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Let's begin!

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We are in the U.S. and the local radio station of Radio Fórmula.

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Here in Jalisco.

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It's 89.5 FM.

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A round of applause for Radio Fórmula Jalisco.

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It makes it possible for us to be here.

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For the U.G.

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I'm Marco Antonio Regil.

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And I want to tell you that today we are going to dedicate the program

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to a very, very, very important health issue.

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Which is this phenomenon of sudden heart attacks.

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Of sudden death.

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When 100 Mexicans said,

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you will remember that at the end of the program we had a game

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that was called sudden death.

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But this is not a game.

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This is a matter of life or death.

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I don't know if you remember,

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on March 26th, 2018,

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the Croatian football player,

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Bruno Boban collapsed.

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It's a video, well, it's on YouTube, very graphic by the way.

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He collapsed in the middle of the field.

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I don't know if you remember,

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they gave him a ball in the chest and he fell.

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And well, until now it seems,

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you know, in football,

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like the referee and everything,

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he says, like he gets up and everything,

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but then you realize that he is serious and he died.

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A ball in the chest, that's a footballer,

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a young person, a healthy person.

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So this happened to the footballer,

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it happens to not only dozens of athletes,

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it happens to many people in the world.

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In fact, the Mexican Society of Cardiology in Mexico

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estimates that every year there are,

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look, between 150,000 and 250,000 cases of sudden heart attacks.

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So you don't even expect it.

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And it doesn't mean that you don't have to be sick.

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Anyone can give us and at any age.

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Almost 95% of them die in a matter of minutes

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if they don't apply heart-to-heart resuscitation

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and the use of a wonderful electronic device

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which we are going to talk about today in the program.

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The issue is that lives can be saved.

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This issue can happen to you, to me, to an uncle, to the grandmother,

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to a child, it can happen to anyone.

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And today's program, we are going to give you information

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that can literally help us save lives.

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And that's why we have invited,

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the idea of coming to Guadalajara is because it was happening

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at the International Cardiology Congress here in Guadalajara

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which has been going on for 16 years.

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They invited me to give a conference and said,

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hey, let's do a program from Guadalajara.

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Today we are accompanied by Dr. Efraín Gagiola,

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who is a clinical interventionist cardiologist,

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member of the Mexican Society of Cardiology,

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who has saved thousands and thousands of people

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and is going to talk to us about how to prevent

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and how to treat the issue of a sudden heart attack.

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I mean, she is going to give us information that saves lives.

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And she is also going to accompany us, the surgeon with a master's degree in nutrition,

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Gabriela Tortosa, who is also an expert,

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not only in how food can help us save lives,

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to prevent, but she is also an expert in personalized precision medicine

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and in a genetic test that can help us discover

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if we have a natural prevention of this.

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It is a wonder what science can do with us.

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So, today we are going to learn and grow a lot here from the UDG.

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And the question we are going to ask today,

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if you go to marcoantoniorregil.com, diagonal formula,

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the question we are going to ask so that you can participate and tell us,

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is this, in the confessional, do you know someone who has suffered a sudden heart attack?

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Yes, no, or the third option is what is that?

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I don't even know what a sudden heart attack is.

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marcoantoniorregil.com, diagonal formula,

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we are going to open the conversation so that you can tell us

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if you have heard about this and we are going to learn a lot, literally.

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Stay with us because it is information that can save our lives.

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From the UDG, University of Guadalajara,

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we continue live, here we are.

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I am Marco Antonio Regil in formula.

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We return.

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We are live from the beautiful Guadalajara,

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Guadalajara in the UDG,

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with students.

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They are here, live with us.

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Today we are talking about our dear body,

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our dear love, love.

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What a beautiful way to show love,

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to take care of our health

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and to prevent the topic of today,

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which is sudden death.

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Today we are joined by Dr. Efraín Gagiola,

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who is a clinical and interventionist cardiologist,

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who is a member of the Mexican Society of Cardiology

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and who has saved the lives of thousands and thousands of people

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who will come to explain to us,

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with apples and in a simple way, doctor,

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what is this sudden death.

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Welcome and thank you for having us here in Guadalajara.

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On the contrary, Marco,

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it is really a pleasure to be here with all of you.

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Let's start.

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What is this, doctor?

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Let's start.

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First I will make a comment about the beginning of the program

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when you mentioned a football player

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who receives a ball in the chest.

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Yes.

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Let's start there and then we will go to the definition.

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There is a term called the touch of death.

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The touch of death, ok.

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And it is also called DIMMAC.

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It is a blow that is given in the chest,

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it can be even with the fist,

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with the UFC fighters,

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or a great ball, or a trauma.

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And that blow is given in a moment of heart beat

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that can cause cardiac arrest.

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Ok.

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And this has happened in football players,

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in fighters, boxers, DIMMAC or touch of death.

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Well, that is sudden death.

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What is sudden death or sudden death?

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This is an unexpected death, obviously,

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when it is sudden or sudden.

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And it is the cause in 150,000, 200,000 people per year

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here in Mexico

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who die within the first hour of the beginning of symptoms,

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it is called sudden death,

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the symptoms begin, they die,

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or suddenly they walk or are running in the football field

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and they explode.

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That is sudden death.

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And the question is, can anyone die?

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At any age, suddenly our heart stops,

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and why does that happen?

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Well, here we are going to divide this point

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into two periods of age.

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We are going to talk first about the 35, 40 years

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that sudden death is caused by heart attacks,

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as it is usually known,

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after the 35, 40 years.

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When it occurs in 35 years or less,

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or there are incidents in the sudden death family,

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in young people, we have to investigate other causes,

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such as genetic causes or inherited ones.

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But these are the two groups.

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Above the 35 years,

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it is obligatory to do a certain kind of study,

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go with the cardiologist, an electrocardiogram, an evaluation.

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So these would be the two big groups.

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So these are the big groups,

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but it can happen to anyone.

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Does it happen more to women than to men,

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or is it the same thing?

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It really happens twice as much to men as to women.

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Why doesn't it happen more to men?

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Well...

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Why? Why, doctor?

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This really has a lot to do with age.

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For example, above 45, 50 years,

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when menopause arrives and the female normal production drops,

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the frequency of cardiac problems or sudden death is equalized.

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For women younger than 40, it happens less to them than to men.

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That's right.

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Maybe it reaches 40.

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In some way...

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The statistics are even.

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In some way, female hormones have that protective effect.

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That's why some gynecologists recommend that when menopause arrives,

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they give a period of treatment to prevent this from happening.

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But in summary, after 40, 45 years,

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or the period when menopause arrives,

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that's when it's equalized.

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We're even.

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But then, the group with the highest risk,

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and even if you're listening or watching and saying,

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hey, I'm not from that risk group,

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we all have people we want from that risk group,

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and the goal of this program is to understand it,

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and to find solutions for us and our loved ones.

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The group with the highest risk are men, young men.

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Up to 35, 40 years.

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Up.

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The older, the more risk.

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The higher risk.

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So what happened to this footballer, who was under 35,

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was more because of the blow to the chest,

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the blow to the death you mentioned.

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Yes.

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That's a cause.

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But anyway, if this happened,

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it's mandatory to study it,

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to have a genetic study,

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to be able to identify if there's a risk of future

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sudden deaths,

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we call it an abortion.

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Yes, here I have very important information.

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It says, based on the INEGI figures,

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only from January to August 2020,

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which is the most recent figure we found,

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in Mexico there were more than 140,000 deaths.

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And although there are no exact figures,

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it's estimated that between 20 and 30% of those deaths

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have been sudden deaths.

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So it's a fairly common issue.

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And also, the data says, it was added,

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that if a person collapses,

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and here's the super interesting point, doctor,

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if a person collapses and someone doesn't assist them quickly,

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they'll have a survival percentage of only 5%.

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It gives you a sudden death.

