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I'm so happy to be with you guys here at Formula.

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Today we are going to talk about a topic that I love.

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Because in therapy, experts in religion and spirituality tell us that it is important to forgive.

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The one who rests is the one who forgives.

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And it has been my turn every time I have released something that I have let go, with the help of a professional.

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Because sometimes the offense is so big that it stays in my body, in my mind.

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And when I finally forgive and let go, obviously I rest and my life is better.

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But no matter how much they tell us that, when we face a great offense, a great betrayal, something that leaves us...

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How is it possible that this has happened? How is it possible that you have done this to me and we get into that internal dialogue?

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Well, it's not easy to let go and let go.

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So this program is dedicated to the topic of forgiveness, but the forgiveness of a very special offense, which is betrayal.

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Today's question is, could you forgive someone who betrayed you?

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Someone you gave all your trust to, someone you even said, I'm going to share my life with you, I'm going to have children with you.

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And that person lacks the commitment, the word he gave you, for whatever reason you want.

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Could you forgive? That is today's question.

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And precisely, three people who love this topic are going to join us.

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First, we have the psychologist and doctor in human development, Juan Antonio Barrera, author of the book,

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What Does the Other Have That I Don't Have?

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He also has his program, Radio, more than 30 years of experience.

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We are going to talk about the subject of fidelity and betrayal.

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Also comes the psychologist Audrey Vera, who is a psychologist, a thanatologist and co-journalist, who is dedicated to working with loss.

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Because betrayal is a loss.

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When you lose what you had or what you were hoping for because someone betrayed you, it is a loss, a great pain.

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And we are going to talk about forgiveness, how forgiveness works.

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Can you really forgive?

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And to close with Broche de Oro, my dear friend Claudia Lizaldi comes, who is an actress, a conductor, an entrepreneur,

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who lived a betrayal that was public because it was published in the media.

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And the truth is, my respect is for her because she not only forgave, but also closed her cycle,

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because forgiving does not mean that you stay with someone, but she closed her cycle by throwing a party where she celebrated and thanked what they had lived together.

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It is a true example of forgiveness.

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And the truth, for Claudia, my respect.

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I do not know how to talk about her process and how she managed to get to that place and how she does to behave very well today,

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in fact, with the father of her children, who betrayed her and it was public.

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Today's question is that, would you forgive an infidelity, yes, no or depends?

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I repeat, that is today's question. Would you forgive an infidelity, yes, no or depends?

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Could you forgive a betrayal?

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The mind capable of creating the reality that we allow it to create.

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Don Miguel Ruiz, author of the four agreements, says,

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always that the reality is created by agreement.

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And at the end of the day, the fidelity or the agreement in couple is that.

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It is a reality.

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I don't think it's better or worse.

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But it is a reality, it is an agreement.

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The problem is when the agreement breaks.

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When you and I agreed on something and we promised something.

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And we said no.

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Because there are many people who say,

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hey, I don't want to be in a monogamous couple.

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And then I don't agree with that.

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And I think it's perfect.

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Let's see what our guests tell us today.

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But the problem is when we say, hey, you and I.

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What is mine is yours, yours is mine.

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This mouth does not see another mouth.

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But suddenly the agreement breaks.

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Well, today we have the honor of welcoming Juan Antonio Barrera,

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psychologist, teacher, human development doctor,

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author of, it's great the name of your book, welcome.

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What is the name of that book?

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What's the other one I don't have?

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What's the other one I don't have?

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And you have your radio program at the Mexican Institute of Radio, in the Imer, right?

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In the Imer, in Radio Ciudadana, 660, Thursdays at 10 in the morning.

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It's called Las Parejas Disparejas en Radio.

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Ok, so I ask you from your point of view, you have 30 years of experience.

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From your point of view, why are we unfaithful?

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Why is it pure warmth?

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Let's get to the point.

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Is it mere warmth or why do we break the agreement that we established?

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We have an instinctive part that makes you able to focus on who you like.

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In fact, if we look at it throughout history, the primitive man

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was supposed to have a sexual diversity.

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Technically, nothing happened because there were no laws or rules.

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The Greeks and the Egyptians were exactly the same.

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There were certain agreements about infidelity, but it wasn't a big deal either,

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except that they would fall on you in the same life, and if you were already married,

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it would generate more mass to women than to men.

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But the Greeks were not only monogamous, but they were also bisexual.

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Yes, and there was no such thing in that sense.

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If we criticize them from this point, if we can draw many conclusions,

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we have to understand history in its context, in its moment, and nothing happened.

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It was a sexual diversity, both of the primitive man, the Greeks, and the Romans.

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Today we give it another interpretation.

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Because we have other agreements.

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We have other agreements, but your introduction caught my attention.

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Why? What did I say?

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Because Epictetus said, 100 years before Christ, we don't see things as they are, but as they are.

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That is, if I have a more open mind and I see some issue of infidelity,

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I might say, well, if there was an agreement, it failed, we open the agreement,

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we make new agreements, or what happens?

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And we think we have love and hate, and that they are the opposite.

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Well, no, when you reach a certain forgiveness, it is like indifference.

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If there was an agreement, it failed, it was left out of my side, and there is indifference.

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But that's the problem, isn't it? The problem is breaking the agreement.

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It's that route we reach that is very difficult.

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Why? Because it generates emotional pain.

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A lot.

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Because it generates a very strong impact, and it depends on how you find out in that sense.

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There is an expert worldwide called Esther Perel.

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When she talks about infidelity, she says it's a secret relationship.

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But it's also a relationship where someone makes you feel special.

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And also, you run the risk of reaching an emotion, which is love.

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The problem is not experimenting.

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It's not that they suggest or I suggest.

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That's how it works.

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She talked about monogamous.

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Eduardo Punset said we are monogamous.

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And it lasts four years, because four years is the time children grow up.

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They can be a little independent.

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It's an interesting way to see all this, because there is something called alleles.

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Alleles are part of the DNA.

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There are alleles that are related to dopamine.

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Therefore, there are people who are constantly looking for the pleasure of seeing where I have it from a person, from a meal, from something.

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And there are other people, there are other alleles that are related to vasopressin.

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Which is also related to fidelity.

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So imagine an environment where you bring those alleles.

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But it's also very permissible, the environment where you are.

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It's not that it's sodium and gum.

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It's simply more permissible.

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There are more possibilities for you to cross the line, even if you have had an agreement.

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Gurit Birman, psychology professor at the University of Richmond in Israel, says that infidelity is contagious.

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The old saying is, tell me who you are with and I'll tell you who you are.

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It's polysemic in what sense?

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It has many interpretations.

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Today you can be unfaithful because of the networks.

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Today you can be unfaithful only because you were looking at a person and you say, why did you look at that person?

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And also the word fidelity, what does it mean and for whom?

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Fidelity is for oneself.

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I am faithful to my principles.

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I am going to tell you a surrealist thing.

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At some point in the consultation room, a couple arrived, they were talking about their case.

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And he says, he hit me.

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And I ask the man why.

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He says, I was dreaming that she was being unfaithful to me.

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Then I woke her up and hit her.

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So the mind creates reality.

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Therefore, there are people who, if they are jealous, maybe they have already created the broth of cultivation so that the other is unfaithful.

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And suddenly he says, you are blaming me for something, I am not, but I am going to do it just so you can blame me.

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Now I take advantage.

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Hey, but I want to return to the original question.

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We started being monogamous at some point in history.

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I don't want to divert the subject because it is a very interesting topic.

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And we are monogamous because it is also regulated through the state, through the church.

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But it was private property, it was a private property issue.

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When we stopped being nomads and we said, this is my land.

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I don't want to share it with anyone.

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I want to establish an alliance with another country or with another region.

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So we are going to be monogamous and there we stop it.

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So that my children receive what I produce.

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And you know what the paradox is?

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That among people, it is called dogma when you only relate to people from the same group.

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There was dogma, so parents related to children, mothers to daughters, with children, with cousins, with uncles.

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And in all of this.

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And then two contracts and the offspring was paying for it because in inheritance it was charging you monogamy.

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With diseases that generally came from the heart or the same as blood or the same as deformity.

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Hey, we have a few minutes left.

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That's why I want to, the topic is super interesting and I hope it's not the only time you come to the program.

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But why are we unfaithful?

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In practice, in the reality that we have today, you get tired and say, I'm going to be faithful, you're going to be faithful to me.

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Why is it unfaithful?

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It's for fun, for warmth.

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It's very fast.

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There are three programs that are also activated.

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One is called lust and we all have that possibility that someone likes us.

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Another program is called romantic love and it establishes a relationship where you have the possibility of having objectives together and a partner.

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And another one is called a hit.

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If the three of them worked in a synchronous way, imagine after 30 years of marriage, you wake up and you like your partner.

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Then you have the same projects together and separate and you have a great time being with your partner.

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What happens?

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What can those three programs work independently?

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Then you can have one, two or three programs activated with lust that you like three people and you could be unfaithful because you are with the three people.

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In the part of the hit, you could still have a relationship with one or two people.

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And the same with romantic relationships.

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That is, the three programs that are related to love take you to different places.

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The first one is lust.

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So why are we unfaithful?

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We have a program related to that because you decide to do it despite the agreements.

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Because we have those ailments that are related to vasopressin or dopamine.

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Also because of pure heat.

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Because the issue also works.

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I have had people who are sick from some mental illness and they still have a desire to have sexual relations.

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What does that mean? That comes from the deepest layer, the reptilian complex.

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Then the instinct program is activated to be with someone else.

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Fortunately for some people, that is the last thing that affects them.

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It is difficult to control nature.

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Of course.

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So what happens with those people?

