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Welcome back to the Lawn Hustle Podcast. The

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show where we help lawn care pros, outdoor service

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hustlers, and the green industry entrepreneurs

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level up their business, their mindset, and their

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profit. Today we're diving into a big one, how

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to use social media to market your business.

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whether you're running one mower or a full fleet.

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Social media is one of the most powerful tools

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to build your brand, to get leads, and to create

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a community around your work. And to break it

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down tonight, we have a special guest, Chris,

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from Beater Mowers Life. Chris welcome to the

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lawn hustle. Thank you for joining the show Yes,

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sir before we get into Strategies, let me tell

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our listeners that Chris has 60 ,000 600 followers

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on Instagram. I remember when he started his

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Instagram and it was zero and it took off to

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60 ,600 followers tonight. Before we get into

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strategies, I want to start with your journey.

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How did social media first become part of your

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life and what platform? gave you your first real

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breakthrough? Well I started out actually doing

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the social media for the company I work for and

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it all kind of played into me getting onto my

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mower that smoked like crazy and I kind of said

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hey there's no one that does anything about beat

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up mowers on Instagram let me just try this out

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And it literally was just a tryout. I was like,

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you know what? I'll put it up. Whatever happens,

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happens. I really am not ambitious. I'm ambitious

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to do this, but if it doesn't go anywhere, well,

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it doesn't go anywhere. So put it up. And in

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a couple weeks, I had a couple hundred followers.

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And I thought it was just about old mowers, but

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people started sending me videos and pictures

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of their new mowers. It was kind of weird, I

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guess to say it was kind of weird, but it was

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kind of fun. I'd seen a lot of different things

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and it was pretty crazy to see how people interacted.

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And I had my personal channel, I was following

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a bunch of lawn care guys anyways because I love

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it. It's my escape. Everyone else does it for

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a job, I do it for an escape. And so I just started

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kind of following people, people started following

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me. And I kept my face off of it. I thought it

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was just gonna be about beater mowers. I didn't

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put my face on it. And I started out, I did a

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crispy edges competition between three people.

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And we crowned a king of the crispy edges. And

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then the guys that were involved said, hey, we

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should do this bigger. And I said, sure, no problem.

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If I get to 1 ,000 followers, I will do it. And

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I figured I had a year. All of a sudden, like

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three weeks later, I have a thousand followers.

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And I'm like, oh, now I got to actually do this.

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So I reached out, got some sponsors, got some

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prizes. And we ran the competition with 20 different

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people, submitted a crispy edges to win. And

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we crowned the winner. They got about, I don't

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know, like $1300, $1400 in prizes. And that's

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kind of how the community aspect started popping

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into the site and becoming more of a community

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-based platform. And it exploded from there.

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I don't even know how it exploded. I don't even

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know how it took off like it did. I still look

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back and go, I don't really understand. I still

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don't understand how it did it, but it did. And

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it was exciting. It really was. well if i remember

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i was one of your first followers i followed

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you right when you first started your page and

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i have watched your journey i wish my instagram

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would take off like yours did um but i enjoy

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your content i want you to know that i appreciate

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your content and i appreciate all you do for

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the green industry I know you're not a lawn care

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business owner, but you are a part of this community.

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And we appreciate all you do for our community.

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You know, you just gave me chills. Seriously,

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you just gave me chills. That was... I don't...

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Many people have said it to me, but that one

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just completely gave me chills. That was awesome.

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Thank you. Oh, you're welcome. And it's heartfelt

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because I'm sincere. You know, a lot of people

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can try to do stuff for an industry and if they

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never hear words of appreciation, they can feel

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like they're not a part of it. But I want you

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to know you are a part of the green industry.

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So let's talk about picking the right platform.

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Because every lawn care pro here's be everywhere

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Be on tik -tok be on Facebook be on Instagram

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be on YouTube be everywhere But that's not always

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realistic It's a lot of work to post content

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Especially if you try to do it daily It's a lot

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of work by the time you video You edit you upload

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you add music You add your hashtags, you add

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your post description. It can be time consuming.

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So which platform do you feel like is the most

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valuable right now for lawn care pros or other

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service based industries? Is it? Facebook, is

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it Instagram, is it TikTok, is it YouTube? In

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your opinion, which one's the best that we should

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try to focus on? It depends on what you're looking

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for. If you're looking for showing a great amount

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of content, a great amount of information, explaining

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a process very highly, you want to go to YouTube.

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You want to have the shorts and the longs for

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that kind of stuff. But that's an investment

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in time. That's a huge investment in time. So

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you're looking at taking 30, 40 minutes of video

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and then editing it down to two to five minutes,

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showing the stuff, explaining stuff, having the

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right angle, doing all the right things. So you

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can take up to two to three hours just to create

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one video for YouTube. Then you have your quick

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platform. I call it the quick is TikTok. Has

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a lot of features you take a video and you can

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hit an edit button and it does all kinds of different

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Effects to it remixes it for you and does all

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of it So I call it the quick platform is real

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easy to do and what's good about that You can

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drop it back into Facebook and to Instagram it

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leaves the watermark on it that it's a tick -tock

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But it's a quick it's a quick form then you get

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into the Facebook in the Instagram now Instagram

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I we'll say is for the younger generation a lot

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more, so the sub 30 generation. Facebook is still

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our generation, like the Gen Xers and the Boomers,

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right? They still use Facebook a lot. Those are

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intertwined with each other. And if you're gonna

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be creating content, create one of those platforms

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and link them between the two, and you'll easily

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just double your bank for your buck, right? Because

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you create on Instagram and you can automatically

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save it to send to Facebook. It's simple easy

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and quick But I always tell everyone everyone

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gets too wrapped up on the time All right, I

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created a 10 -minute video. I have to cut it

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down to 30 seconds Don't don't get caught up

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in that do time lapses and things like that,

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but your best platform for quick results The

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quickest results is TikTok. But you're not gonna

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get a lot of customers if you're gonna look for

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a customer -based environment. So if you wanna

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show your online resume, TikTok is not the place

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to go. You wanna be Instagram and Facebook. Everyone

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has it, everyone looks at it, and it doesn't

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get as lost as it does in, say, TikTok. Well

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let me ask you this, Chris. How do you decide

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what type of content that you want to create?

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That's a good question. It is whatever comes

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to my mind that day. Whatever pops up in my head.

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I might have seen a video that triggered something

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for me to do something creative with. Now I tend

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to, I mean it's just my lawn. It's just my property

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that I'm taking videos on the mower and the trimmer.

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But I try to take different angles and different

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things, and I can use it in multiple different

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places. So I will take a hyperlapse of maybe

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me cutting stripes, right? But I can take that

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video and cut it into other stuff and kind of

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build on what I have. I actually had a really

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great discussion this morning. I actually was

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on the phone for about three hours this morning

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with a gentleman. kind of asking the same questions

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and that's what really came to me like this is

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what a good topic would be and he asked so how

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long do you take to create a video I said well

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I have all my stock stuff and if it takes me

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more than five minutes I'm not doing it I have

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it in my head what I want I'm not chasing a trend

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I'm not chasing a music trend I'm not a certain

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audio I'm not chasing whatever feels good for

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that day I mean you'll hear anything from you

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know, classic rock to Five Finger Death Punch

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to Pantera, down to like Frank Sinatra. I mean,

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it all... I'm a music buff. I like music, so...

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I'm searching for music. Like, I'm searching

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for stuff that kind of matches the video. It

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kind of goes along with the video. I mean, there's

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a lot of artists out there that I've never been

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heard of, but I find them and I use their music

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because I think it's great. And... I build it

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that way, you know, build it from me. And if

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you like it, congratulations, thank you so much

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for liking it, but I build it for me first. It's

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what I like, it's what my music is, it's what

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I care about, and I'm not gonna go and chase

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a trend just to try to get likes and views. Mine

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is just, if you like it, great, if you don't

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like it, okay, I'm all right with that. So would

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you agree that... people overthink content and

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don't post because they feel like they're not

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creative enough or they don't have expensive

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equipment. What would you say to someone who

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is wanting to create but they feel like, well,

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I don't have the DJI mics, I don't have the road

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mics, I don't have this or that or the camera?