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And if they don't assist you,

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which is today's program,

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how to prevent it, obviously,

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but how to assist, only 5% can live.

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95% goes away.

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On the contrary, studies say,

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an appropriate intervention is made,

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following the steps that mark the protocol

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called survival chain,

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which the doctor will explain to us now,

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which is this,

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when performing a early cardiopormonal animation,

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the survival percentage is up to 72%.

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So, if we're prepared and educated,

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we can save a loved one's life.

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First, we're not really prepared or educated.

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Second, we can save a person's life

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if we have the knowledge and information.

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And I think this program will help us a lot

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to define this group of people.

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What is this protocol of survival chain?

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What is it that helps save lives?

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Well, let me explain.

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When someone has sudden death,

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this can be at home,

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it can be in a public place,

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for every minute that passes

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and that doesn't receive attention,

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the survival percentage is reduced by 10%.

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For every minute?

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For every minute.

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So that if in 5 or 10 minutes

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they don't receive any attention, they're going to die.

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5 or 10 minutes.

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5 or 10 minutes.

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Hey, they should teach this at school.

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It should be a basic training,

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from primary school or secondary school.

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You know it.

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Totally agree.

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So, doctor?

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There are some countries,

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Germany for example,

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where children in primary school

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are taught to perform cardiopormonal animation.

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But it's a knowledge that we all need.

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Obviously,

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greater interest should exist

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in those people who have family members

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with cardiac problems

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or who have family members who have had

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a sudden death episode,

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who are forced to know what to do.

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But the first 5 minutes,

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we're talking about 10,

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the first 5 minutes are essential

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to prevent brain damage

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and to prevent total and irrecoverable death.

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Okay.

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I want us to understand as best we can

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what we need to do.

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What can I do?

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We'll talk about that in the next segment.

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We have the conversation open, friends,

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so you can listen to us and watch us on Telefórmula,

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on YouTube, on all the platforms of Grupo Fórmula,

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on the confessionaries,

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ivanamarcontoniorregil.com, diagonalfórmula.

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You can vote to know the reality,

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at least for those of you who are listening.

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Today's question is,

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to someone who has suffered a sudden heart attack,

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you've lived it up close,

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47% of people say yes,

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41% say no,

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and 12% of people who haven't even heard

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about this topic.

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So it's very important to educate us.

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So in the next segment,

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we're going to talk about

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an incredible electronic device,

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a wonderful device that can save your life.

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The doctor brought us one here,

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he's going to show it to us,

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he's going to teach us,

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he's going to tell us how much it costs,

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he's going to tell us who should have it,

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how difficult or easy it is to learn to use it,

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what do I do if I don't have enough money to buy it?

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Anyway, that's something very, very important.

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We're here from the UDG in Guadalajara, Jalisco.

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We'll be back live.

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Guadalajara, Guadalajara.

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The topic of today is sudden death.

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How to prevent it? We'll be back.

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Go for it.

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Follow the conversation with

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Marco Antonio Regil in Formula.

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We're going to talk about protected territory.

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We're live from the University of Guadalajara

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here with the students of the UDG,

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the UDG Cultural Center,

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and Santander University of Arts and Scenic Arts.

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The topic of today is how to protect ourselves

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and avoid sudden death.

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Anyone can give us a call,

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the conversation has just started.

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This is Dr. Efrain Gajiola,

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cardiologist, member of the Mexican Society of Cardiology.

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He's an interventionist.

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We're here in Guadalajara because we're in the framework

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of a wonderful congress that's taking place

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in 2016.

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It's an international cardiology congress.

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Yesterday I found myself on the plane.

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People from Venezuela, Colombia, the United States,

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Spain, Italy...

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I'll be with you in the afternoon giving a conference

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not about cardiology because obviously

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all the doctors would leave.

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But it's related to the heart.

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How can you follow your heart?

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But we were talking about sudden death.

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Anyone can give us a call.

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What do you do if someone gives you sudden death?

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Every minute counts, as the doctor said.

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Every minute you pass without attention,

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what percentage does it decrease the chance of survival?

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10 minutes, sorry, 10% for every minute

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that your heart stops.

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So the first thing that comes to mind is

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heart rate resuscitation, which is what you see

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on TV and in TV shows, and the Mexican Red Cross

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gives courses where you have to suppress...

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That's easy to learn.

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We should learn that.

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Yes, the answer is yes.

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Here we just have to divide the population into two groups.

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Those who have had some training

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in heart rate resuscitation

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and those who really don't know anything.

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Most of us don't know.

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Except for the patient or the person who falls dead.

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And what you said is very important.

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We think that nobody will be affected by family or one,

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but I think it's a knowledge that must be generalized.

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And as you mentioned, it's something that even

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in primary school, a child in primary or secondary school

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can save a life and there are many cases of it.

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So the first point is to forget that it won't happen to us.

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In case it happens, if someone is alone,

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the first thing to do is call an ambulance

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and then do something called heart rate resuscitation.

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We are not experts in detecting whether someone is dead or not.

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If someone falls, they don't move, we assume they are dead.

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We have to do compressions in the chest from 100 to 120 times per minute.

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Do we have to count them?

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By crushing the central part, where the sternum is,

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with the arms extended and the palm of the hand.

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From 100 to 120, that is, every second I have to give two.

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Yes, 100 every minute, 100 to 120.

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And you have to compress the chest approximately 5 centimeters.

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Why? Because we assume that the heart is stopped.

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If the heart is stopped, the brain is not pumping blood.

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And I go from the left side of the chest.

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To the left side.

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You have to know where the heart is.

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To the left.

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And something that is very important is this.

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Keep in mind that the heart is stopped, there is no blood flowing.

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The blood has become stagnant.

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So when you compress, you crush the heart so that the organ pumps a little blood.

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Two hands.

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Two hands.

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Straight.

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And using the weight of your body, right?

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The weight of your body, straight.

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And using your shoulders and letting the weight fall.

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Like in Colombia, that is, putting the elbows extended.

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Extended so that it is not the muscle, but the bone that is there, direct, and apply all the force.

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And obviously your force will be applied through your body, your toes.

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In Colombia, using the center of your body.

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That's right.

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And 5 centimeters more or less we have to crush so that you pump a little blood.

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The most sensitive organ of the human body of damage is the brain.

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In such a way that if in the first five minutes we do not give a little blood to the brain, you are left with permanent sequels.

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Of course, one thing is that you die, another thing is that you are left with a disability.

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You can save yourself and you can remain with neurological disability.

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So where can I take a course?

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I say, I already wanted to go take it because I am simple and imagine being able to save a loved one's life.

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What happens to you?

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It happened to me that my dog died.

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He just gave him a stop and there he was.

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He died and it was very traumatic, apart from in a park with people around and everything.

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I imagine how traumatic it must be that it happens to you with a loved one, with someone from your family.

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Well, my dog was my family, obviously.

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So where do we get these courses?

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In the Mexican Red Cross or where can we go take a course?

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There are different centers, it can be other universities, hospitals.

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There are places where you can research to receive it in a way that is close to home.

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Excuse me for insisting, but where do I call?

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I call a hospital, I call the Red Cross and I say, hey, I want a course from RCP.

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You took it, didn't you Claudia, our producer?

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You took that course where? The Mexican Red Cross?

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What did you call the Red Cross?

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They offered us the course and they did.

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But what do I do? Should I call the Red Cross or who should I call?

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That's an option, but there are also many hospitals that provide the service.

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So I call and ask.

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Training, that's right.

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Private hospitals, public hospitals.

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That's right.

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The other point that interrupts is the second group, in which there are people who are trained.

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The strategy changes.

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If there are two people, when the stop occurs, you call 911, call ambulances, while I am going to give a massage.

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I am going to call another person to give a massage.

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And then look for a device to apply electroshocks.

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We are going to talk about that.

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What is this called?

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There is a magical electronic device, miraculously scientifically saved lives, what is it called?