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Suddenly they find themselves naked or knocking on the neighbor's door to see if they have sexual relations.

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If the brain is damaged, that part is not damaged yet.

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Then the desire part is still active.

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And the relationships of being with the other are still active.

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So to handle lust is not easy.

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It sounds like a sin, religion does not put it as a sin.

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But it is an energy that if we want to be faithful, we have to be aware that we will have to fight against this natural energy.

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Yes, and David Brooks, who is a writer from the New York Times, says that they do not teach us in school to have friends or to preserve friendships.

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They do not teach us to have a route in life.

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And the worst thing is that they do not teach us to control our instincts.

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Of course, that is a big problem.

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Because if you do not tie that desire, that passion, then you go crazy.

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So that is something that we should be taught in school.

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We have these instincts and this is how your instincts are handled.

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Because we are not animals.

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And we can name it emotional intelligence.

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Yes, you can be very angry or very hot, let's think of it like that.

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But the thing is that because you are like that, even because someone likes you, it does not mean that you are unfaithful.

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Hey, but emotional intelligence, let's take a break, but emotional intelligence develops like a muscle, like going to the gym.

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It's like God, send me intelligence, even so with emotional intelligence.

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It is an apprenticeship and it can be reinforced and it can be developed.

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Okay, we have, the conversation is very good.

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In the next block we will add to the conversation our dear psychologist, Thanatologist and coach Audrey Vera.

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Why a Thanatologist? Because precisely when someone is unfaithful to us, beyond the fact that they end or do not end the relationship, there is a loss, a huge pain.

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And precisely it is the Thanatologists who work with loss and pain.

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And Audrey comes to talk to us a little bit about forgiveness that is mixed with this issue of emotional intelligence.

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It is super super interesting, let's take a little break.

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Remember that the conversation is open, marcoantoneregil.com, diagonal formula.

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Would you forgive an unfaithfulness? Yes, no or depends.

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We return after a very short break.

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Cheer up!

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Continue the conversation with Marco Antonio Regil in formula.

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We are back at marcoantoneregil.com, diagonal formula.

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I am seeing the confessionary.

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Today's question is, would you forgive an unfaithfulness?

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The majority, but by a little 39% says no.

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In second place we have the dependent 35% and there is a 26% of the people, I'm surprised, 26% of the people says that if I would forgive an unfaithfulness.

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Wow, super interesting.

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Well, continue with us the psychologist, doctor of human development Juan Antonio Barrera.

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And our dear Audrey Vera joins the conversation, who is a psychologist, panatologist and ontological coach who specializes in loss.

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Audrey, is unfaithfulness, betrayal, a loss?

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It is one and several losses.

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We are not only talking about that betrayal because we put all our trust in that person, but everything that is being lost throughout that fall of 20.

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At the moment when you realize that there is a betrayal, that there is an unfaithfulness, where you are placed.

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You are the person who was used to having a type of relationship where there was a commitment, agreements like those who spoke a while ago.

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And at that moment you become another person.

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That is, that past where you were building a healthy relationship or let's say within the agreements that were in the relationship,

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now it becomes a past that has no future, so to speak.

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You could be the girlfriend, you could be the wife and at that moment you become a person who does not have a correct path to go or a path that can give you a guide, a spiritual guide above all.

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Because this self-concept that you have, the self-image that you have, is crumbling.

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The part of self-esteem of feeling perhaps not enough for that person is also damaged.

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That is, there are many losses.

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The plans, the future that we had.

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The plans for the future. Maybe that is what hurts the most.

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Yes.

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Because we make a movie of what is going to happen in the past, in the future, sorry.

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That is how we are going to be old and if we have children, if we are going to see our children grow up or if it is a relationship of boyfriends, it is not all that you believe in in the movie.

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And sometimes that can be much, much more painful than what is present.

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Of course.

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The illusion, the death of the illusion.

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Exactly.

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That is why the Buddhists say that to be excited, to move forward to the future is the origin of suffering.

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Of chaos.

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Of chaos, yes.

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The movie that I believed in, that I directed in my mind, comes down as if it were already happening.

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Exactly.

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It is better to live in the present, to live with what we have in our daily lives.

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But when there is such a great pain, when we experience this betrayal, when we stop trusting ourselves, then we have to stop.

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Stop, analyze how the situation is.

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If this infidelity, because sometimes it could be that it was a matter of two, how our relationship was doing, what happened was the drop that spilled the glass.

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That maybe we were dragging many problems behind.

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Or not.

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Or simply, in these agreements that we had, the other person decided to be unfaithful because he wanted to.

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Or curious, as I was saying with Antonio.

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Or even because of the issue of reaffirming.

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There are personalities that suddenly have this need to be reaffirming constantly with couples and that cannot be like us.

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It is somewhat an immature personality.

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That is, they do not have a establishment to form a relationship where they can have peace, so to speak.

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So they need several couples to feel safe, to feel that they have more power, etc.

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A question, and I do not want to deviate from the subject because the subject is to arrive at forgiveness.

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But sometimes it is said, I do not know if this is true and if it has science, that men, when we are unfaithful, are more by lust.

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And that women, when they are unfaithful, although there will be some out there, some lustful, it is more a matter of emotions, it is a more thought-provoking issue.

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But the question, that would be a topic, we can continue.

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But the question would be, when it comes to forgiving, is it easier to forgive because it was by lust?

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Or is it the same, or is the betrayal the same?

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Is it that I put you on the line because I won the lust?

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Or I put you on the line because I have a relationship with another person, I got emotionally involved?

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Is it easier or is it the same thing?

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Look, if we talk about who is the one who is going to forgive, who is the one who is going to forgive.

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So here we put it in context, it is like, you were the one who was unfaithful to me, let's see why it was, and now I'm going to see if I forgive you, the person who was on the other side.

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It is depending on the tools that are available.

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It is neither more nor less.

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If you have tools to know yourself, to self-evaluate the situation you are going through, forgiveness will not necessarily have to do with what the other person did.

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Obviously there is pain, of course, we are human beings, of course there is pain, and that is where the job begins.

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Because to begin with, the pain that comes from the surprise, right?

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Wow, I realized, wait a minute, I didn't expect it, someone who I think is on my team scored a goal.

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It is like entering a crisis, just as it is.

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So here what our brain, our body, our emotions, the stories with which we have grown at home, are the ones that at that moment enter the game.

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And then you say, how are we going to get this woman or this man out of the crisis, from betrayal?

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And then it appears first, to feel the emotion, whatever it is, all emotions are welcome, but not to get stuck in one,

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as for example it could be anger, resentment, frustration, not having achieved what you had thought with that person.

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And each one of those emotions, a while ago you were talking about emotional intelligence, as Howard Gardner puts it,

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it is like each one of the emotions are welcome, but you cannot stay in one, because if it is not an emotion, it would become something harmful for you, for your health.

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For example, pain could become if you lengthen it into suffering.

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So after these emotions, if the other person has a sincere repentance and begins to do things, so that that changes,

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only like that, because there may be people who say, hey, forgive me, please, look, it was just a custom, and look, it did not mean anything, you are everything to me.

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And at the time, the week, the month, another time they will find out that you went to hell, or you start to hide lies, which is another part.

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It is not only part of the betrayal, but there is also in that relationship that you start to make it much more visible,

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and that surely there were already signs, unconsciously, that you did not notice, but that now with this situation you already notice.

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And when it comes to confessing, I say, this is not the program for advice for unfaithful people, but everyone, sometimes, when I was 17 years old,

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I was unfaithful to a girl I had. When you go to, when they already caught you or you tell the truth, it is better to say it already, everything complete as it goes, right?

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No, no, or partial, because although we are going to suppose that I have good intentions, I am going to regret it, it is better to let go of everything.

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But I am going to return a little more to the question that they asked, why? Because if you ask me right now, what would you do? Would you forgive her?

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Would you not forgive her? Yes, it is a hypothetical thing, which is different from when it is already happening to you, there already are emotional reactions.

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So it depends.

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It depends, but it depends not on personality, it does not depend on the context, but I think more on the moment.

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If you find out now, publicly, that someone is being unfaithful to you, of course you are going to get super angry.

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Of course, because apart from betrayal, which is the case of Claudia Elisadi, who comes later, which I really respect,

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because the way she handled it, from my point of view, was very admirable, it is not only betrayal and personal pain, but public humiliation.

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Of course.

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Because everyone finds out, and in that case they were media and people were asking, and they came out there, as I remember, the recordings.

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So it is like a cocktail of pain.

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And as you say, it depends on the personality itself.

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In the tools that you have, you can say, well, thinking about it, we are not attracted to it, right?

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May the wind of blessing go well, and if you are not attracted, or you remain the same, despite the fact that there will be another betrayal, it is called attraction by frustration.

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Attraction by frustration.

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And that means that the person who deceived you, the person with whom you were unfaithful, you continue to forgive them and they continue to attract you.

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Because that is how the term is called, not because I say it.

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This is how it works.

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I had never heard of it.

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And you can stay there, detained, or you can still say, well, I think you deceived me, even if it has no element, and since I am not willing to go through that, there we cut it.

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And I am not willing to give a centimeter to this.

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So, going back to the answer, the ability to respond depends on what level your emotional intelligence is at, which the two have already mentioned.

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Exactly.

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That is why you have to go to the gym before.

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Because I went to therapy, since they betrayed me and I am in a crisis, go ahead, you have to go, obviously, you have to go to therapy.

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But sometimes people go to therapy only when things are bad.

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You have to go when they are fine, precisely to develop your emotional intelligence.