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What would you say to them? Grab your iPhone,

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grab your Android, and go to town. I have high

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-end cameras that I have for the stuff that I

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do for work. I have the mirrorless Sony super

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duper cameras, right? I have DSLRs. I have all

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these great cameras. Every piece of content that

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I've created for Peter Morse life. It's been

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on my iPhone. That's it. I have cheap mics that

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I don't need a DJI mic. I have decent mics that

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cost me 60 bucks, easy enough. I have a tripod

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that has a magnetic back mount on it. And it's

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light, becomes a selfie stick, it becomes, it's

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a tripod. That's all I use. I don't use anything

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elaborate. And I see, and this is the thing I

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saw. And I see every time I go to Equip, you

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got guys out there with the high, you know, the

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microphones, the, you know, the GoPros and all

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the high end cameras. And I'm like, now you got

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to take all that off of that device, put it on

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the computer, and then edit your stuff. I mean,

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I edit right on my phone. Like everything is

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done on my phone. I do not go extremely crazy.

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like I said if it takes more than five minutes

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to edit then it's not worth it because what if

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you have that you know you spend an hour hour

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and a half two hours doing a video and you got

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it down perfect the music's right everything's

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great and it bombs that's the first thing that's

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gonna throw you into that spiral of can I really

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do this anymore and I think that's something

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a lot of people have to get out of their head

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You either hit or you don't hit it's gonna be

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that every day. There is I think there's 85 or

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95 million Instagram subscribers, right? Everyone's

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posting all day long. I mean you look at your

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feed You just use you scroll down one second

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and your whole feeds refreshed again So don't

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spend the crazy amount of time editing but I

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also say Be yourself when you're doing it. Don't

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go crazy. I don't know how to say this. Don't

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go super elaborate. Start small before you go

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big. That's all I say. I had one video. I recorded

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myself chomping up leaves, or mulching up leaves

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is the industry terminology. I said chomping

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up. But anyways, I was... chomping up leaves

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and uh at my house stuck my iphone on a tripod

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and just recorded myself it wasn't my best recording

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but i got 463 000 views off that one 10 second

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video and it wasn't my best but People like seeing

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lawn care businesses out there and they love

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seeing that instant gratification of that clean

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spot where you just mulched over a bunch of leaves

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or those stripes in the spring that pop and stand

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Peter. Let me ask you this, Chris. We're talking

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about social media. What post has consistently

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brought you the most views, the most likes, the

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most shares? Is there anything in particular

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that you can post maybe several times and it

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just blows up every time? Dumb stuff Not gonna

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lie to you guys falling out of trees You know

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guys getting them over stuck in ditches those

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are the things that just hit people want to see

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destruction they want to see and I always I call

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it dumb stuff and it's called dumb stuff and

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dumb luck because That's the stuff that I've

00:18:48.420 --> 00:18:50.809
gotten the greatest views on I'm serious, it's

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crazy. I probably get more followers from posting

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a PSA about cutting a tree with a chainsaw off

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a ladder than me showing incredible stripes.

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It's just how it works. Some people just don't

00:19:09.089 --> 00:19:10.670
want to see stripes anymore, they want to see

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dumb stuff. But I've posted inspirational stuff

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that has gotten over... Inspirational post that

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I've had a couple of them that hit over over

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a million and a half That were just inspirational

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type post nice But I've had I mean, I don't want

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to be on horn, but there's been maybe 60 or 70

00:19:34.380 --> 00:19:38.259
that have gone over a million and But the ones

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that were over a million with the ones that were

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not mined particularly it was maybe something

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that something was sent to me and I cut it up

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Did my remixing that I would normally do to make

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it look a little bit different make it look a

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little better You know slow -motion certain sections

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that like focus on a certain spot But and then

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I have a bunch of collabs that have done over

00:20:01.049 --> 00:20:04.269
a million also I mean of I mean it was one with

00:20:04.269 --> 00:20:07.029
my buddy from trim twin Brooke up in wealthy

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a mass They were it was a fourth of July thing

00:20:11.289 --> 00:20:14.599
and it had his One of his work is there and dumping

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rock into the back of a truck and there was stone

00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:21.519
dust everywhere a thing got like I think 18 19

00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:24.299
million views because we're saying how he was

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gonna die of silica poisoning because of all

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the stone dust and it just things just take off

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and Some things it's some things that you know,

00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:37.599
you think should take off don't go anywhere But

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that's the truth Yeah, and I try I do recycle

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content because I mean obviously we're gonna

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hit the winter and well, it's called recycle

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time for me too because You only have so much

00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:54.579
you can put up My advantage point being in the

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position I am with my site is I have people from

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around the world So I have my South African guys

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my Australian guys my South America guys that

00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:06.119
are gonna be pushing content to me and Collaborating

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and sending it to me and let me cut it up. So

00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:13.440
I do have that advantage on my site but I encourage

00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:17.759
anyone who's doing any lawn care is video all

00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:20.779
they can you know the tripod is a beautiful thing

00:21:20.779 --> 00:21:24.160
put it in the lawn and just cut you catch what

00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:26.440
you catch you catch what you don't catch I mean

00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:29.599
you might be mowing for a half an hour and you

00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:33.619
realize the phone fell over three seconds into

00:21:33.619 --> 00:21:37.099
you mowing you didn't see it fall I mean I posted

00:21:37.099 --> 00:21:40.240
those videos I call them my fails and you see

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Then I'll cut out the whole span of the being

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on the ground and it'll be the video of me picking

00:21:44.619 --> 00:21:48.259
it up going, well, I lost half an hour of content.

00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:53.380
But the fails are good too. Showing the failures

00:21:53.380 --> 00:21:57.480
is also a great thing because it's not all peaches

00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:00.380
and cream out there. You know you have a hard

00:22:00.380 --> 00:22:02.220
day. You know that you're out there and you're

00:22:02.220 --> 00:22:05.859
cutting and the belt goes. And you gotta walk

00:22:05.859 --> 00:22:07.759
back to the truck and you realize you don't have

00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.539
an extra belt so now you're... Now you're leaving

00:22:10.539 --> 00:22:11.920
the motor at the customer site. You're going

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down the shop and picking up another belt Those

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are the things that I encourage all the guys

00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:21.279
that are doing long care to post Post the fail

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post the things that happen is every time you

00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:30.259
do these posts It is the it makes things magical

00:22:30.259 --> 00:22:34.319
for everyone to see it's not easy all the time

00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:37.839
You know you have guys out there that are posting

00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:40.779
stripes every day. Well It's not like that every

00:22:40.779 --> 00:22:42.579
day. You're not going to get a perfect lawn every

00:22:42.579 --> 00:22:45.279
day. I mean, if everyone had a perfect lawn,

00:22:46.779 --> 00:22:51.019
it would be really boring, in my opinion. Because

00:22:51.019 --> 00:22:54.059
if you think about it, you're going to get lawns

00:22:54.059 --> 00:22:56.500
that are full of weeds. But if you can take that

00:22:56.500 --> 00:22:58.900
lawn and make it look good full of weeds, you're

00:22:58.900 --> 00:23:03.019
a good landscaper. I mean, my lawn two years

00:23:03.019 --> 00:23:06.279
ago was weed central. But I still put stripes

00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:08.759
into it. It still looked good. It was green.