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Automatic external defibrillator, which as you can see is a box, as if it were a toaster.

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It is a toaster for those who are listening on the radio.

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It is a toaster here, well a toaster, it is like a device like a yellow and black toaster.

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And look, here we are transmitting from the UDG and precisely according to the University of Guadalajara,

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the automatic defibrillators allow to save a person from sudden death.

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And this type of device can save, according to the UDG, up to 90% of people who suffer sudden death from cardiovascular diseases.

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Doctor, that is a miracle.

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It is fantastic.

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It is important to mention that if an adult has sudden death, 80 or 90% of cases are caused by arrhythmia in the heart,

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which is called fibrillation.

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If the heart pumps blood, 60 to 80 liters per minute, fibrillation is like an atrium,

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it is equivalent to cardiac arrest.

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Ok.

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So that is why you have to attend to it while giving the maneuvers.

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And this device called external automatic defibrillator is really very easy to use.

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It is a device in which...

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Look, for those who see us on Telefórmula, you can see it here.

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I mean, you open it and the device itself is giving you instructions.

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Yes, and a drawing appears where there are two patches, you put one on one side, another one on the other side, here it is signaled.

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It tells you where.

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To open the bag.

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Those who are listening to the radio and want to see this, go to YouTube where we will have the program available.

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Look, it has Spanish accent.

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Of an electrode.

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Ok.

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Place the electrode in the naked skin as shown in the figure.

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Wow, wonderful.

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The electrode is firmly attached.

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It gives you...

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Unplug the blue plastic of the other electrode.

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It takes you by the hand.

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Yes.

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As shown in the figure.

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And it tells you, because imagine, you get nervous at the moment, imagine if someone is dying and you, how do I do it?

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Well, the machine...

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You open, you see a drawing, one patch here, another patch here, and it tells you to press the button and you press the button.

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And what does the device do?

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If the patient has a heart rate, it tells you not to press anything, stay calm.

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Aha.

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The heart is stopped, press the button.

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Aha.

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And it tells you when to stop, when to give another discharge.

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It is an electric discharge, as you see in the TV series, in the movies, that when someone arrives in an emergency, they discharge it.

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This fits in your briefcase, you can have it at home.

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And that can keep the person alive until the ambulance arrives?

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Of course.

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Of every 100 patients who have a heart attack and who die suddenly, 80 or 90 are because of that rhythm called defibrillation,

521
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,800
flushing, not pumping blood.

522
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,800
And this has a success rate of 80 or 90%.

523
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:41,800
You remove the arrhythmia and then the ambulance arrives to take you to the hospital to receive medical attention.

524
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,800
Wonderful. Let's take a break and we will continue to talk to finish understanding this defibrillator well.

525
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:48,800
Automatic.

526
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:49,800
Automatic.

527
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:50,800
External.

528
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:51,800
That.

529
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,800
That beautiful, beautiful and miraculous device.

530
00:25:54,800 --> 00:26:01,800
I'm going to ask the doctor, who should have it, why should it have it, how much does it cost, what does the government say, the health department,

531
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,800
about who should have it, where is it obtained, if they don't have it, what can I do to have one?

532
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:14,800
And a doctor comes to us, Dr. Gabriela Tortosa, who is a surgeon and will talk to us about a genetic test to see if this sudden heart attack can give us.

533
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,800
We are back from Guadalajara.

534
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:27,800
Oh, he builds through our conversation, through our conversation, through us. We return with Marco Antonio Regil in Formula.

535
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:33,800
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536
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537
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:46,800
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538
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539
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:53,800
Follow the conversation with Marco Antonio Regil in Formula.

540
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We are live from Guadalajara, Guadalajara for all of Mexico and the world through Radio Fórmula, Telefórmula, Radio Fórmula.mx, YouTube, you know, Spotify, etc. etc.

541
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:13,800
Today we are joined by Dr. Efraín Gagiola, cardiologist, member of the Mexican Society of Cardiology, interventionist, expert in saving lives.

542
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:24,800
And also, Dr. Gabriela Tortosa, surgeon with a master's degree in nutrition and also an expert in personalized medicine will join the conversation.

543
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:33,800
And she will not only talk to us about food, how eating clean and healthy can help us prevent heart problems, these sudden heart attacks,

544
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:39,800
but also how there is a genetic test that can help us discover if we are prone to that.

545
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,800
So we have a lot to cover in this segment, but we are left pending.

546
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,800
First, Dr. Welcome.

547
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:45,800
Thank you, Marco.

548
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,800
What a wonderful device, right?

549
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,800
I want to buy one.

550
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:49,800
Me too.

551
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,800
We are talking about the defibrillator again, that's what it's called.

552
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,800
Yes.

553
00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:02,800
It is this device that in case of a sudden heart attack, you connect it, it tells you step by step how, as I was demonstrating in the previous segment.

554
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:12,800
And it saves your life, according to the UDG, it says that 90% of people who have a sudden heart attack can be saved if they have a defibrillator in their hand.

555
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:20,800
The defibrillator is called because the arrhythmia, equivalent to cardiac arrest, is called fibrillation.

556
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,800
Okay.

557
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,800
That's where the name defibrillator comes from.

558
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:36,800
It is important to mention that in theory, in places where there are 500 people congregated, show centers, stadiums, public buildings, government buildings.

559
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,800
There should be one.

560
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,800
There should be one for every 500 people who are congregated.

561
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,800
But is this a law, is it a suggestion? Who regulates this? Health secretariat?

562
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:51,800
There is a Mexican official norm, health secretariat, it even has 2012, 2013, which was approved.

563
00:28:51,800 --> 00:29:03,800
Unfortunately, this has not been adopted because they put it as a suggestion or an instance for commercial centers to have one or the show centers.

564
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:10,800
But in theory, cinemas, commercial centers, universities, the UDG, by the way, we give a round of applause to the UDG, here they have these devices available.

565
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,800
If something happens to someone, they are available here.

566
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,800
The places that have defibrillators, what are they called?

567
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:26,800
It is called a protected area, it is the word that is currently being used, or a protected area building.

568
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,800
So the UDG, for example, is a protected area.

569
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:36,800
How much does this device cost? Because obviously, doctor, we want to know how much it costs. Give me two to carry, please.

570
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:44,800
Really, the relative price, we are talking about human lives, but they can be obtained from 20,000 to 30,000 pesos.

571
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,800
It costs a lot of money.

572
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,800
20,000 to 30,000 pesos.

573
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,800
And where can we buy them?

574
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,800
The point is that...

575
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,800
The doctor does not buy them, he is not doing business with them.

576
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,800
I just thought of it, I'm going to put up a sales business, let's associate ourselves.

577
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:07,800
The point here is public centers with 500 or more people, one for each 500, but at home.

578
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,800
Most of the sudden deaths also occur at home.

579
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:18,800
If you have a relative, a friend who visits you frequently, who had a heart attack, or has heart problems,

580
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,800
you have to have it at home, in a place that is easily accessible.

581
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,800
Of course, now, how many people can buy a device of 20,000 to 30,000 pesos?

582
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:32,800
Well, it's quite expensive. There are no subsidies, there are no credits, there are no ways...

583
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:39,800
Well, what we could ask is that the school, the places of work, malls, cinemas, have it.

584
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,800
But is there any kind of help for someone who says, I want one and I don't have 30,000 pesos?

585
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,800
Well, there are companies that are dedicated to making a kind of loan for health.

586
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,800
They are private, right?

587
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,800
In which there is a problem, even in hospitalized patients, you call them and they go, pay the bill,

588
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:02,800
and they tell you, well, you're going to pay in monthly, X amount...

589
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,800
Small donations. Small donations, weekly.

590
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,800
Well, if you have 30,000 pesos, it's a good investment, and if you don't have them,

591
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,800
well, at least it's good to know and ask if in your workplace they have one,

592
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,800
or tell the boss, there, to the people, hey, why don't they buy us one just in case?