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The way of prevention, as in any area of medicine and emotional medicine. If I have noticed that in certain areas of my life I do not have the capacity to let go, to detach myself from situations, from people, from pasts, or if I am a person who lives constantly living in the future of what is going to happen and I do not focus on the present, that is where it is.

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Like this alarm to do something before it happens.

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Now, if it happens, nothing happens.

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I always say, in the end, all the experiences we have in our lives serve us to know what we are made of, what capacity we have, even that resilience, to overcome adversity.

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And in that way, with those learnings over the years, we understand what we want in a relationship and what we would not happen again.

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The issue here is not the same. To say, okay, well, that's what it is and I'm going to recover.

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When it happens to you, as it happened to me in a honeymoon, that I was on one side and on the other, they put me in the right place.

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Several people, I just put it once, but hey, it's not the same as having a honeymoon relationship, as with the case of Claudio Elizaldi, who after the break is going to come and be with us, where there was a life, a project, financial issues in between, two children, a whole life project.

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Together, that is why to forgive at that level when there is already a whole dynamic of family established, that is a much more difficult challenge.

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And after the break, Claudio Elizaldi is going to share with us how he did it, because he even celebrated separation with everything and the slug.

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Yes, how bad.

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We return after the break, we are in Marcantonio Regile in Formula. It is interesting, it is interesting.

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Go ahead, continue the conversation with Marcantonio Regile in Formula.

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And we have a tie, look at the confession, to forgive is infidelity, tied at 34%, the no and the depends, and 31% says yes, including Claudio Elizaldi.

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What a woman, what does she know how to forgive?

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It is very important for happiness.

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Of course, Claudio Elizaldi, a TV host, actress, now a podcast host, writer, entrepreneur and professional forgiver.

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Yes, but don't abuse, right?

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Don't abuse.

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I do forgive, but I don't stay.

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Well said, doctor, at first, the first infidelity I knew was two years of marriage, and there was before, what happened was that it was the first one I knew, it was not the public.

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No, no, no, but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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Why did it happen?

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Because we were talking about the illusion, the suffering that comes is in the measure of the illusion that is built, we agree?

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The expectations that are built, Alberto Cortes said, the higher we fly, Mariana, the more the fall hurts.

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I remember when we saw each other on a television program and you told me about Eymond, and you told me, Marco, I'm in love, he's a meditation teacher, a personal development teacher, we are one, we have a wonderful click, he's a lecturer,

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you know what level of personal development he has, and all this is real.

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He has it, you know him.

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I knew him, the first podcast we did, I had to delete it because it was Claudia Eymond talking about the perfect relationship, and we were joking that the perfect husband, and Claudia, how did you find it?

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You said the perfect husband.

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I said it and there was Dr. Acavulli, the psychologist, and how did you find the perfect husband? And the first episode of my podcast was to tell me about this wonderful relationship, so the perfect couple sounded on paper, how not to be excited, Claudia?

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No man, how to break the photo, what they said is very strong, when you, why did it cost me and you talked about attachment, what is it called? Attachment to frustration, or how was it?

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Attachment, no, attraction by frustration.

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Attachment by frustration, I don't know if I had that topic, but I did have a family to protect, and I had a family to take care of, and I knew very well from the mouth of all the women around us, that's why I talked so much,

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they say why are you talking about your private life, why? Because I am a woman who as a communicator wants to share with other women that this is not forgiven, that fidelity is an option,

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it is possible that if the man did not know how to fly and today he has planes, that if the man did not cross the sea and today he has boats, not by nature we cross the oceans, but how about we do it well?

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If not by nature we are faithful, it is practiced, it is achieved, it is an attempt for love, which I think is fantastic, because at the hour of the hour it does not matter the subject of bed, and they do not have the same,

419
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because there are better relationships with some people than with others, there is more chemistry with some people than with others, but I do believe in fidelity, I believe in monogamy,

420
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:35,400
but of course throughout a 9-year relationship where there was all the people who are married and are honest enough, not only publicly, which is my case because I have to be a public person,

421
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:44,400
but internally, he knows everything that needs to be worked on and forgiven in a relationship that lasts, there are no perfect human beings and that is where forgiveness begins, I am not perfect,

422
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:51,400
and since I am very clear about who I am as a human being and I have great teachers who I have spoken with outside the air with Audrey, I have many very good tools,

423
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:58,400
I start with myself and then I accept the mistake as the teacher who is and when accepting the mistake as the teacher who is, I accept that my partner can be wrong,

424
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:08,400
he can fall and who am I not to raise my partner when this mistake is one two three four five and in my case it was many times, not only the public,

425
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:15,400
is that I am going to tell you the gossip, the public I already knew months before because I had already given Aymond permission, permission that who am I for,

426
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:23,400
we had already made an agreement that was in our safe of a new family version in which he could be with whoever he wanted and we had signed it,

427
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:30,400
part of those agreements is that he will take care of me as he did not fulfill that agreement because one tries many things,

428
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:50,400
I would remember that things were no longer well in the relationship, I tried to save my marriage 9 years and I was 9 years on the edge of the divorce,

429
00:33:50,400 --> 00:34:01,400
the reality is that when something does not work, I am going to quote it because I have two extraordinary children, the best thing is to close the folder, in my case with Iam,

430
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:10,400
because I got married pregnant, it was great but there was something in me that stayed and she arrived and as soon as she arrived, my daughter who is now 8 years old,

431
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,400
there was something inside me that said to you, ready, let's go.

432
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:22,400
There you felt that the relationship could already close, as if we already had something that we came to do together and they renegotiated their relationship,

433
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:30,400
that was before I decided to divorce, that was in 2018, for many things that I am not going to tell because maybe one day I will make a book because there are many things,

434
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:36,400
let's say that the relationship had been turned off, let's say that sexually, I told you that, no,

435
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:44,400
Oh no, sexually everything was fine. I always say, I love it, that's another topic of another program,

436
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:54,400
but many women will have it like me and men too, that men have also been unfaithful to them, sex was present, current.

437
00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:00,400
The indicators of sex sometimes decrease in the marriage but that increases.

438
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:07,400
I'm going to tell you, for example, one thing that happened to me that I will never forget, one day we were together making love,

439
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:13,400
and Eymann told me, like something said, like he understood why I look outside if I have everything here,

440
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:20,400
and he told me, because men always, Marco taught me one day, men always tell you what it is, but one becomes gay,

441
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:26,400
and human beings in general, because I am not going to talk about, oh poor women and men, I am not a victim of any circumstance,

442
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,400
I chose that relationship, I chose that husband, I chose to stay and I know I chose well,

443
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:36,400
because I have an extraordinary relationship with my ex-husband, an extraordinary relationship with his ex-wife,

444
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,400
with his son who is my son, with Simon who is 24 years old, with his girlfriend who is Paulina,

445
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,400
and like the other day I interviewed my son for the podcast, we talked about this divorce ceremony,

446
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,400
which has caused a stir many times in the media and he asked me so many times,

447
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,400
and I said, well, now we are going to the point of view of the child that I tell, today of almost 14,

448
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,400
and at 18 he hugged the whole party, because when we closed this cacao ceremony,

449
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,400
I did a divorce ceremony, each one of you invited me, I couldn't go,

450
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,400
we did a cacao ceremony, he didn't invite anyone,

451
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,400
Audrey, I would have loved to have done it, because let's see, I would have loved to have done it,

452
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:11,400
I said, I love it, things hurt, and it hurt me as your, but that, to share in suffering,

453
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:17,400
I don't have time, I don't give myself permission, I don't go there, as the gringos say, it's okay not to be okay,

454
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,400
but I ask for how long, is it okay, is it okay, but for how long,

455
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,400
if I go, it hurts you.

456
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,400
You decided to limit the time of the pain and the pain.

457
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,400
But that's one thing I've been saying since I was five years old.

458
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,400
I have lived and seen and I have had to go through many things,

459
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,400
this is not the first time that I have had to go through,

460
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,400
neither for a transition, nor for moments of pain, nor...

461
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:42,400
I learned to be happy from that girl, and that's why I know that happiness is a lesson,

462
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,400
no matter how horrible it sounds, no matter how much mental health,

463
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,400
no matter how many psychologists who throw themselves at me, in my case.

464
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,400
They have thrown themselves at you psychologists?

465
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,400
Oh yes, how, because happiness is not forever, happiness is not a decision,

466
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,400
and people who suffer suffer because they suffer in life and because life is horrible.

467
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,400
And I unfortunately do not agree with that from personal experience,

468
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,400
but when Miguel Ruiz, author of the four agreements that we know, my dear teacher,

469
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,400
who is another dad, asks René Franco,

470
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,400
why did Miguel make a book with Claudia Lizaldi?

471
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,400
Not like that, no way, I was also twenty-something years old when we made my first book.

472
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,400
And Miguel says, because she knows how to be happy, and that's not something else.

473
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,400
It's not anything else, it's a muscle that is practiced.

474
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,400
So of course, Eimon fell in love, because he fell in love with a happy person,

475
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,400
when I said to him, I'm going to divorce, and that's it, that's it.

476
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,400
And Eimon says, but you are happy, and I say, no, it's a point and a part, dad.

477
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,400
I'm happy, I'm going to be happy forever, but I don't want to be in this relationship anymore.

478
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,400
Hey, summarizing, because time is running out, we could spend two hours here.

479
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,400
But then you enter the relationship, at some point you see that things are not, they are not good.

480
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,400
Because look, Eimon had, and I say it publicly, because he also did it publicly,

481
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,400
he had, now he's been a couple of years without drinking, and that is said to people who suffer from addictions,

482
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,400
and the people we are in relationships with addictions.

483
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,400
The real problem of my ex-husband was addictions.

