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Here we are ready to start this program, which we hope will be very useful for all of us.

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Because who hasn't felt guilty at any point?

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Feeling guilty about something.

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There is a female role that causes many guilt.

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The traditional female role.

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That is very well known.

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We have talked a lot about it and we will continue to talk about it today.

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But there is also a male role.

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The male role that causes many men and women problems.

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Today we will talk about how these traditional roles are not necessarily the best.

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And how we can turn the subject around.

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What happens when we feel guilty and stop being who we are?

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We stop expressing what we think.

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We stop living the way we really want to live.

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Simply to be accepted.

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To not be ridiculed.

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To not receive public humiliation for being different.

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Is it really the necessary guilt?

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Does it have any advantage?

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Many people say yes.

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That guilt is necessary because it helps us set limits.

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Well, today we will be talking about this very interesting topic.

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With the desire to grow and learn together.

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And achieve our maximum potential.

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And be as happy as possible with the psychologist Juan Antonio Barrera.

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Who will be with us.

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He is an expert psychologist, a doctor in human development.

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More than 30 years of experience.

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Attending patients in consultation.

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To tell us what is the guilt.

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Why do we feel it?

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If we learn it or are born with it.

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And how far can it serve us?

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And how far should we take it out?

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And we also invite our very dear friend.

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The psychologist Audrey Vera.

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Who is also a tanahtologist and an ontological coach.

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And she will teach us how to heal guilt and regret.

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To stop repressing our emotions.

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And we will talk about how when we repress our emotions.

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We get hurt.

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And in what areas it affects our lives.

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She will even teach us a beautiful exercise.

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To let go.

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To let go and start honoring who we really are.

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And to be happy is because freedom gives us happiness.

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And when we repress ourselves.

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Then we start to stop being who we are.

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To not live in an authentic way.

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And I think it is very important to learn to live in another way.

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Well, in today's confessional.

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We want to know what your opinion is.

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The question is if you go to marcoantoniorregil.com

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Diagonalfórmula.

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Then you can vote and tell us what you think.

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The question is.

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Does it give you guilt to show your emotions?

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Yes, no or sometimes?

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I repeat the confessional question.

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Does it give you guilt to show your emotions?

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Yes, no, sometimes.

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Go to marcoantoniorregil.com

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Diagonalfórmula.

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Also on my Instagram.

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Which is marcoantoniorregil.

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We started the conversation yesterday.

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And the yes goes at 23%.

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The no goes at 41%.

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And the sometimes goes at 35%.

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Look.

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From the people who answered yesterday on my Instagram.

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They tell us that if they feel guilty.

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To show their emotions.

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23% of the people.

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And 35% sometimes yes, sometimes no.

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41% says no.

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Well, then you can vote on my Instagram.

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Or you can go to marcoantoniorregil.com

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Diagonalfórmula to tell us what you think.

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And what you feel.

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So let's do an exploration.

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Today's program is dedicated to letting go of guilt.

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To letting go of repressions.

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To letting go of this need to fit in a mold.

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That sometimes can get us to put in the house.

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In the family, in the work, in the religion.

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With the partner.

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As long as we try to fit in.

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We are going to live repressing who we really are.

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And what I want for you, for me, for everyone.

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It is a full freedom.

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In which we can honor who we really are.

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So from the professional and psychological point of view.

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We are going to learn together.

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We return after a short break.

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I am Marco Antonio Regil.

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We are together here in formula.

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The experts.

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The experts tell us that everything is in the mind.

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If we bring a conflict, a traffic,

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a toxicity in our mind, then it begins to manifest in our

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lives.

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And that's why today we have invited Juan Antonio Barrera,

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who is a psychologist, a graduate of the Metropolitan Autonomous

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University, where he is also a master and a doctor in human

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development.

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And he has his radio program in the Imer, right?

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In the Imer.

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In the Imer, where he talks about psychology.

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And I want to ask you today, because the issue was pending

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last week.

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Yes, yes.

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The issue of guilt came out, but we barely touched it.

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Guilt plays a very important role in our lives,

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and especially in Latin American cultures,

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obviously, like Mexico.

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What is guilt?

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Guilt is an emotion.

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But it is a social emotion.

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So being a social emotion, we build it.

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You may feel guilty because you did something wrong or you stopped

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doing something.

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For example, when we do something wrong,

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imagine a traffic light, you pass the light that you shouldn't

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pass and you say, there are a number of laws,

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and I have already transgressed the law.

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Therefore, you could feel guilty,

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but also, there you go, Marco, you could not feel guilty.

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They are emotions.

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If I feel guilty, I could keep the emotion.

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Being part of the world of shame, guilt,

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then we can identify it as shame, remorse.

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And this will give us a very interesting pattern,

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in a semantic way, which is how we express our emotions.

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People could talk directly about guilt or not.

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So I return to the part of social construction.

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Who makes us feel guilty?

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Our parents, teachers, religion,

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people who feel that we do not follow a series of rules,

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that we do not jump, and then they will point that out.

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That's why it's part of the world of shame.

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This is described in a very interesting format, Eduardo

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Punset, in a book called The World of Emotions,

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and he talks about galaxies.

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Why is it important to understand the galaxy of shame?

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Because there are many ways to interpret shame.

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Within them is guilt.

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It's different if I say, hey, I regret such a thing I did.

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I have remorse for such an action.

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And remember that here it's because we stopped doing

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some activity or because we did it.

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When we stop doing it, it's called evil for inaction.

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You ask me for support.

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And I say, yes, count on me, there is Marco.

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And then you're waiting for support.

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And I don't give it to you, deliberately.

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Why could I act with evil, with inaction?

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Well, because I don't feel guilt or shame.

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Oh, I hope it doesn't hurt Marco.

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I don't care.

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And there are people who are like that.

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So it's called lexity.

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When I can't record my emotions, emotions

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are meant to be felt.

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If I perceive the emotion I have,

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can I give a shoulder to that emotion?

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Can I understand why that emotion is helping me?

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And then I can correct the course and return that traffic light.

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If in the traffic light I transgressed the law

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and I passed the traffic light, I say, no, I think I did wrong.

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So I need to recapitulate.

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I need to do things right.

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And whether through the church I go and apologize

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because I did something wrong, or I even apologize

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to a person, to the couple, to the children, to the family.

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And then I'm recognizing the fault.

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Or I pay my fine.

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Or you pay your fine.

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The police stops me.

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Of course.

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I pay my fine.

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You pay the fine.

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Sometimes you can pay it, and sometimes not.

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Because the fine comes here in the head.

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You are the one who can self-censure yourself or not.

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When you self-censure yourself, and when I'm even guilty,

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but I don't recognize it, I'm going to be suffering.

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I'm going to be saving the blame.

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So it has to do with the expression or not of the emotions.

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If I express emotions, maybe I'm going

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to feel a little less guilty.

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That is, Marco, if I didn't fulfill what I told you

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that I was going to help you, and I feel bad, I feel sad,

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I feel guilty.

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That is, an emotion is not going to be presented alone.

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It always comes paired with other emotions that can be

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completely different.

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I feel guilty, and then I'm crying.

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I'm asking you for forgiveness.

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I'm offering you an apology.

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People who don't feel guilty, they won't offer you any

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apology.

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They won't ask for forgiveness, and they will continue to do

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damage.

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We can find this type of people, both in psychopaths

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and in this.

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No, and then, it's very interesting,

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because normally in the context of personal growth,

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we talk about guilt as something that needs to be released,

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right?

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I feel guilty about having a certain body.

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I feel guilty.

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OK, that's very interesting.

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Sorry to interrupt you, Marco, because that's a disorder.

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Because that's the question.

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Sorry to interrupt you, just to close the question.

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We're going to feel guilty and we're going to interrupt you.

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I feel guilty to interrupt you.

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No, it's how far guilt can help me and where it starts not

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being healthy, which is where you were going.

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It's precisely when you become unhealthy,

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it becomes a disease.

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We can get sick from emotions.

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This one in a very particular way is called somatomorphic

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disorder.

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A somatomorphic disorder is, I feel bad, I feel sad,

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I feel guilty.

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Because I don't like my hair.

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There, guilt doesn't help at all.

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It doesn't help at all.

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I'm going to be carrying, I have hair like this.

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But how can I solve it by doing something dysfunctional?

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Maybe I don't like my skin color and then I start injecting,

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as happened with Michael Jackson,

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he had that, that somatomorphic disorder.

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He didn't like the parts of his body and then he started

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to pigment.

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Or I feel guilty about who I am.

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I feel guilty about this preference or this taste.

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Of course.

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For example, I don't have any religion.

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I grew up Catholic.

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But when I decided not to have a religion,

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that's another topic, I'm not going to divert it.

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But the most difficult thing was the guilt I felt because I felt

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that I was betraying the religion in which I grew up,

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betraying what my family told me,

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what I did to be a child priest.

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So I carried with a couple of years that it cost me to let go and

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I felt guilty.

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And that guilt didn't help me because I simply,

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in my conviction, in my heart, I didn't want to have any religion.

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I'm going to give you a way to solve it in advance.

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It's called resignification.

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And resignification means I'm going to use religion.

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Maybe I already renounced it, but I can give courses on religion

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where I can talk about different religions,

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where I can talk about religious precepts.

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That's a solution.

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It's a solution.

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I resignify a situation.

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How can I resignify and pay the guilt?

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OK.

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Since I was guilty of something, then now all of my family

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are invited on vacation, right?

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Why?

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Well, I'm going to buy them somehow.

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That is, you can buy this time giving a limousine or you can

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buy it.

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It's a complex and controversial issue, right?

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Because maybe some people are going to be scared.

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I'm just saying in the description of reality,

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the way we resignify a guilt.

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We resignify by praying more.

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We resignify by eating better.

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We resignify by getting along better with people or not

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committing the act that made me feel guilty at some point.

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Because I insist, it's a social emotion.

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And in that social emotion, depending also on how I describe

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the guilt, it's how I'm going to enter the therapeutic part

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to find a solution.

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If it's shame, for example, well,

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why did you feel ashamed?

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I think any of us has had an incident,

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maybe we're walking, we fall and people laugh at us,

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we feel ashamed.

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I feel guilty for going so fast.

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And then the question is that we are going to have different

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people, different institutions, of how they are observing

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our behavior.

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If we are socially desirable, then we are not going to be

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guilty.

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But we are going to be guilty if we are socially desirable and

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we make a mistake that people who are watching us are not going

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to charge.