593
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,800
I mean, see where the closest distributor is.

594
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:29,800
You have exactly, as you have mentioned, it can be in high school or elementary school,

595
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:36,800
high school, high school, universities, all the places where they congregate, yes.

596
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,800
The companies would be great if they did.

597
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,800
It's practically mandatory.

598
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,800
The buildings, the co-workers, right?

599
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:43,800
The planes.

600
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,800
At the moment, you can't buy one yourself, but maybe in the building where you live,

601
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,800
the committee gathers and they can buy one that is in the building, right?

602
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,800
Or with the neighbor, you get together and you have, I don't know, there are creative ways.

603
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,800
The planes have them. Another thing that is very important, Marco,

604
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,800
is that the place where it's going to be placed has to be at a distance

605
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,800
where in 60 seconds you can get to grab it.

606
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,800
60 seconds.

607
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:13,800
I mean, 60, you can't have this in, I don't know, 10 blocks, to say something, right?

608
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,800
Of course not, in my idea of the lobby of the building,

609
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,800
where the elevator goes down and you get there, well, no.

610
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,800
Because remember,

611
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:20,800
It's good, canceled.

612
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Remember that every minute that passes, 10% less of the possibility of surviving.

613
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:33,800
And the first five minutes are fundamental to prevent brain damage.

614
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,800
Wow. Well, we covered this.

615
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,800
Doctor, I want to ask you, thanks for joining us here.

616
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,800
Before we start the program, Marco tells me,

617
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,800
is there a genetic test that we can do to see if we have a predisposition to this?

618
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,800
I mean, are there people who have more genetic predisposition than others?

619
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:50,800
Definitely.

620
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,800
In the case of sudden death, as the doctor mentioned,

621
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,800
he mentioned it at the beginning, there is a genetic cause,

622
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,800
that is, there are families that have a gene

623
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,800
of a group of diseases called stemiocardiopathy,

624
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,800
which are diseases of the muscle, where the cardiac muscle can be more enlarged,

625
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,800
and that you don't know, that doesn't give you any symptoms,

626
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,800
you don't know that you have it,

627
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,800
and that's why the doctor said that if it's before 35 years,

628
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,800
and you have a relative who has had a sudden death,

629
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,800
then that's where you say, candidate to do the genetic study.

630
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,800
If you are a relative of someone who has had an episode of this.

631
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,800
And you have less than 35 years.

632
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,800
Why? Because having this gene,

633
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,800
as well as there are other genes that you can turn on and off according to your habits,

634
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,800
according to your lifestyle, this gene, no,

635
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,800
this gene, for example, is indicative,

636
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,800
that Dr. Efraín tells me if I'm wrong,

637
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,800
that if you have this test, for example,

638
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,800
there is a gene, right, that is SCN5A,

639
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,800
that measures the sodium channels,

640
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,800
and if you have, you are positive for this gene,

641
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,800
the indication is where is the mark-step.

642
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,800
A mark-step. A mark-step,

643
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,800
as prevention is correct, Efraín? Yes.

644
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,800
That the mark-step goes under the skin,

645
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,800
and it can give you a discharge, is it an electrical discharge that gives you?

646
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,800
The people who have had this sudden death incident,

647
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,800
young people who have the gene,

648
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,800
in which sudden death can be repetitive,

649
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,800
there is a device that measures 3, 5 centimeters,

650
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,800
local anesthesia,

651
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,800
it is placed under the clavicle, under the skin,

652
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,800
with local anesthesia, a little cable is connected,

653
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,800
and through a vein it reaches what is the interior of the heart,

654
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,800
and if there is a cardiac arrest, it is detected in 3 seconds or 4 seconds,

655
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,800
and an electrical discharge is given to you.

656
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,800
It is like having a defibrillator integrated into your body.

657
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,800
In fact, this device, which is implantable,

658
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,800
is obviously internal, it was born because a doctor had a friend

659
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,800
who frequently had arrhythmia,

660
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,800
and every now and then emergencies arrived to defibrillate it,

661
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,800
defibrillate it, and he said,

662
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,800
how about if we invent something that brings it,

663
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,800
that detects arrhythmia and that gives it the discharge,

664
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,800
and if in the first discharge it does not revive,

665
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,800
it gives it another discharge until the cardiac rhythm is restored,

666
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,800
then there was born the concept of this type of defibrillator.

667
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,800
And that, if you are a candidate, you can know that by going with your cardiologist.

668
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,800
Of course.

669
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,800
Does insurance cover that?

670
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,800
I don't know if in social insurance at a public level,

671
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,800
but private medical insurance also covers that?

672
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,800
Yes.

673
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,800
Yes, yes, it covers it.

674
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,800
If you have a genetic study that proves that you have that gene,

675
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,800
you have a relative who has already had the problem,

676
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,800
yes or yes, it covers the procedure.

677
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,800
And in social insurance, how are things at a public level?

678
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,800
There, yes, I would not know how to tell you.

679
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,800
There, you know something, I would not know how to tell you.

680
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,800
Yes, I know, but I don't want to get into that much.

681
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,800
Let's get away from it.

682
00:35:53,800 --> 00:36:00,800
What we do know is that it can be implanted in all public health institutions,

683
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,800
in social insurance, in the ICT, yes, it can be.

684
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:04,800
It can be.

685
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,800
But already from her that it is available.

686
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,800
Yes, it is available.

687
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,800
Yes, no, you go to the waiting list.

688
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,800
Hey, let's go to the subject of food, doctor,

689
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,800
because you are passionate about food.

690
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,800
You spoke, the genetic study serves us for something.

691
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:17,800
It is in saliva.

692
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,800
Something very cool is that it is in saliva.

693
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,800
It is very easy.

694
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,800
The genetic study is in saliva, literally.

695
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,800
Ah, it is in saliva only.

696
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,800
Literally, you spit in a tube and it's over.

697
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,800
And where can you do that genetic study?

698
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,800
Look, right now we leave my data, this is what they are going to do with me.

699
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,800
We have an office here in Guadalajara.

700
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:33,800
Give me your data.

701
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,800
Also in Hermosillo, we have offices, but at all,

702
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,800
I mean, nationally, throughout the Republic, we send the kits,

703
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,800
we teach them how to do it, that is, how easy it is,

704
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,800
they can do it at home and we collect the test and then we send it to the process.

705
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:47,800
How much does the genetic study cost?

706
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,800
Like $700, the one on this panel, more or less.

707
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,800
$700, that is, it is a study.

708
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,800
It is done once in a lifetime, but let's see, Marco,

709
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:00,800
if your young father died, you have to take a step back.

710
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,800
And if I have this gene, which I already know that if I do have it, it will happen to me,

711
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:05,800
because it will happen to you.

712
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,800
Does the insurance cover it?

713
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,800
Yes.

714
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,800
The private medical expenses insurance, the higher one, covers it.

715
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,800
Well, it depends, because there are different types of insurance,

716
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,800
but a good medical expenses insurance, if you check with your genetic study,

717
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,800
that is, if it comes out positive, it will cover it.

718
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,800
I mean, it will not prepay you, oh, I want to do it because my father died.

719
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,800
But if you already did it and it comes out positive, then they can pay you back.

720
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,800
But not all insurance companies.

721
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,800
It is not cheap, but it is an investment.

722
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,800
Well, it is a life saving, right?

723
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,800
It is a life saver, right?

724
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:34,800
It can save your life.

725
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,800
But that is why it is precision medicine or personalized,

726
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,800
the more you know about yourself, the more ground you have to prevent.

727
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,800
It is not that you are going to do it to everyone,

728
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,800
because you are personalized, according to your characteristics,

729
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,800
you are or are not a candidate for the study.

730
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,800
And if I do not have anyone in my family who has had a sudden heart attack.

731
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,800
You do not have to invest in this, exactly.

