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Hey, this is Climate to Action, a California State University, San Marcos student podcast.

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My name is Saturn.

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I'm the current team manager of Climate to Action and a student at CSUSM.

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Today we're bringing you a special episode, freshly unearthed from our archives.

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It's collected a little dust, but the discussion is still relevant.

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In this episode, you'll hear from students of years past, recorded at the dawn of this

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podcast as they share a lively discussion about the climate crisis, climate-related

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protests and art.

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But first, we'd like to remind you that Climate to Action is here to amplify voices and explore

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solutions in the fight against the climate crisis and to address climate injustice for

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all living things.

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We are committed to incorporating discussions on Indigenous knowledge in addressing the

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climate crisis and in providing a call to action in every episode.

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First, we'd like to acknowledge that our recording studio is located on the traditional

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territory of the Luiseno-Payocuichum people.

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CSUSM and its surrounding area are still home to the six federally recognized bands of the

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Alhoya, Pala, Palma, Pechanga, Rincon and Ceboba-Luiseno-Payocuichum people.

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It is also important to acknowledge this land remains the shared space among the Cumpenio,

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Cumayai and Ipai peoples.

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So without further ado, let's see what students before us were really thinking.

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My name's Katie.

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I'm Buchanan.

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Today we're going to be talking about climate crisis.

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Oh, love it.

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Love freaking out about how the world's going to explode.

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Absolutely terrifying, but hopefully we can work some stuff out.

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I really do hope so.

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Get to the bottom of this.

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Climate crisis.

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Why should we care?

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Why should anybody care about, you know, our planet?

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Well, I care personally.

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I'm a POC, person of color.

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I'm a student of color.

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And I've taken this like a couple of years learning about, you know, myself as a person

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and the people around me to really figure out how I'm going to help socially.

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And one of the things that stuck out to me the most that I, strangely enough, came across

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in my women's health class was discussing how climate crisis affects people disproportionately.

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Like it's an interesting dynamic because you think that, oh, we all live on the planet

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so we all feel the effects, but some feel it more than others.

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Specifically like lower colored in class communities.

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That's usually the people who suffer a lot more.

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Right, right.

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And as college students, we kind of see all of that.

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We see great amount of diversity, you know, here at San Marcos specifically too.

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So taking all that into account while we're here is a big deal.

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I didn't get my eyes open to this until I was in college either.

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Big experience is how I'll describe it.

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Cause like, you know, we all learn about social change, right?

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We're all talking about how we create social justice for those around us.

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But the weirdest part was like hearing how social justice is also climate justice.

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Like the weird dichotomy between the two of like how they play into one another, that

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intersectionality of it all.

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And that's the most like, I guess baffling part of it all.

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You know, how much they actually go hand in hand.

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Industrial, technological, all of these advancements, they all come at a price and we are constantly

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paying that price without even knowing.

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We live in this unaware state.

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We are so disconnected from where these resources are coming from that we're using to progress

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society that if we don't see it, we're not thinking about it.

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And I think that it's time to show everyone what they're not seeing.

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So the out of sight, out of mind thing.

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Exactly.

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I think that's the most frustrating part because college is a bubble.

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Unfortunately, for everyone who thought they were like super woke or were like an adult

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now, we're living in the very strangest kind of bubble.

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That's where like all the adverse things of society are one heightened or lessened.

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And then we're all like bonding in a place because we're all lost, you know?

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College is like a place of a bunch of lost adults to figure out who they want to be.

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But hearing about like the social justice and how climate justice is the same, I think

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being on college is the place to be for it because you learn about how they intersect

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and all the minute details in between them, how people like me or people who are native

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to a land or people who are suffering from, you know, class inequality, how they are truly

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affected because I feel like outside of school, you don't really get that objective knowledge.

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It's hard to say, which is weird to say.

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Because you were just saying how in college we're kind of in a bubble, but we're still

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getting that knowledge that is not going to be found anywhere else.

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That true honesty of letting us know what is really going on in the world.