00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:12.740
I mean, that's all I can say, it was green. But,

00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.420
you know, that's the focus everyone has to do

00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:19.880
is focus on your everyday life and get out from

00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:25.059
behind the camera. If you're gonna make your

00:23:25.059 --> 00:23:28.480
Instagram or your Facebook account a business

00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:33.960
-focused environment, it's your online resume.

00:23:34.380 --> 00:23:37.480
It's what people are going to go and see. You're

00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:39.680
gonna tell a customer, Hey, if you want to see

00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:42.200
some of my work, here's my Instagram, here's

00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.000
my Facebook, go scroll through it. But if you

00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.559
make your site exclusively business, make sure

00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:52.619
you keep it exclusively business. If you want

00:23:52.619 --> 00:23:54.640
to have a fun page, or you can say like, you

00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:58.539
know, Peter Moore's Life, you know, fun page.

00:23:59.660 --> 00:24:01.660
That way you can post the funny stuff, you can

00:24:01.660 --> 00:24:03.980
post the memes, you can post all the stuff that

00:24:03.980 --> 00:24:07.019
kind of, you know, makes you feel good and happy.

00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:10.640
But if you want to call yourself a business page,

00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:17.180
keep it all business. Don't post political stuff.

00:24:17.579 --> 00:24:22.579
Don't post anything that can cause a problem.

00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:26.700
It can cause people to get angry. Because I've

00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:30.599
made mistakes and posted some stuff that I thought

00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:34.740
was a good thing to post. But it turned out to

00:24:34.740 --> 00:24:38.119
backfire. You know, I posted something a year

00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:44.200
ago in June, and it backfired really bad. It

00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:46.640
dropped about a thousand followers in less than

00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:52.039
24 hours. Wow. Because I said something that

00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:54.880
I thought was very good to say in our community,

00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:59.240
and I had a lot of people that disagreed with

00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:03.039
me. And the comments I received... The nasty

00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:06.200
things I received on DMs and on the post was

00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:09.500
just, I had to delete the post. It was, people

00:25:09.500 --> 00:25:15.819
were just so nasty to me and I was like, I can't,

00:25:16.019 --> 00:25:18.359
I'm done. And one guy responded to me, oh what,

00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:21.000
it took all of us yelling at you to take the

00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:23.880
post down. I'm like, I just didn't want to deal

00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:25.980
with the comments anymore. I said they were just

00:25:25.980 --> 00:25:28.119
so negative and this is not the place we live

00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:32.420
in. and I always say it too on all the videos

00:25:32.420 --> 00:25:34.339
that I do and stuff like that, people that come

00:25:34.339 --> 00:25:36.599
in and make political comments, I literally just

00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.059
tell them, I'm hiding your comment because I

00:25:39.059 --> 00:25:42.420
think it doesn't belong here. This is an escape.

00:25:42.740 --> 00:25:47.400
This site is an escape from real life. It is

00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:51.319
to have fun, get away, have a laugh, learn something,

00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.839
and just share it in the community and build

00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.579
each other up. Well, there's one thing I've noticed

00:25:57.579 --> 00:26:03.599
about your content. If a video isn't yours, you

00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:08.059
always give credit to who produced that video.

00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.920
What is the importance of that in your opinion?

00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:17.720
It's extremely important to pass that credit

00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:20.839
back because those are the people that created

00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:24.980
the content that took their time to make the

00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:28.119
content and they used their editing skills. They

00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:31.549
did what they had to do. Even if someone sends

00:26:31.549 --> 00:26:34.509
me the video and asks me to do the edit form,

00:26:35.890 --> 00:26:38.470
the right, I mean, first of all, it's not automatically

00:26:38.470 --> 00:26:40.890
a collaboration. There's no questions asked,

00:26:40.890 --> 00:26:43.029
it's not a tag. It's a collaboration instantaneously

00:26:43.029 --> 00:26:46.269
if you send me something. But I take the video

00:26:46.269 --> 00:26:49.390
and I cut it up, I do everything. The first line

00:26:49.390 --> 00:26:53.529
in the comment is the person's name, their handle.

00:26:54.150 --> 00:26:57.490
That needs to be up front in the right at the

00:26:57.490 --> 00:27:00.180
beginning because, It gives someone an opportunity

00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:03.519
to click on their name and go and follow and

00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:07.059
comment on their stuff. And that's how I try

00:27:07.059 --> 00:27:10.019
to put it out there. If I find something that's

00:27:10.019 --> 00:27:12.000
a guy falling out a tree, I try to go as far

00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:13.960
back as possible to find the original creator.

00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.079
And if I can't, you'll see it in the comments.

00:27:18.019 --> 00:27:20.720
Original creator could not be found. Pulled it

00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:23.380
off of this page. So that way, if the original

00:27:23.380 --> 00:27:26.279
creator sees it, They can go back to the page

00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:28.720
that I pulled it off of and go talk to them and

00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:33.279
say, hey, you didn't tag me in this. But I encourage

00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:38.500
everyone to share each other's stuff too. I try

00:27:38.500 --> 00:27:42.019
to often to get people to get into that and say,

00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:46.819
hey, go out and pick 10 people today and share

00:27:46.819 --> 00:27:50.599
them to your story and tag them. And to kind

00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:52.779
of bring people to go look at other people's

00:27:52.779 --> 00:27:55.700
content to like follow other people and enjoy

00:27:55.700 --> 00:28:00.519
their content, too Well, I want to say I appreciate

00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:05.799
the authenticity of your page I Think it's very

00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:08.640
important. Like you said give credit to where

00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:13.099
credit is due You know, I had a guy in my city

00:28:13.099 --> 00:28:16.740
That was doing Facebook post in our local groups

00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:22.259
and he was using pictures of my work. When I

00:28:22.259 --> 00:28:25.400
was scrolling through what's happening in Newcastle,

00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:29.779
Indiana, I saw his post and I recognized that

00:28:29.779 --> 00:28:32.880
house and I got to looking. Well, that's the

00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:36.680
rock job I did, or that's the mulch job that

00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:40.920
we did, or that's the fence I built. So he's

00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:45.200
using my pictures, advertising that he can do.

00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:50.519
the quality of work that I do, and if you're

00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:55.119
not careful, those kind of situations can bite

00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:59.119
you and they can bite you very hard. Because

00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:01.640
if you get a job and you really don't know how

00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:05.559
to do it, it's going to show. And then people

00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:09.420
will know that you're not the one doing it. So

00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:13.440
I appreciate the authenticity of your page. It

00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:17.519
really means a lot to me that you're giving credit

00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:23.220
to where credit is due. So let me ask you this.

00:29:23.740 --> 00:29:27.660
Is it more important to focus on high quality

00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:33.579
content or posting consistently? Consistently

00:29:33.579 --> 00:29:38.019
posting is what you need to do to hit that algorithm.

00:29:38.849 --> 00:29:41.269
Now, and when I say consistently post, that doesn't

00:29:41.269 --> 00:29:44.230
mean you have to post 10 times a day. That means,

00:29:44.410 --> 00:29:46.549
if you're gonna post three times a week, and

00:29:46.549 --> 00:29:48.230
you're gonna do it Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

00:29:48.809 --> 00:29:51.769
Do it every Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Get on

00:29:51.769 --> 00:29:54.369
that consistency, that way people that start

00:29:54.369 --> 00:29:57.569
following you will know, oh, I'm, he was gonna

00:29:57.569 --> 00:30:00.569
put out a new video on Wednesday, so cool, it's

00:30:00.569 --> 00:30:02.430
gonna pop up in my feed, and I'm gonna get to

00:30:02.430 --> 00:30:05.769
see a really cool video. That's where... I tell

00:30:05.769 --> 00:30:09.049
people consistency matters. If you can sustain

00:30:09.049 --> 00:30:14.609
one a day, that's it. You gotta do it. You can't

00:30:14.609 --> 00:30:19.450
lax out. I take time off. There's during vacations,

00:30:19.529 --> 00:30:23.930
I take time off from doing content. But what

00:30:23.930 --> 00:30:26.430
I've done is I scheduled everything during vacation

00:30:26.430 --> 00:30:29.009
to come out. I'm not gonna be commenting and

00:30:29.009 --> 00:30:32.450
responding to comments on video, but there'll

00:30:32.450 --> 00:30:37.609
be content going out every day. And that's the

00:30:37.609 --> 00:30:41.910
most important thing. It's not about, and I'm

00:30:41.910 --> 00:30:44.230
gonna say, it's gonna sound bad when I say this,

00:30:44.450 --> 00:30:47.750
it's not about high quality content. It's about

00:30:47.750 --> 00:30:53.470
good content, engaging content in 15, 20 seconds.