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We have a couple of minutes left before we go to the court,

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but I want to underline the same question again.

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How far is guilt useful to us as an act of constriction,

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of conscience, I went too far, I transferred a person,

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and where is guilt already hurting me because I feel guilty

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that my parents have divorced, I feel guilty that my son is not

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doing well at school.

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It goes very fast because it's interesting, but it's complex,

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but the answer is very fast.

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If emotion dominates you, you already have a disease.

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If you resolve the emotion, then you can move on because the

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fact that you have changed religion or that you have made

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a mistake makes us human beings.

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Of course.

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And it makes us have the capacity to offer apologies.

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It's my freedom.

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It's your freedom.

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But if emotion dominates you, then that leads to a disease.

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It's simple, right?

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It's simple to talk about it, but very difficult to do.

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Because my point of view is that we all have the right to be

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who we are and the right to explore what we want to explore

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as long as we don't harm anyone.

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So that's when this guilt starts to work like a chain that

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doesn't allow me to be who I am.

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You can have a way in which others supervise you or how

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you supervise yourself.

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Maybe you are more rigid than others and even if you haven't

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done such a bad act, you can feel guilty for the rest of your

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life.

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So the sensor or maybe the censor that we all have, if it

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is very strict, of course it will make us feel uncomfortable

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because without an emotion it will reflect in the mind and in

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the body as well in physiological reactions in

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conductive ways of being able to act with respect to others.

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Very well.

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Let's take a break.

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When we come back we will continue talking about this

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important topic.

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I remember the first time I went to therapy, the psychiatrist

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at that time, Dr. Federico Puente,

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Marco Antonio told me, if you don't stop feeling guilty and

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responsible for what your mother went through,

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you will never be happy.

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And that was the beginning of a path of a lot of therapy and

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strong because it is the balance between caring and loving someone,

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which was my case, and at the same time feeling free.

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I couldn't go on vacation if I didn't take my mother because I

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felt guilty.

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How am I going to leave her?

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And I enjoying and she at home and no, no.

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Well, then that's why I went to therapy a lot.

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We will continue talking about guilt after a break.

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I am Marco Antonio Regil, we are together learning and

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growing in formula.

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We'll be right back.

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Connect and build through our conversation.

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Through our conversation.

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Through our.

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We return with Marco Antonio Regil in formula.

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And today's topic is guilt.

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We already learned today that guilt can be a certain form of

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conscience, of repentance, of realizing.

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And if I did something wrong, then it is convenient for me to feel guilty

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because I can go to rectify or not offend again,

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not break the rule that harms others.

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So far we are fine with the issue of guilt.

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But when guilt begins to hurt us at a physical,

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mental, emotional level, even repressing our happiness,

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repressing our career, repressing our path,

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our exploration in the spiritual world.

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In what moment does guilt become something that is not adding up?

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Today he is with us with Antonio Barrera,

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psychologist and graduate of the Metropolitan University of

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Metropolitan, where he is a teacher and he is noticeable because

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when he explains very well, the good thing is that he is not going to

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give me an exam, a doctorate in human development.

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I am surprised to see the difference in the votes because

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if I am going to call with AntonioRegil.com,

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where the question is, is it your fault to show your emotions?

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Most say no, it's not his fault.

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That is, he expresses himself without problems.

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But if I go, for example, to my threads account or Instagram,

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23% says yes, he feels guilty when he shows his emotions.

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And 27% says that sometimes, 50% says no.

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So the survey varies radically from one place to another.

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But hey, the concrete question is then,

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what kind of guilt is the one that hurts me and it is convenient for me

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to let go?

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Well, it's not that there is a special kind of guilt in my point of view.

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Or how do I identify the one that doesn't suit me?

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We already said that it can be somatized and it can be

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kept there in the body, right?

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And it becomes a disease.

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But the other one that I think is more serious is that you lose your identity.

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What does this mean?

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If an emotion repeats and repeats and repeats,

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not only is it controlling your life, but also your identity,

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then I'm going to say, hey, here comes Jose Antonio, my friend, the guilty one.

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Why?

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Because he ran over a puppy.

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Why?

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Because with an act that the person did, then I am tagging him.

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Tagging someone also means somehow punishing him.

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They say that between joke and joke, the truth is revealed.

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I'm not nobody to be, they put the tags on people.

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But then I already put a tag on him.

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How does that person take the tag off?

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How does he take it off and come back to reclaim his identity?

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He was talking about this re-signification.

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First, we need to think that we as human beings can make mistakes.

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Why?

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Because that's how we work.

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We are perfect.

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It's normal.

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It's normal.

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If I made a mistake in a relationship, I cheated,

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if I did an act that is indebted to others.

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I even have a sexual preference that others do not accept.

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What am I going to do?

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I'm going to resignify my life and I'm going to have to stop ignoring others.

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Why?

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Because it's my life, not the other's.

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I can offer apologies if I made a mistake.

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I can resume my life if I'm repressing it.

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I'm repressing it.

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Society can help me to have that level of repression.

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For example, homosexuality around 1940 was considered an illness.

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What was the cure?

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They took people to get electric shocks.

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It was the cure for anything.

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If you were depressed, you had an electric shock.

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Everything was with an electric shock.

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And of course, you were already out and you had a different personality.

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What was your personality?

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Or if your neurons burned, you were probably not the same anymore.

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Or the fear of being put in therapy again.

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Of course.

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I prefer to say that I am heterosexual to be electrocuted again.

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So it's interesting because an emotion can neutralize another emotion.

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If I feel guilty, shame, how can I neutralize that emotion?

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Let's say that in the part of shame I'm going to feel confident.

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Confident in saying who I am.

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Confident in that even if I have people around me who are going to say no,

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that it's not true, well, yes, it's my life, not the lives of other people.

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And I have to be very firm.

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I have to be very firm.

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I may need social support.

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Of course.

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I may need therapy.

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Well, that's a good thing.

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We all need therapy.

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We can need it.

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Learn to set limits.

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I have to set limits.

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And taking the example you just said,

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how many people have a different sexual preference and end up getting married.

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And having children.

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And having children.

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So they don't say.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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A friend two days ago sent me a message.

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Hey Marco, I think my boyfriend is gay.

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And so, but he doesn't tell me.

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I've already asked him.

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And he says, and he's gay, and he's with pure men and everything.

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I see him very male, but I say, well, there's the issue.

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We don't know if that's not.

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How do we solve it?

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It seems like something that has no solution.

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If I don't feel comfortable, if I don't trust the other person,

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well, we better leave it there.

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I mean, you can continue your life with whoever you feel comfortable with.

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I follow mine.

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From her point of view.

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Yes.

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From his point of view, assuming, well, we don't know.

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But let's suppose that he is gay and does not accept himself and is afraid.

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Precisely in a very conservative world of men and men, and strong men.

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That also gives you the guarantee of having contact with other men that you can see.

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Of course.

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Before you started the program, they were talking about American football.

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There are players who are gay and who like to be in that world.

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Why?

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Well, because they still see the other naked.

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Because you are living with people who like you.

524
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:19,720
You are in the buffet.

525
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,240
Well, who in their healthy judgment will want to quit if you have that preference?

526
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:23,480
Of course.

527
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,280
They are all valid.

528
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,120
And that is not the problem.

529
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:26,680
The problem is not accepting yourself.

530
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,400
That's right.

531
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,440
And because of that, lying to someone and pretending that you are heterosexual.

532
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,520
And here you have your double life.

533
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,320
And you realize that then you break with your identity.

534
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,320
That you are not really living your own identity.

535
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,760
That you can still become later on in an illness.

536
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:44,040
Yes.

537
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,120
What is going to be the disease?

538
00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:48,000
Well, maybe not even something so serious.

539
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,640
It hurts your head.

540
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,360
They are called conversion disorders.

541
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,160
When, son, I have to face something.

542
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,920
But I'm going to say that my head hurts and I don't face it anymore.

543
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:56,240
Of course.

544
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,160
Because I'm afraid.

545
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,400
Because I feel guilty for the reason you want.

546
00:23:59,400 --> 00:23:59,760
Yes.

547
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:06,480
So emotions are connected, our thoughts, the censorship that we have of others, of ourselves.

548
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,840
Jung spoke of the shadow.

549
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:09,760
And I can.

550
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:10,760
The dark side.

551
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:11,680
The dark side.

552
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,400
I can see someone who is guilty of something.

553
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,680
I'm going to make fun of that person.

554
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:21,200
Because I myself am avoiding my own guilt, my own shame.

555
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,360
Nothing more than I see it easier through the other.

556
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:24,320
It's called projection.

557
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:24,840
Of course.

558
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,000
I didn't comb my hair today.

559
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000
I tell you, Marco, you didn't comb your hair today.

560
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,440
In reality, I am the one who has combed my hair.

561
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:29,800
Of course.

562
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,160
And then the one who is blaming others can also be oneself.

563
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,000
But you do it through this projection.

564
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:35,280
Of course.

565
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,120
Just to blame others.

566
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,040
And that is the case of the charo.

567
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:39,240
Of course.

568
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,000
The courage I feel with myself.

569
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,520
That's right.

570
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,280
And since I don't approve and I feel guilty.

571
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,680
I see someone who reflects me and I send it to them.

572
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,280
So that's why, well, since you took the example of homosexuality,

573
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,720
that's why sometimes those who hate homosexuals the most,

574
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,600
those who speak worse than homosexuals,

575
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,520
those who attack and hit homosexuals in many cases.

576
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,040
Well, the question is that the solution would be not to work with that,

577
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,240
but with the homophobic.

578
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:02,640
No, of course.

579
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,600
But the point is that in many cases, following your example,

580
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,200
is that there is something inside you that is reflected.

581
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,520
I mean, it's that projection that you have and that you pass on to the other.

582
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,240
And that's why the solution is rather to work with the homophobic.

583
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:15,680
Of course.

584
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,680
More than in that sense with the community.

585
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:17,880
I mean.

586
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,200
And if you have homophobia, you should ask yourself.

587
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:20,960
Why?

588
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,160
Why do you have homophobia?

589
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,280
Why does it bother you so much?

590
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:23,680
Also.

591
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:24,800
What hits you, it hits you.

592
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:25,400
Yes, of course.

593
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,760
Which is also part of the reflections of Jonge.

594
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,640
It's what is not made aware becomes destiny.

595
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,840
It's what hits you, hits you, hits you, hits you.

