do it.
I don't scold you.
I am lovingly correcting myself.
No, lovingly, when she says, Marco, this is happening,
I say, what did she tell you?
And she says, this and this and this.
What does she mean?
I say, nothing, it's a man.
If she said one, two, three, it means one, two, three.
Because she wants to find the meaning.
She says, no, she said one, two, three, it means one, two, three,
we are very simple, we are not, doctor.
The dimorphism.
That's how it's called, dimorphism?
Dimorphism.
Dimorphism, form, dimorphism.
Dismorphism, sexual.
What is that?
It sounds funny, doctor.
The capacity, the difference between how men and women think.
How we solve certain things,
how the way we solve problems are structured.
The form, of course, dimorphism is form, it's a difference.
Now, that doesn't necessarily enter a cultural theme,
it's like if you are a child, you are dressed in pink,
and then you are blue, and then men are stronger in certain things.
No, there is also a cultural theme.
We can be born genetically different, with different structures,
but there are skills that we are developing over time
according to what we are doing.
And since we got into the subject,
do women have more capacity for forgiveness than men?
I think it rather depends on the tools of each human being.
Of each human being, it's not man or woman.
Because I wanted to say, I was told a lot,
why do you meditate?
Since I was a child, I started meditating.
I have always been very close to God.
Marco and I shared that since I was a child,
I wanted to be a nun, I wanted to be a father.
Today we have been very bad nuns and very bad fathers.
We have been very bad.
A little bit of a mess.
Yes, yes, yes.
But well, the point is that I do believe that tools are useful,
and you have to have them in that box,
because there is a day when you are going to use them.
I remember when I read the book of the Tibetan book of life and death,
shortly after the first person died,
a very important person in my life, my maternal grandfather,
and he gave me all that information, powa and others.
Even powa, which is a practice of delivering your pain,
to relieve a little of the pain of the world,
it helped me when I was giving birth to my son.
Because I have my son and my daughter at home without a nanny.
Sharing.
And that practice helped me a lot.
So there are things that one, as they said,
it's not because you need them,
because you are going through a bad moment,
and then you run to the psychologist,
you run to pray and she complains.
I'm begging you!
No, well, prevention, or before you visualize,
before you build and so on.
But those tools have always jumped at me,
in these moments that are, in addition to all,
I am not the only one who has died,
nor have people put the crown on her.
Understanding that gives a lot of peace.
I am not the only one, I am not that victim,
do not victimize yourself.
Hey, in threads, it's at Marco Antonio Regiles,
comments are coming, nubet77 says,
I already forgave her, I went out losing, so no,
infidelity is not forgiven,
and for a little face, an emoji,
smoking through the mouth.
Veronica Muñoz says,
that's why you have a mouth,
when you no longer want to be with your partner,
the more it is worth talking and ending a cycle,
the more painful it is to end,
it is less painful than infidelity.
You feel that it is not worth it,
they degrade you and make your life sad.
I want to make a comment, Marco,
because this is very common that people can complain,
no, I am very angry,
it is that it made me waste time,
many things like this person.
What would happen if this person found someone
who had the same codes to share,
that is, I give myself the same as the other person,
but I do not put my expectations on the other person,
because if I put them on, I'm going to fall again.
If I share things that are similar,
the truth is that they are going to build something beautiful,
so I would say to this person, I do not know who,
who is it, that he learns from what he is giving
and finds a person who has the same codes
to give and receive,
the truth is that they are going to be enormously happy,
life teaches you many things,
you talked about happiness and peace,
Eduardo Punset said to describe what happiness was,
which is to be in peace,
and then if you are in peace,
you can still make better decisions,
if you are very angry, you will talk from the guts,
so how could you do that?
Because you were in peace,
and then if you are in peace,
you make better decisions,
but with you,
with you,
not necessarily with the other person,
you even have to be with the other person,
but it starts with you,
exactly,
remember Nelson Mandela when he invites someone who was his sealer
to his protest as president,
and they ask him,
President, how can I invite this person?