00:30:53.829 --> 00:30:56.410
That's it. Because you're not gonna catch to

00:30:56.410 --> 00:31:03.269
one side. Consistency is the key. Yes. Yep. Because

00:31:03.269 --> 00:31:09.049
the algorithm likes consistency if you if you

00:31:09.049 --> 00:31:13.130
if you're like say you post every day three reels

00:31:13.130 --> 00:31:16.049
a day for an entire week and then don't do anything

00:31:16.049 --> 00:31:20.089
for the next two weeks you fall off it's proven

00:31:20.089 --> 00:31:23.470
fact the marketing group that we use for my company

00:31:23.470 --> 00:31:27.410
I have a direct link to all the research all

00:31:27.410 --> 00:31:32.789
the market status market data for Instagram and

00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:36.440
I said you could post once a week as long as

00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:41.460
you post once a week But consistency is the key.

00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.940
Well, let me ask you this What mistakes do you

00:31:45.940 --> 00:31:51.819
see people making? In trying to build their following

00:31:51.819 --> 00:31:56.900
on social media If you could share what you you

00:31:56.900 --> 00:32:00.339
think people are doing wrong, maybe you can help

00:32:00.670 --> 00:32:04.829
some of our listeners grow their page and maybe

00:32:04.829 --> 00:32:08.049
hit that that number where they can start getting

00:32:08.049 --> 00:32:14.589
some revenue from their page it's the interaction

00:32:14.589 --> 00:32:20.230
that is what so don't chase the follower chase

00:32:20.230 --> 00:32:25.569
the interaction a page that may have 5 000 followers

00:32:25.569 --> 00:32:29.069
but you have an interaction rate of over 10 percent

00:32:29.869 --> 00:32:33.650
you hit the mark. That's where you want to be.

00:32:33.970 --> 00:32:36.650
It's if you want to grow your page, growing your

00:32:36.650 --> 00:32:39.630
page is about the interaction. It's about answering

00:32:39.630 --> 00:32:45.809
comments. So example, say you do a mulch job

00:32:45.809 --> 00:32:49.849
and someone comments, boy, that looks really

00:32:49.849 --> 00:32:53.069
awesome. You follow it up with a question. Be

00:32:53.069 --> 00:32:59.220
like, hey, you think it looks great? Is there

00:32:59.220 --> 00:33:03.599
anything that I could have done better? You put

00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:06.059
the ball on the court again, so you get the interaction

00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:08.119
to start happening. You start getting discussions.

00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:10.440
You know, other people see the comments, and

00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:13.359
then they start chiming in. Hey, you know what?

00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:18.599
If you used a pitchfork to spread it over here,

00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.480
you would have saved yourself at least 20 minutes,

00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:24.859
instead of hand throwing. You know, all these

00:33:24.859 --> 00:33:26.880
things, and it starts a conversation. Once you

00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:30.049
start a conversation, People get involved and

00:33:30.049 --> 00:33:35.569
you start growing and people see it more I Call

00:33:35.569 --> 00:33:37.549
there's a lot of guys out there. It's posting

00:33:37.549 --> 00:33:41.549
ghost They literally post something and they're

00:33:41.549 --> 00:33:44.750
gone they're not wait, they don't answer that

00:33:44.750 --> 00:33:49.890
first comment that comes in and That's key You

00:33:49.890 --> 00:33:53.190
answer that first comment that comes in you start

00:33:53.190 --> 00:33:57.059
grabbing that cut that information back Well,

00:33:57.059 --> 00:34:01.019
how important is hooks to get someone that's

00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:09.219
scrolling to stop and watch your video? Highly,

00:34:09.340 --> 00:34:13.900
highly important. If you're going to do, if you

00:34:13.900 --> 00:34:18.760
have a three second clip of just a stripe, you're

00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:20.639
gonna lose it right away. You need something

00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.760
that's gonna snap them into, oh, I wanna see

00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:29.360
the stripe. fade in or a pop of heavy music.

00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:33.380
The other thing, too, is with the music. I'm

00:34:33.380 --> 00:34:35.340
gonna tell you about 60 % of people are not even

00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:37.719
watching the music, we're using the music. I

00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.719
call them the work -in -bathroom scrollers. They're

00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:44.199
sitting at their desk and they're like, they

00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:45.500
don't want people to hear what they're listening.

00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:51.340
So, words are important. People to read, that's

00:34:51.340 --> 00:34:54.619
a hook. So if you're gonna do a voiceover or

00:34:54.619 --> 00:34:56.760
you're gonna talk about something, put the captions

00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.340
in there because that's your hook. Because people

00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:02.440
start reading. Once you start reading, you tend

00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.820
not to stop. And if you get anyone past the three

00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:09.280
second mark, your reel's gonna work. Because

00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:10.940
that's what Instagram's looking at. How long

00:35:10.940 --> 00:35:14.679
is someone sitting on that reel? It's gotta be

00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:18.900
at least three seconds. And if you look into

00:35:18.900 --> 00:35:21.900
your statistics and stuff, you can see that.

00:35:21.929 --> 00:35:24.610
Move to Facebook and Instagram you can look at

00:35:24.610 --> 00:35:27.210
your professional dashboard and see the statistics

00:35:27.210 --> 00:35:31.309
on each Item and you want to see what's the retention

00:35:31.309 --> 00:35:35.349
rate of your of your reel? Now if you start having

00:35:35.349 --> 00:35:38.110
45 minute to a minute reels your retention time

00:35:38.110 --> 00:35:41.210
is going to be probably about 15 seconds So you

00:35:41.210 --> 00:35:43.710
see that number and that's what you want to you

00:35:43.710 --> 00:35:46.469
go to unless it's a video a big video that you're

00:35:46.469 --> 00:35:49.829
describing something and It's more for your customer

00:35:49.829 --> 00:35:53.829
base If you're trying to grow, you're gonna want

00:35:53.829 --> 00:35:56.489
the quicker stuff. You want the snappy, high

00:35:56.489 --> 00:35:59.550
vibrant colors, flashy stuff to draw your attention

00:35:59.550 --> 00:36:04.289
in. But then you have the extreme on that. You

00:36:04.289 --> 00:36:07.670
have guys that literally, it's all flash. And

00:36:07.670 --> 00:36:09.429
you just kind of slide by it because you don't

00:36:09.429 --> 00:36:13.090
really, you know what's gonna happen. Oh, it's

00:36:13.090 --> 00:36:16.090
all flash, it's really nothing there. But the

00:36:16.090 --> 00:36:20.739
three second hook. So it's not. just wanting

00:36:20.739 --> 00:36:26.980
to get views on your page. It's about likes,

00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:35.000
shares, repost, and it's about me or whoever's

00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:41.579
posting responding to comments. And then to really

00:36:41.579 --> 00:36:45.440
get the algorithm going in your favor, it's important

00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:50.239
for me to comment on your post. or share your

00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:57.260
post or like your post save them all of these

00:36:57.260 --> 00:37:00.199
things matter now folks let me just tell you

00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:04.880
we have someone who started with zero and got

00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:09.599
sixty thousand six hundred followers tonight

00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:15.760
so he knows a little about building his followers

00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:21.619
Building his his page and what content gets people's

00:37:21.619 --> 00:37:24.699
attention This has been really good Chris. I

00:37:24.699 --> 00:37:27.599
appreciate you coming on the show I mean, I appreciate

00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:31.860
the value that you are sharing with our listeners

00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:37.219
Let me ask you this what has helped you grow

00:37:37.219 --> 00:37:42.440
your audience the fastest over the last year

00:37:45.210 --> 00:37:49.769
the commitment to the interaction, responding

00:37:49.769 --> 00:37:55.550
to DMs, responding to comments. If someone specifically

00:37:55.550 --> 00:37:58.929
says something on a reel, like, boy, that looks

00:37:58.929 --> 00:38:03.090
good, how'd you do it? That's a comment you have

00:38:03.090 --> 00:38:05.610
to respond to. You're gonna get a lot of people

00:38:05.610 --> 00:38:08.210
say, oh cool, awesome, great, that looks good.