596
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,600
I mean, it's that reflection.

597
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,000
Something that bothers me a lot in someone else.

598
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,240
You see it projected in the other.

599
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,480
It's a mirror at the end of the day.

600
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,040
That's right.

601
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,400
And also something that I like a lot in someone else.

602
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,960
It can be a mirror of something that lives inside of me.

603
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:46,640
That's right.

604
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,680
You can see it from both sides.

605
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:55,760
There is something called the threshold of misery that this is investigated since 1900, more or less.

606
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,000
And that threshold of misery has to do with pain.

607
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:05,120
I can see an event and for me it is insignificant or for me it is disabling.

608
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:06,680
What does this mean?

609
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,840
I can feel guilty and how I feel very guilty, I better not say it.

610
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,720
But as I feel a little bit, I will tell you, there is no problem.

611
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,080
Sure.

612
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,280
So it depends on each person too.

613
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,240
It depends on their threshold of pain, what they are going to feel guilty or not.

614
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,360
And how you can also deal with your guilt and your pain.

615
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:24,000
Exactly.

616
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,720
Well, the consequences of guilt are often emotional repression.

617
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,480
Of course.

618
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,360
You are saying it.

619
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:32,880
The next segment is going to join us with a dear friend, Audrey Rivera,

620
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,000
who is also a psychologist, a thanatologist,

621
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,200
and who is going to give us a little bit of information

622
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,720
about how guilt can affect, together with emotional repression,

623
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,200
in our long-term mental and physical health.

624
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,080
I mean, I live with guilt and I live repressing myself

625
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,880
and I don't allow myself, in a chronic way, to be who I am.

626
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,440
And I live pretending to fit in with what they will say and with what is approved.

627
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,760
Because we all want to belong to a social circle, to work, to family.

628
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:02,400
What happens?

629
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,720
How does it affect us in the long term?

630
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,320
And she is going to give us a very beautiful exercise to let go of guilt,

631
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,560
to let go of that emotional repression and to be able to acquire mental health.

632
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,960
That doesn't replace therapy.

633
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,960
You have to go to therapy.

634
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,920
But they are going to give us a very, very interesting exercise.

635
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,920
We continue with the conversation today dedicated to our dear, dear mind.

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653
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661
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We return with Marco Antonio Regil in formula.

662
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,640
Y estamos hablando hoy de la culpa y de la represión emocional.

663
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,680
¿Qué pasa cuando nos sentimos culpables de ser quienes somos?

664
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,600
O de preferir lo que preferimos.

665
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,480
O de querer tomar un camino alternativo,

666
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,040
que no es el que toma la mayor parte de la gente.

667
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,600
De ser la oveja negra.

668
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,680
Y que nos critiquen.

669
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,880
Y que nos digan.

670
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,200
Y caemos en el error, porque no sabemos o no tenemos el entrenamiento

671
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,520
adecuado, de cortar nuestras alas para tratar de encajar con los demás.

672
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,560
Para buscar la aprobación de alguien más.

673
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,520
Soy perro, pero me dicen, no, no, aquí los gatos son los que se aceptan.

674
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,160
OK, está bien, voy a maullar.

675
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,240
Pero soy perro.

676
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,760
Se suma la conversación nuestra querida Audrey Vera,

677
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,000
psicóloga y tanatóloga graduada del Instituto Universitario del Estado de

678
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,200
México, coach ontológica por la Universidad Ibero.

679
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,680
Y sigue con nosotros Juan Antonio Barrera,

680
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,600
psicólogo egresado de la Universidad Autónoma Metropolitana,

681
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,040
que además es profe y es doctor en desarrollo humano.

682
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,040
Y hoy no nos pone examen.

683
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,960
Eso que más gusto me da.

684
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,320
Audrey, bienvenida al programa.

685
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Muchas gracias.

686
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,400
Feliz de estar con ustedes.

687
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,000
Igual.

688
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,080
Qué tema tan interesante, ¿no?

689
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,360
¿Cuál es la conexión de la culpa y la represión emocional?

690
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,120
Y cómo nos afecta?

691
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,400
Hace ratito los escuchaba hablar como de esta culpa adaptativa y de la culpa que

692
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,160
no lo es.

693
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,840
Entonces, cuando nosotros reprimimos las emociones que tienen que ver con el

694
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,160
sentimiento de culpa, entonces hablamos de una desconexión.

695
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:02,320
Si pasamos como todo lo que nos sucede a causa de un evento por el cual nos

696
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,680
sentimos culpable a lo racional.

697
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:10,520
Si dejamos de conectar el cuerpo con las emociones que sentimos.

698
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:16,160
Decía Fritz Perls que las emociones que enterramos las enterramos vivas.

699
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,320
Entonces, ahí están tocándote la puerta todo el tiempo.

700
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,800
Cuando nosotros hacemos esta desconexión,

701
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,680
dejamos de escuchar lo que realmente quiere decirnos la emoción para reparar

702
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:32,560
quizá lo que hicimos o dejamos de hacer o para tomar conciencia de eso que

703
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,600
queremos modificar en nosotros para que no vuelva a repetirse.

704
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:36,600
Está muy interesante.

705
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,480
Que yo entierre una emoción no quiere decir que la maté.

706
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,440
La enterramos viva.

707
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,280
Qué fuerte.

708
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,600
Fíjate, la emoción, la palabra emoción significa moverse.

709
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,040
O sea, viene de latín, movere, emoción, moverse hacia.

710
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,800
Entonces, cuando tú intentas guardar una emoción es una fantasía.

711
00:30:54,800 --> 00:31:01,520
Porque lo único que haces es que eso que está tocándote la puerta se va hacia

712
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,360
otra parte.

713
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,560
Es decir, proyectamos, como hace rato lo decían,

714
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,080
proyectamos hacia el otro lo que en verdad está dentro de nosotros.

715
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:14,200
O a veces inclusive retroflectamos, que es lo que yo siento por alguien,

716
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,880
por esto que me sucedió.

717
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,200
Puede ser un enojo, rabia, miedo, vergüenza.

718
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,680
Lo regreso hacia mí.

719
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,560
Entonces, en vez de hacerme responsable de lo que yo hice o dejé de hacer,

720
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:32,080
lo que hago es como culparme por dentro, tener como un juez que es muy mala onda

721
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,000
conmigo.

722
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,400
Y entonces empiezo a morderme las uñas y entonces empiezo a tener un dolor de

723
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,000
cabeza interminable.

724
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,360
Y entonces hay dolores musculares, somatización.

725
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,200
También lo que hablaban hace ratito.

726
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,880
Es decir, cada vez que negamos una emoción,

727
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,440
nos perdemos la oportunidad de movernos hacia un lugar que es más sano.

728
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,040
Por ejemplo, ahorita que venía en la carretera y veía la ciudad de México,

729
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,800
ya saben, vengo de MTP, y entonces alcanzas a ver todo el Valle de México

730
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,040
precioso, pero había una nube gigantesca entre contaminación,

731
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,920
el frío y todo lo que tú quieras y mandes la bruma.

732
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,360
Y se alcanzaban a ver las montañitas de atrás del Ajusco.

733
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,840
Y entonces yo decía, las emociones cuando las guardamos y cuando intentamos

734
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,360
reprimirlas son así.

735
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,880
Es, alcanzas a ver la puntita de la montaña o como la punta del iceberg,

736
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:24,760
pero todo lo que está debajo de esa bruma es lo que en realidad nos está avisando,

737
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,080
cómo nos estamos sintiendo y qué queremos hacer con esa emoción.

738
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,760
Y si la reprimimos y nos sentimos culpables, eso afecta a nivel mental,

739
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,040
físico, emocional, a nivel dinero que hacemos o no hacemos, a nivel familia.

740
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,760
Una persona frustrada, que no se acepta, que no se ama como es,

741
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,560
que no honra sus emociones, que no las expresa,

742
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,880
¿va a ser una persona feliz, productiva?

743
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,320
¿Va a ser un buen miembro de la sociedad, de la familia?

744
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,400
Es que, fíjate, es como el cuentito este del perrito, ¿no?

745
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:59,160
Que llega un pueblo y entonces se mete a una casa de los espejos y empieza a ladrar,

746
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,440
¿no? Y entonces sale de esa casa y entonces llega otro perro y le dice,

747
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,240
¿qué onda? ¿Cómo te fue en el pueblo?

748
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,240
Ay, horrible.

749
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,920
Todos los perros que están ahí son unos neuróticos y ladran y que no sé qué.

750
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:09,440
Y era él.

751
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,120
Ay, amigo, mira lo que dice allá arriba, casa de los espejos.

752
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,480
Entonces, hacemos justo esta frustración de la que tú hablas,

753
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,120
la convertimos en algo externo.

754
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,480
Esto, lo que está alrededor nos parece terrible, todos tan neuróticos.

755
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,640
Hay muchísimas cosas que no me gustan alrededor y dejo de ver las cosas que sí hay

756
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,120
y que sí tengo para poderme proyectar en una cuestión positiva.

757
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,120
Ya.

758
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,040
¿Qué hacer con esto?

759
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,640
Porque hay roles, hablando como de jaulas mentales, ¿no?

760
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:42,280
Hay roles, el rol clásico, tradicional de la mujer, que tiene su propia cárcel,

761
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,840
y el rol tradicional clásico del hombre, que también puede ser bastante tóxico,

762
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,680
y tiene una cárcel diferente.

763
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,000
Estos roles tengo que encajar.

764
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,800
En México dicen que las mujeres calladitas se ven más bonitas

765
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,680
y se quedan en la cocina haciendo de comer y bla, bla, bla.

766
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,520
Y el hombre es fuerte, tiene que proveer y se enferma y no va al doctor

767
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,640
porque se aguanta y es un macho.

768
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,640
Hay muchas mujeres y hombres que no encajamos, me incluyo,

769
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,240
en este rol tradicional.

770
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:15,160
¿Hasta dónde nos hace daño querer meternos a un rol impuesto por la sociedad?

771
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,600
Porque los roles están definidos justo por la cultura, por las creencias,

772
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,760
por todas estas cuestiones que hemos ido aprendiendo a lo largo del tiempo

773
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,240
desde que éramos niños.

774
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:27,920
Entonces, estos roles en los que no encajamos son justos los que nos van frustrando

775
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,760
y nos van generando como la culpabilidad de ser quienes verdaderamente somos

776
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,400
en este presente y no en un pasado,

777
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,120
porque ese pasado nos sirvió para ser quienes somos ahora.