484
00:37:54,400 --> 00:38:00,400
I mean, I was with a person who had brutal addictions, and that his reactions,

485
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,400
I mean, alcohol was, was, was another person.

486
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,400
It's a disease.

487
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,400
If I tell what I saw in my relationship, is that they don't believe me, I don't tell, I tell this piece,

488
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,400
because why should I tell the rest?

489
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,400
Of course, we have a few minutes left, so let's summarize, renegotiate the relationship,

490
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,400
and you tell him, you can have other.

491
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,400
2018.

492
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,400
You can have other couples.

493
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,400
Yes, yes, yes.

494
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,400
But you.

495
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,400
No, but I also told him, also, no, but I'm going to have a lover too, I was 39 years old,

496
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,400
and I said, I'm going to stop, oh, it's that as I said to him, the word with a C.

497
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,400
But the agreement was, take care of me, that it is not made public.

498
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,400
Yes, I am a public person, of course, we take care of each other, and two months later, public.

499
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,400
It was an audio, right? That appeared everywhere.

500
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,400
Yes, because this, Eimon loses the ring, who wants to look for the audio, let's see, what did I do with the audio?

501
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,400
That people will say, I heard the audio, of course, I put the audio in front of my ex-husband,

502
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,400
there is the audio, and then I want to hear what you heard, but I want to see your face.

503
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,400
Wow.

504
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,400
I put the audio in front of him.

505
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,400
And how do you get there to have a divorce party where he is included and where you thank

506
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,400
and celebrate the closure of that cycle?

507
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,400
How did you forgive?

508
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:07,400
Because, let's see, I forgave Eimon a lot before, many times, it was already a practice in our relationship,

509
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,400
sorry, the doctors, learn what I'm talking about, and the people who were honest with them too.

510
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,400
Relationships last, because there are two people who are willing to grow together,

511
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,400
and to grow together there is a lot that happens in that relationship.

512
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,400
And there is profit too.

513
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,400
And I do, and there is profit, a lot of profit in the personal relationship.

514
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,400
If you put yourself next to the victim, you stop seeing how those profits were shared,

515
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,400
although the relationship was not optimal, as you might want, but...

516
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,400
I would love to tell you that I would love a perfect relationship, but I would lie.

517
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,400
I like real relationships where we are two human beings growing together.

518
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,400
And there is a lot of fire in the middle and many things happen.

519
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:48,400
I am not perfect, obviously I am another human being within the relationship.

520
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,400
You know it, Marco, I love to love.

521
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,400
And my ex-husband has fantastic things, he is also a fantastic human being.

522
00:39:54,400 --> 00:40:00,400
And that is the issue, that one says, oh, but it's good, oh, but no, oh, but we have this, oh, but no, I want this.

523
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,400
And that is where you start to negotiate with yourself, when yes, when no.

524
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,400
And then, first of all, of course, the forgiveness happens.

525
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,400
How do I forgive? With a lot of common sense.

526
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,400
One, and two, a lot of sense of humor.

527
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,400
Sense of humor, you can have sense of humor.

528
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,400
I deeply recommend sense of humor in the middle of pain.

529
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:24,400
Because nothing is forever, it didn't happen only to you, it's not because of me.

530
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:29,400
Because you are a person, mommy, Elizabeth Harley also put you in the corner, and Angelina Jolie too.

531
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,400
It doesn't matter how beautiful, it doesn't matter how good, it doesn't matter how much sex there is at home, it doesn't matter.

532
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,400
What matters is who is the other.

533
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,400
And that is where we apply Miguel Ruiz's.

534
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:42,400
Don't take it personally, it's not personal, it's the other being himself with the experiences he needs in this life to grow.

535
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,400
And I think my ex-husband has grown.

536
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,400
I think it's a better version of Eloy.

537
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,400
And I think we came to that agreement to grow together.

538
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,400
And today we are the best parents we can give to our children.

539
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,400
But I see the result in those children and I say, we are not so bad, they are extraordinary beings like Miéla.

540
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,400
And that is great.

541
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,400
And surely Miéla will have her problems in life, hopefully, because they come to learn.

542
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,400
They are human beings who come to grow.

543
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:11,400
That is emotional intelligence that is developing, as Claudia said, not on the day of the party, not the moment that happens to you.

544
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:17,400
If it's not a process of... If we get out of the defense and you can take the joke as a person.

545
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,400
If I laugh at Claudia, I'm laughing at her misfortune.

546
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:26,400
But if you take it personally for yourself, then it lightens the burden.

547
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,400
And if the others laugh at you, you also take it with humor.

548
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,400
I am a public person and I have read comments from myself.

549
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,400
As for what?

550
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:42,400
I say to my children, because I have also made my children, at their young age, know in their gradual moment,

551
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,400
but they already know what is published about their parents, about their mothers.

552
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,400
Why? Because we are people.

553
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,400
At the time, when I was with a public person, I did not use social networks.

554
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:56,400
I got into their role and it is very cool, very healthy for mental health.

555
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,400
And I am still public and I am still the honest person I am.

556
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,400
Because talking about one like that is not so bad.

557
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,400
But telling your children, saying, look, that's what was published.

558
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,400
That's the truth.

559
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,400
That's emotional intelligence too, right?

560
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,400
And for them, receiving and loving their father is emotional intelligence.

561
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,400
And understanding their mother is emotional intelligence.

562
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,400
You have not spoken badly of...

563
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,400
They have had a relationship with her.

564
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,400
Of course, the superiors have always been.

565
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,400
And you still have them.

566
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,400
And I still have them.

567
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,400
And when they go to my house, they stay there, we have breakfast together, I invite them to breakfast.

568
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,400
And I say, one day I'm going to die, Marco. And when I die, I want to die in peace.

569
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:34,400
Without remorse.

570
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:56,400
I just remembered, they had just

571
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,400
left.

572
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,400
And he said, thank you for not crucifying me, for not judging me.

573
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,400
Claudia is not doing it, thank you for not doing it.

574
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,400
And I follow what Claudia says.

575
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,400
In separation, it is not only the goods that you have to distribute, but even the friends.

576
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,400
Your own identity is broken down and then, ok, what do I do with my identity?

577
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,400
You are solving it very well.

578
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,400
The first moment of breaking the photo is the one that hurts a lot.

579
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,400
But when you scratch it, I had the perfect photo, Doc.

580
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,400
I had the photo, the garden, the dogs, the cars, the children, the big boy, the little girl, all beautiful.

581
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,400
They are all in the jungle.

582
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,400
Well, the one you never took out of the jungle, that one was already, we already had separate rooms.

583
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,400
There we were already in the agreement of you, your world, me, mine, let's try to save the family.

584
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,400
But they had, that is also an important part, to accept what did exist.

585
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:57,400
Because many times, in infidelity or when a relationship breaks down, you try to deny what was in the past and what they built.

586
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,400
That is what existed. They made the perfect couple as they were in the podcast.

587
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,400
And there you were, only that the way of seeing each other was transformed.

588
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,400
And something that is also super important is that an infidel person does not necessarily,

589
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:16,400
or let's put it, a person who had an infidelity so as not to put it as the infidel,

590
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,400
does not necessarily have to be a bad person.

591
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,400
It's like we are human beings, as you said.

592
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:27,400
Naturally, when we invite them to close these emotional cycles, we make them build a letter,

593
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,400
which is to give them a letter, all the good, which is what Audrey is saying,

594
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,400
all the bad, which maybe was what, the agreements they had, but which later broke down,

595
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,400
and then you say goodbye.

596
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:44,400
If you are a believer in something, let's say you support those beliefs, but if not, you simply say goodbye.

597
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,400
And when you do it that way, you finally recognize the good,

598
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,400
you see that there were some bad things because there are no perfect relationships,

599
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,400
and you say goodbye and you continue your journey.

600
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,400
And not to divide friends, not to enter a plebiscite of today you are with Claudia or you are with Eimon,

601
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,400
because one as a friend is left in the middle, right?

602
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,400
But they start to fight as if they were already in America and Guadalajara.

603
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,400
Because you hate the other, because you are angry, because you get stuck in the pain,

604
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,400
which later becomes suffering, and you want the other to die and that it does not exist,

605
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,400
and you are the worst person in the world, and you do not see yourself in the mirror,

606
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,400
and you lose the great opportunity to see yourself in the mirror and continue to grow.

607
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,400
The woman I am today has to do with all these mischiefs.

608
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,400
I would not have been assaulted by any ex-boyfriend, any mischief, any pain,

609
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,400
because I love this Claudia.

610
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:33,400
And what the doc says, there was the letter, there was the burn, and then there was the letter burn,

611
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,400
because the burn was public, well, it was there, and there it is, because everything lives on YouTube.

612
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,400
But Doc, there was the cacao ceremony. We were 40 people with parents,

613
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,400
parents of our children, my parents, sister of Eimon, Shimon, who I love,

614
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,400
who continues to call me Cupa and I am not her sister-in-law.

615
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,400
Because love is real, because love is real, I keep carrying my jastro because it is my son, it is another son.

616
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,400
That cannot be broken.

617
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,400
Sorry to interrupt, let's close the program, but I want to close with that,

618
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,400
there was gratitude in that ceremony, they thanked what they lived, not the betrayal,

619
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,400
not the problems, but the lessons they lived.

620
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,400
They closed that relationship with gratitude.

621
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,400
My father spoke, my parents, there was a microphone, we were 40 people in a circle,

622
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,400
and I, well, I'm crazy, I've always said that I am, and I love my madness,

623
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,400
because it's beautiful and it's loving, and I don't hurt anyone.

624
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,400
And in all kinds of ways, I am the villain in people's lives, because that's how we are all.