He was his sealer, he misled him,
because he was not the sealer who was an accomplice,
yes, three decades,
he was not the sealer who was an accomplice,
he was the one who mistreated him,
and then Nelson Mandela says,
let's see, if I don't forgive,
it doesn't matter that I left that prison,
which was also a horrible prison,
in this island,
if I don't forgive,
I would still be in prison,
however, I am free,
or outside the bars,
so it is not for the other person,
this person who says,
I don't forgive,
no, I forgive, but go,
or for that,
I don't have the mouth,
let's see, I made many agreements,
what happens is that those agreements were not fulfilled,
and I was advancing,
and the learning that God gave me,
that nothing happened,
is so beautiful and so powerful,
that you end up thanking him,
and I don't thank the other for hurting me,
I thank myself for having had those tools,
I thank myself for being with a smile,
I thank myself for continuing to believe,
I thank myself for having God inhabiting me complete,
and if I want God inhabiting me complete,
I can't live angry, frustrated,
without forgiveness,
then I wouldn't be here,
that's just forgiveness,
that gratitude is a tool for forgiveness,
and that also doesn't necessarily have to do with the other,
the other came to show you a facet of yourself
that maybe you didn't know,
you had many tools since you were a child,
as you said a while ago,
and because of those same tools,
maybe it was much lighter for you to let go,
resentment, anger, frustration,
and everything you felt at some point,
when you realize that forgiveness has to do with you,
with getting out of that metaphorical prison,
then that's when you let go of that stage of your life,
and you accept that things happened as they had to happen,
and they can't be changed,
that is, even if you had them,
even if you weren't enough, you should have them,
you even enter into an internal conversation
of the beliefs you have,
that at this moment don't work for you anymore,
if for example you had limiting beliefs like,
hey, daughter,
infidelity is never forgiven,
or the same people who wrote to you all of a sudden,
like, how dare you throw a party?
And that belief, that's what limits me,
from this moment on,
so that I can forgive,
I release myself from limiting beliefs
and I assume the ones that do work for me today.
To forgive is not to stay,
that's where many people get confused, right?
I forgive that I'm going to stay,
no, Claudia didn't stay,
Claudia broke up,
but she had a party, she thanked her,
and she's the father of her children,
she's still having a great time,
but everyone has their own path.
Yes, what you're building in your head
is what's becoming a reality.
In the movie Instinct,
at the end in a voice in off,
it says, we are prisoners behind the bars
that each of us build.
Repeat it, doctor, repeat it.
We are prisoners behind the bars
that each of us build.
So, if your bar is the resentment,
if your bar is the hatred,
then you're going to be there in that circle,
you're not going to be able to move,
besides, emotions generate a resonance,
and right now I make you angry,
maybe you're going to go out
and you're going to break up with someone.
Why? Because you're angry.
You're not looking for who made you,
but who paid you.
And the ball keeps going.
There's another very important element,
and I don't know who told you about psychologists,
I'm not going to talk against psychologists.
No, but let's talk about that,
because in the commercial court
Claudia is saying that she was let go,
what did psychologists criticize you,
or some people?
Psychologists and people on social networks,
a lot of times they tell me why I'm happy,
that you can't be happy.
And I tell them, look,
you can't be happy all day,
but you can be happy every day.
I'm happy every day.
But what was the criticism?
Did it give you courage,
some people, that I celebrated my divorce?
I think it's this part of being,
I challenge you,
that a person exists with a reality like that,
I challenge you,
then I'm not yours.
And that's the anger.
And what are you going to say, doctor?
Well, it's very simple,
that being in peace is being happy.
And I'm going to quote Martin Seligman,
who is considered
the father of positive psychology.
He said, at 50 years old,
I realized that I was very grumpy.
But just because of everything
I can get out of being happy,
I realized that it's better to be happy,
and today I decide to be happy,
to take advantage of all those benefits.
You are happy,
your immune system works better.
You are happy,
generally you have a happy couple.
You are happy,
you have an environment that is nutritious.
So it has a lot of benefits,
the fact that you live in peace
and that you are happy.
And being happy can also move you from relationships,
because many people ask me,
how did you get out?
Because there were also things that worked.
How did I get out?
Because I have my own love.
The love that is also related to happiness
moves you from any bad place.
That's why, as we always say,
you are the love of your life.
Exactly.
You are the love,
Claudio and I talk a lot about that.
You are the love,
you are your relationship,
you are your eternal love.
Claudio will give a lecture on this,
and it's a topic that we both love.
You are the most important relationship in your life.
And it's the reality,
because it's with you,
the topic is with you.
The person you sleep with every day,
every day is with yourself.
What a horror to live with a bitter, bitter love.