732
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,800
What am I going to do?

733
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,800
There are many types of genetic studies, but in this one,

734
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,800
especially today's topic, it is precisely for those who have a history

735
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,800
of sudden death in their family.

736
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,800
Grandparents, parents, or also uncles, cousins.

737
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,800
If it is young, I would say that if he died young, sudden death less than 35 years,

738
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,800
even if it is your uncle, I would do it.

739
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,800
Yes, in fact, there are already studies in which they have caught 1000 to 1500 people

740
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,800
from different generations with sudden death at an early age.

741
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,800
1500 to 2000, they go to the genealogical tree

742
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,800
and they are deglossing them, who have died, and it is precisely for that gene.

743
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,800
So you have to go with the cardiologist,

744
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,800
the path literally begins there, your general doctor,

745
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,800
then the general doctor can go to the cardiologist,

746
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,800
and the cardiologist can already explore that.

747
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,800
You do the test and then if you come out positive,

748
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,800
then you are a defibrillator, because you do not know what it is,

749
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,800
now it is your lifeguard.

750
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,800
Of course, and that is very interesting and very important

751
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,800
because if we have someone in the family who has this condition,

752
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,800
it does not happen to them, we already know where we are going,

753
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,800
besides going to take our course, if we do not have the defibrillator,

754
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,800
to be able to do this resurrection.

755
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,800
Now, we have a few minutes before the program is closed for Telefórmula.

756
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,800
Doctor, what role does food play?

757
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,800
Because this surgery that the doctor was talking about,

758
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,800
excuse my ignorance, where they remove a vein from the leg

759
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,800
and replace it in the... how is that thing?

760
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,800
That is something totally different.

761
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,800
But it is because a vein is covered, right?

762
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,800
That is another issue, that is not a sudden heart attack.

763
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,800
Yes, when a artery is covered and it does not give blood to the heart muscle,

764
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,800
the blood carries nutrients, it carries oxygen,

765
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,800
you can have arrhythmia.

766
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:31,800
Of course.

767
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,800
First you have to save yourself.

768
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,800
Of course.

769
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,800
And then they study you, if you have many coronary arteries,

770
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,800
that's what it's called, because they crown the heart,

771
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,800
as if it were my fist, this is not coronary arteries,

772
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,800
if you have many, you can be a candidate for heart surgery.

773
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,800
Ok, what does food have to do with a sudden heart attack

774
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,800
or with this condition that the doctor is talking about?

775
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,800
Well, look, I think we all know,

776
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,800
we know the term that we have to eat balanced, right?

777
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,800
I don't want to dig too deep there because we all know that fruits, vegetables,

778
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,800
rather, we have to avoid, what things do we have to avoid?

779
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,800
Processed food, which many people say, well processed, what does that mean?

780
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,800
Everything that is packed in cans, in boxes, with preservatives,

781
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,800
has monosodium glutamate, among a thousand more preservatives

782
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,800
that make your body have much higher levels of sodium,

783
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,800
which can lead to your blood pressure being above where it should be

784
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,800
and hence the waterfall, right?

785
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,800
The waterfall of, well, hypertension leads you to greater blood pressure

786
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,800
and obviously it can lead to a heart attack.

787
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,800
I imagine that especially the ultra-processed ones.

788
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,800
Yes, but something that I still see more in my practice,

789
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,800
which is very fashionable and has always been fashionable,

790
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,800
is everything that causes heart attacks,

791
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,800
among them, for example, many supplements that there are,

792
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,800
that many people take, that they don't know,

793
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,800
that they have green tea, taurine, caffeine,

794
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,800
that they take it to go to the gym, imagine, right?

795
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,800
So you have this predisposition, you take a stimulant,

796
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,800
you go to the gym, you put your heart,

797
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,800
then you imagine two plus two, it's four, right?

798
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,800
So I always focus a lot on that, what are you taking,

799
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,800
what supplements are you taking, be careful with this,

800
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:17,800
with, there are even drinks, commercial drinks that create stimulation.

801
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,800
There are substances that were previously sold to go to the gym

802
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,800
and now they are banned, I don't remember what the name is,

803
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,800
but I came to take it and people died of heart attacks

804
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,800
and they banned it and when I saw that I said,

805
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,800
I don't remember what the effect was.

806
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,800
Senadrin, it wasn't one of those.

807
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,800
I think it was called fat burners.

808
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:38,800
All those fat burners have, in general, substances that alter heart rate.

809
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,800
And also the pills for weight loss, all the pills for weight loss

810
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,800
that are not approved by the FDA, that you can't buy with medical prescription,

811
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,800
that are, that your neighbor sold it to you, your aunt, your grandmother,

812
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,800
you know, that circulate in the black market,

813
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,800
many times they are amphetamines and with other substances.

814
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,800
Wow, so it's very dangerous to be taking, and I say it with all due respect,

815
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,800
not all, but some gym trainers, some and the sub-race,

816
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,800
they are out there, reciting a lot of things as if they were nutritionists or experts.

817
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,800
And yes, it helps you lose weight, but it can cause a cardiac arrest.

818
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:12,800
Exactly.

819
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,800
It's very hard.

820
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,800
We are going to stay for radio formula, we still have another half hour,

821
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,800
but we are going to say goodbye to the people who are watching us on Telefórmula.

822
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,800
They are going to stay with Maxine Goodside in the next segment,

823
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,800
but where can they locate you, the people who want to do that genetic test, doctor?

824
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:27,800
In the whole republic.

825
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,800
Okay, I'll pass you my Instagram, I think it's the easiest place where you can find me,

826
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:39,800
it's this Gaby with Y, Tortosa, T-O-R-T-O-S-A, Gaby Tortosa, M-C-C, Mac, Gaby Tortosa Mac.

827
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,800
And the exam can be paid with a credit card, in fact.

828
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,800
We have all the forms of payment.

829
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,800
Do you have small payments?

830
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,800
That one no, but there we see how we can help you, according to the case.

831
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,800
In one way or another, you can work with people.

832
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,800
Doctor, where can you find people who say,

833
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,800
I want an excellent cardiologist, you are a cardiology team in Guadalajara?

834
00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:59,800
Yes.

835
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:00,800
Where can they locate you?

836
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,800
It's called CETEN Center Specialized in Endovascular Therapy,

837
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,800
on the website, there you can find me.

838
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,800
Okay, thank you Telefórmula, we'll be back in half an hour on Radio Fórmula,

839
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,800
we'll continue from Guadalajara, Guadalajara, I doubt it.

840
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:13,800
See you.

841
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,800
Thank you.

842
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,800
Go ahead.

843
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,800
Continue the conversation with Marco Antonio Regil in Fórmula.

844
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:27,800
In Guadalajara, Guadalajara, from the beautiful facilities of the UDG,

845
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,800
Dr. Efraín Gagiola is with us,

846
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,800
cardiologist, member of the Mexican Society of Cardiology,

847
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,800
and Dr. Gabriela Tortosa, surgeon with a Master's in Nutrition

848
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,800
and expert in genetic exams that can detect the propension to sudden death.

849
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,800
The issue remained pending and I would not like us to leave it like this,

850
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,800
nothing more, the issue of what we all know, it's obvious,

851
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,800
we all know, eat fruits and vegetables, eat whole foods, eat fiber,

852
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,800
but what is it, doctor, can we underline a little more,

853
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,800
what is it that we should avoid?

854
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,800
I told the doctor that I have many friends who have Mexican companies,

855
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,800
Mexican enterprises, who are making a huge effort to produce products

856
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,800
that are obviously processed but are much healthier,

857
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:17,800
and they tell me, hey, it's not fair that they put my Quinoa integral cookie,

858
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,800
which almost has no preservatives, everything,

859
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,800
that they confuse me with the one that they put the same ones on,

860
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:30,800
and that they put it in the blender of the little cake with cream and sugar and candy,

861
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:36,800
or in a ham, in a sausage, it's not the same processed as ultra-processed, doctor.