625
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,400
But, yes, we passed a microphone and everyone spoke of the relationship we had,

626
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,400
because Eimon and I were crying in that house where everyone came.

627
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,400
Yes, crying.

628
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:32,400
There were parties, there were, you know, Marco, then, well, they all thanked us,

629
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,400
because we all cried, and in the end my son said, and at the age of 8,

630
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,400
he took the microphone and said, I want to talk too, he was the last one who spoke,

631
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,400
and he said, that really moved me, thank you for being here,

632
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:48,400
thank you for supporting my family at this moment, who wants a hug?

633
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,400
And he gave each person a hug at the age of 8, and one of the 14 tells him,

634
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,400
super happy with the human being he is, because he is already without attachment,

635
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,400
he is already a empathetic person, it is an extraordinary ceremony, that's why.

636
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:04,400
How beautiful, Alexis.

637
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,400
What a great learning experience your son has.

638
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,400
We say goodbye, what are you doing?

639
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,400
We say goodbye with a round of applause for your son, for Ian,

640
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,400
for that level of emotional maturity and love,

641
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,400
and to understand the message that your daddy is sending you.

642
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,400
A round of applause for Ian.

643
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,400
And friends, we close for Telefórmula, after a little break,

644
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,400
we will continue on the radio with questions, answers,

645
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,400
and we will get more juice out of this topic,

646
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,400
but in Telefórmula you can stay with Maxine Goodside,

647
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,400
thank you for being with us here.

648
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,400
Thursday and Friday we will be in Guadalajara, Jalisco,

649
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,400
we will be broadcasting from Guadalajara,

650
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,400
we have a program tomorrow, Mexico City,

651
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,400
Thursday and Friday in Guadalajara, we will close this first week

652
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,400
with a bunch of gold.

653
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,400
Thank you, thank you for being here with us.

654
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,400
What a beautiful lesson, what a beautiful lesson.

655
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,400
I love you very much.

656
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,400
May love live.

657
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,400
And you know what? And Marco, you know, keep trusting.

658
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,400
We keep trusting.

659
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,400
We will stop, we will return on the radio.

660
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,400
Get ready.

661
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,400
Continue the conversation with Marco Antonio Regil in Fórmula.

662
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,400
We continue for Radio Fórmula, we are with the psychologist,

663
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,400
the doctor of human development Juan Antonio Barrera,

664
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,400
Audrey Vega, is that Vera, sorry, psychologist,

665
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,400
thanatologist, and pathologist,

666
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,400
and also with Claudia Lissalli, the master of forgiveness.

667
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,400
The master of forgiveness.

668
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,400
You call me a friend, the goddess of love,

669
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,400
because you have to love a lot.

670
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,400
Well, you are very loving, but you are not dramatic,

671
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,400
because I receive all the information on WhatsApp,

672
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,400
from Claudia, and I say, friend, I already knew someone,

673
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,400
friend, we are done, friend, I am having a hard time, friend,

674
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,400
I don't know what.

675
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,400
I mean, it doesn't tell you the middle of the drama.

676
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,400
The book, the book by Claudia Lissalli,

677
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,400
I could write it on the WhatsApps I have.

678
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,400
I don't scold you, how can I scold you?

679
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,400
I have never scolded you.

680
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,400
You have to do it.

681
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,400
I don't scold you.

682
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,400
I am lovingly correcting myself.

683
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,400
No, lovingly, when she says, Marco, this is happening,

684
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,400
I say, what did she tell you?

685
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,400
And she says, this and this and this.

686
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,400
What does she mean?

687
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,400
I say, nothing, it's a man.

688
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,400
If she said one, two, three, it means one, two, three.

689
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,400
Because she wants to find the meaning.

690
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,400
She says, no, she said one, two, three, it means one, two, three,

691
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,400
we are very simple, we are not, doctor.

692
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,400
The dimorphism.

693
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,400
That's how it's called, dimorphism?

694
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,400
Dimorphism.

695
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,400
Dimorphism, form, dimorphism.

696
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,400
Dismorphism, sexual.

697
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:25,400
What is that?

698
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,400
It sounds funny, doctor.

699
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:32,400
The capacity, the difference between how men and women think.

700
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,400
How we solve certain things,

701
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,400
how the way we solve problems are structured.

702
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,400
The form, of course, dimorphism is form, it's a difference.

703
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,400
Now, that doesn't necessarily enter a cultural theme,

704
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,400
it's like if you are a child, you are dressed in pink,

705
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,400
and then you are blue, and then men are stronger in certain things.

706
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,400
No, there is also a cultural theme.

707
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,400
We can be born genetically different, with different structures,

708
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,400
but there are skills that we are developing over time

709
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,400
according to what we are doing.

710
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,400
And since we got into the subject,

711
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,400
do women have more capacity for forgiveness than men?

712
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,400
I think it rather depends on the tools of each human being.

713
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,400
Of each human being, it's not man or woman.

714
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,400
Because I wanted to say, I was told a lot,

715
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,400
why do you meditate?

716
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,400
Since I was a child, I started meditating.

717
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,400
I have always been very close to God.

718
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,400
Marco and I shared that since I was a child,

719
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,400
I wanted to be a nun, I wanted to be a father.

720
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,400
Today we have been very bad nuns and very bad fathers.

721
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,400
We have been very bad.

722
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,400
A little bit of a mess.

723
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,400
Yes, yes, yes.

724
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:36,400
But well, the point is that I do believe that tools are useful,

725
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,400
and you have to have them in that box,

726
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,400
because there is a day when you are going to use them.

727
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,400
I remember when I read the book of the Tibetan book of life and death,

728
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,400
shortly after the first person died,

729
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,400
a very important person in my life, my maternal grandfather,

730
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,400
and he gave me all that information, powa and others.

731
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,400
Even powa, which is a practice of delivering your pain,

732
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,400
to relieve a little of the pain of the world,

733
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,400
it helped me when I was giving birth to my son.

734
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,400
Because I have my son and my daughter at home without a nanny.

735
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:00,400
Sharing.

736
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,400
And that practice helped me a lot.

737
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,400
So there are things that one, as they said,

738
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,400
it's not because you need them,

739
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,400
because you are going through a bad moment,

740
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,400
and then you run to the psychologist,

741
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,400
you run to pray and she complains.

742
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,400
I'm begging you!

743
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,400
No, well, prevention, or before you visualize,

744
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,400
before you build and so on.

745
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,400
But those tools have always jumped at me,

746
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,400
in these moments that are, in addition to all,

747
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,400
I am not the only one who has died,

748
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:25,400
nor have people put the crown on her.

749
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,400
Understanding that gives a lot of peace.

750
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,400
I am not the only one, I am not that victim,

751
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,400
do not victimize yourself.

752
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,400
Hey, in threads, it's at Marco Antonio Regiles,

753
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,400
comments are coming, nubet77 says,

754
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,400
I already forgave her, I went out losing, so no,

755
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,400
infidelity is not forgiven,

756
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,400
and for a little face, an emoji,

757
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,400
smoking through the mouth.

758
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:45,400
Veronica Muñoz says,

759
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,400
that's why you have a mouth,

760
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,400
when you no longer want to be with your partner,

761
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,400
the more it is worth talking and ending a cycle,

762
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,400
the more painful it is to end,

763
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,400
it is less painful than infidelity.

764
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,400
You feel that it is not worth it,

765
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,400
they degrade you and make your life sad.

766
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,400
I want to make a comment, Marco,

767
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,400
because this is very common that people can complain,

768
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,400
no, I am very angry,

769
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,400
it is that it made me waste time,

770
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,400
many things like this person.

771
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,400
What would happen if this person found someone

772
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,400
who had the same codes to share,

773
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,400
that is, I give myself the same as the other person,

774
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,400
but I do not put my expectations on the other person,

775
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,400
because if I put them on, I'm going to fall again.

776
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,400
If I share things that are similar,

777
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,400
the truth is that they are going to build something beautiful,

778
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,400
so I would say to this person, I do not know who,

779
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:33,400
who is it, that he learns from what he is giving

780
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,400
and finds a person who has the same codes

781
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,400
to give and receive,

782
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,400
the truth is that they are going to be enormously happy,

783
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,400
life teaches you many things,

784
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,400
you talked about happiness and peace,

785
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,400
Eduardo Punset said to describe what happiness was,

786
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:49,400
which is to be in peace,

787
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,400
and then if you are in peace,

788
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,400
you can still make better decisions,

789
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,400
if you are very angry, you will talk from the guts,

790
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,400
so how could you do that?

791
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,400
Because you were in peace,

792
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,400
and then if you are in peace,

793
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,400
you make better decisions,

794
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,400
but with you,

795
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:08,400
with you,

796
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,400
not necessarily with the other person,

797
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,400
you even have to be with the other person,

798
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,400
but it starts with you,

799
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,400
exactly,

800
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,400
remember Nelson Mandela when he invites someone who was his sealer

801
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,400
to his protest as president,

802
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:19,400
and they ask him,

803
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,400
President, how can I invite this person?