778
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,520
Entonces, si hablamos como del rol femenino en cuestión de expresar emociones,

779
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,480
las mujeres, pues sí, efectivamente tienen más este rollo de el sacrificio

780
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,680
o de ser la cuidadora o la protectora, porque así es.

781
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:55,080
O sea, tiene también que ver con un contexto fisiológico, biológico, psicológico.

782
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,560
Y los hombres, por el otro lado, es si muestras tus emociones,

783
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,200
entonces estás hablando de un hombre que es vulnerable.

784
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,360
Soy débil.

785
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,000
Exacto.

786
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,920
Si te muestras vulnerable, te conviertes en una persona débil.

787
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,760
Cuando es todo lo contrario, es, fíjense, el rollo de llorar,

788
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,200
cuando estamos tristes, es solamente una forma de expresar lo que hay dentro de mí.

789
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,680
Hay distintas formas de expresar el llanto.

790
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,720
Una lágrima puede ser por cubrirnos del medio ambiente de algo que me entró al ojo

791
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,200
y entonces ese lágrima no tiene que ver con la emoción.

792
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,240
Pero estas que sí tienen que ver con las emociones.

793
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,680
Cuando nosotros liberamos llanto por una tristeza muy grande,

794
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,160
lo que estamos haciendo es bajar los niveles de cortisol.

795
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,760
Lo que estamos haciendo es sentirnos mucho más ligeros en nuestra vida

796
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,880
y por consiguiente más fuerte.

797
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:42,400
Claro.

798
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,640
Entonces es una fantasía también y una creencia limitante el decir,

799
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,720
si me muestro vulnerable ante los demás,

800
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,520
hablando de las emociones que realmente siento,

801
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,360
me voy a convertir en una persona débil.

802
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:53,880
Es no.

803
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,760
Si me muestro y me expreso,

804
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,640
voy a soltar físicamente, psicológicamente, emocionalmente

805
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,920
y por consiguiente voy a estar más fuerte ante la adversidad.

806
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,040
Cuando hacemos ciencia, voy a pensar ahorita lo que dijo Audrey.

807
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,880
Si yo me acerco, está llorando, está en crisis y le digo,

808
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,280
oye, déjame tomarte una muestra de tu llanto.

809
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,560
Está loco.

810
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:21,440
Bueno, cuando hacemos ciencia comprobamos que sí hay cortisol en esas lágrimas.

811
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,840
Y la otra es que estos patrones o estos esquemas de género

812
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,880
también se han reforzado a través de las películas.

813
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,480
Exacto.

814
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,000
Nosotros regresamos a la época de oro del cine nacional,

815
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,080
pues se ponía más interesante la película si la señora aguantaba todo

816
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,760
y el señor era muy maldito.

817
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,240
Recuerda seguramente que había una serie que se llamaba Gutierrez,

818
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:46,400
creo que era una novela.

819
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:46,800
Claro.

820
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,080
El Gutierrez aguantaba todo, o sea, le hacían enojar y no protestaba,

821
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,040
le pegaban y hacía el que hacer.

822
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,600
O sea, en el rod de género estaba como invertido, pero de forma manzana.

823
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,120
Fíjate que estuvimos revisando datos del Inegi

824
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,520
y dice que la esperanza de vida de los hombres justamente

825
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:10,480
es cinco años menor que las mujeres entre los 15 y 40 años de edad,

826
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,960
porque dice que muchos hombres se mueren por hacerse los machos.

827
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,760
Justamente, es decir, por ejemplo, para empezar se pelean,

828
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,760
porque pelearse es de machos.

829
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,360
Si soy hombre y me faltas al respeto, no lo dialogo en forma inteligente,

830
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:24,680
no gestiono mi emoción.

831
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:25,240
No, no, no.

832
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:26,320
¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¿Qué me ves?

833
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,280
Ahí te voy.

834
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,520
Entonces, obviamente, se meten en pleitos físicos, pues se mueren muchos.

835
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,600
Luego, de los que quedan vivos de los pleitos, no van al doctor.

836
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,400
Les dieron un golpazo en la cabeza, en la nariz, en el pulmón,

837
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,720
donde sea, no van al doctor, porque los machos no vamos al doctor.

838
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,480
Ando triste, ando deprimido.

839
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,000
No, los machos no vamos a terapia.

840
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,320
Llorar.

841
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,000
¿Cómo a llorar si soy macho?

842
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,360
Entonces, el hombre va a terapia menos, va al doctor menos,

843
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,520
se ponen agresivos al volante porque es de machos,

844
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,280
pues manejar fuerte y andar ahí echando el laminazo.

845
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,960
Entonces, provocan accidentes.

846
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:03,960
Entonces, fíjense, cinco años de expectativa menor de vida entre los

847
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,400
15, 40 años, que es donde está la testosterona, a todo lo que da.

848
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,400
Y también, obviamente, pues se enferman más del hígado por tomar

849
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,320
mucho alcohol, como en las películas de la época de oro.

850
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,200
Por eso no nos visitan los extraterrestres.

851
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,680
Sí.

852
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,080
Ven, tanta cosa.

853
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,440
Sale caro ser macho.

854
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,080
Habría que preguntar qué hay detrás de ese enojo.

855
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,240
¿Qué hay detrás de ese enojo?

856
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,520
A ver, tú le has preguntado.

857
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,640
Tú dices, no van a terapia.

858
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,080
Claro, por supuesto.

859
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,600
Es que la mayoría de las veces si no tenemos como estas herramientas

860
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,080
para identificar la emoción que es, la cubrimos con otra como un

861
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,360
mecanismo de defensa.

862
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,960
Como este golpe, como esta pelea, como este estarme bronqueando con

863
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,640
todo mundo en el periférico, justo porque no identificamos cuál es

864
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,280
la verdadera emoción que está detrás de esa emoción.

865
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,280
¿Qué es lo que está ahí atrás?

866
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,080
Porque además también, si se dan cuenta, a partir de mediados del

867
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,600
siglo XX, es que cambia como toda esta definición inclusive como de

868
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:00,800
la conciencia.

869
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,520
Antes no se manejaba como tal, o sea, como hacer consciente tus

870
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:04,360
emociones.

871
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,800
Antes era solamente la parte racional.

872
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,400
O sea, somos seres pensantes y a partir de nuestros pensamientos

873
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,680
que nos volvemos libres, porque además también veníamos como de

874
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,320
guerras mundiales, etcétera.

875
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,720
Y si se dan cuenta es como muy poquito el tiempo en el que hay un

876
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:21,320
proceso de transición para decir, a ver, hablemos de las

877
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,200
emociones, pero desde la escuela, desde que somos

878
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,440
chavitos, enseñámonos a los niños.

879
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,440
Ya hay algunas, ¿no?

880
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,360
O sea, no voy a generalizar porque si hay muchas escuelas que

881
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:30,880
ya lo hacen.

882
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,040
Toquitas, toquitas, sí, privadas la mayoría.

883
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,240
Sí, pero ahí están.

884
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:36,400
Digamos que llevamos un pasito adelante.

885
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,400
Entonces, enseñamos a nuestros hijos, yo no tengo pues,

886
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,840
pero a los de ustedes, ¿no?

887
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,720
Y a todos los chiquitos, sí.

888
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:44,520
Pero bueno, siempre es como lo coloquial.

889
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:49,480
A nuestros hijos, a nuestros chiquitos que está bien

890
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,920
sentirse enojado.

891
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,600
No es una mala emoción.

892
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,600
No hay malas emociones.

893
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,160
Claro.

894
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,800
Las emociones vienen a nosotros justo para descargar todo eso

895
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,840
que está relacionado con una experiencia.

896
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,320
Claro.

897
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,720
Y las emociones, a mí no me gusta cuando, digo,

898
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:05,480
con todo respeto por algunos conferencistas,

899
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,560
colegas que hablan de aprende a controlar tus emociones.

900
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,720
Espérate, ¿cómo controlar?

901
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:11,520
Maneja tus emociones.

902
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,400
Gestiona.

903
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:13,000
¿Verdad?

904
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,920
Gestiona tus emociones.

905
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,800
Dialoga con tus emociones.

906
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,160
Controla tus emociones.

907
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,640
Y la gestión tiene que ver con el pensamiento, ¿viste?

908
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,200
Es como, más que hablar de un control y apretarle un botón

909
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,040
para que no te enojes, te enojes en un 5 en vez de un 10,

910
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,760
es, ese pensamiento está relacionado con tu emoción.

911
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,720
Y de esa manera es como vas gestionándolo.

912
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:39,640
Es decir, yo ya sé que si me dicen una indicación con un

913
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,640
nivel de voz muy alto, me va a prender, ¿no?

914
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,680
Entonces, yo hablo con esa persona y le digo, mira,

915
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,640
mejor trata de decirme las indicaciones como en un nivel

916
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,040
más bajito, porque de repente me saca como de onda y entonces

917
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,160
eso me descontrola.

918
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:52,640
OK.

919
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,560
Ya hice algo para gestionar mi emoción junto con la otra

920
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,060
persona.

921
00:40:57,060 --> 00:40:59,600
Y cuando soy yo sola, entonces yo ya sé que en ciertas

922
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,640
circunstancias a lo mejor me voy a alterar y entonces vos

923
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,440
respiro y hago todo lo que tenga que hacer.

924
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,520
Pero lo pensé.

925
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,360
O sea, si se dan cuenta, siempre van de la mano.

926
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,360
No es como que una emoción sea una reacción inmediata que yo

927
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:13,600
no la pedí y llegó.

928
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,520
No, la emoción está relacionada con la experiencia previa que

929
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,440
tuve en la infancia, en las memorias, en los recuerdos,

930
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,360
en por qué reacciono así de cierta manera,

931
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,840
quizá ante un engaño o ante la propia culpa.

932
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:25,920
Esa es la conciencia, ¿no?

933
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,040
El espacio al cual yo tengo derecho que existe entre la

934
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,720
emoción que siento y mi reacción.

935
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:34,280
Ahí es donde puedo hacer ese manejo.

936
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,080
Cada emoción sirve para algo.

937
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,000
Pensemos en la culpa sirve para reparar lo que es.

938
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,720
Si tú deshiciste algo o hiciste daño, sirve para reparar.

939
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:43,760
Pero si no hice nada.