00:38:08.969 --> 00:38:11.570
If someone actually makes a specific comment,

00:38:11.690 --> 00:38:14.329
you need to be on that. I mean, it doesn't have

00:38:14.329 --> 00:38:17.860
to be within five seconds, but you need to be

00:38:17.860 --> 00:38:22.519
into your inbox a lot more often. And the way

00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.619
I've done it and how I encourage people to do

00:38:25.619 --> 00:38:31.019
it is schedule a time during the day. Take a

00:38:31.019 --> 00:38:33.539
time, give yourself a half hour, give yourself

00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:36.739
45 minutes, and go to that every single day.

00:38:37.059 --> 00:38:39.320
That'll keep you on track so you can work all

00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:41.679
day. All right, all right, it's lunchtime. I'm

00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:43.179
gonna have a sandwich, I'm gonna grab a drink.

00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:47.139
I'm going to scroll through my DMs, make sure

00:38:47.139 --> 00:38:51.019
I answer all my DMs, and go through all of your

00:38:51.019 --> 00:38:53.480
comments. You know, if you're only posting a

00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:57.679
couple a day, it's easy to do. I mean, I'm posting

00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.460
7, 8, 9, 10 a day, so it's a little more labor

00:39:01.460 --> 00:39:06.260
-intusive, but my job allows me to do that. I

00:39:06.260 --> 00:39:08.719
have a lot of downtime. I'm watching things happen.

00:39:09.099 --> 00:39:12.780
I can scroll and respond to comments. Once you

00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:16.820
get a reel that hits or a viral reel, you can

00:39:16.820 --> 00:39:19.000
stop commenting You don't have to keep going

00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.900
because it's already done itself for you It's

00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:24.260
already it's already doing the comments for you.

00:39:24.260 --> 00:39:27.039
People are responding people are talking. It's

00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.239
staying healthy So you don't have to jump in

00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:36.539
So when is? Posting too much You said you you

00:39:36.539 --> 00:39:41.239
post nine or ten times a day When is it too much?

00:39:42.289 --> 00:39:47.429
Or is it ever too much? It's never too much in

00:39:47.429 --> 00:39:49.230
the respect that if you can keep consistently

00:39:49.230 --> 00:39:53.989
doing it Now like I said earlier if you go and

00:39:53.989 --> 00:39:56.329
do nine to ten posts of the day for an entire

00:39:56.329 --> 00:39:58.329
week And then you go three weeks without posting

00:39:58.329 --> 00:40:02.469
anything You might as well have taken all that

00:40:02.469 --> 00:40:05.269
and just spread it out and used it across three

00:40:05.269 --> 00:40:09.230
weeks There's no I mean you can you could post

00:40:09.230 --> 00:40:13.110
30 times a day 40 times a day. I mean it can

00:40:13.110 --> 00:40:18.829
be done, but you have to stay up on it. Personally,

00:40:19.090 --> 00:40:21.710
I'm posting maybe three to four a day, but I'm

00:40:21.710 --> 00:40:24.809
getting about three to four, five, maybe six

00:40:24.809 --> 00:40:26.989
collabs a day. So a lot more is ending up on

00:40:26.989 --> 00:40:30.809
my page that I'm not just doing, but I also have

00:40:30.809 --> 00:40:34.670
a reservoir of pre -made reels. that are all

00:40:34.670 --> 00:40:37.530
set to go, that I can drop in at any time. If

00:40:37.530 --> 00:40:39.130
I notice that, like, all right, I only posted

00:40:39.130 --> 00:40:41.650
twice today. I'll throw another reel in here.

00:40:42.710 --> 00:40:44.409
Because there are days that I just don't have

00:40:44.409 --> 00:40:49.409
time. And I use the edits app from Instagram

00:40:49.409 --> 00:40:51.750
to do all of that stuff. And it's just a list

00:40:51.750 --> 00:40:54.989
of all the videos I've done. I can literally

00:40:54.989 --> 00:40:57.949
take and bring those over, go back and edit some

00:40:57.949 --> 00:41:03.440
music, and change things up if I have to. Let's

00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:12.400
give some beginners a little advice here. If

00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:17.840
Elan Pro is starting out today, which platform

00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:21.960
do you feel like they should try to master first?

00:41:22.659 --> 00:41:26.199
And once they master that platform, should they

00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:32.420
add other platforms to their list? I would say

00:41:32.420 --> 00:41:35.519
master Instagram and Facebook. Those are the

00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:40.619
quick scrolling, easy to catch eye things. TikTok,

00:41:41.500 --> 00:41:44.699
I don't know how, it's for the much younger generation,

00:41:44.900 --> 00:41:47.400
which I don't tend to look at. I'm on there,

00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:49.059
but I don't look a lot. I don't have to spend

00:41:49.059 --> 00:41:51.059
a lot of time there, because it feels like it's

00:41:51.059 --> 00:41:54.019
just overwhelming. But Instagram and Facebook

00:41:54.019 --> 00:41:56.659
doesn't feel as overwhelming. I say focus there.

00:41:56.989 --> 00:41:59.150
Those are the places that if you wanna grow your

00:41:59.150 --> 00:42:00.989
business, work out really well. If you wanna

00:42:00.989 --> 00:42:03.449
grow yourself personally, they work really well.

00:42:04.909 --> 00:42:07.110
Then, if you decide that you wanna start trying

00:42:07.110 --> 00:42:10.349
to make the real money, and you wanna make good

00:42:10.349 --> 00:42:14.070
money, you gotta go to YouTube. That's plain

00:42:14.070 --> 00:42:17.190
and simple, but that's a dedication. That's,

00:42:17.190 --> 00:42:21.650
you know, guys like Phil's and Nathan and all

00:42:21.650 --> 00:42:24.530
these big time, and SB Mowing, they're all doing

00:42:24.530 --> 00:42:27.210
YouTube. That's where they're making their money

00:42:27.210 --> 00:42:31.550
because now they have the time to create a video

00:42:31.550 --> 00:42:34.230
Spend two or three hours editing because that's

00:42:34.230 --> 00:42:37.530
what they do for their work now is create videos

00:42:37.530 --> 00:42:40.889
As a lawn care guys working seven eight ten twelve

00:42:40.889 --> 00:42:43.730
hour days Last thing you want to do is come home

00:42:43.730 --> 00:42:49.250
and create videos So I tell everyone Record as

00:42:49.250 --> 00:42:52.809
much as you can and then pick a day pick a day

00:42:52.809 --> 00:42:56.010
to just create as many videos you can Put them

00:42:56.010 --> 00:42:58.730
into a schedule put them in your drafts and you

00:42:58.730 --> 00:43:00.829
can pull from them all week long and you don't

00:43:00.829 --> 00:43:03.889
have to worry about Creating all new content

00:43:03.889 --> 00:43:08.250
every day Well, you have given us a lot of things

00:43:08.250 --> 00:43:15.150
that we need to be doing As you look at content

00:43:15.150 --> 00:43:19.789
and you watch people's videos What is the one

00:43:19.789 --> 00:43:22.369
thing that you see that people should not be

00:43:22.369 --> 00:43:56.980
doing? Unboxing. As soon as I see someone opening

00:43:56.980 --> 00:44:01.079
a box, I tend to skip. It's just me, just how

00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:03.320
I feel when I'm looking, because I've seen 100

00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:08.320
of them. Unless you do it cool. Like I just saw

00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:11.480
a guy do a pair of Elgin headphones. He lit the

00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.159
box on fire, then opened it up. Okay, something

00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.159
different, something cool, right? Something to

00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:18.380
kind of get your mind into a different spot.