804
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:22,400
He was his sealer, he misled him,

805
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,400
because he was not the sealer who was an accomplice,

806
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,400
yes, three decades,

807
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:26,400
he was not the sealer who was an accomplice,

808
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,400
he was the one who mistreated him,

809
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,400
and then Nelson Mandela says,

810
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,400
let's see, if I don't forgive,

811
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,400
it doesn't matter that I left that prison,

812
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,400
which was also a horrible prison,

813
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,400
in this island,

814
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,400
if I don't forgive,

815
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,400
I would still be in prison,

816
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,400
however, I am free,

817
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:42,400
or outside the bars,

818
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,400
so it is not for the other person,

819
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,400
this person who says,

820
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:46,400
I don't forgive,

821
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,400
no, I forgive, but go,

822
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:48,400
or for that,

823
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,400
I don't have the mouth,

824
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:50,400
let's see, I made many agreements,

825
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,400
what happens is that those agreements were not fulfilled,

826
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,400
and I was advancing,

827
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,400
and the learning that God gave me,

828
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,400
that nothing happened,

829
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,400
is so beautiful and so powerful,

830
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,400
that you end up thanking him,

831
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,400
and I don't thank the other for hurting me,

832
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,400
I thank myself for having had those tools,

833
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,400
I thank myself for being with a smile,

834
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,400
I thank myself for continuing to believe,

835
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,400
I thank myself for having God inhabiting me complete,

836
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,400
and if I want God inhabiting me complete,

837
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,400
I can't live angry, frustrated,

838
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:20,400
without forgiveness,

839
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,400
then I wouldn't be here,

840
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,400
that's just forgiveness,

841
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,400
that gratitude is a tool for forgiveness,

842
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,400
and that also doesn't necessarily have to do with the other,

843
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,400
the other came to show you a facet of yourself

844
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,400
that maybe you didn't know,

845
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,400
you had many tools since you were a child,

846
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,400
as you said a while ago,

847
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,400
and because of those same tools,

848
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,400
maybe it was much lighter for you to let go,

849
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,400
resentment, anger, frustration,

850
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,400
and everything you felt at some point,

851
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,400
when you realize that forgiveness has to do with you,

852
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,400
with getting out of that metaphorical prison,

853
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,400
then that's when you let go of that stage of your life,

854
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,400
and you accept that things happened as they had to happen,

855
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,400
and they can't be changed,

856
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,400
that is, even if you had them,

857
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,400
even if you weren't enough, you should have them,

858
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,400
you even enter into an internal conversation

859
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,400
of the beliefs you have,

860
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,400
that at this moment don't work for you anymore,

861
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,400
if for example you had limiting beliefs like,

862
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,400
hey, daughter,

863
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,400
infidelity is never forgiven,

864
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,400
or the same people who wrote to you all of a sudden,

865
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,400
like, how dare you throw a party?

866
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,400
And that belief, that's what limits me,

867
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:26,400
from this moment on,

868
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,400
so that I can forgive,

869
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,400
I release myself from limiting beliefs

870
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,400
and I assume the ones that do work for me today.

871
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,400
To forgive is not to stay,

872
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,400
that's where many people get confused, right?

873
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,400
I forgive that I'm going to stay,

874
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,400
no, Claudia didn't stay,

875
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,400
Claudia broke up,

876
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,400
but she had a party, she thanked her,

877
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,400
and she's the father of her children,

878
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,400
she's still having a great time,

879
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:46,400
but everyone has their own path.

880
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,400
Yes, what you're building in your head

881
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,400
is what's becoming a reality.

882
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,400
In the movie Instinct,

883
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,400
at the end in a voice in off,

884
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,400
it says, we are prisoners behind the bars

885
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,400
that each of us build.

886
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,400
Repeat it, doctor, repeat it.

887
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,400
We are prisoners behind the bars

888
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,400
that each of us build.

889
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,400
So, if your bar is the resentment,

890
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,400
if your bar is the hatred,

891
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,400
then you're going to be there in that circle,

892
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,400
you're not going to be able to move,

893
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,400
besides, emotions generate a resonance,

894
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,400
and right now I make you angry,

895
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,400
maybe you're going to go out

896
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:17,400
and you're going to break up with someone.

897
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,400
Why? Because you're angry.

898
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,400
You're not looking for who made you,

899
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,400
but who paid you.

900
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,400
And the ball keeps going.

901
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,400
There's another very important element,

902
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,400
and I don't know who told you about psychologists,

903
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,400
I'm not going to talk against psychologists.

904
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,400
No, but let's talk about that,

905
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,400
because in the commercial court

906
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:35,400
Claudia is saying that she was let go,

907
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,400
what did psychologists criticize you,

908
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:38,400
or some people?

909
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,400
Psychologists and people on social networks,

910
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,400
a lot of times they tell me why I'm happy,

911
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,400
that you can't be happy.

912
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,400
And I tell them, look,

913
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:46,400
you can't be happy all day,

914
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:47,400
but you can be happy every day.

915
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,400
I'm happy every day.

916
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:49,400
But what was the criticism?

917
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:50,400
Did it give you courage,

918
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,400
some people, that I celebrated my divorce?

919
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,400
I think it's this part of being,

920
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:54,400
I challenge you,

921
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,400
that a person exists with a reality like that,

922
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:57,400
I challenge you,

923
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,400
then I'm not yours.

924
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,400
And that's the anger.

925
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:00,400
And what are you going to say, doctor?

926
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,400
Well, it's very simple,

927
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,400
that being in peace is being happy.

928
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,400
And I'm going to quote Martin Seligman,

929
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,400
who is considered

930
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,400
the father of positive psychology.

931
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,400
He said, at 50 years old,

932
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,400
I realized that I was very grumpy.

933
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,400
But just because of everything

934
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,400
I can get out of being happy,

935
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,400
I realized that it's better to be happy,

936
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,400
and today I decide to be happy,

937
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,400
to take advantage of all those benefits.

938
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,400
You are happy,

939
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,400
your immune system works better.

940
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,400
You are happy,

941
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,400
generally you have a happy couple.

942
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,400
You are happy,

943
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,400
you have an environment that is nutritious.

944
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,400
So it has a lot of benefits,

945
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,400
the fact that you live in peace

946
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:42,400
and that you are happy.

947
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,400
And being happy can also move you from relationships,

948
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,400
because many people ask me,

949
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,400
how did you get out?

950
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,400
Because there were also things that worked.

951
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:50,400
How did I get out?

952
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:51,400
Because I have my own love.

953
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,400
The love that is also related to happiness

954
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,400
moves you from any bad place.

955
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,400
That's why, as we always say,

956
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:58,400
you are the love of your life.

957
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,400
Exactly.

958
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:00,400
You are the love,

959
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,400
Claudio and I talk a lot about that.

960
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,400
You are the love,

961
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:03,400
you are your relationship,

962
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:04,400
you are your eternal love.

963
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,400
Claudio will give a lecture on this,

964
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,400
and it's a topic that we both love.

965
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,400
You are the most important relationship in your life.

966
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:11,400
And it's the reality,

967
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,400
because it's with you,

968
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:13,400
the topic is with you.

969
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,400
The person you sleep with every day,

970
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,400
every day is with yourself.

971
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,400
What a horror to live with a bitter, bitter love.

972
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:20,400
I mean, with you.

973
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:21,400
You live through the years.

974
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,400
How well do you fall?

975
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:24,400
How much do you love yourself?

976
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,400
You ask yourself questions constantly

977
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,400
and every day,

978
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:28,400
but since you get up.

979
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,400
I am happy.

980
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:30,400
Someone asks me,

981
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,400
how do you ask yourself if you are happy?

982
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:32,400
I had never asked myself that.

983
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:33,400
Do you know what happens to me?

984
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:34,400
Suddenly I think about things,

985
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:35,400
and I say,

986
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:36,400
oh, wait a minute, I fell.

987
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,400
I am alone.

988
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:38,400
I am alone.

989
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:39,400
And then I come to the car like this.

990
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:40,400
No, man, I fell.

991
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,400
How nice.

992
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,400
The three of us fall very well.

993
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,400
It's great.

994
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,400
It's great.

995
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:45,400
Let's take a break

996
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,400
and return to our last segment on the radio.

997
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,400
But how beautiful.

998
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,400
How beautiful, because at the end of the day,

999
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,400
this conversation is about responsibility,

1000
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,400
emotional intelligence,

1001
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,400
the responsible,

1002
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,400
the responsible for my happiness is not me.

1003
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,400
Beyond what happens outside,

1004
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,400
I can build my happiness.

1005
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,400
That consciousness,

1006
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:08,400
the love of my own.

1007
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:09,400
And we will close with that.

1008
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,400
We will see if there are more questions from the public.

1009
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:13,400
And we have some celebrations.

1010
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,400
But let's take a little break.

1011
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,400
Going to the break,

1012
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,400
I celebrate that Audrey,

1013
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,400
our dear Audrey Vera,

1014
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:20,400
she overcame her cancer.

1015
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:21,400
She is here.

1016
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:22,400
You look beautiful.

1017
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:23,400
You are beautiful.

1018
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,400
Thank you.

1019
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:25,400
You have been a warrior for a year,

1020
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,400
and here you are alive.

1021
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,400
Here we are.

1022
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,400
I still need one more chirris,

1023
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,400
because I am in radiation right now,

1024
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,400
but I have already gone through 16 chemists,

1025
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:34,400
two operations.

1026
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,400
I am in the radiations,

1027
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,400
and as Clau says,

1028
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,400
I am happy and I am very good.

1029
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,400
I am happy.

1030
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,400
Break.

1031
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:42,400
Break and we'll be back.

1032
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,400
No, warrior.

1033
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,400
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1034
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1050
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1051
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,400
I am so happy to be here in this program

1052
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,400
of Fórmula, I confess.

1053
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,400
I have talked about it many times in interviews.

1054
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,400
20 years ago,

1055
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,400
I proposed a program to several TV stations

1056
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,400
in Mexico and the United States

1057
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,400
to do a program like this on TV and radio.

1058
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,400
And they said no, you can't.

1059
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,400
And that's where the podcast was born.

1060
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,400
And I said, if I don't do my podcast,

1061
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:40,400
that program will never come.