940
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,320
Si no hiciste, sirve para liberarte porque te estoy

941
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,600
culpando de algo que no eres culpable y entonces,

942
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:49,400
¿por qué tendrías que subir a la culpa?

943
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,080
Sí, mis papás se divorciaron, yo soy culpable.

944
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,920
Tal persona le dio cáncer, es porque yo la hice enojar,

945
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:56,840
etcétera, etcétera.

946
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,960
Que eso es un pensamiento ya así muy como de complejo de Dios.

947
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,600
A veces es como si todo tuviera que ver contigo.

948
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,320
Es salirnos un poquito también como de la parte leo que no nos

949
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,080
funciona.

950
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,080
Satanizamos como mucho la parte leo y,

951
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,960
ay, eres egocentrista.

952
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,680
Coloquialmente así porque cuando te centras solamente en

953
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,480
ti y en que eso que te está sucediendo a ti tiene que ver

954
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,720
con los demás, pues ahí dices, no sirvo.

955
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,160
Pero si ves la parte como de lego para diferenciarte de los

956
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,440
demás, como unicidad, como verte como una parte auténtica,

957
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,600
pues nada afecta.

958
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,360
Le voy a hacer una pregunta controvertida.

959
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,600
Controvertida, yo sé que mucha gente me va a odiar por hacer la

960
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,640
pregunta, pero lo digo como una persona que quiso ser

961
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,760
sacerdote, que fui monaguillo profesional y que sigo

962
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,000
creyendo en Dios y sigo practicando nada más que no

963
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,800
tengo ninguna religión específica.

964
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,240
A mí me hace ruido esto de por mi culpa, por mi culpa,

965
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,280
por mi gran culpa.

966
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,760
Desde el punto de vista psicológico, no religioso,

967
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,480
¿no sería una oportunidad para la religión empezar a quitar

968
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,480
estas palabras?

969
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,240
O sea, ¿sirve o no sirve ir a misa todos los domingos y

970
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,600
decirte por mi culpa, por mi, soy pecador, por mi culpa,

971
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,320
por mi culpa, por mi culpa?

972
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,280
Ya sé que me van a odiar muchos por preguntar eso,

973
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,280
pero es una pregunta que yo siempre me he hecho.

974
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,160
Chócala.

975
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,800
O mecanismo de control funciona, ¿eh?

976
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,040
Pero si quieres liberarte de ese mecanismo de control,

977
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,480
pues simplemente lo dejas pasar.

978
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:10,960
Claro.

979
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:16,760
Pero denominarme como culpable, como soy pecador y soy

980
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,760
culpable todo el tiempo, porque esa es mi naturaleza.

981
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,320
¿Sirve o no sirve psicológicamente?

982
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,000
Va a bajar tu energía, va a disminuir tu autoconfianza.

983
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,680
Sí, de alguna manera vas tú personalmente a reparar algo.

984
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,240
Pero no sirve si tú no te la crees,

985
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:37,840
porque yo tendré que asumir una responsabilidad que no es

986
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,840
exactamente.

987
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,760
Ofendía a mi hermano.

988
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,160
Soy culpable de haber ofendido a mi hermano y voy a repararlo.

989
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,320
Pero soy culpable, esa es mi naturaleza.

990
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,920
Pero si lo relacionas justo con esta oración,

991
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,320
o sea, si es como ofendí a mi hermano, soy culpable,

992
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,840
si se dan cuenta, y ojo, o sea, cada quien tiene sus

993
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,640
creencias y son respetables, pero vamos a verlo como desde

994
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,320
el punto fenomenológico, es tal cual.

995
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,280
¿Qué haces con tu manito y con tu puño?

996
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,600
Te pegas en el pecho.

997
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,440
Y en el pecho, bueno, pues está el corazón,

998
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,840
está nuestros pulmones.

999
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,560
Entonces, es pegarle mi cuerpo, pero además asumirle un

1000
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,680
pensamiento de culpa culposo como un juez que castiga muy

1001
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,800
feo.

1002
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,880
Si lo vemos así en materia religiosa,

1003
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,920
es como ver a un Dios que me está castigando por lo que yo

1004
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,080
hice.

1005
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,920
Y entonces, eso que yo hice, quizás si en un futuro se pueda

1006
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,400
convertir en algo mucho peor como en una somatización de

1007
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,280
alguna enfermedad.

1008
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:35,760
OK.

1009
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:36,400
Esa es mi opinión.

1010
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,640
Nos vamos a despedir de Telefórmula,

1011
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,040
pero el ejercicio, Odri, nos puedes dar en breve el

1012
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:40,960
ejercicio para asumir.

1013
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:41,840
Donde estén.

1014
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,120
Si pueden cerrar los ojos, cerramos los ojos.

1015
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,120
Si van manejando o no.

1016
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,960
Si van manejando o no, respiramos,

1017
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,640
digo, cerramos nuestros ojitos, respiramos inhalando por la

1018
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,320
nariz, exhalando por la boca.

1019
00:44:54,320 --> 00:45:00,640
Tres veces, inhalo, exhalo, inhalo, exhalo.

1020
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,560
Y ahí respirando tranquilito, voy a identificar una parte en

1021
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,920
mi cuerpo en donde se sienta incomodidad, miedo, culpa.

1022
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,040
Cualquier emoción que me brinque y diga, ahí en ese lugar,

1023
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,840
por ejemplo, podría ser el centro del pecho,

1024
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,440
como decíamos ahorita.

1025
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,840
Y en ese lugar, justo ahí en el centro del pecho,

1026
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,880
donde siento esa incomodidad, le voy a preguntar a mi cuerpo,

1027
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,200
¿qué emoción es la que estás sintiendo?

1028
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,640
¿Qué emoción es esa que estás sintiendo mi cuerpo?

1029
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,520
Y al identificar esa emoción como básicas primarias,

1030
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:36,240
tristeza, ira, rabia, sorpresa, enojo, miedo, culpa,

1031
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:41,760
ahí le voy a decir a mi cuerpo, ¿qué necesito hacer con este

1032
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,680
sentimiento, esta emoción que estoy sintiendo ahora?

1033
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,080
Inhalo profundo y suelto por la boca.

1034
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:50,800
Gracias, Audrey.

1035
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,200
Gracias.

1036
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,320
Con eso cerramos la transmisión para Telefórmula.

1037
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,480
Se quedan con Maxine Goodside.

1038
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,480
Mañana estaremos hablando del fenómeno de Taylor Swift,

1039
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,960
que es un súper fenómeno y qué podemos aprender de ella para

1040
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,200
poner en práctica en nuestras vidas.

1041
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,080
Hasta mañana, Telefórmula.

1042
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,200
Volvemos en radio.

1043
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,320
Conecta y construye a través de nuestra conversación.

1044
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,000
A través de nuestra conversación.

1045
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,120
A través de nuestra.

1046
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,200
Regresamos con Marco Antonio Regine en forma.

1047
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,800
Estamos de regreso aquí en la conversación.

1048
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,600
Bueno, en la, en la, en la, cabello parado.

1049
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,520
Traemos una conversación muy buena aquí en el estudio sobre

1050
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,680
la gran oportunidad, porque el tema de hoy es la culpa y la

1051
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,360
represión de las emociones.

1052
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,240
Y yo con, con todo respeto y cariño le estaba platicando a

1053
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,440
nuestros invitados, a Juan Antonio Barrera, psicólogo,

1054
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,160
y a Audrey Vera, que también es psicóloga,

1055
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,720
que yo tenía una plática con un muy querido amigo,

1056
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:37,800
que es sacerdote de los legionarios de Cristo, y le dije,

1057
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,960
oye, este, yo sé que tú no eres el que puede cambiar este las,

1058
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,040
las oraciones tradicionales, pero yo le preguntaba,

1059
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,480
no habría una oportunidad de que desde el punto de vista

1060
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,520
psicológico hubiera una modernización en las oraciones

1061
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:57,200
que la gente repite no teniendo tal, una influencia tan grande.

1062
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,400
Y sabiendo que estas oraciones se hicieron hace cientos de

1063
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,680
años donde no había.

1064
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,920
La psicología se reconoció como ciencia hace 150 años.

1065
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,120
Cuando se hicieron estas oraciones de por mi culpa,

1066
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,920
por mi culpa, por mi grande culpa, soy pecador,

1067
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,880
no, no soy digno, o sea, todo este como bajón, bajón, bajón,

1068
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:13,680
no existía.

1069
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,200
La psicología no era reconocida.

1070
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,000
¿Qué piensan ustedes?

1071
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Porque igual estoy mal.

1072
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:24,560
Cuando te meten, porque te meten a una forma de pensamiento,

1073
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,240
vamos a llamarle ideología y vamos a llamarle cosmovisión.

1074
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:33,000
De pronto es difícil cambiar la cosmovisión porque es ese

1075
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,760
mecanismo de control.

1076
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:39,600
Pero cómo lo puedes interpretar tú desde la parte individual.

1077
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,120
Yo no me la creo algunas cosas.

1078
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,200
Esto, ¿por qué?

1079
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,080
Pues si te están machacando, machacando,

1080
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,120
que debes de hacer tal cosa o no debes de creer tal otra,

1081
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,000
está bien.

1082
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,720
Qué bueno que esos son unos preceptos de alguien.

1083
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:55,120
Pero yo no me la creo.

1084
00:47:55,120 --> 00:48:00,440
Porque afortunadamente cuando empiezas a cuestionar,

1085
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,320
a veces se pensaba que no existía como el alma,

1086
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,280
que el alma sí existe, que existe el cuerpo,

1087
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,600
que existe la mente.

1088
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,480
Cuando tenemos una opción diferente de pensarme yo como

1089
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,040
un ente individual, pues puedo interpretar la realidad de esa

1090
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,440
cosmovisión de forma diferente.

1091
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,840
O sea, está bien.

1092
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,080
Yo creo que sí convendría hacer una adaptación y decir a

1093
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,960
lo mejor lo mismo, pero con otras palabras.

1094
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,480
Oye, el Papa Francisco está súper abierto y está adaptando

1095
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:27,840
y está modernizando la iglesia.

1096
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,440
¿Por qué no llevar esa modernidad con el conocimiento

1097
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,080
psicológico?

1098
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,080
Oye, hay oraciones donde no le estamos ayudando a nuestra

1099
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,640
gente.

1100
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,680
Porque un cambio se presenta cuando ya no funciona esa

1101
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,520
conducta o pensamiento repetitivo.