862
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,800
Definitely it's not, and that's where it's good that you make that clarification,

863
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,800
because processed can be a corn tortilla, for example,

864
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,800
a tortilla and that's not satanized, right?

865
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,800
But basically the ultra-processed, there would be, for example,

866
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,800
that they put a lot of chemicals, softeners and preservatives,

867
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,800
that are really harmful to health, you eat it and in your body there is a boom,

868
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,800
an inflammation alert, that is, it has to make an effort,

869
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,800
quite important to get rid of that, right?

870
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,800
And all the fast food also comes in there, for example,

871
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,800
everything that is like, as I always say, like fried dough.

872
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,800
Fried dough would be maybe one of the best examples,

873
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,800
for, that is, in fried dough the donuts come in,

874
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,800
for example, what other things come in, churros,

875
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,800
like all that type of carbohydrates with fats, potatoes, all the potatoes,

876
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,800
and the toasts, the sausages, like that, and all the, uh-huh, and the sausages.

877
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,800
I think that would be like the group, and let's not talk about fast food chains,

878
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,800
that most, for the same reason, are fast,

879
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,800
so they also use, well, fats, they are like soap bars, they seem like that, right?

880
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,800
Of a fat, totally, as I say, that not even flies stop, I don't know,

881
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,800
you grab those soap bars where nothing organic grows in them,

882
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,800
I don't know, I mean, they don't decompose, I don't know if I'm going to understand.

883
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,800
No, you make yourself understood perfectly, and by the way I was watching a documentary,

884
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,800
I don't remember the name right now, where they were talking about how in the first world countries,

885
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,800
basically Europeans, in the United States, in Canada, I don't know, Norway, Finland,

886
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,800
the fast food consumption is going up, because people are already gaining consciousness,

887
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,800
but where are fast food chains focusing?

888
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,800
In Latin America, in the Arab countries, in the Asian countries,

889
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,800
where we still don't gain that level of consciousness,

890
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,800
and where they go, obesity grows, cardiovascular problems,

891
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,800
chronic diseases, degenerative diseases, diabetes, and that costs,

892
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,800
which is the part that I just didn't understand, how the government doesn't get harder,

893
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,800
because it costs a lot of money for the government to be cleaning the garbage

894
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,800
that fast food leaves, ultra-processed.

895
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,800
Definitely, we are almost at 70% of diabetes in Mexico,

896
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,800
above 40 years, I, almost all the patients above 40 years,

897
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,800
I do tests of hemoglobin, glucose, glucose, insulin, they come out,

898
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,800
with signs that they are going there, that they are already knocking on the door to diabetes.

899
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,800
And it takes money for education, it takes money for security,

900
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,800
it takes money for a lot of things, and a money is going to be spent on solving

901
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,800
bad food that destroys everyone's lives, and our taxes are being eaten.

902
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,800
Exactly, you said it.

903
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,800
Well, we are going to... that topic we leave to Ciro Gomez Leyva,

904
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,800
and Joaquín López, sorry, we gave him a big laugh,

905
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,800
but that's not a topic of a political party, it's a topic of all political parties.

906
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,800
But doctor, in the court you mentioned that the way of cooking,

907
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,800
there are also strong dangers, that we could improve, that are easy to change.

908
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,800
Yes, we were talking about the Mexican, well, we all love frittangas,

909
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,800
you go to a restaurant, they have a pot with oil or butter,

910
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,800
and they put the quesadilla there, they take it out,

911
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,800
the problem is that after the day is over, they keep it,

912
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,800
and the next day they put it back in the pan or the pot,

913
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,800
and they reheat it again, and this is really a time bomb,

914
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,800
as far as damage to the food.

915
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:04,800
You don't recommend that.

916
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:05,800
Not at all.

917
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,800
So we have to take it out of love, because you can eat delicious food,

918
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:14,800
and we can bake, or one thing is to fry, and another thing is to put butter or oil in it.

919
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:15,800
Totally.

920
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,800
Butter, why do we want to use pork butter?

921
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,800
Or yes, what does a cardiologist say, an expert on pork butter?

922
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,800
Well, I think we have very good alternatives,

923
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,800
olive oil, I think there is really not much point of discussion,

924
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:34,800
which is what you have to use, if we want to eat a fish, a meat,

925
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:35,800
well, to the grill, simply.

926
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,800
And note, Mado, not to use the oil like that, that is boiling,

927
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,800
even if it is at home, that you are not in fast food,

928
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,800
the same olive oil, whatever, but not to cook, so that smoke comes out,

929
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:53,800
that you can hear, that is, that the fire is at half, half low,

930
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,800
but that it never burns, that it, you know, that it...

931
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,800
Yes, and you get used to it, and the palate gets used to it,

932
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,800
because when you stop eating super fried things,

933
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,800
at the time your palate, I say it from my own experience,

934
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,800
you give me something already full of oil or with butter,

935
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,800
well, I would reject it, but before, it was the only life I knew.

936
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,800
The beans, now, a plate of beans from the pot,

937
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,800
that are not fried or anything, with avocado, onion, cilantro,

938
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,800
tortillas, whole rice, hey, it's a delight,

939
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,800
but you have to change your palate.

940
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,800
As they say, as in my ranch, beans in water and salt.

941
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,800
Of course, hey, nopalito, yes, yes, very rich.

942
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,800
Hey, well, I think one of the great opportunities

943
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,800
that we have as Mexicans is to learn these things

944
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,800
that I ask myself, like many, why don't they teach us this in school?

945
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,800
They teach us a lot of valuable things and others that I will question

946
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,800
how valuable they are, because you just learn them from memory

947
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,800
for the exam and you never use them again in your life, right?

948
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,800
But they could not teach us tools that really

949
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,800
would affect us more and better in our lives.

950
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,800
I think there is an opportunity, a very big educational reform

951
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,800
that should include nutrition, the lifestyle, right?

952
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,800
It would not be a... So, well, to talk about that,

953
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,800
to talk about what your point of view is and what the UDG is doing,

954
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,800
a round of applause for the UDG, who is our host.

955
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,800
Today, here in Guadalajara, Guadalajara,

956
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,800
we have the pleasure of welcoming, or rather, he welcomes us

957
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,800
because we are at the university,

958
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,800
he welcomes us to the UDG director, Ricardo Villanueva Lomeli,

959
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,800
I ask you for a round of applause for him who is with us.

960
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,800
Look, look, second consecutive year,

961
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,800
we started to investigate, director, and I said,

962
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,800
let's see how good the director is.

963
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,800
Second consecutive year as the best evaluated director

964
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,800
in all of Mexico, in 23 and 24, he was recognized

965
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,800
by the Campaigns and Elections Mexico magazine

966
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,800
as the best evaluated director at a national level.

967
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,800
It's him, it's him.

968
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,800
Perfect, very good.

969
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,800
A whole star of the directors.

970
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,800
No, on the contrary.

971
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,800
You won the Super Bowl of the directors.

972
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,800
It's like the Super Bowl, yes.

973
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,800
The worst thing is that I'm going to San Francisco,

974
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,800
veins, Marc Antonio.

975
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:12,800
I also suffered with you.

976
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,800
I suffered with you.

977
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,800
It's my team all my life, right?

978
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,800
I was touched by the time of Joe Montana and that,

979
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,800
so I'm still sensitive, Marc Antonio.

980
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,800
I won't mention the Super Bowl.

981
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,800
Imagine that you are the boyfriend of Taylor Swift.

982
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,800
Well, that would be good.

983
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,800
I'm going to imagine that today.

984
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,800
Ricardo, the UDG, I know that it's doing

985
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,800
incredible things for health.

986
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,800
It's the university, tell me if I'm right,

987
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,800
the UDG is the university that generates

988
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,800
more green energy in the country.