1062
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,400
We did the podcast and here we are.

1063
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:43,400
How beautiful.

1064
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,400
Radio Fórmula and Tele Fórmula arrived.

1065
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,400
I thank Tele Fórmula and Radio Fórmula very much

1066
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,400
for opening that space for us

1067
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,400
without censorship and with absolute editorial freedom

1068
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:52,400
to be able to talk about what we want.

1069
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,400
How beautiful.

1070
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:54,400
So thank you.

1071
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,400
And to build, Marco, has been a tool.

1072
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,400
You are a bridge so that so many can express themselves

1073
01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:59,400
and receive this.

1074
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,400
We are beings growing together.

1075
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:02,400
I was telling the prehispanics,

1076
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,400
what your right hand does,

1077
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:05,400
let the left know.

1078
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,400
Because that's how we grow.

1079
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:07,400
No, don't let them know.

1080
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:08,400
Let them know.

1081
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,400
That is, the other way around.

1082
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:10,400
Of course, that's what they really said.

1083
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:11,400
Why?

1084
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,400
Because we all grow together.

1085
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:13,400
And we evolve.

1086
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,400
And I hear something from the other.

1087
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,400
I say, ah, well, look, yes, you can.

1088
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,400
Oh, well, hey, I'm going to do a ceremony too.

1089
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,400
Hey, I'm going to make real love.

1090
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,400
And look, you say, I'm fantastic with my ex-husband.

1091
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:23,400
No, I'm not fantastic.

1092
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,400
I'm doing well, decently.

1093
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,400
How good.

1094
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:27,400
At the right distance.

1095
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:28,400
Because people don't leave.

1096
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:29,400
But if you take your distance.

1097
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:30,400
At the right distance.

1098
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:31,400
Of course.

1099
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:32,400
There is a distance.

1100
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:33,400
Very close, burns.

1101
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:34,400
Very far, it would be cold.

1102
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,400
Between the two there is a distance.

1103
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,400
Of course.

1104
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,400
Because it's another relationship, it's another business.

1105
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,400
No, and besides, if there is a forgiveness,

1106
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,400
there is a distance.

1107
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:42,400
But it's the father of your children.

1108
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:43,400
Yes.

1109
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:44,400
And you're not going to take the father of your children

1110
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:45,400
from your children.

1111
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:46,400
No, that would be very silly of me.

1112
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:47,400
Imagine the children like lying down.

1113
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,400
You're not going to teach them to hate or anything.

1114
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:50,400
No.

1115
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,400
Listen, this is the last segment.

1116
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,400
We have, oh, a little gift.

1117
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:55,400
Claudia Lizaldi brought us a gift.

1118
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:56,400
Look, I want to say something.

1119
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,400
We've been, since yesterday we've already warned you.

1120
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,400
If you go to marcoantoniorregil.com,

1121
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,400
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1122
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1123
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What does that mean?

1124
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,400
Well, that you leave us your data.

1125
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,400
We want to know where you live.

1126
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,400
What you like, what you don't like.

1127
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,400
If we ask about your age, to know what topics

1128
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:13,400
you might be interested in.

1129
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,400
And we're going to be having a lot of giveaways.

1130
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,400
And we already have several accumulated prizes

1131
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:18,400
that we're going to end up giving.

1132
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,400
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1133
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,400
go to marcoantoniorregil.com, diagonal formula,

1134
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,400
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1135
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,400
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1136
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:27,400
And that's how you win.

1137
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,400
And today, Claudia Lizaldi brings us

1138
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,400
gifts, gifts for our partners.

1139
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:33,400
A car!

1140
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:34,400
A car!

1141
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,400
A car!

1142
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:36,400
A trip!

1143
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,400
A workshop!

1144
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:38,400
It's a workshop!

1145
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,400
It's a weekend workshop.

1146
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,400
1, 2, and 3 of March.

1147
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:41,400
It's at Grow Sen.

1148
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,400
It's this weekend for women, for moms,

1149
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:45,400
for growing.

1150
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:46,080
And there are five

1151
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,400
courtesy passes to the conferences,

1152
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,400
paying only for food in a divine hotel

1153
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,400
called Santorin Valle de Bravo.

1154
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,400
1, 2, 3 of March.

1155
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:54,400
You can stay in Valle de Bravo,

1156
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:55,400
you can stay in Mexico City,

1157
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:56,400
it's close to you, around you.

1158
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,400
Yes, you can stay there or you can stay in the sanctuary.

1159
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,400
Because there are also 50% discounts

1160
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,400
in that same package,

1161
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,400
paying only 50% of the food.

1162
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,400
And there are 10 and 20 25% discounts

1163
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,400
to stay there.

1164
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:09,400
You can go with your friends

1165
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,400
on the weekend to grow

1166
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,400
and you can pay for tables without interest.

1167
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:14,400
I'm going to give you the exclusive

1168
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,400
because you can already see on social media

1169
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,400
who is Renacen, but we haven't said

1170
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,400
about Juan Lucas Martín.

1171
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,400
Juan Lucas Martín will be there.

1172
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,400
He will be there.

1173
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:24,400
He will also be there.

1174
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,400
Well, Diana Ramírez, Javier Otero,

1175
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,400
Octavio Soto, Brenda Vázquez,

1176
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:29,400
my dear Ana Maria Aristi,

1177
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:30,400
Julia de la Borbolla.

1178
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,400
Well, many experts.

1179
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,400
Why? Because one must always be a student.

1180
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,400
No matter how much you think you know,

1181
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:37,400
we were talking about tools.

1182
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,400
You never know if that tool you acquired

1183
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:40,400
that weekend,

1184
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,400
at what point in your life it will serve you.

1185
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,400
But what I'm sure is that it will serve you.

1186
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:44,400
Because life passes us all.

1187
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,400
So, it's a weekend of papachos and tools.

1188
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,400
Valle de Bravo, GrowSend,

1189
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:49,400
Renacen are social networks,

1190
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,400
Renacen, ZenConceta,

1191
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,400
1, 2 and 3 of March.

1192
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,400
Perfect.

1193
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:54,400
And Marcontorereje.com,

1194
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:55,400
from Al Fórmula,

1195
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:56,400
go and sign up as partners.

1196
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:57,400
We will send you the information

1197
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:58,400
with the link,

1198
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,400
in case you want to buy the package.

1199
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,400
But we will have giveaways

1200
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,400
for the partners this week.

1201
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:04,400
I'm going to be a partner.

1202
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:05,400
This is great.

1203
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:06,400
Yes, I'm going to be a partner.

1204
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:07,400
This is a partner.

1205
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:08,400
Tomorrow, we are in the week

1206
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:09,400
of love and friendship.

1207
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,400
Tomorrow we have a special program

1208
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,400
where we will talk about money

1209
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:14,400
and love.

1210
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,400
How important is it to talk about money

1211
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,400
with the partner?

1212
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,400
How important is it that you have

1213
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:21,400
your financial independence,

1214
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:22,400
that your partner doesn't

1215
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,400
dominate you financially?

1216
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:25,400
The cast for tomorrow,

1217
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,400
the program,

1218
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:27,400
well, it's luxurious.

1219
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:28,400
To start,

1220
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:29,400
I call her

1221
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,400
Santa Nilda Charaviglio.

1222
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:32,400
Santa Nilda Charaviglio,

1223
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,400
who is one of the great teachers

1224
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,400
of relationships in Mexico.

1225
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:37,400
Morris Dieck comes,

1226
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:38,400
who is also another great teacher

1227
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:39,400
of finances,

1228
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:40,400
of Regio Montano.

1229
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,400
Morris Dieck

1230
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:42,400
is going to talk about money.

1231
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:43,400
Nilda is obviously

1232
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:44,400
her specialty,

1233
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,400
relationships and the partner.

1234
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,400
And to make sense of humor,

1235
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,400
Jorge Lozano comes to the program.

1236
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:50,400
How fun!

1237
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:51,400
Wow!

1238
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:52,400
I'm so happy!

1239
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:53,400
Hey, like today...

1240
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:54,400
Today I'm not going to talk about sex.

1241
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:55,400
Tonight I have a live

1242
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,400
and I'm going to talk about sex.

1243
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,400
Oh, no, it's about money.

1244
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,400
And sex is not talked about in a relationship.

1245
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:02,400
And how important it is to have

1246
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,400
that topic present.

1247
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:05,400
And well, to have sex and money too.

1248
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,400
Of course.

1249
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:07,400
To talk about that and to have it.

1250
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:08,400
Well, Thursday and Friday,

1251
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:09,400
last warning,

1252
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:10,400
on Thursday and Friday we will be

1253
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:11,400
broadcasting Marc Antonio Orquillo

1254
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,400
in Formula 3 from Guadalajara, Jalisco.

1255
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,400
It's going to be very, very, very,

1256
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:16,400
very fun.

1257
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,400
I'm asking you.

1258
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,400
By the way, which...

1259
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,400
Let's play.

1260
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:22,400
Let's play.

1261
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:23,400
Which are the three countries

1262
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:24,400
where there is more inferiority

1263
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,400
in Latin America?

1264
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:26,400
I think Mexico.

1265
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:27,400
Mexico is one of them.

1266
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,400
Mexico, Brazil and Peru?

1267
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,400
Brazil, one, Colombia, two, Mexico, three.

1268
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,400
We have winners.

1269
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:37,400
Very good.

1270
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:38,400
But I have another interesting fact.

1271
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:39,400
I think the Colombians too.

1272
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:40,400
The Colombians.

1273
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,400
Well, I don't know how these polls are made,

1274
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:45,400
but it's fun.