I mean, with you.
You live through the years.
How well do you fall?
How much do you love yourself?
You ask yourself questions constantly
and every day,
but since you get up.
I am happy.
Someone asks me,
how do you ask yourself if you are happy?
I had never asked myself that.
Do you know what happens to me?
Suddenly I think about things,
and I say,
oh, wait a minute, I fell.
I am alone.
And then I come to the car like this.
No, man, I fell.
How nice.
The three of us fall very well.
It's great.
Let's take a break
and return to our last segment on the radio.
But how beautiful.
How beautiful, because at the end of the day,
this conversation is about responsibility,
emotional intelligence,
the responsible,
the responsible for my happiness is not me.
Beyond what happens outside,
I can build my happiness.
That consciousness,
the love of my own.
And we will close with that.
We will see if there are more questions from the public.
And we have some celebrations.
But let's take a little break.
Going to the break,
I celebrate that Audrey,
our dear Audrey Vera,
she overcame her cancer.
She is here.
You look beautiful.
You are beautiful.
Thank you.
You have been a warrior for a year,
and here you are alive.
Here we are.
I still need one more chirris,
because I am in radiation right now,
but I have already gone through 16 chemists,
two operations.
I am in the radiations,
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I am so happy to be here in this program
of Fórmula, I confess.
I have talked about it many times in interviews.
20 years ago,
I proposed a program to several TV stations
in Mexico and the United States
to do a program like this on TV and radio.
And they said no, you can't.
And that's where the podcast was born.
And I said, if I don't do my podcast,
that program will never come.
We did the podcast and here we are.
How beautiful.
Radio Fórmula and Tele Fórmula arrived.
I thank Tele Fórmula and Radio Fórmula very much
for opening that space for us
without censorship and with absolute editorial freedom
to be able to talk about what we want.
How beautiful.
So thank you.
And to build, Marco, has been a tool.
You are a bridge so that so many can express themselves
and receive this.
We are beings growing together.
I was telling the prehispanics,
what your right hand does,
let the left know.
Because that's how we grow.
No, don't let them know.
Let them know.
That is, the other way around.
Of course, that's what they really said.
Why?
Because we all grow together.
And we evolve.
And I hear something from the other.
I say, ah, well, look, yes, you can.
Oh, well, hey, I'm going to do a ceremony too.
Hey, I'm going to make real love.
And look, you say, I'm fantastic with my ex-husband.
No, I'm not fantastic.
I'm doing well, decently.
How good.
At the right distance.
Because people don't leave.
But if you take your distance.
At the right distance.
Of course.
There is a distance.
Very close, burns.
Very far, it would be cold.
Between the two there is a distance.
Of course.
Because it's another relationship, it's another business.
No, and besides, if there is a forgiveness,
there is a distance.
But it's the father of your children.
Yes.
And you're not going to take the father of your children
from your children.
No, that would be very silly of me.
Imagine the children like lying down.
You're not going to teach them to hate or anything.
No.
Listen, this is the last segment.
We have, oh, a little gift.
Claudia Lizaldi brought us a gift.
Look, I want to say something.
We've been, since yesterday we've already warned you.
If you go to marcoantoniorregil.com,
diagonal formula, you can subscribe as a partner
or partner of the program.
What does that mean?
Well, that you leave us your data.
We want to know where you live.
What you like, what you don't like.
If we ask about your age, to know what topics
you might be interested in.
And we're going to be having a lot of giveaways.
And we already have several accumulated prizes
that we're going to end up giving.
So if you haven't subscribed,
go to marcoantoniorregil.com, diagonal formula,
become a partner or partner of the program.
You have a number of partner or partner.
And that's how you win.
And today, Claudia Lizaldi brings us
gifts, gifts for our partners.
A car!
A trip!
A workshop!
It's a workshop!
It's a weekend workshop.
1, 2, and 3 of March.
It's at Grow Sen.
It's this weekend for women, for moms,
for growing.
And there are five
courtesy passes to the conferences,
paying only for food in a divine hotel
called Santorin Valle de Bravo.
1, 2, 3 of March.
You can stay in Valle de Bravo,
you can stay in Mexico City,
it's close to you, around you.
Yes, you can stay there or you can stay in the sanctuary.
Because there are also 50% discounts
in that same package,
paying only 50% of the food.