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Because it's like, I feel like we all understand that if you control the knowledge, you control

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the people.

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So like being on a college campus, even though most are either left or right leaning, I feel

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like it's a place where you can actually, it's not pushed by an agenda because like

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a lot of the information we see on climate crisis or like helping the earth, it's always

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based in an agenda for somebody else, for some bigger company, some bigger organization

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who's claiming to help, but in reality they're just feeding back into the problem.

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Like virtually signaling them trying to repackage things to make more money because they're

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trying to convince the consumer that it's eco-friendly, that they're making a difference

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and that's just not what's happening.

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I think it's frustrating.

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Absolutely.

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It's very frustrating being a person of color who's suffering because like people of color

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already are already suffering.

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They go through difficult times all the time, like just simply trying to walk out and be

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yourself is a problem for a lot of people.

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But what I've found is like being able to share like trauma bond, unfortunately, is

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something that I can understand.

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Like we can all trauma bond over like, hey, the planet is dying and that means we all

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might die.

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Like I think that's a fair statement to make, right?

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I've seen groups come together before to trauma bond, but I feel like this is one of the few

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times it's going to, everyone's going to come together and potentially...

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Like all people can trauma bond over this.

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It's not like specific groups who are like, oh, we understand it.

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We get it.

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We should all look at each other and be like, no, we all understand that the earth is dying.

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But what are we going to do?

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Facts.

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Well, I'm just a guy.

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So I'm an actor by trade, but I love, you know, people and I love the planet because

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without people or the planet, I can't act.

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So there's the problem.

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That's the issue at hand.

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So like, Katie, what are some of like the solutions or things that you've come across

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that have been like small things that we can do to help?

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These might sound simple, but there's just certain things we can do, like really paying

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attention to our waste and maybe even collecting it all over a week and just seeing how much

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we are consuming and putting out into the world as individuals.

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I did a lot.

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A lot of my interest in this topic came from being involved in the carbon credit market.

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So I'm a business student and the carbon credit market basically consists of people being

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able to pay to become carbon neutral.

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And usually these carbon credits are backed up by planting trees or doing something that's

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going to help the overall like ecological state of the world.

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But very often businesses will try to just cut by giving money to the California cap

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and trade program or whatever program carbon credits goes through.

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And they are able to just get away by saying that they're carbon neutral and they're not

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making any fixes to their output of GHG emissions or anything like that.

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So I think that as individuals, the more aware we are of our carbon output, how much we are

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taking of, you know, from the world, that's going to put us in a state of mind where we're

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constantly more aware of our presence and our impact.

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So I see.

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So do you think it's like a moral injustice that businesses, I guess, like virtue bait

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us in that way?

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It's an ethical issue.

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It's a moral issue.

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It goes against our values, but it's not being talked about.

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And I think that's why I mentioned this a little bit earlier, but people are throwing

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soup on van Gogh paintings instead.

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And that's because it's not being talked about.

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We are willing to preserve art and history, but we are not willing to preserve our world

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that we live on.

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I think that's a great point because it's like, what do we really value as people?

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You know what I mean?

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And like, don't get me wrong, art and history are very important.

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Things are great.

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I love both of those things.

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Those things are a necessity to function as a society.

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And I feel like we lose focus on what's really important.

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You know, we, for the sake of art, for the sake of history, we like drop things.

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You know what I mean?

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We put things under the rug or sweep it away in hopes that, hey, maybe we'll just outgrow

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It's kind of narcissistic.

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We want to look so good to the people in front of us, but they're only going to look down

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on us and think, what were they doing?

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I just think it's crazy that we preserve history, yet the history that we're creating is not

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good.

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We're preserving it for people who aren't even here today.

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True.

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I mean, there's a lot to unpack because it's like, I understand the attack on the paintings.

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I understand the purpose and the point behind it.

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Do I think it was the correct action?

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Me personally, I wouldn't attack beautiful art because that's not me.

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I understand why they did it though.

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And I feel like drastic measures need to be taken.

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I mean, in that manner, I don't know.

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In that sense, I don't know.