00:44:18.659 --> 00:44:20.179
Like, all right, this is cool unboxing, right?

00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:22.510
It's something different. You know, I have some

00:44:22.510 --> 00:44:26.250
plans for a future unboxing that involves a lot

00:44:26.250 --> 00:44:29.690
of stuff, and I think it's gonna be fun, but

00:44:29.690 --> 00:44:34.750
you know, but just make sure you don't chase

00:44:34.750 --> 00:44:38.010
the trend every single time. That's a big thing.

00:44:38.130 --> 00:44:42.710
Be original, be yourself, and get your face in

00:44:42.710 --> 00:44:45.909
front of the camera. A lot of people make that

00:44:45.909 --> 00:44:49.949
mistake. Oh, I'm camera shy, I don't... It's

00:44:49.949 --> 00:44:52.269
I don't think it works. I think you people want

00:44:52.269 --> 00:44:56.449
to see faces. I Know we're hitting on the 45

00:44:56.449 --> 00:44:59.070
-minute mark here. Oh, you're fine. I'm enjoying

00:44:59.070 --> 00:45:02.409
this Okay, we can talk. I mean I have all night

00:45:02.409 --> 00:45:08.909
to talk Well, what is the single best piece of

00:45:08.909 --> 00:45:12.590
advice That you have for someone trying to grow

00:45:12.590 --> 00:45:18.349
their business through social media Make quality

00:45:18.970 --> 00:45:22.889
content. That's not about volume at that point.

00:45:22.969 --> 00:45:26.610
It's about quality content. Discussing what you're

00:45:26.610 --> 00:45:28.110
doing, especially if you're going to go in and

00:45:28.110 --> 00:45:33.489
do a landscaping job. Maybe an entire yard makeover,

00:45:34.030 --> 00:45:40.590
like new garden beds, new bushes, new walkway

00:45:40.590 --> 00:45:45.429
stuff, and lighting. Take that and make several

00:45:45.429 --> 00:45:48.619
videos of the steps that you went through. explaining

00:45:48.619 --> 00:45:53.679
each step like we went and we priced out rock

00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:58.280
you know and you have them at the at the at the

00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.179
distribution place you know looking at different

00:46:00.179 --> 00:46:03.139
rocks and showing the rocks explaining what is

00:46:03.139 --> 00:46:07.139
different like all right this customer has no

00:46:07.139 --> 00:46:09.900
budget really is an unlimited budget they like

00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:12.780
river rock we found a place that had four inch

00:46:12.780 --> 00:46:15.559
river rock or six inch river rock this is gonna

00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:20.829
look amazing on the property Or, hey, this customer's

00:46:20.829 --> 00:46:22.929
under a budget, here's some of the stuff that

00:46:22.929 --> 00:46:27.210
you could do under a budget. We can go with three

00:46:27.210 --> 00:46:31.650
quarter inch crushed stone. This is a good budget

00:46:31.650 --> 00:46:34.949
friendly thing. And kind of explain your process.

00:46:36.010 --> 00:46:41.570
And that will get you out there with a lot of

00:46:41.570 --> 00:46:44.889
information. And it will help a homeowner to

00:46:44.889 --> 00:46:50.239
make that decision. they're gonna see, you know,

00:46:50.860 --> 00:46:54.280
Joe's Landscape Corporation, you know, multi

00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:57.840
-billion dollar company, right, come in and they

00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.099
have 30 guys that come in, the job's done in

00:47:00.099 --> 00:47:03.659
like 15 minutes, right? But you're just one person,

00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:06.659
it's gonna take you longer. But when you explain

00:47:06.659 --> 00:47:09.579
the processes, people start to understand, all

00:47:09.579 --> 00:47:13.519
right, well, I saw, you know, my next door neighbor

00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.139
have their whole property done in... in less

00:47:16.139 --> 00:47:20.820
than a day, but there's five guys there. I'm

00:47:20.820 --> 00:47:23.320
one guy, it's not gonna take that period of time.

00:47:23.659 --> 00:47:26.539
So you explain the process and what it takes

00:47:26.539 --> 00:47:29.079
to do this. What equipment are you gonna use?

00:47:29.940 --> 00:47:32.699
Are you gonna go rent something? And this is

00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:36.199
good for across the industry. If you decide you're

00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:40.679
gonna do five new beds, are you gonna do it by

00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:43.159
hand? Are you gonna go rent a dingo? Are you

00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:45.820
going to... Are you going to rent a miniax? Are

00:47:45.820 --> 00:47:48.800
you going to run into problems? What about call

00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:52.019
before you dig? All those little things. If you

00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:54.800
discuss that kind of stuff, that's good content

00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.639
and it's good information for people to see and

00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:02.739
see the process. I like it when I look at the

00:48:02.739 --> 00:48:05.179
guys that have been doing it for 20, 30 years

00:48:05.179 --> 00:48:08.860
and they have processes. They have thoughts and

00:48:08.860 --> 00:48:13.679
they like to share them and absorb it. So if

00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:17.199
you put up good quality content, all these young

00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:19.780
kids are going to absorb this. But they're also

00:48:19.780 --> 00:48:21.380
going to be the ones that are going to say, could

00:48:21.380 --> 00:48:25.840
we try this differently? And I think that's where

00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.780
this line's got to start melting back together

00:48:28.780 --> 00:48:32.300
is, hey, the young kids have all these thoughts

00:48:32.300 --> 00:48:35.440
in their heads. They haven't been doing it for

00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:38.159
30 years. They have a thought. Let's embrace

00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:41.429
that thought and try to see if it works. if everyone

00:48:41.429 --> 00:48:45.469
just kind of talks about things and Be friendly

00:48:45.469 --> 00:48:48.130
with each other, you know, it's a big thing that

00:48:48.130 --> 00:48:51.389
I have been pushing for the last two years is

00:48:51.389 --> 00:48:54.210
Shake the hand of the landscaper that's on the

00:48:54.210 --> 00:48:57.750
same street as you right now It's it's a duck.

00:48:57.849 --> 00:49:01.690
It's it's so silly to say that but people are

00:49:01.690 --> 00:49:05.250
in such competition with each other they're causing

00:49:05.250 --> 00:49:08.989
more problems because if You are on the same

00:49:08.989 --> 00:49:11.530
street as another landscaper. You walk up, shake

00:49:11.530 --> 00:49:15.150
his hand, say, hey, my name is Chris. I would

00:49:15.150 --> 00:49:18.829
love to talk. Can we have a coffee one day? We

00:49:18.829 --> 00:49:23.349
can sit back and talk about things. Or, hey,

00:49:23.650 --> 00:49:25.530
can we just talk on the truck? Because I got

00:49:25.530 --> 00:49:28.510
an idea. Now, you're working the same street

00:49:28.510 --> 00:49:32.630
as I am. We're about the same price. You say

00:49:32.630 --> 00:49:34.969
you're 60 bucks a lawn, I'm 60 bucks a lawn.