1102
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:49,640
Entonces hablábamos que son oraciones que ya tienen tanto

1103
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,640
tiempo que quizá no concuerda.

1104
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,400
Ojo, por eso digo quizá para no hacer generalidades con muchas

1105
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,120
de las personas que hoy vivimos que actualmente no tienen como

1106
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,000
esa conexión inclusive de fe.

1107
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,880
No quiero meterme como en otros temas,

1108
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,360
pero hasta esa fe que hace que mueva montañas dentro de ti no

1109
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,520
tiene ya entonces una lógica para mí con lo que me repito a

1110
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,800
manera de oración.

1111
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:21,360
Porque hay, por ejemplo, mantras o palabras significativas,

1112
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,840
por ejemplo, dentro de la meditación como el famoso Soham,

1113
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,520
que es el yo soy.

1114
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,360
Es como reafirmarnos constantemente a través de una

1115
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,160
palabra, el yo soy, pero el yo soy o estoy siendo en estos

1116
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,560
momentos la persona que me he creado y que constantemente

1117
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,240
esté en un cambio.

1118
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:42,800
Y entonces le quitamos como una emoción negativa, simplemente es

1119
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,760
una conexión con tu ser, con el que estás haciendo por ahora.

1120
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,680
Por eso cuando hay un cambio es que ya no conectas con esa

1121
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,160
definición o con esa creencia que estás introyectando,

1122
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,600
que estás metiendo en ti.

1123
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,640
La parte, perdón, Marco, de la terapia les digo a los

1124
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,000
pacientes, no te justifico, tampoco te culpo,

1125
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,400
pero sí te entiendo.

1126
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,240
Entonces es ese esquema de cambiar un poco la entonación de

1127
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:06,880
las palabras.

1128
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,040
Porque además eso es real, o sea, este por qué.

1129
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,480
Yo no tengo ningún poder para estar castigando a una persona,

1130
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,440
pero sí tengo la capacidad de entenderla.

1131
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,400
Y si entendemos por qué hizo lo que hizo,

1132
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,120
seguramente que la propia persona podría hacer un

1133
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,160
cambio en su propia vida.

1134
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,240
Sí, estamos tratando de todos darnos,

1135
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:27,840
entretener pensamientos en nuestra mente que nos ayuden a

1136
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:28,800
crecer.

1137
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,480
Soy valioso, merezco amor, merezco felicidad,

1138
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,880
tengo posibilidades infinitas.

1139
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,360
Soy talentoso, soy talentosa, soy bendecido.

1140
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,080
Esas afirmaciones que las dices y te sientes justo así,

1141
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,320
con más salud mental, con más posibilidades,

1142
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,920
con alimentar un diálogo interno.

1143
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,280
No me gusta ser positivo, positivo, negativo.

1144
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,480
Un diálogo interno alineado con alcanzar mi máximo potencial.

1145
00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:02,040
Yo digo, merezco amor, soy amor, tengo talento, Dios me ama.

1146
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,600
A ver, por ejemplo, ¿cómo te sientes?

1147
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:04,520
Muy bien.

1148
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,920
OK, y ese bien, ¿qué emoción le pondrías?

1149
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,760
Si le ponés una emoción, ¿cómo se amaría esa emoción?

1150
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,600
Pues me siento lleno de ilusiones,

1151
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,080
me siento lleno de posibilidades.

1152
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:12,840
Me dan ganas de...

1153
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:13,360
Alegre.

1154
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,040
Alegre, feliz.

1155
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,320
Ese es la emoción justo.

1156
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,560
Con ganas de conectar, se me olvidan rencores,

1157
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,920
se me olvidan, me dejo de concentrar lo que está mal,

1158
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,160
me concentro en lo que va bien, la gratitud.

1159
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,480
En cambio, si digo, soy pecador, soy culpable.

1160
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,920
No, no, no, no, a mí no me funciona.

1161
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,760
Y entonces también hablamos de un cambio que es personal.

1162
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:33,160
Sí.

1163
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,840
Entonces podemos decir, a ver, hagamos una marcha y hagamos

1164
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,480
todos una proposición para que cambie, ¿no?

1165
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,760
El tema de la honoración.

1166
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,920
Pero luego nos damos cuenta que si eso no llega,

1167
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,320
el cambio primero está en nosotros.

1168
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:44,840
Claro, sí.

1169
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,840
Y en hablarlo en presente, porque, por ejemplo,

1170
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,160
ahorita cuando te escucho, noto que lo dices como en presente.

1171
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,760
Soy bendecido, soy afortunado, merezco amor.

1172
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,120
No nos vamos como a ese futuro en donde voy a ser bendecido si

1173
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,240
tengo la casa de mis sueños, el viaje de mis sueños.

1174
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:02,880
El sí, el sí.

1175
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,680
Cuando ya lo decimos en presente cambia nuestras emociones.

1176
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:05,920
Claro.

1177
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,440
Como esta alegría que sentiste ahora.

1178
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:07,800
Sí.

1179
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,160
Bueno, oigan, vamos con preguntas de nuestros socios

1180
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:10,680
y socias.

1181
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,240
Recuerden que se pueden hacer socios o socias del programa

1182
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:16,120
en marcoantoniorregil.com, diagonal, Fórmula.

1183
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,200
Por ejemplo, hoy les mandamos la información de quiénes,

1184
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,680
qué invitados vienen mañana.

1185
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,640
Y ustedes nos pueden mandar preguntas para ellos.

1186
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,520
Es uno de los privilegios de ser socios y socias es gratis.

1187
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,400
marcoantoniorregil.com, diagonal, Fórmula.

1188
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,280
Y ahí Francisco Javier Garibay de Zacatecas dice, me es fácil

1189
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,720
demostrar mis emociones solo, solo cuando me siento pleno,

1190
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:39,600
sin carencias de ningún tipo.

1191
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,240
¿Esto es normal o se pueden demostrar las emociones si se

1192
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:47,480
tienen carencias de afecto económicas, etc.?

1193
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,200
Pues aprendemos a la expresión de las emociones desde la casa,

1194
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:51,700
¿no?

1195
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:54,160
Si en la casa te reprimen las emociones,

1196
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,920
te van a decir, no llores, no seas maricón.

1197
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,240
O te van a decir alguna tontería.

1198
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:02,960
Si yo aprendí a controlar las emociones a través de este

1199
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,640
mecanismo, vámonos a dos extremos.

1200
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,840
Uno es que voy a expresar mis emociones en cualquier lugar

1201
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,960
y entonces aquí me voy a poner a llorar, ¿no?

1202
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,040
Y entonces ya ni siquiera puedo hablar porque estoy llorando y

1203
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,880
estoy expresando una emoción.

1204
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,600
Las emociones, insisto, son para hacer sentidas si tú las

1205
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:23,040
estás percibiendo, cada una de las emociones si de para algo.

1206
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,600
Pero no voy a mostrar mis emociones en público.

1207
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,160
Voy a mostrar a quien se las deba de demostrar para que me

1208
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,440
entienda lo que yo estoy pensando.

1209
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,480
Y yo creo que no es una cuestión de si está bien o

1210
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,480
está mal porque ya le estamos poniendo un juicio de valor.

1211
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,600
Más bien depende del contexto.

1212
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,640
Si me siento a gusto, pues igual la voy a platicar.

1213
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,840
En la terapia, insisto, las personas llegan y platican sus

1214
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:48,480
cosas.

1215
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,520
Incluso lloran, a lo mejor se enojan, dicen palabrotas.

1216
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,680
Y muy probablemente eso no funcionaría si van viajando en

1217
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,360
el metro y hacen exactamente lo mismo.

1218
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,880
Van a quedar viendo y va a decir, esta persona está loca.

1219
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,920
Y si dice, vengo del psicólogo, no, pues está peor ella y el

1220
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,240
psicólogo.

1221
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:07,560
Entonces depende del contexto de cómo lo quieras expresar.

1222
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,800
Además, el lugar, el espacio en donde das consulta,

1223
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,120
ya sea en un espacio físico, inclusive en líneas,

1224
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,720
ahí en ese espacio se genera mucha confianza,

1225
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:23,800
se genera respeto, se genera una escucha activa.

1226
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,760
Entonces, ahí es cuando te sientes seguro para hablar de

1227
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,200
tus emociones.

1228
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,480
Pero hay algo que también tiene que ver con esto que dice,

1229
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:32,160
¿cómo se llama?

1230
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,520
Francisco Javier Garibay.

1231
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,600
Francisco.

1232
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,800
Que, bueno, solamente cuando se siente seguro habla como de sus

1233
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:38,640
emociones.

1234
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,280
Y es la parte del apego.

1235
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,560
Bobby decía que cuando hay un apego seguro, es decir,

1236
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,160
cuando en la infancia tuvimos como cubiertas todas nuestras

1237
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:52,320
necesidades, desde las más básicas como comer, dormir,

1238
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,360
la papacho de mami y el estar presentes, padres presentes,

1239
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,800
etcétera, es mucho más fácil que podamos expresar nuestras

1240
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:00,400
emociones.

1241
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,000
Al contrario de un apego inseguro,

1242
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,040
en donde no están cubiertas, hacemos esas necesidades desde

1243
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,760
chavitos, ya de grande te cuesta trabajo expresarlas

1244
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,120
justo por el juicio, por no sentirte seguro en un espacio

1245
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,520
de respeto cuando lo vas a hacer.

1246
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,560
Y ni siquiera tener como la certeza de en dónde lo vas a

1247
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:18,080
hacer.

1248
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,720
La ideal es más allá de cómo siento que esté el mundo,

1249
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:24,680
cómo esté siendo mi entorno, aprender a expresar mis

1250
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,280
emociones, a gestionar mis emociones en el lugar y con la

1251
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,160
persona correcta.

1252
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,960
Hay momentos, pero sí.

1253
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,200
O sea, no tengo que esperar a sentirme bien y protegido para

1254
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:34,800
expresarlas.

1255
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:35,840
Es al contrario, ¿verdad?

1256
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,160
Mientras más aprende a expresarme en el lugar

1257
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,240
correcto, con la persona correcta, en la forma correcta,

1258
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:44,000
es lo que me va a hacer sentir bien.

1259
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,640
Pero a veces ni siquiera sabemos qué emoción tenemos.

1260
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,960
O sea, la más constante que puede ser socialmente

1261
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,120
aceptada es el enojo.

1262
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,840
Estoy enojado por tal cosa, estoy enojado por tal otra.