989
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:43,800
Yes.

990
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,800
It's correct.

991
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,800
They are doing wonderful things.

992
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,800
What role does education play in the change

993
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,800
of habits that can lead us to a healthier life?

994
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,800
Well, I think everything.

995
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,800
I've always said, and I've repeated it a thousand times,

996
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,800
that universities are much more than a

997
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,800
living room, a bathroom and a teacher, right?

998
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,800
In universities we train human beings.

999
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,800
That's the first thing to understand,

1000
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,800
not only professionals.

1001
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,800
In the French Revolution period,

1002
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,800
it was understood that universities

1003
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,800
trained citizens before professionals.

1004
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,800
What I've said is that here we have to understand

1005
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,800
that we train human beings,

1006
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,800
and that means a full-time training.

1007
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,800
So, since I became rector, we've been doing

1008
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,800
a re-engineering and we opened an area

1009
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,800
that doesn't exist in the university

1010
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,800
called the full-time training coordination.

1011
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,800
We are dedicated to doing things outside the classroom.

1012
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,800
There is an academic process,

1013
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,800
the curriculum that happens in the classroom,

1014
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,800
and that is an academic process

1015
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,800
that we have been doing for 230 years

1016
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,800
at the university.

1017
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,800
But there is a process outside the classroom

1018
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,800
that is also our responsibility, right?

1019
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,800
And that's where culture, sport,

1020
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,800
and all kinds of activities come in.

1021
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,800
They are involving nutrition.

1022
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,800
Nutrition, without a doubt.

1023
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,800
And well, I've always been a promoter.

1024
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,800
I was once secretary of finances at Jalisco.

1025
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,800
And I said that if we invested in paying

1026
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,800
for children's food in schools,

1027
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,800
in 50 or 100 years it would be cheaper

1028
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,800
than what we do by paying for hypertension,

1029
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,800
diabetes, and all the consequences of health,

1030
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,800
of kidney failure, and of everything that happens

1031
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,800
40 years later for not eating well.

1032
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,800
So, not only... and I've done some financial studies

1033
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,800
of the cost of the Mexican state in all that

1034
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,800
against the cost that would be if in all-time schools

1035
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,800
we gave food, not only taught to eat.

1036
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,800
It would be cheaper even if we gave food, right?

1037
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,800
Because there we would not only teach,

1038
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,800
we would force healthy food, right?

1039
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,800
And economically, a school that has an extended

1040
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,800
day in the primary school,

1041
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,800
recovers half of the population,

1042
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,800
which unfortunately are women generally,

1043
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,800
because of the machismo that we live,

1044
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,800
which are the ones that...

1045
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,800
it seems that children are from women, not from men,

1046
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,800
who take care of them.

1047
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,800
If we release a full day for the children

1048
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,800
to go to school for more than 8 hours,

1049
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,800
we recover half of the population,

1050
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,800
which could have a professional activity

1051
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,800
instead of taking care of the children.

1052
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,800
So, a policy of a school with an extended

1053
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,800
day in the primary school, in the secondary school,

1054
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,800
could generate a food plan where the children

1055
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,800
would learn to grab the love of rice and avocado

1056
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,800
in the primary school, right?

1057
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,800
And that, indeed, we would educate the food plan

1058
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,800
from before, and that would be cheaper.

1059
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,800
And change, let's take a little break,

1060
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,800
we'll return to our last segment,

1061
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,800
but if you throw yourself into politics,

1062
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,800
I vote for you.

1063
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,800
Right? Because nobody has to talk about that

1064
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,800
in political campaigns, in nutrition and education,

1065
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,800
in forming habits.

1066
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,800
We'll be back after a break, when we return

1067
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,800
we'll continue talking with the UDG rector

1068
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,800
and our cardiologists from Guadalajara.

1069
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,800
See you later.

1070
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,800
Alímate.

1071
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,800
Make podcasts easily.

1072
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,800
Alímate.

1073
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,800
Continue the conversation with Marco Antonio Regil

1074
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,800
in Fórmula.

1075
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,800
Come on, here we are in Guadalajara,

1076
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,800
Guadalajara, the UDG.

1077
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,800
Today's question, the confessional,

1078
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,800
today we open in MarcoAntonioRegil.com

1079
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,800
Diagonal Fórmula.

1080
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,800
64% of the people said that

1081
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,800
they do know someone who has suffered

1082
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,800
a sudden heart attack.

1083
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,800
27% said no, and 9%

1084
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,800
had never heard of

1085
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,800
a sudden heart attack.

1086
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,800
So, we'll close that conversation there.

1087
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,800
He's with us here from the UDG,

1088
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,800
Dr. Efraín Gagiolo, cardiologist,

1089
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,800
member of the Mexican Society of Cardiology,

1090
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,800
interventionist, Dr. Gabriela Tortosa,

1091
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,800
surgeon with a master's degree in nutrition

1092
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,800
and expert in genetic tests

1093
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,800
that can help you prevent, well,

1094
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,800
to know if you are prone

1095
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,800
to a sudden heart attack.

1096
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,800
And the UDG rector,

1097
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,800
Ricardo Villanueva Lomeli,

1098
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,800
evaluated as the best rector

1099
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,800
in two consecutive years

1100
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,800
throughout Mexico.

1101
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,800
And we were talking about a very important topic.

1102
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,800
To me, well, tell me if I'm the only one.

1103
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,800
I know there are important issues

1104
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,800
in the country.

1105
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,800
Right now we're in the election year, very important.

1106
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,800
I mean, we're talking about insecurity,

1107
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,800
and the economy, and the reforms to the Constitution.

1108
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,800
Very important.

1109
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,800
But I, as a Mexican citizen,

1110
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,800
am very frustrated that the issue of

1111
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,800
food, prevention of diseases,

1112
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,800
and food and physical health

1113
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,800
is not being discussed.

1114
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,800
Nobody is discussing it.

1115
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,800
I've never heard of

1116
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,800
even the topic being discussed.

1117
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,800
And it costs millions of pesos.

1118
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,800
And as the rector said,

1119
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,800
it would be cheaper for us to learn

1120
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,800
from children to eat healthy,

1121
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,800
to subsidize unprocessed food,

1122
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,800
and to give this education.

1123
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,800
Why is it like the elephant

1124
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,800
sitting in the room

1125
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,800
and nobody talks about it?

1126
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,800
Why? Rector, tell me.

1127
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,800
Unfortunately,

1128
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,800
there is a lack of long-term planning

1129
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,800
in Mexico.

1130
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,800
I mean, I think we plan everything

1131
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,800
in the short term.

1132
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,800
I mean, I see in the first world countries,

1133
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,800
when an mayor arrives,

1134
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,800
you know which streets are going to continue,

1135
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,800
which highway is going to continue,

1136
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,800
and you just execute it.

1137
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,800
Here we have very short-term planning.

1138
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,800
So, indeed, these structural, financial issues

1139
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,800
need to be seen in the long term.

1140
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,800
And yes, unfortunately,

1141
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,800
there are politicians who don't have long-term vision.

1142
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,800
I do believe that, even financially,

1143
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,800
in 50 years we would start saving money

1144
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,800
if we do politics from the primaries.

1145
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,800
That's the answer.

1146
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,800
And what I was saying,

1147
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,800
the strongest thing is that if women

1148
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,800
could leave their children, and men,

1149
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,800
because we have to be responsible for men

1150
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,800
as well as our children,

1151
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,800
in a school, to recover all that

1152
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,800
power of work,

1153
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,800
that work force that exists,

1154
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,800
but if women or men could

1155
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,800
stay and make healthy food

1156
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,800
to help the family,

1157
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,800
some members of the family stay

1158
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,800
to help them and not have to buy

1159
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,800
processed products, that would help.

1160
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,800
So, having a school with an extended schedule

1161
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,800
allows that in schools

1162
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,800
physical education is given

1163
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,800
every day,

1164
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,800
you can go beyond the academic supply.