1275
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,400
The states in Mexico,

1276
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:49,400
the states of the republic,

1277
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:50,400
where there is more inferiority.

1278
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:51,400
Yucatan.

1279
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:52,400
Yucatan.

1280
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:53,400
And Tarrón.

1281
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:54,400
And Tarrón too.

1282
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,400
No, they're not in the top 5.

1283
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,400
In Yucatan they are faithful, girl.

1284
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,400
I live in Yucatan.

1285
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,400
What are you talking about?

1286
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,400
I know the things there, but nothing happens.

1287
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:03,400
Being hot.

1288
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,400
Being hot doesn't exist in...

1289
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,400
Well, being hot.

1290
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:09,400
But, well, guys,

1291
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:10,400
I'm going to be very honest,

1292
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:11,400
but I'm here with my sister

1293
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:12,400
and she allows me to.

1294
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,400
I think the bathroom, for God's sake,

1295
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:15,400
stop being unfaithful.

1296
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:16,400
I mean, it doesn't matter.

1297
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,400
Not that they were the best in the house.

1298
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:19,400
If they were, I'd share them,

1299
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:20,400
I'd applaud them.

1300
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:21,400
But hey,

1301
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:22,400
learn to be a happy woman

1302
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,400
and you'll end up there.

1303
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,400
The number one place of infidelity in Mexico,

1304
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:27,400
the city of Mexico,

1305
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:28,400
then the state of Mexico,

1306
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:29,400
then Nuevo León,

1307
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:30,400
then Jalisco, then Querétaro.

1308
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:31,400
But...

1309
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:32,400
Jalisco for sure.

1310
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:33,400
Jalisco.

1311
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:34,400
Jalisco, let's go there.

1312
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:35,400
Jodis and Fridays.

1313
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,400
The municipality of Mexico with more polyamory.

1314
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:39,400
On Friday we'll be talking about

1315
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,400
traditional relationships and polyamory.

1316
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,400
The municipality of the city,

1317
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,400
the country where there's more polyamory

1318
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:47,400
that is known and declared.

1319
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:48,400
Which ones?

1320
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,400
Guess, I don't know.

1321
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:50,400
We're on Thursday.

1322
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:51,400
We have to guess?

1323
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:52,400
Municipality?

1324
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:53,400
Municipality.

1325
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:54,400
Well, say a state and I'll guide you.

1326
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:55,400
The state of Mexico.

1327
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:56,400
The city of Mexico.

1328
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:57,400
To the north.

1329
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,400
To the north.

1330
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,400
Grab a plane, grab a plane to the accident.

1331
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,400
To the accident.

1332
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:03,400
Chihuahua.

1333
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,400
Well, it's in Jalisco.

1334
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:06,400
Jalisco is polyamory?

1335
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:07,400
It is.

1336
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,400
The municipality number one in polyamory in Mexico.

1337
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:10,400
Guadalajara.

1338
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:11,400
No, no.

1339
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:12,400
Zapopancar.

1340
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:13,400
Zapopancar is in Jalisco.

1341
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:14,400
Zapopancar.

1342
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,400
Ah!

1343
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:16,400
What the hell?

1344
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,400
Yeah, I was your boyfriend.

1345
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:18,400
I was the last boyfriend you had.

1346
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:19,400
Now you understand.

1347
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,400
But that wasn't polyamory.

1348
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,400
That was from the opus.

1349
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:24,400
It was super conservative.

1350
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:25,400
Oh, really?

1351
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,400
Yeah, of course it goes to extremes.

1352
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,400
It goes from meditator, yoga and everything.

1353
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:30,400
He's experimenting.

1354
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,400
His soul needs experimenting.

1355
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,400
When I write my book, well, no.

1356
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,400
In infidelity, a personality appears

1357
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:38,400
that you hide.

1358
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,400
And then it's the other me.

1359
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:41,400
Exactly.

1360
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,400
That you don't allow yourself to be taken out

1361
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,400
in public life, but it comes out in private.

1362
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,400
So that's not interesting either.

1363
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,400
In fact, a mutual friend told me,

1364
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,400
he said, you see who sits up front

1365
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,400
in any religious space, synagogue, church,

1366
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,400
and never, never do business

1367
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,400
or relationships with that person,

1368
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,400
because they are strongly repenting of something.

1369
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,400
And they just go and think they're tied.

1370
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,400
Because they help, they deposit,

1371
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,400
they give their little help and they tie.

1372
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,400
Yes, sadly, and I know they're strong statements,

1373
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,400
but sometimes the most conservative

1374
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:14,400
and more religious people.

1375
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:15,400
Yes, of course.

1376
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,400
Let's see, I say it as a professional.

1377
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:18,400
Why the restrictions?

1378
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,400
The question is that you allow yourself

1379
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,400
to have that other me.

1380
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,400
Do you repress yourself so much?

1381
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,400
Yes, it's like Batman and Bruno 10.

1382
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,400
In the public part you have an image,

1383
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,400
but in the private part you have another

1384
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:33,400
that allows you to be.

1385
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,400
And precisely when you're jumping

1386
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,400
from one place to another, it's because

1387
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,400
it allows you to be that other identity

1388
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,400
that you can't show in the public.

1389
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,400
That also part of the restriction,

1390
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,400
of those beliefs that we were talking about

1391
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,400
a while ago, and it's a very rooted religious belief

1392
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,400
where there is a lot of guilt,

1393
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,400
a lot of repression,

1394
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:56,400
so you need to get that other personality

1395
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:57,400
to be able to defog.

1396
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,400
Otherwise, we already fall into

1397
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,400
much more serious mental illnesses,

1398
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,400
as it could be, well, maybe a issue

1399
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,400
of schizophrenia, or a human episode,

1400
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,400
it's like the person doesn't manage

1401
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,400
to balance those personalities.

1402
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,400
Now, in the healthy part, I accept

1403
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,400
that I am this religious person,

1404
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,400
or with certain beliefs,

1405
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,400
but I also accept myself in the other

1406
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,400
where I give myself permission to do

1407
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,400
and to express myself with my partner,

1408
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,400
or how I want to do in any social sphere.

1409
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,400
That's what we do, but we don't have religion

1410
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:29,400
and we believe in God, in love, in respect.

1411
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,400
But, let's see, I'm not going to talk anymore

1412
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,400
because if I don't, I'm going to

1413
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,400
compromise people I know,

1414
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,400
and then they're going to talk about

1415
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,400
don't talk about me anymore.

1416
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,400
But that's a very interesting topic,

1417
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,400
how repression of beliefs ends up

1418
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,400
taking you to the edge of escaping.

1419
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,400
It makes you sick, because you repress

1420
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,400
just part of your own identity,

1421
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,400
your nature.

1422
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,400
Imagine that I want to be a rude person,

1423
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,400
but I can't say it because we're in this area.

1424
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,400
That's what I was also told, that I was very rude.

1425
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,400
Yes, of course, when you allow yourself to be more you,

1426
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,400
you're more balanced.

1427
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,400
You don't have to be holding on to yourself,

1428
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,400
and it's going to generate mental diseases.

1429
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,400
They're called psychosomatic diseases.

1430
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,400
Psychosomatic diseases.

1431
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,400
Yes, of course.

1432
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,400
In the next program we'll talk about that,

1433
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,400
repression, how to repress yourself,

1434
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,400
how to repress your instincts and who you are,

1435
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,400
ends up causing psychosomatic diseases.

1436
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,400
And one of the consequences can be infidelity.

1437
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,400
I'm going to move my fingers.

1438
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,400
They have joints.

1439
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,400
When I'm very stubborn,

1440
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,400
my joints hurt because

1441
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,400
a psychosomatic disease

1442
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,400
deposits the joints.

1443
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,400
What limits you to the disease?

1444
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,400
And that's where the root of your problem is.

1445
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,400
We have 30 seconds. Doctor, where are you?

1446
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,400
I'm in

1447
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,400
Attention and Psychological Treatment.

1448
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:52,400
The phone is 55-54-16-43-71.

1449
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,400
You can send me a message.

1450
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,400
And on social media, like Juan Antonio Barrer,

1451
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,400
on Facebook.

1452
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,400
And we have on the Imer

1453
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,400
this radio program every Thursday,

1454
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,400
Ciudadan Radio, 6.60 a.m.

1455
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,400
It's called Las Parejas Disparejas en Radio.

1456
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,400
Audrey, where are we?

1457
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,400
Social media like Audrey,

1458
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,400
Psychologist on Instagram, TikTok.

1459
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,400
My page is audreyvera.com.

1460
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,400
There I write to you with pleasure.

1461
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,400
Right now I'm giving online consultations

1462
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,400
just for the treatment.

1463
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,400
But with a lot of love and with a lot of pleasure I'll receive them.

1464
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,400
Claudia and Lizaldi, where are we?

1465
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,400
If you want to send me flowers tomorrow,

1466
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,400
February 14th,

1467
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,400
I'm at my parents' house.

1468
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,400
No, let's see, Claudia and Lizaldi,

1469
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,400
you should send me flowers, brother,

1470
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,400
you're cool. Let's see, Claudia and Lizaldi,

1471
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,400
everywhere, and open your eyes on YouTube.

1472
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,400
Now I have this podcast that I'm really enjoying.

1473
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,400
They take us. I'm Marc Antonio Regil.

1474
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,400
Thank you. I'm Marc Antonio Regil

1475
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,400
on all social media. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

1476
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,400
And tomorrow, February 14th, we'll be celebrating

1477
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,400
with three titans.

1478
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,400
Money and love, very important topic.

1479
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,400
See you tomorrow. Bye.

1480
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,400
Thanks for watching.