And there are 10 and 20 25% discounts
to stay there.
You can go with your friends
on the weekend to grow
and you can pay for tables without interest.
I'm going to give you the exclusive
because you can already see on social media
who is Renacen, but we haven't said
about Juan Lucas Martín.
Juan Lucas Martín will be there.
He will be there.
He will also be there.
Well, Diana Ramírez, Javier Otero,
Octavio Soto, Brenda Vázquez,
my dear Ana Maria Aristi,
Julia de la Borbolla.
Well, many experts.
Why? Because one must always be a student.
No matter how much you think you know,
we were talking about tools.
You never know if that tool you acquired
that weekend,
at what point in your life it will serve you.
But what I'm sure is that it will serve you.
Because life passes us all.
So, it's a weekend of papachos and tools.
Valle de Bravo, GrowSend,
Renacen are social networks,
Renacen, ZenConceta,
1, 2 and 3 of March.
Perfect.
And Marcontorereje.com,
from Al Fórmula,
go and sign up as partners.
We will send you the information
with the link,
in case you want to buy the package.
But we will have giveaways
for the partners this week.
I'm going to be a partner.
This is great.
Yes, I'm going to be a partner.
This is a partner.
Tomorrow, we are in the week
of love and friendship.
Tomorrow we have a special program
where we will talk about money
and love.
How important is it to talk about money
with the partner?
How important is it that you have
your financial independence,
that your partner doesn't
dominate you financially?
The cast for tomorrow,
the program,
well, it's luxurious.
To start,
I call her
Santa Nilda Charaviglio.
Santa Nilda Charaviglio,
who is one of the great teachers
of relationships in Mexico.
Morris Dieck comes,
who is also another great teacher
of finances,
of Regio Montano.
Morris Dieck
is going to talk about money.
Nilda is obviously
her specialty,
relationships and the partner.
And to make sense of humor,
Jorge Lozano comes to the program.
How fun!
Wow!
I'm so happy!
Hey, like today...
Today I'm not going to talk about sex.
Tonight I have a live
and I'm going to talk about sex.
Oh, no, it's about money.
And sex is not talked about in a relationship.
And how important it is to have
that topic present.
And well, to have sex and money too.
Of course.
To talk about that and to have it.
Well, Thursday and Friday,
last warning,
on Thursday and Friday we will be
broadcasting Marc Antonio Orquillo
in Formula 3 from Guadalajara, Jalisco.
It's going to be very, very, very,
very fun.
I'm asking you.
By the way, which...
Let's play.
Which are the three countries
where there is more inferiority
in Latin America?
I think Mexico.
Mexico is one of them.
Mexico, Brazil and Peru?
Brazil, one, Colombia, two, Mexico, three.
We have winners.
Very good.
But I have another interesting fact.
I think the Colombians too.
The Colombians.
Well, I don't know how these polls are made,
but it's fun.
The states in Mexico,
the states of the republic,
where there is more inferiority.
Yucatan.
And Tarrón.
And Tarrón too.
No, they're not in the top 5.
In Yucatan they are faithful, girl.
I live in Yucatan.
What are you talking about?
I know the things there, but nothing happens.
Being hot.
Being hot doesn't exist in...
Well, being hot.
But, well, guys,
I'm going to be very honest,
but I'm here with my sister
and she allows me to.
I think the bathroom, for God's sake,
stop being unfaithful.
I mean, it doesn't matter.
Not that they were the best in the house.
If they were, I'd share them,
I'd applaud them.
But hey,
learn to be a happy woman
and you'll end up there.
The number one place of infidelity in Mexico,
the city of Mexico,
then the state of Mexico,
then Nuevo León,
then Jalisco, then Querétaro.
But...
Jalisco for sure.
Jalisco.
Jalisco, let's go there.
Jodis and Fridays.
The municipality of Mexico with more polyamory.
On Friday we'll be talking about
traditional relationships and polyamory.
The municipality of the city,
the country where there's more polyamory
that is known and declared.
Which ones?
Guess, I don't know.
We're on Thursday.
We have to guess?
Municipality?
Municipality.
Well, say a state and I'll guide you.
The state of Mexico.
The city of Mexico.
To the north.
Grab a plane, grab a plane to the accident.
To the accident.
Chihuahua.
Well, it's in Jalisco.
Jalisco is polyamory?
It is.
The municipality number one in polyamory in Mexico.