00:49:36.269 --> 00:49:38.230
Let's have a discussion. When we have to raise

00:49:38.230 --> 00:49:41.989
prices, we raise them together. So we both go

00:49:41.989 --> 00:49:45.969
up to $70 or $75. Because at that point, you

00:49:45.969 --> 00:49:51.909
literally, you make your competition disappear,

00:49:52.170 --> 00:49:56.469
and you become peers. That's good. Because you're

00:49:56.469 --> 00:50:00.389
not knocking someone. So if. I don't raise my

00:50:00.389 --> 00:50:02.789
price and the next guy raises his price. I'm

00:50:02.789 --> 00:50:04.670
gonna get more jobs because everyone's gonna

00:50:04.670 --> 00:50:06.710
say, well, Chris is 60 bucks and this guy is

00:50:06.710 --> 00:50:11.530
75, just go to Chris. Now, I'll be overloaded,

00:50:11.650 --> 00:50:13.610
I won't be able to handle them all, and I won't

00:50:13.610 --> 00:50:18.150
succeed. But if we go up together to $75, no

00:50:18.150 --> 00:50:20.949
one's pushing anyone out of the realm of that

00:50:20.949 --> 00:50:25.010
area, and everyone wins. And now you have this

00:50:25.010 --> 00:50:27.760
nice relationship. God forbid you dump a frickin

00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:32.780
mower into a ditch. You got someone you can call

00:50:32.780 --> 00:50:36.460
and go over and help rescue you. Or God forbid

00:50:36.460 --> 00:50:40.039
you run out of 50 to 1. Something that happens

00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:42.019
very often, because you don't think about it,

00:50:42.699 --> 00:50:44.400
you fill in your gas tanks up and you're like,

00:50:44.420 --> 00:50:46.280
oh, wait a minute, I didn't fill up 50 to 1.

00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:51.000
Or I don't have oil. And hey, but can I grab

00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.400
a tank full so I can just finish this yard? And

00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:56.000
when I leave and I go to the gas station, I'll

00:50:56.030 --> 00:50:59.730
I'll refill up. And those are the little interactions

00:50:59.730 --> 00:51:04.389
that will save each other. There's a couple guys

00:51:04.389 --> 00:51:06.789
down in Florida that started getting together

00:51:06.789 --> 00:51:11.090
once a month and talk about the industry. And

00:51:11.090 --> 00:51:13.570
some guys are like, hey, you're driving 20 miles

00:51:13.570 --> 00:51:16.590
out of your way. I'm driving 20 miles out of

00:51:16.590 --> 00:51:19.530
my way. Let's swap customers. Let's keep you

00:51:19.530 --> 00:51:24.949
guys closer. And just building that and having

00:51:25.340 --> 00:51:28.119
Instagram or Facebook or TikTok or anything like

00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:31.480
that and if everyone kind of interacts with each

00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:34.639
other and Likes their stuff and pushes their

00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:38.199
stuff out It grows everyone together and you

00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:42.380
get that community back no more fighting and

00:51:42.380 --> 00:51:45.579
I know I'm kind of rambling, but it's kind of

00:51:45.579 --> 00:51:49.960
like it's weird But I have these levels in my

00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.019
head when I think about landscapers you have

00:51:52.019 --> 00:51:55.239
the truck in the truck you have the weekend warrior,

00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:58.880
and then you have the good guy, the real, you

00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:02.840
know, good guy. Then you have the elite. There's

00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:06.480
room for everybody. But every one of those has

00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:10.400
to associate with another one. So if you're an

00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:14.219
elite, you better have a weekend warrior. Because

00:52:14.219 --> 00:52:16.480
if you don't want to take a lawn, you feed it

00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:19.980
to that weekend warrior. You know, the good guy

00:52:19.980 --> 00:52:22.380
is now feeding to the weekend warrior and the

00:52:22.380 --> 00:52:26.539
truck in the truck. Now we all we all have areas

00:52:26.539 --> 00:52:30.559
that people rent and They're required to take

00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:33.199
care of the lawn They're not gonna pay a guy

00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:35.159
80 bucks cut the lawn. They're gonna hire the

00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:38.960
guy for 20 bucks just to make it short But associate

00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:41.179
with those people and you feed off each other

00:52:41.179 --> 00:52:43.179
because the chuck of the truck guy will not be

00:52:43.179 --> 00:52:45.519
able to handle a high -end lawn because He won't

00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:48.539
have the equipment But if you feed him the ones

00:52:48.539 --> 00:52:51.579
that people that don't really care about the

00:52:51.579 --> 00:52:55.460
quality just want to cut He wins and he's gonna

00:52:55.460 --> 00:52:57.860
pass the good stuff on see on to the higher end

00:52:57.860 --> 00:53:02.599
guy and everyone wins That's good all comes this

00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:06.159
is all we we're all here to do one thing Make

00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:09.099
some money feed our family and put a roof over

00:53:09.099 --> 00:53:11.860
our heads. That's good. And if we can all work

00:53:11.860 --> 00:53:15.639
together to do it It's good. I hear this all

00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:16.920
the chuck -in -the -truck the chuck -in -the

00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.239
-truck. I'm like they have a place at one point

00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:24.900
when we all check in the truck At one point when

00:53:24.900 --> 00:53:28.920
we started, I was, because I was clueless on

00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:32.900
how to run a business. I was clueless on what

00:53:32.900 --> 00:53:38.059
to charge. I was guessing. It didn't take me

00:53:38.059 --> 00:53:39.860
long to figure out, you know, I'm not making

00:53:39.860 --> 00:53:43.340
any money on this job. So I started raising my

00:53:43.340 --> 00:53:47.519
prices. It didn't take me long to realize if

00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:52.099
I'm running 30 minutes to do a job, And then

00:53:52.099 --> 00:53:56.619
another 35, 40 minutes to do the next job. I've

00:53:56.619 --> 00:53:59.639
got too much windshield time. So I tightened

00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:03.280
up my route. I began to practice route density.

00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:07.980
Now I've got one street I pull up on. I mow seven

00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:12.039
right in a row. And all seven of them take me

00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:15.079
about an hour and 15 minutes. But in that hour

00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:20.090
and 15 minutes, I bring in almost $500. And that's

00:54:20.090 --> 00:54:24.989
the way it's gotta be. It's just this, think

00:54:24.989 --> 00:54:27.289
about everything intelligently and you start

00:54:27.289 --> 00:54:32.110
working your magic. And I had this, like I said,

00:54:32.289 --> 00:54:34.050
this morning I had a three hour discussion with

00:54:34.050 --> 00:54:36.110
a gentleman that was asking almost all the same

00:54:36.110 --> 00:54:39.829
questions. And I had told him some really interesting

00:54:39.829 --> 00:54:43.510
stuff and he was really impressed by the knowledge

00:54:43.510 --> 00:54:46.480
that I was giving him. And I said, but it's just

00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:49.719
my marketing mind. I do marketing, I do the social

00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:53.440
media for a high -end instrument company. I see

00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:59.179
this. And you know Tom from Oxford Lawn, right?

00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:02.559
Yes. So you know those sandwich boards that he

00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.619
uses now? He has on the ends of the truck? That

00:55:05.619 --> 00:55:08.659
was January's discussion. Him and I were on the

00:55:08.659 --> 00:55:12.559
phone for an hour. He was like, how do I advertise

00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:16.019
more to get more business? And I said, do you

00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:18.719
use cones? He's like, yeah. I said, how about

00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:21.059
making sandwich boards instead? Put all your

00:55:21.059 --> 00:55:24.059
information on one side, you know, what you do,

00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:26.880
your QR code, your phone number on one side.