1263
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,000
En la pandemia se hizo en la UNAM un libro que es gratis y que

1264
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:01,800
lo pueden consultar.

1265
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,600
Creo que se llama algo así como para qué sirven las emociones

1266
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,880
y lo pueden bajar de internet.

1267
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,720
Es gratis el libro.

1268
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:09,640
Vamos a hacer una pausita.

1269
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,720
Cuando regresemos tenemos una pregunta de Cynthia Leyva de

1270
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,120
Agua Prita Sonora que nos dice, bueno,

1271
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,960
¿ya todo esto por qué nos importa tanto?

1272
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,080
El que dirán, ¿de dónde salió esto?

1273
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:20,680
¿Cómo empezó?

1274
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,160
También Cecil Lozano de Ciudad de México pregunta lo mismo.

1275
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,040
¿Cómo surgió la idea de que tenemos que mostrarnos fuertes

1276
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,200
y no mostrar nuestras emociones?

1277
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,400
¿De dónde vienen esas ideas?

1278
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,880
¿Por qué nos importa tanto el que dirán?

1279
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,480
Eso lo van a responder los psicólogos Juan Antonio

1280
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,320
Barrera y Odrio Rivera cuando regresemos de mensajes.

1281
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,840
Por lo pronto, les recuerdo que si quieren ver la repetición

1282
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,960
del programa, está en redes sociales,

1283
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,920
en la red social de YouTube, de Grupo Fórmula, que es así,

1284
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,840
Grupo Fórmula, y ven la repetición del programa de

1285
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:48,880
tele todos los días.

1286
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,280
Y en todas las aplicaciones de podcast todos los días está

1287
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,040
la repetición hora y media.

1288
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,280
Así que ahí pueden encontrar en Grupo Fórmula.

1289
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,160
Y a mí me pueden encontrar como Marco Antonio Regile en

1290
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,680
YouTube, donde tenemos nuestro podcast y hablamos también de

1291
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:00,400
temas similares.

1292
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,640
Y cada semana tenemos el nuevo episodio.

1293
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,640
Hacemos una pequeñísima pausa y volveremos con algunas

1294
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,800
preguntas de nuestros socios y socias.

1295
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,160
Y ya estaremos cerrando el programa.

1296
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,080
El tiempo vuela, las culpas, las emociones y la represión.

1297
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,360
Cómo manejar las manos a concentrar en soluciones.

1298
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,240
Después de una pausa, soy Marco Antonio Regile.

1299
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:19,240
Estamos en Fórmula.

1300
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:19,920
Volemos.

1301
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,040
Conecta y construye a través de nuestra conversación.

1302
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,760
A través de nuestra conversación.

1303
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:25,880
A través de nuestra.

1304
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:31,280
Regresamos con Marco Antonio Regile en Fórmula.

1305
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,200
¿Quieres iniciar, hacer crecer o monetizar tu podcast?

1306
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,800
Todos los secretos.

1307
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,640
Los secretos de todos.

1308
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,040
Donde y cuando quieras.

1309
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,800
¿Va a cambiar la vida?

1310
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,840
rss.com.

1311
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,080
Almacenamiento, distribución y programación de tus episodios

1312
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,960
en un solo lugar.

1313
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,920
Hostado y distribuido por RSS.com.

1314
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,720
RSS.com.

1315
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,360
Hacer podcasts de manera fácil.

1316
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,080
Conecta y construye a través de nuestra conversación.

1317
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,800
A través de nuestra conversación.

1318
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:04,920
A través de nuestra.

1319
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,680
Regresamos con Marco Antonio Regile en Fórmula.

1320
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,120
Felices de estar aquí con ustedes.

1321
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,560
Y le quiero mandar un abrazo a nuestros socios y socias que

1322
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,560
están ganándose a papachos.

1323
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,880
Alex Cerratos, que le mando un abrazo hasta Guadalajara,

1324
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:22,520
estuvimos con él y nos regaló los cinco kits anti turista.

1325
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,880
Cinco kits anti turista.

1326
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,320
Es decir, para visitar Guadalajara y conocer lo que

1327
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,560
conocen los locales.

1328
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,440
Y a todos los que ya se ganaron, por ejemplo,

1329
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,640
Paz Aguilera de Ciudad de México y Marco Antonio Carreón de

1330
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,880
Catepec, Estado de México, ya se ganaron sus apapachos de

1331
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,280
Alex y también el Consejo Regulador del Tequila nos

1332
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,360
regaló cinco botelas de tequila.

1333
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,840
Y a escoger una corbata o una mascada de pinera cobalin,

1334
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,240
que son preciosas.

1335
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,400
Y Maricela Ramírez de Aguascalientes,

1336
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,520
Antonio Aguilar de Puebla, Amaira Valadez de Guadalajara,

1337
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,320
Malinera Farías de Dallas y Sonia Basurto de Ciudad de

1338
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,760
México, se ganaron los apapachos.

1339
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,320
Si quieren ser parte de los apapachos y quieren hacernos

1340
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,720
preguntas para nuestros invitados, inscríbanse.

1341
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,400
Es gratis ser socio o socio del programa MarcoAntoniorregil.com

1342
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:08,640
Diagonalfórmula.

1343
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:09,760
Ahí lo pueden hacer.

1344
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:14,000
Y justamente de nuestros socios y socias nos preguntaron esto,

1345
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,120
para si se acaban de unir a la conversación,

1346
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,440
Juan Antonio Barrera, psicólogo, y Odri Vera, también psicóloga,

1347
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,160
están con nosotros hablando de la culpa y de la represión

1348
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,000
emocional.

1349
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,880
Y para hacerla el programa, pues las preguntas son esas.

1350
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,360
Cynthia Leiva nos dice, ¿por qué nos importa tanto el que dirán?

1351
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,640
Y Ceci Lozano de Ciudad de México nos dice,

1352
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,800
¿de dónde surgió la idea que tenemos que mostrarnos fuertes

1353
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,320
y no mostrar nuestras emociones?

1354
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,800
Porque las dos van de la mano, ¿no?

1355
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,560
Conclusiones.

1356
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,160
Porque somos seres sociales.

1357
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:46,000
Porque estamos creciendo en un entorno en donde somos vistos

1358
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:52,400
constantemente, en donde tenemos como una autocrítica creada a

1359
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,640
partir de lo que hemos aprendido desde la infancia.

1360
00:59:55,640 --> 01:00:01,880
Entonces, nos importa y es parte adaptativa también el que podamos

1361
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,080
ser parte de un clan, de una sociedad, de una familia con

1362
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,640
ciertos valores, con ciertas actitudes para que podamos

1363
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,160
funcionar dentro de ese lugar.

1364
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,000
Pero es desadaptativo el que nos importe lo que piensan los

1365
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:18,200
demás cuando ya lo internalizo y cuando solamente me rijo a

1366
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,080
partir de lo que los demás piensan.

1367
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:20,640
Claro.

1368
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,760
Es decir, que en el vestir, en el comer, en el hablar,

1369
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,360
es todo se rige a partir de qué van a pensar los demás.

1370
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:33,800
Es más, hay como un mecanismo interno que me está diciendo

1371
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,840
por dentro es, pero si digo esta palabra,

1372
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:36,720
entonces, ¿qué va a pensar Marco?

1373
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,480
Pero si digo esta otra, entonces, ¿qué va a pensar Juan?

1374
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,040
Pero si entonces digo la otra, entonces, ¿qué va a pensar?

1375
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,840
Y entonces, me rigo solamente por eso.

1376
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,720
Y ahí, como decía hace rato, me vuelvo a desconectar de mí.

1377
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,200
Pero qué horrible vivir así.

1378
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:46,960
Vivir con miedo.

1379
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,520
Cada vez que voy a abrir mi boquita,

1380
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,960
voy a hacerlo pensando en que me aprueben.

1381
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,840
Y ahí dejo de ser yo.

1382
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,440
Cuando, retomando esta pregunta,

1383
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,240
cuando revisamos la historia, dicen que si no conocemos la

1384
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,120
historia, estamos condenados a repetirla.

1385
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,600
Los soldados romanos, aunque se enamoraban y no se le llamaba

1386
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,160
exactamente amor, tenían prohibido expresar sus

1387
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,320
emociones.

1388
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,840
En la Edad Media sucedía algo similar.

1389
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,840
En la época victoriana, exactamente lo mismo,

1390
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,000
porque además de las emociones te llevaba la lujuria.

1391
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,080
Y entonces, ni podías mostrar las emociones,

1392
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,880
aunque si había trucos, si decías, OK,

1393
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,320
yo quiero contar fulanito, pues me oías el abanico y ya le

1394
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,240
mandabas el mensaje que estabas dispuesto.

1395
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:35,440
En 1900 todavía, cuando se reprimen las emociones,

1396
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,000
no se podían expresar porque era una cuestión de vergüenza

1397
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,840
estar diciendo las emociones que tú sentías.

1398
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,320
Entonces, se unía el reprimir las emociones,

1399
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,040
además de hacerte sentir.

1400
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,480
Y acuérdate que la vergüenza es culpa.

1401
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,320
Entonces, ¿de dónde viene?

1402
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,440
No es de ahorita, sino tenemos una larga historia.

1403
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,960
En la página de Facebook que tengo,

1404
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,080
publico constantemente artículos.

1405
01:01:59,080 --> 01:01:59,580
¿Cuál es?

1406
01:01:59,580 --> 01:02:00,520
Sí, la paquetelía.

1407
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,840
Se llama Juan Antonio Barrera, la página.

1408
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,960
Y hay un artículo muy interesante sobre la historia

1409
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,960
del amor y ahí viene explicado estas emociones.

1410
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,000
O sea, que es histórico.

1411
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,360
Y recordemos que la psicología ha sido aceptada por la ciencia

1412
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,640
en los últimos 150 años.

1413
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:17,760
La ciencia moderna, ¿verdad?

1414
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:18,280
Sí, sí.

1415
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:22,040
En el budismo, pues hace casi 3,000 años.

1416
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,000
5,000 años.

1417
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,120
Se hablaba ya de la psicología budista y todo.

1418
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,640
Pero la ciencia moderna en el lado del oeste del planeta,

1419
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,840
Europa y las Américas, la psicología se ha aceptado como

1420
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,840
ciencia como algo nuevo.

1421
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,920
Entonces, es lógico que todavía nos falte mucho por aprender.

1422
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:40,680
Todos los días estamos aprendiendo.