1165
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,800
What you were saying,

1166
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,800
what are we teaching?

1167
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,800
The square root, I could have tried math

1168
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,800
in the prepa, but I don't know the square root.

1169
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,800
Every year I ask my students,

1170
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,800
I teach social theory,

1171
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,800
does anyone know what the square root is for?

1172
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,800
I've never found anyone who can tell me what it is for.

1173
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,800
The perfect square root.

1174
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,800
They tried it several times.

1175
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,800
Sometimes we were teaching things that

1176
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,800
are not bad to teach in the square root,

1177
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,800
that's what we have to teach, what is bad is not to say what it is for.

1178
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,800
The knowledge should be

1179
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,800
accompanied with the use.

1180
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,800
Nutrition should

1181
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,800
be something that should be

1182
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,800
taught, that is so important for life.

1183
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,800
A more practical education,

1184
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,800
but I hope the rector gave us the answer,

1185
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,800
because my question was, and I'm not talking about a political party,

1186
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,800
my question as a Mexican is

1187
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,800
why does not any political party talk about this?

1188
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,800
Because it is a plan

1189
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,800
that will be effective

1190
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,800
in decades, and what politicians want

1191
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,800
is to show something that can be effective

1192
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,800
immediately.

1193
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,800
The campaigns are sometimes emotional,

1194
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,800
people vote for emotions, not for reasoning,

1195
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,800
and that has to be changed.

1196
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,800
But we have to start reasoning,

1197
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,800
not to get emotional with the vote.

1198
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,800
Doctor, what were you going to say?

1199
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,800
I was going to say about the exercise, which is the same in schools,

1200
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,800
for example, I don't know why it happens,

1201
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,800
I remember in my time, well I am 48,

1202
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,800
but in my time, physical education was

1203
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,800
many days a week, I see that every time they are reducing it,

1204
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,800
and there are schools that have one day a week,

1205
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,800
others once every 15 days.

1206
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,800
It should be daily.

1207
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,800
It should be daily, rigorous,

1208
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,800
because it goes hand in hand, food, exercise, prevention.

1209
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,800
And physical education, not just

1210
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,800
military education,

1211
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,800
taking distance, step over step,

1212
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,800
different sports,

1213
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,800
but if you

1214
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,800
mold a child, a child is plasticine,

1215
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,800
if you mold him to eat well, to exercise,

1216
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,800
what will happen as an adult,

1217
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,800
he will go as a soldier on the right path.

1218
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,800
And physical education should include

1219
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,800
heart education, cardiovascular education,

1220
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,800
building of muscle mass,

1221
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,800
reduction of body fat,

1222
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,800
and emotional education too, and emotional.

1223
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,800
Because that is the most important.

1224
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,800
And financial education, those are other topics,

1225
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,800
but just in the beginning,

1226
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,800
physical education, not just step over step.

1227
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,800
That's right.

1228
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,800
Here I would like to make a comment,

1229
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,800
two, one,

1230
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,800
of what our rector was doing,

1231
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,800
is that

1232
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,800
those long-term plans,

1233
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,800
the problem is that in Mexico

1234
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,800
there is no continuity, there is change

1235
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,800
of government, and whoever arrives

1236
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,800
takes everything that was.

1237
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,800
Second, the future, obviously,

1238
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,800
is childhood.

1239
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,800
If children learn

1240
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,800
to exercise, to eat healthy,

1241
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,800
they will grow, and when they are

1242
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,800
parents, that will be transmitted

1243
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,800
to their children.

1244
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,800
And it is,

1245
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,800
I never saw a woman

1246
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driving with a child,

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crossing in the middle of an avenue,

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dragging the child and

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pulling out the cars. So I told my children,

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when these children grow up,

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they will do exactly the same

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when they are parents, to cross the street.

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Why? Because they don't have education.

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But if they receive it, as Dr. Gaby said,

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when they are parents,

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they will transmit that knowledge,

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that culture of exercise,

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of feeding,

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of caring.

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Yes, and a human being,

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my dream would be to see a Mexico,

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Mexico is a rich country,

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what I think is that wealth does not reach all levels.

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To have wealth at all levels,

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we would have to have healthy Mexicans.

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01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,800
How can you ask a person

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who has been poorly fed

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for generations,

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you are the fourth, fifth, seventh generation

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that developed

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with low quality food,

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that did not exercise,

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how are you going to ask them to do their best

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01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,800
and to reach their maximum potential

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01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,800
if we have not taught them

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01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,800
to live healthy?

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01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,800
What kind of employee will it be?

1278
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,800
What kind of entrepreneur can it be?

1279
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,800
What kind of professional can it be? What kind of politician?

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01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,800
If the body is not well,

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the rest will not work,

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we will not achieve our dreams like that.

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01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,800
Totally. And it is that we have become obsessed

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with specialization, what the doctor said is true.

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01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,800
We have been removing

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01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,800
from education basic subjects

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such as civics,

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01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,800
Greek-Roman etymologies that were very useful to understand the language,

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01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,800
things that were very basic knowledge

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01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,800
because of that obsession

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01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,800
with specialization.

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01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,800
So we have been changing the study plans to put

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01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,800
mathematics, physics, chemistry, specialization.

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01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,800
So that is a mistake

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01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,800
that I recognize in universities and we have forgotten

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01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,800
about the human.

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01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,800
That is, because of that obsession with science,

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01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,800
technology, technological advancement,

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01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,800
we have been believing that the important thing is the square root

1300
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,800
and not nutrition.

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01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,800
So we have to make reforms

1302
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,800
to the study plans

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01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,800
to return to the basics.

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01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,800
When things get so complicated, we have to return

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01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,800
to the basics again.

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01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,800
Well, thank you very much for having us here at the UDG.

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01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,800
Let's give a round of applause to the rector Ricardo

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01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,800
Villanueva.

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01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,800
Thank you very much. We hope to return

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01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,800
to Dr. Gabriela Tortosa.

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01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,800
And repeat where you are for the genetic test, please.

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01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,800
Oh, well, I send you my Instagram.

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01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,800
It's gaby with Y,

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01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,800
Tortosa, M.C.C.

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01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,800
Mac. Gabby, Tortosa,

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01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,800
Mac, M.C.C.

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01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,800
Let's give a round of applause to Dr. Gabriela Tortosa

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01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,800
and also to Dr. Ricardo Villanueva

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01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,800
Lomeli. If someone wants to

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01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,800
treat you or your cardiology team,

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01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,800
where can they find you?

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01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,800
CETEN,

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01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,800
Center Specialized in Vascular Therapy.

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01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,800
Go to the website.

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01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,800
There you will find everything.

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01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,800
All the specialties, sub-specialties.

1327
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,800
And I just want to close with a small

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01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,800
comment. I read

1329
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,800
a little while ago an editorial

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01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,800
where, particularly in medicine,

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01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,800
it's all technical,

1332
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,800
it's the specialty, but you forget

1333
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,800
the humanistic things,

1334
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,800
the things of psychology, emotional,

1335
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,800
which are very important for the patient.

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01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,800
And those are called filling materials.

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01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,800
They say, what's it going to serve me?

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01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,800
I prefer to have the last one.

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01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,800
It needs an education reform. It needs it.

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01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,800
Deep, deep. Friends, thank you. Tomorrow we will continue

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01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,800
transmitting from Guadalajara. We will be from the

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01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,800
Tequila Regulatory Council and tomorrow

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01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,800
we will talk about traditional

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01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,800
relationships. They are falling

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01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,800
and they will disappear or they still

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01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,800
have possibilities. And we will also

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01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,800
talk about polyamory. Is it an alternative

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01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,800
or is it pure warmth?

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01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,800
Tomorrow from Guadalajara.

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01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,800
Thank you, I'm Marco Antonio Reguilas. See you next time.

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01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,800
Thank you.

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