Guadalajara.
No, no.
Zapopancar.
Zapopancar is in Jalisco.
Zapopancar.
Ah!
What the hell?
Yeah, I was your boyfriend.
I was the last boyfriend you had.
Now you understand.
But that wasn't polyamory.
That was from the opus.
It was super conservative.
Oh, really?
Yeah, of course it goes to extremes.
It goes from meditator, yoga and everything.
He's experimenting.
His soul needs experimenting.
When I write my book, well, no.
In infidelity, a personality appears
that you hide.
And then it's the other me.
Exactly.
That you don't allow yourself to be taken out
in public life, but it comes out in private.
So that's not interesting either.
In fact, a mutual friend told me,
he said, you see who sits up front
in any religious space, synagogue, church,
and never, never do business
or relationships with that person,
because they are strongly repenting of something.
And they just go and think they're tied.
Because they help, they deposit,
they give their little help and they tie.
Yes, sadly, and I know they're strong statements,
but sometimes the most conservative
and more religious people.
Yes, of course.
Let's see, I say it as a professional.
Why the restrictions?
The question is that you allow yourself
to have that other me.
Do you repress yourself so much?
Yes, it's like Batman and Bruno 10.
In the public part you have an image,
but in the private part you have another
that allows you to be.
And precisely when you're jumping
from one place to another, it's because
it allows you to be that other identity
that you can't show in the public.
That also part of the restriction,
of those beliefs that we were talking about
a while ago, and it's a very rooted religious belief
where there is a lot of guilt,
a lot of repression,
so you need to get that other personality
to be able to defog.
Otherwise, we already fall into
much more serious mental illnesses,
as it could be, well, maybe a issue
of schizophrenia, or a human episode,
it's like the person doesn't manage
to balance those personalities.
Now, in the healthy part, I accept
that I am this religious person,
or with certain beliefs,
but I also accept myself in the other
where I give myself permission to do
and to express myself with my partner,
or how I want to do in any social sphere.
That's what we do, but we don't have religion
and we believe in God, in love, in respect.
But, let's see, I'm not going to talk anymore
because if I don't, I'm going to
compromise people I know,
and then they're going to talk about
don't talk about me anymore.
But that's a very interesting topic,
how repression of beliefs ends up
taking you to the edge of escaping.
It makes you sick, because you repress
just part of your own identity,
your nature.
Imagine that I want to be a rude person,
but I can't say it because we're in this area.
That's what I was also told, that I was very rude.
Yes, of course, when you allow yourself to be more you,
you're more balanced.
You don't have to be holding on to yourself,
and it's going to generate mental diseases.
They're called psychosomatic diseases.
Psychosomatic diseases.
Yes, of course.
In the next program we'll talk about that,
repression, how to repress yourself,
how to repress your instincts and who you are,
ends up causing psychosomatic diseases.
And one of the consequences can be infidelity.
I'm going to move my fingers.
They have joints.
When I'm very stubborn,
my joints hurt because
a psychosomatic disease
deposits the joints.
What limits you to the disease?
And that's where the root of your problem is.
We have 30 seconds. Doctor, where are you?
I'm in
Attention and Psychological Treatment.
The phone is 55-54-16-43-71.
You can send me a message.
And on social media, like Juan Antonio Barrer,
on Facebook.
And we have on the Imer
this radio program every Thursday,
Ciudadan Radio, 6.60 a.m.
It's called Las Parejas Disparejas en Radio.
Audrey, where are we?
Social media like Audrey,
Psychologist on Instagram, TikTok.
My page is audreyvera.com.
There I write to you with pleasure.
Right now I'm giving online consultations
just for the treatment.
But with a lot of love and with a lot of pleasure I'll receive them.
Claudia and Lizaldi, where are we?
If you want to send me flowers tomorrow,
February 14th,
I'm at my parents' house.
No, let's see, Claudia and Lizaldi,
you should send me flowers, brother,
you're cool. Let's see, Claudia and Lizaldi,
everywhere, and open your eyes on YouTube.
Now I have this podcast that I'm really enjoying.
They take us. I'm Marc Antonio Regil.
Thank you. I'm Marc Antonio Regil
on all social media. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
And tomorrow, February 14th, we'll be celebrating
with three titans.
Money and love, very important topic.
See you tomorrow. Bye.
Thanks for watching.