00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:28.659
Then on the other side, you're going to put,

00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:31.139
just in case you missed it, the number and a

00:55:31.139 --> 00:55:35.199
QR code. That's it. So now as people drive by,

00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:37.300
they see the first sign, they kind of get an

00:55:37.300 --> 00:55:39.860
idea of what he's got. And then by time they

00:55:39.860 --> 00:55:43.079
get down another, you know, 45, 50 feet after

00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.320
the end of the trailer. They now have another

00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:48.099
sign that says, just in case you missed it, here's

00:55:48.099 --> 00:55:50.559
our information again. Real quick, and you can

00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:54.840
snap it. And he said it's done wonders. And it's

00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:59.940
a simple thing. It was $250, but now he's advertising

00:55:59.940 --> 00:56:03.019
his business on the street, on the corner of

00:56:03.019 --> 00:56:06.260
his truck, and using it for safety. All in the

00:56:06.260 --> 00:56:10.619
same thing. Awesome. You spend $55 on a traffic

00:56:10.619 --> 00:56:14.780
cone. that doesn't advertise anything. Right.

00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:23.300
Well, in my city of 17 ,500 people, I don't have

00:56:23.300 --> 00:56:28.800
one lawn care company that I look at as a competitor.

00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:33.320
I look at them as friends. Because on a rain

00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:35.840
day, we all meet at a little restaurant here

00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:39.909
in town. It's called Parks. and we'll sit around

00:56:39.909 --> 00:56:43.329
a table and we'll just talk business. What are

00:56:43.329 --> 00:56:47.090
you doing to market your business? What are you

00:56:47.090 --> 00:56:51.050
doing to scale and go to the next level? What

00:56:51.050 --> 00:56:53.829
aren't you doing that maybe you should do? Or

00:56:53.829 --> 00:56:57.070
what are you doing that you shouldn't do? And

00:56:57.070 --> 00:57:01.500
we just bounce ideals off of people. off of each

00:57:01.500 --> 00:57:04.860
other and we learn from each other. And I think

00:57:04.860 --> 00:57:07.539
it is so important. You hit the nail right on

00:57:07.539 --> 00:57:12.099
the head. Everyone is not your competitor or

00:57:12.099 --> 00:57:17.019
your enemy. We're in the green industry. We're

00:57:17.019 --> 00:57:20.599
all a part of this community. We better get along.

00:57:21.460 --> 00:57:24.960
Because there was one of those times when I slid

00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:28.980
down into a steep hill and a guy drove by pulling

00:57:28.980 --> 00:57:33.469
his Trailer and I seen him hit his brakes and

00:57:33.469 --> 00:57:36.690
he looked at me And he knew it was me. He went

00:57:36.690 --> 00:57:41.570
up turned around came back unloaded a mower Got

00:57:41.570 --> 00:57:44.750
a tow strap out and pulled me out of the ditch

00:57:44.750 --> 00:57:48.210
or I would have had to call a tow truck Now had

00:57:48.210 --> 00:57:51.829
I been that guy's enemy or I was running down

00:57:51.829 --> 00:57:55.630
his business He'd have kept right on going and

00:57:55.630 --> 00:57:57.909
I'd have been stuck and I would have been out

00:57:57.949 --> 00:58:03.929
the price of a tow truck. But because I treat

00:58:03.929 --> 00:58:08.829
them as friends, you know, and I would do the

00:58:08.829 --> 00:58:11.409
same, and I have done the same thing for other

00:58:11.409 --> 00:58:15.070
guys. Because, you know, I can't do every yard

00:58:15.070 --> 00:58:20.710
in Newcastle. The ones I can do, I can make them

00:58:20.710 --> 00:58:25.389
look the best that I can. And I can give my customers...

00:58:25.369 --> 00:58:29.090
a quality job and they can know that they're

00:58:29.090 --> 00:58:33.130
spending their money wisely when they hire professional

00:58:33.130 --> 00:58:37.349
lawn maintenance to do their job. So it is so

00:58:37.349 --> 00:58:41.289
important and I appreciate that information you

00:58:41.289 --> 00:58:44.130
just shared with us. As a matter of fact, all

00:58:44.130 --> 00:58:47.909
of this has been so good. You've been a great

00:58:47.909 --> 00:58:52.309
guest. You have given our listeners a lot of

00:58:52.309 --> 00:58:55.829
information. that will help them grow their business,

00:58:56.409 --> 00:59:00.150
help them grow their social media, and help them

00:59:00.150 --> 00:59:03.090
level up. And that's what we're all here to do,

00:59:03.170 --> 00:59:07.630
is help each other level up, grow, and be successful.

00:59:08.170 --> 00:59:11.409
Because when you win as someone in the green

00:59:11.409 --> 00:59:15.730
industry, I win. That's the way I look at it.

00:59:16.010 --> 00:59:20.769
If I lose, somebody else loses too, because we're

00:59:20.769 --> 00:59:24.159
all tied together. And that's one thing I love

00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:27.260
when I went to Equip Expo the first time and

00:59:27.260 --> 00:59:30.880
I walked into that massive showroom floor and

00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:35.780
seen all of those booths. I was overwhelmed by

00:59:35.780 --> 00:59:41.780
it until I realized I'm in a community. These

00:59:41.780 --> 00:59:45.300
are people that do exactly what I do. So I started

00:59:45.300 --> 00:59:47.500
walking up to people, introducing myself, shaking

00:59:47.500 --> 00:59:51.929
hands, taking pictures. And now... People are

00:59:51.929 --> 00:59:55.190
coming up to me, shaking my hand, wanting to

00:59:55.190 --> 00:59:57.909
take a picture with me, asking me for advice.

00:59:58.590 --> 01:00:03.050
So, you know, you will get out of the industry

01:00:03.050 --> 01:00:06.570
exactly what you put into the industry. Nothing

01:00:06.570 --> 01:00:12.010
more, nothing less. But Chris, I really appreciate

01:00:12.010 --> 01:00:14.750
you dropping so much valuable information to

01:00:14.750 --> 01:00:18.690
us tonight. And I'm an open book, so if someone

01:00:18.690 --> 01:00:21.789
needs to ask me a question, they can... DM me

01:00:21.789 --> 01:00:25.550
and I'll talk it through with them. You know,

01:00:25.789 --> 01:00:28.949
all my advice is not perfect, but sometimes I

01:00:28.949 --> 01:00:32.289
can light a spark somewhere. Well, you have given

01:00:32.289 --> 01:00:36.829
me a lot of ideas for my page and I'm going to

01:00:36.829 --> 01:00:41.130
try it. I think if you want, if you want to do

01:00:41.130 --> 01:00:42.750
a couple of collabs, throw them on, just throw

01:00:42.750 --> 01:00:44.849
my name on there. I'll accept every single one

01:00:44.849 --> 01:00:47.639
of them. I do not. And that was one of those

01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:49.820
things that someone asked me like, will you accept

01:00:49.820 --> 01:00:52.619
everything? I'm like, as long as it's yard care

01:00:52.619 --> 01:00:58.300
related, I accept it. I will do that. To everyone

01:00:58.300 --> 01:01:01.219
listening, if you're not using social media to

01:01:01.219 --> 01:01:05.760
grow your business, now is the time. Your customers

01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:14.440
are online. Your competitors or your co -companies

01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:20.659
in your cities. are online people who know how

01:01:20.659 --> 01:01:25.000
to tell their story are the ones winning so if

01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:29.119
you can master learning how to tell your story

01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:33.659
you can win you can grow your social media you

01:01:33.659 --> 01:01:36.699
can grow your business and you can be successful

01:01:36.699 --> 01:01:40.380
if you enjoyed this episode share with a lawn

01:01:40.380 --> 01:01:44.940
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01:01:44.940 --> 01:01:50.179
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01:01:50.179 --> 01:01:55.699
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01:01:55.699 --> 01:01:58.960
him. He'll respond. If you have a question, he

01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:01.800
can help you. So I encourage you to do that.

01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:05.420
And this is the Lawn Hustle Podcast where we

01:02:05.420 --> 01:02:10.000
help you work smarter, grow faster, and hustle

01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.869
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