1423
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:41,360
Sí.

1424
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,880
Es un constante aprendizaje porque vamos cambiando conforme

1425
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,040
vamos creciendo.

1426
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,560
Yo creo que no hay un punto determinante de dejar de

1427
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,280
aprender hasta el día que nos morimos.

1428
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,520
Hay una frase buenísima que les quiero compartir,

1429
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,880
justo de Fritz Pers, que es el padre de la psicoterapia

1430
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,200
Gestalt, hablando de psicología.

1431
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,360
Y entonces, fíjense, qué chulada.

1432
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,240
Dice, yo hago lo mío, tú haces lo tuyo,

1433
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,760
no vengo a este mundo a llenar tus expectativas.

1434
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,600
Ni tú vienes al mío a llenar las mías.

1435
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,800
Así que si coincidimos, es hermoso.

1436
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,760
Y si no, no hay nada que hacer.

1437
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,400
Wow, qué hermoso, qué interesante.

1438
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,600
Y también pensando en la historia,

1439
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:21,920
como bien lo decía, Juan Antonio,

1440
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,720
recuerdo que los castigos más fuertes del pasado siempre han

1441
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,280
estado de la mano de la humillación pública.

1442
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:29,040
Sí, por supuesto.

1443
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,240
Y la humillación pública es el miedo más grande que tenemos

1444
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,160
los seres humanos, el ser rechazados, el ser desterrados.

1445
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,840
Te desterraban, te sacaban de tu pueblo y no había Instagram.

1446
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,400
Le llevamos también duelo desautorizado.

1447
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,120
Y un duelo desautorizado es, tú cometiste un error,

1448
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,680
entonces vamos a dejarte de hablar.

1449
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,960
Es así como en la primaria cuando te aplicaban la ley de

1450
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:47,240
yel.

1451
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:48,000
Y es horrible.

1452
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,000
Es horrible, porque como somos seres sociales y relacionales,

1453
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,080
va en contra justamente de eso.

1454
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,240
Entonces te voy a aislar, te voy a rechazar y voy a tener un

1455
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:01,160
prejuicio hacia tu persona, de tal suerte que esté regresando

1456
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,200
otra vez al manejo de las emociones,

1457
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,240
va a generar un impacto en esa persona.

1458
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,160
Le va a generar a lo mejor dolor de estómago, dolor de cabeza.

1459
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,760
Le va a hacer un elemento estresante.

1460
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,160
Vienen el estrés, vienen las hormonas que se relacionan con

1461
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,960
el estrés, viene la reacción que se llaman estilos de

1462
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,120
afrontamiento.

1463
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,000
Y tenemos un estilo, a lo mejor, hay muchos,

1464
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,360
solamente voy a hablar de dos.

1465
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,240
Uno que se llama confrontativo, me voy a pelear contigo,

1466
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,320
porque me ves así.

1467
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,440
Y la otra resolutivo, oye, ¿te hice algo?

1468
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:32,840
¿Por qué me estás mirando así?

1469
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:33,560
Pues que sí.

1470
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:34,600
OK, discúlpame.

1471
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,640
Ahí nos vemos y me salgo.

1472
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,040
Es el estilo de afrontamiento.

1473
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:42,000
Y después se va a reflejar en nuestro propio cuerpo a través

1474
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,560
de una enfermedad y también a través de algo que se llama

1475
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,120
envejecimiento secundario.

1476
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:48,520
¿Qué significa eso?

1477
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,000
Nosotros vemos a personas que tienen la misma edad que

1478
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,080
nosotros.

1479
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,080
A lo mejor ellos dicen lo mismo, pero dicen, oye,

1480
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,160
está rete acabado.

1481
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:56,560
¿Por qué?

1482
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,920
Porque en ese envejecimiento secundario las emociones

1483
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,240
hicieron desde el estrés, desde los estímulos que provocan

1484
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:07,040
estrés, todo un ejercicio de tal suerte que se vuelven más

1485
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,080
torpes nuestras células para volverse a reproducir y

1486
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,600
envejecemos más rápido.

1487
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,480
Las puntas del ADN se llaman telómeros, se acortan más.

1488
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,320
Por lo tanto, igual envejeces más rápido.

1489
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,480
Entonces, un elemento estresor que puede ser aparentemente

1490
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,480
sencillo puede tener todas estas repercusiones.

1491
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,920
Y la ciencia que hoy analiza eso,

1492
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,800
además de la psicología, se llama psico-neuroendocrino

1493
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,280
inmunología.

1494
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,920
De tal suerte que todos estos sistemas están relacionados,

1495
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,960
si impactas uno, alteras a todos los demás.

1496
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:37,640
Qué interesante.

1497
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,240
Muchas gracias, Juan Antonio Barrera.

1498
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:40,600
Además de tu página de Facebook,

1499
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:41,920
¿dónde más te podemos encontrar?

1500
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,800
Estoy en el programa de radio Las Parejas Disparejas,

1501
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:50,600
6.60 de AM, todos los jueves de 10 de la mañana.

1502
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:55,680
Y el X es arrojajonantonios6289.

1503
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:56,840
Y tienes tu libro.

1504
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,960
Tengo el libro de, bueno, varios,

1505
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:02,760
Albuquería Neurociencia, Las Parejas Disparejas, Tomo 1 y Tomo

1506
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:03,240
2.

1507
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:04,640
¿Y dónde los encuentran los libros?

1508
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:09,360
Pues, este ya, los primeros dos en cualquier librería de aquí.

1509
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,280
Y el próximo, el volumen 2, acaba de llegar a México.

1510
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,960
Y seguramente que en unos 15 días ya está en el librería.

1511
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:16,560
Maravilloso.

1512
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:17,960
Audrey, ¿en dónde te localizamos,

1513
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:19,120
dónde te seguimos, amiga?

1514
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,840
En mis redes, en audrepsicologa, en Instagram, Facebook,

1515
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,480
y también en mi página audrevera.com.

1516
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,560
Y yo me quedo con la lección más importante,

1517
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,360
que es atrevernos a ser nosotros mismos,

1518
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,240
atrevernos a honrar a nuestro corazón,

1519
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,800
a ahorrar nuestra vocación, a honrar lo que queremos explorar,

1520
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,760
honrarlo y tener el valor de ser nosotros.

1521
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,560
Ahora, ¿cómo gestionamos las emociones y los miedos a que

1522
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:44,600
nos rechacen?

1523
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:45,800
Pues, hay que ir a terapia.

1524
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,120
Yo no sé quién sería si yo no me lo hubiera pasado tanto

1525
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:50,280
tiempo de mi vida en terapia.

1526
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,480
Y les digo algo, es el lugar más feliz o de los lugares más

1527
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,600
felices que he tenido, de la mano de un profesional de la

1528
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,520
salud, de una profesional de la salud que me ha llevado de la

1529
01:06:59,520 --> 01:06:59,920
mano.

1530
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:01,640
Y para mí es como darme mantenimiento.

1531
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,560
Así que ir a terapia no es ser débil.

1532
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,160
Ir a terapia, al contrario, es ser fuerte y es ser valiente.

1533
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:08,760
Es sano.

1534
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,280
Es lo que más nos conviene y es amor propio.

1535
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,240
Así que yo me quedo con esa reflexión.

1536
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,320
Les agradezco mucho que hayan estado con nosotros.

1537
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,800
Mañana en el programa hablaremos del fenómeno de

1538
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,120
Taylor Swift.

1539
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:23,520
¿Qué podemos aprender de ella para aplicar en nuestras vidas?

1540
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:24,600
Hablamos de dinero.

1541
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,400
Mañana el tema es el querido dinero.

1542
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,560
Y vamos a aprender mucho de Taylor Swift y tendremos a

1543
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,560
tres expertos que nos van a hablar de qué podemos aprender

1544
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,520
de Taylor Swift, este fenómeno mundial, para aplicarlo.

1545
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,200
Y también para que sepa cómo se puede aplicar en nuestra vida

1546
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,280
porque también cuidar nuestro dinero es parte del amor

1547
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:40,840
propio.

1548
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:41,840
Soy Marco Antonio Regil.

1549
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,200
Me encuentro en todas las redes sociales como Marco Antonio

1550
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:44,760
Regil.

1551
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,520
Y también ahora en las redes de Grupo Fórmula y en

1552
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,200
radiofórmula.mx.

1553
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:49,960
Gracias.

1554
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:51,760
Les mando un abrazo con cariño.

1555
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,080
Muchas gracias a ustedes dos.

1556
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,800
Qué buen programa.

1557
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:55,480
Me encantó.

1558
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,480
Nos quedamos con ganas de más, como siempre.

1559
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:58,480
Pues tendremos más.

1560
01:07:58,480 --> 01:07:59,480
Tendremos más.

1561
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:00,480
Tendremos más.

1562
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,520
Y nos quedamos con la afirmación de,

1563
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:03,440
afirmación es bonita.

1564
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:04,480
Tenemos 30 segundos.

1565
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,600
Soy amado, soy bendecido, si merezco amor del bonito.

1566
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:09,520
Exactamente.

1567
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,640
Si merezco amor del bonito, del verdadero amor.

1568
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,160
Y tengo la capacidad de cambiar.

1569
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,120
Tengo la capacidad de reinventarme.

1570
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,560
Aceptación de cambio constante en todo momento.

1571
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,000
Y otra que también me encantaría compartirles que es

1572
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,440
hacer consciente nuestro amor de todos los días.

1573
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:29,840
Porque ese es un motor que hace que cambias al instante.

1574
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:30,240
OK.

1575
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,840
Y soy un ser capaz de aprender y crecer diario.

1576
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,080
Las palabras curan las palabras enfermas.

1577
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:36,480
Las palabras curan o enferman.

1578
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:37,040
Curemonos.

1579
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:37,720
Gracias.

1580
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:38,640
Hasta mañana.

1581
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,880
Alcanza tu máximo potencial.

1582
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:43,880
Marcuantona Regina en Fórmula.

1583
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:51,920
Esta fue una producción de Grupo Fórmula.

1584
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,120
With the lucky landslides, you can get lucky just about

1585
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,520
anywhere.

1586
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,200
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1587
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,120
We've got clear runway and the weather is fine.

1588
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,320
But we're just going to circle up here a while and get lucky.

1589
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:04,520
No, no, nothing like that.

1590
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,480
It's just these cash prizes add up quick.

1591
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:09,680
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1592
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,440
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