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I don't know personally, but I do think it's important to stand up.

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I think that there's something that can be done that brings the same amount of shock

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without destroying something so personal to some people as well, which is art can have

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that kind of impact on people.

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I find it strange sometimes that we have to get to these points, especially for something

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that we all share.

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We share the planet, then it's gotten to this point of now slight acts of violence are starting

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to become a thing in the name of peace, which is like, I don't know.

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I don't know how to feel about that part.

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That part is where I'm conflicted because I get it.

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Fight the good fight.

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Can I say something?

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Oh, this is Jay.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Because I was listening to this whole thing.

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I feel like people are taking that aspect of history within itself and trying to frame

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it around, they've been the planet and this and that.

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And I feel like that's where it's just the common sense of it, I feel like has left.

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Because like you said, there are people who look at like groups like activists, groups

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like this that are like they're trying to save the planet, but yet they're destroying

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historical paintings.

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Now you're looking down upon instead of I personally probably would have taken those

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paintings and been like, look, like we saving this, but we're not saving our planet.

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It's more of a historical.

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And I feel like too, since now social media is such a big thing now.

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You got TikTok, you got Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, you see this more.

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So now future generations and then they're going to think and then 15, 20 years from

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now as our planet is continuing to die, where are the other, you know, historical things

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that kind of brought community art brought people together, which in within art, if you

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really look at art, it's there's reason why that they made art is to messages like, hey,

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look, this is what the future will look like.

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You know, this is what the planet will see.

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You know what I'm saying?

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And it's I feel like, yeah, you got the most delicate ones like Van Gogh, but then you

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also got ones that are very like outward and worldly and just showing us as a people, you

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know, that like this is why we're here together because we're on this beautiful planet to

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take the time to listen to art music.

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Right.

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You don't need to decrease the value of other things to increase the value of things you

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want people to look at.

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I think that's something that history has shown us like lots of times that we see in

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like I keep bringing it up, but like social movements, like they tried to lower the value

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of very brave men like MLK, even Rosa Parks, they tried to lower her value by saying she

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was just like a criminal.

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She was just some crazy black woman who sat on the bus on purpose to try to make them

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seem like they were inciting violence, but to actually incite violence.

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I feel like that pulls away from the cause.

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I mean, it's like it does the opposite of what we hope for.

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And I feel like as people, as college people, as, you know, young minds fresh from molding

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or whatever, I feel like it's our job to differentiate between like protesting and then being violent

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or being abrasive or being seeded in a negative light.

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Cause like at the end of the day, it is a social, it's a social issue.

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Right.

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So that means you're up for judgment by the people that you're trying to change.

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Right.

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And if you're, if you're conflicting with their, the way that they view the world so

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much, what are you, you're not communicating.

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You're not gaining anything.

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No, you're just creating more issues.

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You're screaming into the void.

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They're not listening.

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They stopped listening because you, you messed up their pinning with soup.

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You know, like rejected your insecurities about how the way you feel about something

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which somebody else's insecurities is going to deflect it.

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And then now you have these two arguments going back and back and back, you know, it's

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like, I'm right.

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I'm right.

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I'm right.

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Exactly.

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Instead of, I understand what you're saying.

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I may not agree, but how can I help and support you?

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Exactly.

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I feel like finding common ground is the first place to start.

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And I think the common ground is that we all live on earth.

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And I think it should start there from a really human place.

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Cause I feel like a lot of people are just like on the attack already for a lot of social

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movements, including, you know, climate crisis.

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It's like everyone is always on the attack.

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You know what I mean?

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But wars and battles like this aren't one through brute force or strength.

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They're one through the humanity of it all of like dropping your weapons and trying to

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release your pride and just being like, Hey, I'm a person, you're a person.

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And we're going through something that we both can understand.

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How do we get from here?

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That was beautifully said.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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No, finding that common ground.

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That's just the number one thing we need to be doing right now.

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You know, is really just really understanding.

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We're all here together.

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Why are we polarizing?

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Where's the polarization coming from?

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